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Hey, everyone, and welcome back to a proportional response podcast. I'm Sharon Walker, and today my guest is Yannick Volter. I met Yannick through university and became almost immediately captivated by how funny and honest he is. I'm sure you'll develop the same reaction from listening to our conversation, which starts off with me asking about an entertainer's quality he possesses. In particular, we mentioned the difference between having confidence online as opposed to interpersonally.

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Yeah, I would agree. I would say if it's something I put on social media because it's so controlled. Yeah, I usually am way more confident about doing it. And especially if it's me behind the camera, rather in front, I'm even more confident about it.

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We then go on to chat about his course and film studies and art history, including why he chose to study it on the creative layers the many fail to notice despite the democratizing nature of film.

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Right after I finished school and I was kind of looking for what to do with my life, that's when I realized why not do the thing that I always love? Yeah, yeah. I just try to go for it and then it's like, OK, but obviously in English, since that's the language that is so connected to now, this was a really fun episode to record.

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And as I mentioned at the end, I love doing these episodes where I find out more about people who I know less well. So here's our conversation.

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OK, I'm here with Janik. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. What happened to you when you're walking home? You want to tell a little anecdote to start the podcast? Yeah, well, I thought it would be fun. Icebreaker. Yeah. From work, as I said already, because, you know, this winter I was listening to music. Yeah. And then this guy comes right, right in front of my house, comes up to me.

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Yeah. It's like, oh dude, I think I think you lost your shoe. And I was like, well like I'm wearing both of my shoes, you know, I saw it happen. And he, like, kept trying to, like, push the car to show me. And I was like, it's like I go like, yeah, no, no, no. And I was like, no, no. Like, I didn't lose my job.

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Yeah, yeah. But you no. You're just going to say what a lovely name. Yeah. The and I was like, what is happening. And I said to you, I want you. I saw it happen. And then I thought like oh like maybe I dropped. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Makes sense. But I was like, oh maybe I dropped like something out of my bag and he thinks it's a shoe that make any sense.

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But then I went, oh no. Are you really surprised you're still here? He's like, look, there it is. It's like nothing on the floor. And like, what do you mean? I'm like standing there, like right down.

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Like, I'm like, I'm so ready to fight or run away or something and say, oh, honestly, I think I might be just too much on drugs right now. I'm like, yeah, I think like to say, well that's that's a bizarre story. Yeah. But it kind of fits in with the theme starting of this. So questions with, um, is that you are a bit of a entertainer or I've noticed from knowing you through Frisbee.

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Yeah. So I should say we know each other through university, through playing ultimate Frisbee together. Um but we've been on like many trips together and obviously trains together. And from this I've kind of noticed this characteristic about you that you're very you're very good at being an entertainer and you're hilarious on like your Instagram. I don't what's your, like, name on Instagram? I mean, I keep changing it, but I think it's not funny. Yeah.

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Yeah. So anyone who everyone needs to go give them a phone because it's so funny and you're on YouTube as well and you do like little talks and stuff like that. No, no. I'll cut that out. But no, you have this great charisma about you. And even in training, like I mentioned, these social social platforms you use, but even in training and you're so into personal conversations that we have and you have with other people, it's obvious that you have this sort of characteristic qualities about you.

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So was this is this something that you've always noticed about yourself, that you have some of this entertainers? So Spark?

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I mean, so you say that. Yeah, I know that. I'm trying to be entertaining. Yeah. But I don't feel like I'm ever since I feel like I'm okay every time I walk away from from a group like. Oh yeah. From a group or something, I always feel like, oh they're probably so happy that I'm gone because I'm the only one that tries to be funny on. OK, so I don't, I don't know, like I do, you know, I do try to entertain or but I feel like maybe it's more wanting to create something if we're talking about social media, maybe more something to the wish to create something rather like the entertaining comes with it I guess.

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Oh, OK. I don't, I don't I know which came first there as if it's like. Wanting to be funny, so it's going out of a creativity and then also able to entertain people, and that's a good byproduct.

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Yeah, yeah. But then at the same time, it's like when when I when I do something, I want to do something that isn't funny. And I'm like, oh, well, people even care. Yeah. So it's like this like two way relationship. OK, well like that's quite interesting because it's kind of antithetical. We're like opposite to think that you have to be sort of inherently confident to have this sort of entertainer's persona. So I would look at you, for example, and I'd say this guy who's confidence like this guy is loves like like he's so good at what he does and he's so funny.

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They must know this. And that's why he's putting out there, because he's confident. So it's kind of interesting that you say it's maybe slightly different was when you put your stuff on the line as to whether you like doing it in person. Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I would say if it's something I put on social media because it's so controlled. Yeah. I usually am way more confident about doing it. And especially if it's me behind the camera rather in front, I'm even more confident about it.

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But if it's a social situation like my my number one like biggest thing that drives like anxiety or a heartbeat. Yes. Walking into a party for somebody like knowing that people will look at you OK. And kinda expect you to walk in and be like the guy. Yeah. Like I have a zinger or something like that. When you go to the party, everybody's looking at you and you're supposed to do maybe not like that sort of entertainers. So tag that.

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You have to find pressure around it now that people. So knowing how they treat you. Well, I feel like you do and I feel like other people recognize you for how funny and some of what you are. Yeah.

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I guess I guess when we're talking about social media, I definitely definitely feel like people think or they I've been told that man several stories are kind of funny. Yeah. Yeah. But also some of the pressure off. If I want to do something on Instagram, I'm like, is it even funny enough to share. OK, so that kind of limits me, which is why I started the ticktock thing, because I think Tig is really weird and stupid.

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Yeah, it's a platform so I don't care enough about it to limit myself there. So I just put whatever I want there, OK, because I'm actually kind of serious, even if it doesn't seem that way. I'm serious about like what I put on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's still the stupid jokes, but I overthink them a lot because as a lot planning into the jokes. Yeah. Yeah. Well they are really funny but it's still kind of funny in a way.

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Like I have a friend for example, and they are like amazing at singing and playing the guitar. Like I've seen them perform a couple of times, like just around Aberdeen. So doing gigs. And they're like, she's really amazing and what she does and she has like she puts up videos of her singing on Instagram. But then when she does perform live, she seems like super nervous and she like is very modest and sort of self-doubt about how good she is when it's clear that she knows that she's very good at what she does, just from the fact that she puts it out on Instagram and put it on YouTube, for example.

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So connecting it to you almost. Is it easier to hide behind the sort of social media in a way, because you've already said it's more controlled. So maybe in a way you can sort of guard yourself from money so negative for like you may make a mistake, but you can edit that out on YouTube or Instagram and start again. Whereas when it's like an interpersonal sort of conversations, there's more pressure there.

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Yeah, there's more pressure and there's more pressure to be funny on the spot. You have a quick response and especially if you are speaking in a second language. Yeah, I remember when I started working at my last place and this was second year. So, you know, I did speak English fluently. But there's still the difference between speaking English with international students, speaking English with with a Scottish staff. I felt completely unfunny because they were like throwing banter back and forth and I couldn't keep up with.

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Yeah, but then when when when I make, like, a funny video or whatever, I have so much time to think about it. OK, and then it's like that thing where like three days later in the you think of a funny yes or something, but but if it's social media, you have those three days you can just kind of ah if you like, someone makes like a joke about you and then like half an hour. Yeah.

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Oh really amazing comeback. Yeah exactly. So, so that's then I would say maybe the once in a while I do these, these Q&A. Yes. Run. And I think this is like, this is like pushing it towards the more immediate response because yeah. Even if you, if you let yourself time you only. Have roughly 24 hours to respond to something, so I think that's that's like pushing a bit challenging myself. Yeah, I think that's quite a quite a common thing with more creative.

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Yeah. That, for example, like Frank Ocean I really love. Yeah. He's a really great musician. He just is amazing albums. But then he barely ever shows his face in public and goes on tours or anything. And you would think that someone who is so good at playing music wouldn't be like afraid of going on stage. Yeah. He, he has like three concerts a year, like, you know or something. Yeah. I think that's maybe maybe the connection between being being introverted and then wanting to be an extrovert for a second I guess.

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Yeah that's interesting. Yes. It's still kind of funny to me because I mean in a way it's similar to what I'm doing with the podcast is that like people say to me, like it's so brave that you do this and it's like it's it's I kind of sort of detach myself from it. Like whenever I'm recording this, I feel like I'm just having a conversation with you. I don't really feel like I'm not thinking about like, oh, that person might think that's when when they hear or I tend to sort of try and block myself from people's reactions to when they listen to it.

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I was thinking about that. When I listen to, I think your last episode. Yeah. Then we said that you had a crush on the girl. Oh, yeah, I know. And I was like, oh, that's great. You got there. Yeah. I mean, I don't really speak to her. And she, she was very nice. I'm sure she didn't mind but yeah it is. Yes. For example, I didn't like I'd never really think of her either and listening to it, although she might it's it's yeah.

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I tend to sort of block myself from those reactions. So in a sense what's the YouTube like? For example, I've seen you check in like replies in like demographics of like you're like different posts. Is it something that you pay a lot of attention to that sort of the likes and subscribers and like keeping up with like how well the video does compared to another one, for example? Yeah, I want to I want to say on it's just about the creation.

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Yeah. But I do really care that. Yeah. That, that people see it. I don't what I don't do is do something that I think is bad. If I know it will get me more. Oh yeah. So I'll put a quality quality in very quick product that you like. Yeah. Yeah. Something that I think is worth watching. Yeah. So I don't like make something worse just to get more views. But when I put something out I still want it to reach as many people as possible because I do believe.

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Yeah. Like I check the like how many people are listening to each episode of the podcast. Like I put it up, I think it's natural to want to see stuff do well. But then there's a case of well you can sort of like get your head really into and think, well what was good about that one, better about that, maybe made it like more listened to then a different one.

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Like, do you tend to get down that sort of rabbit hole? Yeah, I'm going that way. And if so, how do you get out of that.

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It is really difficult, especially then there's there's like a few beers on my YouTube channel that I think are maybe the best thing I've ever done. I have 21 views or something compared to some other videos that I kind of more threw out there. And they have like 5000 views and that makes me like them slightly less exam, or at least it brings the sort of a negative vibe again. And then at the same time, I have to remind myself that, OK, but just because they weren't watched by that many people, I'm still so happy with them.

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I just wish they reached more people. Yeah, yeah. But that's so random. Like, I had videos that they go like a hundred views in two years and then out of nowhere they showed up and they're like thousands of views. Yeah. A few months. So I think it's kind of you have to detach yourself from that. But it is really difficult to do because it's right there. It's so in-your-face to the views and there's like apps that track them.

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So to not look at them and hear this one, because, for example, the music video still gets it doesn't get that many views anymore. It gets like twenty in every second.

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Yeah, but but another video that I did about my brother, it gets like a hundred every 48 hours, does it. And I'm like, who is still watching? And it's still like whenever it reaches a milestone I still like refreshing. It is hoping it gets that quicker for no reason. It doesn't change anything about the video. Yeah.

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It's, it's weird how that works, but it's like it's still, you know, like, it's like does it bother you that people are still watching this video you made ages ago? Yes. Just yeah. Yeah. I would say just to kind of set myself there and not seem like a narcissist. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do. I do. I do. Obviously, more about the actual reactions I get than the views that just kind of a side thing, but like the people and the people who come up to me for the music or I had a comment under under the video about my brother with somebody was like, oh, I think a friend of mine killed himself or something.

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I'm so sad. But this video made me smile. I was like, oh, OK. This is like, yeah, yeah. This is really intense.

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Yeah. To try and relate to something I can so relate to is the podcast. Again, when people like messaged me saying like, oh this thing, this is like the best one yet or like I'm like oh I listen to this. And I thought it was really good and it really doesn't make your day or even this guy. So I work back and on a Sunday I work in the village that I grew up in, in the supermarket. And there was a guy that I like played football with now and again.

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I'm like my interpretation of him was always been of like, I love sort of God and like kind of cool. And like he was always like the prankster and playing football, you can imagine so character. But then I was like just having sort of like small talk because I as he went through the aisle and said hi to me and he was like, oh, by the way, I listen to your podcast now, super know. He's like, oh, I'll try and listen to some more than when I was like, I couldn't stop smiling for ages because I was like, oh, I was so unexpected that this guy was like, listen to me.

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But yeah, it was it was super nice and I'm sure well, I've told you, but I like your video. So I'm like, yeah, it's nice when you get those sort of like actual people coming up to you and just especially with the ones that you don't expect.

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Yeah, like it was like people that you don't talk to that often or, you know, online strangers on my I don't know. And they're like this video. Yeah. It's even great example you said because like, it's completely someone that you would never like be able to influence their behavior at all. Yeah. And you somehow touch them with this piece of creativity. Yeah. But it's nice that way.

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It is really cool. Yeah. Like that. That's what I was trying to say, is to like make myself seem a bit better like those reaction. They mean a lot more. Yeah. Yeah, yes. Because that's like something that. Yeah. Keeps you smiling throughout the day. Yeah. I think checking the views is more like a little face when you haven't gotten.

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Yeah yeah. Yeah. I mean sometimes yeah. I don't think it sounds narcissistic at all but like I understand why I feel like I can. Yeah.

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But I think it is normal to want to see something you may do. Well yeah. And always compare because we live in sort of a compact culture where I like someone's always got like something that you want to do and like you've got something wrong. So I think it's natural that that sort of happens. Um, but yeah. Was it did you always like do this sort of stuff at school, like for you, like when you were growing up at school, did you do like school shows.

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Did you like to like were you like a school, a class clown or something like we always sort of seeking the limelight or was this just something you sort of stumbled upon as you got older?

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I'm like, this is more difficult on something that there are examples of me trying out these things, but it usually didn't feel like being on stage. I didn't feel comfortable with or that much at least I think the the trying to be. Funny thing, if I had to like psycho analyze myself, I would say came from because I remember I was I was really, really small. I'm still not tall, but I was very small. I had a really high pitched voice.

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And I was generally like across the board, you know, like left or you know. Yeah, yeah. Famous person, but generally, like by most people. But then a few of the cooler kids started, like, picking on me, you know, and and it was never bullying. But, you know, it's a slippery slope, you know, making fun of your expense to, you know, not making fun of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I realized that when I made a joke about myself that they instead of, you know, continuing the I thought it was funny, man, you're so funny. Oh, when I made a joke about how small I am old I had the smallest. Yeah. And I think that's maybe where it came from that I always like have this kind of need to just I don't take anything serious, I just make a joke. Oh OK. So it's more of a used as a defense mechanism to of like stay away like from people to like if they were making fun of you it was easier to for you to do so.

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Self-deprecating humor. I would like make them stop. I was like I think like a lot of people go through a maybe not like obviously the different stages, like you could have had it much worse than other people. But yeah, I think that probably is I feel like a lot of comedians are just like kids. I was like so bullied at school and we just they would sort of like make fun of themselves because like when I was at school, I was.

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I felt like the people that were picked on the most were the people the like couldn't do what you did. And so, like, we're unable to, like, solve because like once you the people are almost making fun of you are wanting. When you turn more right, they get less out of. So making fun of you, you're doing it with them. And my guess was that they even felt a sort of respect for that.

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He oh, he is making jokes about himself. He's so cool. Yeah. I find he is actually way more fun than we thought. Yeah. He's I thought he was just a small guy, but he's actually so much more, he has so much banter and I think in comparison because then it never it really quickly stopped once I discovered that. Yeah. And I was just back to being just kind of like but yeah, there are some other kids in the class that Yeah.

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Like you said, couldn't, couldn't do it. And for them it just kept being worse and worse because if everybody realizes you don't have anything to offer back for them, even if it's pushing back or if it's going well. Yeah, yeah. I'm taking the jump again from doing it. Yeah. OK. Oh I didn't know that. That's so interesting because I like I would never picture that about you, which is so like, like we all have like when we meet people we always like construct these narratives.

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I will think about them like I always think of you as being super confident and funny and why you are so funny. Like, but it's like it's always interesting to hear like the stories behind why you think like these things from like I would never guess I was born out of like as, like a defense mechanism sort of thing. So it's always that's why I really like people like this. Um, we'll move on slightly to your degree, which is film studies.

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Right. And art history and art history. OK, let's focus on. OK, OK.

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Um, and you said the you said to me before when we've been chatting for them, you learned English through watching TV shows. So was this someone something that someone suggested to you or is it something you just stumbled across this technique of learning English? Because we should say you're German, so I just say you're from Germany. So when you were learning English, was this something that someone suggested to you or was it something you just stumbled across as an effective way of learning English?

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As I was, I was about to fail English class in ninth grade. Oh, that was really bad. Yeah, I remember the very first English lesson in fifth grade. By then the teacher said, OK, okay. Remember he told you in first grade.

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OK, yeah. And something like, oh, remember to to learn that he she is asking. Yeah.

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I was just like, well this is what I miss, I already missed OK. And I just didn't start off right. And just kept getting worse and it just spiraled. Yeah. So we have six grades in Germany. OK, yeah. Great. Yeah. And you're failing if you have a five or six. OK, so one is the best, six is the worst. OK, and I was at a four minus just holding the bag.

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Yeah.

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And then my teacher at the parent teacher meeting thing she will say yeah, yeah. I was really failing you. Have you tried watching any TV shows.

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Oh OK. That you like in English and then put on English subtitles. And I was like no I haven't tried that. So I watched because I had seen the first season of High that your mother was just kind of playing you because I don't think it's that great of a show. But, you know, back then, yes, it's like an easy show. Yeah, exactly. And I had that DVD from a friends and have watched it a million.

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Yeah. Netflix also I don't think was that big of a thing. All I didn't and I didn't have a TV, OK, so I had watched this a million times. I could basically say what they're saying and in already. OK, so then when I switched to English with English subtitles, it was so easy to say, Oh, this is great. And there were way more jokes in the show because of the translation. So many jokes get lost.

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Oh, I was like, oh, this is so cool. Let me buy the second season. I mean, it's just all put it on. I didn't understand. Why are they talking so fast? Yeah, I couldn't keep up. And then halfway through the third season something like clicked OK. And from then onwards like my brain picked up so quickly. And I think once you push through that initial language barrier, like watching a film or show with English subtitles, it's just the quickest way of learning a language.

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Yeah, because you read it, you hear it and you have the interest and the context. You don't know a word. You pick it up by context. You keep in like learning vocabulary. So borings. Yeah, your brain is going to try hard if you have so many different, different stimuli. By the sound you see, that makes it seem exactly like these so so you pick up different things from different clues. It just keeps going quicker and creates like an avalanche effect thing.

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OK, nice, because I actually saw sort of tried it. It's kind of annoying that you've said this because I was stuck with it now, but I got so I love the program called The West Wing. And when I was in France once we were in like, I can't remember why, but we went into like a team, like a shop that sounds like films and TV shows. And we found The West Wing in French. So we bought it with, like, the intention, like because I can probably quote the show off so many times that like, oh, the easier because like, I kind of know the context, like you're saying, and I could sort of work out.

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But in the program they speak so fast and like I don't think I did the subtitles as well. That was so much funnier idea. So I maybe should have just stuck with it because I just gave up. I was like, you know, this is what you're going to like. This has nothing at all. I think one of the differences between your situation and mine there is that you were taking something that was originally in one language, OK, and getting this idea.

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Oh, OK. Yeah. So you were losing something in the process and mine. I just realized there were more jokes that just go OK. I didn't like films back then that much. I was interested in films, but I never really like to watch them that much. Yeah.

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Because I kind of felt like they were talking so weirdly and I just kind of felt as if it felt like an alternate reality. And when I was watching this, I realized, oh, it's just because the translation to German is and isn't perfect. So they talk a really it's like a sort of older version of German often to make the sentences fit because you have to. Yeah. I mean language is. Yeah. Kind of longer typically. So you have to cram it and they just kind of speak weird.

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And that's why I didn't like it as much as you know, I still watch yesterday. I just didn't have that same passion for it that I have now. Yeah. Because there's so much more there. So it needs to be like a French show. Yeah. Yeah. And I would watch in French with the French sometimes, you know, that would probably make a difference. That's what I might try that because I would like to learn a language, but I can just like I never just keep going with it.

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And there's also so many good French movies. Yeah. Like French cinema, French New Wave or something. I've kind of been watching that. They had a big part in film. OK, I'll get some recommendations from you. So was this like you just briefly said that you weren't that big into TV shows? I was going to say, was this maybe an inspiration behind going into doing film studies? Because you told learn the language and using that and using TV and sort of film that maybe it was then a connection of that to go and study it in English, but maybe that wasn't part of your thinking was maybe just so so I had I would say I already had an interest in film.

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I had this book that like showed how movies are made of scenes and always loved that. And yeah, I like watching, you know, films and I was really interested in that. But I kind of slowly lost that. I was like maybe for school, OK, so I was more just watching YouTube videos and stuff like that. Yeah. And then when I when I had that experience and I started watching the stuff in English, that's when I kind of relived that fashion for, for four films.

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And I think that's when I like really one quickly. So I think right after I finished school and I was kind of looking for what to do with my life, that's when I realized why not do the thing that I always loved. Yeah, yeah. I just try to go for it and then it's like, OK, but obviously in English, since that's the language that is so connected to now. Yeah. After having experienced films in Jamaica and English, I just kind of are always connected.

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Oh OK. So it was more because of you wanting to study film that then you wanted to come to the UK to study it rather than wanted to come to the UK to study and then saying, oh, I can do film studies. Well, yeah, I think film came first. I think my the reason why I'm in Scotland and maybe England. Yeah. Whatever is because my mom found out that you get the student tuition paid. Yeah.

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Yeah. And that's, that's the only reason why I'm here. So it wasn't like I don't want to put it as if this were as if this was like a preplanned like all the steps along the way. So a lot of it was up to down and stuff. But yeah if yeah. If I have to narrow down I would say it's me learning in English that made me want to study film. Yes.

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Yeah. I think it's the same with people in Scotland, like not many people go to England to do to go to university because it's free here and you know it's so expensive. Yeah I know it's crazy. I think it's up to like nine grand a year. Something down. And for basically the same. Yeah, and like, I couldn't even imagine paying like I this semester, I have two hours a week come time with lectures. Yeah. So like, imagine being nine grand a year or two hours.

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I can. All right.

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Yeah. You go into that unknown and I'd like to hope I'd like to lectures more than two hours bowstring. Not much but um. So yeah. What part do you particularly enjoy about the course in general. Because I have a friend that actually does journalism and film studies with it, Donald Sterling, and he loves the film studies side, I think actually more so than the journalism side. So maybe what are the parts that you particularly like about or maybe dislike about him?

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So I would say just like I knew this was a theoretical course going into it because I thought, OK, and now I want to do film, but I didn't know which part. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought I'd choose a theoretical course to to get the basics of and to give myself more time to learn English. And yeah, I saw, you know, stand behind that decision, even though maybe it wasn't maybe there were different ways of.

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Yeah. Going on about it I don't know. But yeah that's probably what I now dislike the most just because at this point you just after four years, you just want to make something. Yeah. What I really like is that especially in Germany, I didn't I didn't really have any social circles that were really into film and I didn't really have anyone to discuss it with. I didn't have. Yeah. Anyone to know. Nado Yeah.

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And here is like minded people as lecturers and you get get so many good like information that go on. I think what I realized for the course is there are so much more about the subtext sometimes than what's actually happening. Yeah, I think you can say, well you can, you can just learn about films on YouTube or whatever, but they usually focus on the actual story. Yeah, there's more going on that is about like political movements and stuff like that and a lot of the more avant garde phones.

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And I think that's something that I wouldn't have maybe picked up on myself. And I really like learning more about that I think is so interesting seeing how the actual world influences the kind of movies that people made. And they used films as a way of expressing their political views or. Yeah, that they're sort of entrapment and their social circles. Yeah. And that just keeps happening in history. So it's not like a one time thing is so fascinating.

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Yeah, me too. I remember listening to an interview with an actor and they would like talking about one of his performances in particular in a scene, and he was talking about the power of like the silences and between what you were saying, something between the dialogue, the actual breaks he took, between the dialogue were like intentional decision, like acting decisions he made and some of that sort of stuff. Even in like even though that's more maybe just an actor's choice.

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But nevertheless, that's all part. Yeah, that's not something you would, as a normal viewer, just pick up. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like I really found that interesting, the fact that like, like looks so detailed into it that they don't they look beyond the dialogue into like the gaps in between, like it's so crazy, like the amount of stuff you can analyze into these young film creations pretty much just because they sort that reminded me of something that I actually just like.

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Yes. When you get what you get an academic analysis of, OK, I read too much. Yeah, yeah. I get that one is like, OK, let's take a step back, because I remember in English we had like poems. We are timeless and we like. Does that really mean I'm sure you got. Yeah, they're sometimes they make connections and you're like, well this is great. I would have never ever thought this was a really good French movie.

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The Like Cleo from five to nine. I think it's okay. And there's like a constant use of sort of mirrors and broken up glasses. I didn't even notice on my first ones. But then when I pointed out it was really obvious. This is maybe the best example for like something really hidden. Yeah. Maybe somebody else would have picked it up. I haven't. Yeah. And the the writing that we were reading for the class explained so perfectly that was connected to the story.

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Yeah. Yeah. Connected to like the meaning and everything and was my mind was blown. But then there's also some type of stuff where people like see phallic symbols, someone's way of pronouncing a word in the of like doesn't make any sense and that's definitely not intentional. Yeah. Or, or there's like a camera shake because they had a cheap camera and that. Well this is what I at. Oh yeah. Yeah. I could probably see that happening of her is there, like you mentioned just then, the French film, was there any sort of films in particular.

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Like, amazed you maybe maybe just that one is I mean, that one I'm definitely. I really like it. I am before watching that film, somebody will say, oh, you're going to hate it. It's like to tell them about it. Yeah, it's it's just was from five to seven, you know, from five to nine. So it's about a woman who finds out that she might die, OK. And then she's like a really beautiful singer and she kind of in those two hours is like showing basically in real time, OK, she's just waiting for the results of if she has cancer.

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And in that time, she kind of realizes how shallow her life is because it was just based on beauty as a really fantastic film. Just recently we watched Elephant Man, OK, I've heard a lot, but I was going, yeah, well, it's great. It's like the kind of movies you always want to watch because I know they're going to be great, but you have to kind of push yourself because it's like the more you know, it's not like a blockbuster or not something you put on on Netflix.

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Yeah. Does that ever sort of ruin your watching of a film because you like presumably when you watch it, you have to maybe take notes or look at it in a more analytical way, like does it ever ruin your experience of just like watching the film to enjoy the film? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But you you you stop just watching a film because you're always just being kind of critical. Yeah, yeah. I mean that could happen to any, any profession or anything like.

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Yeah. If you study music you're not going to just chill and listen to your song. You're always going to be like, OK, well this chord progression. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's just one of those things that but at the same time it's really cool because you tend to pick up more than the average viewer maybe. Yeah. And that's a good point. That doesn't mean that my opinions on film are any better. They're usually pretty bad.

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I like films that I should like, but it at least means that that's OK. You tend to be aware of lots of little things that I do that everyday people don't notice. Yeah.

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That when I watch something. Yeah. I pick up the thing I would be scared about if I studied film. I think as people would come up to me and say like, oh, if you're singing this like classic film or if you sing like this is film is the best ever. Like everyone watches films, everyone has an opinion, like, have you seen this like best of a film? Because like, I swear to God, whenever someone mentions the fact I've seen Forrest Gump, I'm like, oh my God, I'm so ashamed of myself.

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But then that's sort of like I think I don't want to watch it now just because it's like something I can hold on to. Yeah, it's out of spite. Do you get a lot of people coming up and saying, like, oh, have you seen this film or you need to see this?

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Yeah. Yeah, a lot. Especially because when I was really young or. Yeah. Like a child, my, my parents were like were a bit worried about us watching too much television, so. Yeah. Kind of restricted that. So I didn't watch too much television. I was a child. Yeah. And then you know, I kind of lost that passion for film a bit in the pre teens and maybe even teens. So I haven't seen that many places everybody has seen.

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Yeah. Yeah. Which kind of sucks as a film. Major, major. Major. Yeah. The film I you know, and people keep shitting on me for not having seen some.

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Then at the same time it's I've seen film classic films and I kind of wish I hadn't seen them. Yes. Oh yes and no. I didn't fully appreciate them when I watched them originally because I hadn't fully developed my taste yet. So yeah, I'm like, oh, why did I watch this? Fantastic. Moving on now at this point I'm just like, OK, I'm just going to watch these films whenever I get the chance, whenever I'm in the mood, because I know that they want change.

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I guess I can love them when I'm forty. But if I watch all the films now, you know, there's not much to hope for and to look up. Yeah, I have a friend that like has never seen the Harry Potter movies and like they just like a sense of as far as they just refused to watch. Now, just because it's like a cool thing, they can like the facts that they can say about themselves, like, you know, and Turrell's when the first one there was a lot to do that is so annoying.

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I, I like this thing. So that's a perfect situation. Yeah, I know, I know lots of.

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What do you usually say for your like fun fact or do you just do a dab and I just run away.

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I have something cool like there's no yeah I know I like you and like if there is something cool out, most people are going to be too embarrassed to say. I remember one guy said in my last tour it was like I sometimes get up for I am just going Google Maps. I was like, that's too much information. It's like I don't need any weird. Like there's like a line between fun and like weird where you instantly just going to bring on like the quirky kid.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he said I mean, yeah, it was pretty funny to me. Fair enough to I don't want to put down anyone like that. No, it's really for you. Yeah, I am going to Google Maps. OK, going back to you seem to be going in a solid, linear direction. If we talk about the sort of entertainment qualities I talked about, we've talked about and the film studies, you seem to be going in sort of a direction of wanting to do something, maybe in this particular entertainment sort of area in employment after university.

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So is it something do you want to be like in some area of making films or being a part of films? Or maybe you want to do your own creative things more and focusing on like maybe you want to focus in on the YouTube channel or you want to do something like that just by yourself? Or would you like to be like a component or something?

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Or maybe you don't want to do films and actually you want to do business. No. Yeah, no, I don't. I definitely want to work in film at this point. I've kind of come to terms with that. Maybe it might not just be film rather than media, but I just think that the whole landscape is changing so much. It's such a hard industry to get a foot in. So I might as well have a few years where I work on something that isn't necessarily film, but still in that.

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Yeah, it's always I think it's always going to be in the creative landscape landscape. Yeah. Ideally what I what I would really like to do is stand behind the camera at the TV show. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, maybe not like a huge blockbuster kind of thing. Yeah. I feel like that would take away some of the creative leeway. Yeah. But you know something that is no budget. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. It's low budget not not the low budget funds and the kind of directing screenwriting.

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Something along those lines I think, I think I would, I would always tell how to be around creative so. Yeah. Yeah.

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And yeah I think I would feel so comfortable, especially like maybe in a writer's room. And it's not just you just like you bouncing off ideas, emails, and that that would be kind of the thing I'm trying to get into. Yeah. I mean I can picture like in a writers room, like bouncing off each other. I like I can literally picture you doing it so cool. I think it's going to be so fun listening back to this and 40 years later.

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All right. Unemployed and. Well, I know I know you would. Killing don't. So the last thing I wanted to talk about was ultimate Frisbee, because I always find it interesting to see what people actually think about this, especially the people that play it. So what made you actually want to start playing Ultimate Frisbee? What was it that drew you to it? That I always loved sport and I went through so many different sports and I'm really enthusiastic about sport, but I never found quite the one.

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OK, so before that ultimate Frisbee and you know, I did running the worst I've ever seen that, you know, I was really into jogging and I was like, oh, I can. Well, yeah. And then the drumming with all the people who are just so like, try hard. They were, you know, sorry, running society. I don't want to I didn't make a single friend and then you're OK. And then a first year of uni.

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Yeah. First and then I stopped doing it for half a year and then there's a reviewer of phones on YouTube probably. Oh yeah.

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He used to play. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And that's at least how I knew about the sport. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even know what this was. Yeah. Yeah. And then so when I was walking across the Sports Society Fair and I saw a thing for Ultimate Frisbee. Well that was fun. Yeah. That might be something. I didn't know what it was. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you know. Oh you really know what it was.

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Oh OK. And then I was completely enthusiastic about how much more intense it is than I thought. I know. I know. I feel like that's the thing about it. Like I was just gonna ask you first impressions for like I think most people are, it's a lot more difficult. Yeah. And you actually think it's funny you say that because I like I remember I would tell if you ever seen Brodie Smith show first. That's more like I knew about Frisbee before I started.

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Like, I think I like played it because I when it used to go to a youth group and like an American would come across with a Frisbee. And the fact that he could, like, throw a forehand was like, oh, my God, he's got a pro. So, yeah, he had a tiny bit of experience with it.

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But no, I just remember my first ah, the first year of playing it, just being so confused because everybody was running. So I was running well and then they were like being like, yeah, hey, what are you going to say to me on that, just to the time it took to understand that there's a very specific points that you have to go to. Yeah. And if you don't go there then you're messing up against everything. I thought it.

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Is more like football, where you can just kind of be wherever you want. Yeah, but then the learning the learning curve is steep, I think. Yeah, but once you get into it, it's so fun because you develop. Yeah. I think it's like I've been playing for like two and a bit years now and it's like just sort of clicked like everybody, all of the components like for three or four days a week for two years.

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And like it's only just sort of like clicking. I was meant to like be moving about. But one thing about you when you play Frisbee is that you're never scared of sort of like asking, oh, like what could I do better here? Or even when, like, we have fresher's, like join every year, I'm sleeping like some of them are, like maybe don't do the right, like you were talking about running in the right areas and you're always like the guy that's sort of like, well, not always, but like if you're on their team, you're always telling them like, oh, you can do this a bit better.

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But it's a very, really nice, encouraging way. So what is it like?

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Is this something that you like when people do to you, or is it just something you got away from, something like do you enjoy, like trying to improve like quickly and like helping others to improve? Yeah. Yeah, I do.

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I'm I think one thing that I do, whatever I do is that I try to give 100 percent.

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Yeah. Excluding being the studying with.

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Yeah. But apart from that, like when it's a sport when you want. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Making the same having never done one. I definitely give 100 percent but then I, I think that's maybe especially going, coming to a new country, not speaking the language perfectly and seeing how people were failing to maybe communicate something.

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Yeah. Nicely so they would do especially at my last job, they would either maybe get get, you know, a bit annoyed or didn't quite communicate nicely to help me improve. And then a year later, when I finally understood what we were doing, looking back and seeing like new people come in that and knowing how I felt in their situation, I think they kind of taught me how to teach someone something without getting annoyed at them or like trying.

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So I think I always know without apathy towards them, because you can sort of relate to how they would be feeling if they were kept getting it wrong and no one was really telling them. Yeah, yeah. How to do it better. Yeah.

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I think I always put myself I think that's something that I that I generally do anyway like that just came from that situation. But that said, yeah, yeah. I highlighted it, that I feel like I'm a pretty steady person and I can put myself into somebody's shoes really. Well yeah. Yeah. So I can, I can never have just one opinion. I always put myself into the shoes of the other person and try to think, could I be wrong about this.

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Sometimes I should just be like, OK, you know, I'm right. But I don't know. It's just really great quality to have, I think.

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And that quality in general about you, I think it's a great thing to have.

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And I admire it very with a lot of questioning yourself and I'm guessing which isn't always good, sometimes you need that confidence. Yeah, that I think I think the vast majority of the time I think it comes out. Even if you maybe don't get it right, then you have good intentions behind it anyway. It is important. And so I think that's all the questions I have. We can just jump into these questions like, so do you have a good excuse snack?

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I'm really deep into trouble. I stopped buying a particular brand of chocolate.

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I mean that, you know, the can No one's Duplo. It's amazing. OK, yeah. I think you I don't I don't think I've ever tried it. And they're like they look like would like from the texture.

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Oh right. OK, they're amazing. Especially with spray that's like oh ok. OK. What's one personal page that everyone should follow on social media.

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Well, Sean Walker is a really good YouTube channel called every frame of a painting. They don't have any more, but I still think everybody should. If you're slightly ahead of them, just go there, check out The View, OK?

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Yeah, I'm going to get really cool. Um, what's a guilty pleasure you have?

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There's a movie called Spring Breakers, OK, is like a super cheesy American.

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Well, it's like a film that is pretending to be an art film about spring. I know you're either going to love it or hate it. I think it's really funny, but I can also completely empathize with anyone who. Yeah, yeah, it's trash, but it's like Polish. Right. OK, OK. What's your favorite curse word?

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I mean, there's a few.

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I really wonder if you. I don't think of it I. Let's go onto like if SARS or something. Yeah, just like connect a lot of birds. Oh yeah. OK, so I do like the British crumpets. Oh yeah, we are. All the Scottish ones. OK, yeah. Yeah. Nice. What's the favorite quality about yourself.

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And I do think I tend to be maybe slightly more creative than the average person. I think so. It doesn't mean the money is better. I just I think that yeah, I tend to try to come up with something. Yeah. Laughing at you, I, I've been told by multiple people, so I'm just going to. Yeah. Use them as a reference for good and folks. Things you'd like to improve about yourself.

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What did I write down. Oh even more productive and less introverted. Oh yeah. Yeah I think so. I do. I'm not lazy and I get, I get the stuff done. I usually waste too much time on it. OK, yeah. And I want to, I want to make a cut down on.

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I think that's something that probably everybody does. Yeah. A lot of different people have joked about me doing it on specifics.

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OK, I think I have a problem with that sort of thing was I think, I think that's just being more confident. Yeah. Yeah. But it's really hard to do, especially if you have that sort of mindset. It is really. Yeah. It is a very tricky thing to get out and we can have another whole nother podcast seems. Yeah. So thank you for joining me. This was a really good fun. I really enjoyed this conversation.

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I mean actually OK, I didn't mean it. Like delete it. Yeah. No, I mean like when I know people like all the previous episodes pretty much have done or most of them at least I've known the people pretty well. So I really enjoy these ones where I like. Find out more about the people. Yeah. Because a lot of the times and so know what they're going to say. Yeah. Just like with you it's like genuinely sometimes I'm just figuring out stuff about you which is I really like so I didn't mean.

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Yeah. OK, so thank you. Thank you.

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So that was our conversation. Remember you can follow my Instagram page, a proportional response where I post weekly episode recommendations from my favorite podcast as well as other bits and bobs. And yeah, you'll hear from me soon with another great guest.