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And I am your other delighted Auntie, Sujan Park. We've got a...

Welcome to episode 2 of Zooks Cubs. I'm Jason Manzuckis. I'm your host. This is a Zooks Cubs takeover of Add to Cart. I'm here with my co-host, Coolop and Suchin, and we're going to break down all the best cubes, pouches, packs, and gear for travel. Hit him with the theme song.

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Is his volume turned up higher than ours?

That's his ability. Am I coming in too hot? No.

I just want to know that, wow, when we're in a room together, that's just his volume, right?

Yeah.

Oh, no. I'm loud. I'm too loud. I'm not Jessica St. Claire loud. I'm not straining audio equipment. I'm not pushing the audio equipment to its limits. I'm not St. Claire loud, but I can be loud. I'm loud. St.

Claire under the bus. We're going to do a body count. We're I'm going to do a body count.

The Middlebury Civil War. Jason, it's great to have you on the show for a third time.

Thrilled to be here.

Let's call this episode, Zooks Cubes Cubed.

Oh, okay. So this is episode three, I guess. I wasn't counting the live episode, but yes, this is episode three.

Oh, we got to count that live episode.

Then my intro was wrong because I think I said episode two.

No, but I see your math. I understand it because that was a live show. This is now we're in a totally different-Exactly.

It was just a segment. It was a segment in a different... In one of your live shows, not a takeover. That's right.

At one point, I sat in the crowd, but we don't have to go- Where the host should sit when I'm on the show. I was on the ground. This is Zooks Cubes Cubed international edition. I gave you and Suchen something to think about. Jason, you are freshly back from the How did this Get Made tour all over the UK.

Yes, I just did three weeks in London and Scotland and Ireland, and it was fantastic. Incredible. Live shows, hanging out. It was a blast. Really fantastic. And boy, I spent a full week packing. Oh, wow. Just getting it together. Okay. Because here's my goal. My goal is always check no bags, period.

Yeah. Three-week trip, no bags checked.

Check no bags. Check no bags. Now, there are caveats to that, such as if I was taking a trip that if I was going on a ski trip, I would have to check a bag because I would have more specific gear for that trip or something like that. But if I'm doing this, just traveling, my goal is backpack roller suitcase that's a carry-on size, and that's it. My list is geared towards or my pics are geared towards not checking a bag.

I love that. I love that. Sujan is going to South Korea with her family in the summer.

That's right.

Got it. Even if you're going solo.

Truly international.

Yeah, very international. You got kids. Of course, you're checking bags, right? I mean, you got it.

Yeah, that feels like you got it.

You got it.

Well, how old, actually?

Yeah, they're 9 and 11. Never forget.

Okay, so they can carry quite a lot of weight.

Yes, they're carrying their own bag.

You can load them up. Like burrows. Yes, you can use them as packbeasts.

That's right. Let's say they will be carrying some of Mama's stuff. But also, when I think about international travel, Jason, I don't know if you subscribe to this philosophy. I go there with no checked bags, and I come back with four checked bags.

Okay, so great. I love that. Interestingly, some of my pics are packable tote bags and bags that are duffle bags that are this small. Here's a peak designs one, but this unfolds into a big bag. Or the company Matador makes a great... The company Matador makes a bunch of packable things, like a great duffle bag that packs down to nothing, but you can exactly fill it full stuff that you bought there and then check that.

Okay, good. Listen, we're starting off strong. This is amazing. I love this. You and I, we've got an agreement here.

It's so much better than buying bags there. Unless you're going to go to a North Face or a Patagonia and buy something that's a burley, sturdy bag. I feel like you end up when you're on the road, if you're like, I got to buy something to ship stuff home or to check a bag, and then you're buying something crappy that falls apart.

Crappy and it was expensive. I feel that Jason, for someone who curates bags and smaller containers, that's a nightmare for you. Your goal is to avoid that at all costs.

Oh, buying cheap bags. Nothing makes me more furious. No. Nothing.

Has it ever happened?

I'm sure it has, although I can't remember a time.

I can't imagine. I can't imagine a situation was so desperate that you got yourself into one.

That I bought some shitty bullshit bag. Yeah, no. I travel with so many redundancies and backups. I'm hard-pressed to arrive someplace and be like, Oh, I wish I had a big, lightweight tote bag that I could just start jamming stuff into because I'm almost always- There he is. He's bringing it right on to the- I'm almost carrying this Hyperlite design. Here is this Hyperlite. Hyperlite is a company that makes ultra lightweight camping gear, but they're great for packing for trips because this is like this is nothing. This is like smaller than a paperback book, right? But I've got it all folded up, but it's a tote bag.

How big is that? Oh, it's a tote bag.

Oh, that's nice.

It's a big, giant tote bag. It's like this. This is huge.

Do we got a silver lining in there, Jay? What's that lining?

It's this dyneema, this material, this sailcloth dyneema. Oh, dyneema.

I don't know her.

Yeah, this is like a waterproof, lightweight material that all the Hyperlite uses for a lot of their stuff It's super burly and waterproof, but very, very lightweight. But it does. It makes this crinkly. It makes this crinkly sound.

For the listener, that's ASMR.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a pack of It's just a bag. It's just a bag. It's dynamic. Okay, sorry. Go ahead.

Jason, you said you spent a week packing for a three-week trip. So, Sujan, when will you start packing?

When will you start putting stuff into hefty bags and ductaping them shut?

Well, I'm so glad you asked, both of you, and I'm so glad you're open to my process. That's what I feel most of all so welcomed and just an openness, really. But to answer that question on this pod, because this is the only pod in the entire universe that could warrant a long answer to this simple question, is that, I mean, I tend to pack in phases. Okay. And it tends to happen for an international trip like this, months in advance. Okay. I Start to buy things, test things, and squirrel things away way in advance. Because once it goes into the hefty garbage bag and needs to be duct-taped, it's been vetted. I know you think that I am an insane, chaotic person, and I am. But what goes in my bag, I'm not testing it on the road for the first time.

I'm blown away by that. I think that's exactly how you should do it. Doing it in phases, I start making piles in the weeks leading up to a trip. I start making big piles. I might need all of these things. Then I start winnowing it down, winnowing it down, honing it like a good standup set.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

It's a craft.

It's a craft to just the fine, juicy nuggets, the tarps, the zips, and the pouches that make the final cut.

Do we talk Can we talk about the tarp now, or do we wait for the tarp, or when does the tarp come into play?

Listen, we're going to have a subset of the conversation. It's going to be called Tarp Talk, and it starts now. Welcome to Tarp Talk. Here's the deal. I sent you guys a picture of all of my cubes and all of my stuff on a tarp because that is how I start laying out. I start making my piles, clothes, tech, all the different elements that are going to start being a thing. Once I get it down to what I think is only what I'm going to bring, that stuff goes on the tarp. Now I'm only cubing, pouching, and packing what's on the tarp. It's not like, Oh, this stuff is in the bedroom. Now I've got everything on this tarp, and that is my workspace.

This is a defined zone.

Yes. Got it. Then you're just getting it into a place where I'm not like, Oh, I showed up, and I don't have half of my toiletries because I can picture they're sitting on the ledge in the bathroom. You know what I mean?

I see.

I've brought them down to the tarp. They're there. They're tarp-worthy. They're tarp-ready.

I thought you laid down the tarp for sanitary purposes. Are you bringing that tarp to your hotel room and laying that tarp down?

No, that tarp is just for packing at home.

Okay, yeah, because I understand why, because when you think That's even weirder. When you're thinking tarp, you're thinking more about sanitation and stuff. You're thinking about keeping water out of a roof. No. No, not for this.

I thought, okay, I know he's very clean and tidy. I was like, he's not going to want the bags touching the hotel carpet. But what you're actually saying is you bust out that tarp for a tarp zone in your home just to pack, and then that tarp goes on a hook hook in some tarp closet.

No, the tarp doesn't go on. Suchin, you sound like a fool, Suchin. You've revealed yourself to be a fool, thinking I have some tarp hook. The tarp folds down in to its own little packable bag like this big.

Where does that go that you can find it again?

Oh, it goes in a bin. Oh, I've got... Hold on, please.

Oh, God. I can't ask follow-up questions. Yeah, you have to. That's what this show is.

Our show is asking follow-up questions.

Why? I don't have the energy to have this man be running around. Oh, Lord. What does that bin say?

Pouches. It says Pouches.

It's in your pouches bin is your tarp.

By the way, this is one of 10 bins of different things. This bin has different size pouches, different kinds of pouches. This is a packable towel that sometimes if I'm going someplace, I'll bring a microfiber towel. Adam Savage from Myth Busters makes these great bags and pouches. These are his pouches that I think are fantastic. Anyway, to answer your question, Suchin, the tarp lives in one of the bins. It lives literally in the miscellaneous bin where that towel should be. That towel is mistakenly in the pouches bin.

That's going to get your goat.

The rest of my day is pulling apart the pouches and putting them back together. Oh my God. I put them apart the bins and putting them back together.

Now you're going to have to get a bin tarp.

I'm just a bin boy. You're a bin boy.

Now you're a tarp tucker. I don't know if that's right. So, Sue, let's just talk about just you and not your kids. Jason said that he's got a rollie and he's got a backpack.

What do you have?

Just for you.

I generally do a backpack and a rollie. Sometimes I do a very large tote. That's right. It depends. Internet I'll do the backpack. You know what I mean? I'll get more use out of it.

Well, let's talk goods now. So, Sue and Jay, who makes your rollie and who makes your backpack?

My roller bag is a Ramona. Cabin Plus.

Oh, excuse.

Wait, is that hard case? I'm sorry.

Oh, pardon. Yes. Oh, pardon.

You're a hard case guy. Holy moly, hard case guy. I need a minute. That took a left turn.

Oh, yeah. I'm not going to lie, and I'm going to be real. There are things that I'm going to mention in this discussion that are expensive. That's fine. I'm on the road a tremendous amount in the year, so I bought an expensive burly-ass suitcase that I can beat up and it will not fall apart. So it's great. I'm obsessed with it.

I have never heard you say the word burly. In all of our friendship, the years that we've known each other, you've said burly multiple times.

Only referring to bags. Yes, I'm talking about these fabrics. I'm talking about 500 denier cordura. I'm talking about burly fabrics. I'm talking about Water resistance. I love a Ramona bag.

But the Ramona bag, because it's hard, I've never been a hard case because you can't stuff even more things in there. There's always just a little bit more more room. Good.

I agree. I think you're right. I think a soft bag allows you to put more into it, which is in fact, a bad thing. You should be figuring out how to reduce, how to pull back, how to have less, essentially because of what you said, Suchin, which is you are going to accumulate. But you're right. You're right that it's not as on a soft bag, you have a couple of liters of play that you You can... You measure volume of bags in liters, guys. This is what they do. I don't know why. You have some more play. In a hard shell case, you don't have that. The other thing that sometimes is negative about a hard bag is it can start off heavier than some soft bags. If you are, especially internationally-Trying to get that 50 pounds, right? Well, more often than not, it's not a big deal, but some international flights are very... They pulled my check-in bag when I went to London and made me check it. My cabin bag made me check it simply because it was too heavy. I hadn't known. That's never happened to me before, but I guess- Wait, do you not travel with a portable scale?

I don't. This is the first time that I've had this experience, so now I might, or I'll just do it at home. But I've never- Yeah, because you're bringing goods home.

That's right.

She brings good home. She's got a store. Yeah.

Yeah. And-opening shop. Yeah.

Well, you should just be getting a shipping container and filling it full of stuff.

Don't even get it. No. Oh, my God. That is a dream.

I have. I've looked into that. Guess what? Not cheap. But also what I like to do is fill a bag to the absolute... Like the seams are bursting. But leave about 6 inches of zipper open and then proceed over the week week before of the date that you leave, you just keep finger shoving.

I don't think that's the T-shirt.

Just like a finger shoving. Just a finger's whip. I don't know what liter that amount is. 0.008 liters.

I want to make sure people understand that Suchen knows exactly what she's doing. She keeps saying, finger shove, finger shove, but the visual, what she's doing with her is absolutely chilling. Rolling.

Yeah, it feels like a Dateland podcast right now.

It feels like I want to ask your suitcase if it feels safe.

You don't want her to answer that question. She's been bound and gagged for many years.

Well, here's the thing. My suitcase, if it went open, you've seen pictures of it. There's nothing loose inside of it. It's all- It's crammed, yeah. It's all perfectly puzzle-pieced. So everything goes in a pouch. All my My underwear, my sleep shorts, my T-shirts, they go in one Evergood's zippered packing cube. My six white shirts from Gipman Brothers Vintage, they go in a different packing cube. Of course. So that's the other thing that you mentioned. When I get to my hotel, I don't unpack anything. I just open my suitcase on a luggage rack and I operate out of the cubes. Look at him. Look at him.

Now, your visual.

Now, I'm finger-shuving.

Your visual is much more of like, what was that movie? And then it moves things.

Minority Report?

Minority Report. Minority Report.

Enhance.

Yeah, he's a precog.

Enhance. Now, okay, so here's my question to you, Jason. You're already, let's say the Uber is picking you up in 30 minutes and you're like, Oh, shoot, I forgot a sun shirt. There's no time for what you just said. You have to finger shove just like a thin- You don't. You don't have to finger shove. Yeah, you do. No. You have to finger shove it. You just open the suitcase. No, you don't have time. You got to go. You have to go right in there and just be like, I hate it. I don't like it the whole flight. Why? I'll be thinking about it, but you know what? It had to happen. Nobody's perfect. I'm flexible. I'm a flexible guy.

No, you're not a flexible guy because you said you think about it the whole flight. Let's see. For me, what I will do so is to save myself. I will take the extra three minutes to open one of the cubes that I know is not completely full, zip it open, fold my son's shirt perfectly like I learned when I was a sales associate at The Gap, and I will put it in that cube, zip it back up, zip the suitcase back up, bing, bang, boom, I'm ready to rock. Then when I get there and I'm like, Oh, it's sunny. I need my sun shirt. I'm like, Oh, it's in the Evergood's packing cube with the other T-shirts and my Moreno wool travel shirt. Zooks Qs.

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Guys, how many pairs of underwears, an underwear and socks for a 10-day trip?

My answer is It's different in the past than it is now. In the past, I would bring more socks and underwear than I needed. Now, I bring less because I now will do laundry in plate. I will send... I now... Again, this is a financial indulgence. I will have the hotel do my socks and underwear or a few things. That is, it's overpriced, it's ridiculous, but it allows me to bring fewer things, and then I just have to build in Okay, I'm going to end up sending laundry down twice or whatever.

You're not washing any of that in a sink?

Oh, no, I will. One of my things on my list is a packable clothes line. Sorry? Which is, it's just like 12 feet of paracord. If I want to wash, and I do, like underwear or my compression socks. Excuse me, my compression socks. If I want to wash my compression socks.

Babe, I'm going on a trip tomorrow. Got I got two pair ready to go for the flight there and flight back.

Oh, killer. Have to. You're the best. You got to get those compression socks. Yeah, I'll wash it and I'll hang it up. Absolutely.

I love that. Just wanted to reach.

But I'm less likely to do... I'm more likely now to be like, Fuck it. I'll just send it down. You know what? It's going to cost me 40 bucks, but in my mind, I've decided I'm 51. I'll spend this money.

What are we talking? Five socks, five pairs of underwear?

Yes. I think on this trip, I was away for three weeks. I think I had six socks and six underwear. Okay.

Wow. Okay. Suchan Park. What's your math?

Oh, God. I really don't want to get into this.

I think the thing for women is women's underwear pack so much smaller, so you can bring way more.

It depends on what type of underwear.

Oh, go ahead, please.

Yeah, My underwear is, what did you call it? Burley fabric? Sure. Sure.

Sailboat, sailcloth? Well, that's not breathable at all. I mean, you're cooking up something.

Then that seems closer to the truth.

You're cooking something up in there.

I have a little valve.

Like an old East Coast radiator?

Yeah, it's just like she uses dead stock from REI tents.

I mean, if you remember, they'll still take it back.

She She is. Susan, give me a number right now.

For a 10-day trip? Yeah. I mean, a probably 20 pairs of underwear and 10 pairs of socks.

And all wool, I'm assuming for both of you.

All wool. For me, all wool, yeah. But that's not crazy to me because I do feel like your 20 pairs of underwear probably pack smaller than my six pairs of underwear. Jay, no. Maybe not, but- Jay, no. I could finger-cram. I could finger-cram your panties into a pouch. Sujan, I could finger-cram your panties into a pouch.

Promise is made, promise is broken. I could answer that two ways. I could say I'll bring four pairs of underwear and two pairs of socks, knowing that when I I get there, I will buy, and I am going to buy, all of that and more. You know what I mean? So I've got- Wait, you'll buy underwear and socks there? Absolutely. That's a given.

But you were burned in Paris. You bought It was not underwear in Paris, and it was way too... It was too- It was small for your liking.

Correct. The fabric wasn't great. Yeah, it was a tinier bit of fabric. I like a generous spread.

Sure. My question is, okay, so you're buying underwear, let's say, underwear in stocks, you're buying it there because you need to wear it on your trip or because you like that version of that underwear and you want to bring it home with you?

Generally, it's A. Something has happened. I've miscalculated.

Okay, Asuchen, I need to ask you a follow-up question immediately. When you buy the new underwear, and this is very important, do you not wash before you wear it?

Oh, you have to wash it because people have been fingering it in the store.

But there are so many people I know who don't wash clothes that they receive from online shopping, buy out in the world or whatever. They just put it on their bodies.

I wouldn't wash the socks.

What? Because your feet are gross anyway? Why?

Yeah, because my feet are my feet. But underwear is touching more intimate parts of your skin.

Guys, I don't wash anything. I just put it on and then I wash it after.

You're one of those people. Cool up. What?

Yeah.

I don't want to insert myself for just a second.

That's dangerous.

I could see that. I could see. I hear you. I'm not going to change my behavior.

That's dangerous.

Because people are gross. They'll try things on in the store without underwear on or whatever, and then put it right back.

Or even if it's just been sitting in some shipping center waiting to be... Some disgusting warehouse waiting to be thrown in a box and sent to you from some random company that you've bought it from.

What are we doing? I feel like that's probably the case for my skims and wear, but I think that my vagina has built up some resistance, and I think it's good.

Why challenge it? Why give yourself that test?

Why has she built up that resistance? Why is the assumption?

You guys are all concerned about burly fabric. My vagina is burly. My vagina is Hardy. My vagina is Tom Hardy in the Dark Knight.

Welcome. Oh, Batman. I'm slopping off the uterine lining. What?

I live with a man who will rewash perfectly clean clothes because they feel stale.

Oh.

Oh. What's stale? What do you mean by stale?

That's his interpretation, his barometer, his thermostat.

Because it's not like mildewy. It's not like, Oh, there was- No.

Yeah, exactly. It doesn't have a smell. It doesn't... He just thinks, Okay, because I will agree. I feel like if I pulled something out that I hadn't worn in a very long time, would I wash it before wearing it? Maybe, but probably not. Only if it was like... No, because I feel like if it's put away right, it's clean. But I will not wear anything. If I am going to put on clean underwear, fresh from a shower, and the clean underwear falls on the ground, I will not put it on. It's dirty now. Wow. Really? What?

Is your nethers?

I mean, how delicate is it down there? No, that would be the case. I I chose on the wear. That would be the case with a T-shirt.

In your own home?

Yeah. The floors are clean.

They have to be clean. They're tarping it.

You need a shower tarp, bro. You need a tarp.

It's so true. It's so true. But that's the other thing is once I use a towel, that towel is dirty. What?

That's my husband.

Okay. That towel is now dirty. I don't use a towel multiple days in a row.

By the way, he doesn't even hang his... There are no towels towel's hanging in the bathroom. He brings a towel in.

Dry my body, hamper. Or sometimes I bring it straight down, boom, right into the machine. Wow.

Okay. I don't love it.

I don't love it. This is something I don't stand by. I know this is crazy. I know that. I don't think this is appropriate, but somehow in my mental calculus, I'm like, Oh, this is dirty now.

Okay. Are we going to get to his car? Because I have so many follow-up questions, and I want to ask them.

I'll happily just talk about this.

The last thing I want to ask is, what time are you arriving at the airport and gate?

Okay, so I'll answer. I want to answer, if you don't mind. You earlier asked me what roller bag I use, which is a Ramoa. Then you also asked me what backpack, and I didn't answer More often than not, I'm carrying the Tom bin Shadow Guide pack, which I love and is an incredible bag. It's 35 liters, so it can hold a lot. But if you don't pack it full, it's great because you can really easily... I fill it with cubes, with stuff like, this is like my tech pouch. This is an ever goods tech pouch that just fits perfectly right into my back backpack. I slide all these pouches into the backpack. The measurements of that pack, there's a couple. The Evergood travel bag, too, is incredible and fantastic and has a little bit more access points. The Tom bin one is a top loader. You just fill it from the top, which I don't mind. But anyway, so I use that or the Ever goods bag or another Tom bin bag called the Teconot, which is also very good. The Teconot.

Anyway. Thank you, Jay. Thank you.

Of course. I could talk about backpacks for the literal rest of the podcast because I'm completely in the most embarrassing way. My downstairs guest room is just full of bins of backpacks. It's shocking. How many? One of the other things that I will mention, and the answer is like dozens of backpacks. The other thing I'll mention, which is the goal, which is like, what an incredible idea. The goal would really be to travel with just a big backpack. Just one bag travel, Rick Steve style, Because a roller bag is not always convenient, and in fact, is often inconvenient.

If you need to get in trains and stuff, it's so much easier to just have a back bag.

Yeah, cobblestone streets, all you, just so much more mobile. There are bags, the GR, the Go-Ruck GR2. There's a bunch of Tom bin bags, that Ever goods bag I mentioned. There's a bunch of others that are all fantastic for that. Then what I do is I pack a smaller bag inside that bag so that when I get there, if I want to tool around and go sightseeing or on a hike or something, I have a little backpack, like a little Arc'teryx backpack that I've got or one of the other little packable bags. Suchen is just laughing so hard at me. But what I will do, specifically vis-a my plain etiquette is...

Oh my God.

Is I take this Tom bin, one of these Tom bin tote bags, right? The small tote bag that is like nothing, right? I put inside of this- Another?

Wait, another bag.

Yes, but I'll put inside of this my noise canceling headphones, if I'm bringing those, my iPad, all the stuff that I want my seat on the plane.

You just pull that out.

What I do is I get to my seat, I take my backpack, I put my roller bag up above because nothing in it is coming out. I open my backpack, I pull just this tote with everything that I need for the plane ride, put it on the seat, put my backpack up above. Now I've got my hero clip. I clip it this to the thing. I hang my tote bag off of the seating front of me.

Yeah, we have a photo, guys. Don't worry, we have a photo.

Yeah, you have a photo. My stuff is not hanging. My stuff is not touching the disgusting airplane floor, which is the most disgusting place. Everything I need, boom, right here in my trusty Tom bin tote bag.

Now, Jay, are you wiping down the seat?

Oh, I'm wiping down everything I can get my hands on. Yes, I'm wiping everything down. I'm wiping the screen down. I'm wiping everything down. I don't I don't eat a goddamn thing they get me, and I treat it like, nice try. Nice try.

You're not falling for it.

Okay? Nice try, assholes. I'm not a fucking idiot. Exactly. What do you think? I'm an idiot? You know, guess what I don't want? Food prepared less than 4 feet from a toilet. Think about that. Think about how present the toilet is to the food prep area. You would never allow that in a restaurant. Every galley in every airplane would get an F from the health department just by proximity. And that toilet shoots shit up. That's how that works. That thing is just pouring fecal particles onto your ice, into your drinks. You're absolute fools for consuming this diarrhea food.

And plus those pilots in that cabin, that pressurized cabin, just the two of them.

What's going on in there? Just rip in farts. Just rip in farts. They're just fucking hop-boxing that cockpit with farts. Zooks Q.

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Okay, let's get more in to Jason's car.

Along with my roller bag and my backpack, I carry now a sling around my front, whichever goods makes, and I'm just going to go get it right now. Hold on. I'll dump everything in my pockets when I get to the airport, my phone, my AirPod, everything for a TSA. I'll dump in here. I've got one of these.

That plug adapter is the Epica Universal Travel. Is that what the- Hold on, I'll go get it.

Okay.

You're worried about you getting tired? Why aren't you worried about him getting tired? Suchin Park. I mean, he's high. He's burning calories.

He's high. He's so happy.

I'm having the best time.

He's so happy. I've never... His pupils are fully dilated.

This is the thing I'm talking about. Yeah. This is the thing I'm talking about. So it's got wherever you are, you can have the plug for wherever you and then it will plug in everything. Then it has four USB-C charging ports, one USB-A charging port. It's got all the stuff and a surge protector. This is great for... I had this, and then I brought this, which is my anchor. I plug this into the wall, and then it's got two USB-C ports and one USB regular, and it's a battery. Once this is charged, it's a battery on the go. Got it. It's both my wall unit, but then when I just have it, it can charge multiple phones or my iPad or whatever.

Where are those? What pouches are those two things in?

Nobody knows. Oh, no, not in the front pouch.

You put it in your front pouch? I put everything in my front pouch, baby.

Guys, let's start- I'm trying. I'm trying so hard to follow along. I mean, I'm sorry. I have to wave my I surrender flag.

Look at this. I'm lost. It fits perfectly right in there.

Here's where it makes sense. If he's on the go and his phone is dying, it's not rifle, rifle, rifle. It's already slung in front of him.

I don't have to go into exactly. I don't have to go into any bag. I can recharge my phone twice without going into anything but this. I've been traveling with this set up for a while now, and maybe twice people have said, You can't have three things. What I do is I just take the Fanny pack and I just put it in the backpack. Got it. Just for that. It's annoying, but it's only happened twice, if that.

I have a specific I have a question, and then I have a big picture question. Okay, here we go. Okay, great. My specific question is- Macro, micro. Yes. I'm going to start with a micro. Have you ever had the experience where you go into one of your tiny little secret compartments within a compartment within a compartment. You know in your brain that you've got your little tiny little pouches for your vitamins there. You go in there with your two fingers to grab it and it's empty. Have you ever had that experience where you go for something that you know should be there? I want to sit and look for it. What does that look like?

Is it a full meltdown? It happened recently. No, No, it happened recently, and I was annoyed, but it was fine because it was something that... It'll happen when it's things that are underused. I had a headache, and I was like, I had a headache, and I was like, I know in my Fanny fanny pack, there is Tylenol. I tore that fanny pack to shreds. At some point, I had moved that Tylenol to my toiletry kit. It was annoyingly in the backpack. I had to go find it elsewhere. Yes, but it's like that. I've never needed a frequently used item, i. E. The battery or the cord or stuff like that, because those things I always double-check are there because I know during this 10-hour flight, I'm going to need that. I'm going to want that. I'm going to be really annoyed if I don't have that.

The system catches you. It's a trustful, and she's there holding you.

Remember, building in redundancy. One is zero, two is one, three is two.

My macro question here, I have a few, but I'm going to try to just stick to one. My macro Another question here is, okay, how much do you think of your head space, your time and your energy, your body liquids, your waking hormones? Do you spend thinking about pouches, reorganizing them, putting them away, laying them out, touching them, searching for them? How much of your life is pouch?

Or cube. Okay. When I am... Because I'm trying to take this seriously, which is itself an upsetting reality. In normal life, not at all. Unless I see a thing online. Just the other day, I saw this company, Matador, put out a new set of packing cubes that looks like it has a... I'm currently in the market for a different packing cube set up. Really? I'm looking at other packing cube for clothes, packing cubes. The Ever goods one I love, but I'm looking for some bigger ones anyway. If I see something come across, like one of the sites that I go to. If my RSS feed shows me something from one of the sites that I follow or the YouTube channels that I watch, I'll engage with it if I'm looking for it. But otherwise, not really. But then I will say in the week or two leading up to a trip, especially this last trip, which was long, and I was really having to think about, how do I want to... I'm going to be in rainy places, so I need access to my raincoat all the time. Where am I going to keep it so that it's easy to get to and how am I going to pack it?

So the raincoat, I figured out, I'll put it in its own little thing. It's as tight as And then I can fit it into the lid of my backpack so it can live there. I'll think about stuff like that, but that, again, is only in the lead up to a trip.

My final question is, if you're traveling with a partner. Okay. And does that partner have to engage in your philosophy of cubing? Because can that partner have his or her own packing philosophy that may interfere with the rhythm of your cubing?

Sure. I know what you're saying. If somebody has a system that works for them, then they should go for it. You know what I mean? If I'm traveling with someone who's they pack their thing their way or whatever. But if it becomes a situation where- Here we go. They're like, Oh, no, I don't have this, this, and this. I need to I need to go to a store and I need to buy this, this, this. I'm like, Now I'm annoyed. Now we're wasting travel time doing errands. This should have been figured out. You know what I mean? I've traveled with buddies on trips that they're a fucking mess because they just threw a bunch of stuff into the suitcase the night before and are showing up like, Oh, dude, I fuck it. I don't have it. It's colder than I thought. I don't have a jacket. I'm like, How did you not look at the weather for the week ahead in the ski town we're currently in. What are you doing? Now we have to go and find a store and get you base layers. I don't love it.

Well, this is back to episode one of Zook's Cubes, where Suchen expects to go to a pharmacy. That's part of the itinerary is that she's going to a pharmacy.

If I'm running errands like that, I've failed.

It's the only reason I travel.

But I will happily, if someone is like, Oh, what's the deal with packing cubes? Or whatever, I'll be like, Here, use these, try this. I'm happy to proselytize to someone if I'm going to be traveling with them. If they're like, Let me know how this works. I'm like, Let's do it. I'll pack someone's bag for them.

I'm so generous.

If you know what I'm saying.

Erotic, erotic.

Put your hands all over my tarps. But no, My system is for me because it's absurd. I don't think I'm doing it correct. There's no right or wrong way, except that Suchen is doing it wrong. I do know that.

You direct pleasure from it. That's what we're... Yes. Isn't that the baseline of it all?

I feel satisfied when I have fit a lot of stuff into cubes and then puzzle-pieced them into the structure of the two volumes of bags that I have. Boom, boom, boom. I find real pleasure in... I've gotten it all in there. And then... And forgive me, I think I told this story the last time, but it's the story that best illustrates this, which is, I told you about the blackout that happened in Telluride, Colorado, when we were there for the Telluride Comedy Festival. A townwide blackout happened overnight in a town that is like a box canyon in the middle of the mountain. So it was like, plunged into the last century. It was so cool and beautiful. There were no generators. Nobody had anything. I had in my possession seven flashlights. Jay, I don't think you told me the story.

I don't know the story.

Oh, I thought I... Forgive me. I thought I told it on the last one. How did you have...

You packed seven flashlights?

Redundancy.

Yes.

Suchin Park.

Yes.

One equals zero.

Yes. I have I had multiple regular flashlights, and that's one of the things that I always bring, too. Everything from a small pocket size flashlight to I had a headlamp. Then I also have- Sue, you have a headlamp for reading.

I know you're traveling.

For reading, but I can't imagine flashlights.

Oh, yeah. Well, I also have little flashlights attached to zippers on my backpack. It wasn't like, Here's seven flashlights. I had to pull them off other things. A lot of them are little guys. But still, I was able to give everybody in the Comedy Festival a flashlight during the blackout. Everybody was like, Why do you have all of this? But part of it is because I always travel with this Tom bin bag, this little pack that's just a toolkit. It's got flashlights in it. It's got a little wrench in it. It's got What? It's got one of these windshield breakers, the tools that you're supposed to have in your car. If I'm traveling and I'm going to be in cars in places I don't know, guess what? I'm going to have a windshield breaker. In case you go underwater. I'm going to have I'm going to have one of these things to plug into the cigarette lighter to charge everything.

Okay. What? Well, I'm astounded. You travel with a wrench.

You travel with the cigarette lighter.

So, Suchin, just to go back to you a little bit. I'm assuming your experiment with packing cubes has unraveled, and it really is just- Can I ask?

Sorry to interrupt you, Phil. No, honey, go ahead. Can I make a request?

I tried.

Can we do a video podcast sometime where I pack Suchin's bags?

Yeah, I'd like that very much.

I like that very much. Maybe not for an actual trip, but maybe it's just Here is everything that you would take. Then I just… This would be a funny video episode. I think it would be. Where we're together.

Yeah. Then watch her, a rabid racoon, go…

And unzip everything. No, not even. I just would love to see the look on your face when you see what I travel with. When you list out the wrench and the stain remover pen and your little rubbery tips for your ears, and I bust out with my snacks and my three-pound bean pillow.

Wait, you take a bed pillow, but that's the husks, bean husks? Yes.

It's the only thing I can sleep with.

Just this trip was like, I'm dangerously close to when I know I'm going to be someplace for a while, Just buying the pillow I know I like, sending it there, sleeping on it, and letting them throw it away. Because these hotel pillows, this is old man. This is real old man. I cannot do this shit anymore.

I've been somewhere where I didn't know I was going to spend the night, and I was like, Oh, you know what? It's getting too late. All right, I'll just stay in LA a night and then drive back in the morning. I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to do about pillows. I've gone then to buy a $60 pillow, the most expensive, thinking that that, and then never using it ever again because it's the pillow. It's the age. That never was a thing until Oh, no. One night on not my pillow, then its game is over for me.

Oh, no. My neck and back are still jacked up from this last trip just because of pillows and beds.

The pillow that I I use, I have the Barley, right?

Oh, it's Barley.

They're like husks. They're like husks. Very light.

No, I slept on one for many years.

Okay, if you can't, for some reason, have it delivered, I've had that. Delivered, and then that's the best case scenario, and you leave it there, or I take it with, and then you throw away the husks.

Oh, interesting.

And you empty the husks, and then you can order. Yeah, and then you just order husk inserts. It's not crazy.

Sounds like this would be a perfectly smooth video that would just be Kumbaya.

I can't wait. I can't imagine it's going to end with Isuchin and I covered in husks. Us and the floor just covered in husks.

Husks and poise pads.

Why are you bringing so many poise pads?

At the different sizes for different activities. You know what I mean? It's not all the same The size fits all. You're going to have to pouch that and figure out how the system of pouching works.

Listen, I love a challenge. Challenge accepted.

All right. When we meet next, I shall bring my soft-fingered suitcase.

So can I ask, in your system, are there like things in the bags? Do you have a... Good question. Or are they all different things?

The The complete answer to that is the intention is always there in the beginning. Sure. I say, Okay, this is going to be just for the bathroom. I'll just put all my toiletries in there. I'll put my serums and blah, blah, blah. Then last minute. Finger cramming?

Finger cramming there.

I have to finger cram something in there, like a little… Like a granola bar. Like a little…

Like a granola bar.

Anchorchip or something like that where I was like, You know what? It's great because it's going to be cold, but not too cold. And this is something I can wear and cover my neck. And so then I have to find something.

So you'll put that in with your toilet?

Sometimes because it just is a last minute thing.

Suchin, respectfully, that's madness. That's madness.

I understand your viewpoint of that is being madness, but you have to understand. That seems insane.

That neckerchief should have a home. No, but- That neckerchief, it shouldn't It shouldn't be jammed. It should be like, you should know where to get neckerchiefs. No.

From the neckerchief pouch. Yeah, but sometimes you just don't know until it's last minute, and then... It's just one neckerchief.

You can know.

Where are you put that in?

You are able to know before last minute. It's possible. Goodbye, Cool Up. Cool Up shrinking out of place.

We lost. We lost her.

Okay, I know we need to end. I Why?

I'm having so much fun.

Because Jay, I know what your bag looks like. Now I didn't understand, are your shirts and underwear in Zip-block bags, too?

Sook Yee, are you using Zipblock bags for your clothes? As packing cubes or no? No. Do clothes just go in loose?

Yeah, that's what I want to know. Yeah, loose clothes.

But what about shoes? Are your shoes bagged or are your shoes just... Are your dirty souls of your shoes up against your clean clothes?

Up against the crotch area of underwear. I wrap the shoes. No. Truly? No. The shoes go in, usually like a... What do they call it? Like a dust bag or something. Oh, dust bag. Okay.

The shoes come in. Great, great, great, great, great, That's where the shoes go.

All right.

Okay. Then it's loose, folded clothing, and then- Yeah.

Are you folding or rolling or neither?

Yeah. Well, again, the intention there is always super Super cram? No, super organized. I know exactly what it is. I usually roll. I usually roll, but it depends. It depends on the formation that's happening. I never know. I'm very free and open to it. It's like, sometimes a bag starts off where the rolling works, and then I add something, and now suddenly I can only lay things down flat. Then that happens. But I do have to say there's always something last minute for me that I'm not going to unroll and reorganize everything. It's just going to have to be finger-jammed into the edges.

Any crevice, any opening. But see, my fear would be, what you have is when you open your suitcase, it is not chaos, but it is...

And once you start digging around, you are creating more chaos. Then what you're doing is creating a situation where repacking your bag to move to a different city or a different leg of your trip, repacking your bag becomes quite difficult because you have to actually go and redo everything. You've upset by pulling out this sweater, you've unraveled three other things. Versus for me, I'm unzipping the cubes that are in my bag and like, drawers in the suitcase, I'm like, Here's my white shirt for tonight. Here's my underwear. Here are my socks. Thank you. Thank you, suitcase. Thank you.

Thank you, mood. Thank you, mama. Thank you, mood.

Thank you, mood.

I am repacking and packing my suitcase at all hours of the trip at every free chance I get.

You're wasting so much time.

Okay, well, let me ask this. Do you enjoy that? Does that give you pleasure, Sue, or does that cause anxiety?

As much pleasure as this trip tarp gives Jason.

Oh. Which is quite a bit of pleasure. Okay.

Well, because is there- It's quite a bit of pleasure because I fuck that tarp.

Yeah.

Same. Same.

I make love to it.

We're just a couple of tarp fuckers. Yeah, you fuck the tarp. I make love to my suitcase. Every chance I get, I am- You cress.

What suitcase? Yeah, we didn't even talk about that.

I don't even know. It's a soft suitcase. It's a great suitcase. Where did you get it? I got it on sale. I'm sure backcountry or something like that.

Okay, wow. Okay, so In summation, you guys are both doing things that feel good to you.

Is that fair? We're getting sessual pleasure.

I think we both are. It's interesting. I think, boy, what's interesting is I feel like in doing these episodes, I think in my mind, I would win Suchen over as a convert to some of these things. What I think is happening, though, is I think she's digging her heels in deeper.

I feel that, too.

No, I'm open. I got the bins. I told you I did that, and then I couldn't remember what was in those damn packing cubes. That's tough. Then I put the labels on, and that all got messed up. If we were to collab on a cube- Oh, wow.

I love this.

Collab on a bag cube line, everything would be clear.

There are certain cubes that not necessarily clear, but have mesh, have the one side you can see a little bit. I do think, and one of the ways that I do it, too, is I will color coordinate. Certain cubes, my orange ever a goods cube I know is underwear, T-shirts, sleep shorts. That is just that stuff. The red packing cube, just white shirts. There are certain things that I'm like, these are always going to be true so that it's just baked in now. Because I agree with you, just a cacophony of cubes is just as confusing if you don't know what's where. You don't want to start unzipping and rumaging around because you're doing the thing that I'm saying, which is you're making a mess. My whole thing is trying to not have a mess.

I say that is where, once again, the juice of life is.

Wow, Jason. I mean, Where else should we end but there?

I'm having a great time. I know.

No, I love it so much, Jason. I miss you. I feel like I haven't seen you forever.

I mean, this These weeks have been crazy. So I'm so excited to be home. I would love to see you as soon as possible. Yes, please. But I literally have practically not left the house in the three days that I've been home.

Yeah, you've been de-pouching.

My bed, all I want to do is... Oh, my God. If I told you- Oh, I can only imagine the de-pouching chambers that you have to go into. I'm also obsessed with bed bugs. I take all the pouches and stuff that I use, I put them in a black trash bag, and I put that outside in the sun for a few days when I come home so that it kills anything that's in there.

Wow.

Okay.

That's a bonus app. I don't know. That may have to go behind a paywall. Yeah.

Susan would put a lot of out in the sun to kill. Oh, I love it. She has done a lot of that in the past. Wow, guys. Well, that's all for today's episode, Carter's Cubers. You have to see these packing photos. Head over to our Instagram at add2cartpod. We will see you next week. Cubs.

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