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This is an all ears English podcast, episode 15 50 Prepositions and Pancakes.


Welcome to the All Ears English podcast downloaded more than 200 million times. Are you feeling stuck with your English? We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection, with your American hosts. Lindsay McMahon, the English adventurer, and Michelle Kaplan, the New York Radio Girl coming to you from Colorado and New York City, USA.


And Today's episode. We answer a great question from our listener, Pedro. What is the difference between Madoff made with and made out of an English? Find out the nuances with these prepositions today.


What's going on, Michelle, how are you feeling today? Hey, Lindsay, I'm good, I am good. Do you remember this is kind of a random topic, but we were talking about fashion recently. Do you remember that Lady Gaga once wore a dress that was made out of meat.


Made out of what? To me, this was years ago. This was the years ago. Oh, actually, we're gonna be talking about fashion. I got the order mass tomorrow. Guys, make sure you out on. But to prep you for that.


Yeah, I don't know guys of you know about this, but once Lady Gaga wore a dress that was made out of meat to some awards show and it was a big, big deal.


Yeah, I did not know anything about that. That's so crazy. You'll have to sell it. Yeah. It was made out of meat. Gross made out of meat.


OK, got it. Got it. I see you're alluding to maybe we're talking about prepositions a little bit today.


Well, yes.


Well we have a question today from a listener about the difference between made with made up and made out of. And this is a really cool question because it's one of those where you don't realize, you know, necessarily the differences. And then you go into them and it's like, oh, that really makes sense. So I love it. I love this. This is from Pedro today.


Yeah, they are quite different, aren't they? So I'm going to read the question. OK, Michel, are you ready? Go for it. All right. Here we go. Hello, Lindsay, Michelle, Jessica and Aubrey. My name is Pedro and I'm from Spain. I knew I've known you for years, a few years. I like your podcast and I don't miss any of them.


That's awesome. I thank you. First of all, happy New Year and keep doing such a great podcast I'd like. Have you found the following question interesting enough to make an episode about. I'm not sure if these phrasal verbs using MAKE are interchangeable or not. They are make of me out of and make with.


For instance, are these sentences the same? The cake is made with butter, the cake is made of butter, the cake is made out of butter.


Thanks for your great job on the podcast, Pedro.


Good question. Good. It's a head scratcher. It is a head scratcher.


Definitely, yeah. These are the best kinds of questions.


Yeah, they really make us think so. Guys, we're going to get into it in just a second. But Lindsey, what do we want to tell our listeners?


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So this was inspired from the Cambridge dictionary, this answer. So, yes, I'm excited about this one.


So this is something about something creating something I know that sounds like just ridiculous, but there's more to it. So with the cake, the butter is helping to create the cake. Right. So but there's more to it.


So made out of let's go over made out of first what. Something has changed a lot to make something else, usually something unrelated or something that you want to think could make something else right. So that's made out of.


So for example, do you like my necklace. It's made out of guitar picks and Soda Can Tab's.


So that's why you said at the beginning that Lady Gaga wore a dress made out of meat. That's right.


Right, right, right. So it was something that changed a lot to make something out.


So meat changed to make it make a dress. Right. So that's something that you wouldn't think that would make a dress. Right.


So now, as I said, made out of so interesting how man English is a tricky one, right? Because all we're doing is we're adding this one little preposition out and it's kind of changing the nuance a little bit, although you also could say my my dress is made of guitar picks. Right. You could say that. Right, right.


Exactly. And, yeah, that that is true. Right. So we're giving you kind of some distinctions, but there is some overlap as well. Right. So, again, with that with the butter example, I don't think that any of those would make me say, what are you talking about?


It's made out all the you know, like it's not right, don't you think, Linzey?


Yeah, I think that's why I think he had such a good question.


I feel like all of these are it's a hard example with the butter because they all kind of work.


Right, right. Right. I mean. Yeah, exactly. So but that's made out of like one basic distinction of it could be maybe kind of strange or shocking. Right. Like it was made out of this. Oh my gosh. Right. Do you like to like. Create crafts like that, Michelle, anything you like to make? I don't some people have a thing that they make. They just make, I don't know, placemats out of coasters or something.


And I don't do anything. No, no.


Do you make anything? I don't make anything.


I'm trying to think I like making like, you know, you can go to those cheesy websites where you submit your photos and you make a quilt out of your photos, although it's a little different because it's not exactly made out of your photos. The photos are just printed on the quilt, but it's a quilt is made out of the material. So it's a little die. Right, right. Right.


But you could say it's made out of I mean, yeah, I mean, it's a nuance, but I don't think it would be like a crazy thing to say made out.


No, I'm trying to think of a good example, but there's cool people can get really creative for. Oh my gosh. Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah, that's what I thought of all the guitar picks. Like I feel like I always see purses made of them or I don't know. Are you see you ever seen those ones where it's made out of candy wrappers or what.


A purse or what. What's made. Yeah. I've seen purses or. Oh wow. Yeah.


Very creative. Wow. Yeah.


Yeah, yeah. Exactly. So but let's get into made of. OK, ok, so this is the same idea but this might be like a little bit more general, a little bit more normal.


This is more about just created with. It's kind of like it's created with something.


Right. So for example if I say my couch is made of leather. Yes.


This is a little more mainstream is you're saying. Right. Kind of like more typical. The typical use of it. Right. Right, right, right.


Right. This is just kind of like. Oh yeah. It's it's made a little made of leather. Right.


Not a size zero life. OK, and then, you know, the clock is made of rose gold. That makes me think of actually I wonder if this one would work. My pancakes are I guess that would be better for the next one, wouldn't it be?


I'm thinking of pancakes if you I was wondering if you like pancakes with like oat flour or just regular white flour, but that's with.


So that's coming up next. Right.


Right, right. Right, right. Exactly. So yeah. Made with ANAO now again, this was, you know, from Cambridge Dictionary. So this is, you know, how I how I realized it. But they say that made with is more about food. Right. Something you're eating or drinking. So the soup is made with pumpkin lentils and broth. OK, ok.


OK, cool. So ingredients guys. Probably the more common usage between all three of these right.


Yeah. I mean Lindsey would you, would you agree with this is the sound right to you. I do. Well it's funny because before I even read what you had written in her notes, I said, oh pancakes that would be made with so viscerally. Yes, I agree. Right, right, right.


OK, good, good, good. Yeah. I know. It was kind of like oh yeah. That is right. Right.


That does make sense. That does make sense. Yeah. So what do you like to put in your pancakes.


Oh I don't, I don't, I usually just say well sometimes oh I've made them, I've made banana banana pancakes like pancakes from bananas.


Have you ever done this so good.


You mean wait. You mean bananas in the pancakes or bananas like I mean like a pancake is a banana.


OK, interesting.


It's interesting. I think it's basically I haven't done in a while. I think it's bananas and eggs, maybe some a little bit of oats. I don't remember but yeah it's, it's pretty good. You'd have to Google a recipe or something but it's so easy. It's like oh two or three ingredient pancakes and. No but I like pancakes with bananas. Yeah. I mean. Well like what about you. Good.


I like some good blueberries but obviously if I want something sweet although in the U.S. we eat huge pancakes with a ton of syrup.


So we just I just like sugar bomb ourselves over here. But yeah, I would love if I wanted to go for something really sweet, I would go for banana and chocolate chip pancakes with lots of syrup. Good stuff that now I'm drooling.


Yeah. So, so that that's. Yeah. Made with, made with is good. If you kind of you want to talk about, you know recipes, talk, share something you put.




Um I think that would, that would be very useful to know.


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And then there is one more, which is a Cambridge dictionary they mentioned made from Wright.


And so this is a little bit more, they say, about construction or they mentioned manufacturing or productions.


Right. So you could say like, oh, the bars were made from metal.


OK, OK. Yeah, OK. But this is very I mean, honestly, this one this. I'm kind of gets me because some of these really do overlap. I mean, I think that the key takeaway for today is that made out of is generally for something a little bit more unique, a little bit more interesting and made of is a little bit more general, usual and made with is for food. And then if you want to tag on that, made from can be more about like how something's really constructed.


Yeah, that's a great point.


I mean, what you guys should do now is write these down and write down five examples in your life for each one. Right. So that you immediately get it OK.


That's how we learn, especially when it comes to these nuanced prepositions.


It's tricky. We have to put your own life into these examples, OK? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.


So, again, I think some of these are very close, but there are differences. I mean, I suppose with that cake example, I would say made with the right. So if I say the cake was made of butter or made out of right, it almost makes it sound like to me the entire cake is butter, which maybe it is, but it sounds more like the actual cake rather than an ingredient. Right.


So it gives me kind of this funny image of a big chunk of butter as a cake. And so I might say it's made with butter.




That's why I was confused with the made out of pancake. You said you like your pancakes made out of banana. I was like, wait, you mean made with banana or made out of banana?


Did I say made out of. I was just confused. I don't actually remember what we said that made out of I mean, maybe in that way.


I mean like because I was talking about a food but I was talking about something unique. We'd have to go back and listen to what I said. We'd have to go back. So I guess in a way, maybe when it's kind of this funky recipe, maybe and you're like, oh, surprise, it's not what you would expect a pancake to be made out of. Normally they're made out of flour and sugar. Right. So very cool.


Very interesting. And it's such a good question from Pedro, right?


Definitely. This is great. Right, right. Right. I love it. Yeah. I mean, again, I wouldn't think much if you interchange these. This is very nuanced. I don't think anything is going to be completely wrong. But there are these small differences. So it might just be something sometimes that just sounds right and it's probably because of these general rules. So, you know, listen for the context and listen to what others say.


And, you know, now you have some general guidelines of what what you can use. OK, awesome.


Awesome. So, Michelle, should we do a role play to help our listeners solidify their learning here?


What do you think? Definitely should. OK, so here we are. We are at a farmer's market and a crafts market. And I used to love going, you know, I do in general. I love going to farmer's markets.


You get a coffee, maybe wander around, buy some veggies for the week. So good. So good.


Yeah. Yeah, me too. All right. Here we go. OK. Oh, wow.


Check out these earrings. Wow.


Oh, my gosh. It says here they're made out of shark teeth. That's shocking. Oh, yeah.


Oh, look at this food stand. Oh my goodness. Lindsay, these muffins look delicious. They're made with chocolate and pistachio nuts. Oh, let's get some.


I love the stand the table. So beautiful. I think it's made of real natural wood. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It is beautiful.


It says here that they also sell furniture and all of it is made from recycled materials. Oh, nice. Interesting. Oh that is always my downfall at these farmers markets.


The samples that's what's so great about farmer's markets is the samples and that is the best thing ever.


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Love it, love it. All right, let's go through it. Lindsy. So you are looking at these earrings and I said they're made out of shark teeth, right. So, yeah. Kind of surprising, right? Maybe they don't look like they're made out of shark teeth, but they are right. I mean, if I said made, I wouldn't say made with shark teeth because that would sound like that's like an ingredient. So that would sound a little funny to me.


But I might say made of I mean, I could but made out of I think is the most natural sounding thing here.


What do you think? Yeah. Because when you add that extra preposition, it makes it sound like something exotic is going to be named. Right.


You're talking about some kind of exotic kind of special that you'd get at a craft fair. Right. So, yeah, I agree. I think the best one is made out of. But you could say made of to. Right.


Right, right. And then what do we say with the chocolate and pistachio nuts. I'm getting hungry to have they're made with chocolate and pistachio nuts so made with. So that one is standard. Right.


Right, right. Right. And then you said I think the table is so you said. I think it's made of real natural wood, right, so, you know, we were talking made of leather, made of wood, right? I mean, you could say made from you. I mean, you could say made out of I mean, it's OK, but made of I think it's a really natural choice here.


Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. I love it. And then what's the last one Michelle made from.


It's all made from recycled materials. Right.


So this is kind of the construction here now. OK, you could have said made out of because maybe that's that's generally like one of those surprises. Right. It kind of is when you find something is made out of recycled materials, that's kind of like, oh, wow. You know, so you could have switched this one up, in my opinion. Hmm. Yeah.


So there is there seems to be a lot of flexibility, maybe more than Pedro expected. Right. When he asked the question. There's a lot of flexibility here, guys, but there are some nuances at the same time. So it really depends on your level how you want to take this episode. If you're super high level and you're ready for the nuances, then go for them. But if not, then don't worry too much about the differences. That's what I would say.


Yeah, yeah.


I think I think that's a really, really good point. Yeah. So I mean, I mean it really we gave you some guidelines here. We, you know, there's a lot of flexibility, but there are some things that kind of really can point you in the right direction, even when things might be a little bit blurry, you can kind of walk away with the correct thing. I mean, this is a really great question. Listen, for the context, always try this out.


And I mean, this is these are these are really, really good questions that our listeners are asking. I love this.


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