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Well, yeah, there was a lot going on in everybody's life this past week or so, and I was traveling to visit places, grandma, whole thing. It was just very chaotic. So at a certain point we were like, it's easier to just release one of our gems that we have saved up. I think it's the Seattle episode, one of our Seattle shows.

It's one of the bigger ones on my end. Storywise, it was a lot of research. You're going to like it if you are a fan of a very popular Krypto. Let's just. Mm hmm. Yeah.

And I went and looked at what story I had covered, and it's a doozy. So I think this is a really big upset. I'm going to listen to it as soon as it comes out just to refresh my memory of touring and just feel sad and miss you and miss travel.

I feel sad. Want while.

Well, I hope everyone enjoys it. I know we definitely enjoyed it. We also enjoyed taking the week off, to be completely honest. But that's OK. We will be back with our regular programming next Sunday. We can't wait to see them otherwise. We're going to sit back and listen to Seattle with you now.

Barack and I feel like kid about to give a presentation, but he has no idea. We just flew in from Los Angeles and boy, are my parents hired by the fact he was a one time English is my first language is tomorrow. Holmes, let me with a clown kind of show, fight, sweep during time. And that's why Jay. Hello, Seattle. Let's go inside, please. Oh, you're loud, you're like, oh my goodness.

Oh, hey, thanks for selling us out, by the way. Oh, don't show me their face. Hello, everyone. Hi. Hi. Hi. Oh, my. Well, hello. I like to say that's probably the the loudest we've ever heard before. Oh, right. And we've been to Texas, so that is saying something. That's true. Thank you, guys, so, so much for coming. We had a show here yesterday also, so hopefully we're at least equally funny tonight.

We can't, fingers crossed, anything. Yesterday I did not have clothes with me, so I did wearing Ms.

Guinevere's clothing. Well, explain that first. So well, OK. Do I have to. Well, Delta lost my baggage and so I brought it back, but well so she didn't have clothes and she was like, what am I going to do on stage? And I was like, I don't know, just wear my clothes. And so she took it literally and wore my clothes, but then decided how she was going to wear them. So she wore my underwear on top of the pants.

OK, well, OK.

I wore Eavis pants and he was a very small human. And so I was like, I got we're sitting on top of them to kind of.

So she needed my parachute underwear apparently.

So she threw that on. That was a good time, though. You look at time. Interesting. Later people were like, oh, I thought you were kidding. And I was like, you just thought I did that for fun.

No, I think L.A. is a weird place. Yeah, maybe. I mean, it is. Did you do anything. Oh, thank you. With or without my underwear. I'm sure you look beautiful to whoever you are. What did you do today?

Um, well, I was very cold a lot of the day. Yeah, it's freezing here, guys. Are we? I did feel kind of like an asshole because yesterday I went to Starbucks and I was like, well, I went to Starbucks, but I do that every day. So I need to come to, like, find a like a local coffee shop. So I did that and I was like, cool, I did my thing.

And then I got a sandwich at Panera. Oh, good. A little bit of basic that stays with you that I did go to the Jimi Hendrix statue. So that was cool. Yes. I thought I felt like that was pretty cool. So I don't know. What did you do? Well, I didn't leave the hotel because I was. Oh, good. I, I was trying really hard. The story I'm going to do is like very overwhelming with how much information there is out there.

So I was trying really hard to get it all taken care of. I've heard a hints about this. Yeah. I made a genius mistake because I don't know what that means. I was going to I got Postmus today for lunch, but I accidentally ordered from a restaurant that only serves like family style. Oh. So I ordered lasagna and I got like a pan of lasagna and wow. Did I have fun accidentally. Yeah. It was an accident that I ended up really appreciating, so I still had a good time in Seattle.

So thank you guys. So with that, let's crack into it. Yes. OK, I'm excited to see what the hell you been working on for, like four days here? Oh, guys, just so you know, if you guys went like a behind the scenes little thing about how I do my notes, I try to do if you're on a word document. I tried to make notes. I try to always make them the same length.

So I try to make it a page and a half an eight point font. Just so you know, it's really these notes what I, I got it like as down as I could. It was eight point font and 40 pages and I was like, oh shit. So I tried really hard to break this down while also giving you as much information as possible. And it is just the most overwhelming notes that I've ever done in my life. And so let's see if you get a like me in middle school where I didn't know what the fuck I was doing or me trying, who knows?

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I have anxiety. Get out of here. Not today. I'm hoping you guys will have heard of this one before. OK, it's the one you gets in the car that I told you no to. I this is the story of Sasquatch.

I knew it, I was like, no, nice try. I was like, wow, you're such an idiot, Christie, I wouldn't do that one. So there's a lot of information, obviously, but I tried to I tried to bring bring as much fun as I could into this. So we'll see. We'll see. You're the judge. So we'll just start with all the places that's been featured in movie and TV wise, because that's what has been featured.

What? Yes. Oh, OK. Yeah.

Harry and the Hendersons first, a goofy movie, which is just the which is my biggest year. It also has had features and Futurama, an original movie called Bigfoot on the sci fi channel, or as my dad lovingly calls it, the Syfy network. And of course, Animal Planet's TV series, Finding Bigfoot. Right. My favorite show. There is also a podcast called And that's why we drink that. You should listen to it. Oh, I'm not kidding.

Keep coming to the shows. There's a podcast called Sasquatch Chronicles. Oh, my. And it's been out since 2013 and just celebrated their five 100th episode 500. Yowza. And have they found Sasquatch? They have quite a lot of chronicles on Sasquatch Chronicles. OK, and they had actually I listened to a few episodes. I do recommend it is very, very good. OK, I looked up their website and the about section of their website says In November 2012, my brother and I came face to face with several of these creatures in the foothills of Washington State.

Oh, my. They surrounded our car and we could not safely leave the location. It is funny, isn't it? Yeah, I hope that happens to you on the way home. I never believed in these creatures before and this encounter deeply changed both of our lives. I decided to create a safe outlet for others like myself to discuss our unique encounters and experiences. And since our encounter, I've been investigating reports from eyewitnesses and speaking with researchers and investigators to help unravel the mystery that surrounds these elusive creatures.

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I'm just going to save my commentary for when you're actually. Oh, when I'm done with my 40 pages. OK, I'll save for page thirty eight. Thanks. So just anyway I do recommend them. There was very, very good fun to listen to. So what is Sasquatch says no one here because everyone knows. I'll tell you. Sasquatch is a cryptid in North America for folklore and specifically in the Pacific Northwest region and especially surrounding areas of Washington state, where in Washington state alone, a third of the sightings have been, oh, my, you guys are weird.

We knew that already. Don't worry. And it's I tried to there's a lot of different descriptions. I tried to make the most blanket statement description I could, OK, a muscular, upright walking ape like creature with a version of brown hair because everyone's got different color brown hair, apparently six to nine feet tall and lives in woodland regions. They have footprints that go up to two feet long and eight inches wide. Oh, my. They take long leaping bones when running and they walk with a, quote, flopping, gait, loping, moping.

Remember last night when I called it the pungent sound? Oh, yeah. If you guys were. I didn't know that is Pugin, right? Puget Sound, Puget Christ, NGOs, the pungent sound. And I was like, you don't worry, everyone. Let me know I was wrong. Oh, yeah. That's the fun of this show. I'm always wrong and everyone lets me know, so. All right. So not a lot and get a loping gait.

So apparently the closest description I could find for the face of a Sasquatch is that it's a mix of a gorilla and a human and has a round crested face that sits directly on shoulders and has virtually no neck, just kind of just head plopped right on there. You the Sasquatch weighs up to five hundred pounds and makes strange grunting, gurgling and howling noises at night.

Good. The same. Someone said the same in my hotel room. It's like a joining. And so I can confirm. Did you hear me snoring last night? No, I did hear you watching a lot of weird YouTube videos, though.

That's true. They are. Oh, they're also known. This is also you, Christine.

They're known for being accompanied by a foul smell whenever they enter a room, a good one. They have also been seen floating across the ground instead of just walking. Sometimes they're reported as lighting. And that is because of that what that part has potentially been explained by their quote. Tell me if I'm saying a wrong complaint gate, because I don't know what that is. If they are connected to primates, apparently, instead of having a stiff legged walk like humans, the Sasquatch might have a bent legged walk, which suppresses the bobbing motion.

So it looks like they're gliding instead of walking. All right. I'm just going to trust you on that. I don't really get it, but OK, they look like they're floating. That's OK. Also fun fact. Apparently, a lot of conspiracy theories that the government has known about them for decades and has facilitated capturing and murdering them, which is wouldn't surprise me. I guess that one is on one of the episodes I listen to of Sasquatch Chronicles, and it was really detailed and really creepy.

So Sasquatch versus Bigfoot because I didn't know if there was a difference. I don't either. So illuminate. Maybe they all do. And I'm sure that he does, though I can tell he knows a lot. So. So Bigfoot is actually just an umbrella term for human like giants. What, so it's you. Yeah. Yep. Tarantula like some of my tarantula legs. Yeah. So they are so a Bigfoot, CAMBIA Sasquatch or a Sasquatch can be a Bigfoot, but Bigfoot can be also like the Abominable Snowman.

It sounds a lot like the geometry puzzles. I don't understand. Yeah. A square one is the other but the other one. Yes. Got it. So but even though Bigfoot is a blanket term for any human giant, Bigfoot is actually a phrase that came later. OK, so which we'll get to. Don't worry. Oh great. Most areas have a version of a human like giant in their own folklore, so every area has their own type of Bigfoot.

So one of my favorites was in Turkish folklore. There's a cryptid called the Almaz and one of them actually ended up sleeping with a bunch of the villagers and the eighteen fifties Jurema, if only VH one had been around at that rate.

Also in Florida, apparently there's the skunk ape. What, and in Australia they have a Bigfoot called the yaoi Yasui. Right.

That's what you say when you see them. And then in Indonesia, add this. You're welcome. Also, this is another one of my favorites in Indonesia. There's one called the EBU Gogo, which actually translates to grandma who eats anything.

So that's me. So you're the big foot. And I got it. Got it. Got it. Also in the Himalayas is the Yeti or the Abominable Snowman, which actually are the same thing, apparently. OK, but in the it was only called the Yeti and it was actually up until the 1920s, also called the mezzo cangemi. Sure. Which actually translates to Manber snowman. But someone, a reporter in 1921, was trying to translate it and clearly translated it wrong.

And instead of a man, bear translated it to a very similar word that actually translates to filthy.

So for a while it was the filthy snowman and also sounds like a VH one. Yes. And then he didn't like how it sounded, so he altered it to say abominable. Oh, in fact, OK, you didn't know you were learning about every cryptid tonight, did you? Also, there's a whole lot of native tribes that have their own versions of Bigfoot. One of them is actually the origin of the Windigo. Oh, OK. Which I've covered in one of our episodes.

Yes. So in different tribes, the creatures usually signify either a bad omen, evil or death. So nothing good. Yeah. And some were some have actually been said to drag you away in the night, which was a story that they would tell children so they wouldn't leave the house when they're supposed to be asleep. I love that. I love that. That seems to be a common thread in every culture. Yeah. Just tarof terrorize your children.

So the word Sasquatch was coined in 1929 by a guy named J.W. Burns who actually took the word Sasquatch from a native word, says Kek. And it translates to Wildeman. Oh, OK. He was writing an article for a magazine compiling people's sightings of the creature and he just decided that he was going to go with Sasquatch. Doesn't really make too much sense to me. But OK, so fun fact, though. God, when he when he posted the post of the article like it's on social media, when he published the article in an actual newspaper, my God, he the art the newspaper actually came out on April Fool's Day.

So people thought that it wasn't real. And so that was just the beginning of nobody actually really ever fully believing in Sasquatch since day one that's said so since the eighteen hundreds, over 900 sets of Bigfoot footprints have been reported and there have been up to. So Mt. Rainier is actually the record holder for the amount of sightings.

They've had up to seven days. OK, OK. And mainly the reports are eyewitness reports, which is actually the weakest type of evidence, and 95 percent of them are mistakes and hoaxes. Shocker. In 2007, there was an article in a survey that said that 16 percent, I believe 16 percent of people absolutely believe in Bigfoot, while 14 percent, only 16. That's a lot in my mind. I'm like a thousand people. So at the half, but and also forty four point forty four percent of people are open minded to it.

So that that's a lot. I mean, that is a lot. But 16 percent are like. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And then forty four percent of people are open minded to the idea if there's ever holy. OK, so this year alone, there's already been 16 sightings. And also there's a whole lot of stories on Reddit, which I well, I was trying to find some really good Sasquatch stories on Reddit and there were too many and I got overwhelmed.

So read them yourself. So a majority of sightings include the Sasquatch creature either dodging their car when they try to, like, hit it once. Apparently, they get scared and think it's like a deer and then like they think that they like they're too close, but hit it. Well, if you're too close, I think they're afraid of, like, stopping and flipping the car. So they try to apparently they notice that dodging cars, OK, climbing trees, bathing in ponds.

The whole spectrum or my favorite is a lot of people see it running and screaming at the same time.

Yeah. That's me when I run, so I can only imagine I was going to say a lot of a lot of these things like hit really close to home. Yeah, yeah. So in 1811, we're always back in April. OK, David Thompson is the very first person to discover a Bigfoot track. It's a footprint that. And he is here tonight. Yes. And he is the footprint he found was 18 inches long and did not belong to a bear.

And up until he tried sharing with people, nobody until you try it, he put it in a newspaper. Nobody knew what track it was. OK, so that was the beginning of the bear, the barefoot the Bigfoot saga. OK, he thought it must be a giant because apparently I think I'm doing it right. The Spokane tribe.

OK, Spokane. Like the city. Yeah, I know. But I was going to say Spokane like you did say. Well, you really I said pungent yesterday. I know. I don't know what I'm doing. Why do I question anymore. So he thought it must if it's not a bear. His next thought was it must be a giant because apparently in the area that he saw it, the Spokane tribe believed that there were giants living in that area because interestingly, they have some story that goes all the way back saying that a big giant like human was stealing all of their salmon when they would sleep.

Oh, that sucks. So it turned into a sorry Regulus. It does legitimately. I'd be really pissed. And so I love Sam. And he thought maybe it was a giant. In the 40s, a Protestant missionary reported also seeing giants in the area. And in 1847, a guy named Paul Kane wrote a story about a Schocken Don't Look At Me, which is a supernatural, cannibalistic, wild man that lives in Mount St. Helens. What's so apparently a scam is a type of Sasquatch and a Sasquatch is a type of Bigfoot.

OK, got it. The little branches following Śiva write that down because I will not remember it later. OK, thanks. So in 1870, a hunter saw a sasquatch scattering his campfire remains and printed a story in the newspaper. Everyone just printed stories that once they fell and I paid for a journalism degree. I'm the fool here. It's just like not put in the newspaper. In 1884 in British Columbia, there was a news article of a group of men that saw, OK, hey, hey, we're going there tomorrow.

Oh, we can't talk about me in Canada right now because we don't want to derail too hard. Everyone's head will explode. I'm so excited. So in a British Columbia news article, a group of men saw a creature by the railroad tracks and they said it was, quote, something of a guerrilla type with thick, glossy black hair. They named it Jacko. Oh, that's cute. And then they ran it over to a on top of a bluff and then knocked it on the head with a rock.

What? Why? But they I don't know, because eighteen eighties was a fucked up time. Well I mean I'm not going to deny that I guess so they wrote about that saying it looked like it was a baby sasquatch.

What. Yeah. In 1893. Theodore Roosevelt. Oh boy. Where is this going. I don't know. He wrote into a publication called The Wilderness Hunter and he wrote about a story that he heard from a drunken old mountain hunter named Bowman. Sure. But apparently even he was open minded to the thought and he wanted to publish a story. So we did after that. So all the way through the eighteen hundreds people keep seeing this creature. And so by the end of the eighteen hundreds, people are just taking the Sasquatch sightings super seriously and are now blaming everything left and right for sasquatches.

So I love that game. That's well in 1910 in Nardini Valley, Canada, which apparently is not too far to go. I don't know. I'm going to open my mouth. I'm famous. I guess I Nardini Valley to miners were found there dead with their heads cut off. OK, and for no reason at all, Sasquatch was to blame. Which is like really lucky for the guy who like little. Yeah, but there was no it wasn't even suggested that it wasn't like a human that they were just like they only one explanation, like the cops got there on like that's that's the work of a Sasquatch if I've ever seen it.

Oh.

So nowadays Nardini Valley is now known and the name was officially changed to Headless Valley. Are you serious? Yeah. OK, so then the 19 in 1924, all of a sudden a bunch of stories come out for some reason that's like the year of the Sasquatch, so famously so, yes. So in 1924, a guy named Albert reported actually being kidnapped and taken hostage by a family of Sasquatch, a family, a whole family. So the father, the father and daughter guarded him while the mother and son prepared meals once.

And at first he was afraid that he was also going to be part of the meal. But then he found out that they were vegetarian and were just keeping him as a pet and tried to feed him their vegetarian diet. And that's the first use of magic mushrooms requests. That is bonkers. I'm sorry.

So and also in 1924 there in the newspaper, of course, again, there were five miners that actually claimed seeing several sasquatches throw rocks at them and try breaking into their cabin in the middle of the night. Cool. Apparently, they screamed, quote, like a bunch of apes. And the next morning they went out and found a foot long footprints. OK, ok, OK. In that following, I know it's it's quite a like I told 40 pages of this.

No, I'm buckled up. I'm ready. So and from the 1940s to the 1960s, there were several reports that started coming in of people having close encounters, like people saying like they had to grab their child off the playground because a Sasquatch tried to get them like wild things in 1958. This was when the term Bigfoot actually came out because one guy named Jerry was a construction. It always starts with a guy named Jerry. I was like that kid, everyone, I'm telling you.

So Jerry was a construction worker, and while he was working on a site, he found a massive footprint. He decided to actually make a cast of it in the hole and then bring it to a newspaper office and be like, this is what I found. Look how big this footprint is. He was he prepared. He was like, no one's going to believe me. I'd better make a cast. So then he goes to the newspaper office and he says, look at how big this thing is.

So then they take a picture of him next to it because it was apparently like half the size of him. Oh, it was a big foot, OK. Oh. Oh, it is. So I get it. Then they took a picture and posted it in the newspaper and the text under the picture said New Sasquatch found. It's called Bigfoot. And that was then how the name big. Very clever. Got it. Oh, I heard one clap and I was like, OK, I really I really got them there.

Someone's excited, but, uh, apparently the giant foot that he found the footprint, not the giant foot on the playground, he found all the children screamed. So apparently so his boss's name was Wilbur. And Wilbur had a brother named Ray. OK, right. So we fucking hate Ray. So do we do so Ray. Everybody hates since the 50s. I got you. Everyone hates Raymond. So I tried. You should have a comedy show.

I don't think so. So Ray's so Ray in the 50s when when Bigfoot was coined and this this big foot was found, apparently he hid the secret for a long time, but he only died a couple of years ago and his kids admitted that for decades Ray would go around with big like man made footnoting. Oh, yeah. And he would intentionally throw people off. And one of the footprints that he made was the one that Jerry found and Bigfoot was coined after.

OK, that said for Jerry. Right. But keep in mind, that information came out recently. So it's in the 50s. Everyone was like, oh, shit is a Bigfoot.

So wait, so what kind of psycho is he's had a lot of free time being like, I'm just going to stomp around in these giant shoes. He had a he had a hobby. That's all I can say about him. I mean, don't we all. I guess so. In 1967, this is when Bigfoot like this was like the real time where everyone actually was starting to believe that that was nineteen twenty four. Nineteen twenty four is when all those stories really started pouring in.

Nineteen sixty seven people were on board, were really questioning whether or not it was around. So in 1967 there were two guys named Roger and Robert and they actually caught a Sasquatch allegedly on film. But I thought they caught it. No cage, no like film. That got it. And this is probably the most iconic video of Bigfoot. This is the most well, not like this, where he's where he is walking in the woods. And that's the one you guys you wouldn't understand.

So it shows. A hairy humanoid figure walking through the woods, looking at them for a second and then continuing walking just like that, just like this, to this day, nobody has proven that the film was fake or doctored, even though it was a film in the back in 1967. So so they've had a while to try to prove that it's doctored and they haven't been able to. Skeptics say that it's a costume. It's just someone walking around in a gorilla suit.

But if you pay close attention to it, now that the, you know, enough time has passed and they've been able to see they can when I watch the video and a lot on a clearer screen, I don't know technology.

It sounded good to me. It doesn't look pixilated. It's very clear. And apparently you can tell that it is too realistic for someone to have been walking around in for a costume because underneath the skin you can see muscle movement. You can even see a tumor on its right leg. What things that that was lab things like a costume would probably have a tumor. There was like it's very like there's so much detail to it that in 1967, OK, it would have been a really expensive costume.

So I imagine so one anthropologist, this is a large quote. But when asked about it, when asked about that video. Yeah. He said it's easy to say, oh, it looks like a man in a first suit until you see a man in a fur suit because you can actually see not just could have said that, you know, I mean and I don't have a look. I told you I'm quoting him. I don't want to be responsible for that.

You can see muzzle movements. You can see the shoulder blades slide under the skin. You can see tendons attaching to joints and so forth. The clarity is really much better than most people have acknowledged in the past. We worked with a motion and gait analysis lab and brought in an actor who coached and who coached them in order to simulate the posture that was exhibited by the creature in the video. And he was not able to do anything anywhere closely approximate to the posture of the body, the angles of the joints and so forth.

So I have a question. Yeah. Is that guy always on the History Channel being interviewed? I don't know. Maybe I didn't. I feel like he's definitely an expert witness for anyone who has the kind of out there. Maybe, I don't know, maybe that's his career. Well, so after that movie came out, sightings skyrocketed in Washington State. You guys really ran with it.

So, in fact, tell me if I'm wrong. I know you will say, oh, shit, it auto corrected. Now, I really don't know what it's called. Just tell me really quietly. No. Oh, I'm just going to say a county of county. OK, auto. Correct. Made it say stamina county. I know that's not right. It's whatever that one was. Yes. Manea Sure. That county we heard it, they're county commissioners actually in the 60s, put in an ordinance in place to protect sasquatches and keep people from hunting them.

So in 1969, a law came out saying willful slaying of such a creature shall be deemed a felony and you're going to be either charged five years in prison and or a ten thousand dollar fine. It has since been amended use of their time. I know it is since been amended to a gross misdemeanor. So it's either a one thousand dollar fine or a year in jail. The real reason that they put this in was because since so many people were stoked about asking for it, they were afraid that someone was going to try to find some real Sasquatch and hunt one and accidentally kill like a hunter in camouflage.

Yeah, like kill somebody else. So that's why they also put another amendment that if you do happen to kill a Bigfoot and one day it is legally recognized as a human, they will charge you for homicide. So they're like, just wait. So they're like, don't kill them. That podcast will someday figure this out, right? And we'll get there. So in the 1970s, it Sasquatch has now become a mainstream character in media. And there were three big scary movies that came out starring Sasquatch, the legend of Boggy Creek, Creature from Black from the Black Lake and the capture of Bigfoot.

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So by 1980 there were over 400 reports and these were some of my favorites. So Glenn Thomas reported walking through the woods when he spotted a family of Bigfoot. There were they were digging through a pile of rocks and eating the small animals that they found underneath. They were vegetarian verson. Everyone's got a story. OK, maybe maybe though the vegetarians were doing that by choice, it wasn't natural to them.

It was no choice. OK, got it. So investigators went back later and found when they found out that a bunch of big boats were like taking all these holes, they're like, OK, let's go see if that actually happened. Yeah, they went back to the spot and there were actually thirty holes that have been dug up. Oh. And all the boulders that were moved that would have been needed to have moved to dig the holes. They were over 250 pounds each.

Oh. So for something, something really strong, this guy was running around moving them by himself. Right. OK, so this was a description of their sound that they really are you are you going to make the sound? No, I was I just wanted to warn myself. No, I don't want to hear it. I would just like I am vetoing this decision me to screw you guys. I don't want that in my ears. The it's described as their deafening screaming, choking, belching moan from from the top of a mountain, the kind of scream that sends mothers scurrying to find their children, the kind of scream that no cougar or bear could ever squeeze from their throat unless it was their last.

What the fuck? A piercing, echoing, guttural and single, horrible, high pitched, throaty, inhuman, unnatural creation from Steven Spielberg that makes your skin crawl.

What, so it sounds downright awful? No, we're not going to do I wouldn't even know how to sew it. Nobody apparently does, because that sounds horrific. So then the last report that I really enjoyed was there was a guy named Stan, and he says that he he says that he first met a Sasquatch when he was a little boy. And every day after school, he would meet the Sasquatch in the woods and talked with him about the kids at school.

OK, which sounds way fine. I can imagine going up to this guy being like, bitch, guess what Chelsea fucking did with Chelsea. You mean Megan? Oh, and Megan, I know not to be sorry. Chelsea was the name of my bully, so yeah, not to derail, but I did just literally last night watch an episode of Bobsledders where Tina befriends a goose and keeps telling the goose about all her boy problems. And it sounds exactly like that.

Yeah. No wonder I identify so strongly with her. So here are some of the things that they found that is considered proof of Sasquatch in nineteen eighty two. There are they found dermal ridge impressions that were discovered on the footprint cast, which are the lines in your feet that open up for paws and stuff like that. Oh, and they moved horizontally from teal from toe to heel, which is the opposite of human beings, and they were thick and calloused.

So unless someones are really good, like, ah, I mean, it sounds like Ray was pretty talented. Yeah. Right.

There's also further proof that in 2007 there's an organization called the Bigfoot Field Researchers organization, and they released pictures of a juvenile Bigfoot, which some people said it looked kind of like a bear, but they were able to prove that it also looked a lot like a chimpanzee and people really don't know what this animal is, OK? Also, in 2000, there was one cast of a creature that instead of it just being a footprint, they made a cast of a big foot lying on its side.

And they said that it had recognizable impressions of a forearm, thigh and buttocks, Achilles tendon and heel. Oh, dear. It was 40 to 50 percent bigger than a normal human. And it was an anatomy unknown for any animal. So they don't know what it was, but I know what it was. It was a Bigfoot, probably.

So scientists main theories of Sasquatch possibly being real is that it could be an evolved version of the species called giganto Gigantor Politicus. Yep, right. But their fossils have only been found in Asia and they walked on all fours. So that's the argument there. The only way that they could actually be Bigfoot is if they somehow migrated without showing any fossil record and also learned to walk on two legs. They could Bigfoot could also be a descendant of the parent trappers, which would explain that it does walk on two legs and it's its gorilla like skull.

But those fossils have only been found in Africa and have been extinct for hundreds of years. So, OK, the next argument that actually says like Bigfoot is not does not exist is that after all these years, we found no Bigfoot DNA, no fecal matter, no nests. And professional trackers can never guarantee tracks where they should be in a heavy bipedal primate foot toes should splay apart and the soul should be rough and cracked. But all of the footprint casts that people have found are that the souls and the balls of the feet look like really soft, smooth human feet and the toes are close together.

So instead of like stepping in dirt, the toes splaying, they're all always like a perfect foulk. Also, no big foot bones or bodies have ever been found to date. And some people have tried to argue that, saying that Bigfoot is supernatural and will not like their bodies. Yeah. Or that also the fact that now that we all have cameras in our pockets 24/7, why haven't there been an influx in recorded sightings? And there's like TV shows about it.

Right. And samples that have been sent to labs claiming to be Bigfoot DNA have come back as camel elk. Cow, porcupine. Oh, my. And unknown. But the alien animal I like porcupine. The camels coming from. We'll get there. Don't worry. Oh good. And also unknown. So a lot of people think, oh unknown means that it's unidentifiable and it could be an animal you've never heard of, but that usually in a lab means that it's just contaminated or too degraded to degraded.

Degraded. Right. Yeah.

OK, I was like did I. Is that it's not a joke. No. I mean we have together that I forgot. No, it's basically like it's broken down. I can't it can't be analyzed by the lab. I got in one time they thought they finally found Bigfoot blood, but it was transmission oil.

So that was a dead end and then a guy named Phillips, who is a cultural anthropologist, he said what it takes to maintain any species, especially a long live species, is a breeding population. So that requires a substantial number spread out over a fairly wide area that can find sufficient food and shelter. And the fact that this is all somehow been hidden by the investigators or from investigators. That's really troubling. But an NPR interview with Jane Goodall, actually, she said in 2002 and 2004, her one time.

Did you? OK, here's the thing. Sorry, I must be really sure. Go ahead. So I met her one time, but it was so wild because I was with my brother back in D.C. and we ran into her and she was holding a stuffed gorilla. And we were like, there's no way that's actually like why Miss Jane Goodall, you are like, we must just be inventing this. And we said hi and whatever it was her.

But she was literally walking around with this stuff.

Good for her. Yeah. So like, if I'm just saying she lives up to exactly what you would picture of it. Well, she was very lovely also. But anyway, she well in 2002 and 2012 she said that she definitely believes that they could exist in hopes that one day there's proof that she really believes they exist, that they could exist, OK? Oh, that they could. OK, so really quick. I want to say some of the more famous hoaxes of Sasquatch.

So there's one guy named Tom Biscardi, Thomas Tom Biscardi, not Tom Boccardi. I thought you said Thomas. No, I'm sorry. I did say it. We are Tom Tom Biscardi. He's the CEO of a company called Searching for Bigfoot. Oh, wow. He announced that he had captured Bigfoot. Oh, boy. And that he was selling tickets for people to see it. Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. But there were no bodies that there was no Bigfoot bodies at all, even though he said that he had them after people bought tickets so they'd show up maybe like, where the fuck is this Sasquatch body?

What? So he tricked everyone. Well, how did he he just he just said, oh, there's a body, come see it. And then they'd show up and they'd be like, where's? And he'd be like, never mind succah. Oh. So he didn't even play it off. It just was like, okay, bye. So then in 2008, a guy named Rick and his friend Matthew, they posted on YouTube that they found the body of a dead Sasquatch.

Oh, gosh. And the story actually was so popular that major news networks tried to go to the building to check out the body. And then the body ended up being examined and the hair was not real. The head was hollow and the feet were rubber. So it was just but they tricked, like every major news network. I kind of love that part. That's fun. Well, Rick makes a comeback almost seven, six years later in 2014.

He says, OK, guys, this time I actually have a Bigfoot here. Guys, believe me, I'm not lying to you. So he says he killed a Bigfoot, which, by the way, is illegal, which, by the way, someday will be homicide. Right. And he had scientific tests performed on the body. He said that it's the real deal. It's Bigfoot. And I shot it and now I'm proving it to the world.

And he said he didn't want to just show it. He wanted to actually go on tour with the body, for God's sakes. And so he went on a North American tour and apparently showed everyone the body. He released photos of it and a video of it, but never released any tests or biological samples. And then eventually he admitted that the corpse was a hoax, a hoax, and he had paid someone to actually build it for him after he had already gone on the tour and taken everyone's money.

Oh, great. And so those are the three most famous hoaxes, apparently beyond Ray in the big footsteps. I was going to say that seems like the OG hoax, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he known actually as the father of Sasquatch or the father of Bigfoot. Really? Yeah. Because he was I mean, yeah. Currently he was the one who did most of the stomping around grand kids who were like guys. Sorry, we have bad news.

Right, for everybody. Well, in 2013, Zupanc Bank, which is an organization that assigns species names, actually approved Sasquatch to have its official classified species named deer as homo Sasquatch, US very original. They also said that it is officially acceptable that if you're going for a plural form of Bigfoot, Bigfoot and a big feet are both appropriate. They're both grammatically correct. Why do you put that in there? Because I was wondering so and also because Washington State is home to more Sasquatch sightings than any other area.

There have been a few attempts now, but there is a Senate bill trying to pass a law making Sasquatch, Washington's state emblem and state cryptid to get you guys also state license plates with Sasquatch on it.

Mark my words, if you get a Sasquatch license plate, I might. Move here for real, because that is so cool. So I'm sorry that was so fucking long because my story is never that long, but that was the best I could do at Shoven, everything together. But that was the story of Sasquatch. Thank you, Mr.. That was very good. Well, I mean, I really like that the week you I didn't really know much about Sasquatch, so I know everything about Sasquatch.

I think we both know too much now. Anyway, thank you. And now it is Christine's turn. Hey, guys, so. Oh, my story. Hello, so my story yesterday, I feel like it was kind of dark, so this one's just like just weird, so much like yours. Just a well, good story. Buckle up, guys. So this is the story which you probably won't know. You probably won't. You definitely won't probably cheer anyway.

We have anxiety. I was going to say not yet. I haven't told you yet. And be quiet. Just pretend like you're really excited. OK, this is the story of the kidnapping of George warehouser.

Whoa. Thanks, guys. OK, so this is a wild ride, so everybody get ready. So the warehouser company is one of the world's largest private owners of Timberland's Timberland's Timberland's Timberland's are the shoes. I don't know Temes. Well, they're not the shoe I'm talking about. Like the wood. Oh, I got them owning or controlling more than twelve point four million acres of timberlands in the US. The company was founded in nineteen hundred by Lumberman Frederick Warehouser and still exists today.

But we're back where the story takes place in the 1930s. Got it. Which is right after the company was built. And at that point they had no. That's wrong. Pretend I didn't say that you guys wanted a live episode and you're like, what does that entail? And it's a lot of us not knowing what we're doing. Right, that this story plays to takes place in the 1930s right after the company built what was then the world's largest sawmill in Longview, Washington.

All right. Yes.

So needless to say, this is a very successful company and at the time was a hugely successful company. So we're going back to May 24th. Nineteen thirty five. George Warehouser is the nine year old grandson of the company's founder, Fred, nine year old nine year old boy. Yep. And he is released from school for lunch earlier than usual. And just like he does every day, he walks to meet his sister and at the school she goes to, which is the nearby Annie Wright Seminary.

And, oh, wow, I didn't expect that. Cool. Cool, cool. The family had a chauffeur, same also me that usually met the kids at the seminary to drive or at the school to drive them home for lunch. And so he would go and meet a sister and then they would both get in the car and drive home for lunch. Got it. And keep in mind, they're like one of the wealthiest families in the region.

So same. Oh, ouch. OK, but so because he had gotten out of school 15 minutes early, he decided he'd rather walk home than wait for his sister. So he decided to walk home alone. So nine year old George, at some point on his walk back home was kidnapped. So it didn't take long for the family to notice he was missing and they immediately notified police. But nothing came of it until that evening when a special delivery letter arrived at the warehouser home.

The letter demanded two hundred thousand dollars. And also, keep in mind, we're in the 30s since the Great Depression. Two hundred thousand dollars like a massive quantity of money today, that's three point five million dollars. I did that math in my head, I, I didn't, but we can pretend. Yeah. So that's like a massive, massive quantity of money. So the letter demanded two hundred thousand dollars in unmarked 2010 and five dollar bills if they wanted George back.

And on the back of the envelope was Little George, a signature to prove that they had him and that he was alive. Oh no. They told the warehouses that if they agreed to the terms, they should place a personal ad in the Seattle Post. I mean, I guess anyone could just walk and post in the newspaper. It seems like that's what was going on then. Yes, I guess doesn't surprise me any more, but that they should place a personal ad in the Seattle Post Intelligencer.

Uh huh. Signed Percy Minnie. And that was supposedly like the secret code. Will you please keep it down? That was supposedly the secret code that would signal to the kidnappers that they agreed to the terms. What was it? I'm sorry? What was the code? So they had to sign the the personal ad pursey mini. I got it like a fake. Got a got basically. Yeah. So the family did place oh they placed three ads in the paper over the course of several days and like waiting to hear back and finally.

Oh and at that point they'd already told the FBI, so the FBI was already on it. This is obviously like a high profile case, hugely wealthy, successful family in the area, a lot of money, et cetera, et cetera. So on May twenty nine, five days after the kidnapping, the family finally received another letter. This letter instructed Georgia's father to register at the Ambassador Hotel in Seattle, where he would await further contact. And so that's all they got at that point.

So there was also a note from George in the envelope and it basically said like, hi, mom and Dad, I'm safe. And just saying, George. Oh, yeah. So they were like, OK, we got to keep moving forward with this. So the same night that that same night that they got the letter, Daria's dad went to the hotel, booked a room, waited and waited. Finally, a cab driver arrived with a letter for him and the letter told him to drive to this secluded spot.

So he followed the instructions. And when he arrived, he found sticks driven into the ground with a white cloth attached and a message directing him to another white sign. And when he got to the second white sign, there was no further message. So he waited. And he waited and waited and waited. But after two hours he heard nothing. So he was like, I guess I'll just go back to the hotel instead of standing out here for hours.

The next morning, he received a phone call at the hotel from an anonymous caller who yelled at him for not following the instructions. And he was like, I did. I went to the second flag and they right there was another note. And he was like, I didn't see the other note. And they were like, You didn't look hard enough. Silly goose. Yeah, they, like, bickered back and forth. I was like, oh, come on.

Like we put it very obviously and he's like, I didn't find anywhere. I was there for two hours. So basically he was like, well, I didn't see it. So there's nothing I could do. So they were like, OK, fine, wait and we'll get back to you. Well, let's try again. The biggest disaster ever. So on that same night, around nine forty five pm, a man described as having a, quote, European accent, which Toño what the hell that means called, um, where is he.

Oh, here he is. OK, even though he's described as having a European accent, he called and he told Warehouser to go to an address and there he would find a tin can. Oh my God. It's like the worst scavenger hunt ever. Then then you'll find a piece of glass. Yeah. A point that it'll be pointing in a certain direction. And that's what this is. So the note was inside the tin can and the note would direct him from one can to another can and then that can direct him to another can.

I'm not even kidding. And it would distract him from Cantante can. And then ultimately he ended up on a dirt road off of a highway where he found a final note saying, wait in your car. Oh, by the way, he's like driving apparently. So it was like drive to this point, then drive to this point. So he's driving to Seattle. Ultimately, he finds a no. This tells him to wait five minutes in the car with all of the inside lights on for five minutes and watch the clock, which is terrifying in the middle of the night.

By the way, also at this point, I was kind of reading these notes like, where's the FBI like? Right. I don't know. They're aware and like, letting this happen. It's just kind of like sitting in his car with all the lights on. This just seems very dangerous. Whatever. So he's just I guess that's just what happened back then. OK, I wasn't there. OK, so he's sitting in the car with all the lights on and then it said after five minutes, you leave the car with the ransom money in the car.

So you count to five minutes and you leave the car with the money inside the car and then you walk back towards Seattle and OK.

Does he get his car back? No, that's not part of the plan. OK, so they're like, you just leave your car there and you walk back towards Seattle. And then if the kidnappers determine that the correct amount of money was inside the car, then he would get his son George back within 30 hours. OK, so he only walks about 100 yards down the road back towards Seattle. When he heard a noise from the bushes, a man ran out, got in the car and drove away with the ransom money.

So he was like, OK, at least that part was true. I guess at least I followed all the instructions this time. Yeah. And it seemed it seemed like they were a little happier than the first scavenger hunt he went on. So now, obviously, all the family could do was wait. So less than two days later, on June 1st, nineteen thirty five, George walked in the front door of the warehouses home safe and sound.

He had been driven there by a family from Issaquah, Washington. Yeah, yeah. OK.

I thought maybe that one would get some somehow someone who's, uh, OK, so go to Washington, who had taken him in the middle of the night, had taken him in not they had taken him. He'd already been taken by somebody else. Right. So this family had taken him in in the middle of the night after he was dropped off by the kidnappers so that his family was like, hey, they showed up at the house and we're like, hey, we found your son.

He wandered into our home, got. It's true, he literally wandered into their home. I'll tell you all about it. So, OK, so we know what happened from the warehouser perspective and from the police perspective. But we have not heard about what happened from George's perspective. And now that he's home safe, obviously the FBI immediately interview him. And I'm now going to tell you his account of what happened to him. OK, so when he was he explained that when he left and right seminarian May 24th to walk home alone, he took a shortcut through some tennis courts.

And he as he was walking out the other side, he met a man who was around 40 years old. He had brown hair and a mustache. The man asked him for directions. And as George began to respond, the man just picked him up. I don't know what the directions part is supposed to accomplish, but picked him up, carried him to a sedan which was parked across the street and also had a second man waiting in the passenger seat.

They put George in the back seat, threw a blanket over him, and then they drove around for an hour while the men whispered up front frantically. They didn't know what the next step was. It sounds like it sounds like a string of hits like what the fuck do we do? We didn't plan this far ahead. Hey, I know I have a bunch of empty tin cans. We can we could probably scatter these all over Washington State. Oh, my God.

OK, so I can fake a European accent. I'll call. It'll be fine. I'll make a half assed scavenger hunt. And when he doesn't do it right because I fucked up, you yell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll be the bad guy. So yeah. So they drove around for an hour, like apparently whispering frantically up front. He later said the two men address each other as Bill and Harry. After about an hour, the men pulled over and removed George's blanket.

They gave him an envelope and told him to write his name on the back of it. So that was the first letter signature. Right? Then they blindfolded him and carried him 10 or 12 steps, which I just think is so precious that he told the FBI like it was either 10 or 12 steps. I know. I'm like he's like, really I don't really trying. I'm like, don't even know where I am 99 percent of the time.

So the fact that this nine year old is so like conscious of direction. So he says they walked me 10 or 12 steps and said he thinks they walked across some sort of stream. He was then placed on the ground and still blindfolded, was led by the hand through the countryside for about half a mile. Eventually, they reached a large log. And when they got there, the man who was leading, George, put him in a four foot pre dug hole.

Oh, yeah. That had been dug in the ground. So, holy shit, this is terrifying for this poor kid. Then they chained his right wrist and leg inside the hole before placing a board over it to completely cover it from above. Oh, no, the men, Bill and Harry, quote unquote, took turns guarding the hole for hours until about 10:00 that night when he heard them frantically whispering again, I can't even about just incompetent all over the place.

So apparently they were whispering and saying, well, the police might find us here. So they were like, OK, we should go somewhere else. So they grabbed George, carried him back to the car, put him in the trunk again with a blanket over him. After about an hour, they let him back through the woods in another spot where they dug another hole and put him in that one instead. I'd be like, I'm good with the car.

Like, I'll just stay in the car. There's a blanket in there. There's a blanket and cans of some chance I can I can make do there. Yeah, it's all good. Once he was in the second hole, they gave him a seat from the car and two blankets. Then they covered up the hole again with a bunch of boards. Investigators later determined that next on May 26, nineteen thirty five, the two men, this time accompanied by a woman, put George in the trunk of a Ford and drove through Washington into Idaho.

Oh, yeah, I heard one. Woo! Uh, yeah. It's not as exciting when there's just, like, terrible things surrounding the way no one wants to cheer at all.

It's like, uh, I guess it's school. Eventually they took George out of the car and handcuffed him to a tree again, watching him until nightfall when it grew dark out. They took him to a house and locked him in a large closet with a mattress, two chairs and a small white table. They kept him in there for six days in this closet on the that was the dramatic pause. Actually, I lost my place, but pretend like it was for dramatic effect.

OK, so on the sixth day, George's abductors told him that they were leaving the house. And George, because, as we've determined, is just very smart and conscientious, conscientious IT surroundings very on it. He glanced at someone's watch as they were leaving the house and saw that it was five fifty five pm. So he was able to kind of help the FBI determine at what point they were leaving. What a genius. I know he's much smarter than I am, as shouldn't surprise anyone when asked, which I'm kind of find this a little bit fucked up.

But they asked him why he didn't run away at this point. And I'm like, well, can you blame again? Because he's smart as hell. He's like, I'm dramatizing hanging out here. You're not hurting me. Yeah. Yeah. So they asked him why he didn't try to run away and he said he didn't think he had to because the men had told him he would be going home soon. Oh yeah. So poor baby. So they put him back into the trunk of the car with another blanket on top of him.

And ultimately he was dropped off at a shack near Issaquah. They stayed with him until around three thirty a.m. and they left after that, telling him his father would come to take him home soon. So at this point, it's like 4:00 in the morning and George is wandering around this neighborhood in the middle of nowhere. He walks into a farmhouse and tells the family who he was and the family takes him in, washes him up, gives them clean clothes and drives him back to Tacoma, where he's from.

So as poor, does anyone want to, like, have any ownership of Tacoma? I know.

Yeah, I know. It's such a sad story. I don't know if anyone wants to, like, announce there from any of these places. Yeah. I'm not giving you much chance to be happy. Sorry. So, Tacoma. Yeah, we. Love it, it's beautiful. OK, Suku, now we have come full circle as far as we've heard the family story, we've heard George's side of the story and remember when I was like, oh, where is the FBI?

Why aren't they involved? Apparently they were involved, but like Wikipedia didn't want to tell me until like way at the end. I see. So I was like, oh, but then I was like, it's actually kind of a fun twist because it turns out they were involved all along. Oh, yeah, super cool. So as I mentioned, the FBI joined the case pretty early on because this was like very high profile, very wealthy, important family, etc.

, etc. While the family was negotiating with the kidnappers, the FBI conducted their investigation extremely quietly so that the abductors wouldn't get spooked. When the warehouses got the ransom money ready, the FBI noted every single serial number on the bills and send them to FBI headquarters. Smart, yeah, really smart where ransom lists were prepared. So they basically wrote down every single serial number so that all over the US it would be tracked if any of them were used immediately after the kidnappers took the money, which was May 30th.

Nineteen thirty five. The list of serial numbers was sent to every FBI field office to distribute to commercial enterprises in their region, including banks, hotels, railway companies, etc.. So like throughout the whole country, one there is pretend like this is really smooth. Oh, there it is. There it is. I'm very professional. Oh, guys, I'm so happy you're here. OK. Ready for the next thing? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, me too.

On June 2nd, nineteen thirty five, a day after George was rescued, the FBI received word that one of the twenty dollar ransom bills had been used to pay for a railway ticket from Huntington, Oregon, to Salt Lake City. The FBI determined that the purchaser was a twenty three year old man named Harmon Mezze Weli. And shortly after that bill was used, many ransom bills began appearing in discount stores in Salt Lake City. So basically. One of the bills was used to get Salt Lake City and then all of a sudden the bills started popping up in Salt Lake City.

I see. So apparently there were not many FBI agents living in Salt Lake City.

Oh, living in Salt Lake City. So they were like, I guess we have to send them there. So to, like, rally the troops. FBI agents were just kind of like sent to stand in. So a lot of the bills had been used at discount stores like Woolworth's and, you know, like those convenience stores. So all these FBI agents were basically sent to be like store security and stand all day, all day at these stores and just hope they walked in.

Got it, basically. So at one point at a Woolworth's in Salt Lake City, one of the agents was notified by a cashier that a woman had used one of the bills. The woman was taken into custody and her name was Margaret Whaley, which same last name as the guy who took the train ticket, got the train from to Salt Lake City. And she was the 19 year old wife of Harmon Whaley. So that's how they determined who she was.

So Margaret was taken into the local FBI field office and investigators were able to get the whaley's home address from her pocketbook. So they show up at Harmon Whaley's house. And after several conflicting stories, he finally admits that he and another man named William Dainard, whom he'd met at the Ohio No, showed over whom he had met and was at Ohio State. That's wrong. Whom he had met in the Idaho State Penitentiary, got a very different head kidnapped George warehouser in an attempt to get money from the warehouser family.

So he's like, yeah, I did it. And also I did it with that guy, William Dainard. What? That's what he said I think of anyway. Oddly enough, approximately thirty seven hundred dollars of the ransom money was found to have been burned in the whaley's stove, but they took the ashes and sent them back to D.C., to the FBI laboratory, and they were identified as the ransom bill. So they were like you you tried they basically tried to, like, burn all the money to, like, hide it from here, OK, but it didn't work.

So to get physical evidence found in the hideout, the holes that George had been buried in and the kidnappers homes, it was examined by the FBI fingerprint identification positively linked both of the whaley's. So Harmon and Margaret and Dainard to the shack where the ransom had been divided and Herman Whaley's fingerprints appeared on all the tin cans. He really tried, though. Oh, I love that they're like the main character in the guest star of the show. Like, I can't believe it, I don't laugh at that.

I was terrible. So don't laugh at that part. Yikes, also, but they identified one of Margaret Whaley's fingerprints at the hideout, too, so she couldn't kind of escape and be like I had nothing to do with it. They found her fingerprints at the same places where George had been being held. Got it. So on June 21st, 1935, Harmon Whaley finally pleaded guilty to kidnapping and conspiracy to kidnap, landing him. Forty five years on the kidnapping charge and two on conspiracy.

After a few years in the McNeil Island Correction Center, he was sent to a brand new state of the art prison called Alcatraz Island.

Oh, yes, that was a fun little game changer. I like that. At the time, it was like very state of the art and like. Right. Yeah. You know, it's time, you know, things, how things went.

So anyway, his wife Margaret pleaded not guilty, but was sentenced to was found guilty and was sentenced to two concurrent 20 year terms in prison. So Dainard had not been caught yet. He was the guy that both the whaley's said was kind of the brains behind the operation. And he had evaded law enforcement several times. But he was ultimately arrested in Los Angeles along with the ransom money in his garage. They found various dyes and paraphernalia used to change serial numbers on money.

So he was like, can you imagine, though, he had basically the equivalent of like three million dollars and he couldn't use and he couldn't use a 20 dollar bill because that's what I would know. So he's sitting in his garage trying to, like, change the little serial numbers. Yeah. Didn't work.

Um, well, yeah. Nice try, but for effort forever. So he ultimately pleaded guilty as well, and he was sentenced to 60 year prison terms. He was eventually found to be, quote, insane. Nobody clarifies what the hell that means. But I feel like back in the day, they just kind of said that some kind of slap that on and yeah. Went on their way. It's an easy an easy out. And he was confined to a hospital.

The FBI ultimately found almost all of the ransom money and was able to return it to the warehouser family. So that was good. Some of it was in the Whaley's and Danas possession and some of it they actually found buried like throughout Washington state. And they had to kind of, wow, talk them into giving away their hidey holes. But apparently they weren't very good at hiding those anyway. So I imagine it was not too hard to find. Um, it seemed like that's just their answer.

They just dug holes and put stuff in it and then whispered frantically and then just like through cans. I don't know. It seems just like not a very thought out plan. OK, so they were all basically ended up in jail. They all basically ended up in jail. Harmon Whaley, for what it's worth, he was the first man who was kidnapped. He actually wrote to George warehouser from prison several times to apologize for having kidnapped him. He felt really terrible about it.

He's like, I just wanted the money, like I didn't want to hurt you, et cetera, et cetera. And Little George, Happy Ending eventually became the chairman of the board for the warehouser company. And then, yeah, he lived out a super awesome life. And I believe his staff. I don't know. Don't let's we'll see.

Even delete the part until you Wikipedia it later. I do believe he is still in 2001 he was inducted. Listen, dreams really do come true. I can't wait. In 2001, he was inducted into the paper industry International Hall of Fame.

Yeah, I love it. That sounds like something out of the office. I was gonna say it's the most Dunder Mifflin I've ever heard. It really sounds fake. So good for a little George. He really, really, really did it did a big with his life. Um, perhaps most poignant of all, I thought at least was when George kidnapers. George's kidnapper, Harmon Whaley, was finally released from prison at the age of 52. So he was like twenty three, I think, when he went to prison.

So got it. At 52, he was released and George gave him a job at one of the company's factories. That kid is just the best I went through. I know. Wow, I know. What a good boy. Such a good boy. What a good boy. G.O. hated. Very good. And that, my friends, is the story of the kidnapping of George warehouser. Oh. Pretty, pretty, pretty cool. Thank you, guys.

I do if you guys are OK. I do have a quick horoscope for you.

So I want to explain for anybody who's been dragged here by a significant other family member, anybody who's like, I just want to go home, I don't I don't know why I'm still sitting here. This is very uncomfortable for me. Well, we're almost done, but this is what this is. A horoscope was basically where I give unwanted astrological advice to people who can't who can't use it anyway. So you're welcome. So Herman Whaley is a Sagittarius, OK?

And so was the guy yesterday. Maybe that's a Seattle thing. I don't know. Maybe so. I have a little thing for all you Sagittarius. Is this OK today?

Sagittarius, your heart pounds with excitement. For some reason, there's a quiet voice inside of you warning that you may be getting yourself into a great deal of trouble.

Oh, oh. It goes without saying that this probably isn't a good day to make a decision of any sort. I'm here thinking may not be as rational as it usually is. Why don't you write down your brilliant ideas and return to them in a day or two when you're thinking a little more clearly and that Seattle concludes the story of the kidnapping of George warehouser. Thank you. Thanks, guys. It was hard to pick. It was hard to pick a story.

Seattle, Seattle has some fucked up stories. I watched like 11 YouTube videos of just listicle as of, like, crazy shit that happens here.

So it was a tough choice. But thank you guys for having us. I really wish you all happy to be here. Thank you so much, Seattle. We love you, Seattle. Thank you. Thank you so, so, so, so much away. And that's what we.