With the first pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Chicago Bear Select, Caleb Williams, quarterback Southern California. The Washington Commander Select, Jaden Daniels.

Quarterback, LSU.

The New England Patriot Select, Drake May. Quarterback, North Carolina. With the eighth pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, The Atlanta Falcon Select. Michael Pettix Jr. Well, there it is.

Wow.

Washington. The Minnesota Vikings Select.

Jj McCarthy. Quarterback, Michigan.

The Denver Bronco Select. Bo Nix. There it is. Wow. Quarterback, Oregon. Six for twelve. Six quarterbacks in the first dozen picks. To quote Rambo, They're all gone, sir. Prior to tonight, seven Seven offensive players to start the draft before we saw our first defensive player taken was the record, and we have doubled it. Fourteen. That record may never be broken. And you'd have to say six quarterbacks in the first twelve picks is something that will never be broken as well. From the Chris Wesling podcast studio, it's around the NFL. The 2024 NFL draft is underway, and we are through one round Tonight, we are here to recap all of the madness. And oh, my goodness, was it mad? Dan Hans is here. Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sesler. You heard it there. The Face, Rich Eisen. Nfl Network coverage of the big day from Detroit, where there were 275,000 people there. Is that a real number?I.

Believe so.I believe so. They had to stop letting people in an hour before the draft is. That possible? Two Are you 75?

Anyway, that breaks the all-time day one draft record. Mark, it was your era of pro-wrestling. The old Pontiac Silverdome, they packed 93K in forWrestlemania 3 when Hogan body-slammed Andre the giant.

I do recall that actual event.

Detroit goes big, and they did it again. Yes, six quarterbacks go in the first 12 picks. A draft record, wide receiver's go in the first round. The offensive lineman, also a heralded group, wiped out in the first round. And Greg Rosenthal, as you heard, 14 offensive players go off the board before the first defensive player. We talked about these things and the way it seemed to be shaping up, but it never goes that extreme. So this has been the draft of extreme so far.

I woke up this morning, and I was I was so excited for this draft in a way, and I thought, is this just because the Patriots have the number three overall pick? It really does seem like the most intriguing draft. A lot of juice. A lot of juice. And then for it to deliver like that, another record 23 offensive players in the first. At least speaking for myself, I'm basic when it comes to the draft. I am more interested in the skilled position players. Of course, offensive players includes all those tackles coming off the board. But I kept getting flashbacks, especially when Bo Nicks got picked back to 2011, which to was one of the most exciting drafts. 2004 was another one. And in 2011 was the one where, I believe, five quarterbacks went in the first round. Maybe it was four. And then it was Kaepernick and Dalton and Carr early in the second, too. And it was just six quarterbacks very early. This was like that, except on Mescalin or something with Bo Nicks going 12 and it going that fast.

Yeah. I mean, to have 6 go and the Raiders, for instance, not be a team that takes one of them, it speaks to the fact that a lot of teams had deep quarterback needs. There's risk there for sure. But I would look at this, the 14 consecutive players, that threw me on offense because I thought at some point you're going to get your Dallas Turner or Verse or someone in there. But nothing, I don't find the rest of it that surprising. For a month plus two months, we've been talking about huge amount of quarterbacks go, best wide receiver class we've seen in ages, and a great tackle class, our offensive line class.

It's where they go, and it's the aftershocks. The place everyone thought defense was going to go was Atlanta. I know we're going to get to all the pics, but it is these little aftershocks. It needs the little reports afterwards. You mentioned, I think it was a perfect storm. All these teams, and Daniel Jeremiah pointed out, needed offense, and a lot of them needed quarterbacks. Our guy, James Palmer, reported after the death that Seahawks, Saints, and Raiders were all trying to get up for Pennex. That's one of the reasons why Atlanta didn't feel like they could move back at all.

We had mentioned Seattle.

That many teams were in on quarterbacks. Who's we? Many didn't even get it.

Mark. Who's it? Mark, just say, I did. It's okay.

Well, because I'll say we because it's just information that was out there. I didn't talk directly to John Schneider.

You said it, and then actually, he dismissed it.Yes.

He dismissed it.Don't.

Do Royal We.Don't do Royal We. Say, I said that, and Greg, you dismissed it.

That's how the show works.I said second round.Take.

Your glory lap, Mark Sesler. I don't know. Remember, Lance Eerline, love the guy. Yeah. He hung up the phone when you Who suggested Michael Pennix could go early in the first round? I think we should start there, and we're going to get to the top of the first round, the very titty top, which went chalky, but still important for obvious reasons. But I think in all my years here with this Company, and that's a while now. I've never been more confounded and stunned by a pick like the Atlanta Falcons, brush off giving a massive contract to a 36-year-old Kirk Cousins, finally, once and for all, addressing the quarterback position that has hexed them since Matt Ryan got old and then left and eventually I was tired last week. To take Michael Pennix Jr. Eighth overall is an absolute stuner, and it's a stuner to, obviously, everyone that-What? Everyone that-What? What? Yes, I agree, Greg. Anyone that has been following this process, obviously, the Falcons weren't going to take a quarterback. It makes no sense. I want somebody to make sense of it to me. Is there anyone in this room that could help me and other people, like many Falcons fans, I presume, Absolutely Kirk Cousins, because we're already hearing reports that he was really stunned by the news and was made aware of their decision making minutes before it happened.

Why?

I have my questions about Michael Pennix as a prospect. I have been trying to lead the take your quarterbacks as much as possible. You can't take quarterbacks too much, too high, too many resources, always defending the Patriots when they would take a second-round pick on a backup, defending the packers when they took Jordan Love, a pick that got made fun of for multiple years, by the way, after they did it. This one stunned me because Pennex didn't seem like that level of a prospect, but they obviously believe in them. Then you think about the Cousins contract, and here's how it makes sense, Dan. It's a two-year contract. I think that's it. That it's a two-year contract. Pennex is being signed for a five-year contract, and they said afterwards, they being Raheem Morris, We won't be picking this high with the guy that we have, and Kirk Cousins is trying to pick up his guy. We don't want to be picking up here anymore. They plan to be a very good team starting right now, and they want to get their quarterback of the future in the building right now. I don't think it's crazy. First of all, Kirk Cousins is coming off a torn Achilles.

That's a little under the radar.

Greg, four years, 180 million. But it's a two-year contract.100 guaranteed. Two-year contract. You had made a $100 million guarantee to that man to be your quarterback.

But it's all in the first two years. They have $10 million in the third year. If he's great, then that's great. Then you have your quarterback solution. You have Kirk and you have someone behind. I don't think it's that crazy, especially when half the pics bust in the top 10 anyways. People act like it's so crazy to invest in a pick you might not use when a lot of the pics don't work.

I agree with you. I do understand if you're the-You guys are nuts. Sure, maybe. I get that there's a Falcons fan sitting out there thinking we could have taken Roma Dunze, we could have taken the best pass rusher. That's fine. That's not incorrect thinking in terms of how the draft works and how people respond. But Penix is the perfect guy to slow Cook behind Cousins for a year plus. I don't hate the idea. If he is what some people think he can be, I think this says a lot about Arthur Blank, who has been in a quarterback wilderness since they annoyed Matt Ryan by chasing after Deshaun Watson and lost Matt Ryan, and it's been an abyss since. I think it's planning for the future. People, when you draft someone in the top 10, people want someone who will start and affect games right away. I think that's where the disappointment you could come from, especially when you're going to track and see how some of these other players perform. But we don't exactly know what Kirk Cousins is at this point. It is really only a two-year situation. And you can point to Patrick Mahomes, you can point to Aaron Rodgers, you I'm going to point to Jordan Love as guys that you bring in that sit for a while, and then they shine.

I think Penix is a good candidate to benefit from that.

Now, let's point out, those are good examples, but Patrick Mahomes is arguably the greatest quarterback ever. Jordan Love coming off, obviously a big year. But in general, this is not something... This is not really how the league operates anymore. When you take a quarterback, and especially if you take him this high, he's expected to play. And that doesn't mean he should, and that doesn't mean that's a bad pick. My thinking is, if you really love this guy, Michael Penix-They do.draft him. But don't sign Kirk Cousins. Or sign Kerr Cousins.

That was months ago, though. It wasn't that long ago. I think the thing is the offseason happens in waves and in chapters. And yes, you can say these two things shouldn't have happened to the same team in the same offseason. But a year from now, six months from now, if Kirk Cousins is injured, this looks great.

So you hedged your bets on Cousins. But you didn't really because you paid him like a superstar.

But Cousins is a short term veteran solution to quarterback.

Let me tell you this also.

It was 10 years ago, I have a problem.

He's turning 24 in two weeks.

I think that's a good point.

Unless Cousins is a disaster, an injury riddled disaster, which is possible, he's not even touching the field now as he's edging into his late 20s. It doesn't make sense to me. It's weird. Here's the thing. When you do invest, we can talk about all this thing like it's not a long term signing, but it was a major signing for this organization. When you invest that much in a player like Cousins, you're expecting him to be there for two years at least. Then if he's playing at a high level, maybe beyond that. Then what you do, like my team, the Jets, you need to, with this window that you just opened with Kirk Cousins, you got to build around him right now. You have a chance to bring in the guy that goes off next off the board, Roma Dunes. That would have been a very logical move for them. Now, does Michael Penix Jr. Turn into a stud? Maybe. But here's the other thing. He is a very raw prospect, and it's a total... Why? At the very least, Greg, my last point on this, then I'll shut up.

No, I think this could move back. Move back. Well, I don't think they could based on that James Palmer.

If he's not there, if When you're not there, it's not like you're left holding the bag. You still have Kirk Cousins in the building. You could take a gambit and say, Maybe we can make it work out. It was overly aggressive, and I think it speaks to a lot organizationally in the last few years. I don't think they know what they're doing, ultimately.

Well, I disagree. Everyone's saying, Oh, this is a ready-made team. I don't think they're there yet. But you're saying you got to hit this window right now. It's like, I want to applaud teams that value the quarterback position correctly. The reason they're making all this money is because it's worth so much more than the rest. So I don't think you can invest too much in the position. And the idea that we want to set our franchise up for eight years, for 10 years, to be good at the moment that Kirk Cousins inevitably starts to decline. He's not going to be a great player at 38. He might not be a great player this year at 36. That's another conversation. And so you try to set up a situation, and Rahim Morris said it. He said, We took note of the Green Bay model. They were looking at that. It does make you wonder, and you were talking about-It's a different situation, Greg.

Aaron Rodgers is a franchise legend that was there forever. Sure. Whereas Kirk Cousins, someone they sought out two months ago.

The point is, though, I don't think it's It's crazy. I know the Patriots didn't use a first-round pick, but they used multiple seconds to back up braided. The position is just so valuable that you almost can't spend too many resources on it. I have some issues just with Pennex as a prospect. Seems very divisive, not incredibly accurate, like a great arm, an old-school quarterback, like Kirk Cousins is in a way, but more like a Joe Flacko type of model.

That was Daniel Jeremiah's comp for him.

I totally see that when watch him. He gets super hot. He's a big time arm. He's a pocket passer. The player, I don't know. But the process, I like it. You mentioned the age. A couple of people hit me up on Twitter with that, too. It's like, well, but you're thinking about the next seven or years. What's wrong with a quarterback coming in when he's 26 years old? You're thinking about a guy that's going to try to last for a while. And I actually like the Atlanta Falcon's thinking long term, thinking a little differently process-wise. I I just hope Pennex is a good enough player to make them look-Right.

You also need him to hit the ground running like Jordan Love. Wait, but that has to be a polished player when he gets there or you lose-Wait, but Jordan Love was as raw as it gets, and he looked totally unready for multiple years. You need him. That's hard to do. What the packers have done, and they've proven it now over 25 years, they know how to do this. The Falcon saying, We want to be like the packers with this. You need Penix not only now to likely sit for two years. When he enters the fray, he needs to immediately be a difference maker. And if he's not, if it takes him a couple of years, guess what?

His rookie deal is almost over. Well, and it's also like 65% of other draft picks in the first round that don't work. I mean, it's like, I don't have a problem with this. And this is another outlier scenario, but it reminds me a little bit of when the Cowboys under Jimmy Johnson drafted Troy Akemen. Terrible first season, team was terrible. The next year, they go out. Jimmy Johnson turns around and draughts Steve Walsh, his former college quarterback, totally agitated Troy Akemen.

Who was his guy, Jimmy Johnson's guy. He wanted Walsh to win that job. But then they turned around and they had two quarterbacks.

Troy Akemen is developing. The team is getting better. They turned around and traded Steve Walsh, who really never did anything as a pro for a lot. I'm just saying that's another thing you could do at some point is move Michael Penix. It's just a possibility.

Or move Kirk Cousins.

Or move Kirk Cousins. But there's one other thing about this version of the Falcons that I like is that no one knew this was coming. There's no leaks inside building. I mean, we knew there was reporting that they liked Penix a lot. We've known that. But no one saw this coming. Everyone, not a single soul.

Rapsheet had it in the hour before the draft. Give credit to him. He didn't say it was definitely happening, but he pretty much threw it out there. Don't be surprised if Pennex goes to the Falcon. So right before the draft, and that was the first I had heard even one person mention that.Stunning. The problem is, though, they are human beings here, and you mentioned the cousin's part of it. So our guy, Rapsheet reported he got a call while the Falcons were on the clock to let him know. But DJ and then also the athletics, Dianna Racino, got to mention the agent. It was a surprise. Coming into tonight, Cousins had no idea. I think they used the word stunned. These are two people, and Cousins especially, that are going to have to go and work together. Cousins is coming off an injury, so I don't know if he's not going to be ready to be on the field right now. When they go to OTAs in a couple of weeks, it's going to be Pennex with the starting team.

That'll be his moment for the next couple of years. He'll have that OTA in the spring of 2024.

Well, it's a little awkward because you did mention if he going to be ready. The funny thing about Pennex is he should be about as ready as anyone. He started 48 games over five seasons in college.

But he's not ready. He's not going to play for him.

But what I'm saying is-You got a guy ready to play that's not going to play. I'm saying he might. I think it's been a little-Who's crying for Taylor Heineke, Greg?

Taylor Heineke, who took a hometown discount to stay with the Falcons, take the next bus, next Greyhound bus.

We got to move on.

All I mean is just...

But you two are not... You're never going to agree. Dan, you're not going to agree with Greg. It's not so I don't like the move.

I just wanted to point out that no one's brought up the fact that Why are we assuming Kirk Cousins is ready for week one at 36 years old, coming off a torn Achilles? It's like the human body. I would say in recent years, players that have that injury are ready.

Now, he could have a setback or whatever.

Well, they didn't give him that money thinking he's not going to be ready, too.

I'm just saying.

Maybe there's something we don't know about Cousins, and maybe he had a setback. Maybe there's something more to the story. But my last point is, I don't think... Cousins, obviously, isn't happy. I don't think Michael Pennix is happy either. He's happy as a first-round pick, but he went somewhere he's not going to play. That's not great either. If you see him when he picks up the phone, you could see in his mind, he's like, Wait, what's going on? His agent probably was like, All right, you're going to the team that just signed a guy for 100 million guaranteed over the next two years. But it's cool. You're a top 10 pick. It's a bitter sweet moment, I would imagine, for Michael Pennix Jr.

Sure. From one other angle, though, from a more cutthroat angle, there are people that were mocking him to the second round. He's getting top 8 money.

No, that's great.

That's great. The money is great. Honestly, if he does a Jordan Love thing where a couple of seasons from now, he comes in and shines. He gets his fifth-year option picked up, too. There's less bad tape or raw tape, potentially, to learn behind cousins. Right.

I am a little worried about him, although Jordan Love was a tricky prospect, the surprising pick, and that worked out. My last thing is just the video of Terry Fontanou talking to Arthur Blank in their war room was a fascinating video. I really wanted to know. It really sounded like he was trying to explain the pick because when this pick happened, I was like, Is this ownership? Because we've heard how Blank wants his guy, his quarterback. I was like, Is ownership making them take a quarterback of the future? Based on what we've heard over the last few years, Arthur Blank could be involved. But then this image of Fontaineau almost like going through and explaining, and then he was moving it down. It was almost like he was, to me, if I had to guess, was explaining why we couldn't trade back to maybe take panics.Arthur Blank was born in 1942.Arthur.

Blank was born in 1942. I would imagine he's a guy that's looking for some results this year, and the player that they added this year probably can't help them this year. Wild. All right. That's the big crazy Story that came out of the day. We told you about the overall numbers and the bulk of certain positions. Let's start at the top of the draft. It's Caleb Williams as expected to the bears, Jaden Daniels as expected to the commanders, Drake May as expected to the Patriots. Let's check out, by the way, Caleb Williams. Good job by Our Company, which has blown this draft thing up into things that I can't I even wrap my head around as someone that used to go to Radio City Music Hall years ago. What it is now compared to what it was then, it's absurd. Now all the guys run down.

I don't think they want you to use the word absurd, but you can-In a positive way.

That's a positive absurd. There's a 25-yard runway with a matching color scheme for the player, and then they get their hat and their jersey. It's the whole thing. It's made for television, like the halftime show for the Super Bowl. Here's Caleb Williams, and check this out on YouTube if you haven't seen it. Speed walking down and then letting out a big old Rick Flair. He's about to put a bear's hat on and introduce himself to the world and head to Michigan Avenue. He might not have ran a Ford in Indy, but he's running one here. I mean, he is flying up there. He's excited to get this journey started. He really sold me both the way he came out there, the way he spoke in his interviews. Just seems like a dude.

Yeah, he We also had how he finished his interview with Kaylee Hartung making her NFL Network debut.

The bears.

That was how he finished it. Yeah, I loved that. We don't have to spend a ton of time, I know, but Man, we just haven't talked that much about Caleb Williams. When we say he can make every throw, I mean every throw. I heard Ollie Connolly talk about it on his podcast, and I thought it was really smart the way he put it, that one drive, he can look like Mahomes, and then the next drive, he can look like Manning. Then you watch how he navigates in the pocket, and that reminds you of the very best people in terms of inside the pocket. He has the experience with the RPO, and he has the quick release. He just feels like he has every single club in the bag, and he brings out different things based on what he needs. I am very excited to watch me some Caleb. And he's just so accurate. He's the most accurate guy in the class, too. So it's like no prospect is perfect or whatever, but I am so excited to watch This dude is going to be a value add for the league. I think we saw that with his personality, and I'm excited that I get to watch him with Roma Dunzi.

Well, and he's... What an incredible introduction from an NFC North standpoint. He's coming out there and he's booed lustily by Lions fans who have packed the place. He doesn't seem to care at all. It's like, you have to go back to 1947 and Bob Fennamore, the blonde bomber, the last time that the bears picked a quarterback first overall. That's crazy. There's no team coming close to that I would imagine. I do think it matters that on USC, there's a lot of Ballywood, USA stuff when they brought in the new coach. It's like they were 123 in scoring defense, so he was under the gun to fire the ball downfield over and over. I think as a deep passer, he's incredible. The bears haven't had someone like this in eons. It's like they feel like... Fields had that one nice season, but it's like, this is a team that, even when they went to the Super Bowl against the Colts, it's always minus the star quarterback. I think it's a completely new organization at this point because of them.

The bears. I think at the end of last season, I still think Justin Fields has a chance to have a really good career, and we'll see what happens in Pittsburgh or wherever he ends up being potentially as a long-term solution for somebody. But when you see a player like this and you start to really dig in on his background and you see the way he came out there, it's like, Okay, this guy is someone that You hit the reset with him, and then you pair him, like we said, with a number nine pick after the Falcon stunned the world and take a quarterback. That leaves this great prospect, Roma Dunzé, who some people say, Marvin Harrison, who goes forth to the Cardinals, we'll get to in a second. He was the clear-cut number one guy, but people think that Dunzay could be an absolute superstar. Now you got DJ Moore across from him, and you have what Bryce Young, for example, did not have last year, which is a real supporting cast around him. The bears suddenly go from one of the most boring teams to watch over the last 10 years or so. They are going to be must-see TV, at least in the beginning of the season.

It happened quickly. The only thing I think they've got to focus on more offensive line help They had the highest pressure rate in the league last year. It's like, that's one. We saw fields getting destroyed by that over and over, and it's like, that's not a wonderful thing for Caleb Williams. But they have done a lot in two off seasons, and that trade last off-season with the Panthers looks better and better and better by the minute. Right.

They got very fortunate that the Panthers ended up being the worst team in the league. They probably didn't think the Panthers were going to be good. So they were taking a shot and you're rolling.

They nailed it. They nailed everything about it.

You're hoping for the best. They piled it. But they got one of the best quarterback prospects we've seen in a long time. Now Keenan Allen can play inside, by the way, too. It's like, of course, the Dunes can move inside sometimes, too. And Keenan Allen can play outside sometimes. That's right. They got Keenan Allen, though. Of course, they're going to be flexible. But Alan is now at his best inside. You have come out there. Deandre Swift was a nice pickup. They absolutely are going to see that over under, which was at eight and a half, I believe. With the Dunes, I just feel like that's going to keep rising.

That division has turned semi-psychotic.

All right. The commanders, they do indeed take Jaden Daniels. Don't believe anything about them moving out of that pick. They take Daniels. So he is the future for Washington. Then, Greg, we could talk about both these players, but Drake May then goes to the Patriots who, apparently, there was a report out there. It is an interesting report. Did you see this report? It was the Patriots and Vikings reached out to the chargers about Justin Herbert, It cannot... I loved that. It cannot hurt. This is from Adam Schefter, by the way, to kick the tires on that one because Jim Harbaugh, they're nuts. So you just kick the tires, call the crazy guy, and just see what's going on with him. They were rebuffed, obviously. Then they go back and they say, Okay, we're cool with this dude. What do you think about this dude? How excited are you? One to 10, Greg. I am a 10.

This is what I was hoping for the whole time. I love this for the Patriot. That Drake May would fall to them. I didn't think was going to happen on Christmas Eve when they beat the Broncos in that weird game. I was enjoying the game. It's a lonely Christmas for me. It's like the Patriots brought a little joy. I was like, It's It's worth it, but they're not going to get Drake May now. For Jaden Daniels to become this consensus number two pick and going into today, I was just worried they were going to get too cute and trade down. It's like, When are you going to have a legit superstar potential quarterback sitting there? Hopefully, you're not drafting that high. When I watch him, he is just box office, and he is an incredible runner. It wouldn't surprise me if all these guys who can all run well, if he has the most rushing value, if he's a Jalen Hertz type of player there early in his career. You can build a decent amount of the offense about his running and his deep passing. That, to me, is just an exciting offense. I'm glad it sounded like they never even considered it.

You could tell Gerard Mayo is totally different because he basically told the Patriots draft party an hour and a half before the draft, We're not trading the pick. Don't worry. We're going to make our pick early, and you're going to like it. He's a great player. And it was like, Okay, I guess they're taking Jake May. They already were saying, Forget about the We're not thinking about it.

He's fascinating. He is someone that I think is going to be an immediate fan favorite for his physical nature or play, what he can do on the ground. There has been concern about the little things that he's got to grow at and some of his accuracy on passes that he does these incredible things, but then he's like, Wait a minute, what happened right there? It's almost like there is a version of you want to see the way that Josh Allen grew in certain little ways when people were ready to throw Josh Allen out the window. He improved. That was one of those people. But he improved as a pro, but that's unusual. That's atypical. And so, Drake may need to have a similar growth pattern for certain elements of his game. But it's like, this is a whole new day for the Patriots.

I don't see him as raw, though. I don't think he's as raw as everyone said. I think he did a lot of next-level stuff. He was just in a brutal situation. He's about to be again. They have talked about already that Jacobi Briceet, I have a feeling, will be the weak one starter. We'll see. It probably won't last that It was funny. You mentioned Josh Allen. I know you want to go, Dan, but Bill Belichick was on McAfee, and he was quoted saying, Drake compares himself a lot to Josh Allen. He's been doing that for quite a while. I haven't seen that. A lot of people compare them. Did he? We'll see about that. Then he negged Drake May a little bit. But to be fair, he negged all the top five pics. That's when I watched the Belichick portion of the McAfee. It was very different than the other-Was that the portion of the telecast where the audio was working for Bill Belichick? Yes. The pre... They had some snafus on YouTube and whatnot. So I've heard. He was trying to really calm everyone down, really about all the pics and pointing out the negatives.

But especially May, he seemed to... That's refreshing. He was pretty raw.

I thought the What did he say?

Was he freaking out about pennex like everyone else?

I left that telecast around pick five. That's too much for me. I'm a little company man. I was trying to watch both. It was too hard.

Okay. I was just curious if anyone else picked up on the NFL Network, the way they were talking about Drake May, as if it was almost a foregone conclusion that he wouldn't start, and that they were going to bring him along slowly. That's to what you're saying. That's the thing that I guess he needs polished in the eyes of some. But that doesn't really happen.

That means week three or week four.That doesn't really happen. But Jacobi Perrinset...

But that's not the way it was being discussed. It wasn't like he's going to start by October first. It was being We talked about this is going to be sitting behind it for a year.

To your Pennex angle, though, that's cool until they're 0-2.

No, but wait a second. We're not going back down the story. Michael Pennex isn't going in the lineup if Kirk Cousins is-I know, but I'm saying to your point that Pennex is...

To your argument that you're not getting someone who's going to help you right away. Like, Drake May is completely different. If they're underwater, Drake May is going to be in the lineup by halftime of week one, potentially. I don't want to hear this sitting for a year as a starter behind Jacobi %.

Yeah, I Why? Mac Jones played a lot as a rookie. Played pretty well. If they're good enough coaching staff, he will be playing. There's no reason to be that.

Pay it no mind what people say about rookies waiting on the bench. In almost all cases, they end up playing very quickly now. Marvin Harrison Jr, yes, goes to the Cardinals for overall. A lot of discussion about them moving back and letting a QB needy team trade up. They obviously did not have They have either the interest to make that move or they didn't get an offer that they liked, so they sit home. This is something I thought they should have done all along. I thought it was the right move. You get yourself a potential superstar wide receiver, pair him with Kyler Murray, who, despite being under contract for big money, is coming back for his first full season after ACL, and you just got to find out if this is truly going to work. Now you give him an absolute stud to play with.

There is value if they were treated to a monster deal by the Vikings to do what they talked about being very open to doing. But I think if you're a Cardinals fan who suffered through many rough seasons, this is basically saying, We've gotten our next version of Larry Fitzgerald, and he's not not exactly explosive as a Malik Nabors. He's different, but he does everything so well that it's a rare player where I think it's a little unfair to him, but it's like, Oh, it's a disappointment if he isn't a Hall of Fame wide receiver. If he'd made two Pro bowls and was a top 10 guy, that's a disappointment. The expectations were through the roof. I think for once, if you're the Cardinals, this was a need that matches up with arguably the best player in the draft. I have no problem with this.

I love it. I love not getting cute, but I don't think they had the option.I.

Don't think they were offered...I.

Mean, the whole McCarthy was never in the class with May and Daniels. I think teams were just seeing which quarterback for sure was going to shake out to three. Our reporting on NFL Network was that the Giants and the Vikings both tried to trade up with the Patriots, and they even made a last-ditch effort of raising their offer to trade up with the Patriots. It's safe to assume that's for Drake May. Patriots didn't want to do it. They stayed and picked. Once he wasn't available, the Vikings were fine just letting McCarthy fall down the board. Obviously, they end up getting him, and the Giants were never going to take him in the first place, apparently.

It tells you how much the Patriots think of Drake May's potential here that they would... That could have been a real boon for them to get additional picks at a time where they really need to stock that roster. But if they love the QB, you take the QB.

This is also where my mock draft went into a fiery dumpster or began to.

We're going to hit that at the end of the show. But yeah, it's a tough thing to do. It's not easy business, Mark. You know that. Don't beat yourself up. Joe Alt goes number 5 to the Chargers. A little bit, I wouldn't say it was a surprise. A lot of people had him pegged for seven to the Titans. The Titans were not happy with this because, well, we don't know it, but they take J. C. Latham from Alabama. Also a tackle, but you would think they wanted to have the choice of the two or alt outright. You have those two linemen go sandwiched around, yes, the New York Giants. The Giants, if Drake May or Jaden Daniels were on the board, that's probably the new quarterback of the New York Giants. But once those three players went off, they stayed home and they took Malik Nabors. I have obviously Giants fans, friends back east that some of them were like, I wish they took Roma Dunzay. He's a guy that's got a little bit more buzz leading up to the draft. However, you talk to people, this guy has every opportunity here to become a superstar as well if put in the right situation.

Yeah, and the Giants aren't the right situation. Not now. I mean, they haven't been. Maybe they can become that. He's another receiver who probably works his best over the middle of the field, which it feels like that's all they've got is all these different guys, and yet he's three tiers above. He's so explosive. I think there were probably more teams that had him over Harrison than even maybe there were teams that had a dunze over neighbors. I think people just fell in love with his explosiveness. I did like what Harba said about Alt. He was like, People are going to say, What about your weapons? Where are your weapons? And he said, With the chargers, we're going to look at the offensive line as weapons.

Yeah, they have real football. Remember this thing about the five fingers make a fist with the offensive line? He let it be known from the very start.

I love the pick for them. They have Rashaun Slater, too, but Trey Pipkins is not going to be starting at that point at that position. Joe Alt, the one thing is, a lot of these guys weren't at the draft, but they cut to his house. He's almost like 6'8. He stood up and was like 2 feet taller than anyone else in the household. It was like the 30 people around him. You love it.

You love big humans.

Well, I think actually, to me, it was like, some of these teams did not do what we expected. But for the Chargers, who I thought were a trade-down candidate, to go get Joe Alt, it's like, that's a hardball player. That's a Greg Roman type player. He dominates in the run game. He's massive, and it's exactly the setup. He's 6'9. They want seven or eight. He's almost 6'9.

There are almost no comps to his height and size. Jonathan Ogden is one of them and was one of the greatest players of all time at his position. There's a few other here and there. But to be that athletic at 6'9, it's just like, we're seeing this across all sports. Like, humans are testing the bounds of how athletic tall people essentially can be. You see it in tennis, you see it in basketball, it's just preposterous how athletic now, like a 6-9 tackle could be.Not.

Horse racing.Don't.

See it there.Not in horse racing. No.

In fact, you see a lot of bad things happening in horse racing when you push the animal too far. In baseball, the game for pitchers right now, there's an epidemic right now with pitchers suffering arm injuries because things like spin rate and velocity keeps going up, up, up. They're dealing now the sport with, How do we rein this in? Because the human body can't take it. Be careful with these big men. Don't let them get too big. We're mere humans. That's all I'm saying. We're mortal.

Tell it to Randy Johnson. Tell it to the bird that he hit.Tell.

It to the...Do you remember that?I think we can.Tell.

It to the 230 town linebacker that's trying to get around this mountain.

That sounds like the end of baseball, by the way. We're creeping towards the end of the sport.

I think it'll be fun. It does. I mean, there are people like you who want baseball to die.

That's not true at all. It never will, Mark. There's nothing nicer to do than go to a baseball game out on a summer day. But you're saying that literally the most important position is losing the human body can't keep up with the sport.

I believe they'll find a way. That's all. But I'm educating you on something going on there. It's a completely different sport.I didn't know that.Football..

It is a let that.

Football is completely different than basketball.

Of a Titans draft. It's just like... You've mentioned it's not as exciting. I know we'll get to the Jets when you take the tackle. But Lisa was like, oh, this is... We got the guy. This is a tackle that would have gone maybe top three some years. It's certainly a better prospect.I will say this. Than Jokal or Eric Fisher were when they were coming out.

I think Joe Alt was like an outlier. He's the one offensive lineman where you would out of the draft like, Yeah, we got the 6-9 beast. But instead, J. C. Latham, by the way, could end up being way better than Joe Alt. But right now, where we stand, it doesn't seem as fun or exciting. All right, let's Finish off the top 10, and then we're going to take a break. So we mentioned J. J. Mccarthy, the last quarterback standing, and there are the Vikings. And the Cardinals were hoping that maybe the Vikings would pick up in a panic and try to do a trade there, perhaps. But they don't. The Vikings hang back. They hang back, and McCarthy stays on the board. Even when the team at number 8 stuns the world with a quarterback pick, it's not JJ McCarthy. So what do the Vikings do? They pick up the phone at 11. They call up the Jets, or the Jets call the Vikings. I thought, Daniel Jeremiah, I have to give him a little pop. He expertly foreshadowed this minutes ahead of time, that the Jets, he's been in a situation where you just pick up the phone, if you're the Jets, perhaps, and say, Hey, you want to move up one ahead of us before somebody else jumps ahead of you?

And they ended up the Jets trade out of the pick. They gain a little bit of draft capital. Move back one spot. And yes, JJ McCarthy goes to the Minnesota Vikings. There is their quarterback of the future.

I will say I thought that Quesi, the GM for the Vikings, you've got to... If you're a Vikings fan, this was a nice hand of cards. He did a nice job here because they were the candidate to ship both their first-round picks to get JJ. It wasn't to get someone else. It was in theory to get JJ McCarthy as the fourth quarterback.

They tried to, but it was for Drake May.

Sure.

But I'm saying- They didn't value McCarthy like that.

But even in the days leading up, it was like the thought was they would have been okay with McCarthy, and they would have moved, and it would have taken a lot. You gave up a little bit, but you got your guy or the guy that was most likely to great fall to you if you moved up to number 4 here. It's good for the Jets, but it was good for the Vikings. I like the fit with Kevin O'Kunal. I think a quarterback is in a good place there. You've got wide receivers, you got a good tight end. Your offense is ready to go. I think what happens to McCarthy is one of the more interesting subplots to next season. It's not great for Sam Darnold, but I think there was always a plan to get a different quarterback. Darnold knew that, too.

Once they traded for that second first-round pick, the writing was on the wall. Now it just becomes, again, there will be, and they'll play their cards close to the vest, who's going to start at the beginning of the season. But JJ McCarthy is the quote unquote, proven winner. He's a guy that's won at every level he's played at. I think they're going to view him as a guy that's going to be ready physically and emotionally to take that gig, and they're going to hope he's going to run with it. I was a little spooked. Even though they were smart the way they played, they didn't panic. I thought if they wanted a quarterback and they couldn't get those top three, more or less staying home, or as close as you can to staying home, was the right play. But then you see people that have been studying this player for months and months and years saying, he's maybe like an Alex Smith. I was like, Oh, okay. All right. He had some good years. But is that what you wanted at your number? I guess. I don't know. Is Alex Smith... Is that a ceiling that's acceptable for the pick?

I don't know. If that's what his ceiling is.

He's been compared sometimes to cousins, to to the next-gen Cousins. It's like-You could deal with that. That one I could live with. It's like when you're comparing these guys, Pennex to Flacko is another one from DJ, where it's like next-gen Flacko, next-gen Cousins, because every quarterback now is extremely athletic. Compared to those guys. It's fun. J. G. Mccarthy has almost talked about his athleticism is boring. He tested off the charts for some of this stuff. He's not going to make you miss, but his straight line speed is three cone, that stuff. He has a big arm, and he's an athlete. Even if that's not the main part of his game. But he did seem to be the guy that the Sean McVay tree, of which O'Kunal is one, liked the best because he's like the one to 2-3. Maybe not so much Cousins or Alex Smith, but a better Brock Purdy, which obviously you would take if he actually can deliver on that. I wonder if the Broncos wanted JJ McCarthy because that's the reason you trade up.

Well, I think Probably more than Bo Nicks if we could truth sear on them. Right.

We will never find out. Hold that thought.

Hold that thought. Let's take a break. When we get back, we check in on the middle of the first round. Stay right there. All right. Welcome back. The Jets moved back one spot, and Brock Bowers is there. I think they really... You'll never know, but I think they were hoping Roman Dunzé was there, and I think they maybe would have pulled the trigger there, but maybe they always were going to take the best offensive lineman available at that point. It was Olu Fashinou?

Yeah, you got it. First try.

Olu Fashinou from Penn State. Like I said on our last show, when your team takes an offensive lineman, it's never overly exciting. However, they have a left and a tackle, even as high as the potential is with Tyron Smith now there at left tackle. Two 33-year-olds, Morgan Moses on the other side. Smith's injury issues are well documented. If either of those guys go down or both those guys go down, all of a sudden, you have a 40-year-old Aaron Rodgers coming off an Achilles injury, and you're right back where it feels like you've been. So it makes sense. It's a sensible pick. If Brock Bowers, who then goes two picks later to the Raiders, turns into George Kittle, like his comp that's out there. And Fashino becomes yet another offensive lineman who just kicks around the league, and it doesn't quite take. If he becomes Mekai Bectin, you have to live with it. But it makes sense. It's a logical pick for the Jeff.

The whole psychological dynamic of the draft is no matter what fan you are or even analyst, if you like a team, you're just dreaming of the showy, sexy, weapons type guy. And you don't really value offensive lineman out of the gate. But this guy has been compared to Laramie Tunzel. Jason Zumwalt, when he announced this pick in the mock draft, was salivating over the 6'6 frame, 317 pounds. You know what's not exciting is having your quarterback sworn by bees four plays into the season, and the season is destroyed. I like the idea of protecting Aaron Rodgers and not having the whole thing crumble minutes into campaign two.

I didn't like when it was positioned as, well, do you take a pick for with the Jets, with a pass catcher, or do you take a pick for the future? The tackle is like, no, this is for now. Hopefully, he's not starting week one, but it would be a shock if he wasn't needed to start this season. I really liked him. I think he was probably the consensus tackle, too, certainly over Latham, in that we've seen with tackles that it's a really developmental position, maybe even more than quarterback, where it takes you one year, two year. It takes a while. And Fashion, who combined maybe better than the others, a guy that could play sooner than later and had some upside behind probably only all. He's definitely a guy that's better in pass pro than run block. He's like, Sign me up for those guys. Those are the tackles I want, the guys that-Yeah, DJ said he would have been a top five pick a year ago.

I think this is just one of these draughts where he's getting pushed down the board a little because of the positions that are going ahead of him.

I'll give Joe Douglas credit. I think when you look at what they've done this offseason, he could have done the thing that would have made a lot of sense, which is almost make it an absurd all-in year where you're doing things like you trade up for Marvin Harrison, or you make that extra signing or two in free agency. I thought all of his moves that he made for the most part have made this team better and are giving them a real chance in 2024. While they're going to have a lot of work to do next year, if Aaron Rodgers is gone or can't play anymore, anymore. They haven't mortgaged the farm in terms of a lot of their spending. I think he has handled this in a responsible way, considering there's a very good chance he's not around anymore if the season goes poorly. I don't think he is GM that way.

No, but we want, to be fair, it's not a panic situation, but if you're going to take someone at 11, you want him to contribute and play very soon, too. I think he will, though. Yeah, well, also because invariably, it's the Jets. They're going to lose two linemen.

That has been the way. I It would be very surprised if we don't see Olu on the field this year.

You got to come up with a nickname for him.

Olu for Shauna. Olu is a good name.

Pretty good. Yes, Bo Nicks. He is the sixth, quarterback off the board in 12 picks to the Denver Broncos. Greg, what were your thoughts about this selection? Sean Payton seemed to be pretty happy with himself in the war room after it went down. 24 years old. Imagine that. Auburn transfer to Oregon. Now he is entering a quarterback room that has Jared Stittam, that has Zack Wilson, and now Bo Nix, who I would imagine is going to be playing very soon.

I want to get into Nix, but as you mentioned, being proud of himself in the war room. This is the first draft I've ever watched partially with Emeka, my wife, along with Walker. She was there just coming in and out. But she's like, Why are they so proud of themselves when they make a decision? She's like, Oh. She really cracked up about that they're all high-fiving. There is something awkward to an outsider of like, Hey, we just called in the pick, and then 15 different guys are high-fiving each other. There is something else. They've been working on it for months, though.

But also, they're all on the cusp of probably separations and divorces.

Hey, we did it. We just called it a name.

That is that moment. You could tell Emeka, I said that I'm sure she'll be thrilled to hear me mansplaining.

She has never listened to this show. She'll be thrilled.

That's the culminationClimination. I did say that. Of months and months.

Of hard work, Dan.

Of grinding.Right..

That was my answer. Under the radar. That was my answer.

We appreciate that.

That was my answer. She was like, Oh, you beat the 10-minute clock to make a phone call. I was like, Okay, that's fair. I don't love what I've heard from Sean Payton afterwards. It almost sounds like in all these little leaks coming out and Sean Payton-He's coming after Payton.

I love it.

Well, it's just like-What is it now?

What did he do?

Nothing. Just that they're so high on Bo Nicks, and they're just leaking all this stuff.

Of course, they're going to say they're high on Bo Nicks. They just drafted him with the 12th overall pick.

Of course, but no one thought he was a special enough player to go in the first round. I said he gave me Jake Locker, Christian Ponder vibes, and it wasn't because of his playing style at all. Maybe Ponder. It wasn't because of his plane style. It's just like, it's the end of the quarterback run. We have to get a quarterback. We can't wait any longer. That's fair. Let's take the last one before we feel like there's a drop.

The one thing I do like about him, he had 3,724 college snaps. That's more than Burrows had in the NFL. And it's like, he transferred and had two totally different types of playing styles. He was a better, different, more accurate type quarterback at Oregon. But I'm with you.

I don't know. That whole thing where it's like, this guy played a ton of snaps in college. It doesn't do a ton for me.

Sixty-one career starts.

That is bizarre. Then there's like a Killy Smith who had 12 starts and went second overall or something and flamed out. I think having more tape on a quarterback is a good thing. I don't know. But The odds are the sixth quarterback off the board in the first round is problematic.

Look, his super high-tier comp was Breeze, that he's just a point guard, a quick decision-maker.

And who coached.

But also an Alex Smith, too. Right.

And Payton is such a good coach. His quarterbacks always have good numbers, always are pretty efficient. He's going to make it work well. It's just with the 12th overall pick, you're taking a quarterback. You want someone that can maybe make all the throws and that has shown an ability to withstand pressure. That was the thing watching him. He didn't face a lot of pressure when he was at Oregon, but when he did, he had no answer for it.

Well, he also had 45 TDs, three picks last season, and a 77.4 completion percentage. Some of these guys are like, Well, we hope they can be accurate as a pro. We love their arm and all this stuff. I think this is a Sean Payton type guy. I can understand. I don't think it's all false PR I know that anything that comes out of Sean Payton's mouth, Greg and Emeka, apparently, are going to disagree with or shun, but it's like, he can work with this guy.

He wasn't coming out on Sean Payton, specifically. It was a different war room. But he actually admitted after, too, that he's like, Well, I may have been directly responsible for making people think that we were going to trade up. So he was bragging afterwards how he verbalized that like 12 times.

It's almost like Sean Payton has an exceedingly high opinion of himself. I just get this feeling. Anybody else get that feeling?

There is an energy.

All right, I'm going to do the next five pics and jump in with anything on any of them, okay? So you got Brock Bowers, the tight end, going to the Raiders. So they find their Darren Waller replacement. Look at it that way as a hyper athletic playmaker, maybe not a high-end blocker. The Saints, draft a tackle. I'm not going to get this one. Talisi Fuaga, out of Oregon State. And then at number 15, the Colts say, You know what? We're going to end the streak, and we're going to take a defensive player. They take Latou Latou, defensive end at the UCLA. You get high value there as the first defensive player off the board in the middle of the first round. This was an outlier, obviously. The Seahawks take Byron Murphy, the defensive tackle out of Texas. There is 13 through 16.

Bauer's going to the Raiders was fascinating. No one had that happening. I love it because they just need more weapons. But the reason no one had it happening is because they just took Michael Mayer last year, which is like a high second round.

That's right.

But it was a different regime, and I'm with that. First of all, Bauer's is a whole another level of athletic.

You could make two tight ends work. Absolutely.

You want to. And Mayer is a little bit more of the in-line tight end who can also catch some passes but isn't going to be going for like a thousand yards. And Bowers could be that guy. And you can't make decisions based on what the last GM did. Like, Oh, he took Meyer, so I can't take him. If you I think Bauer is the best guy, and a lot of teams probably did at that point, it's good value.

Especially the last Raiders GM, generally.

But from a Raiders fan perspective, last year, you used a first-round pick on a tight end. You weren't-Second. High-second. Oh, high-second on a tight end. Was his ceiling here, in-line blocker who has 600 yards in a season. It doesn't sound like a team that's... But that's the risk when you blow things up and the regime's change.

It leads to these-It's great news for Garner Minchou because it's like you're starting. It's your team at this point. But I will say the one pick, I think-It's not great news for Devante Adams, but yeah. No, you're right. But if you're Mike McDonald, I just watched what he did with so many Ravens players on defense last year. I didn't know what the Seahawks were going to do in this. I thought they might go for quarterback, but Byron Murphy, to me, I loved watching him. I think Mike McDonald is going to get something out of Byron Murphy right away. It wasn't like it was the biggest need on the play at all. They had other needs. But I love it. I think it's Seattle Seahawks type player.

Right. The Saints pick, they had to make it. This has been bubbling around, but Ian reported how Ryan Ramchick might be retiring. I talked about how they blew their left tackle pick a couple of years ago, Trevor Penning, who can't get on the field, so they needed a left tackle. They also needed a right tackle. They just had to take a tackle, and they took the guy who was most fun to watch and a brawler type, which is very saint-y. I will say, Latulatu, his past rushing was I'm pumped for him as a pro. Him and my guy, Newton, were my two favorite defensive players in the draft. Only one of them got drafted tonight, though.

We'll talk about that on Saturday. But Little Susie ain't getting the braces this summer. Maybe next summer.

Don't count on it. Old bucktooth Susie. It gets tougher and tough to correct teeth with braces as you age.

Got to keep her in the dark.

Hey, I didn't make you guys follow me, but I did get I got a tweet from Tahuch76, Rainmaker blanked me again.

All right, let's stick a pin in that. Defensive run, the third defensive player in a row because the Vikings, they make more moves. Yes, Greg?No, go ahead.Writing.

At me. I just wanted to jump in on the Vikings.

Okay, just let me get it out. Minnesota Vikings via trade from the Jaguars get Dallas Turner outside linebacker from Alabama. That nice value pick there, Greggy.

It was. I had a harder time with him, but a lot of people had him as a top edge rusher. Dj had him. Great value to get up there. But they gave up a three and a four to move up five spots. It did make me think about them.

Maybe not a value pick.

They've just been building this team up for three years now, even though they have a new quarterback. It felt like this was a little bit of go time for Questy. They've been accumulating picks. They've taken a lot of different guys, and it was like, We got to start getting our guys, and we got to push our chips in the table. We got to be a little better this year to help out our rookie quarterback and Sam Darnold on the defensive side. They're taking a swing here by giving up all those picks. Just to move up five spots.

That was expensive. It was a fit, along with switching first. It was a fifth this year and a third and a fourth next season.

Now, Mark, I don't get too jazzed up about guys that play a million snaps in college. But I do get nervous when guys hardly play in college. The bangles, and a lot of people saw this coming, Mark, I think you had Cincinnati going for the offensive line in your Mark draft. Yeah, not this guy. Amarius Mims out of Georgia, who's got everything you could want out of a tackle in terms of size and athleticism. But this man made eight starts in college. That is Obviously, you're looking at his traits and you're saying this is an NFL player, but you barely saw him in college. But the tape and his testing was enough for the Cincinnati to say, Maybe we have something special here. That seems like a roll of the dice at 18.

Yeah, I'm with you. I think, injury history and durability matter. He allowed one QB hurry on 297 snaps last year, and he... I don't know. I think that if you read the positive traits, the bangles are hoping.

Traits are great.

I mean, because he's shown those things. It's not like they're guessing that he has them. It's just that he wasn't around.

6-8, though. They have a type. Their three tackles right now are Orlando Brown, one of the largest humans ever created, Trent Brown, one of the largest humans ever created. With a baby face. Now, Amarius Mims, who a lot of people, the people that are super into tackles and the draft, they're thinking he's the most fascinating guy in the draft, the boomer bust guy in the draft, could be a total top five talent in total, who knows? But they have a good development.

6'7, 3'40, gifted with size and athleticism. Mekai Becton. It can go both ways with those giants.

Yeah, but what do you want him to be? 5'9, 180?

No, I want him to be exactly 6'6, 3'18. And then I'm totally fine with the pick. You asked. That's a great point, Mark.Thank.

You.you didn't even make a point. Be on the field a little more. Yeah, I guess that's what you want.

That's the question. What was the point that you don't want them to be small?

I thought I made a point that I think if you're listening to this, you're thinking that I took Dan in a different direction there. Wheeled him around a little bit.

Wheeled this. The Rams at 19 finally pick. This one was fun.I enjoyed this.I love this. You love the pick.I.

Love the player.Okay.

I love this. All right. So Jared Verce is a very talented defensive end. A lot of people said, Oh, maybe the best PR pass rusher. And all that. However, enough. However, I loved this from Charles Davis, who while Jared Verce is off the board, and it's this big moment in his life, here's Charles Davis asking the questions that need to be asked. I talk with a top-level NFL Scout, former GM, and he said, Hey, this kid had the reputation of being a you know what. So I asked him point blank, Are you a new know what, Jared Birce? And he said, I am on the practice field and on the game field. The rest of the time, I'm an okay guy. He knows how to turn it on. Just like Charles. So you're an ass. Be honest. You're an ass.

I love it. I don't know if I saw anyone on the defensive side of the ball that made me more interested than this player.

Charles was working blue tonight because he also tried to quote, why am I forgetting his name, Brian Cox's character in succession, F off, during the telecast.

Davis was out there today.

I like that. I like that version of him.

I love that, Charles Davis.

Sorry, Jared Verste. You were very high on it. You love that, Jared Verste.

The way he rushes the passer. I mentioned on that other show, watching him just take these 6'6, 340-pound guys and just smashing them into the quarterback, and they both fall to the ground like toy soldiers. It's like this guy makes the Rams. I mean, it was a need for them, too, but it's like it is someone that can come in and punish people in the NFC West. I love him, the way he plays.So nice team.I love him.

With Byron Young. It's the total opposite. You have to bend the edge, speed, edge rusher, and then you have the big strong, maybe set the edge a little better in the run defense with Jared Verso. They're a nice little team.

If he's a little bit of a butt head, hopefully he could deal with it. You know what I mean?

You said he's a good guy.

He claimed-He said he was.

Yeah. How would anyone-Well, if it got to the point where a lot of the chatter was like, This guy sucks a little bit.

He seemed to have a very nice, loving family set up. He had a heartwarming-I'm not saying it.

I don't know anything about the man. I'm just saying it had reached a level that Charles Davis brought it up to a national audience, minutes, seconds after it was taken. Then it was so important to Charles, CeeD, that he asked the man himself.Yeah.

The reporting...He was an a-hole. The reporting hit a tipping point, and he had to ask the question that needed to be asked. I get that. Do you want him to be... I don't want to be too friendly.

My curiosity It's peaked. What is going on for that to be a main storyline from one of the top college analysts seconds after?

Eric, can you put in a request for Jared Verste when we go to Ramsey Camp? How about this? How about I get a...

What a great point, Dan. Give me a ding. Give me something. Nobody's asking these questions.

Well, Charles Davis is.

Got a bully for a ding. It's not worth it. He's handed out dings and grades points to Cecil. He's not even making points.

Why do you need to turn into this person during this during what has been a relatively well-natured show? You're asking for praise and sound clips and all this stuff. Can you get out of this show without endless praise? Can you get out of this show without endless praise, aimed at you? Do you know? I don't know. It seems absurd.

Do you know what you think I'm being right now?

You're being...

I don't know if I'd go there.

I just brought a background on you.

He did bring it back around. You got to admit.

All right, let's take a break, and let's finish round one. All right, we're back. We are at Pick 20. Let's hit the rest of the first round now. The Pittsburgh Steelers, they go to their offensive line addition, adding help there with Troy Fatenu from Washington. So interior. Is that the first guard off the board? Interior lineman?

They're listing him that way, but he was fantastic at tackle and could be playing there. A lot of these offensive lineman, actually, Grant Martin coming up, too, could play multiple positions. But I have a feeling they will try him at tackle. He's incredibly athletic.

Yeah, PFF called him, labeled him as the most versatile lineman of any of them. So that's multi-position, diverse, and the best overall athlete of all the linemen. It's saying it looked more like a tight end.

It's excellent to have the alignment that could play all over. Now, the Dolphins, they go defense. They take Chopp Robinson edge at a Penn State, and that is a move. Some people thought, Greggy, maybe the Dolphins would take a burner and just go totally hog wild on their offense, but they do address their defense, which seems to make sense.

Well, I thought they might goYour guy. Newton there. That was where it started to feel like this might not work out for me. It was a big need because Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips, just bad luck, are coming off massive injuries. Both of them might not be ready for the start of the season, so you could be starting or certainly asking Chopp Robinson to play a lot of snaps. Shaq Barrett is on that roster, too. Quiet signing by them.

Their pass rushing fell apart at the end of last season. I like to pick for them. I thought that Chopp Robinson was interesting to watch.

I thought Xavier worthy there would have been fascinating, but he landed in a pretty fascinating place.

I thought it was weird that you don't usually see this. I think it was Daniel Jeremiah who said that Chopp Robinson, his nickname of Chopp, is because of the choppy steps he takes. He's known for... That's the way he moves. That's one of the things that perhaps they want to coach out of him.So you want to coach outIt's a weird nickname.the thing that his actual... His nickname.Wow.Yeah.

I don't like that.I.

Didn't like that at all.

Old regular steps, Robinson.Yeah, that's troubling.

Anyway, let's move to the Eagles who have done it again. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, as you heard, you heard it here first that the Eagles won the draft night one with Quinian Mitchell at a Toledo. Cornerback, high value, and I was seeing it everywhere, but let's call this one up. I saw this. Quinian Mitchell electrifies Eagles fans at number 22, heist of the 2024 NFL Draft. Rest easy, everyone. The sheep are still herded together. Don't be so mad. The old trope of, yes, You know what? All the smart people say the Eagles do everything right. So I will say that immediately on Instinct, and then I'll be amongst the safe people.

Well, this bit must be... This is all in your head. This bit must be really resonating because after this pick, and I, ofOf course, I complimented something about the Eagles. Everyone's like, Is that going to be okay with Dan? Hey, all we heard all week is like, There's no chance Howie Roseman is sticking and picking. He did it. He's got to trade up and trade up. But Howie is so far ahead of the rest of the league. He knew somehow that he was going to have his pick of any cornerback in the draft, his number one need. We think alike after all these podcasts together, Dan. I also collected some reaction to the Eagles's picks.We have a series of tweets.I love it for the tweets. Doug Farrar, what grade is higher than an A plus? You need a higher than an A plus. Let's go to the next one. There is nothing higher than an A plus. Lindsay Rodes, our great friend. It must be fun to be an Eagles's fan on Draft. Every pick just feels perfect. Always No, what are you talking? We got one more. We got one more. This was my favorite one.

Howie can't keep getting away with this.

I think Dan's point has been made.

Howie, motherfucker.

It's a perfect... It looks like a great pick. I'm just saying it. It is a good way. People in our industry tend to want to gravitate toward who are the thought leaders on social media, and they know that the Eagles are very popular amongst those people.

Greg is one of them.

You're over thinking it. They'll just say, Oh, let me immediately get my take out there.My little keyboard.Yeah, get my little keyboard out there. I'll get my take out there, and I'll align with the smart people. Then people will think, I'm Smith.

I think Dan... Maybe it's all these people have the same opinion.

It happens all the time. No, I think Dan is absolutely on to something. Roseman got going early. They signed A. J. Brown to a three-year deal right after the Devante Smith thing, which I thought cleared up what could have been an offseason drama. Drama gone. Howie Roseman, what do you look great to give that? A plus plus.A.

Plus plus plus. It was That was a sneaky big contract. That was by far the biggest.

They just gave a huge contract to a wide receiver.

$84 million guaranteed?

Yeah. Right. 32 a year in new money, which is easily the most. And we'll have to look at all the details and stuff. But this is setting the I think these wide receiver contracts are going to get crazy. Everyone's trying to get in before Jefferson because the Amman Ross-St. Brown contract, we never hit that on the pod just because of the timing, but both him and Panay Sewell got monster deals from the Lions. Classy move by the Lions. They give their stars huge contracts way before the draft, and then they bring them out to introduce the draft.I love that.Along with Megatron and M&M.Well done. That should be a tradition, obviously. Pretty good.Sense to the moment.Sense to the moment.

Every team that's hosting should do that with their legends because it's a great moment for them and the fans that are there for 10 hours. All kidding aside, I think it's a perfectly good pick for the Eagles. They do know what they're doing, and I think it left me... I felt a little I felt a little bad, quite honestly, about I don't want to be in a blood feud with Philadelphia because I don't have any issues with Philadelphia.

Apparently not.

I really don't.

What about those Sixers' Knicks series going on?

That's great, and that's fun. The Sixers got off the mat tonight, so good job by them. I guess that's a rivalry, but I'm not a Mets fan, so the Phillies don't bother me. I'm not a Giants fan, contrary to popular belief by people that listen to the show, so I don't have an eagles's hatred. In fact, I'm going to share some things I like about Philadelphia. Oh, wow. Let's take a brief aside here. Hall and Oats. Love Hall and Oats. How about cheesesteaks with the Cheese Whizz.Mark.

Can't wait till this is both.Are both Hall and Oats? He's like, We're going to be here five more minutes.

I give them both. A lot of people say, Oh, I only like Hall, not Oats.

But are they both from Philly?

They're Philly. Yeah, they're Philly for real.

Is there a third item?

More, Mark. Okay. Randall Cunningham's 91-yard punt.

Love that. Yeah. Good.

Remember that? I mean, it gets the giant against us.

How about that 92-yard throw, that touch down?

Love that, too.

I love that move, the Superman dive in the end zone. I love it all. But the 91-yard punt is better. I like Bryce Harper. Speaking of the Phillies, he's a fun guy to watch. I like Questlove. I like The Roots. I got good I like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. They're listening to it right now, the theme.

Yeah, I mean, that's a Hollywood product, but okay.

You know what I like? The Declaration of Independence, Bitch.

That's American.

Where was the sign?

Near that crack bell. I get it.

I like Silver Lining's Playbook. Okay. Do you? I do. I love that movie, actually, even though Bradley Cooper is in it.

Yeah, I feel like one of the main star you seem to dislike.

I love several of the M Night Shyamalan films. What? I find several of them. And most of all, I love Coleen Wolf. Okay. They put it all together, and it's not all bad. I want to make peace with Philly. If you want, we could bury the hatchet here tonight.

I think Greg and I are watching you evolve before our eyes on this episode of the podcast.

If you watch us on YouTube, you should check that out. We'll have it up. You'll see Brian Baldinger was there with Coleen, also from Philly. Yeah, Baldinger. He lives in Philly. But I did notice you didn't mention gonzo.

I love gonzo. John?i think it goes without saying.I mean, I could sit here all day just naming every person I've ever met from Philly.

Well, right, but he's the husband of the woman.

This is very Greg, but yes, John, too. Okay.

Greg is like, Let me not get out of this segment without some feud being created between you and someone's husband.

All right, let's move on. The Jacksonville Jaguars.

Oh, I love this one.

This is via a trade with Minnesota through Cleveland from Houston. Take Brian Thomas, the wide receiver out of LSU. The writing, this would have been, I feel like an easy sandwich, Greg, if anybody threw it out there because they badly wanted Calvin Ridley back, and they thought it was in the bag, and then they ended up losing him because another team blew him out of the water. So now they replaced Calvin Ridley, and that was a need.

If a different team made this trade, everyone be like, Oh, they did it again. Trent Balki played the board perfectly. This is not typically what the Jaguars did, but they were at 17 overall, where I thought Brian Thomas Jr. Would have or could have been the pick there. They also could have taken a cornerback, certainly. But I thought they... I love Thomas. People just don't move like him. He reminds me a little bit of Dike Mechaf, not like he's as big as physical. He's more of just a burner and smooth, but just like he has one skill set that is just so exceptional that he can learn the rest as they go. And so they move back six spots. They got all these pics we talked about that the Vikings gave up a third and a fourth next year, and I think really added some juice to that offense. That is a speedy offense with ETN, Gabe Davis, and Brian Thomas.

If you look at their wideout room, Christian Kirk, Zee Jones, Gabe Davis, and Evan Ingram at tight end. There's a lot going on here in terms of, right, speed, downfield speed, and Thomas is a deep ball threat.

Did you guys see Did you see the Jaguars war room at this time?

Yes, that was good.

Pretty tough. Tony Khan, who's been on the show, he's the son of Shad Khan, and he's a big figure, obviously with the Jaguars, and I believe he owns a wrestling.

Yeah, he was like-All elite wrestling. I believe this in the past couple of days was body slam.We have this, sir.a wrestling event.

He got pilot-driven into the ground. Listen, wrestling is scripted, but the guys take real bumps, and Tony Cee Khan takes a bump that requires him to wear a neck brace. I just have a take here. Neck braces in general, they're rough. No one looks good in a neck brace. There's something truly vulnerable about being stuck in a neck brace. The way you're stiff and you have no range. You're like Michael Keaton in the first Batman. You can't move. Then your just eyes are darting around. You just don't look very good. It's tough. Tough, bad beat.

Come on.

How do you have a contrario take about neck braces?

Because it's Kate. What do they call it? Kfab? He's playing it up. It's a wink, wink to the whole wrestling community. Of course.

It's a bit.

It's wrestling. He's making it real.

I would say in that everyone loved it. He did seem to be to have full motion in the neck.

He was struggling with his range of motion. Are you telling me that people don't get injured in wrestling?

Of course they do. But I follow, I guess, enough wrestling fans on Twitter that were just going nuts that he took it this far that he… Basically, people were begging and hoping he would wear the neck brace to the thing because he's not really hurt. And he did it. He did it. He extended it.

Your point, though.No..

And he did it last night.

No one would do such a thing.

He did it last night on National TV to set it up. He's one step ahead of you. He's promoting the A. W.

His injury is one step ahead of the draft. I think he wants to be on national television in a neck brace.

Yes.

Yeah, I think it's a bit of a…We're.

Talking about it. It's an act. Yes.

I'm just saying it's tough.

You're not wrong about the look of the neck brace.

Have you ever watched wrestling in your life?

Yeah, he watched a lot of it.Injuries happen.Injuries happen.I know, but in this case...How.

Can you be so sure?How.

Can you be so sure? Because he owns the company and they set it up.That's what you do.It happened.

Was he actually pile-driven?

Yes. Then they-Is it possible he could have hurt his neck taking the pile driver?

You'd have to say it's possible.

I will defer to all the wrestling enthusiasts that are into it night after night who all acknowledged and embraced that he's having some fun here.

I love that Greg, on any pocket of Twitter, Greg is one of the largest followers of every pocket on Twitter.

I'm just saying Dan's got a terrible take. Greg has never met-Somone's He's got a column.

Greg has never mentioned wrestling once on this show, but he is also one of the largest Twitter followers of wrestling fanatics. There is, apparently. Breaking news.

Greg knows everything.

But there's no question you're wrong in this case. No question.

It's impossible.

Wait, what's breaking?

That he... Well. Yeah. That you're wrong? Oh, oh. That's impossible. No.

All the time. But in this case, you're wrong.

But how do you know? I'm just curious. You must know.

Because it's... When this happened, I was like, he did it. That's an amazing marketing bit that you set up.

It is good marketing because it does the...

Set up your national TV appearance the night before.

I think he turned... Put it this way. I think he turned lemons into Lemonade. I think he got dinged in a big spot.

I think you're trying to save-Marius Mims is like, Could they have spent seven minutes on the greatest day of my adulthood?

The Lions, via Trade with the Dallas Cowboys take Terry and Arnold, the cornerback out of Alabama. The packers take offensive tackle Jordan Morgan out of Arizona. The Bucks select Graham Barton tackle out of Duke, a center that That apparently the Cowboys wanted a piece of and don't get them. The Cardinals, via the Houston Texans, they had that extra first-round pick from their trade last year. Take Darius Robinson, defensive end, Adam, Missouri.

Thoughts. I think for Detroit, they were fortunate, as were a number of teams, that the cornerback run came late. This really was the final position that Detroit needed to address. Terry and Arnold falls into your lap. He's from Alabama. You know he can play. You added Carlton Davis in the offseason. You've got Brian Branch. Suddenly, it looks like a strength. If Arnold works out, you've got a strength.

He was probably the safest corner in the draft just because he's from Alabama. He's a lions type of guy. Then to see him come out and the crowd just go crazy for him. He was ready for that moment and embraced it and said, I'm home. I'm home. I just want to say Detroit. Look out. You all got to start, man. Hey, I'm home, man. I'm home.

That's awesome.

I dig that.

Have fun. Great job. Number 28, the Kansas City Chiefs. They move up. They trade up. They trade up for a wide receiver. Does that sound familiar? We'll talk about it on Saturday. And they take Xavier worthy. There's a lot of reasons to be excited about this pick because that is the same Xavier worthy that ran a 4.21 at the combine, setting the record at that event for speed. He's undersized Mark Sesler. However, the Chiefs have been missing this element of their offense since Tyree kill was traded, and we will not go into a new season in Kansas City being like, They haven't added something new and exciting. This, whether it works or not, whether as an undersize receiver, he's able to translate at 165 pounds, a buck 65, we'll see. But this is an exciting idea.

Yes, and they went for it, and he's getting to Sean Jackson comps, and you added Hollywood Brown. So they've addressed it. And I think one of the more fascinating, for me, unpredictable turns in this draft, post-Penix Jr, is that the bills allowed the Chiefs to trade into their spot when they also needed a wide receiver, and we'll get to what they didn't do later, but the Chiefs of all teams to trade with allow to come into that space and take a guy that amps up their offense. I don't know. You know what? Just because it's the Bills, I guess it could have been anyone. It just seems to me if you're a Bills fan, you're like, Excuse me, you did what? Where? Now? Today?

With the chiefs? Well, let's ask Eric, the producer. Eric, where are you at? Yeah, it's definitely the situation.

You don't do it with the chiefs.

They might as well be in your division. It's even worse. I think it's worse. Yeah, it's true. It's worse. I mean, the Jets haven't ripped our heart out every year for the last three years. No, they're the ones that won't let you go to a Super Bowl. You're on the blacklist.

Then you give them a speedster that we're probably going to give you a Tyree kill flash of the first-backs. Then, like Mark alluded to, they eventually trade themselves out of the first round entirely and don't address anything. It was a weird day. I hear that, but if the value was good, and it didn't get that much, actually. They just got a move up from the third to the fourth. It's like 27 straight teams didn't want Xavier worthy. The Bills didn't want Xavier worthy.

Can I argue?

Maybe Xavier worthy would have felt like two or three more. Can I make one-I think it would be a good pick.

One argument, though, Greg, because the way it turns out, and the Bills will pick first of all, two more wide receivers went off the board before they'll pick again. So it's not just about Xavier worthy.

But maybe they-If you're a Bills fan, you're like, What are Are you the AFC's Cowboys this offseason?

What are we doing?

But there are a million more... Like, AD Mitchell, who is a lot of people's wide receiver, four or five, is still there and was commonly mocked to the bills, including, I think, by you, Mark, because I think that was the one pick you and Walker had the same. They could still take him there at 33. I do think worthy, though, is going to end up being a big part of our lives because he's with the Chiefs. He's not John Ross. He's not Henry Rugs to me. He's a great route runner. He has real lateral movement skills. Now, can he survive at that weight? That is a larger question. But he was on a team with another guy who was going to get taken very early tomorrow, AD Mitchell. Xavier worthy was clearly the one. His speed just made defenses have to approach them completely different. I think he's going to be a weapon.

The Dallas Cowboys had picked 29. They want to make that splash this season, but it just Nothing seems to be going their way. They do end up with Tyler Gaiton, who is a very big, very physical, very fast, and athlet gifted tackle prospect out of Oklahoma. But another guy like Mims, we're talking about only 15 college starts. He's seen as a raw prospect, and for a team that's very much all in now, there's a little bit of a gamble here that can you get him up to speed and have him be a contributor right now, especially within a hole on the line after Tyron Smith?

Now, supposedly, they really wanted a tackle, and Graham Barton was a tackle in college, but some people see him more as a center or an interior lineman in the pros. But that was our guy, Nate Tice. One of his very favorite players in the draft thought he's being way overlooked. Like a top 15 player just going to be as safe a pick as he could possibly have, a guy that can play right away. They ended up trading out of that pick when people thought they might take him, maybe hoping he'd fall to 29. Instead, they got a guy who looks like a project, and they need guys to play right away. And Gaiton is supposed to be one of those guys that might need a year or two to develop.

I like what the Cardinals did, too, by the way, Darius Robinson. But go back to Graham Barton. I think Graham Barton, the Bucks took him, is one of the He's an intriguing linemen in this entire draft. We talked about him a couple of shows ago, can play all over the place. I think that's the steal for the Bucks. I thought he was going to go to Philadelphia if they didn't go cornerback.

Jason Light has been, I think, a good making their offensive line. The pics don't always look good like the first year. Like, Gedecky didn't look great the first year. Then it looks pretty good a year or two later. He's done a nice job.

The Ravens take Nate Wiggens, the cornerback out of Clemson. The Niners take Ricky Pearsall, the wide receiver out of Florida. That sounds very spicy potentially in that offense. More questions about what's the future in that wide receiver room because you're just adding another big-time player or first-round pick, and You already have Debo Samuel there. Still have, obviously, have Brandon Ayuk there. There's still room for them all, Greggy, but just something to keep an eye on. The Panthers, then, they have the first pick of the second round, but they say, No, we want to get into the first round. So they trade with the Bills who trade out of the first round entirely. They take Xavier Laguette, wide receiver, out of South Carolina. The final wide receiver taken. Tons of wide receiver, seven in the first round. Thoughts?

Well, the pure salt pick I was really keeping an eye on when that went on the board, because earlier in the day, Tom Curran put out there on one of his shows just talking that the Patriots have been working on an Iyuk trade. It's not definitive, but when the 49ers get on the board, keep an eye, if they take a wide receiver, then we might be talking a lot on Friday, whether the Patriots end up trading that number 34 overall pick. They have the number 2 pick in the second round as part of a Brandon Ayouk trade. John Lynch laughed it off a little bit. They asked him about a press conference Thursday night, saying, Why are we always the ones that people are talking about with trades, which is not a denial. It wasn't as specific, but Mike Silver and Dianne Rossini separately reported on Thursday that the 49ers had been offering Ayuk and/or Debo Samniel in different trades. They said maybe trying to get way up in the draft, like trying to get to the top 10. That clearly didn't happen. That was before the draft, but it really makes it sound like they're open to trading Iuk.

Man, if the Patriots could get that, do that.

I thought that it certainly seems strong I don't think they were trying to get up into the first round to make a move to get a different type of wide receiver somewhere else if they're going to trade one of those guys. But throwing Debo in there, that threw me for a loop, that they're both available. I don't think they're both available, but one or the other is available.

That is That's pretty wild. That would be a salary cap is a real trade if they traded Ayuk for the 34th overall pick that they thought whoever was on the board would be worth it. Pierre Saul is more of a vertical A lot, guy. Got a lot of pop from Harmon on our wide receiver.

He sure did.

He's a 24-year-old rookie, but I don't... Again, get him for four years.

College football, and now it's going to end. It's so weird with the COVID year thing. Right.

Got a lot of older rookies.

Jaden Daniels was once throwing to Ricky Pearsaw at Arizona State. Okay, that's not that crazy. Sure. And Brandon Ayuk. It's like, what? Brandon Ayuk has been in the NFL, it feels like for a long time. Jaden Daniels was throwing to... I don't know.

And also Steve Smith senior. He threw to him, too.

And none of them on the team that you associate them with. It was Herm Edwards' Arizona State team.

All right, there you go. That's the first 32. Why don't we check in, Mark? You had your Max Esler, Mark Drap. What were the results? Let's bring it up. What do we got here? All right, so you're going three for three out of the gate. I think pretty much everybody did. You got Bo Nicks to the Broncos.

Nice. You had him at 27, just for everyone listening.We also have a And he went up on-12, I believe.

But we're giving you that, obviously.

And... Neighbors, Giants.

Malik Nabors to the New York.

And also we got the Saints pick there.Oh.

You got Thales Fuaga to the Saints.That's a good one. That's nice.

But overall, Hum Drum, let's be honest, a failure.So you gotNot up to my standards.1.

2, 3. You got 5 out of 32.Is that correct?6.

Because you got JJ McCarthy. It was a later pick, but that counts.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.No, no, no. I see what you guys are trying to do. 7, 4, plus 1, plus 1, plus 1 is 7. 7.

Wait, I still don't see the 7.

Because you're colorblind. I'm not making fun of you. You told us that, but the one in the middle, the Saints one, it looks like the other ones because it's Saints colors, but it's like the top 4.I.

Got that.

The top 4. Then the Giants, that's 5. Then in the middle column, that's the Saints, that's number 6. Then the Bright Orange Bronco is Bo Nicks is seven.

This is great podcast.

For 2025, can we keep in mind that one of the co-hosts is colorblind?

That was not the issue. Just a tough addition.

So seven out of 32. I feel like that's probably around industry average, I would guess.

I think some stuff I had also for the show, and it's not... If I had with a gun in my head, I had 18 trades in the first round, and a lot of that stuff just did not happen.

I thought Mark was going to sneak in one with Buffalo, with Mitchell in the last couple of pics. I thought he was going to sneak in one more.

Yeah, but the bills are like, We are determined to win six games next season.

They ruined my niece's night. She watched the draft for the first time. New Buffalo fan to understand what's going on. They're giving her a heads up of what to expect over the next 80 years.

All night I got a video of her being very upset. You taped it Wednesday. It's relatively early on. There's some last minute reporting that you probably would have changed.

It's cheating the people that put out the mock draft after the last second reporting.

Yeah, and I refuse to do that. I don't see a lot of integrity there.

You know what? You absolutely destroyed my son, Walker Rosenthal.

Like on the tennis courts.How.

Did he do?That wasn't my main goal, but how did he do?

He could not have done worse.Chicken scratch.Chicken scratch. I love that he's so committed to his mock draft. He would not let me take it in or even write on it, but I did take a picture and highlight. He got two pics right. He got Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison, right? And that's it. Now, he made this two weeks ago, so that was especially early.

Wait, he should have done a 2.0. Sure.

He didn't want to.

I'm surprised he didn't want to. He loves this stuff.

Well, he was doing-He's your little Marinovich. He was doing mock draft simulators just on websites over over and over repeatedly, but that was his one.

Not a lot of nine-year-olds are getting any of these rights, so kudos to him.

Maybe this, I think you can, and I'm sure you did let him know because he did disappoint you, I know on this, but that doing a final mock draft two weeks before is putting you way behind the eight ball. That's a good point. When your competitor did it the day before the draft.

I admired tonight. He was taking notes, and he was writing all the pics as they were happening. He loves it. I love it. I enjoy A certified young superfan.

That's what the NFL craves.

They are craving what he's offering.

All right. We hope you craved what we had to offer on today's episode. We will be back on Saturday. Friday, we're going to let it all soak in round 2 and 3. Then Saturday, 4, 5, 6, 7, we will be recording that afternoon here from Los Angeles and have something up for you shortly after the draft wraps up. And that's it. That's it. That's a good rundown of round 1, I feel like.

I'd agree. That we did what we needed to do.

Yeah. Someone's got to take our guy Cooper to Jean, whatever happened to him.

He's going tomorrow, kill tomorrow. He's the call.