You seemed like the most stable guy in that English team, and I'm not demeaning the other guys. They were all dynamite. Why did they pick Michael Varner's captain? You brought a lot of stability.

Incredible players, though. To have those players, Steve Halmson, Ballard Nightmals, and now Simon Jones, very similar. Matthew Hogard, well, he was a character. He was mad, but then Freddie Flint, off Kevin Peterson, Trish Goth. Darren Goff. Darren Goff was finishing when I started, but no real characters of the game. I always believe in any sport, in particular cricket, we have a lot of characters that you've got to allow them to be characters. I believe the job of the leader of the team and the management group is you don't want to take that character away from someone.