First-time founders, you do have some of these aspirations, like raising your first million dollars, getting your first customer, getting TechCrunch was one of them back in the day.

Would you say your phase post TechCrunch and YC has been just the run-of-the-mill, running a business, facing problems?

I wouldn't call it run-of-the-mill. It's like a sine wave. Higher highs and lower lows.

This is what the Shark Tank watching audience doesn't understand about the truth of running businesses, the higher highs and lower lows. As amazing as Shark Tank has been for business education in our country and all over the world, no one covers this aspect of as a leader and a founder in a company, over time, when you have more and more employees, today we have 300, you feel a sense of responsibility.