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And as a former guide, I resent that intro that you do, but you rode.

There is no gas money. It would have been a lunch money trip for you. No, no.

We still had to drive to the river. There was gas involved. And you're forgetting about paying for shuttles.

Shuttle shuttles? Yeah. Yeah. Shuttle shuttle money through some shuttle money. It's not. I hate it.

I always hated the O u is just river goods, you know, overhead anyway. Anyway, moving on.

So there's no rowing or shells involved. But I did get away for a long weekend with the family recently, which was nice on some hikes up in the mountains, did some small creek fishing, which I love. And it was it was just gorgeous. The cottonwoods were all lit up yellow and it was like that water that's so cold, it almost feels like it's hot, like it gets your feet, you know, and and tie a little brook streams.

And the brickies were Bourges were like full on fall colors to men. They're just glowing with the white Redfin's and the black line Gumbs, you know, you know, to get this time of year.

Yeah. And I mean there brewskis. So they eat everything. We threw them. It was just. Yeah it was.

So I was going to say the best thing about a while Brooky, is it'll eat anything significant. Adams doesn't make any difference.

No, I literally was changing, changing it up just to see what will they eat this too. Like yeah. This thing I found at the bottom of the bag will eat that. It was great. But I've got to say, for as great as the week it was and we had a blast, you know, it sucked the coffee.

Ah yeah. No, we were staying in this cheap little Airbnb and we forgot to bring our own coffee. And it was one of those moments where my wife and I like we look at each other and we never thought of ourselves as coffee snob people, but we had this realization that we have become them and that we've just gotten totally spoiled because every day we get up and we drink Black Reifel coffee. And as much as we didn't want to come home from the trip, we both genuinely missed waking up to an excellent cup of brew.

That was that was the one good thing about coming home.

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I just got to throw this out there, man. Here at Ben, we definitely need to throw a shout out to the women and men sweating their respective genitalia off and literally putting their bodies in front of walls of fire, which I can't imagine because, like know, I feel heroic.

After mowing the lawn on a hot day, you know, like sit down and survey the property. And I'm like, I did some some real shit here today.

But, you know, one thing to know about those firefighters, they're not only out there saving homes and businesses. Right. They're also protecting watersheds. So in Oregon, California, Washington, Idaho, they've saved some critical salmon and steelhead spawning grounds in the process. And we greatly appreciate their work and sacrifice.

Now we do.

Speaking of spawning grounds where it has it, the famed Salmon River in Pulaski, New York, is now roid raging with king salmon teeming with mud sharks, as I like to call them, which means the sleepy hamlet is once again overrun with Giambrone from NYC and Philly and Jersey and Boston, places where all my friends live.

They're just out there slinging led gobs of yarn for a giant, tired fish that are rotting from the inside out.

Personally, I avoid salmon season like the plague. I don't I don't go for the salmon run. I just wait for the steelhead to show up a little later. But I know many of you can't wait to be one of the fifty people flexing around a 50 foot long hole. So this week, our friend Ray Liotta has the skinny on what's happening up there. And yes, we do mean that Ray Liotta, who quit smoking using Chantix and then replace that addiction with salmon fishing.

Hey, how are you doing? This is Ray at Ray Liotta, bait and tackle and police guy New York calling in this week's salmon fishing report. Based on what customers and a few trusted sources are telling me, the salmon are generally being assholes right now. They don't want to eat nothing but fancy flies presented on those long rides. The kids hold like a Louisville slugger with two hands usno. The group I'm talking about out there waving that shit around like ballet dancers, spray casting, I think they call it.

Anyway, word on the street is if you drift in exact pass the salmon, they're like you spammy. You bounce a piece of yarn right off their nose and they're like, you spray me and I'm just with you. We all know that fly fishing is shit. Last week, a kid got too close to me waving one of those rods around at the Muskrat Hole. And let's just say he can barely hold the call button next to his ICU bed, let alone a flip of the kings have been running strong, but the silvers are slow to start.

Those big bastard kings, though, haven't been able to resist a lot of kitchen sponge soaked in Ray Leotis famous salmon sauce only available here at the shop. I got Nikki and some kid named Wayne or Duane or whatever, something cooking up more in sauce in the back. Right now we use only shrimp oil imported directly from Palermo and Nicky slices the Velveeta so thin it melts instantly. The crowds have been so out of control. I've been sending little Jimmy Binelli out in the middle of the night to lock up a hole for me and the guys.

He just sits there until sunup. And as fishermen show up, he gently explains why it will be a good idea for them to fish elsewhere. He's a good kid and it's been working out real well. Two weeks ago, during the first big push of the Kings, I showed up at the Lower Claypoole at 1:00 pm after a few deliveries and breakfast with Karen. And there was nobody there, not one. Angler, I was like, oh, Jimmy, you son of a bitch, you did it that afternoon, it was like we were the kings of the river.

We landed forty seven salmon, onion and pom poms dipped in sauce before Tommy went home to get his spinner box so we could start snagging them in the assholes just for fun. Anyway, I'll check in with you next week. And remember, Railyard as bait and tackle is here to serve use 24/7 during salmon season if the shop is closed. My pager and we can arrange a delivery of your tackle needs to one of our many off site drop locations.

I had no idea that Ray got into the tackle business seems like a really poor choice.

Hey, you know, the impression I get is one of many businesses he's into.

I, I bumped into him up there at the river house, but only on the nights when they got the veal parm special.

You know, he's he's a good guy. It's really good. It's almost enough, almost enough to make me want to go there and fish, but not quite. I got to say, though, dude, I am I'm genuinely surprised that he was willing to give us a report. I mean, considering that we ripped off one of his lines and we use it in a segment all the time. Yeah. We just steal his stuff and he's like, that's fine, I'll work with those guys anyway.

But speaking of which, I do believe that it is time for that segment that.

Why didn't you tell me why it is that time again for probably my favorite segment that we have, it's smooth moves where we call up guides and captains and mates and pretty much anybody who is dependent on taking people fishing to make their living. And we get them to tell us ridiculous stories about things the clients have done. And today we are talking with my good, good friend Steve Daly, who is the only Tasmanian guiding for trout in Arkansas that I know of.

Steve, what's going on, man?

Well, you be right for the first time, wouldn't it, buddy? Hey, there's a first time for everything. I'm good. I'm good.

It's it's it's nice to hear your voice, even though we don't get to hang out that much anymore. Do us a favor, man.

Tell us the smooth moves you got. We're looking forward to this. What what's your story?

Well, you know, I got in the White River and both of you guys have been to our area on our water chasing big fish. And probably about 80 percent of the customers we have come in want a big trophy trout, and about 20 percent of the customers can actually physically and mentally get it done.

And for those you don't know, the White River does grow freakishly large brown trout. It just does.

Yeah, and there's a lot of them, but they're incredibly hard to catch to. Like, you need more than just you need a skill set, you need attitude, you need luck. You need whether you need the right guide and everything's got to come together and even then you can dig it up.

OK, so I know that I have this customer, Sherman.

I'll keep not very secret. Sherman Sherman comes to visit and semicon fish rod serpens got it all. He's got good skill set. Good guy to hang out in the boat with. Prepared to put in the work. He does it all and we have this trip lined up and the weather conditions were looking really almost he's like man I don't know if I can come and fish in the rain. I'm like do have to give me a half day in the morning.

The water looks good, everything is lining up and we get out there and. Like everything just coming together, it's got that whole Gothic low cloud, you know, held of the Baskervilles howling off in the hills. The water's really greasy, you know that as Plautus Lucky Porter says it's greasy water and the fish are biting. And he's put 10 brown trout in the boat from eighteen to twenty one. And we're doing a we're doing a six mile flight.

Dainton, right? Yeah, we haven't got a big one. Yeah, I know that's really sick. The fact that twenty two isn't the big fish, we're looking for a two footer and we came unbuttoned on one and we've got to the last bank and we like four hundred yards from the ramp and we know we're coming out. It's like man think we can get one here. This is just the legit discovered a tied on one of my flies.

Let's just roll down here and Sherman's a left and I don't on that left bank. He's fishing behind me in the boat and he puts the fly up onto the ledge, gives it one strip off and this Bahi this just comes up and if you it's that pretty pretty eat right. Fish mouth opens in the hole, six inch fly. It's six inches. Just takes the whole thing. It's gone. It looks tiny going to this boat and it sucks into the corner of the mast.

I'm just like oh God it's it's all right. I'm seeing, I'm already seeing the front page of fly-Fishing. The magazine is going to imply it's coming on the right. I'm going to be I'm going to be holding it to this. But I haven't said anything right.

Because I know it's all good and Sherman's been so good all morning. Right. This is meant to happen. And you remember, he's sitting here behind me fighting this fish, and I've looked over my shoulder and this fish has come back and it's just rolled next to the boat has rolled sideways. So we've seen the forward to the fish and I've seen at least a foot of fish. OK, so that's like a twenty four inch girth. That's 15 parrotfish.

Right next to the boat, tired, and I cringed and I grabbed the net, most stood up and I remember thinking in my head, I'm going to say German next time around. We've got this fish is going in it. And I heard those fateful words. Steve, what do I do? What do I to educate in the boat? I'm trying to process it seems like my home is this is this like bass fishing stuff's not connecting and I'll watch his live sorry, his right.

Because he's a lefty right hand, very tip on the rod and grab the blank. At this point, I'm like, God, I'm like all I can say is no, no.

And he has he's tried it. And let me tell you, gentlemen, I can assure you you cannot Poljac. You cannot. Poljac, a 15 batfish into a boat on 50 bounties.

Oh, no, that was it.

And I didn't even get to say this way. It's on the bottom and it's. It's. Oh, no, that's that's good. It was such a magical story when you were just talking about the eat because I was thinking every big brown I ever have come after my fly happens when I pile cast and shits wrapped around my legs like it's never on the perfect cast for. He's like, he's going to eat that one.

Sometimes the fishing gods reach down and put a little light on your forehead and that was their moment and apparently burned out right at the end game for this guy.

Oh, dude, I've spoken with numerous psychologists who are trying to help us. This never happen again, so. And the first thing I've heard from Shimek because I just can't speak, I can't even look at the guy, right. He's broken off the fish of a lifetime. So I can't look at him and I just hear the one word of four and starting with just ringing off the heels of the sax, he said. And then he turned to me and he said.

This is about five minutes later, I've got my head out of my hands, he said, Steve, I shit my pants, didn't I? I said, but cannot tell a lie. It was all over. So say I.

Christou as Daschle and his fellow Aussies would say. That story was gutting, gutting, I'm going to start using that word. I wasn't even there and I'm still gutted. That's one of my favorite Commonwealth phrases. I am gutted. And just for the record, I've I have known Steve Daly for a long time, and I will vouch right here and now for the fact that he is more likely to underestimate the size of a fish than overestimate it. So I believe every word.

Yeah.

And I I mean, I know Steve only by reputation. I've never met him, but I've been hearing about him for years.

And I will say that man just knows how to tell a good fishing story and not not everybody can do that.

So I vote for bringing him back on the regular a second set and there are only two votes here. So I think he's coming back whether he wants to or not.

And the guys, he's just a storyteller like period. Full stop. Yeah, I imagine that's part of what makes him a good guy, because if the fishing sucks, you better be able to tell a good story. People aren't coming back. I've listened to that dude, tell stories about cricket matches and been completely enthralled, even though I do not understand a single thing about the sport of cricket like nothing at all.

It's like baseball with flat bats and knickers and you have to wear knickers. I don't I don't really know.

I'm not in much of anything British. I don't get cricket or rugby, Riverkeepers, parliamentary government.

Why people think Oasis was so great. Oh really rubs me wrong.

But but I do know that our word for this week does have something to do with the Brits. And I don't want to steal your thunder, so I'll let Miles take it from here with the weekly word.

Webster's Dictionary defines fish as. This week's word is angling, as in another word for fishing, as in while angling for halibut, the angler had an unfortunate encounter with a harbor seal and is now missing a few digits. Those of us who write about fishing like Joe and I find angling a useful term, it offers an alternative to fishing or fishermen, which is nice for a couple of reasons. One, writers get sick of using the same word over and over again.

And two, the term anglers, gender neutral as is fishing and as you're about to learn, it has been for a very long time. But where do we get angling? Is it actually a synonym for fishing and would you believe its origin is entwined with the beginnings of the English language? To answer that, I have to go back a very long way, like the fifth century, way back to the Anglo Saxons, you know, the Germanic peoples who colonized the British Isles after the fall of Rome and invented English.

This language I'm speaking right now. Well, the Anglo part of their name comes from the Engels tribe, whose original homeland, which they called Àngel, was a peninsula in Denmark with a vague hook shape to it.

If you really squint hard, the angles were fishing people and they carried their language and culture with them when they migrated west. Quick recap. English comes from the root Anglo, which got its name from the tribe Engle's, who were named for a fishhook. So in a weird way, our very language is rooted in fishing.

By the time English became an actual language several hundred years later, the word angle referred to any curved object it could be used to hook a fish. The earliest known written work about fishing titled Treatise on Fishing with an angle published in fourteen ninety six, is often attributed to a bad ass hunting and fishing none. Dame Juliana Burner's. The book details how to make Rod's lines, hooks and lures and even delves into concepts of ethics, private land and conservation.

Some historians disagree about whether Burner's actually penned that work or if she even existed, but no one has a better answer. So we're just sticking with the badass nun writing the first how to book on fishing. Anyway, my point is in that title treatise on fishing with an angle, the noun angle stands in for Fishhook. Somewhat confusingly, in that same book burners also uses angle in the geometric sense. She spends a whole lot of time talking about the importance of the angle of rod to line for effectively casting and hooking fish.

Though that word choice may have muddied her meaning a bit, it also might have helped transition the noun angle as in fishhook into the verb to angle.

Over the next couple of centuries, the language evolved as languages do, and angling became a well-established term. By the time Isaac Walton published his iconic book, The Complete Angler in sixteen fifty three, angling was just a common term for fishing, and it stayed that way ever since. So that pretty much covers where the term came from, and if you think about it, you can see that angling and fishing, they're not exactly the same thing. An angler fishes with an angle or hook.

A fisherman just catches fish. Noodling for catfish doesn't count as angling. Neither does throwing a cast net, flinging a spear, setting a fish trap or gathering shellfish. But all of those are fascinating and skillful ways of trying to capture fish.

What I'm trying to say is, by that definition, I'd rather be known as a fisherman than an angler, but it still doesn't solve the problem of what to call badass women who are good at all types of fishing. I'm stuck on this one because I really appreciate specific and accurate language. I think we need to come up with a new word that describes all people who like to pursue fish in all possible ways.

But I'll have it yet. Fishers, fish, people, aqualung, I really don't know. But I want to know what you think. Let's figure this out together. Maybe we can come up with a new word and have it catch on.

Hey, what the hell was that, man?

Got a little carried away.

I was some rambling Russell Crowe beautiful mind shit. I don't I don't know of any part of that was true, but I respect that. I guess either way, it's weird.

Either way, you spent way too much time researching the roots of that word or you're more creative than I thought.

It's one or the other. I don't know both. It's actually both.

I will say, though, that I like the idea of coining a new gender neutral term to replace fishermen. If we actually ever pulled that off, we'd have to report on ourselves for Fish News.

But that's not happening this week. That escalated quickly, so welcome to Fish News, the part of the show where we cue you guys into all kinds of recent fishing and fish related happenings out there in the world.

For those of you who have not been following along.

This is a competition and a serious one at that very serious, very serious, friendly reminder that Miles and I do not know which news stories the other dude is bringing to the table. And our magical engineer, Phil, at the end of each news segment weighs in to declare one of us a victor and one of us a complete and total loser. Last week, that was me. So maybe maybe I'll bring it this week.

We'll see.

But before we actually get to the news, Miles, I do believe you do have a few comments you want to make about some some some tools about do we have to have tool issues based on the last episode?

Well, I may have have technically one fish news last week. I also kind of proved myself to be a loser.

So I told the story of a muscular who free to fish in Wisconsin from a diving ring using bolt cutters. And in doing so, I made a snide comment wondering, well, who carries bolt cutters on their boat?

Apparently, the answer is serious.

Musky anglers listener Jeff von Holtom writes, Musky anglers routinely carry bolt cutters in order to cut hooks during a difficult release.

Jeff goes on to say, You try cutting in eight oh for extra mustard with a side cutter, you will struggle. So thanks for keeping me honest there, Jeff. And and calling it out when I screwed it up. Any time we screw stuff up, we want to hear from and I got to jump in and say that I deserve to be called out as a dankest for that one too.

Because, listen, people like when you're recording this stuff in the heat of the moment, like how many times we get done it. Like I said, some completely idiotic stuff. I have posted videos of people using bolt cutters on musky boats to cut musky hooks out of themselves.

I freakin knew that, too.

And it was just nowhere in my brain. And then I just went to the default, make fun of dirty people from Jersey like me.

So I.

I failed there, too, you know, we all fail sometimes. Hopefully I will not fail.

Today, though, it is a little bit more possible because the lead off man in any news day tends to have a leg up. And this week that is you sir. It is. It is.

And hopefully I won't I won't make an ass of myself this week, but we'll see plenty of opportunities for that happen. All right.

So last week, the Army Corps of Engineers announced that they will open a public comment period for a fish farming pilot project proposed off the coast of Sarasota, Florida. This comes after the EPA issued the aquaculture developer Ocean Era, a wastewater discharge permit for the project on September 30th. Now, this is not the standard inshore net pen fish farm that we're all accustomed to dubbed the Villella.

I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right. The Lailah, something like that Lailah Epsilon project. This is the latest outgrowth of Ocean Ara's development of open ocean aquaculture pens for the past decade. Plus in Hawaii, ocean era has been developing what they call octopods, large copper alloy mesh orbs that can be deployed in the open ocean and house, several thousand fish. The idea is that this could be a sustainable form of fish farming because the pens are an open ocean.

Tide and swell activity could theoretically disperse waste instead of concentrating it in bays and estuaries, which is what happens with traditional aquaculture. And I got to say, the engineering on these things is pretty mind blowing. So what they're talking about doing is, is they're going to drop this pen forty five miles out to sea in the Gulf of Mexico and leave it there for 12 to 18 months to test it out.

It would be secured with what they call a multi anchor swivel mooring system.

The pen would be attached to three different three ton drag anchors by two and still chain in about 130 feet of water. So most of the time, the pen is just would be floating there on the ocean surface.

But when a storm approaches, the flotation system can be flooded with water so that it sinks to the bottom. And the theory here is that the pen itself will be safer from wind and waves and surge in the middle of a storm if it's down on the bottom, if it's below everything.

All of this, the whole thing is controlled remotely and just requires a one single weekly technician visit to refill the fish feeder and recharge the generator, Ocean Eryr claims that their previous tests of similar pens in Hawaii produced outstanding fish while leaving no significant impact on ocean ecosystems.

But local critics of this project are not buying it. They argue that the area is already struggling with massive red tides, exacerbated by elevated levels of nitrogen and phosphorus in the water.

That's what I was thinking about. That part of the world is red tide central. Exactly.

And and they're saying, like these pens could add to the problem. Additionally, like any other aquaculture, right, the fish in these pens could carry infectious disease.

And so if this kind of untested technology were to fail and the fish could escape, they might do harm to the local fish populations. As of right now, commercial fish farming in federal waters is prohibited.

Ocean Era is working to secure EPA permits for this test. But for right now anyway, they can't go any further than that. A federal court of appeals held that offshore fish farming in federal waters cannot be permitted under current policy. That just happened in August. So large scale offshore fish farms remain illegal unless Congress passes new legislation. So why is ocean area even bothering with all this research and testing if the scaling up of this technology is not allowed? Well, because it might not be illegal for long.

Senator Marco Rubio, the from Florida, recently introduced the Advancing the Quality and Understanding of American Aquaculture Act or the Akwa for short that would open up how many times there's a right that some, you know, some aid and paperwork.

I already forgot it.

I just go acquire, acquire, acquire.

If that passes, it would open up offshore federal waters to fish farms. And that follows a Trump administration executive order mandating an expansion of American aquaculture.

All right. So it's a lot. I know. I just wanted to step in here at the end and say I'm not going to claim that this issue is simple because it's not. We know that current fish farming practices are detrimental to ecosystems and wild fish populations. We've seen that happen. We also know that global demand for fish and seafood isn't sustainable. We are literally fishing out the oceans. Yeah, right.

So in theory, sustainable aquaculture like that offers a potential solution that the idea of sustainable aquaculture is is really attractive.

If we can figure out how to raise fish on an industrial scale without destroying habitat, I mean, I'd be all for it.

They'd be great.

But I'm wary of fish farming in general because it has a terrible track record. And and, you know, I got to say, I have to clear one thing up. I'm talking explicitly about fish, not mollusks or bivalves.

Oyster farming seems to be working pretty well. Right. But, you know, much like sulfide mining near sensitive watersheds. This strikes me as the wrong place to test this technology out. Like you were saying earlier, Joe, like the Gulf of Mexico, that whole area is already dealing with a lot and adding more potential stress to that marine system. Just that just it seems really risky. It just does. Yeah.

So this is one of those deals where on paper, it sounds like a good idea. But I mean, I have so many questions which you might not have the answers to. I mean, first and foremost, like what kind of fish are we raising in a copper bubble. Forty five miles offshore.

So they've done it with a few different kinds of fish, the ones that they did in Hawaii or are it's a type of fish that's out there. But the ones that they want to do in Florida, Texas that are Jacques's. Which kind of blows my mind. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that classic fish that, like one in 50 guys is like, are you talking about them? Cavallo's delicious. They're not. Dude, I wish I could remember the exact Amoco's, but it's.

Yeah, it's Alagoas. Exactly.

It's exactly what I actually just called some Amoco's here in Jersey a couple of weekends ago. How about that?

I mean, I feel like, you know, when you're talking about farmed salmon and things, a lot of times you have these farms in places where those fish don't naturally exist. Therefore, when something goes wrong, it's it's it's catastrophic. Right.

So, I mean, if we're raising a fish that if hypothetically all got released forty five miles offshore wouldn't make any difference anyway. I mean, I feel like that's that's a little safer in that regard, except for one thing, right?

Yes. They're native to that area, but they've been pumped full of all kinds of antibiotics and stuff. So them getting out could potentially there could be a problem there. It's not like there's no risk. Yeah.

And for anybody, you know, this this is like a new idea to. So Hawaii had a version of this. And I've only ever fish in Southern California one time, but I don't want to get off on it. But I was so blown away once we got in Mexican waters, they were in U.S. waters, just these miles of pens out in the open ocean. And I'm like, why is that? And they're like, they're tuna pens.

They're full of bluefin tuna. And that was the first time I ever saw any sort of open ocean pen farm, whatever you want to call it.

So it's it's I think the the method here is new, but I mean, stuff like this to some degree has been done before. I will say that if they put it out there, I mean, if you're a mahi fisherman, that's your spot. I don't know.

Just imagine. Oh, my gosh. Can you just imagine?

I mean, that's the world's biggest what is it called? A fish fabricated, whatever.

They're illegal fat Fatfat fish. Yeah, a tracking device.

So, you know, I, I think it's an interesting idea. I get what they're saying, too, about the wastewater. That does make sense because a lot of these issues stem from the wastewater that that farms produce.

So, yeah, you have the tide naturally flushing out all the fish shit. Yes.

It's I don't I don't I don't know, man. Like, it's such a it's such a big picture thing. There's no right or wrong right now.

There's all this and this like this one pen. Right. You're talking about like a pretty small scale thing. It's not this is not the test. That's the issue. It's what it opens the door to on a bigger scale. That's the thing. That's potentially an issue. So, I mean, I recommend everybody who is out there who's concerned with this, like, do your own research come to your own conclusions?

The public comment period is not open yet for the Army Corps of Engineers, but it will be soon and and contact them. Let them know what you think. Give them your thoughts. Make your voice heard. And one of the thing before we move on, Joe, I totally mispronounced a Hawaiian word in there. And all my my people will hate me.

Carpaccio is the name of that fish company.

OK, you're right. You're right. You're wrong. This time I will just tack on that.

I feel bad for that one lone due to ask to make the forty five mile run there and back once a week to to to feed the fish. That's a terrible job since everything else is remote.

But anyway so we'll, I'll transition is here from growing them growing fish to slaughter them in an interesting story here and I feel like we've tried pretty hard to keep the covid out of our news because like who? Like we're all hearing it. Right.

But this one was just too juicy for for me to let it go. So this story comes to us from Sky News headline Coronavirus Colon. Half a million sharks could be killed for vaccine. Experts warn.

I heard about this. I didn't dig it. But this I heard about this. All right. This is what I was I was worried that you were going to grab because I could see either one of us. This is some miles knows to it for except it's shark.

So it's pretty. You know, it's pretty much Jo's story. Yeah. So from this story, half a million sharks could be killed for their natural oil to produce coronavirus vaccines. According to conservationist's. One ingredient used in some covid-19 vaccine candidates is squalene, squalene, squalene, slippy slopy, Samsonite, wego squalene. So I'm going to say it a million times. So whatever. And which is a natural oil made in the liver of sharks. British pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline currently uses shark squalene in flu vaccine, and the company said it would manufacture a billion doses of this adjuvant for potential use in coronavirus vaccines in May.

Now, according to this story, around three thousand sharks are needed to extract one ton of squalene. And shark allies, a California based group, suggest that if the world's population received one dose of a covid-19 vaccine containing the liver oil to make that happen, around 250000 sharks would need to be slaughtered depending on the amount of squalene used.

Now we're all following the news on covid. How do you know that it's crammed down your throat? And what we're hearing, at least from a lot of sources, is that if and when there is a vaccine, it's probably going to be a double dose or, you know, you go back for your booster shot. So this story says if two doses are needed to immunize the global population, which is likely, according to researchers, this would increase the shark death to half a million sharks would have to die to provide enough squalene for all those vaccines to harm.

Right.

So this goes on to say, To avoid threatening shark populations, scientists are testing an alternative to squalene, a synthetic version made from fermented sugarcane, which which is cool.

Now, according to estimates made by conservationists, around three million sharks are killed every year for squalene, which is also used apparently in cosmetics and machine oil. And there are fears that a sudden rise in demand for the liver oil could threaten populations and see more species become endangered, as many species rich in squalene, such as the gulper shark, are already vulnerable. I'm sorry, gulper shark.

I've never heard of you. I had to look that up. That's a no, I don't know. So it's a member of the Dogfish family and apparently lives in very deep, murky water all around the world that's got these weird green eyes. Gulper shark never heard of right now, of course.

Right. This piece is illustrated with stock photos of great whites and such.

And I don't think anybody is hunting great whites down for their squalene. But I got to be totally honest, man, this is legitimately news to me.

I was not hip to the use of any shark byproducts in vaccines.

However, I will say that sadly. Right. I feel like this is your classic covid story that's just simply like not likely to make the impact. Certain people are hoping it will, you know, because like, we're so beaten over the head over numbers and vaccine news and now the president's got it and blah, blah, blah. And you don't have the same impact as those buried covid stories like science confirms Yorkshire terriers most common carriers among dogs.

You know, it's like there's so many bigger picture covid things going around that I just don't know, you know, if this is going to have the impact.

But you throw in a little devil's advocate just to keep it unbiased.

Unlike the real news, we keep it unbiased here. I found another story about this on Echo Watch Dotcom. And here are just a couple of interesting factoids from that one. Squalene has been used in flu vaccine since 1997. Boston twenty five news reported and has a, quote, excellent safety record, according to the CDC that was in the Miami Herald. It could also help reduce the amount of vaccine needed per person. Squalene, so you could have help there and then in a popular online campaign, Shahak allies outlined the nunchaku alternatives for squalene already in existence.

Plant based oils can be harvested from things like yeast, wheat, germ, sugar cane and olive oil. But the problem with these alternatives is that they are about 30 percent more expensive and harder to extract than shark based squalene. So if this is all accurate, right, this is a this is a dilly of a pickle now, isn't it?

Because you and I and everyone at Meat Eater and everyone pretty much in the outdoor industry aligns themselves with conservation efforts. We've talked on this show before about how you and I agree with shark conservation in particular.

Absolutely.

But then, given the circumstances, I feel like most people's reaction to this story in this country right now would be like, hey, if killing a shitload of sharks gets me a safer vaccine faster and we get through this bullshit, like just kill them like anything that will get us back to normalcy right now.

So the organizations fighting against this and trying to push these synthetics, man, you got a hard fight ahead of you right now, you know, especially because nobody knows the last time. Exactly. Exactly.

It's not like it's not like we're going to pause this process of developing and disseminating a vaccine so that we can have an argument about shark populations. Yeah, that's that's that's not going to happen. And I'm not even arguing that it should. I am in the same boat.

It's like on one hand you want to be like, no, this is ridiculous.

But on the other hand, look look what we're we're dealing with this unprecedented pandemic.

And like I said, I didn't even know that that was such a thing using shark liver oil as an additive to to vaccines.

Who know? I mean, there are all kinds of weird additives in vaccines and other injectables and medicines. Right. Like, I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but the you know, the harvesting of of horseshoe crabs in order to produce basically every single day.

And it damn near wiped them out in certain places. We don't see horseshoes on the beach like we did when I was a kid. That's a good point. Yeah.

So, you know, it's there is a long standing precedent for this. And unfortunately, there are two forces that are just going to be stronger or maybe fortunately, I don't know, there are two forces are going to ultimately outweigh anything that has to do with shark conservation. One is public health and two, are market forces. Right. If it's if it's cheaper and more effective to take it from the sharks, that's where it's going to come from.

That's OK.

So hopefully they keep it to the gulper sharks sorry, go forsook.

But, you know, at least it's not MacOS or black tips on the flats, at least not yet.

So if we can give if we can get through this with the gulper sharks, all the other sharks will be OK minus the shark finning and all that stuff, you know.

While Joe is lucky enough to live near the coast and have fresh saltwater fish readily available, I live in Montana, so the pickings for fresh seafood are kind of slim.

You are right that I have many salty fishing chops very close to home here on the East Coast, but none of them include Pacific Dungeness crab, Alaskan sablefish or wild Alaskan salmon, which, by the way, is the only salmon that actually excites me because fun fact, I'm not really a salmon guy.

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For the next story I've got, I'm I'm working through a little self-loathing over over the second story I chose in general. Bring it on. Good. And and it is a far cry from from net pens or shark killing or coronavirus.

My next story, it's a far cry from being worthy of being in news. But and this was so like to call what I'm about to report on news really is stretching the bounds of anything remotely journalistic. But screw it. Here goes. So you know that old axiom, if you give a room full of monkeys, typewriters and an infinite quantity of time, they would eventually produce the works of Shakespeare. You heard that?

Yeah. Yeah, I have. Yeah.

So this story is kind of like that, except instead of monkeys with typewriters, they're they're fish in a tank. And instead of the words of Shakespeare, it's a terrible video game.

A gamer in Japan who goes by the handle mutsuki modu top his pet fish.

That's so smooth, like just perfect.

Dude, I took Japanese lessons as a kid. Come on. Did you really as part of the curriculum and grew up in Hawaii. Lots of Japanese, lots of other other languages. We had to speak anyway. So so this would take him out of guy taught his pet beta fish how to play the video game. Pokemon Saffire kind of. Now, Lord, yeah, now this game was like this, he did this is a stunt to attract people to his channel, which worked, but it produced some unintended results that are actually kind of interesting, at least to me anyway.

So we take him through, gritted out his fish tank and through a mechanism that I truly don't understand, he's somehow connected it to his Gameboy Advance. When his two fighting fish named Morris and Lala entered a certain part of the tank, they tripped a button on his Gameboy, thereby allowing the fish to play the game. And the first interesting result of this experiment was proving that Pokémon Sapphire does not require any intellect at all. In fact, apparently one doesn't even need basic sentience because the fish were able to advance pretty far in the game.

The second interesting result, however, is that these fish found a bug or a glitch in the coding that no one else has been able to find in the 18 years that this game has existed. Come on. So this jumped out at me because my dad was a video game designer and I was like, Yeah, really?

Dude, your dad's a video game designer. You speak Java. I'm learning so much shit about so many things, but I don't speak Japanese. So I took some lessons when I was in elementary school, maybe count to ten. But yeah, when I was a kid, my friends and I were conscripted as beta testers. And basically what that means, we sat around for hours playing early versions of videogames, looking for bugs or situations where the games didn't work like they were supposed to.

This may sound like fun, but I was never very interested in video games and I was never very good at them at all. So, you know, like some kids disappoint their fathers because they're too into video games and too good for them. And I was the exact opposite and it was so fun to do it.

I got to cut it for one side because like every video game system I had growing up, my dad bought, like for himself.

I played them a little bit, but I was never enthralled. I play my original Nintendo more now than I did when I got it. But like my dad beat Resident Evil in three days, you know what I mean?

Anyway, as you know, I mean, like, literally when I was a kid, there'd be situations where my dad would be like, hey, son, you want to go play some video games? Like, Nah, not really. Go outside. He's like, yeah, not really.

Anyway, my point back to that, what I was talking about there are my point is that thousands and thousands of hours go into beta testing video games before they even go to market.

This game was released way back in 2002. So in addition to that, God knows how many hours of actual gameplay time it had. And yet no one found this game crashing bug until Moreese and Lolla. The fighting fish got a crack at it, I guess, I guess that's why they call them the beta fish, right? Because they're so good at the beta testing.

But bump dang.

Well, so the first question I have, what is the covid status in Japan? Has this poor man been in quarantine in his apartment in Japan since December?

Because, I mean, I didn't look into that aspect of this.

I just saw something pop up online the other day that was like 13 year old figures out nuclear fission or cold fusion in his garage.

It's like if you have this much time to train Bater Fish to play Pokémon, cure cancer man, there's recruited. There's no trainline, just like created a little grid system in their tank. And when they swam in that area, it would push buttons and that would make the game play. It was it was a total gimmick. And he this is again, that's why I used the monkeys with typewriters making Shakespeare think give the fish enough time pushing random buttons and things happen.

It's it is funny, though, because this man taught to fighting fish how to play a video game and I'm in the basement now with a five year old, like, trying to explain why she's not killing the ducks.

And I'm like, you have to look, you have to put the lead of being on the tip of the gun on the duck.

Don't just fire wild. Like, I can't I can't get my kid to consistently shoot ducks and duck hunt. But this man has taught fish how to play a much more advanced game than duck hunting.

Sounds like that. Yes. Yes. Oh, my God.

Well, he has a lot of nothing to do. I will say. Clearly, that's that's he needs some other hobbies. There's some great fishing in Japan.

Can I can I suggest you do that?

Well, record largemouth came out of there, but put your mask on, grab it, grab a leather swim bait and go down there and see what happens to teach yourself to catch those.

This man deserves a medal. I don't have one for him. But how about a pin?

OK, here comes my prediction comes my ridiculous story. This is a goofy one. And I actually I debated it, but I just had to because I just laughed very hard.

And before I get into this story, a couple things.

So back in the day and buy back in the day, I mean, like the 50s and 60s and such. Some of you might be aware that many states used to issue a button as a fishing license. You know what I'm talking about, right?

They're collector's items now. Like if you get antique stores and flea markets, see all these old pins, you know, Ohio, 1958, and, you know, they're super collectible, but instead of a paper license, you'd get a sweet button to put on your fishing vest. Well, the state of Pennsylvania still offers buttons, of course, these days.

It's just a novelty.

You know, most people just go with the paper license, but if you want to pony up an extra 10 bucks, you can still get a collectible fishing license button. So there's that. Now, the next thing I love chain Pickwell, I am all about the littlest member of the Issac's family.

And I have sung their praises for years and videos and written works and so forth. And I target them often. But for the most part, I think it's fair to say people find pickrell to just be a nuisance. Right?

Especially Baskis because Chain Pickerel clip that wacky Rigzin go off real quick. Right. They're a pain in the ass, but to me they are underappreciated underdogs. So imagine the twinge of the light I got when reading this headline on the website of Chester County, P.A.. My CESCO Dotcom voters select chain Pickrell design for Pennsylvania's twenty twenty one collectible license button. No way. And I thought finally, finally, the lowly chain Pickrell is getting some respect.

And I thought, jeez, a vote. There was a vote, which means enough people respect the chain pickrell and pay that its legions of fans trumped all the other options. How terrific. And here's what the story said during an online poll held from September 17th through the 30th. A total of fourteen hundred and fifty three voters cast their ballots to choose between four different options. The Fishkin design, featuring the scales of a chain Pickrell, was the runaway winner, earning six hundred and seventy six votes, nearly 50 percent.

The good first half.

That's isn't that terrific that if we had won out here, the equivalent would be if someone put the white fish on it instead of a trout. And I would be very happy if that were to happen.

But wait, just because I was so proud right at that point in the story, I was so proud.

And then I read on and it says, A single color conservation green option was the second most popular choice, earning two hundred eighty three votes.

A classic red and white bobber design placed third with two hundred and seventy nine votes. A design featuring a life jacket rounded out the field, collecting two hundred and fifteen votes.

So to rehash that, the measly amount of people that voted had pickrell skin, green bobber and life jacket to pick from, which means nearly 50 percent of the barely fifteen hundred voters went Well, shit, I'm on.

At least that one's a fish. I'll go with the fish.

You could have put it the dull grey sides of a boffin as an option. I would have beat out life jacket.

I mean, nobody wants to wear a life jacket, let alone sport a piece of flair with a life jacket.

Look on that jacket button that I've got on my life jacket, and I just I thought that was comical.

On the flip side, though, you know, at some point there's a discussion at a Fish and Wildlife about PIN options for that year. And the boss is always like brook or brown trout, you know, but there's one dude like me, the intern that's like, how about a Pickrell?

And finally this year, they were like Temmy in the mail room, has been saying Pickrell for eight years now. Can we just give it to. I'm fine. Exactly. But anyway, I'm so sorry to get you all excited chain pickrell, but it turns out Pennsylvanians still don't really like you. The only reason you won is because you're an actual fish. I might have to buy the button just because this. Buy me one, two, and you know what, if you're smart, you will also buy one for Phil, the engineer, because he is the decider as to who will be the grand champion winner this week.

And as soon as Phil has has issued his his validation and his vanquishing, we will then move on to see what kind of tasty items we have found this week in the sale barn.

And I think we're going to take a dip in the sheer stupidity that we are. Joe Smellie is the winner this week. Look, I surprised even myself. Normally, I would gladly take a Pokemon story over a covid story, but those shark vaccines are just too interesting to ignore. But don't worry, Miles, you're still the very best like no one ever was.

Why did you put the head of hair? You don't know what I'm getting at. You didn't have to be so hurtful with me, so angry.

OK, so to preface this item, which I found on offer up, it's a little complex.

OK, but that said, it might be the most fabulously stupid attempt at shady private online goods dealing I have ever seen. Right.

So the seller is located in Barry, Texas, which is the middle of nowhere. And remember that because it's going to make this funnier when we get into the meat of what we're dealing with here. Right.

And I feel like I feel like I've got a preference for a dive into my show by saying that when you first brought this to me, I was totally confused and I didn't get it. So but now that I do get it, it's pretty ridiculous and it's pretty damn funny. And I cannot believe that this guy is trying to pull this off.

Well, that's what makes this complex, because to just look at it at face value, like if you're not if you don't have the inside track on this, you'd probably skip right over it. But but once we divulge the crazy right, you guys will understand.

So the title of the post is Loose Fly Real. That's it.

OK, and lose lose LSW apostrophe s not l. O. S so lose.

As many of you know, they are long time makers of conventional bass rods and reels, but they do not make flywheels. No. So I will do my best to explain this idiocy.

OK, picture a flywheel loaded with line but the real has no middle. There's nothing, no middle, nothing in the middle.

So it essentially looks like a giant ball bearing with a real foot.

OK, there's nothing in the center. There's no drag knob, none of the usual support structure that tie a normal fly together.

And this struck me as odd, even more so when I read this very short and sweet description. Brand new, never used, not cheap, will trade for a lose bait.

Kastor So in a very cryptic way, the title of the post is actually saying We'll trade Lou's bait Kastor for this fly real.

OK, so I'm looking at all the pictures, trying to figure out what's going on here because something is not right.

And then it hit me right. I do not use chewing tobacco, but a good friend of mine does. And a few years ago he presented me with a special edition, Ten of Grizzly Long Cut. Now, why did he do this? Because he knows I love fly fishing and there is a very pretty trout on the actual tin.

And that tin is nestled right in the center of a fake one hundred percent non-functional decorative fly real.

OK, so I raced to my closet to dig this, this ten out to confirm my suspicion.

And I was right on the money. You pop the the tin of actual dip out of the flywheel and are left with what this momoh is trying to trade for a loose bait caster on some level.

You got to respect that hustle. I mean, it's it's terrible. No, there's there's hustle and then there's like scam artist. And this is pure and simple. This is my best guess.

Right. We'll never know. So a back up I reached out to the gentleman with a simple question. What brand of flywheel is that? And oddly got no answer right back to me.

Right. So like I told you, it's a lose. It seems appropriate because if you buy this, you're going to lose Bangar.

Love that. This is my guess, right? He needed a fresh tin, a dip. And the one gas station in Barre, Texas, was out of his regular grizzly long cut, which forced him to buy his favorite chart in this commemorative fly-Fishing ten. So he choose the dip while bass fishing realizes the tolerance in his Johnny Morris signature series, Bait Caster aren't as tight as they used to be. Looks down at the now empty, useless fake fly fishing cradle and has his aha moment.

But do you think about this or. Hold on, I maybe I'm just being the least cynical. Maybe I just giving this guy the benefit of doubt and I'm wrong, but maybe he knows so little about fly fishing or fly fishing is like huh.

So this is what a fly fishing reel does huh.

It doesn't turn into there's no function. It doesn't turn, it's got fake lying on it. What do you do with that. Yeah, I know, I know. But trying to give the benefit, the doubt I should know.

Here's the part that I want to know. Right. What if somebody had actually bit on this, like what if somebody was like, hey man, I got to lose laying around and that's a real sweet looking fly real. What would this dude have done?

Grab the bait caster and ran like hell? How would the transaction have gone down? That's a good question. How are you going to how are you going to do that? I don't know, because as soon as you you've actually held one in your hands, you own one eye. You know better than I do. I've just looked at the photos. It's real hard to tell. But you're saying as soon as I picked this up, I would go, you know, it's it's nothing.

It's hollow aluminum. It's not it's it's it may as well be a paperweight. I mean, it's has zero function. It's not a real it's a it's a friggin dipped tin. And it's not even the tin.

It's like the housing of the tin. Right.

So to that end, because we know this one is a little bit more complicated and some of you might want a better understanding. We put together a little product demo and we're posting that on me and Miles Instagram pages. So that's at Jadot, Somali one three eight and Attwater Miles. And we may or may shred this dipshit a little harder and said product video. So check that out.

OK, this may not be the only time that we post photos to our our Instagram accounts to try and back these up, because sometimes you need a little more help.

Yeah. So it's so visual. Be ready for that. Yes.

And as always, if you find something fishing related for sale online that you think we need to see to believe, do you keep shooting those links to us at Bent at the Meat Eater dot com? We've been getting a bunch of great items from you guys. Keep them coming. Thank you.

We are almost out of time, but before we go. Joe has an end of the line segment that was like honestly, legitimately eye opening for me. Oh, I'm humbled. No, seriously, man, like I have long been familiar with with that lure, the one you're about to tell them about. But I had I had no idea about its right coast. Not so cult following. And I don't like to say anything else because I want to let you tell it.

But, you know, for those of you out there who are keyed into the East Coast stripper scene, this will probably come as no surprise. But for those who rarely fish east of the Mississippi, you guys might, you know, actually learn something from this podcast.

For once, it's not loud enough, but. The Muskie mania, doc, might just be the worst kept secret in striper fishing, but the funny thing is to the uninitiated, nothing about it would suggest it has any sort of magical abilities. To the untrained eye, it's just an oversized spook, a massive version of the dog walkers that have been calling up green and brown bats the world over since Hank Parker was a boy. In fact, the nine inch dock looks downright goofy and viewed from the underside.

The slightly flared gills make it a dead ringer for a massive male member standing at full attention, which has prompted countless nicknames for the plug I need not get into and endless jokes when you pull one out of your tackle bag.

The joke, however, is on the nonbeliever's.

Unlike its little cousins that have internal Beeb's or perhaps a few little knocka balls, the doc has a set of metal balls that would make AC DC blush. It produces a clerk like no other top order, which is a key element to the doc's ability to call stripers, particularly big girls. That chow whole adult bunker out of what you swear is a completely dead ocean. Legendary musky angler Pete Meina is the mastermind behind the dock. And while there has always been some crossover appeal between striper guys and musky dudes when it comes to lures without question, no musky lure has infiltrated the stripper scene this deeply since SIRF Caster's in the 1940s and 50s latched on to the creek chub Piki Mineau.

Now details about who figured out the secret first are hazy and debated. But the doc first hit the stripper scene in the early 2000s. What those early pioneers also figured out is that the money is the unpainted natural bone colored blank, even though the duck is available in 10 colors.

I've never seen a northeast salty guy hawking anything but the bone.

And what NE anglers also learned in short order is that the split rings and brons hooks that come stock on a dock were pretty worthless in the brine, which has sparked years of debate, videos and articles on the best terminal tackle hooks and configuration for retrofitting these laws.

Now, while you'd be hard pressed to find a stripper guy around here that won't tell you the dock is deadly, they'll also all tell you the law is a complete pain in the ass to fish. The most notable problem is that the hooks are spaced so far apart, you tend to only get one of those trebles in Abbas's mouth, which gives them leverage during the fight to twist, which can open the split rings, just pull the hook or bend the hook out.

Put it this way. Many big bass dreams have been shattered because of this flaw.

The dock is also so big, awkward and OWFI that you need a fairly beefy rod to deliver it and to get it workin properly. You're going to give your arms and shoulders a serious workout. Fishing it all day, I can tell you from personal experience sucks. The first time I ever saw this law in action was in a video produced in Massachusetts where a dock with no hooks was being used to tease in big bass so Fly anglers could hit them with a bait and switch.

The first time I ever actually used one was in Montauk, New York, and we'd caught zero stripers all day despite prime conditions.

And then finally, my friend Craig can't. Telmo whipped out his dock and we motored tight to the beach and he said, if they don't eat this, this will at least let us know if they're any fish here. And we had ten blowups and three connections within 30 minutes. This was only about five years ago. But even then, Craig asked me to keep the dock on the down low to keep it a secret, because so Perton was the ability of this law to call in Bass and Triggerfish that seemingly we're not hungry for many years.

Just the mention of a dock resulted in lambasting and cries of Dock Byrne on social media. Now, I've carried it with me ever since that trip, and I can't begin to count how many stripers it has made materialize out of the ether.

When all other methods failed, the heart pounding follows. Man, the toilet flush boils are all worth the need for icy hot because the beauty of that giant stiffy is that it's usually not a little rat striper that comes up to take that swing.

Nowadays, you don't have to call the company to order unpainted blanks or strip all that fire tiger off your dock with a belt sander.

Several outfitters Selborne docks pre fitted with tuna grade split rings and heavy gauge steel trebles. And as it often goes in this game there, even a few knockoff docs out there.

Now, the two originals I own have been sleighing for years, and until I lose them, I'd prefer to just keep letting scrapes and scuffs from striper mouths accumulate because I like a lure with that broken in character.

Well, that's all we got for you this week, but just to recap, Henry Hill was actually put into the witness protection program in Polaski, New York.

Joe exploits his cousins for Leuer, making materials and destines make terrible flywheels or at least partially true statements.

And hey, by the way, if you want a better understanding of how we managed to get Ray Liotta on this program, do yourself a favor and follow that paranoia.

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