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So four hundred and sixty bucks for a lawyer, as Brian put it in a follow up text, that you got to rub like a baseball glove.

You got to put that over to fish and you got to just keep calm on.

I'm colleagues, including one big ass red snapper on what, from what I could tell, looks to be a dropper loop rig baited with green glow in the dark, bushy figurines. Anybody can put stupid music to fly taking videos and anybody can do that. Good morning, degenerate anglers, welcome to the fishing podcast located closest to the food court entrance right between Aeropostale and the piercing pagoda.

I'm just smelly Miles Nulty and I think we're about to drop our second Kevin Smith movie reference in less than 10 episodes, which which really tells you all you need to know about the show, you dumb bastard.

It's not a schooner. It's a sailboat. A square is a sailboat, stupid.

And I can almost smell the sick one wafting from the Macy's. You know, we we all grow up, though, right?

And, you know, nowadays it's not the smell of whippets that gets me feeling alive.

It's the wife of Black Reifel coffee brewing in a kitchen with a fridge on its last legs. That's now, you know, my problem, not my parents problem anymore.

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You know, we kick this off with a Mallrats reference. Kudos to us. And it got me thinking about all the time that I wasted wandering around malls and trying to hit on girls and getting kicked out for skateboarding. And it dawns on me that I've never seen a mall with a tackle shop in it.

You're right.

I just I'll I'll just add you got kicked out for skateboarding. I got kicked out once for stealing giant Easter eggs from the Easter Bunny quadrant after Easter. So I was like, nobody care. But that's pretty good.

Oddly enough, I also got kicked out of several more than one mall for not wearing shoes.

It's true story anyway. Oh, my God, that's good.

You're right, though. You know, the mall was supposed to be the place to find everything you wanted in one convenient location. Right. But thinking back on it, man, none of the 13 malls within a half hour of me growing up had one.

But I will tell you what, though, oddly, I once ended up at a mall in Brazil, in the city of Manaus, right in the heart of the Amazon. And it had one of the most badass tackle shops.

Yeah, dude, in the mall, you know, I've been there like I know I know the mall that that was I went to Manaus one time because I was also lucky enough to get a trip there. And I went to that mall. It was like, it's got to be the same.

It's the one with all the guys with machine guns out in front of every entrance, right? Yeah. Yeah. And there's that crystal. There was a tackle shop in there.

And I of course, I went to it and they had like some of the weirdest lures, like I've never seen those lures anywhere else before or since I dropped a few hundred bucks like it was nothing.

And I actually I still have a bunch of them today. I still fish them today.

But some are so cool that a few a few that are kind of like not I don't know, they're just like basically it's a spook, but because it has a different shape and I bought it in Brazil, it's cooler than all the other spooks I have.

You know, it's probably not more productive, but I do throw in with caution because I just can't replace them.

They're not neither one of us are going back to the mall in Manassas any time soon. But I got to ask you, I had no idea you'd been there. Yes. Did you happen to stop by the store in that mall that sold nothing but Michael Jackson memorabilia?

I was a long time. I'm sure I passed by it. I did not go in there. I remember seeing, like, the black light posters with Michael and like, Glitter or whatever.

Yeah. And I think I think his monkey had a few posters.

I remember seeing it, but I did not go in. Yeah, I did. I ran and I went in twice.

I went in twice.

And I ended up I went with the moonwalker pillow shams and the bubbles, the chimp bath salts.

So it will bubbles bubbles down to them I can remember. Oh well yeah I'm sure that was money well spent. It was. Mm. So you know, getting to the actual things we're supposed to talk about here, we don't actually have a tackle shop report for you guys this week, but we do have a fly shop report that comes to us from Joe's home state.

That's right.

And you know, it's early October. Dry flashin is winding down quickly around here is those temps start to drop. But for anyone in North Jersey, Eastern or the Catskills of New York, there are a few hatch options still kicking around. And we thought, who better to fill you in than Sammy Gennaro from DeNardo and Sons Fly Shop, a New Jersey staple right next door. Use Cecchetti in Sun's plumbing and mortality in Sun's florist up there in Franklin Lakes.

Hey, everybody, how you doing? This is Sam Chinato from Chinato one sandfly shop in Franklin Lakes, New Jersey. I'm here with the fishermen. Report losses apparently added up to the Catskills this weekend to fish that day. That's a good move. Streams in New Jersey ain't doing shit. Ken Lockwood couldn't fill it in. It's dead. So you've been asking me about the hatch is up there. This is what I know right now. You're going to see some blooming olives.

Now, my buddy Richie was over in the Dream Catchers, which is from Newark. He was fishing the dream catches and he said he saw Big 20 in size. Twenty four B.W. BWL sipping it just under the surface. Now, the important thing he is to remember that if you're going to be fishing to fish just under the surface, you're not going to see to eat. You may see a little dimple on the water, but could be a fly.

Might not. So you got to use the Jedi mind tricks to figure out if that fish just eat. You fly slowly, lift the rod and see what happened. The only option is that it'll eat at the fish. Now, if you think that the percentage that the fish eat your fly is going to be a little bit higher than if you don't Eyssen Nikias, you're going to see a few windows in the riff's now you just going to blink as the big Eisel now.

Good fly for that is Ty by my buddy Jerry Tom broski from Weehawken. It's called Jerry's Rattler. Now it's got a big Rappa hackle. Barole I mean this thing floats like a cork and you're going to put that over the fish and you're going to just keep pummeling until you eat it. Other than that, you got flying ants not only here one day and gone the next. My only prediction for you is if you get it, DABOLL rain, a little bit of humidity in the air and just a touch of wind.

You might see them on the water, you see them on the water. They're going to be eighteen to twenty fours with Fishkin and more on the twenty fourth in the eighteenth time. Small just to wrap a thread, a little puff of white CDC. Like to honor you golden nymph. You got to get it deep, real deep. You want like ten split shot on that thing. Make sure you strike indicator rigged and rocked and ready and that's when you see that thing drops given the liberal give on the left.

All right. That's what I got for you. Help you get into some twenties if you run into any trouble whatsoever. I want you to stop by. See, my guy Troy was main auto in Hancock. Bang up job. Have a good weekend. Giving them the lead again, hopefully I can totally relate to that man I am I'm the weirdo here out West who doesn't hate anything.

I actually it's kind of fun. I'm good with it. I kind of do.

But I mean, if you grew up on the East Coast and you were a trout fisherman, you had to learn how to nymph. Right. Like hatches and rising fish were a luxury.

Like it's not Montana, you know, like where always estimate just magically calls them up 365.

Not true. None of that is true. Yes, I think it is.

And if you weren't catching trout here, you didn't change the fly. Right. You just added more lead.

That's how we did dredging and continue and continue to do so. Yeah. Yeah. No, and and I will you have bought into the hype that all the Montana Outfitters and guys want you to believe that it's dry fly-fishing 365. It's not true. Don't believe them. But since we're on the subject of dredging something I also am quite good at, let's dig up some dirt and transition from that completely bogus fleg up to a very real one in Minnesota.

You know, check in with its very real proprietor and former guide who's got yet another story that will make you question how humanity has survived as long as we have.

This is smooth moves that. Why did you do that? Well, joining us today on Smooth Moves, I am very happy to have my dear friend, Mr. Robert Hawkins.

Robert, how are you? Good.

Good. How are you guys? I'm pretty well and we're good.

And you own what might be my favorite flower shop on the planet, Bob Mitchell's flower shop in St. Paul, Minnesota. And in case anybody hears any weird background noise, you're doing this during open store hours. So there are people shopping for leaders and Tippett's and things in the background occasionally, maybe some images.

That's what that's what a high quality, classy program we are. We actually take people away from their real jobs so that they can help us out with ours.

Yeah, they are just jam in their pockets full of images while you're in the back office recording with us right now. So just write us a bill.

We'll take care of it. But before the the fly shop ownership thing happened for you, you spent a lot of time guiding in Montana and in Alaska. Did that for a lot of years.

So what is our smooth move from you today? Where did this happen? What's going down?

Hit us with it. So we were getting out of the plane in the morning, we got up, hopped in the plane, flew to the river and one of our our clients that our lodger always very, extremely well off and always had the best gear. And this is in Alaska, I take it? Yup. In Alaska. We just landed at the top of Gibraltar Lake and we're going to blow up the rafts and float down for the day and end up in Lake Iliamna.

So we park on the beach and the plane kind of sits there and hangs out and waits for everybody to get their rafts blown up. And the clients are kind of assembling their rods. And this one particular client had gotten all four flyer outs. You know, he and his wife, they each had to they brought back up. Right. So they had to each just in case they broke one during the day and the plane is back into the beach.

You know, it's not running or anything. And the client has all four rods in his hand. And he does this like I'm pretending to cast movement like he does like this back sort of movement.

And all four rods clipped the trailing edge of the airplane wing and all four of us just went. And so he broke all four of his rods in one fell swoop.

That's amazing. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like, I've seen two rods broken in the course of a day before, maybe three, but four in one false cast and one just silly false guess.

And he was one of those like kind of angry clients. You know, he's just always edgy. And I actually ended up having them in my raft that day. And he was it was also him and his wife. And they're like the bickering back and forth couple. And so all all it was like one of my worst days on the river with us, too. And he he also that day, he's the guy that will say, hey, Mr.

Guy, can you pour me a glass of wine, please?

You don't have a name? No, no. I'm just Mr. Guy, it was just so brutal that that's how it started.

So what did he have to do? Use, like, the stuff that you guys had his backup? Or would we always we always bring in a couple of rods to just in case. And but, you know, that ruined his day instantly. No matter what. We we could have caught two hundred fish that his day was ruined instantly at the at the beginning. And I think we did have a great day that day, but it was just all day.

Well, you did this.

Is it fun to be right in the middle of a marital squabble like all day on the river? Just it just makes you feel good about humanity.

At worst. It's tough guiding married couples sometimes. That right there, my friend, is why you always fill out the warranty card. No, I.

I love to read some of the emails flouride companies get trying to cover smooth moves like that.

You know, I want to cast the see a merger in an open field and your ride broke in five places. It must be incredible to read something. They don't read those emails like. That's why they have the unconditional warranty. So they don't have to read the emails. Right. Because they know. They know, just like we do, that 90 percent of roads get broken in car doors or when your dog steps on like that's how it happens.

You know, that, I think, is why the unconditional warranty thing started was just to cut down on paperwork, truly.

But let's switch over from the river to the ocean for this week's installment of Fin Clips, where we teach you everything you need to know about a fish you probably never thought you wanted to know about in the first place. This week, Joe is going to clue us all in to a species that makes European taste buds frolic with delight and American anglers pout in whiny self-pity.

Scarless Acanthus was once the most abundant shark species on planet Earth. And for those of you not fluent in Latin Genisis, that's the spiny dogfish. Now, if you wet a line for any kind of bottom fish from a Greenland to Miami, strong chance that you've encountered a spiny. And there's also a strong chance you're rolling your eyes right now wondering why I'm devoting any time to spare dogs when I could be using this time to give you tips for catching more flug, flounder, snowy grouper, sea bass, Porgy's, or a shitload of other things you're usually trying to catch while you're catching spiny dogfish.

Well, as Rage Against the Machine once said, know your enemy, because while you Boston boys and Hatteras heavers might hate Spinney's, they are gold elsewhere in the world.

Aside from pretty much the entire eastern seaboard, spiny PLI inshore and offshore waters all across northern Europe, the southern tip of Africa and South America and even southern Australia. Though knowing my luck, even if I was on a dream trip to Fiji, I'd still managed to catch one right stateside, the average doggie measures anywhere from 12 to 30 inches.

Those specimens pushing 60 inches have been recorded in England, where spiny dog fish are arguably the most popular as a food fish.

They're labeled as huhs in fish and chip shops. Historically, the Brits sold them as rock salmon until big band or parliament or whoever eventually came along and said, no, stop that. It's just too misleading. The French, on the other hand, could care less and still sell them as small salmon. The Italians, Italians call them Con Bianco, which according to my translator, Google just means white can. And the Germans seem to think it sells better as Zeppelin or SEAL instead of the more appropriate sea shark.

But here in the States, eating spiny dogfish just can't seem to catch on among the masses. Tons of spices are hauled up by trawlers throughout the Atlantic every year in search of more popular species. And those doggies are generally discarded as bycatch, even though organizations like the Cape Cod Commercial Fishermen's Alliance has sponsored initiatives to get sustainably caught doggies in Cape Cod restaurants and fish markets. Now, according to my inside source at Wikipedia, the UK based International Union for Conservation of Nature as well as Greenpeace, have added the spiny dogfish to their seafood read lists and claim global stocks have decreased significantly even as much as 95 percent around Europe.

Because Europe, McDonald's can't sell those mackerel, salmon and Mixi or sandwiches fast enough. Funny thing is, those in the know, me being one of them, will confirm that if I gave you a piece of dog fish disguised in a crispy panko breading, you'd guess it was any number of more popular firm white meat, salty bottom fish. But to be fair, the times I've had it, someone else caught it and cooked it for me. And every single time I enjoyed it with a little tartar sauce, I said to myself, these are really good.

I should start keeping some of these. That attitude changes quickly, though, when you're burning boat fuel with a brain locked on stripers, freezing your nuts off in the winter for cod or dreaming of doormat, fluke and every diamond Jiegu clam strip and gulp, Tizer gets wolfed by a spiny the second you drop it down.

And it almost makes it pretty hard to believe that the spiny dog fish are in any kind of trouble.

And when you move 10 times and can't get away from them, you just hate them so much that you can't lower yourself to feeling that sexy yeti coffin box with the scourge of the sea, let alone post a picture of you holding one with a smile on Instagram.

Especially when you consider that spiny dog fish get their name from two incredibly hard, thick needlepoint spines on their backs, both just forward of their two dorsal fins. And they're there for a reason. And that reason is to ruin your day. A dog fish will writhe and twist and swing its tail around and arch its back to make every effort to stick you good while you're trying to unhook one.

Those spines are sharp enough to go through clothing. Gloves. I've even seen them go through PVC, rain gear, bonus, those spines inject you with a mild venom that, while nontoxic, just seems to make a wound akin to getting stabbed with a splintering wooden kabob skewer hurt a lot and more. When you are forced to unhook a doggie every 30 seconds all day, suddenly you no longer want to eat one. You just it off the goddamn boat.

I don't know about everyone else, but I just got hungry for spiny dogfish tater tots and ranch dressing, which here in Montana we call Montana mayonnaise or sometimes honkey sauce, because, you know, the honkies, they love it, but fight that craving.

Don't pause now to swing into the drive thru at your own McDonald's because we are about to pump your guts full of fish news.

That escalated quickly, so this is fish news where we tell you all the fun, interesting fish and fishing related things you need to know happening recently out there in the world. A reminder, this is a competition, Miles, and I do not know what stories the other guy is bringing to the table.

And as always, our mighty audio engineer, Phil at the end will declare a victor and I'm coming off a win. And I'm happy about that because I was losing confidence in myself there for a little while.

Don't get too comfortable in that chair. So I've said you better call Phibes on that if you're getting.

Not only did I win, he managed to work in a Celine Dion and Sarah McGlocklin reference in his announcement of that win.

So he's fantastic. He's the real talent here, truly. That is true.

But it always benefits to be the lead off man. That is me this week and I'm excited. OK, I'm very excited.

I love both of my stories, largely because both of them are kind of going to go off the rails a bit.

I'm going to come from left field and it feels good and we're allowed to do this because we make the rules OK. We decide not only what is news, but which news stories are the most important asset that you need to hear. And this first one, I'm just going to get right to it. Just just warm my heart. I love it.

So from the Cape Cod Times headline obsessed Jaws fan replicates Chief Brody's ride.

I didn't even have to read anything more about the story to know that this man is my hero.

OK, so from the story, Gabe Severiano calls himself a Jaws nut. He's into anyone or anything that has any connection to the 1975 killer shark blockbuster movie Jaws.

The obsession has infiltrated all facets of his life, just like it has mine.

We we are connected here.

You guys are simpatico. It says disvalue is vacations have been Jaws themed. His business and conservation efforts revolve around sharks. And his daughter's middle name is Ellen, after the Jaws character, police chief Martin Brody's wife.

And then he's quoted here saying, I'm pretty sure I can scientifically prove that it's the greatest movie ever made.

Gabe, I will help fund that research.

I will chip in so we can finally settle what US Jaws freaks really know is already the truth. So a little background. Gabe is the owner of the spicy shark hot sauce company.

OK, and the story goes on and says part of his Jaws fandom includes a fifteen year search for a 1975 Chevy Blazer like the one Chief Brody drove in the movie. And while business lagged during covid-19, the Portsmouth resident scoured the Internet, saw one for auction, maybe in his price range.

So he asked his wife, Jill, what she thought. And here's the quote from Gabe. She said, You work eight days a week. You've never bought yourself a toy. And you've been talking about this since our third date.

She to come true. She's a keeper.

Gave my man good on you. So Gabe finally found his new blazer, North Carolina. And after he got at home, he enlisted the help of some friends to cut off the hard top, paint the rollbar black, repaint the truck to perfectly match Brodies.

And let me tell you, it's spot on. And I love this, right. He ordered Vanity Amitay license plates and had custom Amitay Police Department stickers from the Hamptons sticker. Kobana adhered to the side and this is what Gabe says. There are two or three other replica Jaws Blazers out there, but they don't have the right lettering, he said. You got to have the exact font. Damn right you've got to have the exact font.

All right. I was skeptical of this guy until right now. If he is like if he is a font geek, I can hang out with him.

Wait, wait, wait. The Blazers named Martin, of course, after Chief Martin Brody, but Gabe is quoted in the piece is saying you can call him Marty.

Well, good.

He also considers the Jaws replica blazer a part of his family. He says, I have a daughter. This is my son. So listen, I reached out to Gabe and asked for more photos of Marty.

And you can see those on my Instagram page. That's at Jadot, Somali one thirty eight. And the next time on the Cape you will see photos of me driving this blazer, assuming it's not a stick shift.

So, Gabe, bravo.

Bravo. Oh, man. That is the most Somali fish news story that I've ever heard in my life.

And that's fine if if it if it earns me a loss, I don't care because that had to I had I couldn't.

Now, you couldn't leave that one on the table. You had to take that. I couldn't agree more. It's so bad. It's so perfect. I mean, it is absolutely perfect. The truck is amazing.

I think you might have found like a long lost brother that your parents didn't tell you about, like you guys were separated at birth and now you're going to come back together. And that's just a heartwarming, heartwarming tale for anyone. Everyone loves a story of families reunited.

I've done all the things I've done, the stupid Martha's Vineyard tours like where all the things happened in. When Jaws, the revenge, which was terrible, came out, my parents took me to a universals like traveling museum thing when they had all these props and they had the shark from Jaws four and I saw nothing else in the entire exhibit, we associate it with the shark.

The so my dad was like, come on, we got to go get dinner. We only want to look at the Indiana Jones stuff. I was like, no, no shark.

No, I'm here for the sharks. Well, it's always been somewhat ironic to me that the Jaws thing is centered on the east coast of North America because a wall there are white sharks there. That's not really the part of the world that's known for white sharks. It's true.

I'll give you that. You're right. The California coast is known more for white sharks. But if you really want to talk about white sharks, you think about Australia. Mm hmm. I mean, like that. That's where people really, really think about them. And, you know, it just so happens that this first story I'm coming with, it comes from Australia, strangely enough.

And we know for a fact as of last week, we have at least one listener in Australia.

So we're basically talking to him. Hopefully he's listening now.

We have lost him.

He hasn't been eaten by a great white shark. All right. So a quick question, Joe. As a father of young kids, have you ever heard of Bushes? Oh, I've heard of many things, but not that.

Or if I have heard of it, I just, like, blocked it out of my brain. I'm like, I don't know what they're saying. I don't know what that is, but I don't think so.

Well, you've seen them. I hadn't heard of me either. But you've seen them there. They're just kind of squished down little plastic figurines in the shape of popular cartoon characters. All right. And apparently they're like the new Beanie Babies in that they are completely useless crap that people have been duped into collecting. And just like with other kids collectibles, you know, for example, say Pogs, the common ones are totally worthless and the rare ones are crazy, valuable.

Someone supposedly paid 15 grand for one of these lumps of molded plastic on eBay. All right.

So I believe it, though. I mean, it's yeah, it's worth that right now, this very minute. So good on you. There's a lot of babies out there that are worth shit anymore. I may or may not know personally.

You know, I don't want to get too far off here, but in researching this story, I found a headline that actually said, Ah, Uschi is the new Bitcoin.

Anyway, Gucci's are a point of contention in Australia, where the store chain Woolworths just ran a second annual promotion, giving them away to any customer who spends 30 bucks. Last year, this giveaway led to grown as people rioting, fighting and threatening each other over lifeless children's toys. So Tickle Me Elmo.

That's all I remember. Yeah. And while some Australians clearly love the little buggers, others are pissed.

One woman wrote on the Woolworths Facebook page, quote, They're terrible for the environment. They often end up in landfill or as litter. Another customer wrote, quote, Very saddened and disappointed to hear that Woolworths are bringing back the plastic bushes that caused so much destruction to our already struggling environment.

And the issue, of course, is that these little plastic figurines may be beloved and valuable now, but they, like all their cute collectible predecessors, will soon be an afterthought, just fleeting cultural refuse destined for landfills where they will slowly break down and turn into more micro plastic choking rivers, lakes and oceans.

They'll be right there with all the L'Oréal dolls that my kid has. Same thing, same same thing.

But but there's a bright side here. One industrious angler Downunder has actually found a viable use for these detestable wads of petroleum distillate. Mark Pace of Queensland is using Gucci's as snapper lures. Nice Marni's first purpose on that.

Yeah, yeah, it's great. Dude, you've got to check this out. Mark posted photos and video of himself on Facebook reefing in snapper of various types and sizes, including one big ass red snapper on what, from what I could tell, looks to be a dropper loop rig baited with green glow in the dark, bushy figurines.

In the video on his post, we see Mark lifting a fish over the gunwale, turning to the camera and saying he paces post, just says, quote, Anyone have any glow in the dark Gucci's they don't want happy to pay a dollar each.

And I'm guessing Mark didn't really think this through, like as a social media move, because if his goal was to get people to sell him their glow in the dark, she's for cheap then he probably shouldn't have let on that. They're dynamite snapper lures. I mean, good luck getting anyone to give them away. Do you doubt you'd like that was not the way to go about it. You should have been like, Hey buddy, haven't you?

She's just wondering for friend.

So why are you talking? I just did a quick search because I didn't know what these were. But now I look at them. I'm like, oh yes, they do. I stepped on five of them yesterday. Yeah.

This is wonderful that he's turned this into a lower. But for people wondering, like, well, does it have some natural innate, like fishy Bayti looking something to it?

No, no, hard it's it's just a little molded piece of plastic in the shape of figure. That's it.

So with something else, they're like more on the ashes than the other people on the air. Like, is there a real secret here or is it pure gimmick or what?

I don't know. Like what I've what. Again, there's not a whole lot of information there. It doesn't seem like he's trying to blow it up. He just put up this post being like, hey, I'm looking for some. She's found a use for him. Anybody want to give me their glow in the dark? Gucci's I'm working on the snapper, but for their part, Woolworth's is not excited about their trashy toys being put to good use.

Finally, a spokesperson for the company told Yahoo! News, quote, While we don't encourage the use of pushes for fishing bait, they can be used in many other ways from storytelling, taking care of them as special collector's items or popping them on the back of pencils.

And right now, I'm just calling B.S. on all of that ephemeral plastic toys, especially these fake collectible ones, are one of the foulest offshoots of consumer culture. So good on Mark for finding some kind of actual use for this disgusting flotsam. But he probably should have kept it to himself. That's all I might say, something I'm taking away from this.

And I'd have to do some research to find out if the same thing I'm just blown away by this being Woolworths, which makes me wonder, is that the same Woolworths that used to be all over the U.S. and is now gone like where they're still huge in Australia.

Really? Yeah. OK, all right. OK, that's one thing also. I mean that. Yeah.

Like you're going to get mad about this like people did.

If people over here got mad about people using ridiculous toys and shit to catch fish, there'd be somebody ranting and raving every day of the week. And McDonalds, Disney, like there was just something that popped up some Nemo toy on. I saw that.

Yeah, yeah. Dude's catching Peacocke bass with that. But I mean, I don't know. I think it's pretty frugal. You also mentioned Pogs. I was like since we started this podcast, I was like, who's going to be the first one to work in Pogs?

And it was you nailed it. So good on that. And now I'm thinking like I still got all them slammers somewhere that on the other hand, you could probably drill a nice hole through each end, right through a little splattering on there.

Those would also make a great lawyer, because I think Pogs are too old for the new YouTube generation to be making POG laws because they don't know what that is. So I called it and we're going to we're going have to make some POG laws. I do.

My kids have the similar Ushi things laying all over the place. There's not been one yet that I'm like, man, that would make a tremendous law.

So that's why I'm giving more credit. Like, a lot of these things are obvious, right? Like, oh yeah, the swimming emolument are cool.

Yeah, exactly. Nothing about this looks fishy, but apparently he's doing well on it. So that's why I was impressed. I was like, this does not fit. I like this.

Here's what drives me crazy. And you have, you have a son who's younger so you might never have to deal with this.

But see I have a daughter who is five. So for all the dads of daughters out there, like a lot of this stuff and I don't know if she's the same thing, the whole fun for the kids is like the unwrapping, like ls coming a ball and like you don't know which one you're going to get.

It's like a big surprise egg and like that is what you're paying for. And then she doesn't do shit with them.

After she opens them, they just lay around gambling for five year olds. Exactly. So I am just going to I'm going to have to like start. If I do, I could take two dozen of them and she wouldn't even know.

We'll go from from repurposing toys and frugal lures to this story, great Segway here and this one, this one's a little outside of the box.

This is somewhere we haven't gone, at least in terms of source yet.

So I got this as a hot tip off from a friend of mine, Brian Schmidt. Do you happen to know Brian Schmidt? You know, he is schmidly.

I mean, dude, I'm going to be honest with you. Maybe I don't.

OK, so so, Brian, for years he was the guy in charge of fly development for Umpqua, and now he struck out on his own and he started Brian Schmidt Bates. And you should check out his.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I knew. I know this dude. Yeah. He makes amazing beats. Yeah.

Oh, that. The Schmitter bug and all that stuff. That's all right. Amazing, dude. So now now he's just Brian Schmidt Bates and he makes all kinds of cool swim baits and rats and jigs and spinner baits. Awesome stuff. Anyway, just last week he sent me a text and it said, Did you watch today's What's New at tackle warehouse video? Apparently Tackle Warehouse does a news video every week of like new products. And I know you BASKIS especially know Tackle Warehouse, huge online retailer.

So he says, did you see that video and then follows it with, um. Wow, all I can say is it puts the lotion in the basket. So I'm like, all right, we're going to be OK.

Right. So I watched.

And one thing new last week was the manifold dinero swim bait. Now it's jointed.

And this is kind of like a new lure release news piece, but it just it's just going to go haywire here. Thirteen and a half inches long and covered in leather.

Now, that leather has what I call sort of a snakeskin texture, but all around the edge, it's hand stitched. Right, like the Buffalo Bills skin suit. Hence Brian's nod to lotion in the basket.

OK, so so here's some of the description of this new manifold de swim bait developed by the owner of Manifold Leather, who has over 34 years of experience in the fine leather industry in Japan.

The manifold dinero glide both superior craftsmanship and was created for targeting monster sized bass.

It features a handcar of polyethylene body which provides the foundation and allows the bait to swim with a perfectly balanced, wide as shape gliding, blah, blah, blah. Because that's the description of every glide be. Every bit is a wide as shape.

OK, enough. We've heard all this before. This is nothing new. OK, so you haven't hooked us there. On the outside, the manifold narrow glide is covered in hand stitch one hundred percent horsehide leather.

That's horse leather, horse leather that does not get colder than traditional abs plastic which ensures the bait has the same body temperature and texture as a living bait fish.

For a more natural presentation, it says as the leather progresses, the surface foil also becomes weathered and becomes more like a wounded or weak bait fish. And there are two disclaimers there. One is the manifold narrow glide bait moves properly once the leather has absorbed water and be sure to read the instructions included in each box for proper operating and storing procedures.

So this company, manifold, as I understand it, is best known for fine leather goods, but also kind of dabbles in laws because the same video also showcased the heartbeat from them with no leatherwork.

OK, but I don't know. I'm super curious about these instructions and I can't find the specifics.

But the dude in the video noted that you need to let it soak for a bit to let the leather absorb water as if it doesn't absorb the right amount of water.

It can affect the buoyancy and action. And who has time for that? That's what a cast look. It's time to think that much, OK?

And then he says the instructions feature specific storage tips so you don't ruin the leather.

Now, here's the thing. And I sent you a photo of this. In my opinion, I'm looking at it right now. It's hideous. It's not at all part of the swim.

Big deal is like you're like, oh, my God, that looks like a real brown trout, whatever. It's it's not at all aesthetically pleasing. And in fact, I find it very bizarre looking. And clearly you're buying the proposed benefits of the leather because to me, the like I said, the action doesn't sound different. Any other glide be right. So here's the kicker, though. Take a whack at the price. Go ahead. Oh, take a whack at the price.

Got to be at least one hundred dollar lower.

Four hundred and sixty dollars watt for a minute and sixty dollars.

Right. And that's just for the there's another model that has some weird fancy metal face attachment. That's five hundred and twelve dollars.

It's got like, it's got like a Lecter mask.

I actually think it's like to create you can hang LEDs off it and like different type but it looks. Yeah. An electric mask. So four hundred and sixty bucks for a lure as Brian put it in a follow up text that you got to rub like a baseball glove. I mean, listen, I have the utmost respect for the dedicated swim baycol, right? I'm fascinated by the method by which I go. Yeah, I wish I had more dedication to to fish that way.

I love it. I love it. But like swim bait dudes, this is a joke, right? Like, is who who is buying this?

That's the question. This law and here's the thing. Those, as you already pointed out, there are those very, very expensive swim bids. And they look a certain way. They look photorealistic. They have that incredible movement to them, blah, blah, blah.

This thing kind of looks like a high school arts and crafts project that someone's selling on Etsy. It's I mean, you can see all the stitching it. It's not poorly done, but it's it's not super impressive. Yeah, it's not poorly done, but you wouldn't know.

It's like fine leather work by. No, it's I take it manifolds like coach. So if like coach made a lure and this was it, you certainly wouldn't pick up on that level of craftsmanship just by looking and with all laws. Do you. Come on man. We buy the shit with our eyes, you know, I know it.

How many wars are sold because of their shelf appeal? And if you put this next to a twenty five dollars, Spyro Swimmy, guess which one I'm buying, even if I know the price. No question.

So I mean, here's the other thing that I thought of. Here's the other piece that I thought I was really surprised to hear you say it was horse leather, because I happen to know just because I know weird shit like this that people tend Fishkin you can actually take fish, you can turn it and make a water. Yeah, absolutely.

So why wouldn't you use that on this product? Why wouldn't you use actual fish? If you're going to go to this hand stitching hand-to-hand level of craftsmanship, why not use Fishkin? That's that's where I'm a little bit lost. And maybe maybe Fishkin doesn't hold up as well. Maybe doesn't work. There are probably things I don't know, but that was the first thing that I thought of.

And I feel like there's things I don't know because there's it's so new that even even tackle warehouse, like there's not that much info about it.

And I tried to just Google up the law. And I mean, you get linked to all these Japanese leather making sites. I couldn't find like a direct link, but I even partially understand, you know, the desire for these hard to get Japanese swimsuits and things. I see the same thing in the striper world. There's certain hand turn wooden lures that people just go nuts for. It doesn't really matter if they're fishing them or not. But I mean, at some point, this just goes beyond fish ability.

Like you're paying five hundred bucks for a lawyer. A law that requires as much care and attention is a fine leather couch. Like, why would you do that?

It's supposed to be thrown around in a lake, like in weeds and mud and shit, you know, and I've seen some wacky stuff in swim boats. This is next level. And what I would love to hear, maybe we can get away. And later, like from our friend Oliver and I like a bass catching, scumbag chucking amigo to weigh in and be like, yeah, I don't get it either.

Or dude, maybe we're idiots. And it's like, no, here's why this is next level.

Yeah, and I'm not doability thing. Men like the thing that I'm currently interested in with twin babies is throwing them for Muskie. And I'm just imagining what happens when a muskie hits a leather leuer. And I don't think it's pretty, especially one that I spent 400 and some odd dollars on.

But I'm going to I'm going to stick with that and move into our final segment, which is a Muskie story. OK, and you'll also detect I'm a little proud of myself this week because I definitely stuck with a theme that you're going to detect. All right. And I hope it comes through pretty clear. So Greg Léonard sounds like my kind of guy, he's a land conservation officer from Agusta, Wisconsin, who also happens to be a hardcore, musky addict.

He calls the Chippewa flowage his home waters. And I have fish that flowage and it's. Oh, yeah, it's an incredible place. A special place. Despite the fact that Greg spends as much free time as possible musky fishing and has been doing so for decades, he seems to suffer a similar fate or perhaps curse that that you and I do, Joe, when it comes to Big Muskie, because he just he can't seem to crack a really big fish.

He's he's stuck at forty five inches, which for the record, is a very big muskie, but not the fish that Muskie junkies covid. You know, they all want the 50.

For the record, I will say if I call it a forty five on fly, I'd be like, I'm done. Don't have to do that. I'd be fine with that. Be enough for me.

Yeah, but last August Gregg did a good deed for the Muskie gods that I hope will pay dividends for him this fall. I hope, I hope what he did like pays his karma forward and he gets his 50 gregoire's fishing mid-afternoon one day late August when he hooked a midsize muskie. You know, nothing special. Forded to the boat. Put it in the net hook, pop free once fish in the net, and he's just about to release it when he noticed something odd, a mud stained diving ring encircling the fish's midsection.

Now, for those of you who don't know what a diving ring is, there may be I don't know what that is.

Yeah, somebody explain it. They're small hoops, like a few inches in diameter, usually used for swimming lessons and lifeguard training. So diving rings are specially weighted so that when you throw them in the water, they sink, but then they sit upright on the bottom, Gotch, so that divers can swim down and easily grab them. Gotcha. Gotcha. Because they're because they're training tools.

They're also made of like really heavy duty plastic so they can withstand years of use in pools. All right. So Greg catches this musky and it has a diving ring stuck around its midsection. And the thing's been there a while because the fish has has started to grow around the ring and the ring is cutting pretty deep into the fish's body. Yeah, a Greg tries to pull the ring off like you would, but like I mean, it is really literally the fish growing around it.

It's not going anywhere. Right. So. Right. Here's what story is weird to me. Then he used a bolt cutter. And even the bolt cutter couldn't cut through the thing, but I mean, quick side note, man who carries a bolt cutter on their fishing boat. I do not every fisherman in New Jersey, but really maybe I don't know, I'm just like, what?

Why do you actually mix up a lot of room on your boat?

You know, I will say not to get off on that, but I do know people who carry bolt cutters more so in case, like, they need to cut the lock on their spare tire, like if they're trained in tire pops or something and they find the key, you know, stuff like that.

And maybe like maybe there were side cutters in the story. Got it wrong. I'm not sure. But I'm picturing like a full on bolt cutter and maybe it was misreported. I'm not sure. But anyway, if it was a bolt cutter, whatever it was, I'm glad that Greg had one, because even though he couldn't cut completely through that ring, he did cut it enough that he could relieve the pressure on it and he was able to slide it off the fish and then set the fish free.

OK, being a natural resource manager by trade, he showed the ring and the photos to one of his colleagues, a fisheries manager named Max Wolter.

And they came up with a theory about this, their theory. Here's here's how the theory goes. Someone lost the diving ring in the lake. It just sat there upright, sitting on the bottom for God knows how long. Yeah. And that muskies is in the area chasing bait and the bait tries to use that ring to get away from the predator and the monkey swims through it trying to get that right through. It's stuck.

And they estimate that that fish carried that ring around for two years before Greg got it and cut it loose, which is, you know what?

Amazing. It is amazing. But there are similar stories out there.

One that always sticks with me is I remember these these pictures floating around of a striper that had metal arms from an umbrella trolling rig coming out of its stomach and poking through its stomach.

Yeah. So we tend to coddle fish as we should.

I mean, be careful with release and everything. But then every once in a while you see one of these stories and it kind of makes you go, you know what? There are a lot more resilient than they think they are.

They're tough. Yeah. And I mean, it's an anecdote, right? This is it's a cool feel good story. But I got a hand here because Greg had a final note. Right. And and he was explaining why he's now publicly sharing this story. And he says plastic toys have no place in our lakes. And I agree with them. But I'd take it a step further and say that they they have no place in our bodies of water unless, of course, you're using them as a fishing lure and you're bringing them back out.

I want to qualify that. But I like everyone else.

I have tons of useless plastic crap at my house, so I'm not getting all high and mighty on this. But I do try and minimize the amount of plastic that I purchase. And it's really hard, especially when you have kids and they come home from every birthday party with a bag of useless plastic crap, but try to be mindful about what we buy. And moreover, I am definitely that guy who will pull the boat over to pick up trash, especially plastic.

And I hope all of you out there listening will consider doing the same. I'm not saying like that's going to solve the micro plastics problem or like I'm saving the world. Or you will either. But but it's something we can all do. And I think that this theme of if you're going to throw plastics in the water, make sure it's tethered to a line to catch a fish, otherwise just don't do it. That that's where I'm leaving for today with news.

I think that's a great place. That was a great message. That was a great end. OK, I'm with you on all that.

It gives Phil a lot to debate because we've had man, we've had quite a gamut of stories we this week.

So we're going to find out from Phil who clinched this one and then talking about being mindful, being, you know, being mindful of what you buy.

We're going to go right to Selborne right after we hear from Phil for a deal.

That boy you just can't miss. Joe, give yourself more credit, you let off strong with that jazz story, but I'm giving the win to Miles, not Miles.

I appreciated your theme of throwing useless, harmful plastic trash into the water, but I have got to go.

I'm going to go try to bring in some ducks with a Peter Venkman fungo pop.

You know, she's mate. She's indeed.

Why did you put the head to pay? You don't know what I'm getting at. What, you didn't have to be so hurtful with me, so angry.

We have been getting a steady stream of sabeen submissions from you guys, and we appreciate that deeply. And I got to say congratulations to listener Tony Cordero, because you, my friend, scored honors as our first ever sale bin item from the fan base with an absolute gem posted on Facebook marketplace in Cow Chan Valley, British Columbia. All right. So up for grabs this week is a 16 foot when a boto with a twenty five horsepower mercury, two stroke and trailer.

Now the official description reads half trailer, half houseboat, twenty five horsepower mirch to stroke. If you're looking for a project, parentheses needs work and a good time and a good decision and a good time. This is for you.

Fifteen hundred dollars or best offer and I can barely even describe this. It's so outlandish. I do my best here. So someone took like a nineteen sixties or 70s model Winnebago and we're talking about the smaller kind you'd pull behind your truck and hold up.

Hold up. I think I hate to cut you off here, but it's not actually a Winnebago, OK, it's like a noka. I don't know what kind of trailer it is. It's just a cheap 70s pull behind trailer.

But to call us on Airstreams, not it's not it's not an Airstream.

No, but yeah, we're I don't know, calling it what it is. You can't even see what it is. He clearly makes it. The photos don't tell you the make or model, but this thing is not. This is some kind of knockoff brand, I can tell you that much. Right. Fair enough.

Because there was no brand jumping out of me, so I don't know trailers. So I just went with Winnebago, but not OK.

But what what they did here, they added a back deck and then I guess somehow sealed up the bottom and turned it into a homemade houseboat. But here's here's the thing. It's still trailer. All right. So in other words, it's not like they chop the bottom off the the knockoff whinny and then glued that into a boat hole like the tires and wheel wells and attached trailer tunt are all still fully intact, totally there.

All of it's there. So with the exception of the back deck and the and the outboard, you'd never know it was a boat. Right. And I suppose someone could could run with this concept and do this really, really well if they wanted to, if that was their calling in life.

But this does not appear to have been done really, really well.

I mean, I don't know, dude, I would not go out on the water on this vessel.

I wouldn't go more than twenty feet off shore on this vessel. I can tell you that right now.

It's it's I think you have to look, if you're looking at this, if you were looking at it from the front end, you would have no idea that it was anything.

So just a crappy old trailer. That's that's what it looks like. And then you flip it around to the back and there's the strange open deck on the back, which, you know, OK, that's a little weird on a trailer, but maybe like maybe you like to party outside. That's cool.

But then there's a mercury outboard hanging off the street like there's a TransAm that's been reinforced and a mercury outboard I.

I feel like this is so close to brilliants. Right.

I do know a way. There's so much like, man, you know what, I would love to have my trailer that I could just put on the water like I love dragging around. I love doing it, but I want a boat too. Why can't it be both? And my hat is off to the ingenuity there, but I am not sold on the engineering. That's yeah. That's where I'm not sold on this one. Right. Right.

And again, it just looks like a box trailer like there was no attempt at like a v hole or.

No there's no it would just be like a floating box on the water but there are shots of it adrift. Yeah. OK, with like a bunch of hippie kids on the roof. It looks like a spring break party boat. Yeah.

Yeah. Raising hard sitas in the air. Yeah. But as you pointed out, a few observations I had in the photos.

That sucker is very, very close to shore, like they're not in the middle of Puget Sound in that some bitch like it's right near the ramp or whatever.

But now if you if you look at the interior shots of the cabin, though. Yeah. There's some water damage in there.

Right. Have you grown up in a house with a basement that floods.

I know. Moldy buckling wood paneling when I see it.

And there was water in that cabin having slept in old seventies trailers more than once that had leaky roofs and like had had leaky roofs for a long time. That's what this looks like. Everything's peeling off the walls. There's definitely black mold. Hiding just under the surface of everything, and there's nothing that has changed about this interior since it came off of the assembly line in 1972. Yeah, down to the floral print.

Yup, on the booth.

And yes, I see I feel like we're thinking differently about this. Like, I almost feel like this was a joke, like a gimmick. Somebody slapped this together and they dropped it on the water just to prove it floats and take a few funny photos. But you couldn't call it a serious sound craft.

No, but Tony didn't make a good point in his email. He said, how could you possibly get a B UI if you're at home?

It's a no. That is a sound. So although I think that this has probably been settled case law when it comes to houseboats, but I don't know. I haven't dug into that one.

Yeah, and fun follow up fact. OK, I recently read Click the link and don't you know it's sold somebody slap down the 15 Hando and is now the proud owner of the winning photo. I would honestly buy that person a six pack for their inaugural maiden voyage.

If that person is listening, please reach out to us because we'd love to know how progress's come we want to know. Anyway, Tony, thank you for sending the winner boto our way. And to the rest of you, please keep the sale in submissions coming. See some fishing related nonsense for sale online where you live via those links to Bente at the Meat Eater Dotcom.

Sadly, though, it is creeping in on that time of year when we're all forced to Winterreise are when a Bodos.

But if your glass is half full person, it's not all bad. You know, winterizing the one about us, that's a pain in the ass. And this this episode in a way, is kind of like a changing of the season. We started out with dry flies and we know the hatches are dwindling. But if you're a streamer junky, Lord knows there are too many of you out there these days. Listen up, because we've got to tackle Hack from our buddy and streamer guru Brian Wise of FLY-FISHING, the Ozarks that we promise will up your game when you finally put the October cats away and break out the sex dungeons.

And side note, those are actual fly names. So please don't flood me with hate mail. I didn't make that up.

I'm getting calls coming from inside the city.

I picked up my on. Today, we've got to tackle Hack from a extremely good friend of mine, most of you probably know him, Brian Wise of Fly Fishing, the Ozarks, the Streamer Oge, who is as far as I'm concerned, you've you've popularized streamer fishing in this country. Agree or disagree? Totally disagree. Are you can.

No, no.

Kelly Kelly might have tied him first, but you made him cool. OK, now anybody can anybody can put stupid music to fly tying videos and anybody can do that.

So you don't actually like the Skrillex music, don't you?

Not at all, no.

Well, aside from tying them beautifully, you are also a guide in Missouri. I've been doing that for a long time and kind of by default, whether you want to be or not, you are the streamer dude, which means that we need a juicy streamer fishing tip from you for all the meat chuckers out there. And God, they're almost too many these days, aren't there?

But I was going to say I was going to say, you really are the guy, the popular streamer fishing.

I kind of want to kick you in the nuts because, you know, 10 years ago, like, it was just me and a couple of the dudes doing it. And now it's every bro with a flat brim and a drift boat ahead of me being like pro-European, Meeta would say.

So if it was you, Ryan, and I'm not saying it was Joe is, but if it was you, we may not be friends because they got an eight wait in one hand and a Brian Wise video going on the other on it on their cell phone.

But, you know, as we've learned from you and many others, streaming fishing is certainly not mindless. There is craft and a lot of technique to it. So what are you got for us, man? What's something that you've learned is critical in the game?

Right. So, you know, a lot of times when you when people think streamer fishing in your mind immediately goes to big flies and cinching lines. Right. I mean, that's just kind of the way it goes. So several years ago, cinching lines equaled like level leaders and everybody was just you everybody would just say, like, I need a three foot section of sixteen pound tests. And this is where I disagree. This is where this is where I disagree.

You do.

OK, I do. I totally do. All right. All right. I feel like I have to sell you Miles. Do I have to sell you on this?

I don't know about selling, but I'm very curious to hear your rationale. And again, I'm sure you're probably right.

I just want to understand it better because I'm probably wrong about it. That's what we see so many times, is we'll have an ITW within two or three seconds, tops of the fly landing right on the back. OK, so so you can you can lay a fly on the bank. And before you have a clue what's going on, you already see a brown in the water shaking its head. And it's on. It's there. Yeah. So what we need is a fly to turn over all the way.

We need to fly to straighten out. We need everything. I mean, in a perfect world, man, you can make one hundred foot cast and that last four, five feet turns over beautifully. But it doesn't always do that with a big fly level line. So when you put like a 15 to 20 inch section of of thirty to forty five pounds, no, I'm still kind of a mono guy, but mono on the end of that cinching line, what you have is just a little bit of extra taper for lack of a better word, to help turn over that fly.

So, so you don't run into those those those times where you have a little bit of pile that ended up happening right at the end of a cast on a level line and you're watching it browns headshake and you can't come tight. So that's my thing. So it's an insurance policy really for those ones. And it's just about basically staying a straight on that fly from the second it hits down. Exactly. Miles, how wrong do you feel right now?

I mean, are we comparing it to like a normal everyday conversation with my wife wrong or I've really, really screwed something up and like my life choices wrong, I'm going to say more on the normal everyday side.

My take away on this is that there's very little margin for error when you're talking about like that one fish that you want to get. And when you throw in big flies, you're really after that one fish. And so what I hear you saying, Brian, is do everything you possibly can to maximize your ability to come to that and that this it. I only get you a couple extra inches, but those inches might be the difference between being successful and not being successful.

Absolutely. I think that's a valid point.

And we could and we could all use a few extra inches at all times, denser every chance I get.

Yes, we are about out of time here on Bent, which brings us to the end of the line, the segment that leaves you with a better sense of what to cast this weekend based on historical data and generally our worthless instincts. So this week, Miles is going to bring it home with a nod to an oji metal with some bling and also managed to work in cocain, lake trout zealots and something the entire province of Ontario should feel good about.

It's not loud enough, but. Spoon's or Oggi, at least as far as fishing laws are concerned, for thousands of years, anglers have known that if you drag something curved and shiny through water, good chance official Bidart.

Over time, though, Spoon's have become pretty refined. You can find innumerable permutations suited to specific situations of species, but certain spoons have become iconic in modern tackle. And while I'm sure we'll cover some of the big ones eventually in this segment, I'm going to start with a slightly lesser known classic, the red eyed Wigler. The defining characteristic of this spoon is right there in the name. It has two ruby red eyes. These guys aren't painted on as would become fashionable later.

The original red eye actually had large cut glass beads built into the body of the spoon, though the glass was later swapped for plastic. Of course, red eye wigglers were thought of as vintage even when I was a kid. But they're still manufactured today. I remember being pissed about my family going to an antique store when I was like ten.

But then I discovered the vintage fishing tackle section.

I stared at those old boxes and rusted hooks until my folks dragged me out of there carrying a slightly tarnished, red eyed Wigler. Certain that had held enough ancient mojo to rise every fish that saw it. But I was wrong. I never actually got a single thing on that leuer, and it eventually moved from the tackle box to a shelf because even though I couldn't catch fish on it, something about it just stuck with me. It looked cool, but set aside my own inability to use this bait.

Turns out the red eyed Wigler has a pretty impressive pedigree, so there's a reason I was drawn to it.

The lure came out in 1928, manufactured by the Hoff Schneider Corporation of Rochester, New York. The company's founder, Dr. Frederick J. Schneider was a local dentist with a penchant for invention and fishing. In 1926, he patented the automatic dental lubricator, a device that revolutionized dentistry by reducing pain for patients getting their teeth drilled.

Remember, this is the 20s. Novacaine was a widely used yet. I mean, they just got passed giving people cocaine to do dentistry.

At that point, dentists just strapped their victims down and dove in with foot pedal drills that got extremely hot as they bore through tooth enamel.

Dr. Horsh, netters invention kept drill bits constantly wet and that minimized heat from friction and pain and all the other things that went along with that heat that didn't make cavity filling painless. But it was a heck of a lot better than the hot knife method that had been doing.

And now it seems like that's the invention that should be remembered for the one that helped minimize pain, suffering and collateral damage in dental patients. But no, it's not. He's remembered for a fishing lure. In fact, after a few years, demand for the lures grew so large that the Hofstetter Corporation stopped manufacturing dental equipment entirely.

They went on to produce a whole line of red eyed lures. But the Wigler remained their top seller and claim to fame. That fame was cemented in 1952, when Hubert Hammers cut a sixty two pound, two ounce lake trout from the Canadian side of Lake Superior on a wiggler. That fish stood as the hook and line world record liquor for nearly 20 years and is still the Ontario provincial record. The Hoff Schneider Corporation sold manufacturing rights for the entire Red-Eye line to Scotch game calls in 1979.

And then Eppink, the makers of the Daredevil Spoon, purchased Scotch game calls in 1994. So you can still buy brand new wigglers from Effinger. And there's a whole Codrea of northern pike and lake trout fishermen who swear by them, saying that the oversized red eyes actors' strike triggers, possibly imitating immature smallmouth bass. Me, I'm still not convinced. I always found that these spoons had a tendency to roll instead of wiggle, so they had to be fished at just the right speed.

But I think that's a problem. Not so much a wiggler problem. And really, who cares what I think about this leuer?

It's been in production for nearly a century and caught bigger fish than I've ever seen. It's the signature brainchild of an entrepreneur, an inventor who, aside from his dental drills and fishing lures, also came up with new pinball machines and beer taps.

The wigglers is more than just a fishing lure, it represents some of the greatest aspects of early 20th century America. That's more worthy of celebration than any record fish. For those of you keeping track this semester, we've learned that Joe is one of the few men on the planet that actually knows what a pillow sham is, why you don't hire a guide when what you really need is a marriage counselor.

And that I'm about to get bombarded with emails about filthy flying names and my inability to fish a simple spoon.

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