He was my name is John Leguizamo, and I feel I really feel bad because I feel great about.

Well, wait a minute. That's the least convincing was. My name is John Leguizamo and I feel great about now. No, no, no, no, no.

Back to school ringing, the bell rang. She was walking along the fence. And we are going to be friends, Shakuntala, go. Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien, needs a friend, the podcast it always delivers. I'm sorry, I just I don't know. I tried to go in with that big, hard cell up front, and I think I overdid it. What does it deliver? I don't know. I mean, it's just I guess just it always delivers people chatting in an informal setting.

I mean, it does do that. Yeah. It's not like a motor oil that always delivers peak performance at maximum RPM's. It's not that we deliver comfortable chat in a confined period of time. It will fit your commute nicely.

We promise to deliver some kind of noise. We'll there'll be some noise, some of which you may enjoy.

If not, I think it's free and we deliver. The bar is so low. Yep. That's my motto in show business.

Set that bar real low and then fare to fail to clear it and also fail to save fans. I just said fair to clear it. It's been a long day. I had a long, I really really it a really long day. I probably should, you know, tell people this thing at home. I'm an incredible athlete and I competed in several seven Ironman tournaments today. We had a few pitches earlier with the TV show. Yeah. Yeah.

But I thought maybe when you said you've had a hard day, it was a chance for me to lie and let people think that I am an incredible athlete. No, not true. Not that good.

How are you. Well, I've got something that might cheer you up. Oh, OK.

I'm going to say 40 percent chance. That's true. OK, I know that's being generous.

It's cause for celebration because Koenen Seona happy one hundredth podcast this was.

You're kidding. Oh wow. We've done a hundred podcast situations pal. Don't touch me. It's covered.

I'm sorry. Jesus what are you doing. You can't touch people. I'm so glad I'm not with you too.

Hey that's that's a milestone. Remember when we started out I think was Will Ferrell was the first one. Yes. I remember then people saying this isn't going to last. I think Will Ferrell has said it immediately. Yeah. This isn't going anywhere. It defied a lot of odds.

Yeah. He walked out. Yeah, he was stormed out. I've never seen him that mad.

No, that's that's incredible. I can't believe it's been one hundred episodes. I know. Cool. Yeah. And I think we've had I'm going to say I think our batting average is not bad. I think we've had a lot of really fun encounters. All of them have been fun encounters. Yeah, I think so. I think so, yes. I think every episode has been really fun. I think it's been really fun to to do this with you, to do it with Matt.

I think the three of us have a good time. What are you saying it like you're under duress?

No, no, I'm not being actually sincere. I am being sincere, too. I know. I am. I am. I am. I really do. I think we have a very nice chemistry and I really, I think, have laughed incredibly hard and especially during covid. I'm thrilled to get to come in and do this because it's like it's such a nice escape for me. I mean, I don't know. I hope it is for the listeners, but for me, it's a nice escape to have some of these these conversations.

It's a bomb, be a L.M. bomb, a soothing aloe vera for my soul. That's good. That's good. You spelled it troubled times.

Well, sometimes you say bomb and people don't quite hear it.

But anyway, that's that's great. One hundred episodes you must have bought. Did you buy us? Who would buy us something? Do we get each other?

Should we get a cake or what do you do for one hundredth podcast episode.

Is that Dinah. No, Matt, you're the podcast or hear what happened. Yeah, I feel like Adam SAC's the sort of guru behind the podcast. Should dig into his own pocket and get each of us a Bentley.

Yes. Got a Bentley and mine should have a license plate pod one. Yours should have a license plate pod too. And sonas just to confuse people should have one that says pod four and there's No. Three.

But yeah, Adam SAC's, who has done very well with his other ventures, he was the one who gave Elon Musk the money to start up his company. He's a big guy, owns a big piece of SpaceX. Yep. He got in big to online pornography when it was just starting as an actor and then as a producer and probably stuff you can look up about him online. But no, he's he's done a brilliant job. And I'm sure I don't think Bentleys are coming our way.

I like my kiya. I don't think someone gave me a Bentley. I'd probably still drive my kiya. Oh, and I'm sorry it was bum everyone out and I ruined it.

No, you're keeping it real. You're keeping it real. You have it. Your key is very nice, especially considering the car you had before the kiya.

OK, moving is absolutely awful.

She had a car and when you would get in and she would turn on the air conditioning it smelled like bad cheese. Is that true or false? It's true. And we did a segment on it on the show and you broke it and then you you broke like the of some things on it and you never fixed it afterwards.

That was on the TV show. Yes. We never talk about. A TV show on the podcast we talk about all the time, don't we? The podcast is The Mistress. What's this TV show? The TV show. Is the wife. So the TV shows the wife. I've been with the wife a long time and I'm doing the best I can to keep it together. The podcast Kuraby Needs a Friend is. Well, let's just say it's the goomar.

It's the goomar. It's this incredible hot with this Sicilian woman much younger than me. I see. And I have. Yes, spicy. And she has a fiery temper and she's always saying, oh, you're sad.

You're going to get rid of the wife. That's kind of what this is. Yeah. And I say, I'll get rid of the wife. I'll get rid of the wife. Just doing it. Just doing it a little longer to the kids are a little older. The kids meeting, you know, Andy Richter and the people that work. Oh, right. Right. No. Mad, don't get mad, let's just have incredible sex right now.

Oh, but you know, and then I'm fine.

Why wait? No, no, no, no, there's no analogy there. I mean, I just say that this is this is my true passion. This is my spicy Italian illicit affair.

Yeah. This podcast. That's good. And hey, something to spice this all up because it's 100 episodes. We're doing something kind of special. Do you want to talk about that?

No, I do not. Good night, everybody. Tonight I. I do I do want to mention this because this is the kind of thing you can only do with your couldn't do this on my TV show. Look at the way I talk about them baratz, my TV channel and as my podcast.

You know, this is exciting because I'm here to tell you that we are going to be next week, next week announcing the golden ticket.

Oh, yeah. Oh, tell us all about it.

Very good. Matt, I see why you've made it so far in this game. This is a special moment because we are announcing the golden ticket. That's right. Let me explain the golden ticket. A few lucky fans are going to get the chance to virtually meet me, Seona and Gawley.

Few fans will be lucky to get the chance to virtually meet me, Seona and Gawley and possibly be featured on this podcast. So here's what you do. You listen to next week's show, to the Kevin Hart episode, and it's a good one. Let me tell you something and you will find out on that episode. If you've won a golden ticket, make sure to also watch the show, that TV show and follow Team Coco on Instagram for other chances to win more details in rules at Team Coco dot com slash golden ticket.

We want to thank our friends at State Farm for helping make this all happen. They grease the wheels, if you know what I mean. Thank you, State Farm.

And yeah, this golden ticket thing could be good. And I like meeting people. Yeah.

How does it feel to be the Willy Wonka of podcasting, the creep who has a chocolate factory and forced laborers?

Yeah, literally Juli's. How sick, how nauseated you'd be by the sight of a chocolate stream if that was your. Yeah. Day in, day out existence.

That's the thing I always think about when I see the original not talking about Johnny Depp, the original Willy Wonka is that yeah, it's fun to pop in, but if day in, day out your job is to stir a giant caramel, that you'd start to be sickened by it. I guess also there's so many health and safety problems at Willy Wonka. Yeah, OSHA. OSHA would have shut that thing down a long time ago on that tour alone.

Six kids are killed. There's no protective rail around the river of chocolate.

Augustus went there and just started putting his disgusting fingers in there and drinking out of the chocolate stream.

Yeah, no, it's clear that OSHA inspectors come by, government inspectors come by to check it out. And Willy Wonka has the murdered. Yeah.

What letter grade do you think it gets?

Oh, no, it doesn't ever get a lower grade. Every time they send someone from the government over there to check it out, they don't come back.

And then someone, somewhere in Walkerville is biting into their chocolate bar and they bite into an index finger like, what the hell?

They're in the candy. Yes. Oh, my God. What sort of gobstoppers? Yeah. Oh, God, it's a testicle. We'll tell gobstopper is. Yes, an ocean Spectre's testicle that's been ossified, calcified and then caramelized. So when you're sucking on that gobstopper, it said dead OSHA workers. Testico murderer. You're a murderer. Wonca. Anyway, I hope that doesn't ruin the original movie for anybody and probably explains why they won't let me do the intro on that movie whenever it airs on television.

All right.

We shouldn't screw around anymore. We've just probably created a major lawsuit with a very powerful film company. My guest today, very talented actor, comedian, writer and director who has appeared in such films as Moulin Rouge. Like The Way I say that, yeah, Romeo and Juliet, OK, that was just not an ice age, I thought unnecessary.

And his one man show, Latin History for Morons is now available to stream on Netflix. And his film Critical Thinking, which he starred in and directed, is available on video on demand.

I'm very excited. This gentleman is joining us today.

John Leguizamo, welcome. You know what, let's face it, you weren't that enthusiastic about being my friend, it took you a couple of tries. Listen, please, please, Johnny Legs, Johnny. That's what that's what we always call you. I remember that. Is that back in 93. My producer, still my producer, Jeff Ross, from his show, he had a connection with you. And I was like, I'm going to call Johnny Legs, see if he'll come in and just interview, you know.

And do you remember that cartoon about the aardvark, the ant and the aardvark and the and of course, the aardvark was Jackie Mason.

You so I realized a long time ago that Jeff Ross was the aardvark in the Anthony Aardvark, because he's going to be like, hey, so what do I want to get a bite to eat and eat some soup, some soup. Hey, anyway, this Jeff, that is Jeff. I called I called Johnny Legs, and he's going to do us a favor. He's going to come in and he's going to do the the guest interview. And so you were very kind.

You were very nice to me back in the day. You've always been a gentleman, a scholar. And I have a like I've always enjoyed.

I was always enjoyed being on the show. I was on your show like nine times, bro.

Oh, no, no, no. Nine times. Are you kidding? You have any idea how many times you were on our show? I could look it up, but it would be more like in the 80s. He I was your co-host more than Andy Richter, I think. And there's a period of time where you're on the show more than I am.

We we've known each other so long. But this is a chance for us really to talk, because one of the things I love about doing the podcast is there are all these guys like you that I talked to and you come out and you score and you're really funny. And then it's time for the next guest and maybe you got to run and we don't get to really get down into it. And that's what this song never got past is all about.

I want to know the horrible things you've done in your life.

Oh, yeah. This is the time for me to open up to you. Yes. Yeah. And then you're going to regret that. Don't tell my therapist. Yeah. This is the stuff that's not going to happen. Are you out of your mind? Yeah. Share everything you suffer or the dark side of yourself in a public forum. Yeah. That was really fun at the dreams you've had where where where you were in the arms of Shaquille O'Neal and you feel things you've never felt before.

I mean, we've all had those. I felt whole I felt safe. First of all, let's start with the basics, which is I'm curious how all my friends are throughout this insane period that we're going through. I don't know what we're going to call this pandemic after it's over. But you and I have something in pandemic.

Yeah. Which is we both you really love being in front of a crowd. I have to say, I am very animated by being in front of a crowd. It gives me something. And that's just not happening right now. I mean, you more than almost anyone I know, you're constantly coming up with one man shows. And I know it's just because you're addicted to an audience, you are addicted.

I mean, I love it. I love it definitely feeds me. I mean, it's not the only reason I do a show. I'm doing it because I have things that I got to get out of my system and things I have to say and things I have to accomplish in America before I passed. Is this this life? What's going on? What's going on is a certain age. And, you know, you start thinking about your mortality and your legacy and no, you're too young for that.

That's for like when you were. And the sooner you start thinking about it, the more you do.

Oh, you know, I mean, you're more the more you accomplish because you're like, OK, I got a certain amount of time to accomplish all the things I want to get done. And I got a lot that I want to get done. So, yeah, I mean, I love an audience, man. I do. But, you know, I've been doing a lot of zooming. I mean, I'm doing like performances and there's like thirty people on it.

So I don't feel like I'm alone. I'm always on Zoom and I've gotten used to it. I feel like I feel like I am hanging out. I do Zoom's with friends, you know, like with Ethan Hawke. We're doing a play together with Matthew Broderick. We did a charity event. I've been doing tons of stuff.

Right. I don't know if the zoom doesn't do it for me. I like all I like. I don't get that same feeling off. Assume what I do is I drive around with the window down, you know, so I'm distanced and I'm moving through the air and I shout what I think is funny stuff at random people as I pass them. And they're not sure that have the same effect I get a little bit of. First of all, they don't know who I am because my hair is so long now.

Like, I don't I look like I look like a very nice middle aged woman.

Oh, I was just say like her bro. Oh, she does. He does like you. Like one of the Beach Boys. Yeah. And the beach boy that never went outside because he was afraid of getting skin cancer. Right. Oh my God. That was neurotic. Yeah. OCD one. Oh oh my oh my. Beach Boys songs that I contributed to the group are about you've got to cover up at least SPF 50, beautiful harmony tent Breslov, beautiful harmonies about it.

You really should wait till the sun is like at around five thirty fewer breaks through the ozone layer. Beautiful songs that people love by the way, but by. They're so vulnerable, they're so vulnerable and really specific about skin, about skin cancer. Yeah, no, I mean, you don't worry. I mean, you've got that beautiful Latin skin, you know, that I think is gorgeous. I really do.

Because we have talked about I like talking to you. This is fun. No, no, I'm serious. I like my melanin. Yeah, you have. I always had more melanin, but I got the feeling that I got. You got the money. I got no melanin.

I got absolutely nothing. And then little splotches. I've got little freckles and I mean everywhere.

I got freckles too. I'm a freckled followed as well as your your freckles. I don't think I've seen your freckles is hard. They're they're, they're all like, you know, you connect the dots, it just browner on a brown skin. So yeah. On you. It looks really good. I can see now you don't get any closer than that. That's fine. I'm sorry. I'm very I like intimacy. That's that's really good. I'm, I'm worried about.

Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. Intimacy. I'm not afraid of intimacy. I'm just worried about that. You seem to be locked poor and I'm worried about where that's going to blow up on you.

You know, I didn't realize and I've known you for all these years that you were born in Bogota, Colombia.

I'm an immigrant. Yeah. When I was three years old and we came to Jackson Heights, Queens, my family, we lived all in one room together and slept in one bed together. And it was like no living room, no dining room, no bedrooms. And my parents worked their asses off. And then we moved into a bit of an upgrade the next year where we didn't have a Murphy bed anymore. We know we still had a movement, but my parents had their own private room so they could do their thing.

The Murphy.

Well, yes, my parents have got to do their thing except my parents, who I don't think ever did their thing. But anyway, they must have done it because you're here. Well, we don't know where I came from. If anyone was created in a lab, it was me. But the great human experiment, that's the great the Murphy beds, the great thing that used to be an old comedies. It's the foldout bed. It folds.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and it was in the old comedies where guys would jump on it and then the Murphy bed would flip up in a wall and slam them in there.

You had the fee would be. Yeah, that would be gone. Yeah. There's a bunch of things that's like the 30s and 40s. The big thing was a Murphy bed and you and I grew up television was mostly them showing us stuff that was made in the 30s and 40s, big guy, right way back. Because when when you and I are growing up, really coming of age in the early 70s, nineteen seventies, I'm guessing we're we're watching all the local channels that you could get in that had reception which show you old Three Stooges.

They would just throw the show that stuff 24 hours a day and so. Oh yeah.

Twenty four hours a day. Three Stooges. Popeye Yeah. I think to the 20s and 30s. The our gang. Yes. Argan So I grew up knowing about.

Yeah. Why, why, why, why, why, why.

Why, why. Why so. And when I'm in the mood for love you guys you're near me.

But it's so weird because you and I both are growing up in these families. A bunch of kids jam together and you'd think would be consuming all the really cool music and whatever was coming out. That was really cool. In 1974, I was not I was watching all this stuff on television that had been made of the 1930s and 40s. Even the Bugs Bunny cartoons were made in the 1940s. So. That's right. That's right. Like an anvil would fall on the coyote and flatten him.

And I didn't know what an anvil was. I just knew it was a heavy thing that flattened coyotes. It took me right.

Right. But not blacksmiths where you could never seen it and pulled. But the guys making those cartoons had seen Anvil's when they were kids because there were still black, because there was eighteen hundred. Yeah.

It's one of the most of the animators working for Warner Brothers were over a hundred years old and they were all they had fought in the Civil War.

Well, if you if you're in the 1930s and you're like, what? How old are you going to be like doing cartoons? Maybe you're going to see how you were born in the country. Yeah. In the eighteen hundred years, actually. Right. So so all I'm saying is that I grew up knowing about comedy gags where a person would have a weight reduction belt that jiggled your belly which. Right. Right, right. Machine they had in the thirties and forties that then didn't exist anymore.

And so they were stupid and fake. Yes, it was jiggle your fat. It didn't take it off. Yeah, well, we've since then, thankfully, we live in a society now where there's nothing stupid and fake that's being sold out, but everything really works now.

Everything really works. And you see advertised advertising is true, but probably you like me, figured out, oh, comedy or being funny can probably get me out of trouble if I'm in trouble.

I mean, I don't know how we got that. I guess Bugs Bunny was always using comedy to get out of trouble. So that was like that was a big cartoon life lesson, right? Yeah. Now what would I throw a little magic. Mugsy was in the area. Might be right. I get me getting away with this crazy rabbit. So, you know, I felt like I felt like comedy definitely did help me. I mean, it helped me not get beat up, helped me, you know, make my dad laugh so he wouldn't be, you know, such a dick.

And he was kind of horrible at home and in comedy was the thing that kept me just feeling safe. You know, it was my defense mechanism against a hostile world at home, outside, on the street, everywhere.

Comedy would make my friends laugh. It never kept me from getting bullied. The bully usually didn't get what I was going to be.

And they didn't get that problem with high brow humor. But then I got slapped around, you know, or shoved or big a smart ass. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I remember you making fun of me. Yeah. And then I have this is a true story.

I was with my brother Luke. People were always confusing. Luke and I, they thought we were twins. He was a year older, but they got us confused. And Luke was and is still incredibly smart. He's the really smart one. And he had no fear for some reason. And there was this market we used to go to our house called Kirkman's market, and there was some tough kids that hung around Kirkman's market.

And they would always they didn't know my name, but they'd be like, Hey, Luke, Luke.

And they'd come running over and surround us and just shove us around and basically intimidate us. And it's scary. I was once there with Luke back then.

Kids in Boston would say, what are you mental meaning? And just that just was like short for what are you stupid? And so this kids would be like, what do you do? They said something to look like, what are you, mental? And Luke said, I'll never forget that. He said, Well, mental comes from the Latin of the mind. So yes. And thank you very much. A beating that ensued lasted 10 minutes.

And later on I was like, would you do that for me? Is like, well, you know, if they're going to use Latin words, they should know the root. My fucking badass. You made it worse. Yeah, you can use etymology as Thach Latin has never stopped to fight. Bullies don't like information. No, bullies don't want. No, they don't. But they don't want you to correct them very few times in life.

Has a bully. Has someone been bullying someone and then that person has pointed out to them some fact about the universe they've gone. You know, I'm going to put this giant fist away.

And I put it back in its case because I've learned so much. I've learned the meaning of life. My life has a new purpose. Did did people think you were weird or you were able to pull it off because you would you could always do voices. I know that you could always do voices and you could do differently. I was always doing voices, you know, like I would go to parties if I go, oh, John, put on that coat and do that again.

I'm mean, guess he goes out, you know. You know, so do my voices and people crack up when my dad would laugh, you know, dooby dooby dooby dooby. Oh, stop it. Stop it. Now wait a minute. Imitate him. Yeah, OK. Did your dad because you said he had a temper. If you did an impression of your dad to your dad, did he let it slide when he was asking for it?

Yeah, not on my time. When he was feeling good, it had a few drinks. That was all chill. If I was doing it when he was all other times I would get a beating because I had to say with my dad, you couldn't say like my dad. John, come only I over here I go. What did you say? What to me you have to say. So don't ever say what. Yeah, because the Latin dad Latin dad's here.

What as fuck you really good. Say so you can't say what. And so I would say what. And I knew I would get a smack and I would get smacked and then I feel beaten up. But at least I had, I was anti authority. Right.

That's I didn't know that. That you have to say. You had to say sir to your dad. Oh hell yeah. I had to say, sir, I couldn't say what. Yeah. My dad made me call him the admiral, even though he's not an admiral. He was because he was, you know, had lost his best man, authoritarian. You needed to resist. He would say, you address me as the admiral. And I'd say, well, you've never served.

You've never I don't think you don't know how to say, oh, no, I don't know how to use it. Yeah. And he had an admiral's hat that he would take out that was all banged up and he put it on and go, I am the admiral and it didn't go.

You confuse him with that guy that used to be on TV is introduced by the admiral. No. Are you having a mental break? Well, yes, that's what the podcast is for. Whenever I feel like I'm just about to go, I quickly run into the podcast studio and I'm like, get me tiny legs. I got I could have had my breakdown in front of somebody who you confusing reality with television usually watch on TV. You watch a lot of television.

It was like a babysitter. I mean, I was watching TV 24/7, but it influences your comedy. Oh, incredibly.

I learned so many comedy moves by the time I was fifteen because I was watching Marx Brothers, Three Stooges. I mean, a lot of old stuff. I mean some new stuff, but predominantly old stuff which you can you think about it. They were all doing vaudeville, so. Right, right. You're learning our comedy moves even though it's nineteen seventy four. We're learning our comedy moves as much from vaudeville as we are from George Carlin.

What is vaudeville comedy LRT? I mean it's our classic anyway. I mean it's all really classic routines from the beginning of time, even from Aristophanes. Yeah. Well when did. I'm going to get beat up for you. My brother Leuchter, my brother Lucas calling in right now. Did you say Aristophanes? I did say over the phone, which has never happened before. I'm curious. I love comedy. And it was just something I did for fun.

It never in a million years occurred to me that I could do it for a living.

Did you know that you could do it? Oh, hell no. I mean that I could make a living out of it. Are you out of your mind? No way. I mean, I just I just loved acting in comedy and I just took acting classes and and all of a sudden I went to NYU. I studied acting and I got into a student film and a student film, won a Spielberg award, which is like an Oscar for a student film that I got an agent and I was doing improv groups and I had a sketch comedy group.

So I did that stuff. But I never thought I would make cash. I didn't think I would make money. I never saw anybody like myself, you know, out there. So I was like, I'm not I'm not going to make it. I was the only Latin person in my acting classes in my in my acting classes in college. And, you know, in the comedy club, there was only one of the Latin person to me.

When you moved to Queens, was it a Latino neighborhood or was it not? Well, it was in transition. It was reverse gentrification. We were moving in and there was a thing called white flight. I don't know if you ever heard that. I have. I myself have practiced white flight. I've run away from everything in my life, usually from my wife. Oh, yeah. What? She's angry. But tell me about that. So you move in and it's in transition.

And this is all Latin people are moving in all kinds of Latin people, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Colombians, Ecuadorians and and the white people, the Germans, Irish to Jews, the Italians all leaving. Right, right. And, you know, of course, they'll beat me up before they left. And that's just to make sure. Let's see, I turned off the gas.

I locked the door. I turned off the gas and locked up. There was time to beat. Let's come here. Where is your fucking Johnny? Hey, hey, hey, hey. Come over here. You come on me. I want to talk this morning here for today. It would be silly reminding them don't beat up John Leguizamo. Thank you, siete. That's a good friend to have. See, he's a jolly was always come over here, there and everywhere.

They lower the property values. I can't think of it. I'm going to go produce a conejo and then I can't keep I can't keep up. But I've been producing it all my life. I'm going to do it with my death. I can go with the job in the security.

I started producing content when I was fifty five now. And why is he under Methuselah? All right, I'm gonna get out of water. So, you know what's fascinating is that you've had, you know, some people would say, OK, I'm just going to go on to stand up, I'm just going to go into sketch comedy. You got yourself and you were determined to get apparently a very broad education in theatre and all kinds of theatre. It felt like you had this sort of big appetite for, I want to know improv.

I want to be able to do one man shows. I want to be able to work in sketches with other people. I want to be able to work, as you have with some of the best directors in in the business. You had this appetite for throw it at me. I want to learn about it.

I want to take this seriously. Yeah. As I say with the greats, you know, and I learned a lot from them and it made me appreciate craft, you know. And so to me, craft was everything. I felt everything had a skill. And you had to learn it like improv and and sketch comedy. And then when I do, One-Man shows it was one man show grafting. You know, I loved it. And and I and also I'm a Latin guy, so my opportunities were also limited.

So I knew I had to do everything if I was ever going to survive in this business, just like Jaylo, Jaylo, what she does, she gets to dance, she has to sing. She's so alone. She has to be a judge on a show because, you know, you can't do it on just you know, you Latinist. Right.

Right. Probably hard for you because you've seen it change so profoundly since you were nineteen twenty. Right. And a Latino guy was this know was out. Maybe you no idea what the fuck I want to kick your ass. You either gangbanger, a murderer, a drug dealer or you were cleaning somebody's house and it was always it was me, Louis Guzman, Benicio Del Toro, Benjamin Bratt and we go to these auditions and it'd be the for us he was hiding behind.

There was a male. You don't be doing this shit again. Oh yeah. We're doing this shit again. And it's like, yo, they called me, hey man, I'm coming in. You know, you put on your leather jackets, bandanas on. It was so it was you know, it was like Stepin Fetchit Latin style.

Right, right. I mean, obviously throughout your career, you just kept hammering away at, you know, changing that identity. And you look at what kids, young kids are seeing now is if you had said when you were 19 or 20, I want to. Alexander Hamilton, you know what I mean? I can just imagine the reaction that you would get. Well, I mean, can you imagine pitching that to a network or studio? The studio heads would be like, excuse me, wait a minute, Hamilton.

And we played by a Puerto Rican. I'm going to be black. I'm going to tell you something. I know for a fact the founding fathers didn't speak in hip hop. It have never got done, man. They would have never been a movie. It would have never been a network or streaming series. It just would have never happened. But the beautiful thing about theater and why I stayed in theater was because there are no gatekeepers there, you know?

I mean, it's just a matter of you raise the money. You have a great script that you hope is critic proof and boom, you're set for life. You know, your content doesn't have to be passed on by executives or lesser executives trying to prove their worth. Giving you ridiculous notes. No, you do your thing with your director and boom, you're on stage and then the audience either comes or doesn't. And that's that's how you survive.

And that's how, you know, you're you're relevant, I know, than the times of my life when I've been when I'm attached to a giant machine. I'm always conscious that I'm here by the grace of that machine, you know, that that they can be a machine.

You mean like when you make a giant network, like a giant network or a studio? I know that I'm here. And what does that make you do? What does that make you do?

Well, it just makes you you know, I tried throughout my career to just let my weirdness, my freak flag fly regardless of that.

But there are periods in my time that's pretty amazing. I got to say, that's pretty amazing, because for you to have allowed yourself to be such a unique individual takes a lot of chutzpah and courage and and cleverness because how do you get that passed? And that was true. They all want to make everybody the same progeny's. You know, in the early days, what I learned, which was smart, was just to just agree. Eventually they forget.

And then when it starts to work, they forget that they told you it had to go right. Like, you know, lose the stupid haircut, change the stupid name, stop acting like an idiot. And that these sketches are so weird. Stop being so weird. And what happens over time is they just when it's starting to work, they're like, yup, yup. I knew that would be OK. And I and then the thing that's important to do is don't say I told you so.

So I say, yeah, no thank you. Thank you very much. Just keeping anything to keep it going. Right. Let's make them think it's their idea. And they came up with and then they love you even more because they believe that they're the ones that created you. Yeah. Created the success of the.

Should you have done such a spectacular job of creating your reality, you can do a one man show, but you can also be directed by a Brian De Palma or a Spike Lee or B in like Romeo and Juliet or Moulin Rouge. You can there's no putting you in a category. And I think that just comes out of talent and stubbornness, I'm guessing, because it's not just definitely no, it's not just one.

You're right. It is a lot of stubbornness because I'm not going to quit. I'm tenacious. I wanted to be with all the greats like Baz Luhrmann and Spike Lee, Ava DuVernay and I got a chance to be in that incredible series when they see us about the Central Park five. I know. I saw and I you know, I would have paid her to be in it because you don't want to mention that. You don't want to say that.

I'm not. No, I'm saying it now after. Yeah. And that was really courageous. I would have said that I hate stupid. And also, you always want to mention that right up front. I'll do this for free. Good. After the fact.

I don't know how old your kids are, but my son is fourteen and my daughter's sixteen. And that's that made that so hard for me to watch. Just knowing how sensitive and beautiful and innocent a fourteen, fifteen or sixteen year old can be and to see them get put through that meat grinder unjustly, I just it's not was nauseating. Just absolutely.

Oh yeah. Absolutely nauseating at the justice system. I mean, some of the kids weren't even there. Right. That's the crazy thing. They rounded them up. I mean, it was a crazy, crazy story where Trump, you know, took out one hundred thousand page ad. I don't know how I pay for it because he's he's always broken his taxes. But but somehow he got he paid for this back when he paid his taxes. This is back.

This is the biggest tax in twenty years. Maybe you're right. Maybe that was right. But this is just before when he overpaid the overpaid his taxes and he realized this. So he decided at twenty four twenty years after this, I'm going to recoup the overpayments that I made that I'm pretty sure because this is a very pro Trump podcast. So I'm not going to run. Well, that's the only reason son would sign on so hard for Trump.

Oh no, no, no, whatever. Well it's your first night had I ever saw was on Sona anyway. That's the business. No.

I want to ask you, you talked about growing up in the same room when your family first moved to Queens, I believe that there's something magical that happens when you have to sleep with brothers in the room like that. In my situation, I grew up in a room where I would look with my two brothers. So there were three of us, all three of you, Neal and Luke, each had had a twin bed and I had a cot that was on the against the wall.

You're a big guy for a. No, no, I wasn't a big guy then. This was me. Oh yeah. I was just a torso that my legs hadn't shown up. And I remember just being in that room. And that would be something that some people would complain about now. Like, I had to live in a room with three of us, but I was thinking at the time I thought was the greatest thing in the world.

I loved it. I love being jammed in with other people. Right.

I mean, my brother and I would talk I mean, we always had a room. We always shared a room together, my brother and I. And we talk all night or goof all night or fight all night. You know, it was it was it was a great time when we shared so much. I mean, it makes you a better communicator, you know. I mean. Right. Makes you a better storyteller, though. All those nights staying up with the till your mom comes in.

I told you to go to sleep. I had to go to work. You talk all night and to God, I like your mom. I like all of it. But she was always trying to get us to go to bed.

It was like impossible not to not not my brother and I my mother was always her thing was drama.

You know, there's the lady in the Marx Brothers movies that goes well, Mr. Groucho. Margaret, do Margaret to mind. Margaret Dumont. Yes, Margaret Dumont. My mother always had a whiff of that about her, which is always kind of like, oh, you're incorrigible.

Yeah, well, she didn't have an accent. I certainly it's a pleasure. She grew up in Worcester, Mass. But she and very well educated. But she was just like, well, I'd like to think that my children wouldn't use a word like that.

But I suppose and the word that we had used was like knucklehead, you know, like something that should be allowed fatheaded. Yeah, exactly. What I was hoping that my children wouldn't stoop so low.

It was always more. That's still that's still the voice I hear in my head. I'm curious, you've done so many different One-Man shows and it feels like there's obviously a drive behind each one. Latin history for morons. I love the title. What were you going for with Latin history for morons? What what were you trying to say?

Well, I think I was trying to even the playing field for Latin people. I really I really felt like it was a call to action for me. I, I had to make right with America the psychosocial erasure that we Latin people have experience in this country. For five hundred years I was like, I have to dig for the the history and present it in a way that's really palatable to everybody. Right. So that everybody understands even Latin people that were not less than we're not second class citizens.

We didn't just get here. We've been here for five hundred years. And before that we were great empires. Maya, Enka, Astatke, imagine Apache and and and I had to get that information out there. And the and the beautiful thing is that's what happened. I weaponized this information and all of a sudden Latin kids are coming up to 19 and 20 because I was so angry, didn't know what to do with it. But now your show, I know I can use information and books and my weapons.

And I was like, yes, yes, that's got to be a good feeling. Oh, my God. It's a great feeling, man. It's a great feeling. And the mayor of California of L.A. came, Garcetti came. And then a few months later, he started a whole commission about how to include Latin history, more ethnic studies in the curriculum. So all these little victories were so incredible for me and I was so excited. You know, I look the things that I learned.

Was shocking to me that I hadn't had that in the history textbook, that I hadn't seen it in a in a Spielberg movie band of brothers, where's the Brown brother? You know what I mean, right? I mean, what happened? I mean, we were the only ethnic group that's fought in every single war America has ever had with the most decorated minority in every one of those wars. And I'm talking about the American Revolution, where 10000 unknown Latino patriots fought out of a total of 80000 troops.

That's one in eight KOENEN. Yeah, that's that's huge. And the twenty thousand was in the Civil War. One hundred twenty one were one five hundred thousand Latin people fought in World War Two with crazy heroes like this guy, Gil Busquets, Mexican guy in France. He he went to church it is and had 40000 Jews from the Nazis and then gave them asylum in Mexico. Where's that? In a Hollywood movie. That's incredible. We went to Latin Oskar Schindler movie, you know.

I mean, it's well, this is your this is your assignment. You know, if I if I make that movie and if they say Conan O'Brien tells this story, people are going to be pretty. I think they're going to be pissed off. You know, if you if you cast yourself as as guild boss because. Yeah, but if you're producing it, I wouldn't be so mad, you know. But I think if I produce it, I should also play your boss.

Yes. I think I put the risk I get to be the leader. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I, I could say, you know, I just I think I, I think I can you know, I think I can play Latino. And what are you saying. No. For so long I'll get behind me. Hard. Hard. No hard. Absolutely. That's a hard one. That's how hard you make a great CGI they have now.

Yeah I know. They made blue people in Avatar. That's right. When I saw Avatar, I stood up in the theater and said I can be Latino. I was escorted from the theater, escorted from the theater and then beaten. But I guess, again, I don't know.

I just think that you're activated by these stories. But, yeah, I think that's the great thing, too, is you have the power to to get out there and say, we got to get this made. We got to get, you know, and we have to be Toby, I mean, because of Black Lives Matter, I mean, things are there's a real reckoning in America right now, which is really beautiful. I think even even with the dark times that we're living under this the possible death of our democracy, even with, you know, Latin immigrants being put in cages and families being separated daily a thousand a day, and even with covid in the pandemic and the destruction of our economy in so many ways, I mean, it's still beautiful things happening, man.

I mean, I just wish you hadn't listed all those things. You would have you would have cheer me up more if you hadn't listed all of them, because they are there and they exist. And I know. I know. I know we're all freaking out. I started wetting myself as you when you were at the end of that list. It's it's it's it is. But, you know, I have the same feeling that you do, which is there is some real goodness is going to come out of this.

And that sounds can sound hackneyed or trite.

No, no. But it's true. That's what I'm telling you. Change is a common cause of foot. I mean, Scholastic books reached out to me in a whole bunch of Latin people because Latin kids are the least represented in children's picture books, even though we're thirty percent of the nation's public school kids. But they reached out to me, my friend Crash Crazy Legs and all these Latin artists to create children's storybooks. Paramount just made an incredible deal with Eva Longoria, Idris Elba, Angela Bassett, Salma Hayek and myself to create people of color content.

I mean, the Oscars, the new the new rules and the Oscars that I'm not sure when they become implemented, implemented in a twenty twenty two or something like that anyway. But you have to have people of color in your cast and then your crew if you want to submit to us. I mean, these are the changes that I could only have dreamt of my whole life. I never thought they would come true. I mean, to me, that's huge.

Of course. I mean, I love that. You know, you earlier in the interview, you were sort of portraying yourself as this old man whose time well, I don't have much time left, but I think you're in your prime. I really do. I think you're you know, you've done great work. But I feel like, first of all, you look about thirty five. I don't know what you're doing. You're probably having lighting.

What's an eight. Is that. Oh well that's great. That's great. I should have shared that I was a shade too much. I was. No, no, no. I was well behind you and then you know that that's, that's the quote we're going to pull, that's going to get all the press. John Leguizamo eats embryos and then suddenly you're disinvited from the old Eva Longoria list. I got canceled. They canceled my. Yeah, but at least for a really interesting reason.

A joke. I know. But, you know, I love this. It's like I also just wanted to mention critical thinking to which I think is such. Great project that you started and then you directed, which was you say is a true story about these Latin and black kids in the ghetto in Miami who become chess champions. That's their way.

Incredible story, man. It was a beautiful story by two story five latinum black kids. And that's one the toughest neighborhoods in Miami called Overtown, Liberty City back in the day. And in nineteen ninety eight there, the school was defunded. You know, trickle down economy, you know, is a lie that nothing was getting into that neighborhood. And this teacher, Mary Martin, is the one that I play, you know, created this this elected for kids like, like ghetto nerds.

You know, kids didn't want to fight, they want to didn't want to gangbanged and they want to play football or fight. They they wanted a place to nerd out. And he created this little space and they became United States national chess champions in 1980 for five years in a row. I mean, it's incredible story. I just love also that you're shining a light on. Nerds are everywhere, you know, and every year every minority group has has nerds and every socioeconomic class has nerds.

And that's one of the things that I think is sort of a beautiful thing. It's a weird sentiment. But there's no group in America that doesn't have its share of nerds who are doing it. And the ones that I identify with are the ones that are funny to me, too. I was a ghetto nerd. My brother was a ghetto nerd. You know, we just grew up in a tough neighborhood. My brother never left the house because, you know, it was it was a tough neighborhood.

I did you know, I went between both worlds, but my brother didn't go out. But he was like, you know, salutatorian in high school, went to Columbia University, you know, super, super, super nerd. And they exist all over. And you're right. And then they're the the force that powers America.

I think you went too far. Don't power America. God, you cut out on me. You didn't waste my life.

Like, sorry, I just can't go. You know, we're not like the Avengers. Maybe we are. I don't know, maybe we are nerds, everything. You know, Bill Gates. Come on. You're right. You're right, man. I wish I had beaten Elon Musk. Come on. Can you imagine those guys getting bullied? I just think of it. But we could bully them now. You and I could bully them or we can still build them.

Yeah, we just can't get to them because. Because they are in compound. Yeah. And they're surrounded by security. Protected by solid gold robots. Yeah. Listen, I don't want to keep you too long because I know you've got a lot going on. You're a very busy man, but I loved getting to talk to you. It was so nice.

Oh, it was great talking to you. You know, it's great to see you, man. I feel like you're like a long lost family member. Do I look like a long lost family member? You don't look like it. But I feel the feeling. I feel the feeling. I feel the feeling. I wish. I wish I looked like you. But maybe in the next lifetime, maybe I'll get to come back.

Well, it's great to always great to see you, man. You know, ever since I was your first get test guinea pig. That's right. We didn't even have a set when you came on. There was. No, no, you have a system that wasn't built yet. It so and I we're like sitting on orange crates. And I said and I was like, oh, black box. Yeah. Hi, everybody. My name's Conan O'Brien.

I'll be replacing David Letterman. Ha. Anyway, my first guest, John Leguizamo. Let's get him out here. And you were kind enough to play along and I'm laughing because it was true that. Yeah, yeah. And it was a little there was a little tremor in your voice. I'm not going to laugh, of course. Yeah. What's you know, it's there now, but I had a tremor for good reason. I was in way over my head.

But you were always so nice.

I was so much fun man. You what. You were so quick. You always been so quick. And you see the most outlandish stuff. I mean, I love I love always hanging out with. It's the medication I'm on. Well, listen, John, let's get let's I'll get you you get me the other brother. Come on I I'll talk to you soon but God bless and hang in there. Stay safe. And I can't wait this long.

I can't wait to fist bump you over the virtual airwaves. There we go. Look at that. There's the camera right there. There you go. And look at that. Look at that freckled knuckle and tell me what good he recalls. Yeah. Do you want that skin? Is that the skin? You want to tell you what that looks like? Someone open a can of spam from nineteen forty two. That's disgusting. John Leguizamo, the best.

Thank you so much, sir. A big hug. Back to you. I'll see you soon I hope. Yeah. Let's get through this thing and when it's over, I'd love to get a meal and have a blast because we could talk about all this. Jeff Ross just make fun of Jeff Ross the whole time, all night long. He's still all these years later, he's like, oh, you're going to talk to John? And it looks to me, well, no, you know, I'm the one I'm the reason we know who he was because I produced it.

I'm like, Jeff, I know you've been living off John Leguizamo for thirty years. Leave me alone. I'm telling you, I knew him back in the day. Now he's out, he's he's the aardvark from in the article. He is all right, sir. I know you got to go. Ron, thanks a lot, guys. Thank you, man.

Let's do a little review the reviewers. This is where we'll go to Apple podcast and see how the reviews are coming in always fills me with dread, but I accept the will of the people. I know that you always say that this fills me with dread and I always give you complimentary ones. So this time I've chosen one that's not as much.

Is that true? No, but you'll see, I just soiled myself. Conan O five stars.

I used to watch your TV show when I was in college and always enjoyed your humor. And unfortunately I had to stop watching you on TV because your face reminded me of a haunted Victorian doll with neon red hair that I saw during a bad trip.

I continue to see his face in my dreams. Thanks to your search for friends, good luck. I'm again able to enjoy your wit now that I no longer have to look and see the doll's face. Thank you.

That's unbelievable. I mean, first of all, it's beautifully written and obviously this is true. This is how he feels. Yeah. And I'm no fan of my face. I like you. I'm serious. I think you have a delicate face. I thank you. It's nice of you to say. And we don't you don't need to do that. But I'm saying I applaud this person's honesty because they say that I do have a great wit. Thank you.

And I think that's been recorded in history and written about by many great scholars, many people we don't know. There's not many, many New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, many medical journals have weighed in on my wit.

I am a great wit, but. And a man. God, what a quick mind. But let's face it, it's all coming out of this face that you're either down with this face or you are not. And that guy said a haunted Victorian doll.

Well, it's not that your face is bad. It's I can see, you know, with your head that your face is bad.

I think you're a very handsome man. I think it's like with your hair and your complexion, like sometimes you can you know, there could be like funny caricatures of you or like, you know. Yes, yes. That I'm I'm an exaggerated figure. I'm I'm when you see me, you've known you've you know, you've seen me. No one ever says, are you Conan O'Brien? Yes. When you see this pumpkin coming down the street, come on.

You know that you have just, you know, been in the presence of Conan O'Brien.

It there's no no like. Are you this guy? Are you that guy?

I never get that. But isn't that cool? Yeah, that's a good thing in a haunted Victorian doll is not inherently unattractive.

OK, well, this actually reminds me of something because I was invited to give a talk and it was in England at very prestigious university and I was really excited. I decided I'll bring my kids and my wife with me, will make it sort of a fun week. And we went to England and I spoke and it was at Oxford and it was kind of a cool deal. But while we were there, because of jet lag, everything, we couldn't sleep.

So we turn on the TV and this there was this movie on called Brahms' the Boy. Has anyone ever seen and I think it's now it's about this very attractive woman. An old couple says, can you look after we're leaving, will you?

And she thinks she's going to look after a kid. And it's a little doll. And his name is Bruce, you know, and it's this little doll and she's like, whatever, but they're paying. And it's a nice place.

And then, of course, the typical thing where you walk out of the room and then you come back and the doll is in a slightly different now.

OK, but, you know, I don't want to say people always want to say that that's really creepy. Yeah. And my thing is always it's a fucking doll. Smash it. Oh, smash it. Go over and pick up a poker and smash it. Yeah, but she has to watch the doll. You can't just smash Stylianos to watch. Well this is what I would have done. She of course had all those same thoughts.

I would have thought, wait a minute, this doll, it, it's moving around. It's looking at me. Of course there's the obligatory like I'm going to try on this thong and then you turn around and Brahms's in the doorway. Oh, OK. You know what? That's when you smash Broms into pieces and you feed him into woodchipper and then you go and buy a kind of similar doll, the old people come back and go, this doesn't look like Broms.

Go, Yeah, your medication's off. Thanks. I'm out of here.

I would bury it. I put it in a box now. I would bury it till they came in.

Sony, you were just saying you need to watch the doll like you're advocating for watching the doll like a good baby sitter. It'll be safe in a box in the ground.

You seen any horror movies ever? Yeah, I think that you can bury this doll Broms and be like, well, I'll be safe now and go to no, no. From little tiny magic hands clawing their way out of the soil. I don't know guys. So anyway, I was obsessed with we only got to watch part of it. We missed a big chunk of it. We only got to watch part of it and then get to see how it ended because I had to go to bed because I had to give this thing the next day and the kids had to go to sleep.

So I think. To see it then everywhere on like Netflix or wherever is Broms, too. OK, but I said, look, I don't want to watch Broms too.

I want to watch the original Broms because I never got to see it, couldn't find it anywhere. And I mean anywhere. And I, I was going through every single site. I was going online.

It was as if it never existed. Oh my God.

And they realized exactly. But then I found out that it's not called Broms the boy. I think it's just called the boy. The boy. Yeah. Have you looked it up? Yeah, I have. What's it say?

It's the boy. It's from twenty sixteen and it's available to stream on FUBU.

See what. Oh why. It's on Netflix apparently. I think it's on Netflix. Broms make it like. Did he directed it or write it. Why did you think it was called Broms. Because Brons is the name of the kid. Oh the doll. And it and I think in England they were calling it Broms the Boy and then for whatever reason there's something mysterious about this movie because it's hard to pin down.

I think it's called different things, different places like the doll itself. This movie's mysterious, but I'm obsessed now. I want to watch all of Broms the boy. Yeah, I'm telling you.

And you know what? Lauren Cohan from from Walking Dead, isn't it? Who I love. And she's terrific. Yes. So I think people should check this movie out. Yeah. I've heard of a movie called Bad Ronald.

No, it's from the 70s in this family moves into a house to find a young boy lives within the walls of the house, but not supernatural.

He's just like living in the inside the walls and comes out at night to get food.

OK, can I just say something that sounds like a horror movie that that's a squatter? Yeah, that's someone who's just that's just all you have to do is call the police and say this person's here illegally. What if the whole thing ends up in the court and the boy is saying, you know what, I've actually been here for eminent domain. I would love it if that movie just got bogged down in legal long legal meetings. And the boys, they're eating a sandwich and he's covered in soot and spiders, but he's going like, no, no.

Actually, look at it again. Nope. I moved in March 3rd. Twenty six. Yeah, I know, but we didn't know. I know. But that's in the corner of the law. And then they're quoting, we've got good legal counsel. He's got really good legal counsel. Yeah.

And the legal counsel lives meets with him at the house in the wall. They're like we're here to see the boy that lives in the walls of I have to let them in. They have to let him in. Yeah. And then they crawl into the wall, too.

And you can just hear murmuring like, well, actually, no, we think we can get that. Now, what we're going to do, I don't know. We're going to get a summary judgment. And then you just hear the Boiko summary judgment. Do you normally food with you? Do you? Oh, we don't have any food.

But anyway, yeah. Now we'll do your work on that. But oh, there is a matter of yes, we're working pro bono, but we'd like to see some kind of retainer because we're going to have to look, you know, I'm sure we can work that out. And then the boy and the lawyers come out and say, can we use your fax machine?

Listen to this description, a made for TV movie about a creepy nerdy boy named Ronald who gets himself in over his head when he kills a little girl in the neighborhood.

Wait, wait. He's a killer, the kid. So he.

Oh, you didn't say he was murdered. You buried the lead, literally. Sorry, I couldn't remember you. So you thought bad Ronald was just bad Ronald because he was hanging out in a wall. Yes.

He killed somebody. You're terrible. It's a technicality. What if you wrote for the old TV guy and you're constantly leaving out important information? Psycho, a woman goes looking for a good motel, has some difficulties. Shower interrupted. Yeah, shower interrupted. Oh, I guess the pressure wasn't good enough. And she got out and took a bath and instead.

Yeah, I forgot to mention her. OK, well anyway, Broms the boy check it out and boy in the wall.

What's that movie called Ronald Khanum. You wouldn't be good at writing horror movies. You know what? When I write a horror movie, I always think it's funny.

If it devolves into legal squabbling, I always want like the zombie to come in. But then they're like, well, wait a minute. Did the zombie asked to come in? No. And then suddenly you see the zombie and the person who was the victim talking to a judge. And the judge is like, listen, you did not you came in, you entered illegally. That was an illegal entrance in the zombie has like it's its jaws kind of kind of falling off.

And he's like, no, it's just I wanted to eat brains, you know, you want to eat brains.

You should wait until Mr. Anderson leaves the house. I just went to news. Yeah, I know. But when you put your hand through his door and when you actually entered the house illegally, so I find for the plaintiff and then he's like, you have to pay for a new door.

How much you think the door was worth?

And then the defense, the plaintiff is going to say, like, I think I need eight hundred dollars for that is it wasn't it wasn't even a good door.

He went right through it. A door that is mahogany, that is African mahogany, that was a beautiful door, there's an African mahogany, there was my hair went right through bang, bang, bang, bang, 808 hundred dollars. This is bullshit. And then his jaw completely falls off. So we can't talk anymore. And the judge is like, we can't understand you, sir. Just pick up your jaw, reattach it, and then you can maybe make your case.

Zombie movies interrupted evolve into long legal squabbles. Oh, that's the genre I'm going to spearhead on my new network called Nobody Likes It.

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