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If you're like us, your cherished childhood memories include staying up late at sleepovers with your friends, watching the scariest movie you guys could find. Bonus points if one of you definitely was not allowed to watch it, there's always that friend.


But no matter which friend you were, the horror would have you jumping at shadows on your way to get more snacks from the kitchen and quaking in your sleeping bag in case the killer came for you.


But the next morning, you all woke up, had pancakes and claimed you weren't scared at all because it wasn't real and you were right. Sort of. Today we're looking at the top ten eighties horror movie killers and comparing them to real life crimes.


Just because this week's crimes were invented by Hollywood doesn't mean they weren't at least a little inspired by true events. So what's more horrifying, truth or fiction? Hey, all you weirdo's, welcome to Crime Countdown, a Spotify original from podcast, I'm Ash and Emelina. Every week will highlight 10 fascinating stories of history's most engaging and unsettling crimes all picked up by the podcast Research Gods.


This episode we're counting down the top 10 80s horror movie killers.


Horror movies have been, as you know, yes, a fixture of my life since I was way too young to even appreciate or enjoy them. I have older brothers and sisters, so of course it happened. But now I'm still the same way.


I always pick a horror movie over a rom com any day of the week. Yeah, you hate rom coms.


Yeah, I do, because Allena babysat me like every single weekend. Basically, I also was raised on horror and I do love it, but I have a very specific horror movie taste. You do. I like to go for the tamer ones. I'm really more of like a thriller girl.


You do. You love thrillers, psychological ones. I don't know a lot of the movies on this list. I don't know a lot. I don't know. No, I.


Well, growing up in the 80s, we were given some of the greatest slasher flicks ever created. What do you mean we. You're like an old lady, right?


I think I was born in the most iconic area. If you asked me because Scream came out in 96. All right.


You know what? That's fair. But you were also a fetus and unable to properly enjoy it at all. That's very true at all. I however, it was 10 years old in nineteen ninety six and I was watching it at 10 years old. Probably shouldn't have it but was it's a good movie.


I think I saw it for the first time when I was like 11. Yeah. Way too young but I did it. It's fine and look I'm fine. Me it and actually you know that I'm thinking about it.


I feel like you're not going to have as deep appreciation for most of the movies on this list as I will.


No, I'm serious. I think I've only seen one movie on my side of the list. That's hilarious. But I mean, I guess I'll see if I've seen any on your side because, you know, that's how this whole thing goes.


Elayna has five eighties horror flicks and so do I, but neither of us knows whose list is going to be covered. And the most like corn syrup, blood, corn syrup, blood.


Let's start the countdown.


I'll start us off with number 10, Connell Cochrane from 1980 to Halloween, three season of the Witch, I want to sing not so bad. So basically, Cochrane's sells Halloween masks and then uses an ancient witchcraft ritual to activate pieces of Stonehenge implanted in the masks that kill the children wearing them when watching a specific TV commercial points for a creative murder weapon.


I guess it's so convoluted and amazing. It really is. I was like hard to get through. Once you bring Stonehenge into it, I'm there. You're out here while I'm here. All right. Well, surprise, Michael Meyers is not the villain of this movie, but there's a commercial for the first Halloween that appears in this movie. Oh, yeah.


Isn't that kind of fun? Because I remember watching this. So that means the first two films in the franchise are treated as fictional within this world of Halloween. Three. That's kind of cool. Like I hated this, but it's cool stuff. I like what they were trying to do. I like the idea you actually see a kid get killed in the movie, which is pretty fucked up, Wolf, especially during the 80s. Yeah, not awesome.


So the film offers commentary on consumerism and advertising. It sounds reminiscent of Suzanne and Michael Bare Carson from our Fatal Romance episode. Oh, yeah. Remember that.


Yes, they were the self-described witch hunters. I remember them. They were convicted of three murders in the early 80s for killing friends who they thought were witches using mind control. And they had to be stopped. Same exact thing.


I mean, apples and apples. It is. I think it's apples and oranges. Actually, Halloween three did not go over well with critics or audiences. So the anthology idea was put to a stop immediately. And Michael Meyers came back and Halloween for, thank goodness, back to normal.


Nine at number nine is Chuckie from Child's Play in nineteen eighty eight, child's play begins when serial killer Charles Lee Ray is shot and bleeding out. But just before he dies, he uses a black magic ritual to transfer his soul from his human body into a good guy doll. This is the first time that anybody's ever explains, like, how Chucky works for me. I love that you didn't know the origin story of Jack. No one. I've never seen the movie.


That's awesome. Did you just think it was like possessed all by like. Yeah, nothing. I thought it was like just evil. Well, I thought it was like Annabell or something. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I can see that. That's awesome though. Yeah. See Child's play was one of the first ones I remember because I walked in on my brother and my older boy cousins watching it shout out to Tim and Dan and JP at my grandparents house.


And I just sat there. I stood behind them and watched it and none of them stopped me. And then it ruined me four years after that.


I've never seen it, but I know that you should not have seen it that young. Yeah, it's horrifying to a kid, the movie.


And I think the reason for that is the movie turns something innocent into something completely terrifying.


Kind of like when John Wayne Gacy turned a clown into a horrifying symbol, even though I don't think he was the first one to mess clowns up for everyone.


I was going to say, I think some people did clowns, but like majority is like, nah, they were already majority rules.


They made them scarier. The foul mouthed, murderous Chucky begins to wreak havoc. And everyone thinks that his young owner, Indy, like the little boy who's so cute, is just making this all up. And some of them are like, you have serious issues and we need to get you to a doctor.


Oh, they're actually worried about how a little indie, which, of course, most adults would say that if a kid came up and was like, my doll is possessed by a Real-Life serial killer and it's trying to kill people, I just had a moment.


Maybe this is like Toy Story used Chucky and made it Disney if and I'm sorry, with the fact that. Wow, wow.


Well, Chucky lures people into situations to kill, which is kind of like Ted Bundy and not like Toy Story.


Not like Toy Story. I don't remember Woody ever luring someone into kill them.


But no, you know, he sets traps like turning on the gas stove and he mostly just uses things to stab his victims, you know, kid stuff. Yeah.


Chucky is based on 80s toy crazes like Cabbage Patch Kid Dolls and my buddy dolls, which I totally remember near the end of my life.


Listening right now will remember that my buddy it's a my buddy doll surahs. Yeah, no, because it's a good guy doll and Chucky, it's like the same thing. Cute. It's also possibly inspired by real life haunted dolls like Robert the doll scariest haunted doll story I've ever heard of.


That story is he was a cannibal so scared to sleep. He really does like literally puts her just straight out like Robert will put you to sleep. Yeah, I don't even want to talk more about it. Yeah, no, sorry, Robert.


Eight. Number eight on our countdown of top 10 80s horror movie killers are the zombies from nineteen eighty five's The Return of the Living Dead.


Yes, a character in this movie is a conspiracy theorist who believes zombies are real and then they do become real when a toxic gas hidden by the government reanimates a bunch of dead people who immediately start killing and eating people.


I mean, this could happen. I've never seen this one. This could happen. I know you have. This one could happen. I feel this one might be happening. It's happening right now.


So there are flesh eating zombies who tear apart 80s punk kids left and right here in America.


You're not so punk now, are you? It gives off some Dalmar vibes who was not only a cannibal, but tried to turn one of his victims into a real life zombie. Oh, that's a very strong connecting thread there, Woop. There it is. The movie features a zombie who somewhat smart and lures the victims to the basement so he can finally feast on some brains.


Good for him again, Dummer. Is that you? Knock, knock. Who's there? Jeffrey Dahmer. It's Jeffrey. Hi. Worst first day on the job ever depicted in film. The character Freddy's new job is in the warehouse where they keep the toxic gas that makes the zombies. Wow.


Like, imagine you stroll up to work on your first day and you're like, oh, cool. Like, what's that over there? And they're like, oh, that makes the zombies. Oh, that's just zombie making gas. Don't touch it.


Don't worry about it. Don't breathe near there. To that I say see our episode of JFK Assassination theories where it's speculated the new Secret Service agent accidentally shot the president.


That's a really bad first day that might take the cat does essentially the movie admits right at the beginning, but they're kind of ripping off George Romero, who is the zombie movie master. At least they admit it. That's true.


Seven. At number seven this week is Henry from Henry Portrait of a serial killer in 1986, actor Michael Rooker plays a serial killer named Henry, who is loosely based on the may be true story of real life serial killer Henry Lee Lucas, who was convicted of 11 murders but also confessed to hundreds. A straight up conundrum of a man, Henry Lee Lucas, is so gross. Yeah, I should say of a monster, not a man. He is a monster.


The movie uses Henry Lee Lucas and his real life killing counterparts in real gross human being, Ottis Tool. They use them as jumping off points. Ottis Tool is actually probably most famous for the alleged murder of Adam Walsh.


He is, but I don't think he did it. I go back and forth, I don't know, because they lied so much about how many murders they committed that I can't believe them.


The film was initially given an X rating, which would have obviously heard it at the box office.


So it just went unrated instead. Oh, wow. The AV club describes it as, quote, Henry isn't all that gory, especially by today's standards, but it's genuinely upsetting in a way that no previous movie about a murder had been and that very few such movies have been since. And you know what? That is 100 percent true is that it is such a disturbing movie.


This one sounds pretty good. You would hate it. Cool. Yeah.


Let's not add that to my list. I know that many point out that Michael Rooker's portrayal of Henry is so terrifying because he stalks and kills like it's any other mundane activity that we don't even think twice about is like realistic.


Yeah, he just treats it so casually and he's so good at it. The actor. So good method acting perhaps. I hope not.


I know. Oh, no, I'm kidding.


It has a shockingly bleak ending even for a movie about a serial killer. We don't want to give away the details, but just know it's extremely disturbing. After this, you have to tell me how it ends. I'm a so I don't have to watch it, but I can know how to go.


Also on our list, at number six, the demons from the evil dead and evil tied to the Evil Dead follows a group of friends to a cabin in the woods where they accidentally invoke some demons after reading from a Samarian Book of the Dead and playing a tape of the incantations as you do as each of Ashley Ash Williams's friends, including his sister, are possessed, they must be killed.


Fun weekend, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Evil Dead is known for its then unprecedented amount of gawd. Oh yeah. Evil Dead two follows a really similar plot with Bruce Campbell reprising his role as ash and invoking demons at a remote cabin in the woods. I hate when you accidentally summon demons. I have actually never done that. Luckily, it's tough. I hope it doesn't happen. A tough situation. Also side note, Cabin in the Woods is a great movie.


Oh, such a good move. We're talking about movies, not from the 80s.


Anyways, fans debated for years whether it was technically a sequel or a remake. And star Bruce Campbell tried to clarify that Evil Dead two is a sequel. Love that. I love that right. Somewhere between a remake and a sequel.


You're really not helping us out here, dude. No, he's not really. He's like he's pleasing everybody. He's being devil's advocate. He is. So we've covered a lot of true crimes where someone is killed because they were believed to be possessed or the Antichrist or whatever you are, that old chestnut, you know, it's a bit of a twist on the real life devil made me do it. Defense. If you summon the devil, can you really blame him?


No, I don't think so.


There's so many good ones on here right now, I have one that you're going to flip out over.


I'm very excited, but Evil Dead, I was waiting for that because I didn't have it on my mind. And I was like, hello, I feel like everyone's going to be really mad at me after this episode. Sure. I haven't seen it. I have not seen it. I'm a nine. Really? And it's your namesake.


I know he is the man's version of me, the male I. I'm excited.


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Five. Let's jump back in with number five on our countdown of 80s horror movie killers starting off the second half of our list. David from an American Werewolf in London in 1981. The basic plot is that David is backpacking through England with his friend Jack. When they're both attacked by a werewolf. Jack dies. David lives on. But now, as a werewolf, Jack appears in visions to David, telling him to kill himself, to save others. But David doesn't listen.


This sounds like that old, like folklore thing about the werewolf that terrorizes a town and he has a belt made of human flesh. Yeah, it sounds just like that. I mean, it does.


So whatever. Whatever, whatever. Well, David kind of sucks in the movie because Jack spells things out pretty clearly to him.


He's like, hello, here is your manual, Pirika.


And David does go on to kill a few people on his first night out as a werewolf. So he does suck. Yeah.


Because his friend Jack is like, you're going to kill a lot of people, you should kill yourself. And he's like, no. And then he just goes and kills a bunch of people. And it's like, huh. The werewolf transformation scene is pretty unforgettable and legendary. It really is. I'll have to show you a clip of it. It's really good. Yeah, I was going to say this film one Rick Baker, the Academy Award for Best Makeup, the first time that category was ever awarded competitively.


Oh, that's also good for him. Good for Rick Baker collapse. The actor who played David in the film said that when he met Baker and told him he was playing the werewolf, Baker said, I feel sorry for you.




Because the makeup must have been gnarly. I know this must have been so long, Anderson. Heavy.


I feel like I would feel so constricted. Yeah, and it's a transformation, too. So you have to go through several different stages of makeup.


Yeah. So, yeah, I feel sorry for you too.


It reminds me of our Creepy Cannibals episode with Peter Stomp, like you said, the werewolf of Bredberg, also Fritz Harmon and Mikol Pop to see. I told you you were right there and being right. Peter Stump the devil allegedly gave Stump a wolf pelt belt, like I said. Oh, Pell-mell, remember. Yeah. Oh well, I was just like a human flesh felt, you know, it's the same thing you were thinking I was where you had Gene on the brain.


It's I don't want to admit to that, don't we.


All all the time I understand study genin was is dedicated. It wasn't a human flesh felt it was a well felt built. Yes. And this wolf felt built, gave him and gave him an excuse to murder and eat people you know, how well do you would think that it would make something awesome happened. But it doesn't make a wolf one stump or the belt. You would assume the likeness of a ravenous wolf, then removing the belt, he would suddenly be human again.


So much easier.


So really, werewolf movies are about cannibals that we can digest because the killers are temporary animals. By the way, that pun was intended to digest. I was going to say that you do this. You.


For. Landing at number four this week is the vampire crew from the Lost Boys in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah, one of my all time favorites. Oh, the best. Seriously, brothers Michael and Sam moved with their mom to Santa Carla, California, after her divorce.


There they end up on two different sides, Michael with the vampires and Sam with the vampire hunters. Sam and the Hunters try to save Michael before he completely becomes a vampire, which will happen if he kills someone I'm calling it right now. I would be on the vampire side in a hot second. I feel like I would, too. I'm not trying to hunt any vampire, so I'm trying to become one. You know what? If you can't beat them, join them, definitely join them.


So the title refers to the Lost Boys in Peter Pan, who, like the Undead Vampire gang, remain forever young. A quote from The Guardian said, The Lost Boys and It's Artless Way asks us to consider that being forever young isn't a sweet Edwardian evocation of innocence, but a vision of pure hell like vampirism.


Poetry snaps. I don't think it's a vision of pure hell.


I think it looks like a lot of it looks like a vision of all. I want to live in that little cave. It looks awesome. And like with the big our Dawson poster on the wall, it's incredible.


Yeah, there's actually a ton of real life serial killers who were called vampires. You've got the vampire of Sacramento, Richard Chase, and you have the Vampire of Duesseldorf, Peter Curtin.


So those are rough ones.


He was a German born killer, Peter Curtin. And around the early nineteen hundreds, he drank the blood from some of his victims after he killed them. Very vampire, disgusting. Richard Chase was active in the late 70s. So really right around the time these movies came out.


Oh, yeah. He was a grotesque cannibal who also drank the victim's blood. So the Lost Boys focused on being part of a group and group structure with a wicked twist of would you kill to belong? That's a hard question to answer.


I think we both said we would, which I was just going to say I want to say no now. But I feel like we opened this by being like, yes, we would.


Yeah, there's no turning back. I'm so sorry. So sorry. And the perfect last line, there's one thing about living in Santa Carla I never could stomach all day. Vampires. Yes. Is he on he's on a lawnmower. No, he's in a car. Yeah, he's on his big car. That's like doo doo doo doo. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But then he crashes through. Yeah, well, guys, that must be good.


Let's go back to 1980 for number three on our countdown of 80s horror movie killers, Jack Torrance from The Shining.


Struggling writer Jack brings his wife, Wendy and son Danny to the Overlook Hotel that's been closed for the winter.


Danny has a special gift called The Shining, where he can sense evil things. Haunting, good. Yeah, honestly, I'd want him around. I was going to say that's a great gift. I mean, it's a burden, but a gift, also a fun fact.


I've been to the Stanley Hotel. You have recently to Soquel.


Well, obviously one of the best movies of all time, let alone best horror movies. But have you ever thought about how Jack only kills one person? Because I've never seen it.


Oh, I'm sorry. So you haven't thought about it, but everybody else. Have you thought about it? You have. I heard you. It still makes him a classic villain. Charlie Manson, as far as we know. And our Agnos never killed anyone.


That's not true. He did kill someone, maybe one and is one of the scariest people in true crime history. That's true. It doesn't take a big body count. It just takes flair.


It just takes a crazed man right hair where, you know, Director Stanley Kubrick might have felt that somebody had to get murdered if this was a horror film.


So the character Dick Halloran is killed by Jack in the movie, but not the Stephen King novel.


And wasn't Stephen King pissed about this movie? This movie is not at all the novel at all. Right. At all right.


And Stephen King did not like this movie. I think when I listen to an interview with him with like Eli Roth, I think, yeah, he compared it to something like a beautiful Cadillac without an engine. Did he say she was screaming? Yeah, he said that Wendy in the movie was like a dish rag that screamed or something.


All that, because it kind of was when you think about covering true crime, there are always images that you think of, like Aileen Wuornos pulling her hair back in court.


Well, this movie has iconic images like that. And I think even when you haven't seen the movie, you've seen those images.


Here's Johnny. Here's Johnny, specifically, Jack Nicholson's face pushing through the door after he's axed a hole into it. And here he is. And you know what? Our nephew was him for Halloween once, and he had the door on his head.


I forgot about it. Great. Just like real crimes.


This movie is surrounded by a lot of conspiracy theories which get explored in the documentary Room 237.


This included the idea that Kubrick had clues proving that he directed the faked moon landing in 1969.


OK, not to unpack there. I was like, I don't have anything to say.


I was going to say the same thing, The New York Times says in a review of Room two. Thirty seven, three decades on, scholars and fans are still trying to decipher this puzzle of a film directed by Stanley Kubrick.


So no clear motive. All righty, then. I figured The Shining had to be on here. Oh, 100 percent, I was so happy to get the Lost Boys, the Lost Boys. I mean, that's it's so great.


It stands the test of time and has a great soundtrack. And I'm going to go home and watch it tonight. I was just going to say I want to watch it so badly.


And he actually loves that movie, too. So let's go. Who doesn't love that movie? I don't know. Well, we've got two movies left. Maybe I'll have to add them to my list. It better be the two that I'm thinking of.


To. We're down to the final two spots in our countdown of 80s horror movie killers at number two, Jason, from Friday the 13th, Part two, 1981 and onward, it has to be part two because it was the moon first.


You know, you really only Thunder 80s belonged to Jason Voorhees. It certainly did. A literal teenage killer in a hockey mask, just working out his revenge, working through it. The first film grossed nearly 40 million dollars in the US after costing only about half a million. It's no surprise that multiple sequels turned out, oh, yeah, bring him to me. I've seen Freddy vs. Jason.


Yes, but we're actually on Friday, we're going to see. Oh, yeah, we are the crew. Right. OK, we say, Jason, from Friday the 13th, Part two and onward because he was not the killer in the first one. Jason's mom, like you said and I spoke to Mrs. Voorhees, was the killer in the original Friday the 13th, which when it comes to crazy killer mom, she is clearly at the top of the list.


She was just trying to avenge her son. And actually, I think that's the question that Drew Barrymore gets wrong in screen. She does. She says, Jason, Jason, it was Jason. He says wrong. It was his mother. This was the original killer. Jason didn't show up until the sequel. Yes. That's a direct quote. I'm afraid that's a wrong.


It could keep going. Wow. OK, anyways, back to this movie. The Jason School Entrance is great. The film picks up with the first one's final girl, finding Miss Voorhees severed head just before Jason kills her. One of the best entrances, stylish. Jason wears a burlap sack and part two and he gets his iconic hockey mask in part three, which was released in nineteen eighty two, which was also filmed in 3D because it was the nineteen eighties, of course.


And why not. I wonder if we'll get 3D glasses when we go see it now would be amazing. I can't wait Jason. With the mask and the way he walks around forcefully towards his victim honestly has serious Zodiac killer. Bob does. It's like a stalking. It is. And it's only amplified by the fact that they both generally attack teenage couples in some sort of romantic situation. It's true. They do have a pension for that. Jason uses a variety of murder weapons like an ice pick, pitchfork, knitting needles, a machete, really just any old pointy tool will do.


He does. He loves this pointy tools. He does by the end of the decade, there were a total of eight films in the Friday the 13th franchise up through Jason takes Manhattan like seriously. Jason takes my name. He's a working guy. I love it. But it's not as bad as Jason in space. I haven't seen that and I refused to see it. I also have a machete from the Friday 13th films and John got it for me for like Christmas.


Yeah, it's in the living room. I've seen a few pictures and the mask I love.


One. And that brings us to number one on our countdown of the top 10 80s horror movie killers, Freddy Krueger from A Nightmare on Elm Street in 1984.


There were also four sequels before the end of the decade. The Nightmare on Elm Street franchise follows the dead kid killer, Freddy Krueger, who was murdered by the parents of his victims. But his ghost finds a way to terrorize and kill even more victims via their dreams. Is it wrong that I love Freddy Krueger? Oh, no. Freddy Krueger is like my favorite.


He's the best. I feel he's amazing and it's awful because in reality, he's supposed to be like a child molester and killer. Oh, I forgot all about him. It's like this weird.


You know what it is only can happen in horror movie. Freddy is the king of a clap back. He is. He's got wit. Boom, he's got wit. Now, Kraven got the idea for the movie from a true story in the L.A. Times.


Oh, no. The mystery was about a family that escaped Cambodia only for their son to be tortured by nightmares.


Oh, the kid told his parents he was afraid to sleep and would stay awake as long as he could. One night they heard him screaming while finally sleeping and he died in his sleep. And that is never a story. I never knew that. Yeah, that's where Wes Craven got it. Wow, isn't that terrifying? Wes Craven is like a god of souls.


Wes Craven, pretty serious. I was a terrible day for the character. Freddy Craven told Vulture he couldn't find the right actor. Everyone was too quiet, too compassionate towards children.


Oh, dear. And here comes Robert England.


Like I don't give a crap about kids, but the character Freddy was brought to life by actor Robert England, who appeared in the role in a total of eight films and is I call the best, the absolute best.


And when he shows up again, an urban legend years later, another great film. You didn't know he was an urban legend? No, professor, I never knew that.


You're immediately like, Oh, my God, no way. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty awesome. There's a little Easter egg for you. There's some true crime killers that attack children that we've covered. And this would be the cinematic version of their disgusting personas.


I really would. But it makes it a little more palatable, I suppose, because he's funny, I guess, I suppose. And he's like supernatural. So it takes away a lot of it for us at least.


But that's what makes him frightening as well. He hurts kids. He's not really this tangible human. And you can't stop him from getting in your head, literally.


And that is messed up. It's one of those things where you're not safe, awake and you're not safe asleep. So it's where do you go? It's the innocence of sleeping. Sure. Just like the innocence of a doll. And Chuckie. There you go.


Pathetic. The right one got no one oh one hundred thousand million percent, it had to be Freddi, it was a Freddy and Jason toss up and Jason's always got to have just inches above.


Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah. Freddy versus Jason. Freddy wins. If you haven't seen that, watch it. It's hilarious. Selena showed that to me, I think, last year. Yeah. It's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. It really is. Go watch it. It's enjoyable. Well, thanks for listening.


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