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Huge. Thank you to Helen Rapporteur for rampaging through the fall of the Romanoff's with us. And one hundred years ago at the moment, Russia and Eastern Europe were still undergoing the trauma of that revolution. The upheavals would continue well, arguably to the present day hasn't been an easy ride the last hundred years of Russian history. Let's be honest. So enjoy this podcast. If you want to get more podcasts about Russian history, you got quite a lot on history hit TV.

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It's sort of at the top.

Well, it was very autocratic, antiquated system dominated obviously by the czar at the top who ruled by the divine right of stars, much like divine right of kings here, backed up by an enormous Byzantine, corrupt and inefficient bureaucracy. And the other wing to the size power, I guess, was the army. But the czar wielded unchallenged power. He was an absolute autocrat, and that was something that Nicolas inherited from his father. This sense of inviolability, the czar being right, the czar being in control.

So it was a very, very controlled system of government in the sense that there was little or no democratic rights anywhere for anyone.

So you've got the autocrat, you've got the sort of power being focused in the body of one human who thinks he's been put there by God, does he?

Yeah. Nicholas implicitly believed in his divine right as all, even though he'd been unprepared to be so. Of course, when he became czar in 1894, his father died suddenly and quite young at the age of 46. Nicholas hadn't done the groundwork for the job he was taking on and he was petrified. Actually, he was really very frightened and apprehensive when he became czar because he didn't feel up to the job. I don't think Nicholas ever felt up to the job.

He was well meaning, well intentioned. He did his best, but it was just a monstrous job to take on controlling such an enormous country with so many different races, religions, you know, it's it was fast. How could one man be in charge of all that?

Until the First World War came along and really finished him off? Things were pretty shaky anyway, right? There were revolutions and riots, shaky, not shaky.

You see, the perception is that, oh, Russia was going down the pan and it was all catastrophic and there was inevitable a revolution on the cards. Yes. In that sense, politically. But in another sense, economically, Russia actually was beginning to turn the corner after the disaster of the war against Japan in 1945. They had to recover from that, which was a terrible, useless, senseless war. But after about nineteen eighty seven, Russia really did start making strides economically, building the Trans-Siberian railway, you know, improving the economy.

And it was on the way to being something of an industrial powerhouse. But of course, the war changed all that.

Yes. Let's talk about the First World War. We won't go into the start of the first war. That's a whole different topic.

But Russia gets involved, except the Nicholas was terribly reluctant. Nicholas was not a war monger. He did not want to enter that war. He was very reluctant to declare war, but he felt duty bound to defend the Russian Orthodox Christians within the empire during that war and also to some. But he was very loyal to his allies. He was very loyal to his British allies.

And little Serbia is a key Russian ally, same religion, similar language. They got effectively started on by the Australian gerrand empire. So so Nicholas got involved. What effect did the what did the war go well for Russia?

No, not at all. You see, you have to remember with Russia being such a vast country that the army was I mean, the rank and file of the army was conscripts, largely peasant conscripts. So illiterate young men from rural Russia peasant class who were very reluctant in the first place to be conscripted. And they were led by some pretty awful, inefficient generals who got their jobs through connections to the Romanoff family or personal influence, bribery and corruption, you name it.

So the Russian army was poorly led. And unfortunately, Nicholas made the mistake after some really bad losses in Galizia and some setbacks in the first sort of eighteen months or so. He was persuaded that the only thing he could do was take over command of the army. So he pushed out his quite competent uncle, Nicholas Granda Nikolai, who was a C and C, and took over command of the Army. And of course, the rot set in from that point, because the minute Nicholas took over command of the army, he also left Petrograd and he was no longer around to keep an eye on what was.

There, but it was a disaster, although having said that wasn't a disaster, although the army was poorly equipped and suffering terrible losses and desertions wasn't a disaster, was the figurehead of the czar at the front with his son, that Tsarevich. So they were much loved and respected by the peasant army. You know, that sort of the little father of Russia presence was a positive. And they did love the young Tsarevich, you know, trotting around in his little mini me uniform like his dad.

So that was a positive Nicolelis presence in terms of the grassroots of the army. But by then the army had suffered such losses and terrible malfunctioning supply lines, you know, soldiers literally without boots, without ammunition and the whole thing just totally fell apart.

You say it fell apart. Was that opposition in Russia were there on the ground groups working to destabilize the monarchy or did it just collapsed because of the war and its own failings?

There are two sides to this story. There is the fact that the underground revolutionary movement had been going in Russia since they assassinated Alexander the second in the 1980s. It was becoming more and more of a visible presence, more and more different dissident groups becoming more active, agent provocateurs stirring up strikes and revolts and shutdowns. So they were becoming a much more visible presence. But one of the major reasons, I think, for the breakdown in Petrograd was hunger, famine, lack of food, because most of the food was being diverted to the army at the front and literally the Russian people were starving.

So what really triggered the breakdown of public order in Petrograd initially was not political. It was women going out on International Women's Day marching with banners saying, feed our children, we need bread. So it was bread riots. Really, it's a bit like this, you know, 1799 when the women marched on their side demanding food, demanding bread. Hunger is a powerful trigger in revolution. It's the basic instinct. People were hungry. They're going to protest.

So the war is going badly. The state is falling apart. People are protesting. Take me through what happened next.

This is the issue. Nicolas is the way at the front. He's not getting accurate reports of what really was going down in Petrograd. Why was that? Well, because his wife Alexandra underplayed it all. She basically thought it was a few hostile, angry revolutionaries stirring up popular dissent and that once the weather got colder, they'd all go home and shut up. So first and foremost, he was also not given proper intelligence by his own ministers. Impacter got not told the truth of how serious the situation was becoming.

So he stayed at the front over in Belarus at Magaly off and thought everything was under control. Meanwhile, of course, his wife is out at the Alexander Palace with five children, all sick with measles and telling him it's all right. You know, they'll get over it. Everything's fine. Nothing serious is going to happen. Meanwhile, resentment against Alexander, of course, was very profound by 1917 because rightly or wrongly, the popular perception of her was that she was a German spy because she was born in Hesser.

Of course, she was a German at that. She was colluding with Rasputin in the downfall of Russia. And then there was this terrible, terrible character assassination going on and of her Rasputin as being the architects of Russia's doom and downfall. So there was chaos in every direction. Everywhere you looked, the whole system was falling apart. This terrible atmosphere of mistrust behind the scenes even of Alexander and her wise guru, Rasputin, and he was a guru to her.

The Romanoff family had been plotting to get rid of Rasputin because they saw him as a malign influence. And in fact, he reached the point where Alexander's Romanoff relatives were saying, well, you know, we have shut her up in a in a monastery somewhere because she's causing so much damage.

She did cause a lot of damage because she was wrong about those riots. They kept going. They kept getting worse. Tell me, how did things reach a head?

Well, that was a week of popular protests. And what I I do love having studied the Russian Revolution for my book, Caught in the Revolution is the fact that the real sense of revolution in the true sense of that word to me is February. I completely dismiss October as a genuine revolution. It wasn't it was a coup. It was a very simple, straightforward Bolshevik coup. The real. Grassroots popular revolt of people getting on the streets, mothers, women, people across all the professions in Russia, you know, it wasn't just grassroots workers and and lower class people.

You know, even people from the moneyed classes were out there protesting. And it was protests about lack of food, lack of democratic rights, workers rights, housing, you name it. And there was a whole week where day in, day out, people got out on the streets and they marched and they had meetings and they protested. And that really for me, was the people's revolution of February, which was completely and utterly betrayed by October.

Well, we'll come on to the October revolution in a second. But after this week of marching, what happens? The czar abdicated. He was, of course, away at military HQ. He was persuaded by two deputies from the Duma who went out there and said to him, look, you've got to abdicate for the sake of the country. It's all falling apart. And also, the other thing to bear in mind is that they pressured Nicholas over that, bearing in mind that the Russian army was in disarray, very high desertion rate.

The morale was incredibly low. And they basically said to him, you know, you've got to keep Russia in the war. You've got to keep the war effort going. If you stand down, things might stabilize. So for the good of Russia and I have to say, Nicholas, in many ways was a good man, a very good man, he abdicated. And many historians now are arguing that he was absolutely tricked into abdicating for what he thought was the good of Russia.

And ultimately, of course, it wasn't. It was something far, far worse. And Sarrazin, by the time he abdicated, Alexander and the children, had been put under house arrest at the Alexander Palace, 15 miles out of Petrograd at Sarkozy law. She was now utterly trapped. Of course, the children were too sick to be moved. So a provisional government was set up and Nicholas was brought back by train and put under house arrest with his family.

A provisional government was established to try and kind of gain a hold on the situation and introduce some kind of collaborative, democratic kind of government, interim government, until they could have proper elections to a constituent assembly. So it was very, very volatile situation, very tenuous, lots of different rival factions and groups waiting for the movement to try and seize control. So it was an extremely unstable period from March through to October. And in fact, in July, the Lenin and the Bolsheviks had plotted to try and stir up more protests and seize power then.

But it was defused and they failed. So the provisional government jobs are gone from bad to worse, basically.

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You mentioned Lenin and the Bolsheviks. Tell me, who are they? The origins of Lenin's political party is the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party, which was a revolutionary party founded in 1898 in Minsk by Lenin and a group of half a dozen friends, most notably a friend called marched off. Now Lenin and his friend, and they were good friends here, Martok. They've been in exile together. They suffered the same persecution and repressions. Lenin and marched off had this sort of uneasy alliance within the RCD LP for a while.

But as time went on, it became increasingly clear that Lenin had a very different agenda, a very extremist, cold blooded, controlling Jacobin French revolutionary type agenda. Whereas Marto had a more liberal all-embracing idea of what kind of party they should be at the head of. So by 1933, there was a big, big split between Lenin's group who wanted to create a hard line controlling elite of the the best brains in the party to keep tight control over the plans to to get a revolution achieved.

So they had a big split at a conference which was held in secret in Brussels and also in London in 1933, the party split. The hardliners with Lenin were known as the Bolsheviks for the majority. So Bolshevik means the bigger the bigger part, the majority and Mensheviks group were the Mensheviks ie the minority. And those are the two fundamental groups that diverged. And under Lenin, the Bolsheviks became more and more hard line. And they eventually, you know, were the ones who plotted the revolution in October and took over in October.

All these exiles, they've been living abroad. They all rushed back to Russia and they spent the summer months of 1917 just sort of making trouble plotting against each other, making trouble. And meanwhile, of course, the Russian population are starving and it's utter chaos. What was extraordinary, reading and researching my book on the Petrograd in 1917 was how many of the foreigners who are trapped there. And there were a lot of foreigners stuck there. How they observed this complete collapse of society and the people running around, you know, robbing and killing and shooting.

And it was very it became very violent.

And the provisional government, the kind of temporary government that had been was just unable to get a grip on Russia.

Absolutely couldn't. One of the main problems they couldn't get a grip was they were led eventually. I mean, he began off as minister of finance, I think a minister of justice. That was Alexander Karinski, who eventually became prime minister. He basically his fatal flaw was that he wanted to keep a foot in both camps, so he wanted to keep a foot in the more liberal remnants of the old guard who were running the provisional government. But there was now a very powerful rival faction, of course, which were the Petrograd Soviet of workers, deputies set up by the hardline revolutionaries who supported the Bolsheviks.

So he had actually a seat in both bodies, but he couldn't there was no way you could bring those two extremes together. And so really, it was all down to the Petrograd Soviet calling the shots and eventually taking over and so had.

And that's the Petrograd. Soviet Petrograd is the capital of Russia. The is like an alternative parliament just just made up of working people in the Petrograd. Soviet was comprised of revolutionaries from the factories, plus remnants of the Army and Navy who are hard line revolutionaries. They had another Soviet in Moscow. So this was like a revolutionary council or committee in opposition to the more liberally minded provisional government. And they just gave them constant Gipp and aggravation the whole time.

Because basically the problem with the Petrograd Soviet was because it was comprised of workers, they had the power because they controlled the railways, they controlled industry. And, you know, they could basically cripple things.

And so Lenin and his Bolsheviks, how do they seize power? They walked in effectively. I mean, one of the biggest lies in history is Eisenstein's film of the storming of the Winter Palace. And I'm sure even students may have seen shots of it. That famous scene where all these workers brandishing guns climb over the gates of the Winter Palace and rush in and take the Winter Palace. By October, the provisional government was in such disarray. The next thing you know, Kerensky Hotfoot set out.

Saves his own skin and the Bolsheviks literally, by the time they walked into the winter, pilots were the only guards that had there were a few Army cadets and a few women members of the women's death battalion. There was no resistance. They practically what I think about five people died when the Winter Palace was taken. And then the minute they got in, what did they do? They proceeded to raid the Winter Palace wine cellars and get drunk beyond description.

So that's revolution. It wasn't a pretty revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution. It was just a walkover. And most by by the time they walked in, many members of the provisional government, of course, some had run for cover. Others were immediately arrested, some were murdered. Karinski got out and it was a complete walkover.

But how do we consolidate power? They've seized the kind of government offices. They've seized the main former royal palaces. How do they establish a government in Russia?

Well, the way all dictatorships do through terror. Reign of terror, and this is the appalling thing when you read the eyewitnesses of Petrograd who are great February with such joy and enthusiasm, most people were delighted to see the end of terrorism because of the inequities of the system and the oppressive exploitation of the peasantry, etc.. Most people were delighted because they knew change was needed. They knew that SARS had refused to bring in democratic constitutional government and they wanted change.

And people greeted that with joy. But as time went on, and especially in October, as soon as the Bolsheviks seized power, down came the thumbscrews. Down came the iron grip of Bolshevism. And within months, weeks, I got, you know, very ardent Western Socialists writing about their horror of what happened in Russia once the Bolsheviks took over and how this great hope of a new democratic, wonderful new utopia. You know, all the foreigners who went there, John read amongst them, you know, to greet is wonderful new socialist world.

And within weeks, they're all saying, you know, not him, because he was he he was very much a useful idiot. They're all horrified at how repressive the new regime, because how do you rule? You rule by arresting people, killing people, threatening people, frightening people, driving people out of their homeland. And of course, the first thing that happened, once you get an exodus of all the cream, the best people in in the intellectual class, the aristocracy, the professions, if they're not killed or arrested, they're driven out.

And Russia lost a whole generation of the best people who would have probably been best equipped to help initiate a new and democratic form of government. But they all fled. The vast majority of them fled.

We get civil war. Just give us a sense of the scale of that war and the scale of suffering.

I first I must say that it broke Nicholas the second's heart when the Bolsheviks took Russia out of the war. He was a man of honour and to see his country let down, the allies broke his heart. And I don't think he was ever the same again. Once Russia came out of the war that, of course, there were gathering again, dissident groups fighting the Bolsheviks from day one. The largest was a fairly amorphous group called the White Russians, who were various remnants of the old provisional government, monarchists, ardent modernists, others who were just kind of republicans, but not revolutionaries who basically tried to stage a counter revolution.

And the counter revolution gathered steam pretty much in Siberia and across the Trans-Siberian railway in that part of Russia. But the problem with the white Russian counterrevolution was they were not organized. There were various groups all singing from different hymn sheets if they'd had a unified policy, unified leader. But because there were different pockets of resistance, they never were a sufficient force to defeat the Bolsheviks. So, you know, by the spring of 1919, the Bolsheviks are really consolidating their power.

And the other great thing that made a big difference, of course, Trotsky created the Red Army. And they had a massive new military force to counter the old officer class, who many remnants of the officer class were fighting with the monarchists, with the white Russians, and that, you know, they couldn't prevail because they were too disparate. The groups were to separate from each other.

Well, you mentioned the czar and the white Russians. The czar and his family were held in captivity in a remote location. The white Russians approached.

And what happened to the white Russians didn't really get Nancy Yekaterinburg. It was actually the Czechs. A lot of Czech prisoners of war have been held because they were members of the Austrian Hungarian army who had been fighting with Germany and they were released and were being transported out of Russia and and basically mutinied and turned back and joined the resistance. They joined the the white Russian counter-revolution. And they were the ones who took Yekaterinburg. And well, people say if they got there a week earlier, could they have saved the Romanoff's?

I doubt. I think the Bolsheviks would have murdered them whatever if they'd know. But they knew the city was going to fall. They knew the Czechs were approaching. And so then they planned the Romanoff murders for at least to two weeks, if not a month beforehand. So there was no chance of them ever being released. So it was all the disinformation that came out afterwards, of course, that left everyone guessing for so long about what really happened.

So the Romanoff's were taken down into a cellar by their captors and executed.

I never, ever say that word. Murdered, murdered. You have to remember, they were not put on trial. There was no judicial sentence of execution there. They had no right to appeal or have any kind of legal defense. They were murders, pure and simple. And it was a grotesque and hideously botched murder as well.

You know, the descriptions of it are completely terrifying. Just to finish off, try and give all the students listening to this a sense of the the concept. I mean, if we can, are the consequences ongoing? What were the consequences of this of this Russian revolution, of this upheaval?

Pretty grim, I would say. The trouble is, it's the old adage, you know, all revolutions ending up and eating their own children and that kind of monolith of oppression and destruction ultimately failed. And it inaugurated a terrible period of an attempt to destroy much of Russia's great cultural heritage. Look at how churches were blown up under Stalin. They drove out all the literary talent, all the intellectual talent. And I've just been writing about that in the new book I've been working on about the many, many Russian intellectuals and artists and people who fled to Paris and Berlin and elsewhere.

They drove out the cream of their intellectual elite and replaced it with this hideous dictatorship of cruelty and power and repression and censorship.

And in terms of the Soviet Union's relationships with the rest of the world through the 1920s and 30s, it was a we think of a Cold War after the First World War. But was there almost a state of Cold War even from that from the beginning of the Soviet Union?

Oh, yes, because it was pretty much shut off. The only people from the West who saw who were invited to go there were they were the fellow travellers. They were called fellow travellers, were people who were sympathetic, sympathetic with this idea of the new socialist. Well, the new communist world. The brave new world. So the only people they really allowed into Syria were people like George Bernard Shaw and Theodore Dreiser and various American journalists who were all very pro the Bolshevik takeover.

But people didn't have a real chance in the West to see the real Russia for a very long time. And it was ultimately down to the dissident movement to keep alive the truth, to get the message out through some start, which was this underground press called samizdat, where things were typed out on very, very thin tissue paper almost, and circulated in Russia during the thirties under Stalin, or most of their great poets were repressed. And Akhmatova Mandelstam.

And what happened was people remembered, they recited, they learned great chunks of Russian poetry and kept it alive, the dissident poets, by circulating it aurally underground. And the one thing I learned, too, when I was in Russia, a discussion about I asked the old lady there at the church during the commemoration ceremony on the Romanoff's, and I said, How did you keep your faith alive under Stalin? And they also we practiced our religion in secret.

We took our children in secret to be baptized. You see the one thing that Lenin never achieved and nor did his. Susses was to kill religious belief in Russia, religious faith went underground, and in the end it's bubbled up again and it's resurgent. So I think for many living through those years, their religious faith kept them going.

Well, Helen, thank you so much for that huge gallop through one of the most important events of recent history. That's very kind.

What's what's your most recent book, The Race to Save the Romanoff's? It's about how the West failed to get them out. And it wasn't all King George his fault. Let's be kind poro King George. It was an all down to him. Not by a long stretch. I've just written a book all about the Russians who fled after the revolution to Paris, and I'm now working on Mariscos biography.

So I'm back to the Crimean War now or Crunchie come on the back on the podcast and talk to us about both of those two new projects, please. Well, I'd love to. I'd love to. Thank you for asking. Thank you very much indeed. All right. Thank you.

Ivan, thanks for reaching the end of this podcast.

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