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So we are talking about your episode called The Last Weekend. If you haven't seen this yet on TV, do that first and then come back here. If you haven't heard it in the podcast form and want to, it's the episode right below this one in the list of podcasts that you can choose from. Something I learned just this morning about.

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The fourth date line in Greely, Colorado. I know. What is in the water there? Well, I feel like we're beginning to know Greely Colorado quite well, don't you? Have you done a story from Greely? No, I haven't.

I feel left out. Maybe you don't want date line visiting that many times.

It's like any other town. But things happen in every town around America or the world, for that matter.

Greely seems to be more open to.

Discussing with the.

Public what occurs in these situations. The police department is open, and we have done other.

Stories before, which tends to lead us to the next story in the queue with the next one that comes along. We know the people, we call them up. Going to Greenly is always a nice drive, and it's a pleasant place to spend a few days. I like it. One of the things, of course, about this episode is just the beauty of the area, the mountains. Exactly. Yeah. It's so stunning. The typography does play a role in this one? It does, yes. With the body being found on the mountain when Scott is first discovered, he really went out of his way, Kevin, to take Scott's body up on this mountain. Well, yes, they both did, but at whose direction? Right. The story is one which is unfortunately all too common. Everywhere you go in human society, I guess, and certainly in America, where a guy will not take no for an answer and is a controlling person. Then things happen as a result, usually bad things. In this case, bizarre bad things happen, which is why it became a story for Deadline. Okay, so I got a little confused at the end. Heather was somehow a part of this, but is.

The theory that she was coerced or that she was afraid of? You get to the central point, I think. To me, the whole lesson of this story is here was a good person.

A good woman who was trying to live a good life, who had got herself mixed up with a bad guy, and then forms a new relationship.

With this very nice man who plays the trumpet. The boyfriend finds out about it, and he is there, and he has got her under his control again, commits this horrible act with her, the police think, right there in the house with him, probably as bait to lure Scott Sessions to his death. Then for the next several days afterwards, has to pretend as if nothing happened. But it sounded so much to me like a woman living in fearunder the control of one of these controlling characters. As you know, Andrea, from doing so many of these stories, it is at the heart of so much of what we do. I was just shooting a story this week in Florida that was very similar, where the woman got caught up in something very similar and said that it was the boyfriend, the on again, off again boyfriend who was controlling her and putting fear into her. You know what? How much of that is true? I don't know, but this is her story. Do you think then that it truly was Heather who lured Scott over? No, she was not in charge of.

Her Facebook account at that point. He was in charge, you think, from the beginning? I think he arrived in town. He arrived in town in response to his understanding of what was going on. She was seeing another guy, and he didn't like it. He shows up. He devised a plan to.

Get him over there so he could get rid of him. She would not be trying to get this new.

Boyfriend over while her ex-boyfriend was there. Just wouldn't make any sense. The moment that really makes my heart sink whenever I watch it is that piece of video that shows Heather and Kevin walking out of her house and toward his car when she doesn't know, isn't aware of the fact that she is walking to her death. There's something we should mention because of the nature of this story and the disturbing nature of Heather and her relationship with Kevin. We just want to add that if you are in a.

Situation like that and you are ready to get help because there is a lot of help out there for men and women, the domestic violence hotline is 800-799-7233-800-719.

Com. 719-7233. So if you need.

Help, you can always reach out. Yeah, I take it you tried to interview Kevin? Yes. But many of these things, as you know, you make an approach, but if they don't want to do it, they don't want to do it. Yeah. It's interesting. I've had a couple this year where the men have actually admitted to doing the killings, which is very, very rare because usually it's all, Denied, denied, deny. But even when you do get in front of them and they admit to doing it, as I discovered this year, they just kept, I don't know. I don't know what came over me. So even then, it's hard to get answers. And as far as Kevin, for a small town guy, he's really going for the Oscar in that interview room. He was laying it on thick. You have to wonder what was going on in his head.

There are two things happening that wereinteresting to me. One is you can see the wheels turning as he's trying to come up with a story and a presentation of himself that's going to work. Either he's going to try to show them that he's crazy or try to show them that he really cares about that. Can I pull the wool over their eyes, or do I have to act like I'm a complete crazy person in order to.

Get away with this? He didn't seem to know which one to opt for. One of my favorite fictional detectives, Inspector... A series of books written in the early and mid 20th century by Georges Simono. One of the things he would always say to the perpetrators of these horrendous crimes that he was trying to solve is, My job is not to judge, but to understand. He even formed relationships with some of these criminals in an effort to not condemn them, but to understand what made them tick, because that was the driving force of his career. In a way, I can see why that's exactly what we ought to be doing. Just try to figure out why people tick the way they do. How was dinner, dear? Lovely, but I may have eaten too much plumb pudding. My tummy feels like it's on fire. Oh, dear. Well, you can't be flying around delivering presents with an upset tummy. Try one of these. Emazole control? Yes. One tablet can provide 24-hour lasting relief from heartburn. So just enough time to go around the world and back. Tame your dragon with Emazole Control 20 milligrams. Treat heartburn and acid reflux.

Curate is now available in the shop. The product contains Esomethazole, available in 7, 14, and 28 packs from leading pharmacies. Always read the leaflet marketed by Roex. Hey, everybody. We are talking Dateline. I'm Andrea Canning, and today it is my turn to interview Keith Morrison. Hello, Keith. Hi, who are you? I know, well, working around your schedule, you're so busy and popular. Such a nonsense. It was hard to make from you. Such total nonsense. If this is what it takes for us to catch up, then I'll take it. There you go. I'll take it. We increase our Canadian content. Of course, we do. We're 100% Canadian content right now. We are talking about your episode called The Last Weekend. If you haven't seen this yet on TV, do that first and then come back here. If you haven't heard it in the podcast form and want to, it's the episode right below this one in the list of podcasts that you can choose from. Something I learned just this morning.

About this episode and others is that this is the fourth date line in Greely, Colorado. I know. What is in the water there? Well, I feel like we're beginning to know Greely, Colorado quite well, don't you? Have you done a story from Greely? No, I haven't. I feel left out. Maybe you don't want date line visiting that many times. It's like any other town. But... But things happen in every town around America or the world, for that matter. Greely seems to be more open to discussing with the public what occurs in these situations. The police department is open, and we have done other stories before, which tends to lead us to the next story in the queue with the next one that comes along. We know the people, we call them up. Going to Greely is always a nice drive. It's a pleasant place to spend a few days. I like it. One of the things, of course, about this episode is just the beauty of the.

Area, the mountains. Exactly. Yeah. It's so stunning. Sure. The typography does play a role in this one. It does. Yes, with the body being found on the mountain when Scott is first discovered, he really.

Went out of his way, Kevin, to take Scott's bodyup on this mountain. Well, yes, they both did.

But at whose direction? Right. The story is one which is unfortunately all too common everywhere you go in human society, I guess, and certainly in America, where a guy will not take no for an answer and is a controlling person. Then things happen as a result, usually bad things. In this case, bizare bad things happen, which is why it became a story for Deadline. Okay, so I got a little confused at the end. So, Heather was somehow a part of this, but is the theory that she was coerced or that she was afraid of? You get to the central point, I think. To me, the whole lesson of this story is here was a good person, a good woman who was trying to live a good life, who had got herself mixed up with a bad guy and then forms a new relationship with this very nice man who plays the trumpet. The old boyfriend finds out about it, and he is there, and he has got her under his control again, commits this horrible act with her, the police think, right there in the house with him, probably as to late to lure Scott Sessions to his death, and then for the next several days afterwards, has to pretend as if nothing happened.

But it.

Sounded so much to me like a woman living in fear under the control of one of these controlling characters. As you know, Andrea, from doing so many of these stories, it is at the heart of so much of what we do. I was just shooting a story this week in Florida that was very similar... Where the woman got caught up in something very similar and said that it was the boyfriend, the on again, off again boyfriend who was controlling her and putting fear into her. How much of that is true? I don't know, but this is her story. Do you think then that it truly was Heather who lured Scott over? No, she was not in charge of her Facebook account at that point. He was in charge, you think, from the beginning? I think he arrived in town. He arrived in town in response to his understanding of what was going on. She was seeing another guy and he didn't like it. He shows up and he devised a plan to get him over there so he could get rid of him. She would not be trying to get this new boyfriend over while her ex-boyfriend was there.

Just wouldn't make any sense. The moment that reallyit makes my heart sink whenever I.

Watch it, is that piece of video that shows Heather and Kevin walking out of her house and toward his car when she doesn't know, isn't aware of the fact that she is walking to her death. Something we should mention because of.

The nature of this story and the disturbing nature of Heather and her relationship with Kevin. We just want to add that if you are in a situation like that and you are ready to get help because there is a lot of help out there for men and women, the domestic violence hotline is (800) 799) 7233 (800) 799-7233. If you need help, you can always reach out. I take it you tried to interview, Kevin? Yes. But many of these things, as you know, you make an approach. But if they don't want to do it, they don't want to do it. Yeah. It's interesting. I've had a couple this year where the men have actually admitted to doing the killings, which is very, very rare because usually it's all, Denied, denied, deny. But even when you do get in front of them and they admit to doing it, as I discovered this year, they just kept, I don't know. I don't know what came over me. So even then, it's hard to get answers. And as far as Kevin, I mean, for a small town guy, I mean, he's really going for the Oscar in.

That interview room. He was laying it on thick. I mean, you have to wonder

what was going on in his head. There are two things happening that were interesting to me. One is you can see the wheels turning as he's trying to come up with a story and a presentation of himself that's going to work. Either he's going to try to show them that he's crazy or try to show them that he really cares about that. Can I pull the wool over their eyes, or do I have toact like I'm a complete crazy person in order to get away with this? He didn't seem to know which one to opt for. One of my favorite fictional detectives, Inspector McGray, a series of books written in the early and mid 20th century by Georges Simono, one of the things he would always say to the perpetrators of these horrendous crimes that he was trying to solve is, My job is not to judge, but tounderstand. He even formed relationships with some of these criminals in an effort to not condemn them, but to understand what made them tick, because that was the driving force of his career. In a way, I can see why that's exactly what we ought to be doing.

Just try to figure out why people tick the way they do.

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You can't help but feel for the victims involved here because they were good people. They were interesting people. I think that the world is missing both their talents, and they would have been happy together. It's just very sad.

Yeah, it seemed like a really sweet romance. Heather is coming off of this bad breakup with Kevin. For Scott, it felt like he's in his 50s. He's not married. I felt like for whatever reason, you got that impression like these two had finally found each other and that.

They were.

Going to make it.

He was finally going to get his chance, which he didn't think he was going to get. She was finding out of that, as.

You say. When I think about those two coming together, it almost is like a rom-com at first. The trumpet player meets the waitress, and it's very cute in the small town, the small snowy mountain town.

It sounds like you have ideas, Andrea, and you've worked that.

Into a story as well. Yeah, like every homework movie. Unfortunately, this one takes a date-line twist, which does not... They never got the happy ending. No. But I.

Was so struck by the place she worked and the people who worked with her. That cheers atmosphere in this diner where she worked and the fact that she was so popular with her coworkers and with the customers there and knew them all by name and got herself all dooted up to go to work. She just was really attracted to that character. It sounded like the person you'd want to know. Him with a really remarkable talent at playing the trumpet, when you hear him play, and unfortunately, because of copyright issues, we couldn't play most of his music.

That's.

Bah-humbug. It is Bah-humbug. Or, as we say in the podcast, I'm a bug. You do that so much.

Better than me.

Nonsense. But what a loss.

Yeah, and the way his dad described him and his sister with the trumpet, that that's when he was the happiest, when he was holding that trumpet.

Yeah, he was.

In this case, Scott was adopted, and he made his parents very happy. They got.

Their-they did. They got their.

Little boy. You could really feel the love between Scott and his father. It's heartbreaking.

It was heartbreaking. I so felt for that man who in short order lost his son to murder him, and then his wife died.

His wife for so.

Many years. Two months later.

You could see how proud he was of Scott.

Sure. Quite rightly so.

One of the things you learned is something about Scott's sister that she told you.

Well, first of all, that he reconnected with her was very sweet. To see how much she cared and how much she loved the guy, understandably so. But to discover a brother you didn't know you had must have been such an emotional turn for her and for her life. That she clearly loved him was obvious when she has his trumpet, wanted his trumpet and wants to learn how to play his trumpet to be somehow closer to the memory of him. It's a lovely thing.

That's really nice. What sweet music she'll make no matter how it sounds.

That's true.

We all know what a novice trumpet player sounds like. We've all had kids who have tried to pick up the trumpet. I love that she's doing that. That's so great. Something about this story also was the ending, it just really tugged at your heartstrings. How did you feel about it when you watched it?

Well, when you're telling a story, the end is probably the most important moment, right? You want to be able to leave people with something they remember. I'm glad to know that you felt that that was accomplished. That's what we try to do.

Yeah, it was... They had the memorial concert for him, which I felt like, and for Heather too, which I felt was just so appropriate.

It was. Not to get too storytelling 101, but you want that moment where it really tugs at you and maybe you feel a little dear because you have every right to, given what you've just witnessed, but you don't want to go too far. So it just has to be exactly the right amount. Getting the right amount without making people think, Oh, boy, they're getting all sappy here.

One of the things we try to do at Dateline so much is for the viewers and the listeners to really understand who these people are and to get that to color that picture of who was Scott, who was Heather. I really had this sense of them by the end. When you do watch that memorial concert, it really pays off because you've gone on a journey with them. Unfortunately, it was a sad ending to the journey, but you did a good job of making me feel like I knew them.

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I want to, of course, give a shout out to your excellent writing, Keith, and delivery because you do it like no one else. No, stop it.

Speaking of shoutouts, and for anybody who may know those who work at Dayline, I was able to work with a wonderful producer named Rob Buken. Rob. Who's been around for many years and worked with him? He is a consummate pro and a wonderful guy.

I love working with Rob. We always have fun together. I think it was two years ago I spent my birthday with Rob. He made sure we all went out. We were somewhere. Can't even remember where now. He ordered my favorite wine. He's a nice guy. But you're writing, I was going to say you had some lines that I picked up on, such as the bacon perfume to the room.

That wasn't my line.

That wasn't no. That wasn't your line? No, it wasn't my line. Okay, so it was Rob's line written for you.

That was Rob, yeah.

Well, good on Rob for channeling his inner Keith Morrison, right? There we go. I also like the line to none of us are perfect.

Absolutely. I think the reason that people watch the programs we do and are interested in the issues we talk about is that the human condition is so messed up. We're all trying to get through our lives and do good things and not do bad things and failing repeatedly. We're the people who have to look at what can happen and think, I'm not that or Am I going to be a victim like this person I'm watching on television? It's a way of assessing your own life in a way and understanding what it is to be a human being. Story itself was a fascinating police procedural with some difficulties along the way. I used to read a lot of Scandinavian crime fiction. Really? Yes. They tend to be a little team of police officers trying to solve a terrible murder and running into all kinds of complications along the way. This was like one of those in the sense that the process was so complicated and so exhausting, and they did what human beings do. They ran out of steam at one point. They had to take a break. Then later on, they feel bad about having had we only done such and such, had we only followed up a.

Little more. Right. Because she was killed in that interim period, Heather. It made me think so much now in a lot of our date lines, so often. There's this interesting tactic of how the police are on to people and they go behind their backs and they dig into their cell phone records and their Google maps. The people have no idea that this is happening under their noses. It gives the police vital information about their whereabouts without them knowing. But in this case, it worked to the disadvantage in the way that Heather was killed during this period.

It did. One of the other complications, of course, is you can get all that information about a person, but you have to have probable cause to make an arrest. That's a decision somebody at a higher level than most of the people involved in the grunt work of solving a crime are able to make. This was one of those situations where along the way, as Kevin is going to find the fuel to be able to go back to that farm to burn Heather's body the way he had tried to burn Scott Sessions' body. Finally, the detective catches up with him at a gas station, and he has to make a decision. Am I going to approach that guy and try to put him under arrest? He might be armed. He might shoot me. God knows what might happen. But if I decide to arrest him, I'm at this point making a decision that's above my pay grade. Do I have the guts to make it? That was an interesting story that he told, and the position that he was in was one you can certainly see what it would have been like. That's when I find myself really getting into a story when you can put yourself in the shoes of all the people involved.

One they tell you- What would I do?

Yeah, what would I do? Exactly. Thank you.

That was one of the moments that really had me riveted was this detective because I was scared for him because he's following this guy around who he thinks is a killer. This is country, this is backcountry. This is mountain territory. He's by himself. Yeah.

Well, the guy's armed and he's already killed at least one person, and they think maybe two, and they got to stop him before he does it again.

Do you have any Scandinavian crime novel recommendations? Any favorites?

Yeah, there are lots of good ones.

Is there one that jumps out in your mind that you really enjoyed?

The man who became the signature writer of that fiction was Henning Mankel.

Anything in that collection?

Sure. Then the Girl with the Dragon tattoo is in the same genre.

I was just going to ask you about that one. That was an intense book and movie.

We're off topic.

Here, Andrea. We're not talking- Well, it's talking date line. It is. You talk wherever your talk takes you, right?

Yeah, I guess that's how it works, isn't it?

I just wanted to say, on a personal note, I posted a photo of us. It popped up on my memories from one of our holiday parties, and I posted it. It got so many comments. I just wanted to tell you how many people love you and your family, and we're sending such well wishes. I just love our date-line community, and it just really warmed my heart to see all the kind things that they were saying about you and your amazing family.

It's a good family. I'm a lucky man in many ways.

Yes.

We miss him a lot, but that won't go away.

This is an especially hard time of year as well when everyone is with their families. So you are loved, Keith Morrison, and your family.

Thank you, Andrea. Same to you. And have a wonderful Christmas season.

Thank you. That is our talking date line for the last weekend. Keith, it has been such a pleasure getting to spend this time with you.

It's wonderful to talk to you, Andrea. You take care.

You too.

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