This is John Taylor running back for the Indianapolis Colts, and you're listening to the Fantasy Football as podcast. Welcome to the fantasy football podcast with your host. Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and my great. Oh, come in. Jason, more Mike, the fantasy hit man, right, I'm Andy Holloway, the fantasy football podcast for Tuesday, October 6th. Welcome in 2020. Party people got a great show for you today.

It's an important one heading into week five waiver show. Some names to discuss debate. You've got kind of two kinds of waiver pickups, the the one week rental. And then we can discuss whether some of these guys have long term value for your fantasy roster, hopefully both.

Yeah, that's the kind of player I'm willing to spend a little bit more on. We have our streaming quarterbacks for week five on the show today as well, so you can pick them up tomorrow and some news to discuss some injury news. And that's going to I mean, I saw a Google doc or a spreadsheet of the top twenty five by average draft position yesterday.

Oh, good. And I think Jake Sealy posted it on Twitter and he highlighted all the players that were either currently out or had been out for some period of time. And it was a battle to find who was healthy. It was not even a battle to find. It was just unbelievable how many injuries have taken place to affect or disrupt your team.

And I tweeted out, if you took the consensus now, look, your order may have varied. I'm just saying the ATP, if you wouldn't if you took the running back, won the running back to the wide receiver, one, two or three so far, you have a bad pick for your team like that. That's how insane this has been. And what's so funny is I've seen people going back and forth of the zero RB people are like, I mean, look at what's happening over.

Do you like of course, you should have gone wide receiver heavy, except my zero RB team was Julio Jones. Davante Adams. That is not working out for me. And then the people are like, yeah, look, wide receivers because I got I got Kamara. Yeah. And I feel like I know it. If you don't have these three running backs this year has, you could you can make a narrative or an argument for any draft strategy this year.

It's it's why we say zero RB, W.R, QB or tight end. That's right. It's the only strategy that works. So I mean, the reality is this is why the foot clan, those of you listening, who stick with us through this year are going to win championships. It's because the majority of your league is dealing with insanity and it's going to be who makes the good waiver wire pickups, who makes the right decisions, who grinds through the year and has a little bit more knowledge then than the casual loser in your league?

That's right.

Take some injuries, mix in a little bit of covid and schedule disruption. And it's a recipe for you to win a championship. All right. Twitter at the footballers, the fantasy football or Starcom for all the rankings and tools. Join the fight dotcoms, the community. We had two Monday Night Football games last night.

The Chiefs over the Patriots, twenty six to ten and the Green Bay Packers with a very handily won thirty to sixteen victory proof.

So the Chiefs game got off to a rather slow start. Seemed like it was halftime instantaneously. But you can't really hold the chiefs down forever. Uh, Patrick Mahomes ends up getting his and you just didn't get enough from Hoyer or Stidham in that game. Hoyer was awful. His pocket presence zero zero, according to my statistical measures. I mean, he did not know people were around him at any moment in time. You were. Let me get your temperature on a player here.

All right. Clyde Edwards allare. Sixteen four.

Sixty four last night. Three for twenty seven through the air. Taken off the field in the red zone at times, he has been very dynamic, very good. Through four weeks, how do you feel? I asked you this last week, so how do you feel right now? I'll answer because I think Mike answered last week and I'm a little bit cooler on him in the sense of the the high upside, the gigantic games, whether we see them or not.

But you're still thrilled in the sense that you've got a really solid weekly plugged in, guaranteed floor for a player and then he's going to get touchdowns through the year. That's one of the things that we know. And so in those games, if his floor is high, then you've got a really safe option until whenever he gets a touchdown, he's going to be fine.

But I will say this, the top five, the excitement for having, you know, what we see when we watch Dalvin Cook, what we see when we watch Alvin Kamara, these guys where they are truly electric. I haven't seen that from him, the player as much. But I do think the role in that offense is just so safe and secure that I'm happy with it.

I'm just not ecstatic. RB thirteen on the year so far through four weeks, which obviously that's nothing to be ashamed of. But he was drafted inside the top five in some leagues and more excited about Clyde the last season over Jonathan Taylor I assume. Yes, I look RB thirteen when you have one touchdown. But that's part of my question, right. Because if they pull him off the field in the red zone, touchdowns are going to be less frequent than if they left him there.

Yes, it is better to be on the field in the red zone. But look, that I still believe that the touchdowns are coming. You don't see a running back averaging over twenty opportunities a game and not scoring touchdowns. It devastated the city chiefs. Well, I mean, Devin Singletary is example of a player like that.

I just want to be realistic with him. I'm not trying to poo poo on him. I want him on my fantasy roster. But if he's being taken off the field, not getting in the endzone, his one touchdown was a long run, right? It was a twenty plus yard run, which reminds me of Singletary I saw to me watching the Kansas City games. It's just been the way that things have bounced. I mean, are you are you upset with Patrick Mahomes being Patrick Mahomes yet again was not a top twelve quarterback.

And I think that if you take the temperature on people there. No, I'm I'm just going to stay the course of Patrick Mahomes that is fully where I am with Clyde Edwards. If they if someone drafted Edwards allare and they are disappointed in the running back thirteen for a week for proof we'll get him. I will absolutely trade for him. All right. What else stood out from that specific game you got? Damien Harris with seventeen carries one hundred yards, had a big 41 yard run in this one.

Rex Burkhead had eleven carries, James White three carries. But back in the lineup with seven receptions which led the team.

Yeah it was, it was Sony. Michel was out. That wasn't something we had talked about prior. And so that means this really Damien Harris is inheriting that role. And he wasn't just out. He was put on the ice. That's right. So he will be out for the next two games at least. And then, you know, Darren, Damian Harris inherited that role. He was he looked good. He was OK. I mean, Sonis looked as good.

I mean, it's always been OK this year. I you know.

Are you talking about I think it's a little bit of fool's gold. I think the Sony either provides an opportunity, but we know around the goal line it'll be Cam Newton or Newton's back. And I you're still trying to gamble with three different players. So there are other running backs that I'm going to prioritize over Damien Harris. But that's also because last week I was saying you should stash Damien Harris. Yeah, no, you've been on it. See what happens.

You deserve credit for that, too, because I didn't expect the either situation for someone. I didn't expect that either. But that's also the Patriots. You've got to expect the unexpected man. You've got to be ready. Yeah. Which makes starting their running backs very difficult. It that's fair. That's why I say he's not the priority ad this week if you are if you are hurting at the running back position. But he needs to be on your bench and see what happens, you know, doesn't impress me.

McIlhenny, no, no, like no body control, no 50 50 ball presence, I don't I mean, he got the touchdown late in the game, which was basically a falling over touchdown. I don't know. I'm just not impressed with his ability with the size and stature that he has to not be a difference maker on the outside is.

And there were some things I'm ready to cut bait.

Yeah, there were a couple of passes that I thought this is a good contested catch pass. You're giving your your wide receiver an opportunity to make that catch if he's good wide receiver.

And it looked not close, like he turned his body weirdly and got one hand on the ball. You know, it was just I was really disappointed. But you're with me on that. I am 100 percent with you.

I mean, ten targets for Damir Byrd in the offense. Nikil Harry had six of them. I don't know.

It's just there's really not a lot that you want from the Patriots offense right now. I mean, Julian Edelman is someone that obviously is going to be rostered because he's been good for a long time, but he's disappointing. James White is a running back who catches the ball so he can be relevant. But until Cam gets back and then once he comes back, it's just him that I want. I don't really invest right now in the Patriots off.

And the update on Cam Newton, he has been symptom free for a couple of days. I don't think he's ever had symptoms. Right. I'm just giving up. I don't they said I think I've heard asymptomatic, not not a doctor, but so it seems like at once he you know, once he clears and gets the double negative test, I'm just saying it didn't get in his lungs. It's not affecting him that way of of putting him down for the count.

So once he clears and is no longer able to transmit the virus, he would be right back in the lineup. Is that a possibility for next week? I don't believe so.

I think you have to have ten days of no symptom free, which would put the timeline one more week past.

I was thinking about that and I had bad thoughts, I was like, man, if they they tried to, like, delay that game, get a little Tuesday Night football, get Cam Newton back, you if anyone would do it.

That's why I thought it would be like Bill's like, oh, I'm not feeling good.

They'd figure figured we get the Tuesday night game, please, after what we saw on the field from Boya instead. Look, the fancy footballers are prepared. You can go to Tuesday Night Football Dotcom. We're ready.

No, come on. All right. Julio Jones.

Oh. Oh, yeah. Calvin Ridley, what Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan was a player that I was really excited about earlier in the week, and then you saw, oh no, you might not want to play Matt Ryan if he doesn't have a Julio, if he doesn't have Calvin Ridley.

But he had them, Jason. But he didn't. Apparently, it was the weirdest thing. So obviously, first half he has Julio and still limited. They were they were monitoring him and not just letting him be out there all the time. And he was OK in that first half. I think Julio was fine. Who will tweet something at the very end of the first half did not come back in the game. That is very concerning. Yes.

I want to talk about that more in a minute.

But the weird thing to me was Calvin Ridley, let me read you a list of players and then you try to figure out what they have in common.

Zacchaeus First, the white man, Jones, Smith, Gage Hill, Gurley, Keith Smith. We've got to Smith's in here.

I'm going to guess they all outperformed Calvin Ridley.

Those are all players that had receptions for Matthew Ryan. Oh, man. It was oh, man.

Really bizarre watching the game and and how Ryan looked. It looked like he was legitimately playing without those players, even when they were on the field. I couldn't wrap my head around it. And I don't know if that's a testament to the Green Bay Packers defense. And they just took out, you know, they're their best options. Or if Matt Ryan was just rattled, I don't know how to feel about that.

Yeah, he misses Julia Real Julia. Not injured Julio and. So, yeah, we'll have to talk about the long term situation for both of those players, Calvin Ridley has been the number one fantasy wide receiver, and this is a very extreme example of Jason's, you know, analysis where he's looking at the variance that even the great wide receivers have. Now, a goose is not something you expect from your your star. This was the classic Mike Evans.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was bad. And I took a poll on Twitter because I was curious. Matt Ryan, Carson, Wentz, who would you rather have is your quarterback for your franchise, what do you think the results of that poll was? Wow. Oh, that's interesting.

It is really interesting. I think this is just like they a fan saying, which quarterback do you want?

I would rather question was, which would you rather have? Is your home team's quarterback?

Yeah. Carson Wentz is what you believe. The point is the pointer is and is also my answer.

I think the poll. I think the poll, what does that mean? The poll was 70 30 who with over 14000 votes, 70 30, Matt Ryan.

Wow, I'm factoring age into mine. I don't know, factoring quarterback play into mine.

Sure. Todd Gurley was the lone bright spot with two touchdowns, six oh seven. Trey Todd Gurley immediately. Yeah, he does. I get it. He got the two touchdowns he came through with a fantasy day. He. Does not look like Todd Gurley, this this is a guy who has the cliff is here and he's past. You want to know one of his best attributes, though, this season? How not Aerosmith? He is.

Yeah, that's one of the things that stands out to me is how much he's not Aerosmith in this office.

It seems like they're monitoring, you know, his knee and they don't want to overwork him. But every time they put Aerosmith in the game, it's like they're trying to stop their drives when at least when they hand the ball off to him. If he's in there and they don't use him, then at least it's 10 on 11 football and you have a chance.

Let me end with the best save the best for last. Robert Tonin, six for ninety eight and throw manhood's down. Man Did you see all the pictures of him. Best friend George. Yeah. And both of them wearing those, those sweet hats on the sideline and wearing the man buttons. Mike, how do you feel about this man Bonchek.

Oh I'm all in if you want, if you want to rock the man bun. Absolutely get that thing up. Was that up in his fantasy production.

Well you tell me what's not hurting him right now. Ninety eight and three touchdowns.

I mean we talked about the idea of starting a Packers tight end and we said, well Lewis Martin, Mercedes Lewis had to do a touchdown last week and we also had Sternbergh to get involved. Tynan's the guy apparently. I mean, the dude got tackled on while running around, got back up and then scored a touchdown on that play. It was amazing. How much is Tonin, how much is Falcons?

I think you also have ninety ten Falcons. The recipe in addition to that is Allen Lazard and Davante Adams being out and then definitely a healthy dash of the fact that Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback. It was it was a perfect storm for Tonya.

The great news, the great news is for Aaron Rodgers here that if he's missing his top option, you have at least somebody else who will step up. Yeah, and it's not Mark Vaile.

No, it is not. In fact, nor will it ever be talked. We talked about this before. I was a little upset when it seemed like the taking it up to 100 was good because he had the shot. I was really sad when Lazard went out because he is so clearly not a one that if you're going to guard him with the best defenders is just flat out not good enough. Before we move on, I see really push this button.

I do want to I want to circle back to Julio, OK? I am super worried about Julio, like. Like I personally am looking at, maybe you try and trading him for 75 cents on the dollar to someone who will take the name. I mean, this is a this is an older wide receiver who's dealt with a hamstring problem from before the season. That's now re aggravated it. We're in mid season. How many more weeks are you going to miss?

And then when he comes back, are you going to be able to play him now? Maybe he helps win a championship for someone in weeks, 15, 16, you know, hopefully not 17. Hopefully the championships aren't in week seventeen. But I think you're going to have a really rough stretch.

I mean, you look at I mean, we had so many conversations before the season about, well, AJ Green is the same age Zulia. Well, Julio's awesome. He's been dominant. He's looked great entirely. But when you're older and you're injured, it's not as easy to come back. So I'm just. Do you guys share my concern or do you not? Because Wholy has been so unfathomably dominant.

It's a compelling argument when you when you take the the Falcons as a whole, Calvin Ridleys, you know, kind of emergence and the knee injury in the middle of the season. I mean, last year, Davante Adams won people championships, but he missed a four game stretch, came back and gave you nothing. And then you finally got the production. That could be the Julio situation. You might have him out for, what, two more weeks.

So let's put this into actionable advice, Jason. So you're. If I'm reading what you're saying right, if you are a. Average teen or an average to a losing team right now, you have you've got one win, you've got two wins, you would trade away Julio Jones right now try to see if you can make something happen. But then if you were, let's say, your fourneau and you got deaf, are you taking on the risk putting Julio Jones on your bench and hoping that he comes through later?

Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good trade for both teams in that type of a situation where you need wins who lose. Not going to give it to you right now, Julio. Still great, but it's going to be a while. I believe so. Yeah. I think that's an actionable piece of advice.

If you're two and two, are you trading Julio Jones for Odell Beckham Junior? Yeah, yeah. I would trade. I mean, I don't think, though, that Beckham junior manager is going to trade him for a currently injured Julio. But if I could do that, I would do that in a heartbeat.

OK, let's talk news. News& notes from around the league. All right, he was breaking news yesterday, Nick Chubb, short term E.R. with an MCL sprain, everything I'm reading says Nick Chubb could be pushing a more like five to six week timeline, not a three week timeline.

Yeah, it's not like the short term. There is a minimum of three, but that does not mean he's back at three. This is a six week injury.

Do teams think it's a guarantee they're back in three? They'll be nice, right? A minimum of three. Chubb, could they have like a bye week lining up where he could be out to week 10? Austin Ekeler a grade two hamstring strain.

I've never seen an injury quite like this one expected to miss four to six weeks, but he's getting a second opinion. He's also a tough a tough guy. It's just it can only be so tough. You can't put your hamstring back on the bone.

Yeah, I mean, this is as good of news as I could have hoped for. I mean, I put the odds of season ending at about 90 plus percent. So if you can get him back in a couple of months, then fantastic. All right.

We have Lusha McCoy with an ankle sprain. Are you actually looking into Keyshawn Vaughn right now?

Yes, absolutely. It's a waiver wire show. OK, I need to I took a little poll so I know this is appropriate. The Texans have fired head coach, GM president, owner, remember, season ticket holder, play caller, play caller Bill O'Brien.

Uh huh. And I asked I asked the Houston fans, are we happy?

And they said, oh, no. Oh, yeah, I think they are thrilled. Yeah, I mean, look at our police, I think it is good for your franchise to not have Bill O'Brien being your general manager. Your head coach is not done. Great things there. But look at this from a dynasty fantasy roster perspective. Right. The new general manager is it is inheriting a team from a bad former manager. Right. And those things take time to turn around.

Thank goodness you've got John Watson. Yes, that will help tremendously. But, you know, you've got a team that's on four and it doesn't have its first or second round pick this year.

What GM wants to go into that job, it actually concerns me a little bit from a functional head coaching standpoint. Bill O'Brien had taken over the head coaching or the play calling this past week. But just philosophically, with David Johnson, one of the things we leaned on was David Jones is going to get all the work because as Bill O'Brien and that's his former recipe for success. Maybe you see a little bit more of a committee. I'm not sure it's it's going to be some work.

I mean, Bill O'Brien, one exactly zero games without DeAndre Hopkins. And Hopkins is a good dude, but he had to have smirked just a little bit that morning. Yeah, he probably did. All right.

Levesque is not somebody I really like this week dealing with a hamstring injury.

Hamstrings me, hamstrings, hello. It's me, I'm sorry, I just why can't scientists and doctors go into the preventative ACL and hamstring?

Can you just want them to fix it? I don't want them to fix the broken one. I want them to stop it from getting broke. What if you like, you know, that flexible.

Oh, yeah. The red tape. Do you put the tape on the back of the leg? No, I want the spray can. What have you just sprayed the back your legs every single right before the game. You know, Alvin Kamara takes up his arms. I've seen cloudy with a chance of meatballs. Those breakthroughs in Iraq, I the dude's on a boat, man. He's floating just fine.

But I've seen cloudy with a chance of meatballs. That's my factual basis. Steve, real quick, carmakers is going to return in week five. Ryan Fitzpatrick will start in week five. The fact that's news, though, makes it interesting with two potentially making a start at some point. Sam Donald not playing to play Sam Donaldson, week five. Oh, so Joe Flacco against the Cardinals in what could be we won't be here the next week if.

No if the Cardinals lose to Joe Flacco and the Jets.

Guys, you've got it. We just got to get ready. We're done.

It's it's it's Brooks. Brooks is sitting here at the table by himself. And we're done, cardinals are going to win that game, guys. That's what they keep telling me and I have no confidence you Brooks. And in really important news, the Jets waived block.

Oh, no. Gorbals the wall. The wall is the wall.

Bring the slide whistle back out. But also the cannibalised being released speaks heavily to that Le'Veon Bell will, in fact, return for the Jets. Good point. That's a good point.

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We're taking it up to one hundred players of the week every Thursday. And right now we're in a battle because we check the scoreboard. And Mike, you're two and two on the season.

I am Hunter Renfrow.

Was your oh, you're almost thirty one here, but you're not used. Thank you, Jase. He took it up to 85. He did.

We're not going to talk about Marquez, Valdes, Scantlin. We're just going to talk about I am also two and two and our dudes got flakes for sure. Here's who took it up to 100.

Melvin Gordon. Yeah. I mean he was the running back three on the week. Great call, Andy. That pulls you up to two and two. And we are tied going into week five.

Where where do you think Melvin Gordon was before that final play? I mean, he was pretty he was going to be 100, but I'm saying it looks like the running back 15 or so I got do a thousand.

He was at 100. That got him to a thousand. It's just so insane of, you know, the play callers. They're going to give the ball to Melvin Gordon. He's going to run it up the middle because all they want to do is waste the clock and then he just bounces off of everybody and rolls out.

You see that sometimes because the whole defense is up to break through that first line, you're gone. Yeah. We'll see how it goes this week. I'm sure I'll take it up to 100. Take your hair up to one hundred with head and shoulders available at Wal-Mart. Pictures up today and check out this. Thursday's episode here are up to 100 picks of the week.

Put me in, coach. All right, we're in the buys or in the buys, week five buys the Lions, the Packers, Kenny Golladay, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones, MB's taking a week off after that heavy workload here. Jones man, I am regret, so much regret of doubting Aaron Jones. He's so he's so good. You know, people debate the value of running back. Yes. Running back contracts and they do it for good reason.

You've seen situations where teams lose that prolific running back. They don't they don't lose a beat. Christian McCaffrey.

But there there are a handful of players where when you watch them play football, you say no one can replace that player.

Alvin Kamara Dalvin Cook Green. And Aaron Jones, Aaron Jones is in that list. I will give a lot of credit to Jamaal Williams. He has he looks significantly better whatever work he did in the off season, took it to one hundred on that week. Six buys. Coming up, it's the Raiders, Patriots, Saints and Seahawks for next week. So keep that in mind when you're making adjustments on the waiver wire. Let's start with the wide receiver position when we're talking waiver pick-ups.

We always start with drop candidates, players that, you know, you as listeners, you bring them up on Twitter, on Instagram, you want to know, you want permission, really, you want permission to drop a big name most of the time because you want to go after the the newest waiver wire pick up, but you don't know if it's OK to let somebody go. So I'm going to bring up some names. That wide receiver, you say if you're willing to let them go for some of the guys on the block this week, Marvin.

Disappointment, Jones. Yes, yes, oh, no. This way, the jury that was a little biased, Jackson leaving the witness.

Yeah, you cut him all right. You said yes as well. Yeah. He's a great basketball player, though. He'll have a big three touchdown game coming. Still waiting for AJ Green cut. Yeah, he's going to help. Cut. Yeah. I'm not cut in to help.

No, I don't. I don't blame you. He's not a guy yet. The other two. I mean, first of all, if I've got someone with the name of AJ Green, I'm going to try to trade him first. Of course, before I call him. We need to say that because that's good advice. People will trade for big names. But he I mean, my number one favor pick up skipping ahead is his teammate, Tee Higgins.

But if I had to roster Tee Higgins or AJ Green, it's going to be Tee Higgins.

Yeah, and I'm close on Hilton. I don't don't get me wrong. I'm very close. I just want I want them in a game where they're not dominating from the beginning of the game and see what happens. It's so good. It's very good. And Brandin Cooks cut.

Yeah. You can you can say sayonara. Michael Gallop. No, no. OK, Dariusz, slight, no, no, hang on, especially this week. Yes, T.J., no. Yeah, those three guys I'm continuing to roster, if they I mean, put it this way, if those three Galip, Slaten and D.J. More were on the waivers, I would I would definitely put D.J. Moore and Michael Gallop ahead of all the other wide receivers that we're going to be discussing today.

So, yeah, they should be rostered.

I think one of the reasons why. I'm OK, holding on to Hilton for another week is because I'm really not that enthusiastic about the wide receiver pickups this week, it's a good point. The last week was exciting with the triple rookie breakout.

Yeah, Justin Jefferson. Great picka. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm glad we said to go hard in the paint. Didn't tell you.

Didn't tell me to go hard enough because I missed out on it. I was really close. I spent thirty five fab went for forty five and I'm super disappointed. I love that. Eddie Holloway, host of Fantasy Football Pundits, is blaming his co-hosts for not telling him the bit higher.

That's right. But but for the record, if I had gotten him, I would have been taking the credit for giving myself the advice to go hard enough. That's fantasy football, right? You're right, though, Jason.

There was the rookie breakouts last week. Another one's in the waiver wire pickups this week. But I'm really not I'm not that excited about all of these options. You look at Tee Higgins. All right. Well, Tee Higgins. He seems to be further integrated into this offense, super impressive jibaro, seven targets for four, 77 really seems to be the guy outside of Tyler Boyd that's going to get the target share now has Baltimore in Baltimore this week, has the Colts in Indianapolis the next week.

He's probably at the top of my list for long term value, but I'm not actively starting him, which means I'm not going to spend a ton of. Yeah, I completely agree. This is this is a player that hopefully, based on our advice, you already had picked up because he was kind of our our number two pick up last week. But coming into this week, it really is a matter of look at your roster and say, is this player I need to plug into my lineup because I lost player X, Y or Z, or is this just he's out there.

He should be rostered because if it's a player, you need to pick up and play. I'm between two players.

Hmm. Interesting. I have my number one. Who is your. So I like Russell Gage a lot. I know is a disappointing game. He was just back from the concussion this week, but Carolina and Minnesota and then Detroit is the upcoming schedule for Russell Gage. I think Julio is going to be out. He to me is is a great if you need to pick up a player and plug them in your lineup and hope for ten points, Russell Gage will be the guy.

The other one is Scottie Miller. Scottie Miller. Yeah, he's my number one pick up. He's been getting it done. And if you you know, we keep going back to it. But if he just caught the touchdown pass to hit him in the hands on his down week, then he's pretty much been good averaging.

We thought that I'd be three and one on my taking it to one hundred.

You would. And look, Craig, you, Scottie, Chris, God was not going to play this week as he is. It's a short week. No, he's got the hamstring problem. I thought it would. I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, I thought it was a multi week. We already knew that God was going to miss. Yeah. Scott Scotty Miller, I'm with you. Jason Scotty Miller and Russell Gage are my those are my top two pick up.

So I guess you said Tee Higgins might be your number one. You would be three for me. Yeah.

Looking at this. I mean, this is again, if I need if I needed to start this player now, Tee Higgins would be my number three because I would rather start Russell Gage and Scottie Miller ahead of Tee Higgins.

Yeah, Scott Scottie is at the top of my list. Lévesque is not. I know he's dealing with the hamstring injury. I couldn't have been more impressed with him this past weekend. He has Houston, Detroit. He's number two for me behind Scottie Miller. That's fair. But I do want to monitor that hamstring injury this week because he's a must start this week. Yes. If he's fine. If he's OK. He's not Julio Jones, Jason.

He's very young.

His hamstring is that's it's a really solid it's really solid point. It is a him.

Does the voice get higher as you get older for the hammy. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's the opposite of growing up. Right.

You know, it doesn't look as though they're all they're all high street. All right.

Brandon IUC is maybe on some people's lists. He is an impressive athlete. He is still. Very difficult for me to start. Yeah, I don't think you can start, are you the I did have the thought of once Debo is back, is DBO going to have an eye you can problem. Yeah.

I mean, I, I agree with what you're saying. The sense that he's playing essentially that that dbo role we saw last year are splitting that role, but that go back and forth between DBO and IUC.

Right, exactly. And Deba was back this, this last, this last week, he played on thirty four percent of snaps, but he's going to be more integrated. And yeah, because of both of those players, I'm kind of out on each of them. Here's some more I would rather have Debow. Bye. But I agree. I don't think and I don't think you can start Debow this week yet. I need to see more than thirty four, 34 percent of the snaps.

And then a if you're looking for a stash player at the wide receiver position, Michael Hardman is still available in about in more than half of league he has he's taken to DeMarcus Robinson's job. He's Kareem Hunt. He is shown at wide receiver. Here's what I mean. I would love to know. This is a player who is himself outstanding and electric, but he's not the starter, essentially, like Kareem Hunt wasn't. You can play Michael Hanmin right now as a backup, just like you could play Kareem Hunt.

Now, obviously, it's Kareem Hunt. Like Kareem Hunt was dominating as a backup week in and week out and getting enough touches to be confident in him. You're not as confident in Michael Hardman, but every every single start can have a touchdown for Michael Hardman, as he's had the last two weeks. And should something happen, all of this Nick Chubb injury that puts Michael Hardman, you know, next to Tyreek Hill on a regular basis out on the field.

I really like Michael Hardman as as, you know, as a deeper moustache play if you need to. But hopeful insurance policy as well.

Yeah, it's kind of a philosophical thing. Do you want to target type of fill in for your team, like a Greg Ward who might go out and get seven, eight, nine, ten targets? Or do you want to take a shot on one big play with Michael Hardman?

In general? I want the targets in specificity with Greg Ward at Pittsburgh, then Baltimore. No, thank you. But yeah, I mean, I think the first guys we mentioned this, you know, the Scottie Miller and Russell Gage and Tee Higgins, those are up and then Michael Harden. But none of these guys, like, super inspiring me.

So, you know, I'm I'm I'm Jason Traken Smith Points. I mean, on the Saints. I expect Michael Thomas to be back this week and they're playing the Chargers. Chargers, I get Tom Brady threw five touchdowns, but they are still a solid defense. And then you have the bye week trek on. Smith is just a really deep league ad for me, if at all.

All right. Let's look at the running back position on the waiver wire this week. A couple of drop candidates that have been coming up on Twitter, Instagram. Jake Dobbins, no, no. Yeah, Dobens is somebody that should be rostered. Yes, I don't think it's an absolute for every team if you need to go get somebody to play Dobens is not that option.

I mean, that's truly whatever name you're going to say is is is probably the case for running back, because if there's someone who has the potential to be involved at some point at running back, then they need to be rostered by someone in the league. I see you're about to bring up Zach Moss. Like, my initial instinct is. Oh, yeah, good. Cut, cut bait. I didn't want Zach Moss anyways. But at the same time, he's one of the I mean, I'm picking up guys at the running back position that are seemingly, you know, feels like a backup to the backup sometimes just just your wait and hope.

And so in that category, Zach Moss should be rostered. But I would much prefer the waiver options we're about to talk about. Yeah, I would rather have Mossimo roster than Dobens right now. Yeah, that's that's for. All right. Waiver wire pickups that you're focusing on this week.

I think that there are kind of. I'll say three, I guess, is four names, but three situations, there's the Chargers situation where Joshua Kelly and Justin Jackson, there's the cardinal situation with Kenyan Drake, though we think he'll be back out there. So Chase Edmunds probably rostered in a lot of leagues. But and then there's the Brown situation with Nick Chubb missing time into Ernest Johnson, who was an alliance of American football star that they signed and came in and had a big week last week.

How are you prioritizing those or do you include anybody else in that kind of category?

So if we're talking through all of the situations, I would I would be prioritizing the Chargers. And I think it's still Joshua Kelly would be the top player I would be going after. He's not he is the least available of the players that we have mentioned right here at the running back position. It was a bad game for Joshua Kelly, I get it, but he's going to have a ton of opportunity with Austin Ekeler out. But Justin Jackson will also be on the field and he projects more as a pass catcher like he has that skill set and he is excellent at it.

He's not Austin Ekeler, but he's he's good at it. And we'll have to fill that Austin Ekeler pass coaching role. So both of these guys are in play and I.

I believe I would prioritize Justin Jackson over Dennis Johnson from the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, I think that's where the question is, is Justin Jackson versus Direness Johnson? I go Direness Johnson. The upcoming schedule is not fantastic. We just talked about how great Indianapolis Colts, their defense is just been playing outstanding and after that is Pittsburgh. So that's not great. But I think this is a, you know, a six week injury for Nick Chubb, Dearness Johnson.

Pass the eyeball test in very small sample size, but when we were watching him play this last week in relief, he looked great, he ran well, and this is a team that has upgraded the offensive lines. Defense is coming in with a nice run scheme, I believe, in the scheme. So I think I would go Joshua Kelly, then Deerness Johnson. I'm also sad. I mean, super sad to see that Chase Edmunds roster percentages is twenty five percent on ESPN.

Thirty five percent Yahoo! I unfortunately have a lot of Kenyan Drake shares. I have not seen Chase Edmunds on a single waiver in any league ever that I am playing in. But if he's out there, he has to be rostered.

Yeah, I absolutely. Absolutely. But he would be behind those guys to me.

How do you have them, Andy? Are you going. Are you telling the Chargers of the Browns?

I think I'm attacking the charge, Joshua Kelly's number one, OK? And I believe that's one of those situations where I think Joshua Kelly is a more talented, well-rounded running back than Justin Jackson is. And so just based on a test of of seeing Jackson more last year and and Kelly this year. So that's where I put the priority. I do agree with Jason. Yesterday, we were kind of talking about the Brown situation and like surprised the Deerness.

Johnson got so much work and. Well, is that it was Kareem Hunt's groin, kind of why they you know, in the fact it was 41 to 14. Is that why you saw more Deerness Johnson than we expected? It's really what Jason said. It's a scheme situation both. It's not going to be all Kareem Hunt. They can put another player in, especially after he has a debut of 13 for ninety five or whatever it was.

So I think you will be able to flex Deerness Johnson as soon as this week if you're in a desperate situation, which could be a lot of people.

I mean, would you rather flex Chase Edmunds or would you rather flex Direness Johnson this week dearness Johnson. I mean, Kenyan Drake is not injured. He had this is an update we didn't we didn't give. He left the game with about three minutes left to go, did Kenyan Drake. But that was after a hit to the chest. He had the wind knocked out of him. If the game had been longer, he would have came back in the game.

He was not injured. He was already back at practice. Now, you mean overweight and slow or any other problem? I mean, you know, we're unhappy with Kenyan Drake, but he is not currently injured.

Well, let me let me tell you something. Chase Edmunds, six targets in week four. Do you know many targets Kenyan Drake has on the year? Oh, man.

Like six. It's five five five targets on the season. Edmunds in this last game, if there is a little bit of a change of pace here against the Jets, Edmunds is very interesting as a flex.

I certainly believe that the Arizona Cardinals are going to Cliff Kingsburg is going to take a look and make some changes. If you remember last season, the first four games of the year, the personnel groupings and the methodology of the offense for the Arizona Cardinals completely changed. I mean, after week four, they went from running, you know, eleven personnel all the time to to, you know, very low. And so I was listening to Kliff Kingsbury talk just about how putrid the offense was and saying he needs to make changes.

Now, that could be Chase Edmunds, but that could also be getting Kenyon Drake the ball in the passing game, which worked so well last year because we don't know, I would go Deerness. I had this thought as I was driving in, you know, reflecting of I wasn't in on Hopkins. I was I was concerned about the target share coming from Houston, moving over to Arizona. Will he get the same target share, which that is a resounding.

Yes, I was I was not correct. But in my process of factoring that in was Kenyan, Drake is still going to be a 12 to 15 percent target share player. That's what happened. This is what has happened to Kenyan Drake is Jan Hopkins has come in and soaked up all his targets. And my my final quick note here on why I am Justin Jackson over Deerness. Johnson is Dontrelle Hilliard is still on the Cleveland Browns. He was called up.

He saw some work as well this past week. So my I like what I saw from Deerness Johnson on Cleveland. But there there is a scenario where it's Kareem Hunt and then these two guys are the clean up work and they are splitting the cleanup work. Meanwhile, the Chargers, it's Joshua Kelly and Justin Jackson. That's it. There's no one else involved. There is a high likelihood that the Browns are in very competitive ballgames the next two weeks with the Colts and the Steelers.

Therefore, you could see a higher proportion of Kareem Hunt in high value situations.

I like everything you two are saying, makes complete sense. I like it. I don't disagree with any of it. That being said, I am going hard after Deerness. Johnson OK, ok, I you know that that means obviously I'm also going hard after Joshua Kelly, but unlike the wide receivers where I'm like, whatever, I'll, you know, I'll let the waivers clear or I'll put, you know, five percent of my budget on one of these guys.

I am going to roster Joshua Kelly or Direness Johnson, whatever that takes, if that's you know, because I don't I don't think people are going super hard after these players, not after Deerness Johnson.

Just name familiarity. If I know it's it's a trickle down here. If Kareem hunt the groin, Deerness Johnson's like a top ten back. Yeah.

Potentially in this offense because of how Stefanski is running it, they're the best running team in football.

Yeah, I would, I would certainly. I mean, I'm going 25 percent of my budget plus on Deerness.

Oh wow. Oh well I guess I won't be competing. Other running backs that I'm looking at. I mean, like Latavius Murray. Yeah, I think he just he happened to hit on the touchdown variance this week. Damian Harris, we've kind of already discussed him. He is. You pick him up and you put him on the bench, you can stash Keyshawn Barnett. Thank you. Sean Vaughn is the player I wanted to bring up specifically because the opportunity is here.

He he caught a touchdown, which was nice and not really expected here from the rookie from Tampa Bay. But you remember you remember Parks and Rec. Yeah, I mean, you remember Terry, Larry Dary. Yes. Right. Yes. You don't no matter where you pan the camera to see Terry, he would spill coffee on himself or he trip over something or he'd slam his shirt in the door. Sure. That's Ronald Jones. Yes. Ronald Jones.

When you put him on a pedestal, when you sat him out in front of where the eyeballs are on him, I mean, I guess I have openly defended, like, oh, his catch percentage is better than Peyton Barber.

Three times he had the most atrocious drops where I can't imagine what Bruce Arians is thinking.

And then if it's not an atrocious drop, it's a blitz pickup. If it's not a blitz pick up, it's a fumble. He can't get out of his own way.

The reason he had a high catch percentage was because they didn't throw him the ball outside of designed screens where it's like he knows this is happening now with Brady. He's out running around and they're not sure what's going on. And he's getting an unexpected pass.

You're saying he needs to be saying in his head, catch you catch, you catch, you catch, you catch it beforehand. I'm saying that's what he's already doing and he needs to stop and just catch the ball and run. He's going, oh, no, I got to catch up on top of that, Terry of the Ronald Jones, Donald Drops and Ronald Jones is still the starting running back for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

I don't I'm not projecting Vaughn's coming in and taking over. But Leonard Fournette, the the ankle. This is a. This has been a long term problem for Leonard Fournette, that's why he was out. I think he's going to miss a few weeks here as they try to heal this thing up. Shady McCoy, the other backup for Tampa Bay. He has agreed to ankle sprain. It's Ronald Jones. And Keyshawn Vaughn is now not just a better pass catcher than Ronald Jones.

He is necessary. I'm telling you this offense. If Ronald Jones drops another two passes the way he did this past week, Tom Brady's going to walk over and say, don't put him in the game because Brady, he doesn't want his completion percentage disintegrated by Ronald Reagan, doesn't want to drive.

I'd rather have Keshavan right now on the bench over Jaquet Dobbins if I had to pick between the two. OK, so they're in the same category, though. By the way, Mike, I just wanted to get a temperature, the Joshua Kelly or the Justin Jackson fab spined. What's the percentage of your budget you're looking for?

It depends on your your need. But so, I mean to do mine to my detriment.

What? Jason's writing something down. This was a personal note and all the way. I'm sorry. You're now exposed and you're now sharing it with the entire foot clan and they look.

All right. All right. Here. So here's the deal. We are fantasy football analysts. We do this for a career, for a living. We are also fantasy football players.

First, we make notes to ourselves. We are giving we're putting our waiver the today. Absolutely. I got to put my waiver, pick up Brooks, do mine.

And I made a note.

I've got Deerness Johnson written down here on my little boogie board and I wrote Get Him.

I squared it with a box because I, I'm making a personal note. I want to get the Ernest Johnson on my team.

Oh, I love it. And then and it's over. I just took a little peek. I didn't know, you know, maybe it was something show related, maybe what's funny.

So then your you about just like to my detriment because the listener league they are listening. I mean I will be because I have a very strong running back need on that team and I think I have like it's a fourteen t'mar. I already went hard in the paint after Mike Davis, so my budget is low. I've got something like thirty, something fabulous. I'll probably drop the all of it, nearly all of it except for one or two points or bucks, whatever remaining.

I'm going after those guys. All right. Tight end drop candidates from Twitter and IG. Are you dropping Evan Ingram.

Oh I yeah I ten targets. I'm not dropping. I'm not with what's out there at tight end. Well in the Met this week. Goodness Grimes be Tyler Higbee. No I'm not dropping Tyler Higbee. No I even with the reality that I think Eddie and I were on before the season that is kind of come true where sure it's not a Higbee thing, it's higbee and ever and ever. And but that being said, the Titans are so crappy.

Twenty first. First twenty first 31st. Yeah, titans are so crappy that I'm still going to keep a tight end that has the potential to have first a couple more times this season. Hayden Hurst. How many targets did he have last night, it wasn't great. I think he had quite a few. Yeah, I mean, target wise is OK six.

So it's six targets. Four. Four fifty one. I'm not I yeah. You're not dropping him. But that man in a massive recovery has zero receptions. Julio Jones leaves the game four and a half. And you're Hayden Hurst. You're only coming through with four receptions. That's it's.

Why was Hayden hesitant? I'm telling you, because he was never he had never done it yet. Right. So, no, I wouldn't I wouldn't be dropping any of those players because it's your only dropping them for somebody else. Now, if you if you could drop Hayden Hurst for four, there's only one side, Robert Titanyen. He's on his own, by the way. That's the problem, right? There's only one tight end on our list that I would be.

I'll make the move from those three. Is it Blake? Darwan? Yeah, it is Blake. Darwan, actually. With a pen name. Yes. A.K.A. Dalton Schultz from the Dallas Cowboys, who for four seventy two and one eight targets, he came through again, delicious matchups on the docket here for the Dallas Cowboys, the Giants, Arizona, Washington. The role is secure. They're going to have to throw the ball forty to fifty times, apparently.

And Dalton Schultz. Just ehow me and my internal dialogue with Donald Infeld's is hilarious because, like Donald Schultz deserves actual credit as a human being.

Yes, he does. And you're done. And yet Mike can only see the shadow of what Blake Jarman could have been in this office, because I think we'd all admit, Blake, drones are more athletic, tight end than Dalton Schultz is. He's a better offensive weapon. Yes, Mike could be just basking in his own glory here, making the call and Blake Jones so early in the year, I really whiffed on it.

Mike, what a failure. What a loser. I can't be proven right. I can't be proven wrong. That's what I will say this. If Blake Zartman were healthy, he would be the tight end, five or higher right now. OK, I can't argue with it.

I have no way to do that. I have to say these things I know.

Now, what if the reality was that Dalton Schultz is better than we thought and they would actually be splitting time and neither one would be valued? That's stupid.

Don't say that. OK, what about Jimmy Old is Alexander Graham Bell. That's the newest line from every time we open our show, Doc and Jimmy Graham's name is in here. He's got a new nickname from Kyle. I love it like this. Dalton Schultz and I will pick him up. I will play him if you can stash if somehow you have a spot and you want to stash Robert Duncan Harding, I will do it.

I'll stash him. But that is it. You could probably stash him really cheap. Sure. Because of the bike week, I don't know.

I think people will chase it. I don't think they'll recognize someone in every league is going to not recognize that he's on by pick them up, you know, look for the drops afterwards. Also, speaking of the drops, this is a reminder to drop it like it's hot. Usually when the waivers run, look at who was dropped. I can flat out promise you the Kenyan Drake will be dropped in. He'll be dropped in some places, in plenty of leagues.

And so check your league, Jason. Yeah. Yeah. From people. That's what they always say. Oh, it would never happen. And then they go check in and sure enough, it's happened. So look for, you know, not just Drake, but whoever has been dropped in NC. I will throw one last Tienen name out. It's a huge name. It's Gigantor. I'm picking him up.

I am like, you've got my question for Ali Kocsis, his name from the Colts. My question for you, Jason, and for us was simply, is he is he real or is he not just a fabrication of a fairy tale? He is a real option for fantasy players because it's one catch last week or so.

And here's why. Last week was terrible. First of all, you had Trey Burton activated. Jack Doyle was out there and he only ran Moily. Cox only ran seven routes. So the process says, well, stay away. And so I'm fine with that. This isn't me telling everybody, go out and sign Molly Cox. Now, we've been telling people that over the last several weeks when he had the opportunity, the opportunity is going down. That being said, he has proven himself to be a valuable weapon to this offense and they haven't needed him.

They've been in these games where they're just dominating fools. And so, yeah, he only ran seven routes. He ended up with a touchdown. And I'm looking at, like, you know, Hayden Hurst, Hayden, who's going to have way more targets, way more routes run, and at the end of the day, is going to end up with like four for forty. So if I get my like one for thirteen and a touchdown, I'm probably outscoring them.

You are, but you could be zero. All right. That's four.

We've got to move on defensive options this week. The Cardinals take on Joe Flacco and the Jets. Dallas takes on the Giants. The Giants offense is one of the worst things I've had to witness this year. Daniel Jones has to choose between throwing a pick or handing it to Devonta Freeman. That is not a good option in the offense. Dallas is such a bad defense.

But I would still be I would be looking at getting a defensive score in this one as as a potential for Houston against Jacksonville, Houston.

Will they rally? What do we get the narrative with Romeo Crennel, the narrative bump of new coach? No, I'm not interested. OK, Jacksonville Jaguars. No, I'm not interested.

Kansas City against the Raiders. Sure. Absolutely. If they're out there, which they seem to be in ESPN leagues, at least Kansas City is an option. Let's talk quarterbacks.

Full stream ahead. All right, let's talk streaming quarterback options for the upcoming week with the waivers processing tomorrow. It was down to a few names for me, but I'll go with one that had a. An unexpected bye week, and that is Big Ben himself gets the week off to head to Philadelphia to take on the Eagles. He is he's pretty roster, but with the bye week, he was probably dropped in a lot of leagues. You have an opportunity to pick him up.

Deontay Johnson with the concussion got the week an extra week off its primary target. And Big Ben's had three solid games. This is the type of streamer I want as a fantasy player. If I have Aaron Rodgers on by and I am looking for somebody that's not going to sink me could give me his first huge game of the week. It's Big Ben against the Eagles. Yeah. If Big Ben is out there, he would be the pick up and the play.

And I will say this. I see the roster percentages being a little bit high. But, you know, maybe it's anecdotal, but I know in the leagues I'm playing in, Big Ben was dropped a lot of places. I personally had to drop Big Ben because he wasn't playing football. So, yeah, he's out there. And if he is, he should be picked up, played ahead of these other guys. But I'm going with Kirk Cousins.

I like it. Set your phasers to at least stun. Yeah, because the matchup at Seattle is good, but more so. The reason why is because of Justin Jefferson first. Yes. I mean, you have this offense coming into their own a little bit. Obviously, he wasn't fantastic this week, but two weeks ago he was hurt by Justin Jefferson. No, I'm talking about Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins is he's out there. He's available.

You can get him in just about every league.

And, you know, with Justin Jefferson, with Adam Thielen, you still have to good pass catching tight ends and Dalvin cool down because just as likely to have a forty yard screen as he is a forty yard carry that's taken to the floor like those two sweet Patrick Mahomes touchdowns last night.

The one foot touchdown passes. I'm so thankful to to Andy Reid for so many things the past, but the fact that he chooses to go the pass in front instead of behind and he gets two touchdowns out of it. Tyreek Hill, Michael Harmon. It's amazing. It is. All right. So Kirk Cousins, he was in consideration for me.

I love the picture and I'm going to, I'm this, I'm just throwing out Daniel Jones as well because I know it's risky. I'm throwing him out. Yes I know I'm throwing him right out into the garbage. I think he could have a monster game. Right. Could also.

He is risky business. Yes, he is.

He's very high variance. I'm throwing out Teddy Bridgewater. He gets to take on Atlanta. We finally got a treat. That is, we finally saw Teddy Bridgewater come through with a big fantasy day. Two hundred and seventy six passing yards and two touchdowns that I mean, I know he had the rushing score and it was nice to see Teddy Bridgewater finally running around for years and years after the injury. But what's wild about Teddy Bridgewater? He's touchdown percentage is still sitting at 2.8 percent.

He is still underperforming in the touchdown category. Thanks, T.J..

More compared to the just the league average. And the Falcons are like, hold up. So so I like Teddy Bridgewater a lot. He's probably in terms of available. He's my favorite streamer. Jason throughout out, Daniel Jones. And Andy, I don't think you like this one, but I'm in with Justin Herbert versus the New Orleans Saints. They I think that's going to be a disaster. So we can we can disagree on that one and we'll figure out a bet for that one.

I love use a strong streaming candidates. I love the player. But when you're a when you're a rookie and you face Sean Payton's team at team with this kind of pedigree, I know that they're hurting on the in the secondary, but I don't trust herbut to take advantage of it against them. So risky business. Do I want to play Daniel Jones or Justin Herbert. You got to go. I would go, Daniel Jones, because the upside of both of these players, I think it Daniel Jones could be the quarterback one.

I don't know if Justin Herbert has that in him yet. All right.

I like the Bridgewater picked on, Mike. I think that's a good one. Atlanta's defense, they look at Arizona and they aspire to be Arizona. He lost six cornerbacks and you might say, but you don't play with six cornerbacks and you are correct.

So I had to check the news this morning because I didn't I mean, Quinn Quinn is on the list to be shot. The door. I mean, when he's on the list to be O'Brien, he's on the list to be O'Brien and so is Adam Gase. If he loses this next week. Although do you keep a guy that gets you Trevor Lawrence, do you not?

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