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We want out, we want out, we want out, weFor those of you guys that don't know Gary, he's a human biologist.

He's co founder of 10X Health. Just started a new podcast, The Ultimate Human, which is absolutely crushing, right?Thank.

You.congrats..

We've become friends with Gary and your family, Cole and Madison and stuff, pretty much Dana White, which we'll get into, too. But we thought it'd be cool to have you on. It's a different type of episode for us, too. We might be asking some dumb down questions because our audience is great. This is new to our audience, too. I feel like we're going to ask some just normal type.

What's cool is we've been on a health journey, too. Together, we originally connected, not through social media or any of these other things. We originally connected because you guys wanted to flick that switch and go on this health journey.

I met you at that UFC party. You remember I wouldn't get off of him?

Do you have that photo? Yeah. You almost choked me to death at a bar one night. Yeah, that was a lot.

What are you thinking right there? Were you just like...

I just felt like it was an overwhelming amount of man love going on. His photo. Yeah, there it is. There's... See? I was talking. Yeah. Was it Sugar Sean or something? I think it was Islam. It was somebody that you guys were connected with and you couldn't handle it. I was like, Dude, I am not fighting you right now. I am I got your opponent. You literally got me in a rear naked joke in a bar.

I was just nervous.

I'm looking at your security guard like, Bro, can you get your dude off me? Or does this only work one way? So I'm sure if I was choking him, you'd fuck me up. I'm sorry. But I'm turning purple here. You're just hanging out.

Tell us how you started 10X Health. How did that come about?

Well, I was actually in the mortality space. I was a mortality researcher. For big life insurance companies. So if we got 10 years of medical records on you and 10 years of demographic data, we could tell the insurance company how long you had to live to the month. And that database where we got all that information from, if that database could see the light of day, it would permanently change the face of humanity. It would upend modern medicine in a way that would be catastrophic, because they have real data on human beings. Insurance companies know the day, the date the time, the location, and the cause of death for hundreds of millions of lives. So it's not what we think is causing it. It's what we know is causing it. And you go back into the medical record, you go back into the demographic data, and you go, here are the changes, here are the life changes that these people made or the mistakes that they made that shortened their lifespan, that shortened their health span. And the sad thing was in that industry, I was not allowed. I'm not licensed practice medicine, for the record.

I'm not a physician. I'm a human biologist. So I was not I'm allowed to have any contact with the patient, any contact with the treating physician. So even if I was looking at your medical record, you were applying for a large life insurance policy, and I saw a life-threatening drug interaction. I couldn't let you know about it. I couldn't even contact your physician to let them know. And I saw over and over and over again, I read medical records for a living and pulled the medical information out and put it into a database to predict life expectancy. And I saw over and over and over again, modern medicine attempting to do the right thing, but causing severe illness, making conditions worse, going to treat cholesterol and causing somebody to crash their hormones and not be able to make cell walls and cell membranes and getting sicker. Or they would have deficiencies in simple things like vitamin D3, which 50% of the people watching this podcast on right now, are clinically deficient. And 85% of the African-Americans and Latino and dark, complexed populations are deficient in just this little nutrient that we make from the sun.

This deficiency leads to all kinds of conditions that we chalk up to the consequence of aging. You know, weight gain, water retention, poor sleep, poor focus and concentration, poor immune response. It was the second leading cause of morbidity in COVID was a deficiency in vitamin D3. This is an easy thing to supplement with. If it goes on long enough, you'll walk into a doctor's office with rheumatoid arthritis-like symptoms. You don't have rheumatoid arthritis, but your soul's your feet ache when you get out of bed in the morning, your hips and your ankles hurt. It's hard to make a fist sometimes. The wrong doctor will look at you and say, You know what, Kyle? You got rheumatoid arthritis. I'm going to put you on something called a corticosteroid, and you're just going to take this pill for the rest of your life. You start taking this pill, and then six months later, I mean, six years later, you're having a joint replacement. Then once you have a joint replacement, you don't ambulate as well. You're not as mobile. As soon as you start to reduce your mobility, now all of these diseases from your future that you never would have had start to come into your present because sitting is the new smoking.

Sedentary lifestyle is the leading cause of all-cause mortality right now. I watched this go. What?

Just sitting and working like an office job?

Sitting and working like an office. I mean, human beings don't move. Aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. The more aggressively we pursue comfort, the faster we age. That's why back in the biohacking lab, there's all kinds of stuff to make you uncomfortable. Steam rooms, saunas, cold plunches, Because we got to stop thinking about stress as something that's negative. We got to stop telling grandma not to go outside. It's too hot, not to go outside. It's too cold. Just to sit down, just to relax, to eat at the very first pang of hunger. This is collapsing all of our natural defense mechanisms. We were meant to spend more than 85% of our time outside. Human beings spend 97% of our time indoors. We regulate everything. 97? 97%. What the on average? Think about how you got here today. You woke up in a covered house. You went to a covered garage. You got in a covered car. You pulled into a covered garage. You came up a covered elevator. We're in a covered house now. I mean, there's sunlight coming through the window, but the chances of you spending a large percentage of your time outside.

So what happens When you do that, you're disconnected from nature. Think about the last time you had bare feet touching bare soil like dirt, grass, sand. Human beings discharge into the Earth. Earthing and grounding is a very real thing. And think of the amount of sunlight the average person gets. It's not that we are getting too much sun. We're not getting enough sun. The human body only makes one vitamin. If I pulled your bloodwork right now, you could see hundreds of vitamins in your bloodstream. You're only capable of making one. Which is? Vitamin D3. So when God made us, he made us with the ability to make one vitamin. So how important do you think that vitamin is to human function? And as we move from outdoors to indoors, that level has plummeted. And now You see a rise in all these things like cardiovascular disease and hypothyroid and hypertension and all kinds of mental illnesses. I don't think that we have a mental illness crisis in this country. I think we have a lack of mental fitness. We don't think about caring for our minds, caring for our bodies. We just aggressively seek comfort, and we age a lot faster.

If you look at life expectancy for the first time in measured history, it's beginning to go backwards for the first time. Really? Yeah. Life expectancy is not really being extended by modern life.

What's the main reason behind that?

The main reason that life expectancy extended was sewers, the invention of sewers, and sanitation. Clean water. Clean water and Getting waste away from you and getting clean water in you. That was the biggest jump in life expectancy. Then there was another big jump with antibiotics. But since then, if you look at cancer treatments, heart treatments, cardiovascular surgeries, the incidence of diabetes and all These chronic diseases, which, by the way, start in very young ages. That's why I tell everybody that you should get, this is your temple. You should get data on this like we did with you guys. I mean, your transformation was amazing. I mean, a lot of people saw it. They saw what went on on the outside. I got to see what went on on the inside. That was where the real game was for me.

What's he taking?

So he's taking peptides, right? Aminoacid peptides. He's taking Peptides that are actually helping to naturally raise his testosterone level. He's taking a vitamin... By the way, can I? Yeah, sure. Okay, cool. I can't just go on about his medical records. But he's taking vitamin D3. He's taking a multivitamin that's specific to his deficiencies. We tested his genes. We looked at five special genes in him, and we found out what his body could process and what it couldn't. And then we just gave his body that deficiency. You see, most people, in fact, most that are listening to this podcast right now, they're walking around maybe 50 or 60 % of their true state of normal. They have no idea how good normal feels. They are just a few nutrients away from feeling like a superhuman, sleeping like a bear, having the waking energy of a tiger, having the libido of a lion, having a strong or healthy response to exercise, clean, clear cognitive function, strong waking energy. But we don't get data on our bodies. I take entrepreneurs all the time, sometimes when I'm on stage, and I'll bring them up on stage, and I'll ask them questions about their business, and I'll say, Hey, how much money did your business make last month?

Oh, I made $662,000. Oh, what was your net profit? $144,300. How many employees do you have? 17. What's your revenue for an employee? 70,000. What's your hemoglobin A1c? Three-month average year blood sugar. Where's your cholesterol? Any idea what your testosterone level is? Nothing. They have no data on the temple. They know more about their business than they know about their bodies. I think this is what my message is about. Go out and get some data on your body, gamify your health, and then just watch Every aspect of the rest of your life, just crush it.

Just like anything else you would do. And yeah, whether it's entrepreneurship, you need the data, you need the numbers on what you're doing to achieve something.

So outside of not being as mobile, what are the other unhealthiest things people are Well, the sad thing is that our food supply, water supply is really contaminated.

And by contaminated, I mean, we purposely put chemicals into our water supply, fluoride, chlorine. The human beings are not meant to ingest in large quantities. So think about, I tell people there's three things you should get out of your life if you're listening to this podcast. Number one is tap water. Stop drinking tap water. It's full of fluoride, especially United States. Full chlorine It's full of microplastics, even pharmaceuticals now. So what we did was during the industrial revolution or the agricultural revolution, we started making fertilizers called phosphate fertilizers. And when you make a fertilizer, you have a waste product called floralcylic acid. We didn't know what to do with this waste product because if we left it in the fertilizer, it would kill the seed. We took it out of the fertilizer and we decided to put it in our municipal water supply as fluoride. We know now it's not up for debate. The science is on my Instagram. If you want to see the links to it, the National Toxicology program just put a big, huge clinical study out about it. We put this fluoride in our drinking water. It's a neurotoxin. Then the way that we raise our food, we spray our food with something called glyphosphates.

This is found in Roundup. Glyphosphates is one of those chemicals that's so deadly that it actually kills the seed. Then we genetically modified the seed. Now you have this glyphosphate in our food. You have this fluoride in our water. We're micropoisoning ourselves all the time.

What's the reason that they're putting the fluoride in the water and the phosphate on it? What's their logic for that?

Their logic is that it prevents dental decay. There is very, very, very marginal, horrifically weak data that marginally indicates that there might be a slight positive impact on protecting the enamel of teeth with fluoride. They jumped on that and they said, now we have a place to dump all of this industrial waste, this fluorosilic acid that we're getting from making fertilizer. So we're going to dump it in municipal water supplies. But without an exception-That's fucked. Dude, it's super fucked up. Without an exception, if you look at the municipalities that put fluorine in their water, as fluoride goes up, IQ goes down. So the more fluorine in the water, the lower the IQ. That's a material fact. In 52 of the 54 studies that they did, they found an inverse relationship between IQ and and fluoride. I tell people to wake up and just take charge of your own health, get some data on your body, put an imaginary fence around yourself and Filter things before they get to your body rather than letting your body be the filter.

What's one common thing that you see in your patients that they lack, that you see in their data?

One common thing that we see, and I don't want to use the word patient because I'm not a doctor, but clients that I work with because I have a huge clinical team. My doctors always do the treatments on the patients. But we see the start in very, very, very young populations. I'm talking about people in their 20s. There's something called metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is one of the leading causes of cardiovascular disease, which is the leading cause of death. We think of cardiovascular disease and heart attacks and all this stuff is shit that happens to old people. Oh, yeah, my grandfather died of a heart attack. My great grandma, she died of a stroke. But this doesn't start in late in ages. This starts early in life. It just nibbles away at you. What's metabolic syndrome? Abdominal obesity, poor cholesterol, poor HDL cholesterol, poor blood sugar, what's called hemoglobin A1c, very high levels of insulin, high levels of fat in the blood. If you have two of those five, you have metabolic syndrome. We see five of those five in younger and younger 20 somethings all the time right now. It's easy to change. We call it a modifiable risk factor.

Stop eating GMO foods, stop drinking taff water, get seed oils out of your life, get some data on your body. You materially will change the entire trajectory of your life doing simple things. Expose your skin to sunlight, take your shoes off and touch the surface of the Earth. Learn to do a little bit of breathwork, take a cold shower. Simple things that you can use to challenge your life, challenge your body and strengthen it. How much better is your business running now that you guys are paying attention to your health?

A lot.

Everything works well after the gym.

Dude, this dude comes in and he's like, Man, I'm going to the gym right after this. I feel freaking great. Meant four meals a day. I feel great.

Yeah. Well, I think it's like what you said, and you say it's your drug of choice, which is that referring to the cold punch? Yeah, the cold punch. Or just everything in general?

Yeah, I mean, everything in general. But my real drug of choice is the cold punch. Yeah. Because Dana was talking about it on a podcast. What, cocaine buzz last 9 to 12 minutes. Cold punch last 6 hours.

Is it the same buzz, though?

Well, I guess we could run a clinical trial on it. Do you want to participate? Do some testing tonight? Yeah, we do some testing.

I don't even know how the cold punch feels, but yeah.

Okay. Come on. You didn't want to go to another plunge. I'm on exciting.

I prefer the cold punch.

Yeah. It doesn't alter your face or anything.

You know what I mean?

Yeah. It doesn't alter your face. It doesn't make your mouth lock shut.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

They're not just like the place where cocaine is accessible and the places that cold punches are accessible. How do we get a cold plunge in 11:00 at 6:00 AM? Yeah. One like you're a little too hammered and you really want to get this check on. You know what I mean?

They should put I know the owner of 11. I'm going to talk to him about putting cold punches in there. Maybe drop the drug. You don't have to go into the stall, brother. Just bang a right and just get in the cold punch for five minutes and go back.How.

Bad is cocaine for the body?

It's actually not the cocaine. It's what's in the cocaine right now. I mean, cocaine is Russian roulette nowadays. It's not the cocaine of ten years ago. There's so much fentanyl in street drugs, and it's creeping into things that you wouldn't even consider to be street drugs. And so it's Russian roulette because 10 years ago- That's a scary thing. Yeah. I mean, if you're out partying, there was not a lot of likelihood that it was laced with fentanyl. And fentanyl is one of those drugs where you're fine, you're fine, you're fine, you're dead. I mean, you read about it in the paper here in Miami all the time. Once you guys come down, you have golf buddies. They party one time a year. They get together, they go out, they go to a club, they get a hold of something like that. And then fentanyl, they get on the wrong side of that. It catches up with them.

So what? Cocaine without fentanyl is not as bad? Or like...

Well, I'm just... Listen, a lot of our audience probably does cocaine. I'm not taking the bait, man.

No, I'm just actually asking.

What are the effects if it doesn't have fentanyl the next day?

Not nearly the risk that if it had fentanyl. Same with marijuana. The effects of marijuana without fentanyl are going to be a lot riskier if there's fentanyl.

Would you say drinking is worse than cocaine?

That's an interesting question. I think that cocaine is riskier. Right? I mean, it's cocaine could kill you. You'd have to drink a lot to die. But there are no studies supporting safe levels of alcohol anymore. There used to be a bunch of junk studies that said a drink a day keeps the doctor or the French have lower cardiovascular disease because they drink a bunch of wine. That's complete nonsense.

The D-gens made those up.

Yeah. But it's not the alcohol. It's what the alcohol becomes. That's why actually I'm a fan of your brand because you guys are at least trying to, I'm not going to say alcohol is healthy, but you're making a healthy alternative. You're at least taking steps to say, Hey, look, we know everybody's going to drink, and I don't have an issue with it either. But if you're going to, at least drink the cleanest thing that you can. That's why I'm I'm a fan of your product. I'm a fan of tequilas because it's going to happen. So we can just mitigate some of those risks.

What's the worst thing you could drink? Bier?

Bier is one of the worst.

In terms of if you want to get shredded.

Oh, dude, then it's the worst thing. Because think of where beer comes from. Hops, wheat, barley, grains. These are sprayed with folic acid. 44% of the population can't even process folic acid. First of all, you get the inflammation from that. It's destroying your mood. There's empty calories in in most beers. But a lot of times it's what the alcohol comes from. Grains, potatoes, hops, barley, really cheap sources, the GMO foods. So when it comes from those sources, it's in that alcohol, and then you put that into your body. I mean, look what happens when you reduce the amount of drinking that you're doing, or you switch from things like beers, which are just full of empty calories and inflammatories to other things like a seltzer or clean tequila and water. It's a material change in how you feel the next day. Remember, 44% of the population can't process those grain-based-How do you make the whole, if you're partying, going out for a night drinking, how can you make it the healthiest and least risk of a hangover? Hydrate and B vitamins.

If I'm about to go out, I just want to drink as much water as possible.

Yeah, drink water, drink water. Cocktails water, cocktail water, cocktail water. Because first it's the dehydration, and then it's the amount that's processed through the liver. The alcohol becomes something called acetal aldehyde. That's the poison that goes up and makes you feel like shit. And then you get acidic, and that's why you just don't feel well. If you wake up in the morning, actually do some breathwork. If you had access to breathe oxygen, but if you could just wake up in the morning, get out in the sunlight and do some breathwork, get in a cold plunge, get in a steam room, and hydrate again, you can be over a hangover in 90 minutes.

With talking about hydration, why do you think hydrogen water is the best? Because you were explaining to earlier.

Hydrogen water is the best water you can put in a human body. That little thing that I gave you right there, that's from Echo H2O, Echo Water. That little thing, you pour your spring water in there, you pour your bottle of water in there, and you hit that little button, and it adds hydrogen ions. There are 1400 studies on the positive impact of hydrogen on human beings. They're looking at it for things like Parkinson's and neurodegenerative disorders. But it helps you digest food. It helps you break down your supplements. It feeds a whole class of bacteria in your gut called Hydrophiles. It's the way it occurs naturally in streams that are running in nature. If you can take your water and pour it in one of those things, turn that thing on and put the hydrogen ions in there and then drink it, game-changer. You let me know how you feel in a few weeks.I'm.

Going to try it. It's a game changer.

We were talking about it before. This drinking thing, too, because I think a lot of people want to know. How do you, like Steiny said, when you're out and you're trying to... Let's say we're... Because I was trying to do this, too. I was trying to get shredded. I'm obviously going to go out and party once a week. That's what I tried to do. How do you When you're drinking something, what are you looking for? Are you looking at the calories? Are you looking at the carbs?

I'm looking at the source. The best alcohol is tequila. It comes from agave. It's processed liver through the liver. It also is not grain-based. So the green-based alcohols are a little worse. And then you have seltzers and clear alcohols. So you guys are right there. Then full-bodied red wines and then everything else. I would put beers and sweet-infused alcohols at the very bottom. I mean, there's nothing worse than sugar and alcohol. Those two, that is a deadly combination. Because the sugar will get processed first, the alcohol build up, and then it'll all hit the liver and you'll feel like death.

It's like a sugary, like a Red Bull Vodka.

Like twisted tease.

Yeah, like twisted tease or like peach snops or like any of those- Those are 26 grams of sugar a pop. Dude, that's insane. You could put down like Vodka Red Bull. Oh, my God. A full sugar Red Bull and a Vaca.

That's the caffeine, too. Yeah.

You feel like you can't be killed by a bullet until four in the morning, and then the next day, you feel like you got steam rolled. That is the worst. The worst hangover is high sugar and high alcohol in combination on an empty stomach. That is an absolute recipe for a disaster.

I don't drink Red Bull Vaca.

Not drinking on an empty stomach will mitigate it. Hydrating while you drink will mitigate it. Drinking seltzers or tequilas will mitigate it. But at some point, not alcohol is enough.

Wine has a lot of sugar, though, doesn't it? Is it like five grams of sugar in a glass of wine?

Especially like white wines, white wines and Proseccos and things like that. Super high in sugar. I mean, if you ever get really, really wasted, wine wasted or champagne wasted.

Wine hangovers are the worst.

What's the difference between calories and like wine or red wine and white wine then?

Red wine tends to have fewer calories, full body red wines than most Whites, like Chardonnays and Proseccos and Rieslings. Those are super high in sugar. You look around a club at night and everybody's just slamming champagne. They feel amazing because the carbonation actually gets the alcohol in your body faster. Then the alcohol hits you, and then there's some caffeine in there, too. So you're up all night. And then when that sugar and alcohol hits you, that is a steamroller.

The wine is good for your heart. Is there truth in that?

Resveratrol is good for your heart. That's what's in red wine. So you can take resveratrol and not get the alcohol. You don't need the alcohol to combine with the resveratrol. Resveratrol is amazing. Lengthens telomeres. It's a telomerase lengthener, which is one of the measures of how old you are biologically. It's good for your cardiovascular system. Resveratrol is amazing. I take resveratrol every day.

This is the most Degen health podcast.

Dude, we just went right off a cliff. I thought we were going to talk about my journey in the health space. You're like, Is cocaine better than tequila? I think a lot And everybody in the background here, by the way, is taking notes. They're like, okay, stop the cocaine. I think our whole audience has a note right now. I swear to God.

No, this will be huge for a lot of people.

What got you so curious into this whole health stuff? When did you start with that?

It was a career that I regretded, which ended up being the greatest gift to me. I went to undergraduate for biology. I went to grad school for human biology. And then when I graduated, I got into the space in the insurance space, which I was fascinated by the data. I was like, I get to read medical records and crunch all this data. And we built this model called a probabilistic model. Very accurate, by the way. I get a lot of flack on line about it. Like, well, if you could predict how many more months somebody had left on Earth, you'd be Jesus, or you would have won a Nobel Prize. It's not my science. It's the science from the industry. It's some of the most accurate science in the world. I mean, there's no other financial services industry on the planet that would take that level of risk on a single variable. When an insurance company is getting ready to put $25 million worth of risk on your life or $50 million worth of risk on your life, only one thing matters. How many more months do you have left on Earth? They are very good at predicting that.

If you look at what happened in a 2008, 2009 financial services crisis, we had 364 banks fail. You didn't have a single insurance company fail, not one. So they're very good at what they do. A valid death claim in the United States has never failed to have been paid, ever. They're very accurate at what they do. It's because they follow the data. I mean, watch what starts happening to people that have had multiple vaccinations and multiple boosters. You're going to see that it becomes more and more difficult, if not impossible, to get large life insurance policies. Why? Because they're following the mortality data. The same thing is true with certain pharmaceuticals. We knew about the opioid crisis, that they were addictive long before you started hearing about it because we would actually see it in the medical record. Holy crap, this person had back surgery and they got on pain medication. They never got off. They just went from this doctor to that doctor, to this doctor, to that doctor. They're 8, 9, 10 years down the road. Pain's gone. They're still on pain medication. So then we would start to use that to impact their mortality.

And what really started to bother me was after doing this for so long, I was so lost in that industry. All I wanted to do was be wealthy. And here I was just predicting when people were going to die. I had this massive amount of knowledge. I wasn't making a positive impact on anyone. And eventually, I just realized that there were human beings on the other side of these spreadsheets. It wasn't just data. I left that industry abrupty, and I said, I'm not going to spend one more minute of my life predicting how soon people are going to die. I'm going to spend the rest of my life trying to help people live healthier, happier, longer lives. And so I started a company called Streamlined Medical Group with my kids and my fiance at the time. And we got bought by Grant Cardone about four years later. So Streamlined Medical Group became 10X Health, and then he and his team helped us scale it. So it's really blown up. We did 20,000 genetic tests last month. So That's a lot. The message is resonating. And I'm always cautious to remind myself and remind my partners and our employees that this message doesn't belong to us.

It belongs to humanity. I'm blessed enough to have this flow through me, but this is not my message. And the more that we understand that humanity just needs this information, somebody to sieve through all of the nonsense and to say, here are some simple things you can do to change the trajectory of your life. And it's been awesome being a part of so many people's lives that have changed. I blew up because of Dana White in a big way because his transformation was so profound. So many people saw that and they go, holy shit. But what I hope people take away from that is not that it was super expensive because it wasn't, but maybe I can do the same thing. And you guys have done it. Yeah.

Do you think people get scared away because health care, this stuff, it is expensive.

Yeah.

So for people that might not have it like that, or they look at like, oh, well, Dana's got all this money. Of course, you can make that transformation. So I think people might be unmotivated by that. Yeah.

But you know what's not expensive? Sunlight, touching the surface of the Earth, doing breathwork, taking a cold shower, not drinking tap water. As soon as you start to get some money, put a fence around yourself, start eating organic foods. I'm not saying you have to be a vegan, vegetarian, raw food diet. You have to be carnivore overnight. There's no specific diet. Just eat wholefoods. If your great grandmother wouldn't recognize it, you probably shouldn't eat it. We take so many things out of a rapper. Foods are not meant to be mauve and pink and chartrews and purple. We put so many of these food dyes and everything. So you can simplify things and making massive impact on the trajectory of your life. I think part of the reason why 10X Health has blown up the way that it has is just because the message is really resonating. People are like, okay, I really do need to get some data on my body. I really do need to just make some simple changes and choices in my life that will affect every touch point in my life. And I keep coming back to you guys because your audience is a younger audience.

And don't make the mistake that youth is an excuse for before not taking care of yourself. Is that-Makes sense.

That goes away. I think, too. Catches up to you. When you see, I think we're at that age where it's like, I'm turning 30 this year. So my goal, too, is I want to be healthy. We have the time now to do it right now. There's no point in waiting till we're 40 or 50. The fact that we have that opportunity right now to be healthy is so crazy.

Because I get a hold of a lot of people, not when it's too late, but there's a lot to unwind, right? When you put 30 years of bad decisions on yourself, and then you wake up one day and you're like, shit, now I have all the money that I ever wanted. My kids are out of the house. I can finally start to enjoy life. But my feet and ankles hurt so damn bad when I get out of bed first thing in the morning. I don't really care to travel. And you'd be surprised how many people are just accepting these things as a consequence of aging. And they're not. I feel the best I've ever felt. I'm out of my mind. I feel the best I've ever felt in my life. And I'm 53. I'll be 54 this year. So I work out with my son. I travel intensely. My kids are part of my business. We see clients together. We travel together. We're like, your health is everything. You only got one temple.

Health as well. This is off top as well. Talking about the youth, how bad is this whole vape and addiction to nicotine?

Well, it's not just the addiction to nicotine. It's the vehicle that we're using to get nicotine into kids. Because when I was growing up, everybody was smoking cigarettes, and then it became really gross and uncool to smoke cigarettes. But it's super easy to vape. It smells like blueberry. Pull it out. Yeah. And it doesn't infect the rest of the room. I mean, if I were vaping the people over there not choking to death. So it was almost better that people smoked because smoking made your hands stink, made your clothes smell. People in the restaurants, they outlawed it. In restaurants, it in restaurants. It became a lot harder to smoke cigarettes. Smell like shit.

Yeah, I never thought about that.

Yeah, and smell like shit. That's a good take on that. But now it's just super easy and super accessible.

How actually bad is it for your body?

Well, it's really bad for your body. I mean, nicotine is right up there with heroine in terms of its level of addiction. What the fuck? Yeah, not in terms of the damage.

Okay, you said addiction. I was about to say, all right. Yeah, an addiction.

I thought it was like... I was like, I'm fucked.

No, I heard addiction. I was like, okay, okay, okay.

I really didn't realize this whole podcast is going to be about drugs and smoking and drinking. This is maybe the first time I've ever spent this much time on that. But you think about it. But now, it's like I saw Andrew Tate talking about smoking cigars the other day, and somebody asked him. They're like, well, if you smoke cigars, but you're against vaping, he's like, Yeah, I know what's in this cigar. It's tobacco. And you know, chopped tobacco and the roll. And he's like, When I look at a vape pen, I'm like, Tobacco doesn't come in pumpkin spice. So what's happening to that? How are they creating that pumpkin spice? Well, that's a chemical. And some of these are forever chemicals. So nicotine causes damage, but these forever chemicals can cause permanent damage. Popcorn lung. So you see respiratory disease in younger and younger and younger ages now. Permanent respiratory disease, what they call popcorn lung in really young ages. Kids are starting to vape at 11 years old now.

All right, I'm quitting.

How about Zins?

How about Zins? I haven't really checked those out. Is that just nicotine?

It's like the pouches.

Yeah, I'd rather you take straight nicotine pouches than... I mean, nicotine in small doses is linked to being a neurotropic.

It's actually-So Zins are confirmed better than darts.

I would much rather you take, if that's just pure nicotine, take that, then smoke a vape or smoke cigarettes, because that's where the delivery system is creating the damage. A lot of times, the delivery system is creating the damage.

Fucking, dude, 11 years old. That's crazy.

It's crazy how young they are because it's not really so taboo. It's like a Blueberry vape or a pumpkin spice vape, and they can just throw it in their bag. Mom and dad don't know they're doing it. The whole house doesn't stink. It's not like they're doing bong hits in their room.

Yeah, you can hide that pretty easily, too.

Yeah, you can conceal it pretty easily. I mean, it's crazy. That's one of the hardest things that I work with clients, too, is to get them get them off of those things, which, by the way, the cold plunge works great for. You can replace that dopamine hit with a cold plunge. I mean, if you smoke or do anything else that raises your dopamine, you do blow. Just do that. And then the next day, try getting in a cold plunge for three minutes and get out and see how much better you feel longer. And then you'll have a new drug of choice. It's just that a lot of people don't... They haven't thought about that option. I could tap into that same feeling that I'm chasing with cigarettes or vape or with cocaine. I can actually get that feeling and have a positive result. So I'm not against you trying to feel the way that those things make you feel, but maybe just make a different choice on how you get there.

You just lose the bonding experience with cold punch.

No. In the deep talk. Dude, we should actually go through the biohacking lab. I'm very down. After this, we'll-That was a lot of cool stuff. After this, we'll do it. Last time you were here, you and Gabe and I. We did it. Gabe was off camera over there. But yeah, Gabe did it. That was your longest cold punch, too, wasn't it?

How long did he do? You probably shred some weight when you're shivering, right?

It is actually really good for weight.

It burns the most calories.

For the amount of time, it really does. It raises your metabolic I get the haters on Instagram are like, There's no direct evidence that cold punching causes fat loss. That's absolutely not true.

It does burn calories, right?

It burns calories. It activates something called brown fat. I There's a cost to raising your temperature.

I did six minutes one time, and I think my body was shivering for 30 minutes after.

Yeah. Was it really cold?

Really cold, but I could feel it.

Yeah. But I mean, there's no evidence that colder is better or longer is better. I keep it at 48 to 50 degrees. I'm in there for three minutes minimum, six minutes maximum. You feel freaking amazing. It's like a contest now on Instagram. I'm getting it 37 degrees. I'm getting it 33 degrees. I'm getting it freaking liquid nitrogen.

What about now? Now there's the debate, don't do it after a workout, do it before your workout.

Yeah, you should do it before a workout because you think about-So don't do it after? Mm-mm. Don't do it after a workout. If you're trying to gain muscle. If you're trying to gain muscle. I mean, think about what happens when you work out. Let's say you do a heavy squat workout and you tear a bunch of quad muscle. Okay, what does the body do? It's going to send more blood flow there. It's going to send more amino acids there. It's going to pull something called creatinine out of the muscle. It's going to send it help. It's going to send it proteins, and it's going to send it oxygen, and it's going to pull carbon dioxide and pull inflammatory materials out. It's going to repair that tissue. Why How would you want to shut that down right after you damaged it? The whole idea of going to the gym is to tear a muscle, and then the body repairs it and it grows back larger. That's what you want. You want to cause that injury and then allow the body to heal it. If you get in cold plunge prior to exercise, it's actually smart to get hyperthermic after exercise.

So go into a sauna when you're done working out, like a dry sauna or an infrared sauna. That's a great thing to do afterwards, or just take a regular shower. But don't get into a cold plunge after intense exercise. You just shut down the games.

What about hours later in the day?

Hours later in the day, more than 45 minutes after exercise, you're probably fine.

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This might sound like a vague question, but what are the effects of cold plunge?

So the four main effects of the cold plunge. Remember, water is 29 times more thermogenic than air. It removes heat from the body at 29 times the rate of air. When you get in, that's why you can die in 72 degree water. You can't die in 72 degree air. There are plenty of stories of boats capsizing and things and people staying in the water and it's 72, 74 degrees and they got hypothermie and died. So So water removes heat from the body 29 times the rate of air. So when you get into a cold punch, four main things happen. One, you get a peripheral vasoconstriction. Your vascular system clamps down to try to save your life. So it shoves all that oxygen into your core, liver, lungs, pancreas, kidneys, up to your brain. Then it activates something called brown fat, which is your thermostat, right? Because the body temperature is dropping. Well, if you're not exercising, how are you raising your body temperature? Brown fat turns on. It takes calories and turns them into heat. It starts to raise your body temperature, so you're burning calories. The other thing it does is it causes a massive enderfin rush.

Enderfins are pleasure hormones like dopamine. The dopamine buzz last 6 hours or more. Now you get a big mood boost. You get a big increase to your metabolism. You get a massive shock of oxygen up to your brain, your liver, lungs, pancreas, kidneys, all of that. And then that's why when you get out, you feel so good. And the other thing that happens is your liver releases a protein called cold shock protein. These proteins, you want to blow your mind, Google cold shock proteins and just see the benefits of these things. They're free. They're in your liver right now. You're getting a cold punch, your liver will dump them into your bloodstream. You feel so clear, so clean, so awake. Freaking amazing. We had a Christmas party here, and 14, 15 of my staff members came in, and they stayed here with me. We went out late. We had a Christmas party, then we went out that night. The next day, the entire staff was in steam room, sauna, cold plunge, and everybody in like, 45 minutes felt amazing.

Because the hangovers are so bad now. For me...

No, they're so bad.

It always goes back to that.

No, but you need the cold plunge.

I need a cold plunge in a sauna after a night out. I'll probably go on the elliptical for 30 minutes and then cold plunge sauna. That's the only way to bounce back down.

Because you are baking the body alkaline again. It's acidic because of all the You're making it alkaline. You feel amazing. You do the same thing with breathwork. I try to talk about things that are readily accessible. I mean, if you got 100 grand line around, you can buy a red light bed. If you don't have 100 grand line around, you can take your shirt off and go Expose your skin to sunlight. I have a Hypermax oxygen system, which you breathe high amounts of oxygen on a treadmill. But if you want to dump five grand into a Hypermax oxygen system, learn to do breathwork. I sleep on a PMF mat, Pulse Electromagnetic Field. It makes the body alkaline at night. But if you don't want to drop five grand on a PMF mat, touch the surface of the earth. But we don't want to think that these things are so beneficial, but they are. Taking your shoes off and going for a walk on the beach and then getting a little bit of sunlight and then going back into your condo, it's like, man, I feel amazing.

What does that do, the grounding?

So grounding causes you to discharge into the Earth. Human beings build up a charge. If I actually pricked your finger right now and put your blood on a slide, we can do it if you want. I got a microscope in the other room. When we put your blood on a slide, You would see that all your red blood cells are clumped together and stuck. Like too many cars trying to take the same exit. As soon as you contact the surface, the Earth, you discharge into the Earth, you ground with the Earth. When that happens, the All of those cells start to separate again. They have the same charge. Remember, if things have opposite charges, they attract. They have the same charge, they don't touch. That's what you want in your cells. You can get into that state by taking your shoes off and going for a five, six minute walk on the surface of the earth, touching the sand, dirt, grass. You'll actually see the changes in your blood. It's part of the reason why you feel so good. It's amazing. Part of the reason why you feel so good.

How about breathwork? Because I feel like everyone's on the cold plunge wave, but I think grounding and breathwork, they think it looks stupid or it's like-Grounding sounds dope. Well, no, I'm saying-Grounding sounds dope.

Just from what I see. Go for what I see.

I'll do that all day.

Yeah.

Just from what I see. You're going to just go and just start walking every day. You're going to start not doing that. Touching the surface of the Earth.

Maybe.

All right. I'm a couple of times a week. I'm pumped to see you do that.

I think Kyle is calling you out. I think you might have called bullshit on a daily beach walk.

No, I'll post some stories of me doing it now. Every day? Yeah. Okay.

Great. I'm super down with that. But breathwork is the same thing. The father of breathwork, in my opinion, it was Wim Hof. But there's so many breathwork techniques out there. You can get paralysis of analysis. I'm actually doing a breathwork challenge this month. I did a three-day water fasting challenge last month. And Just walking people through an eight-minute breathwork routine where you just take three rounds of 30 deep breaths. Take 30 deep breaths, you exhale, you hold your breath as long as you can because holding your breath raises carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is the main vasodilator in the body, not nitric oxide. People take these NO₂ supplements before they go work out so they can actually get the pump. The nitric oxide is not the main vasodilator. Carbon dioxide is one of the reasons why you get vascular while you're exercising and after exercise is because your veins fill with carbon dioxide. You can tap into these natural things. Three rounds of 30 breaths. Take 30 breaths, exhale, hold. Let the carbon dioxide build up. Inhale, hold. Let that oxygen go into the cells and start again. That will also become people's new drug of choice.

You feel amazing after doing just breathwork. But because it's free and it's so accessible, people don't really want to do it.

What time do you usually do the breath workout? In the mornings?

As soonAs soon as I get up. As soon as you get up. Yeah. So as soon as I get up. I have a funny little path in here. So I wake up in the morning, splash water on my face, brush my teeth, then I immediately go in and get in a cold punch, which I used to not do. But then I was actually watching a David Goggins podcast, and he was like, Stop negotiating with yourself.

That sets the tone for the day, too. If you could start your day with that, you can do anything.

Yeah, you can. So I just walk in, stripped down and bang. By the time I'm debating with myself whether or not I should I'm already in the cold punch. And never have I once regret it. You get out of there, you feel like you won the freaking lottery. And then I go into the other room, I get on this treadmill, I put this oxygen mask on called Hypermax. I walk for 10 minutes, go down to the end of the hallway, get in a red light bed for a few minutes Then I have coffee. Now, I'll go right outside and do breathwork. Usually by that time, the sun's coming up. First light is another thing, too. We don't realize how beneficial the first 45 minutes of light is during the day. Because Because there's no UVA, there's no UVB rays, so there's no damaging rays. You expose your skin to sunlight first thing in the morning, it will do more to help you sleep that night than anything.

Really?

Yeah.

How so?

Because it resets cortisol receptors, which is a waking hormone, resets melatonin receptors, which is a sleep hormone. So we get so out of cycle with the sun, again, because we regulate everything. We regulate our temperature, regulate our lighting. You want to do a really cool experiment for five days. Just try getting up in the morning right around day break, exposing as much skin as you can to sunlight. Don't go out there naked, your neighbors. Everybody can see me on my balcony, but put a pair of shorts on, go out, expose your skin to sunlight, right? Do a round of breathwork and then take a cold shower. None of those things will cost you one penny. Everybody's got a shower. Everybody can see the sun, and everybody can do breathwork. If you do that for four or five days, you will never not do it again. You will travel doing that. You'll wake up every day. Your body will chase it like a rat to cheese. Instead of just getting, I'm going straight to the coffee maker, try to get outside, do breathwork, expose your skin to sunlight, and then just take a cold shower.

Yeah, you mentioned that that helps sleep at night.

Helps sleep at night.

I don't know why. I feel like everyone now has to take melatonin or some substance to sleep.

Yeah. I mean, and a lot of these drugs, a lot of these drugs that they use to put you to sleep, Zolapetam nitrate, diazopam, all these other things are not actually helping you sleep. What they're doing is they're blindfolding the brain's ability to wake you up. The brain wakes you up when you're sleeping because you're low on oxygen. So what these drugs do is they allow you to suffocate. So when you wake up in the morning and go, oh, man, I hate taking Tylenol PM because it's still in my system the next day. It's not in your system anymore. That drug has been out of your system for hours. You're feeling the effects of having suffocated for the last six hours. That's why you feel like shit. That's why you have a headache. That's why it takes 45 minutes to get the motor going. So So I'm not a huge fan of drugs to put you to sleep, but magnesium, melatonin, theanine, those kinds of things are excellent for you to help you sleep.

What else can you do that's natural?

You can do box breathing, which is like what they do in the special services, where they do a 4-second Four-second hold, four-second exhale, and another four-second hold. It'll just relax your mind and help you separate your day from your sleep cycle. So getting a good... No matter what time you're going to bed, try that. Try box breathing. Four-second inhale, four second hold, four second exhale, four second hold. And watch how many times you can trace that square before you pass out. You won't even remember how many those squares you imagine getting around before you're actually in a deep sleep.

How is it working with Jolly Roll? We had him on the pod.

Oh, dude, he's awesome, man. First of all, I love his music, and I love his story, too. Oh, yeah. Did you see his... What was his CMA? Cmas. Dude, he just hammered it in that 30 seconds speech.

He's an absolute fucking... That guy's an angel.

He said he's on cold.

Dude, he is an angel. He's been public about working with me, and I'm so excited to be...Oh, he did?Yeah. That's awesome. I'm so excited to be on this journey with him, and he's been very vulnerable about it, too. He said, Gary, this is the first time that I felt like my weight is killing me. And I feel like that guy's got a real message for the world. If you really listen to the lyrics in his songs, man, it's deep. It's crazy. And you know that those lyrics are coming from a story that is very visceral, very authentic, very real. So this is what I mean about loving what I do, not feeling like I work a day in my life. You get to meet great humans like that and be a part of their journey. So we're going to strip about 250 pounds off of him in the next- And how long you think? In the next 12 to 14 months. 250? 250 pounds. He weighed in at 494.

250 in a year?

Yeah. I just did 105 pounds on... The next podcast that I'm launching at The Ultimate Human is a bookie from Vegas that we stripped 105 pounds off of him and not an ounce of lean muscle, 105 pounds off of him in six months. Why does that work?

Almost to the day. Why does that work? Stani, lead into your favorite drug question.

I'm going to.

Are we going back to cocaine and fentanyl?

No, that's not.

Because I wanted to leave that one in the beginning of the podcast. Well, no, I don't know. Because, by the way, those are great weight loss drugs with the side effects death.

I don't know why you assume that either.

I don't know.

No experience with any of that in 2024. In 2024.

No, but- Well, So last time, he really lost a lot of weight there. After January first. He didn't eat for a month.

Technically, yeah, I guess.

Yeah. From the second on. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so that's good. You've been over for six days. That's awesome.

Hey, you're on a You got to start somewhere, dude. No, but there's this new phase. From the outside, looking in, I don't really know anyone on it, but you see it a lot. People are now taking Ozempic just to lose weight. For me, and I look at that, you talk about a guy who's going to lose 250. You said 250 in a year. That just sounds like it can't be healthy for you. It actually-I'm not saying Ozempic is involved.

It actually is not. I'll tell you exactly what's involved, but it actually is not. You really have to, when you lose that much weight, you have to focus on detox pathways, meaning you have the same number of fat cells now as you did the day you were born. It's a really hard concept for people to understand that when I came out of the womb, I have the same number of fat cells as I do now because fat doesn't increase or decrease in number, it increase or decrease in size. The cells turn over, but they increase or decrease in size. So your fat cells get larger and larger and larger. So if you've been heavy and you progress to obesity over a prolonged period of time, you know what's in those fat cells? Pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, drugs you've done, chemicals, synthetics, histamines, all kinds of inflammatory factors. So when that cell starts to shrink again and turn into energy, it's dumping that shit back into the bloodstream. So one of the things we're focusing on with him is he's traveling with a nurse now, so he's doing weekly IVs, something called glutathione. He does a topical glutathione spray on his skin to help his body with detox pathways.

He's taking an activated charcoal for the gut so that you can actually sop up toxins in the gut because you can't just dump all of those toxins right back into the bloodstream. They have to go somewhere. You think of when all that fat is coming off of the body, where's it going? It's going into the bloodstream, the urine, the stool. So it can make you really, really sick. So one of the things that I'm really focusing on with the clinical team and him is how how do we get the toxins out of the body? Activated charcoal, glutathione, regular IVs. So you make sure that he's on a specific multivitamins. And in his case, you can use things like tierzepitide, which is Mounjaro, or semaglutide, which is Wagovi and Ozempic. The problem with those is that people are using them for vanity, right? And third of the weight that you lose is lean body mass. And so what happens is when people drop weight so quickly, they're dropping a lot of muscle and a lot of lean body mass. So you have to protect it with a peptide. You have to be doing weight-bearing exercise. So You preserve the lean body mass and you lose the fat.

When people say they want to lose weight, what they really mean is I want to lose fat. No one means I want to lose muscle. I want to lose ligaments, tendons, bones. I want to demineralize my bones. I just want to lose fat. That's what I want to lose. The problem with a lot of these drugs is if you just start injecting Ozempic, which is semaglutide, then you're not just losing fat. You're slowing gastric emptying, you're shutting down the gut. My personal preference is tears appetite and side-by-side clinical trials. It actually did better than Ozempic than semaglutide at weight loss. But you need to be taking peptides, my opinion. I can't get medical advice, but I would be on a peptide. I would be on Something to stop up toxins in the gut, like glufion and activated charcoal. I would be weight training for sure. I just had Dr. Gabriele Lyon on. She's like the muscle clean. She wrote a book called Forever Strong, talking about how muscle is our If you want to live a long time, lift heavy weight. We talked about Ozempic and these weight loss drugs, you have to be doing weight-bearing exercise when you're on those, or you'll just become skinny fat.

They also say once you get off it, your metabolism comes back up and you gain that weight right back.

Well, that's not true if you're smart about how you titrate on and how you titrate off of these things. Some of those were meant to be on permanently. I mean, that's It seems outlandish to me that you would be on a permanent what's called a GLP-1 and GDP inhibitor because now you're shutting down the body's natural way of accomplishing those things. But for people that have where weight is a health risk, Morbidly Obese type 2 diabetics. These can be life-saving for them. You got to remember that you don't use them by themselves. Help them detox, weight-bearing exercise, peptides so they don't lose lean muscle mass, get them to a targeted weight, and then safely I trade off of those things. That's what my clinical team does. I don't think that we have anyone that I've seen our physicians put somebody on that stays on it permanently.

Because a lot of people, yeah, I guess a lot of people online say it's bad for you, but you're saying that in the proper way dosed with other things, it's not bad.

There's a much greater risk. If you're a type 2 diabetic and you're morbidly obese, you have a greater risk from morbid obesity and diabetes than you do from the side effects of tears's appetite or somaglotide. But you want to just not take them You can not take it in isolation. You can use those to have effective weight loss, and you can titrate off of those. I've seen my clinical team do this hundreds and hundreds of times. So I have first-hand knowledge you can do it safely. But people get on it, and then they just stay on it. And then once they reach their targeted weight, they're still on it. Now the people are getting that Ozempic face, they call it, where it actually starts to eat the fat out of your face. And your face gets sunken, your eyes start to look really sunken. That's fat that's not coming I was going to say, I know someone who was on it, and he started to look almost malnourished because it was like, Dude, you need to slow down on that.

They lose weight so fast, but they get too tiny.

Yeah. I mean, it's going to eat fat everywhere.

What nutrient deficiency do most men have? How do you think we should fix that?

Most men are deficient in vitamin D3, something called DHEA, which actually is what testosterone is made from. If I just was magically able to go into your body and strip the D3 3 and strip the DHEA out of your body, your testosterone would tank. You don't have a hormone issue. You have a raw material issue. You have a lack of raw materials. You put those two things back into the human body, very often, your testosterone goes right back into the normal range. So, sadly, what's happening with a lot of hormone clinics is they're putting younger and younger and younger men on straight on testosterone replacement.

Dude, it's so popular in fitness.

Yeah. I mean, Steve's talked about it publicly, but Steve will do it. When I first met him, he was 22 years old, and he was on straight testosterone injections. I was like, dude, what are you doing? You're 22 years old. You haven't even had kids.

What's the risk of him?

That could mess up his kid. Well, it's not going to mess up his kid, but it's going to make it hard. First of all, it's going to make it harder to have kids because it lowers sperm production. But you develop a dependency on it. I'm not anti that. I'm on testosterone. I'm 53 years old. But if I was 22, I would do everything I could to naturally raise my level of testosterone. Peptides, DHEA, vitamin D3, exercise, it's cardio. I would do things to naturally, even Tomcat Ali, natural things to try to raise my testosterone and then become dependent on that hormone. That's a lifelong dependency. If you do it long enough, now you can't get off. I don't care what anybody says. There's no better hormone than one the body makes on its own. We make bioidentical hormones from yams. You'll never convince me that a yam can create as good of a hormone as the human body.

Who's been, besides Dana, because we've heard that story, but besides Dana, who's another famous celebrity that's come out and that was your favorite to work with.

Steve Harvey was awesome to work with. Yeah, you. You were great to work with. Steven A. Plug in your boy, dude. I love that. See, he's got your back, dude.

He actually inspired a lot of people.

No, I know you did. And that's why I love working with people like you, to be totally honest with you, is because it gets the message out. People are like, oh, shit. If Kyle did it, I can do it. Oh, Dana did it. I can do it. So Steve Harvey was an absolute blast to work with. He's a great human. Getting him into a cold punch was one of the funniest three weeks of my life. There's the conversations I would have with him. Stephen A. Smith was another one. Just because I've admired him on ESPN and just his grit and His authenticity. He's hilarious. And then really getting to know him. He's another great human. Really getting to know him and and going on this health journey with him. And every one of these guys, Dana, Steve Harvey. You know what else was really great to work with was Steve A. Oakey. All the Steves. Steve will do it. It was amazing, too. I mean, there's some big ones coming next month that I can't disclose now, but they're just as prominent as those folks. And I don't necessarily want to be known for working with like, celebrities and A-listers and athletes.

I use them because they have a voice, and that helps get the message out. And the message needs to get out there. And I try to remind people that it wasn't the expensive equipment that they bought, but it wasn't the No. Some rare Amazon root that only I manufacture and you have to go through me. I'm the magic man. It was none of those things. It was the diet and lifestyle changes and routine changes that they made. That was 70% of the effect. Then in conjunction with my clinical team, we just went in and dialed in their bloodwork and dialed in their genetics. Perfect. I knew exactly what supplement to give them. I supplemented them for deficiency. You want to talk about magic. Magic things happen in human beings when you give their body the raw material it needs to do its job. Most people that are listening to this podcast are not in the most optimal condition because their body is missing raw materials. They don't have a disease. They don't have pathology. There's nothing wrong with them. Their body is missing simple nutrients. If you test for it, you find it, you put it back, they thrive.

I use celebrities and athletes and A-listers because they just have a big voice. You look at the struggle. Dana White was on a CPAP machine. He was on cardiovascular medication. He was on blood thinners. He was about to have surgery to widen his throat because he was having a hard time breathing so bad that he would vomit at night, all of which he's talked publicly. He couldn't tie his own shoes. He could not kneel down and tie his shoes.

I heard Dana say, I heard that. That's wild.

When I was going through his results, I said to him, I said, Dana, I'm surprised that it's not painful for you to bend down and tie your shoes. And he goes, what the fuck? He took an open hand and he palm-slapped the conference table in his office and all the shit jumped up on it. It freaking me out. He's like, How the fuck did you know that? And I was like, well, because your triglyceride levels, your blood fat is so high. If you kneel down and create that pressure, the fat is going to pack into the end of your capillaries and it's going to burn like your legs on fire. He goes, I've never shared that with anybody. And I was like, do you wake up? Do you actually throw up at night? And he was like, the fuck did you know that? Because You get so acidic when you're sleeping because your oxygen is so low that eventually you get so acidic, you get sick. You're getting sick from the acidity in your blood. Then you wake up and you start breathing. You return the alkaline state to your blood and you're going about your day again.

And he was like, dude, Everything that you just described is so fucking accurate. He's like, What do I need to do? I said, We need to go on this journey for 10 weeks. You do what I ask you to do for 10 weeks, and I promise you it'll change your life. And that dude has flicked the switch like I've never seen. And he's been so loyal to me. I would say there is nobody on the planet. Grant Codon was very instrumental, and his partner, Brandon Dawson, in helping me build the business and get the word out. Dana White was the one that changed my life.

100 %.

No question. And that is the most loyal brother on the planet.

Oh, 100 %.

If he's with you, he's with you. If he's not, he's also not. But if he is, he will not be rattled. I know.

You know, too. That's what I love about it. We try to explain to people how How loyal and how good of a fucking guy he is.

He just makes you want to be loyal back to him.

That guy's a good fucking friend.

Fucking awesome. Every single thing that he's ever said that he would do for me, he's done. Everything. Even if he manifested something, he's like, in the next few months, you're going to be on Rogan. Everything that he's ever said, and he's also been very protective of me, which I like. So many people hit him and ask him for access to me. And he's like, I'm not giving you access unless you're really going to be committed to this journey. So, yeah, crazy instrumental. But Steve was a lot of fun to work with. Steve Aoki was a lot of fun to work with because I like those people that have lifestyles that when somebody from the outside in is looking at them, Steve Aoki won a Guinness Book of World's records for the most traveled artist. Do you know that? I didn't know there was a fucking Guinness Book of World. What was the record? It wasn't a record. It was a Guinness Book of World's record. Yeah, but how much did he travel? The record was the most traveled artist. I think he did 364 shows. Do you remember, Cole? Remember Manny? In one year? But I think he did 364, 384 shows in a year.

What the fuck? Because those DJs are doing sometimes two shows a day in different cities.

Dude, yeah. He would say how he would do a pool party in Miami and then use the time change to get to LA and then do a show at 1:00, 2:30 in the morning in LA. So he would actually just chase the sun, or the opposite to chasing the sun.

So you tell him, Hey, you shouldn't do that many shows, or you can do those many shows if you do Dude, the only reason why he's able to do that is because he takes care of his health.

He doesn't drink. He doesn't do drugs. I mean, that guy is on his game diet-wise. He's on his game with his hydration. He prioritizes sleep. I mean, his house is a giant biohacking lab, too. I tried to get out of doing a 34-degrees cold punch at his house the other day, and he's like, Oh, you don't want to get in there? I was like, Not at 34 degrees. And then he popped on an Instagram live. He's like, Well, there's 20,000 people on here. I'm like, Oh, you motherfucker. So I got right in there, dude. So we got in the cold plunge and we did the sauna and jumped around in that foam room that he's got. But he acts like a little kid, but behind the scenes, because he's got that youthful energy, but behind the scenes, he's really conscious of his health, man. He supplements every day. We look at his blood work every few months. We look at his genes. We tweak his supplements. He's got data on his body. He knows exactly where he stands. If sugar start getting out of control, he dials it back in. If his hormones get off, we start to dial those back in.

And dude, he's crushing it, man. You see the energy he puts out on stage? It's insane.

The DJ life is fucking.

And the DJ life is the toughest, dude. I mean, talk about a circadian rhythm disorder. I mean, you're in London, you're in Dubai. In fact, the day, the last time I saw him, he was actually leaving that day and going nonstop to Dubai to do so This is a private party. So you're talking about time zones, food, airplanes, hotels, just everything jacked up.

Do you have cheap meals or no?

I do. I'm not that guy that goes to my five-year-old niece's birthday party is like, I'm not going to have a piece of cake. I'm not the one that doesn't once in a while go out and have a tequila. I think when you put too many restrictions on yourself, you end up perverting. Something perverts, right? You just can't be that disciplined. Not everybody has Brian Johnson's discipline, although I believe in what he's doing. I just don't think it's practical for humanity. It's what we do 80% of the time that matters. Optimal health is about the presence. It's about the absence of the good, not the presence of the bad. In other words, if you're missing the foundation, the bad is really going to hurt you. The occasional drinking, the sweets, the Bender. It's going to really take a toll, the lack of sleep. But if you're doing the foundational things, you're eating clean food, you're drinking clean water, you're getting decent sleep whenever you're exercising, you're so much more resilient. There's a process in the human body called hormesis, where you stress it and it strengthens. Which is, again, why I say aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort because we just stopped thinking about challenging ourselves as a way to fight aging and be in a better state of optimal health.

Why did you want to launch the The Ultimate Human podcast?

Because I wanted to control the messaging. The ultimate human is about... A lot about the ultimate human is about giving without the expectation of receipt. I really, really, truly do believe that the information does not belong to me. I really believe that it belongs to mankind. I believe it belongs to humanity. And I wanted to control the messaging. I bought my podcast when I first launched, and I ended up buying it back from a group that I had partnered with Because I was starting to get ad reads for things like, I won't name the products, but they would have super high amounts of food dyes and caffeine and cyanocebalm and folic acid and corn syrup and shit like that. And I was telling my partners at the time, I'm not reading this ad. And they're like, you signed a deal. You signed a contract. You got to read the ad. And I was like, they're like, well, it's not an implied endorsement. I go, well, if I say it, it's like I'm endorsing it. So send them their money I'm not reading this ad. And I would get stuff for all these junk vitamins and all these junk products and CPD gummies.

And I'm like, I didn't get to the top of the mountain just to become a prostitute. So I said, I'm not reading this. We're at a full stop. And I ended up being able to buy the podcast back. And so I can control the messaging. I never endorse things that I don't use in my daily life that I don't have first-hand knowledge of. I test the absolute shit out of everything. A lot of manufacturers really don't like me because they'll be advertising this EMF mitigation device. There's one sitting on the table over there, and it's $5,000. They're like, Yeah, we want you to promote this, and we'll give you XYZ. I say, Send the device to me. Then I take EMF meters and electromagnetic measuring equipment, and I start measuring whether or not it's mitigating the field. It's not doing anything. They got red light beds that are $100,000, and I light meter tested them. They didn't even have the wavelengths the manufacturer claimed. Their air filter saying, Oh, we filter things down to 0.1 micron. Then I test it and it doesn't even filter down to 10 microns. I'm incessant about testing things, and I wanted to control the message.

I started the ultimate human as a way to really reach the masses to get the message out there.

Yeah. It's cool to hear a bunch of people's stories. Yeah, it's super cool. I know it's situational, but if people stick to whatever you tell them to do, how much can you increase someone's lifespan?

On average, seven years. So I can add seven years not just to their lifespan, but to their health span. And when I say that, people get, here comes the... I can see the comments coming out on Instagram right now. But I say that because I did that for 22 years. So I have data. I know what it means when you fix nutrient deficiencies like vitamin D3 in the body. I know what it means to you when you control your blood sugar over a prolonged period of time. I know what it means when you control your triglycerides for a prolonged period of time. I know what it means when you're not carrying excess body weight, when you're not anemic, when your hormones are in the optimal range. These actually impact your lifespan. That is a material fact. And for decades, there were insurance companies that would take hundreds of millions of dollars in risk on those facts. So they are facts. And so, yes, if you if you make, if you get data on your body and you make a few changes, you can add seven years to your health span, not just your lifespan. That's pretty fucking cool.

Seven years is a long time. What did you say that seven years is a long time. I mean, Dana's, we almost tripled.

What were you saying it was that really affect your lifespan?

I didn't hear that. Hormone imbalance, nutrient deficiencies, and blood sugar control. Those are the three big things affecting life expectancy.

What's the first thing someone can go do to figure out what they're deficient in?

The one thing I think every human being needs to do once in your lifetime that you guys have all done is that gene test. You do it once in your life. You take it cheeks while you put a cheek swab in, you swab your cheek, you send it to the lab. You can do it through me. You do not have to do it through me. There's tons of great genetic testing companies that are out there. I look at five specific genes because if you look at your entire genetic report, I could see you have dark skin, dark hair, you have detached earlobes. You can't do anything with that data. What you want to look at is What can my body convert into the usable form? In other words, what can it use and what can it not use? And then you supplement for that deficiency. That genetic test you do once in your life, you'll never guess again on what you need to supplement with. You will stop supplementing for the sake of supplementing, and you will supplement for deficiency. That's when the magic happens in the human body.

It's a pretty basic concept.

It's a super basic concept. I always talk about when I was in grad school, I used to have to take all I was getting my second degree in biology, my second one in human biology. I had to take all these freaking plant botany courses. You had to study plants, which I hated, but you have to do it. But what stood out to me was it doesn't matter what goes wrong in a plant, the leaf, the root stem of a plant. If you call it true botanist, a true arborist, out to your house, and let's say you got leaves rotten in the top of your palm tree, they won't touch the leaf of the palm tree. They will core test the soil, and they'll go, Oh, you know what? There's no nitro They'll add the nitrogen in this soil. Then they'll add nitrogen to the soil, and the leaf will heal. Human beings are no different. You have to find out what you're deficient in, which you can test for with a gene test. Once you find that deficiency, you supplement for that deficiency, it's like, bang, holy shit, man, I thought I was affected by anxiety.

You didn't have anxiety. You had poor catecholamine regulation because your body was deficient in methylfolate or B vitamins. You put those into your body and your anxiety is gone. Now that's one anchor up off the Then you're like, Man, I sleep like shit. Well, you don't have a sleep disorder. You have a lack of magnesium, lack of theanine. You might even lack a sedentary on with thionine. You put those raw materials back in the human body. Now all of a sudden, the mind quiets and you start to sleep better. Then you're like, Man, I'm bloated like a pufferfish. I'm not fat, but you're retaining water because your hormones are out of balance. I don't have the energy that I had a few years ago. You don't have energy because you don't have enough oxygen in your blood because your hormones are off. As soon as you put certain raw materials, like simple vitamins, minerals, amino acids, back into the human body, this is when boom, people really thrive. The complexity is in the simplicity of what to do a lot of times.

How far do you think modern medicine is going to go in the next 20, 30 years, are we going to be able to achieve?

Well, the best thing to happen in modern medicine, in my opinion, is AI. Because AI is now taking such a voluminous amount of data and parsing the data so you can actually make real decisions. In other words, do people that have high cholesterol really need a statin? Well, it'll look at 21 million articles. It'll look at voluminous amounts of data, and it'll come back I can actually fight some of the false trends that we've been led to believe. Modern medicine, I say, is a catch-all, wants you to believe that you have disease or pathology, because if I can get you to subscribe to the fact that you have a disease, I can get to subscribe to a lifetime medication. By the time you're 60 years old, most people are on 5-7 prescription medications. You'll never convince me that at 60 years old, we need five chemical synthetics or pharmaceuticals to be average. That's complete nonsense. If you have heart disease, you're not missing a beta blocker. If you have ADHD, you're not deficient in Adderall. If you have high cholesterol, you're not missing a statin. The answer is not chemical, synthetics, and pharmaceuticals. The answer is put nutrients back in the human body and let us do each job.

Let's just get out of the way of what God gave us. You know what I mean?

I always look at that as such a negative. What's that? Does someone really need to be prescribed Adderall? Is there not any other thing that they can do? Because it's so negative for people.

It is. I mean, you know.

You talked about that on Rogan a little bit, right?

Yeah, I talked about it on Rogan a little bit. If your mind's racing, you have two choices. You can quiet the mind by using things like Methafolate, complex of B vitamins, B12. You can quiet the mind, or you can let the mind race, and you can pump amphetamines into the body to race the central nervous system to match the pace of the mind, which is what Adderall, Vyvans, Ritalin, that's what those are. Those are amphetamines, basically legal speed. Why speed up a system that's not broken to match a system that's broken? Why not just fix the system that's broken? Why not just learn to quiet the mind? And you quiet the mind by putting raw materials in to break down thought. It's fucking crazy.

Yeah. I hate that shit. And the other thing, too, is I had friends who got addicted in college. Xanax was just so popular, and it just literally killed me.

How did Xanax become popular? Because that's like, sleeping.

Honestly, it was the SoundCloud rapper phase. Shit. They were all talking about it. And then you're in college and you take... I think they call it getting barred out.

I take barred out. So barred out. That's what they said.

I don't know.

But I've taken Xanax before, and I'm How would somebody get addicted to this? I mean, I feel like a zombie. But if you drink on it, do you feel good? What was the deal there?

I've never fucked a Xanax, but-I mean, years ago, I just-I've taken it on a long flight before.

I could see that. But I'm just saying, how is somebody getting barred out every day or nibbling on that every day? That's mind-nubbing to me. I like how I feel after a good workout and a cold lunch in the steam room. I feel like... I mean, I'm out of my mind. I drive my wife crazy.

If If you were to pick one thing-Dude, I love how he just comes in out of nowhere, dude.

I actually want to ask-Took a piss. He's wide awake. No.

So the different things that you have in there, I don't know what to call them. Sorry. If you were to pick one, what would you go with?

If I could only use one thing.Cole punch?Cole punch?

What's second? So top three.

So top three would be the P-E-M-F mat. That mat that I lay on at night. It goes in your bed and it runs a low gas current through the body. It makes you alkaline. So that because you just sleep on it, you hit a button, you go to sleep. It helps you get into a deep sleep. I love that. You wake up alkaline every day. The second one, I mean, of course, the cold punch is in there. And I also use a red light bed. You can get the same thing for morning sunlight outside. I just want to say that you don't need to spend the money on a red light bed or red light panels. They're expensive. But for me, those are my three go-to modalities. And then after that, I would say the Hypermax oxygen, that oxygen mass that you breathe on the treadmill.

Do you tend to like the outside more than the bed sometimes?

I love that outside.

I think that's the best thing you can do for yourself.

Dude, just take your shoes off and go for a walk, dude. It's insane how good that makes you feel.

Steiny would say the ground's too hot.

He's going to do it every day now.

No, but I've always said this. You can just tell being in Miami, people are so much fucking happier here. People are happy. There's energy. You go to LA where there's less heat, sun or just Colorado, where I'm from and people aren't the same.

Yeah. I went to grad school in Chicago. I was in Chicago for six years. I absolutely learned to believe in seasonal affective disorder. I thought that was a bunch of nonsense.

You don't see the month- That's a real thing, like seasonal depression?

God, yeah. Seasonal depression is a very real thing. When you don't see the sun for four months, you just want to stay inside and eat pizza. You feel miserable. You could actually feel the energy. If you're from Chicago, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You could feel the energy in the entire city shift on that first day, that spring day. When the sun shined, it was actually warm, and people could actually walk outside, and it was bright sun coming in the windows. I worked at the Board of Trade. We would throw all the windows up in the Board of Trade and let the air in. The whole mood of the city just shifted. In the middle of the winter, people are pissed off.

What can they do? Like just red light bed, I guess, is an option.

Red light bed is an option. Cold punch is an option. Breath work is an option. Actually, still getting, even though it's gray in the direction of the sun, there are still sun rays making it through that. That mistiness. So try to keep your... Don't pull your shades down. Get natural sunlight into your environment and fucking travel. I mean, get out of there a couple of times a month and get down to Florida or get down to somewhere that's warming. Get in some real sunlight and get your feet touching the Earth. That's why people come to the beach. It feels so amazing. I definitely learned to believe in seasonal affective disorder. If you look at the instance of cardiovascular Vascular events, even homicides, they spike in the winters. They spike during those seasons.

How much pressure is big pharma putting on what you guys are doing and the stuff you're prescribing?

I get a lot of it. I always say, dude, if I ever go missing, I want you guys to open an investigation. But I did a podcast with a biologic dentist the other day, about a week and a half ago, Dr. Gandhi. This guy is one of the greatest oral surgeons in the country, in my opinion. He talks about how root canals and how the teeth are connected to the rest of your body. Bacteria that they find in the teeth are the same ones they find in cardiovascular disease. He did some work on me, and I had him on the podcast. Then, of course, here comes the fact checkers. If you go on my Instagram, it's blocked out and it says, what did they put over it? False or something, click here to find out why. Then there's a fact checker. They never say who the fact checker is. But they say, teeth are not connected to other pathologies in the body. That's completely false. Same thing happened to me when I post Information about seed oils. I'll get fact check and it says seed oils are not bad for human beings. According to fact checker, seed oils are not bad for human beings.

Well, if you take a seed oil like a canola plant and you stick it in a commercial press and it comes out gummy, and then you de-gum it with Hexane, which is a neurotoxin, and then you heat that oil to 405 degrees and turn it rancid, and then you deodorize it with sodium hydroxide, which is a carcinogen, and then you bottle it and put it on the shelf, you're never going to convince me that that's good. I get a lot of fact checkers that come and say, what you're saying is false, but it doesn't slow me down.

What's your goal? What do you see with 10X and Ultimate Human? What you guys are all Where do you see it? And what's your goal in, I don't know, five years, 10 years with it all?

My goal is to build the most trusted source in the world for chemical free living. To become the Amazon, the Google of chemical free living. When people want to know, how do I live a chemical free lifestyle? What water should I be drinking? How should I wash my clothes? How should I wash my dishes? What should I put on my skin? How can I just get back to the basics? Where should I get my food from? How can I get grass-fed meats, pasture-raised eggs, free-range chickens? How can I live a chemical free lifestyle? What sheets should I sleep on? I want to eventually be the repository for that information, and I want to have tested it and validated it and verified it so that people that want to go on this journey can take it as far as they want to go.

Eventually, I see 10X Health as being the greatest company in the world for genetic testing, for supplementation, for blood work.

I see ultimate human getting the message out about how to live a chemical free lifestyle and being a trusted source for people to say, what other things can I be doing in my life to be more optimal? That's where I see it going. That's awesome.

Who's your pick for the Nelk Boys challenge? Who do you think can make the biggest transformation?

Well, here's the thing, man. See, you could throw on some lean muscle and look like a beast.

My pick is Salim.

Yeah. See. I'm feeling good right now.

You got that leanness. We'll talk off camera. I'll get you on some peptides, and we'll throw some nice heavy lean muscle on you. But I think you got a shot. You got a shot, too.

Do you have to say this now or what?

No, I'm saying you got a shot.

Like, yo, dude, you could still win.

No, I think you got a little bit of the bloke, but you could lose the bloke and throw the muscle on. But Kyle, I think It's going to be hard for you to close the gap, dude.

I know, it is going to be hard.

But 100 grand.

He hasn't met Cousin yet.

Shit. Actually, one of you guys really offer me 50 off camera, and I'll only work with one of you. And we'll just go have some.

Yeah, that's the other thing I want to bring up. Because there's no rules. I think it should have been a more fair playing ground. Like, Kyle has access to you. Gabe has access to whatever you also gave him. Yeah.

But right now, Colin, I'll work with you guys, too. I mean, let's do this. But it gave, too. It gave good. It could actually bring in a strong first. Yeah, it gave me a reaction. It was really good. Because he's looking fucking good, right? But he had, what, 50,000 reasons to look good. Would it, Dana, stroke him?

How much have you made? Thirty.

30 grand. 30 grand. Damn.

How much you have to lose now?

Is he paying you again? Oh, he is? He's got... Dude, Dana has paid. He did the same thing with Steven A Smith. I know three or four people. I have another client right now that Dana has offered money to. He's great for me because he pays my clients to basically work with me and achieve their goals. It's the best of all worlds. They make money, and he forces them to work with me. But I'm pumped to see how this challenge comes out. Who's going to... Is it the fans that are going to vote? Fans are going to vote.

It'll be March ninth, UFC Miami.

March ninth? Oh, dude, that'll be awesome. We're going to do it on the.

You might have to come.

No, I'll be there for sure. Yeah. A hundred %. Can I be one of the judges? Yeah. I can just wait. I mean, it'll only be one thing. But if anyone wants to go housey with you right now, I'll just tell you right now.

We'll talk in the sauna.

Well, you and Gabe. This is awesome. It's awesome. This is great, man. It's long overdue. I hope your audience got value out of it. I learned a lot.

Like you said, we had to ask some DJing questions. It's the Full Sent podcast, right?

Yeah. It's not Joe Rogan. It's the first time I've had seltzers in the background, dude. But I love you guys. I love your mission. I love everything you're doing, man. You're great humans.

Great to become friends with all you guys. Appreciate you. We love hanging out with you. We'll put the ultimate human podcast link in the description. Make sure you guys go subscribe to that. Episodes are amazing.Thank you.I appreciate you, bro.

Rock on.Thank you, bro. You guys. Nice.