There we are. We are live. They're just about technical problems. It's not like just a typical Sunday here at Garabaldi Red. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Garabaldi Red podcast. A slow start because it's a Sunday. Two points dropped and a missed opportunity potentially for Forrest yesterday as the Reds draw 2-2 to Wolves. One positive. We scored from a set piece, but there's a surprise. We conceded from another one, adding to our lovely record of 22 goals conceded from set pieces. Joining me to discuss the performance, questionable substitutions potentially, relegation worries, and I'm sure lots, lots more. Dave Asbury, regular to the podcast, Forest fan. He's back. We've agreed fees with his agents. How are we, Dave?

Yeah, all right, mate. I've had a nice relaxing day. I'm still aching a bit from me, me hour five, six aside on Friday night, which at the age of 60, maybe I shouldn't let discretion be the best part of Valor and sit still. But I've enjoyed a really good weekend watching teams with no bottle. Leeds, Leicester, Arsenal, Liverpool, and Ranges, five of the funniest comedy programs I've seen for a long, long time. Bless them all. Yes.

Bless them all. Thanks for putting the overtime in today as well, Dave, considering you did football on a Friday. I'm sure you could defend the set piece maybe better than the current Forest Squad. Also joining us, Max Scott, Talksport broadcaster, Forest Fan. Max, good to see you. Were Were you doing football on Friday like Dave or were you having a rest?

No, I wasn't actually. But if Forest needs someone to defend corners, then get me in there. 6'7, 30 years old, 15 stone, gosh. No, I know. Getting in. I'm hyping myself up far too much there. Considering my height, I'm actually really poor. Considering how tall I am, I'm not a good head actually.

We won't mention my football inability.

Dave would like to talk about it in the Footprint's charity game last year. But yeah, that was 10 minutes on the pitch and to be replaced by Dave Asprey, probably a... I wouldn't say a low point in life, but I'd say one where I question my ability at certain things. That's why I'm going to stick to podcast hosting. Right, let's get into it and stick to what we're going to talk about, Forrest. What a shame. Lots of comments as well coming in already, live to us on Facebook and YouTube. We are live this evening. Be sure to get them in. Alex says, Afternoon, fellows. Shame we keep letting these great opportunities to put some daylight between us and Luton slip through our fingers. I think that's the feeling amongst all of us. Dave, kick us off then. There yesterday, as always. A bit of a bright start for Forest, actually. Came out of the blocks. It doesn't really happen a lot. Forest went for it, had lots of chances, missed opportunities again. But just what did you think of the game? And then we'll take it from there, really.

As a neutral, it was a really good game of football. There was lots going on. There Both teams played some good football. I thought we were the better team. I thought we played really well, actually, which is what makes not winning more goaling. Teams that are better than us would have found a way to win that yesterday, but we somehow found a way not to win it. So I don't know, I was strangely calm all the way through the game. I just thought Forest started well. We're creating far more chances now than we did previously, but it's this lack of a killer instinct and a cutting edge. We've got our feet in the mud and we can't drag it out and move forward and get away from pesky looting. You know what I mean? And it's weird. You almost get the sense around the patch that they lost 5-1, and yet somehow their Saturday was happier than ours. I just wish we could just push Push them away. But if we can't distance ourselves, and this is no respect to Luton, because what Luton has done is astonishing. It's one of the great football in fairy tales.

Let's get that out there. But if we, at Nottingham Forest, cannot distance ourselves from Luton town and continue to fail to do so, then we deserve to go down. But if Forest had played averagely yesterday and got a 2-2 draw, I'd be quite happy. But I thought Forest played really well. I thought it created chances, opportunities. But you know, Max, you touched on it. This set piece thing, it's just a millstone that can't be shed. And everybody, it was at this afternoon, they were talking about Villa from set pieces and up it comes and who had... They were way ahead of everybody at conceding set pieces, Nottingham Forest. And on I think the last time, us three lads sat and nattered about it. I think we were questioning what the Set Piece coach does, and his contribution has to be called into question. But it was galling because I thought Forest played well. I mean, really, Forest Actually, I haven't played too bad recently. I thought there was a really good half an hour last week at Tottenham, which was derailed by half-time, which Forest were in rhythm, playing well. Okay, would he hit the boasman?

Really, maybe he ought to have scored. But I thought Forest was a better team the last 30 minutes of the first half and then half-time and a double substitution did for it. Yesterday, I played some really good football. It's far more watchable, that football, more. Than it was at the start of the season. And to find a way to win, then we are either going to stay in the mire or we will be a Championship side, come five weeks It's the night, and we don't want that.

What did you make of it, Max? It really was, you just feel like every single week for Forest is just getting bigger and bigger. And yes, we can come out of it yesterday and say it was one point gained and we bettered Luton's result. But at the same time you're thinking, Forest really should have won that game given the chances that we had.

Yeah, I mean, I largely agree with Dave about the performance. I think it just reminds me of how difficult it is to win in the Premier League. It's such competitive league, and I know it's a really obvious thing to say. But even when we're playing well and even when some of our best players are in form, the likes of Morgan Gibbs-White, et cetera, Danilo had, I thought, one of his best performances for a while. Even despite that, you're struggling to beat Wolves, and that's not slight against Wolves. They've had a fantastic season. Gary Neil deserves loads applaud it for what he's managed to do in a similar situation to Forest. What do I think? It was a good performance, but this is why we are where we are, because we aren't clinical enough. The last 15 minutes of the game, the ball was hardly in our half. I mean, it was complete dominance in terms of possession. It looked like it was only going to go one way, but in those moments, Divock-Origues had an absolute hammering online, rightly so. For that woeful pass. And it's little moments like that that come the end of the season, you start thinking, Well, is this going to cost us?

But yeah, I think Nuno's finally figured out what his best set up is, largely finally found out how to utilize Morgan Gims White best. I like the look of Danilo. I like the fact that Ibrahim Sangare looks nowhere near to pulling on a shirt. I think that there hasn't been a modicum of decency from him on the pitch. There's been moments where he's passed the football forwards, but I can't think of any meaningful contribution he has made in a Forreys shirt, and I'm delighted that he's not playing. I think fair play to Danilo, who last season was brilliant, and then he's gone off it, but he seems to have found a bit of form and a bit of consistency. And I think, well, I'll let you come onto it, Max, but we got to talk about the subs at some point, which is crikey Moses, Nuno DeVares. I saw someone tweet it looked like he'd want a fan competition to play for five minutes, which I thought was completely appropriate. I do like what I'm seeing on the pitch, largely. I thought that we were more consistent than we were against Spurs. Spurs was really for strength because we looked brilliant for half an hour.

It looked like we could really upset them. Spurs looked there for the take, I thought. And then we just liked that consistency, haven't we? I think we've shown that over against full of them and against Wolves, that we can perform for longer than half an hour, basically.

Yeah, I think so, Max. There's some good points there, and we will come on to those substitutions in a short while. We are live on YouTube and Facebook, so be sure to contribute to the conversation and tell us what you think of yesterday. Pat says, Hi, gorgeous chat. So you're too kind, Pat on a Sunday. This one, Shane says, Lose against Everton. It's either us or Luten for the drop. I was about to say, our hoddies are quite similar, actually, David. Gariboldi red perch maybe coming next week.

Dedicated followers of fashion, Max. You know what I mean?

Well, exactly. Yeah. Very young- To quote Ray Davis. Right. In fact, let's Let's touch on the substitutions because that would be a good point to start on. Dave, when you look at the depth that Forrest do have, and when you look on paper, Forrest do have some good players on there. And we talk about Deepak Harigi, and we talk about him, and he's a player that's... I keep mentioning, he's played in the Champions League final. You've got Nuno Tavares, who was at Arsenal for a while. You could argue he's a Premier League footballer on paper, not so much on the pitch. But it's just when you're in the dying moments of the game and you're trying to win and salvage everything you can in a relegation battle, the substitutions to me just did not make any sense whatsoever.

A couple of them did. Which one? A couple of them did. I thought Nico Dominguez made us better when he came on. I thought he played well. I thought little Rodrigo Ribero looked a sharp young lad.

Who put a great ball through to Diva Karibi.

Do you know what, mate? I've got I don't do Twitter. Twitter is just hate and hostility and abuse. It's not for me. I've had a tough six months. I don't want to read all of that. And basically, people were just putting the crosshairs at and all. Yeah, the guy made a mistake. We've all made a mistake, we've all made mistakes. You know what I mean? And everybody's like, it's either all terrible or all brilliant. And life is somewhere in the flipping middle. So the Domingo substitution I thought was an excellent substitution. Little Rodrigo, I loved him when he came and I was thinking, I'd like to have seen 10, 15, maybe 20 minutes more of little Rodrigo, a boy. He must have loved being out there and he looked sharp when he came on. Origi, he's living on the reputation he had at Liverpool. I think he's not the force he was. He doesn't look happy. He's no confidence. It's a psychological dilemma. What do you do with Divock? He's having a poor time. Do you take him out the firing line? Or do you say, I know, Divock, I'm going to persevere with you because I know there's something in there.

Personally, I'll be like, just come and have a seat with us, Divock. I don't buy into the... Everybody coming out the ground that I heard basically wish harm against Divock Origi, right? Me, I was thinking all of them, every single one of them allowed Wolves to score from a dreadful corner. So while everybody's blaming Divock Harigi because everybody seems to want to have somebody to hate and somebody to abuse, not me. I don't want to do that. Stand together as a team, fall together as a team. All 11 of them that were on the field when that Wolves equalized went in, all 11 of them were culpable from Matt Sells in goal all the way to Woody. We've been loving what Woody's doing. What was Woody doing in the box? Scottie just said he's 6'7 or whatever and he can't defend corners. I reckon he would have got there and he would have stopped Max Gillman. We'd have had Max Scott against Max Gillman in the box, and Max Scott would have nodded the thing out. So while everybody desperately wants to pile in on Diva Karigi, you either pile in on all the Forest or none of them.

Diva Karigi would look to me like a man He almost had too much time to decide. My view is if young Rodrigo had been on the end of it, the young kid had smashed it, and he probably got in the back of the net. It's all ifs, muchs, and maybes in hindsight. But I thought Nico Domingo's We got better when he came on. We controlled more of the ball when he came on. Yatesy, I love Yatesy, and I will always love Yatesy because you nick him and he bleeds Gary Boldy red. But I just happened to think Nico Domingos is a slightly better footballer. Not much in it, just slightly better. And Nico Domingos, I thought, looked really good when he came on. When he came on, he sat in front of the back floor, took the ball off Marillo and Andy, and allowed Morg and Danilo, who, Max is dead right, Danilo had a crack in it. What I loved about Danilo, that goal that he scored, he started it. He played the ball in and then he followed in. Morg was brought down and he tapped in. So the substitutions, everybody seems to I don't know.

I'm looking at 90, 96 minutes. I'm not looking at substitution. Substitution's come and go. And the only way that you know a substitution is either good or bad is in hindsight, only by looking back. He might have Nuno Tavares and Divock Harigi on yesterday. Nuno Tavares when we cleared off the line and Divock Harigi scores. You just don't know until it's happened. Every manager has to make a decision. You live or die by him, but it's only down the line. But I thought, I've got to give Dominguez. I thought Dominguez was a real post. He would be starting for me, that Goodison next week, definitely instead of Yatesy. And that's nothing against Ryan because Ryan gives everything. I just think Dominguez is better with the ball. And I thought, Little Rodrigo, the ball he put around the back, he's come on. He's come into a bit of a cauldron of a game that's a two-two. There's a lot riding on. There's a lot of tension in the stadium. He's come on and he's had the wherewithal and the presence of mind to put the ball behind the football. It was a beautiful bit of football.

And I'm thinking, let's get him in. I thought it was great that Gio Reina got a game. I think he's a lovely player. He's nice and elegant with the ball and he's good in possession as well. And what Reina does, he doesn't seem like he's busting a gut. He helps the ball around around the field. And I thought he loved it. I do think we missed Anthony. I think we missed Anthony's pace yesterday. There were things about the game that weren't great from Forest, but to say it's all bad or all the stuff She's going to be bad. I'm not buying that. I'm not going to pile into one individual when the whole club stands all falls together.

Max, do you agree there? Because I completely take your point on board, Dave, but when you're in a relegation battle, particularly where Forest are, and you've got a chance. I'm not for one minute saying that the fan base should hate one player. It's the same with Yates. It's the same. Even you could argue with with Sangari and personal hate and things like that. I just don't even come into football. But when a player like a Reeve just got that chance yesterday, and it really is a simple, square the ball to Chris Ward, and you can make it five in five for him, and he's on hot form. And it was just so angry. And you can watch on the highlights, all the Forest fans in the Trent stand there and almost put their arms in the air and almost just question what on earth he is doing there. And that for me, I just feel like it was... I just struggled to see what Diva Karigi offers Every single week to be given a chance to come on for Forest at the moment.

Yeah, I would agree. Who else comes on? That's my question. I'm looking at the bench now. Who else can do that? Well, I would argue he can't. He's not a winger, but he has been for us. I don't think Nuno had many options, but yeah, fans frustration at that particular moment is justified. It wasn't good enough. I think the thing about Divock-O'Reilly, bless him, is Like Dave said, he's not the player that he once was. I think it also speaks more to our transfer approach, which has been really poor. If this is the person that we're relying on, this is the player that we think is going to help contribute to our season, then it's just another stark reminder of that. In terms of the substitutions, Nuno Tavares, it was a really poor performance, and I bring that tweet up tongue in cheek. But I think a more serious question off the back of that is, one, Ollie Einer is a fantastic player, but he doesn't look like he's got 90 minutes in him. He always loses his legs, and I wonder what that is. But I'd like to think for next season that can change.

I know we've instigated or triggered another year on his deal. But also, what has Harry Toffalo ever done wrong? Yeah, agreed. And he's got a fantastic left foot on him. He can really put a dangerous ball in the box, probably where the Wakerigi would be more dangerous in the box than running into it. And so I just find that the whole Taveras thing baffles me because I don't think that he has... I don't think he's contributed much to Forest. And Nuno seems to be hot and cold with him. But hey, that is what it is. We still got the point. It didn't necessarily change anything. But I think questions about Aina's fitness for 90 minutes and where Topolo sits, the plans of Nuno is an interesting one.

Can I just come in there? I totally whole I wholeheartedly agree with Max on Harry Topolo. I don't know whether it's a Portuguese bias or what, but Harry Topolo, to me, is one of our most improved players in the whole squad. He's probably our most improved human being in the whole club after what he's been through and the way he's conducted himself. Wherever we end up next season, Harry's going nowhere. He's part of the fabric now. I think Harry's come on and has had positive impacts in games. Nuno Tavares, unfortunately, I'm afraid, Arsenal, 30 minutes into that FA Cup tie, he's never got away from that being hooked by Arteta. We all remembered it. It's like he came in damaged goods, a bit like Gaetan Bohn came in damaged goods. Unfortunately, Nuno Tavares had done nothing. He has not sat down. Him coming into this club, you would have hoped that he would have had the presence of mind to think, They all remember me from being hooked. I need to prove them wrong. He's done nothing of the sort. In the same way that Ibrahim Sengari has not sat down and thought, 'There's a lot of hype around me.

They paid a lot of money for me. He's done nothing of the sort to make us think. Morgan Gibbs-White does that every week. Morgan Gibbs-White, I think on the ceiling of his bedroom, he's probably got £40 million. And every morning, he gets something he sees. And I thought, I've got to justify the fee. And whether Morgan's having a good game or a bad game, he runs his testicles off to prove that But the fee that was paid for him is worth it. And these guys, Divock, he must understand that what he did yesterday isn't going to go down well. I'm not for hammering the guy. All I saw with Divock and Ricky was there were two options. Do I shoot? Do I swear it to Woody? And he never made his decision in time and didn't either. Now, hopefully that won't become a defining moment of the season, but I've got this terrible feeling that it will. We've got now five games in which to be good enough to make sure that we don't look back to that. Do you know what I mean? Just on the...

Thinking about the sub still, I agree with... I think it's time that Dominguez starts. I think the question For me then is going to... When we play City, is that the game where... Because he started in one of his first games with Forest against City, didn't he? I just wonder, is that the game for him to start? Or is that the game where you need someone like Yates in there? We're going to be chasing our tails either way, I can imagine. But do you want Dominguez to try to give us a little bit more time on the ball, a little bit more composure, or because we're not going to be spending much time on the ball, do you need Yates trying to, with a bit of needle, and try and put them off? Because we've seen what's happened today to Arsenal-Liverpool, and you can't help but think that maybe City have got one more awkward game. And God, I'd love it if it was us because whilst we're at the bottom end, just as a product for the Premier League, I think it's really important that there is a new champion. I said it before we started, but it's beginning to feel like the Premier League is becoming a little bit like French Farmers League, a bit like the Bundesliga in terms of that one team dominance, and I think that needs disrupting.

And so I wonder if Yates can help that, if you like. Yates can help getting away or what do you think?

Do you know what, Max? The theory that you posited is an interesting one because I love them both, and I think it's a toss of a coin. And you might start Ryan and it goes well, or it doesn't go well, and you might start Nicolas, and it might not go so well. I just don't know. I just felt that we were better with the ball when Nicolas Dominguez, come on, but if you want somebody who's going to ruffle feathers, all I would say about Ryan Yates was that Tottenham last, well, almost exactly a week ago to the very moment, first 15 minutes of that game, there were four scruffy fouls, four needless fouls. And you just think with him while... There was I had nothing to do with him and Madison. And Roy Keen, I think he was made the point that if you lived by that, so then you sometimes have to die by it. And I just think sometimes with Yatesy, there's playing on the edge and there's sometimes going beyond it. Now Dominguez, the times I've seen Dominguez... You're dead right, Max. His first game for us was at City, where because Rodri was sent off, we did dominate the second half, although against 10 men, but we still lost.

That's what he was doing. But that day, he looked a guy who could move the ball about and wanted it and all this stuff. Now, Morgan did that against Palace in the latter half of the Palace game. But with Dominguez, I just think he's tidier in his tackling and get a toe in. And I just think he's better with the ball. Now, Ryan Yates, the thing with Ryan Yates is every time his detractors believe that he's reached the ceiling, Ryan Yates finds a way to go beyond it. That's why he still That's why he's the last one remaining, the last man standing from the Wembley team. So I love the kid. I never, ever want to write him off because when you start writing him off, he comes back. Nobody gives more.

Yesterday, it all happened. Well, it was your point earlier, Dave, about social media. Us saying here on this podcast that we don't think Ryan Yates should... Or perhaps we think that Domingo should come in for Ryan Yates. We're not saying that Ryan Yates is a terrible player. We're saying as things stand So of course, it needs to be much more nuanced. Because look, we're probably not going to get anything from City, probably. No. But what I would like to see is us at least try to play a particular way and have a clear way of playing. Now, that's what really frustrated me. I was at the Spurs game. What really frustrated me was that when the subs were made, it looked like they didn't have a clue. I felt that it looked like they'd lost a bit of fight in that Spurs game when they were three, one down. And I just like to see us go to City and look like we can do something. I think for me, perhaps opting for Dominguez against City, I would go for, try to see what See if he can alleviate some of that pressure because he's really good on the ball.

He's a player, isn't he, Dave? I was just going to say that split's opinion. I love doing podcasts with you, so I can always throw the firework in and sit back and almost have a break from asking the question.

Renates in the milk pond, dear boy. Renates in the milk pond.

Exactly. He is a player that splits opinion, isn't he, Dave? And you can speak to one fan who will die on the hill for Ryan Yates and defend him. And you'll speak to others that are on completely the other end of the spectrum in a way in regards to Yates. And it is one of those where for certain games, you just feel like, especially against teams like Tottenham, it wasn't the game for him to start. We touched on it last week on the podcast, but yesterday maybe was for a game for him to start. It was always going to be a bit scrappy against Wolves. There's that rivalry that seems to have come to light with more than in flight. And you did expect him to start. You're expecting him to keep his place. But another poor performance from him, you must be questioning, well, surely Nuno must see something different on the training pitch to play. And of course, Ryan Yates has had a brilliant attitude around the football club. But if you're looking just on the pitch and technical ability of a player, his recent performances would surely argue that Dominguez has to start against Everton next week and a change has to be made in that position.

The thing is, what I did notice about him yesterday was, I think in the previous He's going to take this game at home, he received the ball outside the opposition box and everybody in the ground shouting, shoot, and he didn't. Now, yesterday early on, he had two or three tons. He was desperately shoot. You could see it written all over his face, I'm going to show you a lot. I'm going to shoot, right? If it's effort and it's commitment, then the guy's bomb proof because he gives them a lot every week. But it's just that... To take Max's word, it's the nuance of what he does. We want more nuanced players because this league demands it. This afternoon, I watched Deborah Richieese. Now there's nuance for you. Young Wharton, who Palace have signed from Blackburn, what a player he's going to be. That's one of the finest signings of the season, right? And you want a bit more from your midfield. And with us, that's why Palace are above us because they've got a better midfield than us. And I think since we've come up, our Apart from set pieces, our other Achilles heel has been in midfield.

We haven't controlled enough possession, certainly not last season. We got better at it this year, but we haven't got a general. We haven't got a quarterback. Now, the next we've had to a quarterback I thought was Morgan, second half against Crystal Polys, when Morgan had to drop deeper and Morgan wanted the ball and he was sending stuff left, right, and center. But ideally, you want Morgan further forward, hurting people in their own backyard. Do you know what I mean? So we've never had really... She's not to denigrate any of our lads in midfield because I'm sure they all try hard. I don't buy this idea. If you win, you've tried hard. If you lose, you don't try. Sometimes you try your nuts off and you get beat, right? But I just don't think there's been enough subtlety in our midfield. There's been lots of effort. Pure effort won't take you very far in this league. I mean, maybe Burnley and Sheffield United have been putting lots of effort in, but they just haven't got the quality Chris Wilder himself even said it last night. I think we lack for somebody who can open a game up.

As soon as you've got the vision to say for all the foresters, say, Right, we'll give the ball to them. Back in the day, we had a little fat lad on the left-hand side who everybody gave the ball to and we could dominate a game from the left-hand side. You've never seen a more imbalanced, balanced team in your life than Nottingham Forest, the great forest, because everything went down the left. A little bloke who liked a fag and a pint. We haven't got anybody. We haven't I haven't got a guy who can truly run a game for us. Eze can do it for Palace. The teams at the top have got guys- You don't think Gipsy is that guy for us?

Whether he does it consistently or not, but do you not think he's that player?

I actually do, Max. Yeah, to take your point, I do think Morgan is that guy. I think attitunally and talent-wise, but it's almost like you'd like two or three Morgan's in different parts of the field. You know what I mean? I like that game against Palace when we were awful first off and then came back and got a point when he created what he's brilliant header. Morgan was basically playing in front of the back. Well, I liked him there. But then yesterday, he was further forward and I liked him. Let's give a shout out to Morgan, a small bloke in a box full of big guys to score that hit it to bring us level at a point where I couldn't see a scoring. So it's just that you'd hope that somebody like Sangari would come in and allow it, build a platform that we could develop our play from, but that hasn't happened. It would not surprise me if Sangari was still with us next year, and wherever we end up, eat better next year. Chris Wood, the same. Chris Wood last year, nobody had much love for Chris Wood. Now, he's the best goals per minute striker in this league, better than even the guys at the top, like Watkinson, Haaland, and whoever else.

Our midfield has been more blunt object than cutting implement since we come up. And if we somehow manage to scramble our way to stay up, that needs to be addressed.

Yeah, it does. So it's an interesting point, actually, there, Dave, and Max coming in with the Gibbs-White situation. Can I give a shout out to Gibbs White. And I think I went on Twitter yesterday, and I know you talk about staying off it, Dave. But I actually saw from quite a well-known Wolves journalist that question why Morgan Gibbs White celebrated in that way in front of the Wolves fans. I'd go back there and say, well, when an away end is chanting quite awful chants about Morgan gives white's girlfriend and various things about his baby child, I would argue that he has every right to do that. I just think it was a stupid opinion from that guy, just to throw that in. I thought Morgan did very well yesterday, considering the whole rivalry, and that does spill onto pitch sometimes as well. Right, just moving on, and we're going to have to touch on it. I've made a note in big capitals here about set pieces. We touched on it a little bit at the start, but it needs to be talked about more. We score from one, we then concede from one in about three or four minutes.

Two things that tell the story of Forest season, the mentality of switching off, scoring a goal, and then conceding in the next two or three minutes. You almost know when Forest score now that they're going to concede. It's almost inevitable. And then it's from a set piece. And you just feel like, Max, that has been the story of the season. And we're talking about set pieces every week, but nothing seems to change. And I just wonder what you think in terms of where does that responsibility lie? You can blame the players, yes, on the football pitch, but is that just a coaching point of view? Do they simply need to work on defending corners for hours and hours on the training ground? Is that something from Nuno? Is that something from his coaching staff, this alleged set-piece coach that's supposed to be involved? What is the problem that's constantly causing it?

I think everybody involved has got to take responsibility. But I do fall a little bit... Of course, Coaches need to sort that out. But I think there comes a point on the pitch where if you've conceded that many, eventually, you just start taking control of the situation. If they've told you to defend it zonally and you know that it's not working, then you go man to man or vice versa. I just think He needs leaders on the pitch. Murillo is a fabulous player, but I don't necessarily think he's that leader yet because he's so young. He's in a new country, new language. I don't think we can expect him to do even more than he currently is. I'm looking, thinking, who is it that's shouting? Who is it that's commanding in the box there and putting the bodies on the line every single corner when it happens? But I'm really bored of talking about it. What do I know? The players need to take responsibility, but the coaches need to sort it out. It is embarrassing. It's embarrassing for a top-level football team in the Premier League to be so weak and vulnerable from set pieces.

And it's now a thing, isn't it? It's now a thing that when Forest can see the corner, the Forest The fans' mentality changes, but now the opposition fans know. They know how bad we are. And so there's this double jeopardy where the feeling around the stadium changes, and it just feels inevitable at the minute. But again, a bit like Dave said, it's not for... I can't imagine it's for a lack of effort or a lack of try-in. It's just not good enough. But saying they need to sort it out is the most obvious thing anyone's ever said. And I haven't got anything else to say about it other than sort it out or let's hope that it gets better.

I think if we'd see more of Willy Bolly, that would have made a difference because I get the impression. I watched the thing where Woody was asked to describe all his squad mates in one word. When he got to Willy Bolly, he just said, Father. And I get the impression Willy is a leader in the group. And I thought, the only time Willy played recently was at Luton, and I'm about to shoot me an argument in its foot. At Luton, Willy played really... Actually, No, I'm not about to shoot me an argument in the foot. No, no did that. So Willy played at Luton, and we were the better team at Luton, and we look really calm at the back. And Willy brings that calm. Willy might not be as good as he was, but Willy He used his experience. And that day against Luton, until Willy went off, we looked really solid at the back, and we haven't seen him since. And I just think with his height, I think he reads the game better than a lot of people give him credit for. He's obviously good in the air, and I think he's been pretty solid for us when he's played.

Unfortunately, he's a few of ours. They're on the treatment table more than they're on the green suede of grass. And I think if Willy had played more, I still think we would have been not great at set pieces, but we might have been better than the 22. But it's now the glaring, glowing, sore thumb that everybody in the country knows about. It's a shameful thing, really. And again, you ask for self-awareness amongst the squad. I agree, Murillo. I was on a podcast with some Wolves lads last week, and they said, Oh, he's a fun player, that Murillo. And he is fun. I'm sure soon we will see a goal from 90 yards out. He's going to try it. He tried it, he didn't literally walk far away. He tried it in Tottenham, right? Andy Omabamadeli, I think he's going to be a hell of a player. I really like that kid. Unassuming, quiet, elegant, gets some in the game. Not the full package yet, but he's going to be a good player. I think if we were to drop to the Championship, Andy Omabamadeli would be one of the best players in that division by Matt, and he would really develop.

Hopefully, we'll stay in this league, and Andy will get better. I think Andy's got a great future, really. I like him a lot. But I just think Replace either them with Willy, it might have been better. Not saying it'd been brilliant, but it might not have been as catastrophic, really, because it's such a gaping wound in every team. Everton, Sheffield United, Burnley City, and Chelsea will be thinking, Let's take a big packet of salt with us and pour it in for this gaping set piece wound. They'll all know it. I tell you what, at Brown and Lane, if we can see the corner, that lot will be on it in a flash.

I worry about the Everton. I worry about that Everton as well, just with Sean Dys. In fact, this comment, full credit to Lee for putting it, going up against the strongest set piece in the league next week.

It's a tidy comment, Lee. I go with that, mate.

It's pretty bleak, isn't it? You just always feel that Forest are only going to win games if they need to score two or three or three Calvert-Lewin, Branthway, Beto, Tarkovski, they're going to be right in that box next week.

And that's where you would want Willy to go up against them rather than Andy or Marillo. Do you know what I mean? We just don't look very big on the pitch. Every time- No.

That's another thing with Dominguez, isn't it? The only thing about Dominguez is if he was 6'2, well, he might not be playing for Forest, but he's very diminutive. And Gibbs White makes up for being quite small in aggression and covering the grass. But I just think you need someone like Yates as an athlete, isn't he? He's big and strong. And so those questions do come into mind. Same with City when you're coming up against Rodri, who's just man-mounting. That question, you keep coming back to that because I'm really concerned that that will happen Everton. And so I'm swaying now back towards the eight.

Podcasts say they can do funny things to you, Max. This comment from Simon makes me laugh. I have a plant, pray. Is that in regards to set pieces or to everything? I assume everything. Just quickly before we touch on relegation and this final run-in and everything like that, and obviously a bigger game against Everton next week. Now, let's touch on some positives. And Dave, you're often a man that can seem to pluck out positives from a very bleak situation. So talk to me and talk to the listeners and tell us that everything's going to be all right. But touch on some positives yesterday for me. I thought, Gibbs White, again, we've mentioned him, how vital he is. But we did show aggression. We did show that attacking mentality that we wanted. Front fort, we played They're there for a lot of the game. And we showed passion, we showed desire. It didn't seem for me, or Nuno Tavares and Divo Karigi, that there was... I just felt like there was passion from a lot of the Forest Squad yesterday, and that does stand us in Good stead, given this final running?

Yeah, I agree. You touched, Max, on Morgan and the relationship he's got with the Wolves fans. But some of the things that would be... When somebody's singing about someone's loved one and someone's child, now that to me is truly beyond the pale. I wouldn't dream of doing that. Not to anybody. Don't buy into that. Now, in the past, probably for 20 odd years, Nottingham Forest was a bland, amorphous blob lacking personality. Morgan gives a lot of personality. And if they're giving him grief, What I liked about Morgan, I thought Morgan was excellent yesterday. He's really come back to the floor. He had a few games. I mean, against full of first off, everybody wrote him off after his first quarter, and then he proceeded to produce one of the best Individual performances by a Nottingham Forest player for a long, long time. Yesterday, when he did the stuff, he wanted a bit of personality. For 20 odd years in the Championship, we had no personality. We had nobody here. He's cool. He's got a bit of something to pizazz about him. Morgan's got it right. What was good was, Kunya did it back and Morgan was asked afterwards and it was like, Yeah, fair play.

So I like that. I think Morgan's got Doodle is a personality and character. Murillo has got it. Danilo has got it. Nico Williams is playing so well at the moment. It's one of my favorites. It was his birthday yesterday. I wanted to give him a hug. He's one of my contenders for player of the season because whatever the situation, Nico gives you the lot, tries his guts out. This time last year, he had his jaw broke and all that stuff, and he went to the World Cup and that wasn't easy for him and what have you. He's bounced back. Nico is fantastic. The weird thing is, Matt Sells has been good since he come in. The back four, you couldn't say any of them had a real shocker. We can see it in goal, but it's like the back four is like, youngest lads all learning on the job as they go. To keep them together as a unit for another two or three years. I'll tell you what, I think they're really good. Ola Eina, I think it's been a really good sign. And he's come in, he came in with little fanfare, and he's producing beautiful football.

The football that he did last week to create the chance where would he hit the post. Balls gone over Pedro Poro, chested it down, laid it across. He's a lovely football. He can go out. He seems like his ambidextrous can go left, can go right. We've got some good lads in our team. Can I give you an ultimate hope that will stay up? I honestly don't know. It's almost if I were to say, 'Oh, yeah, Forest will stay up, ' they'll probably go down for us to say, 'Forest. ' I almost feel like now they're doomed. I'd rather say they're doomed because Dave Asper is 100% wrong. He said, talking about himself in the third person. There's lots about how to... I do wish Tywer was fit, and Woody's doing brilliantly. Woody has gone to a level this year that none of us saw last year, me included. I did write him off. I was wrong, again. But it'd be nice for him to have some backup. We're just not quite the complete thing. It's probably going to come down to Usman Luton. Our running now, now that they've got City out of the way, probably is a little harder than those.

I think people are saying, well, wouldn't it be great if Sheffield United and Burnley down by the time we go to Bramble Lane and Turfmore? Personally, I think the Sheffield United game is going to be hard because they loathe us. If they're down, they'll say, right, you lot are coming down with us. That is going to be a battle. However, average Sheffield United are, and they are truly average, they won't make that use.

I think average is a compliment, Dave.

Sheffield United fans tuning in for some positivity. You're average.

I can see us getting clipped. If Sheffield United beat Forrest with the face of Sheffield United. I have his Twitter for a week.

The thing is, none of these games are easy. If we were to win next week, then that would be huge. But that's going to be really difficult. They're all difficult. I actually probably think The one that I'm more hopeful that we win is Chelsea at home. I fancy is to beat Chelsea because Chelsea are a billion pounds worth of, well, yogurt, basically, aren't they? You know what I mean? There's nothing there, is it, really? Just low fat yogurt with a sprinkle sling of cold palm. And there's not much else that you get. You don't get much for a billion pounds these days, do you? Max, do I know whether we stay up or not? No. I'll tell you this time, five weeks from tonight, I'll tell you then. If we go down, then we'll have to lump it. If we stay up, great. And then we get better next season. But I honestly don't know, mate. Really don't know.

Just finish us off there then, Max. Closing points, another big game away at Goodison next week. Not going to be easy. The El Pointe de Ducto rivalry takes place. Sorry, I had to do it. How are you feeling, Max? Can you honestly see Forest staying up?

Yeah, I can see us staying up. That's what we want. Yeah, we're ahead of Luton. We're a point ahead of Luton. We're better than Luton.

Goal difference.

Yeah, goal difference. I think from the Fulham game, parts of the Palace game, half an hour of the Spurs game, most of the Wolves game. We're showing that we can be a threat. I don't want to talk about corners, but we got to sort those out. But yeah, of course, I can see us staying up. I can also see us getting relegated because Luton have that magic. Luton, they are the story this season, I think. As journalists, we're always looking for that story. It's why Luton gets so much coverage. It's why the conversation seems to be or the feeling from the media is that they want Luton to stay up, and I don't blame them. What's a story? I think Forest have made some enemies because of the way that they've approached transfer market and the refereeing stuff, things like that. And by that, I mean, Mark Clattenbow's appointment, not the referees who have made some awful decisions against us. And so, yeah, of course, I can see Luton staying up as well, and that would be our expense. I really don't think I think Everton are probably going to be okay. But, yeah, I think I've seen plenty in the past few games enough to make me say with confidence that I really do think we can.

But look, a moment can change a game. Just anything can happen. There are a myriad of scenarios where it all goes pair-shaped for us. Ask Mewrich, Mat.

Ask Murek.

Yeah, Yeah. I'm confident. I think Morgan gives why it's on a one-man mission to keep this football club up before he probably goes on to another club. I just think for him, I would love that because I think he's just a really fabulous representative of the football club. And it maintained a level of consistency, of calm, but equally, he's fiery when he needs to be. And just to reiterate what you said, Max, about comments made that he shouldn't be celebrating like that. What game do you want? Some beige game where footballers just bend over and let themselves get abused by fans and then don't show any character in response. I think it's absolute farce that someone would even suggest that. He's put his fingers in his ear against his old club. Get over it. Stop crying. And I I just think it's a dangerous precedent. It's a dangerous precedent to suggest that football players... I think it's dangerously close to saying that football players should just accept the abuse that they get from fans. They should just accept abuse and towards their loved ones and children I mean, crikey. That's why Dave saying it is not on Twitter, I completely understand it.

It'd be great to do it, I think, for Morgan. Obviously, for the fans, the most important thing, but I think Morgan gives why it deserves that, to be on his CV, that he led the club into safety in a really tumultuous season. And so, yeah, that'd be good.

Absolutely.

Well said, mate. Nicely. Yeah, We're out of time, sadly, on this Sunday. Yeah, just another interesting chat, but we'll be here most weeks discussing it. And fingers crossed, Dave, as you said, five weeks time from now, before I go on my holidays, we'll be talking about Forest. I'm in a good Forest having a good... Forest having a nice end to the season. Forest ultimately, it'll be a big side of relief.

Remember, Brighton's first four seasons in the Premier League, 15th, 17th, 15th, 16th. Never got away from that. If we can recreate that, great. Just stay in this lead.

Good stuff. Just a few final things for me before I go. Massive shout out to Noel and Amy from Belfast yesterday. They came and said hello and were big listeners of the Garriboy The Red podcast. So a shout out to them. Also the couple from Sydney that said hello as well, that also listened. It's nice to hear good feedback. So please do keep listening, subscribing, sharing. Dave, go on. You've got one last thing to say. Take it away.

I want to I'd like to give a little shout out as well to two lovely people I met in the concourse of the Trend10 yesterday, Simon and Bridget, who had lovely things to say about this podcast. I'd like to say hello to those two. They're absolute diamonds, bear of it.

Lovely. Good stuff. Yeah, thank you. And then Dave flying the flag for the Garabody Red. I'm sure you walk around with a massive Garabody Red sticker on your head.

Now the nine-inch nails hat on, mate.

Right. I think that does us nicely as Forest get a point that may prove vital at the end of the season. Who knows? Max, Dave, thank you. As always, do like, share and subscribe on YouTube. Leave us a review on Spotify and Apple podcasts. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday. Dave, got to say it, Max is this weekend. They've been on fine for me, Max Scott, and I am maximus, even won the Grand National, too, from all I've already read. Have a wonderful Sunday. Bye-bye.