And a mad week for Forest. It is slightly calmer as we enter an international break, although it's never a door day for Nottingham Forest, reasons we won't go into in other bits and pieces that me and Dave have just been talking about before we came and recorded and started this. But we are live on Facebook, Nottingham Forest News and YouTube, Gareble already read for the next half an hour or so to answer your Forest-related questions. We've already got some sent in to us on the magic of Twitter or X as it's now known. But if you're watching on Facebook and YouTube throughout today's podcast, you can get your comments in and me and Dave will do our best to answer them. They can be anything forest-related or if you want to know, I don't know, any information about Dave or what tea he likes or his favorite food, then you're more than welcome to add those comments in. Afternoon, Dave. Sun shining out the bedroom window for me and happy Friday. How are you feeling after the points to And yeah, how's life, mate? Good to see you.

Yeah, it's okay, mate. A bit achy from some time in the gym this week, but I put some work in and you pay the price. Got a game of footie at half four this afternoon, which I'm looking forward to. Sun's out. And with regards to the points to Deduction, knowing is better than not knowing. At least we know now, we know where we are and we can move forward from it and hopefully use it as a motivational tool to get as many of the 27 that are still left on offer to in the coffers. Yes.

That brings us nicely onto our first question, actually, which has set us up. Jamie has asked, What are your thoughts on the points deduction? Both, will we go down and do you think we should appeal? Obviously, Forest have seven days to appeal. That was seven days from Monday. So basically, they've got this weekend to decide. Judging from the club's statements that Forest put out, I suspect they will appeal. Lots of people think they will. But But in terms of that, Dave, for me, opens up a can of worms. It could even get us more points deducted. We have broken the rules. Four points isn't that bad. I mean, for you, do you think Forest should appeal, or is this a sense of, move on, take it on the chin, a little bit like the referee decisions, and we almost use it as that siege mentality?

Should they appeal? I don't know, Max, really. I don't have a view either way of that. With regards to the four, I was always resigned, mate, to six, but I'm not happy that it's four instead of six. I'd rather it be none. The people are not. Great, it's four instead of six. No, I'd rather it be none. We know what it is now. Forest, from what I can gather, were extremely transparent with everything, extremely cooperative, hid nothing from the investigators, which It seems to be the only mitigation to get it from six to four. I mean, to start with eight as your target when it's nine for insolvency, seemed a little bit draconian to me. But it is what it is now, Max. Regarding the statement that came out, I thought it was brilliant. I thought it was absolutely superb. And I And what Nottingham Forest did, they basically spoke for themselves and 85 other clubs. Basically, what Forest was saying is, You six are over there wanting to remain untouchable. Every time one of us, be it Nottingham Forest or Everton or Leicester City or whoever else wants to spend money to try and compete with you, we get pulled back for it.

And it It was almost like Forest saying what a lot of football fans think that the elite is protecting itself and wants to stay elite and doesn't want anybody else to break into that upper echelon. I mean, it literally is speaking for Everybody from us, Villa, Brighton, Fulham, Luton, Sheffield United, all the way down to Forest Green, Rovers, and Sutton United, Colchester, and teams like that near the bottom of lead, too. And it's saying, That six over there just want to protect themselves. ' They want a six-team league, effectively. And I thought the statement was absolutely brilliant. It was so good, Max, that statement that each line was cut out and transmitted verbatim on the ticker tape on Sky Sports Rolling News on Monday. I thought it was a brilliant statement. Whoever worded it deserves a hell of a lot of credit. I remember somebody saying it was a fiery, quite angry statement. I thought, 'What the hell? ' Look at that. And I was thinking, 'When I came to I was thinking, Oh, please don't have to say the wrong thing. Don't kick the hornet's nest and make it worse. ' And then I read it and I thought it was fantastic.

It was almost a call to arms. It was almost like a slight declaration of war on the big six. And it was great. People at Ipswich town, Hull City, West Bromby, Chalbury, and Leeds, Southampton, you name it. They'll all be looking at that and thinking, 'If we've got the money, and let's remember, however zany The transfer business became last year. I always got the impression, 'well, it's Mr. Marenackes' money. It's up to him what he does with it. He stood on the balcony of the Council house in Market Square that day after we'd beaten Huddersfield at Wembley. And he said to Steve, as it was at the time, I'm going to give you what you want to be able to compete in this league. ' And he put his money where his mouth was. It might have been a bit dual the way he did it, But Mr. Marenackis stated a name, and then he followed it up with money. I just think, okay, the rules are the rules, and you have to abide within them. But at the same time, they keep changing and they keep moving. And there's a lot of football people, a lot of people who love football, they're finding their love of it compromised by not looking at a table and some standards are authentic.

Well, Everton might have a few taken Forrest might have some more taken off. I read this week that if Forrest don't sell a key player or a couple of key players, they're likely for another one. So it's almost like the distance between them six and the rest of us. It's been stretched even further, it seems to mean. Well, yeah, the points of deduction is what it is. It's done now. We have to react to it like Everton reacted at the time. When Everton had 10 taken off, they went on a run, they got them all back pretty quickly. So I hope that Nuno and the lads will use it as a motivational tool and go and get them back. But it's all very... We're talking about business and accounts and ledgers and- Things that football should never probably cross paths with in a way.

I agree. I agree, which is quite funny because there's a few comments about that. Martin asks, should we contest the four-point seduction? Surely we have nothing to lose after seeing Everton's reduced. Obviously, similar to what we've just been talking about. I think, in my opinion, Dave, when you look at that, the reason is, and Forest have broken the rules, and look, none of us agree with the rules. You're spot on, Dave, about the top six and there being that gulf of quality, and the smaller teams trying to compete with the top six. That's the problem that Forest have faced themselves under and have been punished for that, basically. And the rules should be changed. They're going to be changed in the summer. It's just that, sadly, Forest. Too late for us. Yeah, exactly. Too late for us. So I'm just not sure whether this going on and on is good news for Forest, which is quite nice because Chris says, Can't wait for the season to end. No matter what happens, this hasn't been about football in terms of this season. I can't remember my last conversation about football. It's been about referees and FFP.

And that is the problem at the moment. I feel that every podcast, every day, every conversation in a pub with a Forest fan or any football fan in general, when you tell them you're a Forest fan. I was in an Uber on the way to somewhere in Manchester this morning, and the Uber driver was talking to me. He was a Bolton fan. We were on about Forest, and straight away, the first thing he says is about the points deduction. And that's all that's dominating the football club at the minute. And it would be nice to almost focus on the pitch, Dave, and turn that anger and frustration into results, wouldn't it?

Yeah, it would, mate. I felt that. For me, they had a perfect chance to do that at Brighton after the anger from the Liverpool game. And unfortunately, they didn't do it. They were really, really poor at Brighton. And as you say, mate, it's so all in that we have to talk about money and we have to talk about officials and all. I want to talk about the movement of a football around a beautiful piece of green grass with human beings at speed, with skill and technique and determination and fighting qualities and all this stuff. But now we end up... We talk about the peripheral stuff around football. We don't actually talk about the football, the game itself. And it's deeply... It makes me despair, really, Max. Obviously, I've been on this planet quite a bit long than you, mate, so I can think alongside, mate. So I can think back to those days when it seems all about the business now, and it's like the meritocracy of the What's going on on the field? But the thing is, I yearn for some parity. I've used the example. I was on a pod last night, I used the example of the NFL.

Now, the NFL and Roger Goodell and their commission over there, what they want is they want parity. At the start of every season, the second Sunday in September, 32 teams in the NFL set off thinking, Pierre, we can reach Super Bowl. Similarly with the NRL. I love the Australian rugby league. It's just tough for league sports-wise. Is there anywhere in the world? Eighteen teams set off at the start of that. They just set off the last couple of weeks thinking, We can go to the grand final in Sydney or Melbourne, wherever it is. In this country, I don't know, 17 out of the 20 teams set off thinking, Just give me 17th and above, and that'll do me. Whereas there's two or three who think, Right, we can win it. And it's just boring. It's really, really boring. You have all these It's like previews of the season before and then why don't they just... They could cut them all. It'll be City, Liverpool, or Arsenal. Forget the rest. You know what I mean? And it's tiresome. It's like a lot of Forest fans won't like me saying it, but I remember, if you go back 2015, 2016, and Leicester City won the League as 5,000 to one of the outsiders.

I mean, being a forestman, I'm not supposed to say anything nice about Leicester, but we were in Championship at the time. And the more and more, Leicester stayed at the top and caught to snoop at the big guns, the better it became. And there's a feeling, Leicester had just been charged, and they're going to go through what we've gone through. And it's almost like you almost feel like, well, they're being punished now from temerity to win the Premier League back in the day and break the monopoly. Do you know what, Max? I don't know, economically and government departments, they have the Monopolies and whatever Emerge Commission. Monopolies always seem to be not a good thing. We've got a monopoly in football. I mean, you look at the FA Cup semifinals, I'm looking at the FA Cup semifinals, go on, Country City, win the FA Cup. All our finals these days are boring because it's always the same teams that get through. You know what I mean? And football is just going through this loop where the same thing keeps happening, Max. Yeah, I agree.

It's Leicester won the FA Cup, win the Premier League, become an established Premier League side, albeit until last season, and they get punished for it. I completely agree, Dave. Phil does as well. Spot on, Dave. Martin asks, How disappointed has Sangari been this season? He does the business most matches for the Ivory Coast, but it's not working for him in the Garibaldi. We should have kept Mangala. Do you agree with that, Dave? I do feel like Sangari has got more to show, hasn't he? I just feel like for the money we've paid for him, given Brennan's sale as well, he's got a long way to go to prove himself, hasn't he?

He has. Ibra has been a disappointment, to be honest with you. He's a big lad. He looks a beast when you see him, but he just doesn't quite... He isn't quite fulfilling all the... There was a lot of hype when we signed him, from what he'd done at Eindhoven. He played brilliantly for Eindhoven against the Rangers, I think in a European Cup, Champions League qualifying game. We thought, Wow, this guy's a player. I spoke to people from other clubs going, and they were all like, wow, you've got yourself a player there in Sangare. For whatever reason, it hasn't quite happened. Yeah, he's disappointing. We've paid a lot of money, but then again, you pay a lot of money and it's no guarantee you're going to get yourself a great player. I mean, like Manchester United have spent untold millions on Anthony. He's not done very much, really. Okay, he had a decent game last week and he had a decent game against us last year, but he hasn't really backed it up. So Ibraz still needs to get and make an impact. I did feel at Luton on Saturday that he had a slow start, but I thought he got better as the game went on.

But you just want him to... We haven't had anybody really bosses in midfield. I mean, Mangala, Max, turned to Oral. I'd have kept Oral because I thought Oral was our best guy for keeping the ball in midfield. Yeah, me too. I was disappointed when Oral left. I thought he was a good, solid, quiet player, Oral. He went under the radar, but I bet quite a lot of our lads were sad to see him go as well. But again, it is what it is. I know he's trying to have a spilt milk now, but to answer the question, Ibrahim has It's been disappointing, but I think there's a player in there. And Oral, I would not have let Oral go because I just felt he was our best guy keeping the ball.

Yeah, spot on. I agree. But it can be interesting to see how Sangari plays out and if Forest find themselves in the Championship next year, how a lot of the players we've got, which is interesting and leads me nicely onto the next question that we got on Twitter. We will switch back from Twitter and from YouTube and Facebook, by the way. So do keep your comments coming towards Dave and myself. Someone's asked here, Leith asks, Will Forest stay up? I think we've already touched on that quite a lot. But Can the podcast see a Championship 11 from our existing squad, including the players currently on loan at the club, that would realistically stay and take us back up again to the Premier League? Now, that's a really good... It's a great question.

It's a cracking question.

Brilliant question. I think so, Dave. I think the likes of Morgan, Murillo, Sangare, if the worst happens, possibly Anthony, would leave. But apart from that, I think the situation would be similar to a Leeds style situation last season when they got relegated. They managed to keep quite a lot of Premier League players, you'd say, Bamford, Nonto, Harrison, et cetera. Ruta. Until he went. But for Forest, it would be so difficult, wouldn't it? If the club got relegated of where you'd go next and where your almost big names, if you like, big players like Morgan and Sangari would end up, Dave.

Yeah, it's a cracking question. Actually, who asked the question, by the way? What's the name?

Lace.

Lace. Well, I've been thinking what Lace has been thinking. Will we go down I don't know. I was asked on Monday and I said yes, but then I was really disappointed about the points introduction. I was in the sly of the spawn, Max, so it wasn't the right time to ask me, Do I think we're going to? I honestly don't know. Burnley don't know. Everton don't know. Luton don't know. Brentford don't know. We're all in that, don't know. Shefford United, they don't know yet. But if we were to go down, I think there's a makings of a good solid Championship side. I don't think Selsy is going to go. Harry Toff Andy on the Obama Daily, Mousse, Dominguez, Yacy. Yacy is not going anywhere because Yacy went away from Nottingham Forest. He probably just with it because he is Nottingham Forest. Josh Bowler is playing well for Cardiff. He could come back. There are other guys knocking about. I think Forest would... If Forest were to go down, I think Morgan would be definitely going. Morgan would be cherry-picked for sure. I think Tywo might be cherry-picked. Divox, obviously, is going to go back to AC Milan, and then I think he's been sold on from there.

Woody, I don't think Woody will go anywhere. I think Woody will stay with us. Nico is an interesting one because Nico scored for Wales last night, and I think Nico has been lovely. He's played really, really well these last few weeks, Nico. He's gone from those good cameos that he put in at the start of the season. Now Nico's in the side playing really, really well. Somebody, a Premier League side might come and think, well, we'll have Nico Williams off you. He's an international player. I said he had a cracking game last night. Ola is knocking about. I don't see Ola going anywhere. I think there is a makings of a side that if it went down, it would definitely challenge to come straight back up for sure. But as I say, the ones to go, Morgan, I think Morgan would definitely go. I mean, Morgan might have to end up being sold anyway to avoid another points deduction, which is what I've read this week. Tywo, I think. The only trouble with Tywo is Paul keeps picking injuries up. He spends more time than that does in the treatment room. I'm sure it's winding him up as much as winding everybody else.

I think he's a genuinely good guy. Domingo should stay, I think. We won't be having to bring in five or six loans Again, like we did the last time before we came up. I'd be relatively confident, Max, if we went down, we would at least challenge to come back up. I'm not going to go, said gunghose, say, We'll go down and we come straight back up. It doesn't work like that. I mean, Leicester looked like they were going to go down and then come straight back up, and all of a sudden, they've got a flat spot, Leicester have. Whether Leicester's flat spot, Max, is related to PSR stuff, only people within the club will know that. I'm relatively confident making good Championship side there, mate, definitely. If we were to go down, we might still be a Premier League team, but we just don't know, mate.

That's So Matthew says a good point. If we go down, I have a few players we could look for. Philip Zincanagel, Keenan Davis, Steve Cutt, Jack Kullback. I feel like they're big good one, this Championship side. I tell you what- We all know Zincan loves you, Dave. Philip Zincanagel, Was a big fan of Matchday with Max and a big fan of Dave. He was.

And I'll tell you what, mate, get Zincs' film star looks back in here. We're losing the most beautiful human being that's ever lived, Felipe, because the big man's going. Our lovely ladies in Nottingham Forest say that they need some eye candy. Let's get Zinks back in. I like Zinks. I know Zinks could be infuriating good one day, not so good the other, but good player. Got a bit about him, but I don't see any of those coming back, Max, at the moment. But the thing is with Nottingham Forest, the story takes twists and turns and it goes down rabbit holes and all sorts. Just never know. The one thing, every tricky tree is guaranteed, Max. It's never dull, is it?

It isn't. You're right. It's never going to be a dull moment in the forest history.

It might be nice if it were... You know what, Max? It might be nice if it were dull and we were just like Crystal Palace in the middle of the table and nobody noticed us but with Forest, aren't we?

It's football, isn't it? It is football as well. I used to love Zink's cameo at the end where he turned to the forest. Forest used to do a clip of him in social media, and he'd go, Bam, ass, when we'd won, and it was brilliant. And I thought, Those were the good days.

Do you remember what I remember having, Max? Do you remember we beat Derby at home, 2-1, and Brennan scored the winner. Zink pulled the ball back, and Brennan scored the winner. And at the end of the day, I think, oh, Ravel Morris got sent up. And there was a big kerfuffle involving the Forest Lads and the Derby Lads, right? And what I remember is Zink & Argel started it. But having started it, but I mean, started it, Zinca Nogels thought, Oh, I've had enough of this. And he went off on his own to give his shirt to a little lad who came out the train. And he was acting all in. So he was brilliant. He gave the little lad his shirt, Zinks did, and he was acting as if, Oh, I'm not What's going on over there is nothing to do with me. And I remember a chicken, Hey, mate, your little Danish tinka, you've just started that. You know what I mean? I remember Breast getting involved in all sorts. But good day, that was... Any day being derby is a good day, isn't it, mate?

It is. It is. Yes. Yeah, you're right, David. I was about to say it might be next season, but that isn't what we want. That isn't what we want.

We're glad about it. No, it isn't what we want, mate.

Dan asks on Facebook, If we go down, do we sack the manager? Of course, at new, no. That's a very interesting one. Again, it would be parallel to something like Leicester and Leeds going down last season. I cannot see Dave with the way that Forest are run. This isn't my opinion, but the way that Forest are run and the Maranacas ownership that Nuno, Aspireto, Santa would be given a chance in the Championship and himself probably wouldn't want to be in the Championship managing. I just can't see it, David. I don't know about you, but I think if we got relegated, I think Nuno would leave.

I agree. I think if we go down, there'll be some very, very rigorous naval gazing And I think there'll be a complete reset. I have not so much with the playing staff, but I think in terms of the coaching direction and all that, I think there'll be a complete reset. I think if we go down, I'd be very surprised if Nuno was still here next season, Max. That said, his Championship record with Wolves is a brilliant one. What he did with Wolves was fantastic. But that was then and this is now. You almost feel that if Forrest do go down, someone will have to carry the cannon in a modern football, Max. It's always the coach that carries the cannon. My view is if we do go down, then I don't I think Nuno will be our manager next season.

Yeah, I agree with that. Right, let's do some more questions that we had on Twitter. This one's quite interesting. Andy asks, Are we going to back the manager? I'm guessing at the moment, he means currently, and bring the atmosphere back to the city ground? It has been so flat recently. It has, hasn't it, Dave? And we've talked about it on previous podcast, and results do stay good atmosphere. But now the points deduction stuff is out of the way, albeit that Forest don't appeal. There's got to be that togetherness now off the pitch, and the fans really do have to make... I think the atmosphere against Palace at the city ground is going to be... It's going to be something special. It's going to be electric, isn't it?

It is, mate. I think the Palace game, you'd like to think it'll be as hostile as it possibly can be. You'd like to think Palace are walking into an ambush. To be fair, Glazen is a clever man. He'll know what's coming. We have to use it. It's this sense of hurt and pain and injustice. You either wither it on the vine or you fight back. The only thing is, as I go back to the Brighton game, I wanted that anger from the Liverpool game translated into performance at the Amex. It didn't happen. And it was really poor on Forest part that day. That was the worst away day I've had with Forest, Max. There were personal stuff going on. And then Forest were just... All that time invested going there and whatever. And okay, we have no divine right to a result. I have no entitlement to a win at Brighton, but it'd been nice to have seen some forest presence there, but it didn't happen. It's got to happen against these next two games at home, the Palace and the Fulham game. We need to get something out of them, and the fans need to be engaged.

I'm not sure that Nuno is the guy that's going to go and engage the fans I don't know. He's not that fella. What I would say is I was at the Kenny on Saturday, and at the end of the game, there was some... What's the word? Disgruntlement. He came over and there were some fans giving him a bit of a volley, and then some of the players got a volley and all that stuff. I've seen accusations that at Kenilworth Road, they weren't trying. I think that's nonsense. If Forest had a 1-1-0 at Luton town, would everybody have been trying? But because they gave away a late equalizer, they weren't trying. I saw Ryan Yates run his nuts off last week. Willy Bolley played really I think really, really well. I think Willy is a crucial guy for us going forward. I thought, Morgan Gibbs-White ran his nuts off. I didn't see anybody not trying last week. We were the better side. Our Achilles heel, unfortunately, just give these daff goals away. But say People assume that if a match is won, the players are trying, if a match is lost, they weren't trying. You can try your guts out on a bad day, and the harder you try, the worse it gets.

And I've seen some accusations of our lads this week, people going on about what they're wearing and the millionaires and what cars he drives and all this stuff. Otter nonsense. I was in the Kenny and Forrest had to go through a little bit of a period where Ross Bartley dominated the game. He had three shots early on, but in the end, Forrest was a better side. It was just galling that we didn't get the win. The trouble is, we knew now as well, managers these days seem to get rated or whatever on substitutions. And the substitutions, and the substitutions I'm sure they were made for what he believed were the right reasons. But hindsight proved them they were wrong. Basically, most football fans don't ever want to defend a put on. They just want to attack all the time. Well, that's an idealistic nonsense. Sometimes you have to put defender on. If Nuno had put... I'll tell you what, if Nuno had put four attackers on last week or five attackers on, and Forrest had still given the goal away, would people still think the substitutions were bad? At Brighton, When it wasn't very good, at one point, he had four or five forwards on the field, if I remember rightly.

I don't know. There certainly isn't a great emotional bond between between the people in the stands, Max and our manager, like there was with the previous guy. But the previous guy was a completely different human being for his own individual requirements, he needed that. Steve, when he came in, he looked at it from the round and thought, I need this city and this football club. They need to be brought back together. And yeah, it didn't work out in the end, but he definitely did. Bring on that. I have yet to hear, 'you're here, you just can't get enough. ' And then a couple of times, they've played 'just can't get enough' in the city ground, Max. And then people have gone, 'steve, ' he's not our manager anymore, is he? You know what I mean? So I still think there's a lot of fondness for Steve Cooper. But the thing about Steve Cooper is he's not the manager anymore. So to talk about Steve actually is just a waste of air, mate, really. But I just worry that there isn't that emotional connection from the stands to the money, but we need it against Crystal Palace.

In fact, we need it nine times from now on. Yes.

No, I agree, Dave. That is the thing that many Forest funds have been calling and results do drive the atmosphere as well and just results have been great at the minute. We'll go with the last questions. This one came on Twitter. I think it's a great question. Susie asks, Max and Dave, who was the Forest manager that you felt was the most hard done by? I'll kick it off and I'll say, and this gives me a cheeky chance to plug the interview we did with him. I'll say Mark Warbotton. I thought Warbotton was hard done by at Forest. I think a little bit more time. I think he was at his peak in terms of a managerial career. I think he was a good guy. I think just genuinely, we were four points off the playoffs. We were on a bit of a bad run, and they sacked him, which gives me a chance to plug the podcast we did with him. So if you're at a loose end this weekend, that isn't the reason why I've answered the question of Mark. I genuinely think that Forrest were hard. I think Forrest sacked Warbiton harshly, and he goes into that and we have a chat, me and him, and it's a really good chat.

So if you do want to listen, it's on YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcast, where you always get your Forrest content. So do give that a watch or a listen over the weekend. It's a really nice listen. Because there's no football, you might enjoy it. Dave, what about you, though? Who do you think was the manager that was unfairly sacked throughout your time of supporting Forest? A lot longer than me.

Let me just turn the phone off.

See, this is the magic of live TV. As Dave Aspey said last week, what was it? That's the danger of live TV.

Never were. Never worked with children, animals or Dave Aspey. That was the estate agent mate blessing. He's a cracky lad, but he's got to wait a minute because the manager for me who was the most harshly dealt with was Shona Driskill. I thought his second on Boxing Day after we'd beaten Leeds 4-2 was just... It was a nonsense, really. Matthew's reading my- In the ear on the head.

Matthew says Shona Driskill.

Yeah, absolutely. That's the one that sticks with me. I remember, I mean, those days, Max, I didn't really... I was mad, Forrest, but I was living in Bournemouth and I was either playing or managing every weekend, so I could never get to matches. But I do remember being up home for Christmas. And I was with my brother on Boxing Day afternoon and we were following them. It was an early kickoff, I think, and Forrest went forward. Yeah, it was. I played really, really well. And Sean O'Driscoll, I know for a fact that I met his daughter. His daughter was the girlfriend of a lad who played for me in Bournemouth, right? And his daughter was a lovely girl. And the O'Driscoll family were a nice family. And Sean was always like this quite thoughtful. He was not an outgoing man, but a thoughtful, intelligent guy. And I thought his treatment by the worst owner our clubs ever had was pretty scantish. It was really nice, to be honest.

Yeah, it was. And I can remember that day and we ended up having Alex McLeish after, which was interesting. And then Billy part 2. We've had to Do you know I just sit down and there's a great video, and it was released a good few years ago. Copper90 did a brilliant trailer on Forest, and they got all the fans that they got on, and their special guests, and they had Matt Ford and Helena Doughty and all these other Forest fans. And everyone sat down and they went through how many managers we've had since Brian Cluff and some went, Is it 16? Is it 12? 11? 8? And then one got it right, and they listed them all. Billy Davis, Alex McLean, Please, Shorno Driskill, Chris Hilton, Mark Warbotton. And the list goes on and on. I just think sometimes, you know David. And that's why managers like Cooper will be remembered forever as a club legend because of what he did for the football Yeah.

I was fine. I was found those years from... I mean, Cluffy, brilliant, obviously, the greatest. The old boy, the immortal, the incomparable, he would have been 29 years to date and just the greatest of them all. We were lucky that we had the greatest manager football has ever seen, right? And I'll stick me in. There have been some great Shanks, Busby, Jocsteen, Al Framsey, some great managers. Cluffy, the greatest of all His achievements tell you, he's the greatest of all of them. Harry Bassett did a fantastic job. Frank did a great job. Steve did a great job. But times around that, I used to think the joke would, not even for as long as he's serving manager. He's been there three quarters of an hour. He's had enough time to make a cup of tea and then get sacked. You know what I mean? And it's embarrassing. The turnover is embarrassing. All our success was in our period of Greatest Stability, Max, when from January the sixth '75 to I think it was, or whenever when the great one left. You know what I mean? And it just shows that continuity and stability are so important.

But at the time, unfortunately, we had an owner who, he'd never kicked a football. If he showed him a football, he'd have probably tried to eat it. You know what I mean? It was always deeply embarrassing. Like you say, Max, the conversation you've had this week, people have been keen to want to get onto the subject of points deductions. Back in those days, people were keen to say, Oh, who's your manager this week? They had every right to mock because it was a standing joke. It was a standing, sitting, leaping, jumping joke, really.

Yeah, it was. And now, Nuno, a spirit of Santa the Forest manager. He has a tough job on his hands as Forest in the relegation zone after the point seduction this week. But fingers crossed, we've got an international break now this weekend, a rare weekend off of Forest. I don't know what I'm going to do myself. I might go and watch Stockport County. I think they're playing MK Don's tomorrow and I'll have a football there.

So I might go there. Quick train from Piccadilly.

So I go and watch. The weekend off from football spent with watching football. That's the way to do it.

It's a busman's holiday, isn't it? I'm going to go to the gym in the morning, the gym on Sunday, and then I'm going to go back to Mom and Dad's and pick up a few bits of water to the house cleaned. So I think that's what the estate agent is ringing up. He's got somebody to get the house for his house. That's all me.

Yeah, good. I will let you speak to the estate agent. Thank you for all your questions. It's been really fun doing this. We'll do another one in the next few weeks. We will see you on Monday for our main episode as well, despite obviously no forest this weekend. Dave, anything else for you left to say? Any words of advice? No, wisdom.

You're not going to get wisdom from me. Wizzened, maybe, Max, but not wisdom. Because I'm like 60 and I'm Just as juvenile. Now I'm 60 as I was when I was 6 or 16. Can I just say, actually, Max, the questions that have come in have been really good, and it gives me confidence. Our fan base is an intelligent community, so that's been good, mate. It's raised my spirits a bit.

Good stuff. Right, we will see you Monday for our main episode. Sarah will be back with me and a few special guests, and then we'll see you throughout next week as Forest have a huge game at home to Palace after the points deduction. So Forest hit with a four points deduction on Monday. Richie soon out visits the cityground today. I'll let the listeners decide which one's worse. Bye-bye.