Hello, everybody. Happy Saturday. Welcome along to Garibaldi Reds. I'm Max Days, your host. I'm with you live for the next 20 minutes this morning to discuss Forrest's performance last night against Spurs as it now becomes one win in 13, three home defeats on the bounce, two away wins in 28, and a win ratio this season of 18 %. Welcome along. That sounds fun, doesn't it? Joining me to discuss all of that and more is Forest fans, Callum and Dan. Callum, let's start with you. Morning, mate. Thanks for coming on again. Good to see you. What did you make of the performance last night? Because I don't think it was too bad, but it was just same old forest with silly errors, really, wasn't it?

Yeah, thanks for having us. Yeah, it was still obviously an improvement on Fulham, and it was similar to the Wolves' performance in terms of tenacity. It was just lacking a bit of quality, wasn't it? Almost everywhere. I think that I don't know, there's some good opportunities, but there's just no one to finish them off. And when you keep us doing what he did for the second goal, there's no real way back into it, even against 10 men. It just seems like we're lacking a lot everywhere. I think even though it's a second game that we've gone with an unchanged side, and it's obviously that side that keepers picked to pull him out of a bad situation the player he trusts, and they've played well both times. It's just not been enough, and we're desperate for a striker on where it just doesn't feel like we're ever going to score, even against 10 men. I've said last night we've played against 10 men four times a season and we've only scored a panel where we haven't scored from open play. So it was an improvement, but with the stats you've just pulled out there, it's not good enough at the moment still.

Even though it was a good performance against a good Spurs team. I say good, it was an okay performance. You'd say that maybe another lesser team we might have scored or beat, but I don't know. And who's lesser? We come up against Bournemouth next and you'd probably hope for a win there at home, but they're on fire. So I don't really know where the next goal and next point is going to come from, to be honest.

Yeah, Bournemouth is the most informed team currently in the Premier League, so that'll be fun next week. We are live as well on YouTube and Facebook, Garibaldi Redd and Nottingham Forest News. If you want to get your comments to me, Callum, or Dan, then you're more than welcome to do so. Dan, you sit in the lower Bridge at Forest. What did you make of it from your seat last night? Did you think it was just the same old Forest with the silly mistakes? All like Callum just said, we actually played all right in stages of it as well.

Yeah, it's one of them. We were a better team first off. I've sat and watched Forest long enough to know what's coming and let them be old. As people start going down for the half-time points and that cross comes in, he's got a three-header and we're 1-0 down, and all of a sudden, all the hard work we put in the first half is undone straight away. A bit like the second half. The second half was no different. We were probably a better team. We might get a goal. We certainly had chances. Then all of a sudden, the keeper just squares it to their player and it's 2-0 and then it's game over. There's no way back. We're dying for a striker. I say that to everyone who wants to listen, but who's out there? I don't think, Is it just a striker? I think we're probably a bit scared to... A few times last night we were on the edge of the box and you're thinking, Just have a shot. Just have a shot. And it's going back out wide again. But I think someone else told me we have 15 shots, so maybe we're just not making chance of the ones we're having maybe.

Yeah. And I think that's the problem that Forrest, no matter what at the minute, we don't seem to know where the next goal or even wins coming from. Callum, Forrest, suppose, went down to 10 men in the 70th minute, but even then it just didn't look like Forest were going to score, did it? I think the game could have gone on probably for another hour and we just wouldn't have scored.

Yeah, you could just tell sometimes, especially with our, it was like when they went down to 10 men, you thought, Well, okay, well, at least we're not going to get battered. Maybe the goal difference will probably be helped out more than us actually coming back into the game and scoring or equalizing against Brighton. And it felt like no matter what we would do, we didn't seem like we were going to score against 10 men. Yesterday that chance, I think it was before the red card, that chance fell to Willy Bolly, and I remember it falling to him and seeing him up all the time in the world. And I said out loud, Anyone but him before you hit. And it was one of those moments where you're a fan and you go, Oh, I've said that, and we hate itas you hate it because you played, it's just missed an open opportunity. But I also thought, I said anyone but him, but I can't think of anyone but him that I really wanted it to fall to from that start of the 11th. Maybe Nico, Williams maybe. It looks like you can line up the shot from there.

You did hit the post towards the end of the game from a similar position, but our right back, being the player that I think of to have that opportunity, isn't good. It doesn't seem like anyone knows how to hit the back of the net. I mean, a tough low score the head of the other week and then missed the same opportunity, probably an easy opportunity towards the end of the game against Wolves. Alanga is, even if he does, he's born offside. I think we were offside five times last night and it was Alanga every single time. He lost the crossbar. And he does score the other but I think he's our top goal score at the moment, but it's only three goals. So who is it that you want it to fall to? Who is it that's going to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and do something? I think Gibbs White is that player who can do that and create opportunities, but who's going to score them? And yeah, like you said, we could have played forever. It didn't seem like we were ever going to score. It didn't seem like...

I mean, we were causing issues. I think we had more shots than top than overall in the game. We were definitely the best team in the first half, I would say as well. But you just feel like Elango is going to get it on the wing, cut in and cross it. No one's going to get to it, or he's going to run it out of play or get a corner. We're not going to beat the first man from the corner. It's just, you could just see these patterns every single game. And yeah, I don't know. I think we do. We need a striker in January, but we need someone similar to a 1-0. We can't do a Chris Wood again or a Regi because they just don't suit the type of game that we play. Even when Chris Wood came on, I can't really remember him doing anything last night. I wouldn't blame him too much because I just don't think he's that striker that we need. So it's worrying. We'd need someone desperately really quickly in January. It needs to be done early in January.

Yeah, we do. Lots of people quick to blame the recruitment as well last night rather than on the pitch with the players or even Cooper. Ben says in the comments, Cooper out, totally out of his depth at this level and tactically in it. He's taking us as far as he can. One win in 13 and two away wins in 28. We cannot rely on our home form keeping us up this year. Jason says we are awful with no style of play. Peter says we need to get a striker in the January transfer window. Callum, what did you make of a Langus performance? You touched on him there about him being in being offside a lot. He showed that fight. I do think that the side was playing for Cooper. I still don't think that this is the side that's given up. But I think it's just that quality and that's what stopping Forrest from getting those wins in the minute in a way is just the constant silly mistakes, isn't it?

Yeah, I think with Allanga, I wanted him to be more of a impact sub. I thought we had enough depth that he was going to get to a point where he was just coming off the bench and just frightening defenders. And when he takes them on, he has all of them on toast when he runs at them. But I realized quite quickly at the start of the season that he doesn't always take them on. He likes to cut back and he's just, Just go, just hit them. And then last night a lot when he was hitting them and running at them, he was running out of play or he was running out of ideas. He's a raw talent and he's a good player. He's a really good player. It just seems like he's what we're depending on a little bit up there to do everything. And that shows when we're starting him up front as a striker. He's not a striker. He's not a natural finisher. He struggles with the offside trap. We need him out on the wing. We need someone else with almost better or similar out in the other wing with Gibbs White in the 10 and a proper striker.

And we can't do that at the moment. We can't trust any of our strikers. We're having to play Gibbs White with a Langer. It's just not... It doesn't work going forward, especially I think the team itself playing that back five and having the three midfielders, I think that's to solidify everything up to that we don't consider as much. But it's really, we're really struggling upfront. And like I said, even though there's a little bit of solidcy in the backline, there's still mistakes and there's still letting the man go. And even at the start of the game, Son's opportunity at the start of the game, I thought, Well, we've started with five in defense again, and they just cut us open instantly. Players aren't tracking their man. And it was similar to the Walls goal. They almost scored the exact goal that Walls did. It was a good take from Turner, actually. But yeah, there's just individual mistakes and not enough going up front.

Dan, I heard on Cooper's post-match interview last night with Colin Frey. Colin Frey asked him when does this blip become a crisis in a way. Do you think Forrest are in a crisis at the minute? Do you think one winning in 13, three home defeats now on the bounce? Do you fear that Forest are going to be dragged into this relegation battle if we're not in it already?

I think we are in it already, aren't we? I think as we've all said, when's the next point coming from? When's the next win coming from? Everyone thinks next week is an easy game. I'd probably say it's probably the hardest lot to lot. We're worse against the worse of teams, if you want to call them that. I said it last night. I think he even said it to yourself. I think he's probably now, Cooper, he's probably the most vulnerable he's probably ever been. Whether he likes to admit that or not, and I heard this press conference where he said he doesn't pay interest into that, I don't believe that. I think the last two lineups have shown that he knows he's in a bit of trouble. I don't know how long. I really don't know how long he's got left now. I think a three or four nil last night and I think he'd have gone, I think.

Yeah, still nothing from Forest. In fact, actually, their last social media post was the full-time post last night with the score on a nice graphic. Billy says in the comments, People keep saying we need to sign a striker. Obviously, we do. But what a decent striker is going to join a team in a relegation battle knowing that they will likely be on the bench when, of course, Tywo's fit. Orianne says, Up to Tywo's injury, most people were behind Cooper. We need better recruitment to stay in the Premier League. No manager could pull results against top teams with the current lack of quality. Callum, I think that's the concerning thing, isn't it? Really, is not only do we not know where the next wins coming from. And of course, Cooper's under pressure. He's on this one game rolling basis, it seems at the minute. But if Forest were to make the change, who would come in? And do you think a manager could really get a tune out of this current set of players? Which on paper you could argue is a better squad than last season?

Yeah, that was my main point until I think after the Fulham game, I find out who can get a tune out of them? I don't really. I don't think we've got an unbalanced squad. We've not got enough depth in attack. We've not got a good goalkeeper. You can play as well as you want, but when your goalkeeper is doing that on multiple occasions in three different games. And we were trying to come back into it against Liverpool until he came flying out of his box and the Brentford game, he could have give away a penalty and maybe got sent off. So we were probably lucky to get at the point against Brentford. There's certain things that you can't control, but the stats don't lie the one winning 13, it's just we had tie-away for a lot of those games and we have, I think we've got a better squad on paper. It's just I think we're leaving ourselves short in certain areas. I think the idea to get San Garay is the big blockbuster midfielder was absolutely right. It was what we were missing last season. But what we needed last season was Brennan Johnson and we're missing that a little bit this season.

As much as people don't want to admit that and that we've brought a Langran and everything like that, we are missing Brennan Johnson a little bit going forward. We need any forward, really. We haven't really got any and when they come on it's Cavan, Cavan, Cuds and a Doy. We look shocked for confidence and doesn't really look that fit. And a Langar, which we've spoken about, is probably being played too much and being relied on too much. One, he's injured, Chris Wood is just not the striker that we need. And Reggie, I have no idea. I wouldn't mind just sending him back to Milan in January, to be honest. But that's what... I think I don't't know what a new manager comes in and does with that. It would have to be a very good manager. We speak about Cooper and a lot of people want you to get rid of that sentimentality, which is fair enough because you can't bring that into this league. But he did keep us up last season. And when you look at some of the sides that he had last season, some of the teams that he took to certain places like people with Slate, Freuler and other players and Surridge and Koyate and bits like that.

But we pulled some performances out of the bag with them last season with Steve Cooper. So he's not a terrible manager. He's just... I don't know. I understand both sides to it. And maybe a new manager comes in fresh and everything new tactics, everything like that. And it goes great. And that's what the owner would hope for. I think there's a reason we haven't got one yet because I think he does want to get rid of him. I think he's wanted to get rid of him for a long time and he's been waiting for an excuse. But I don't think we're that attractive at the moment to a manager. I don't think that L'Occitane wants to come to us personally. And I think each game that we lose and the closer we get to the bottom three and the more you look at our squad, who's going to come to us? It's like Sheffield and I are about to bite the bullet and go for Chris Wilder, which makes sense because that's a sentimentality manager for them who they know what he's about. They've looked okay since he's came back. We haven't really got that.

We're going to go to Billy Davis. It's not going to happen. It's just we need to upgrade of a manager and it's not necessarily out there. You just know that Steve Cupun would leave and go to Crystal Palace and just soar with them. And then we'd get, I don't know. And you don't know what's going to happen next. You don't want a Jesse Marsh situation. People talk about Emery, Villa went to Gerrard first. You have to get it right the first time. When you're in a relegation battle, and when your squad's a little bit lopsided and Maranthus doesn't have the track record of picking excellent managers. I think he's got... The few that have been mentioned, I think they're good candidates. And if he's got one of them in the locker and he wants to get rid of Steve Cooper, then maybe that's the choice. But why isn't he made that decision yet? Interesting points.

Tom says in the comments, next two weeks will be massive in how our season goes. The manager situation needs sorting out either with the owner is sticking with him or change now as this game-by-game uncertainty is doing no one good. Sean also says, seem to recruit plenty of defenders and midfielders and looks like another one coming in January. Why are we not looking at wingers and the forward line? That's a very good point. Dan, do you think the recruitment is to blame more than Cooper? I speak to someone outside the ground last night and they said to me, We can't really blame Cooper and the players. You can blame the players more than Cooper, but this lies on the recruitment and Ross Wilson and the signings that Forest have made or so far?

Yeah, I think it's a bit of both because A, who's making the signings? If you look at our bomb squad at the minute, you'd argue Sanos, Tavares, Sangare weren't Cooper's signings. They were done behind him. But then Chris Wood was one of his signings, and he's not, I don't think, out of touch last night. It's all right saying who's... And I think because we're a bit more invested in the teams than say... Someone said to Bright about last night and about Brighton only make good signings. I said, They probably don't. I said, But you only see the good signings because you're not invested into the club. Do you know what I mean with that? We see all the bad signings because we're seeing week in week out. We're so invested in Forest, whereas other clubs probably do make bad signings, but we don't see it because we're not bothered about what they're up to. Are our signings good enough? Probably not. Would someone else get a tune out of them? Again, probably. You don't know. If was to leave in January, he could go anywhere and he'd probably score 10 goals. That's just how football works, isn't it?

There's no, it really is. He would go to Luton or back to Burnley or somewhere and you could see him getting 10 goals. No problem. It's just one of them things in football. We seem to sign players that don't work for us and then we'll move them on and they'll go get a tune somewhere else. The signings probably aren't what we needed. But again, someone wanted them, we were at a San Garay for over a year, so that's not something that's come out of nowhere. Now he's not even get on the bench then we're on the team.

Yeah. And you could argue there as well, Dan. You mentioned there about people not being invested into clubs and seeing what they do on and off the pitch week in, week out. And that's the problem from an outsider point of view, isn't it? When people go, Oh, Forest maybe shouldn't get rid of Steve Cooper because of all he's done for the club and the sentiment value. But then in the same way, Dan, I'm sure you follow Forest home and away and you see week in, week out. And won-win-13 really at the minute just simply isn't good enough, you could argue.

Yeah, in the last two years in the program, I've only missed Southampton away. I've only seen us win one away game in two years. I've seen us.

Win none. I've seen us win none.

Yeah, exactly. I think now, whereas it was a bit different when Leeds beat Leeds, Beatles, and we thought he was going to go then, and then last year went Leeds to beat us and he thought he was going to go then. I think now, I think a lot more fans are not on the turn of him going, but on the turn of if he goes, then you remember, Oh, yeah, well, he's done a good job. But sentiment, you can't... Do you think Leicester, when they got rid of Ranierie after they won the Premier League, or Pellegrini when Guardiola was available. He just won the Premier League. Guardiola came available and Man City were like, Oh, cheers, mate. Well, someone better is here now. No one fought any less of it. The is still going to be known as, You guys in the Premier League and we were bottom, and all that. But I think results come better. I'd have anyone in charge at the minute if it meant we started winning games. You know what I mean? It's not fun going to games anymore at the minute. In that's only going to get worse. As a club, we're quick to turn really sour out of nowhere.

That's not happened yet, but I don't think it'll be long. You see loads... There was hardly anyone left in the ground last night at the final whistle. That's only going to keep happening as we keep it being.

Yeah, Calev, I think I saw something on social media last night. Again, this was from an outsider's point of view, and he was like, I can't see why the Forest fans are upset. All right, it's won-win-in-13. But then in the same way, you're still above the relegation zone. You've got Everton below us. But at what point did Forest actually start going, Hang on a minute. We're in a real crisis now and we really need to sort something.

Yeah. Everton are going to be above us. If they're playing today, I think they've got Burnley, they're going to be above us very soon. And that's with a 10-point deduction. That's embarrassing. If Burnley pull out a result against Everton, I think they come straight up as well. They're all breathing down on X already, and each game that goes by. These teams below us, the whole idea was, touch on what Dan said there as well, the recruitment. Last season, we couldn't blame the recruitment because they had to get so many plays in. This was the season to rectify the issues, get rid of the bad players, bring in the good players. That's what you can blame the recruitment for in a way. But they did look like good players on paper. San Garay is a good player. He's someone that I've been watching for a long time. I couldn't believe that we signed him. There's a podcast called The Show Podcast. I think a lot of people might have heard of it. And they used to sing his praises all the time. And there was one guy on that podcast who absolutely loved them and was surprised that he wasn't going to Liverpool and he was coming to Forest.

So he's not a bad player. It's just that like Dan said, it seems like we signed these players and they don't really fit our system. People saying, Let's get out of bio from Luton. That was a big thing last week. We probably couldn't do nothing. That's just how it goes sometimes at Forest. And these teams below us, they're like, like I said before, Sheffield United bringing Chris Wildeback, it just seems that that seems like a decision. It seems quite right to do. It just seems like it's going to suit them. Burnley are the team that I think are trying too hard to play football a little bit like we did last season, and they're not really learning the lesson. They might learn the lesson that's still on eight points up to this point. Luton, they're the type... That's the team that do buy players to fit their system. Some of the players you can't believe that are in the Premier League, but they work and it suits that team. And they just seem to be... It's like this last season, that Fortress at home, it's not easy to go there. They've got a point against Liverpool.

They pushed Arsenal to the end, they pushed City. They're going to be able to pick up points. And we're not picking up points. And it doesn't seem like we can pick up points anywhere. And it's scary. There's no reason that we don't fall into the bottom three. And there's absolutely not really any reason we don't find ourselves bottom very soon. If teams below us start picking up wins, I can't see where ours is coming from. And it is boring. I don't think there's any teams above us that will get pulled into it. Bournemouth look absolutely fine now. Crystal Palace are struggling with injuries, but it's Crystal Palace they'll probably end up mid-table. Wolves look really good now and that's above us. I don't see us going above anyone at the moment. It's just looking over our shoulder again for an entire season. So it's fine looking at it from an outside point of view saying, Oh, it might just be one in 13. One in 13 is terrible and two away wins since we've come up is terrible. It's bleak. Everything's looking quite worrying. I think I'm more worried now for relegation than I was last season, which is crazy because last season, it was driving me mental every single week relegation was last year, and I was convinced it was going to happen at one point.

And now I'm even more worried and doesn't feel like we should be like that after a transfer window.

Yeah, good point. Dan, just quickly then before we wrap up, what do you think Forrest will do with Cooper? Do you think that maybe now is the time to make a change if there is time to make it?

I think he might get next week and I think if we lose next week, he'd probably go. I don't think he'll get the win, though, if we don't pick up a win. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, everyone's entitled to their opinion. But at the end of the day, we all want to see Forage winning football matches, and at the minute we're not doing that. At some point, something has got to change. You can't sack all the players. You also can't bomb all the players out. San Garay is not going to sit in the bomb squad. 40 million, 50 million we paid for him. He's going to come back in the team at some point because he's not going to be sold in January. At some point, he's going to come back in the team, whether it be with Cooper or without Cooper. That. We just got to start winning matches. We've start, Marinac has got to start seeing him. He's invested more money into the club than anyone ever in the history of Forest. At some point, he's going to want to see us getting something out of that money that he's putting in.

Yeah, Callum, just the same point really put across to you. Do you think now is the time to maybe make a change?

If any time, yeah. Because the form of Game Next is what you want more than the games coming after that. I'm not too sure exactly what the fixed order is, but the games I think we've got Newcastle and Man United coming up and bits like that. So you don't want to bring anyone into that. I think one big point as well on recruitment is, as Dan said before, Chris Wood was the VP for sign and I think he wanted Andre, your last season. I think maybe the owner might want a manager for the January window that wants to put his player input in there so that we can be on the same page as the manager. And I think maybe there could be, you might want a manager that will bring in better players and know of better players because Chris Wood and Andre, and you and plays like that aren't going to pull us out of anything. So yeah, potentially.

Yeah. Lovely stuff. Dan, Callum, thank you very much for your time this morning. Really appreciate it both. Remember, we were back on Monday morning for our main episode on Garibaldi Red, where we'll reflect on the game in more detail and look ahead to Bourneworth the game before Christmas for Forrest. Keep up to date with us, garibaldiRed_ on Twitter and Nottingham Forest news on Facebook. Thank you for all your comments and your likes. Remember to follow us across all platforms, Spotify, Apple podcasts, and YouTube. We will see you very soon. Thanks for your company this morning. Have a great rest of your Saturday. Bye-bye.