Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Garabaldi Red as Forest draw to Crystal Palace. One, one. After the international break, Forest come into the game with, of course, the points deduction and all of the noise and news surrounding the football club. But Forest earn a point, possibly a valuable point, which we will get on to discuss in a moment. Thanks to a Chris Wood trademark goal. It's not Chris Wood trademark goal, actually, really, is it? What a beautiful header. Absolutely class header, watching it in the stands. 8 out of 11 for him now. What a stat. And what a vital player he's becoming for Forest. As we are recording this, it is straight after the game on Saturday night. I appreciate this person for joining me during a bank holiday weekend, which seems like everybody's off and everybody's doing things. But Mark Turner joins us for his fan cast all the way from the States. Mark, thanks for deciding I'm glad that you're not going to have a bank holiday weekend rest and be with us on Gary Vauldy Red.

No problem. I'm happy to take a break from consuming chocolate to hang out with you, Max. Always a pleasure.

Thank you. As we're recording this, the Easter eggs are sat right next to me. I'm going to attempt just to break one out halfway through if things get a bit- If you do, I'm making a bowl for the Cadbury's cream eggs.

Fair do's.

Let's do it. That's You made me laugh, actually. Let's start with our initial thoughts from the game. I was there, Mark. Obviously, you weren't at home, but watched the game in the States. What did you make of it? Because it really was We were just touching on this before we started the recording. It really was a game of two arms, wasn't it? At the city ground today.

Yeah, absolutely. It was that terrible cliché, what are the most famous in football? Like you said, a game of two halves. I could hear My own stupid words ringing in my own ample ears after the first half. The last time I was on with you, I talked about the lack of cohesion. In fact, we don't look like a team, that we really need to pull that together if we have any chance of survival. And in that first 45 minutes, it was really more of the same, wasn't it? And then, of course, some personnel changes and some tactical changes, which I'm sure we're going to get into, really seem to turn the tide for us in the second half. And we saw a team that was comfortable in possession. We saw a team that was putting the opposition under a great deal of pressure, albeit with still too few clear-cut chances, but definitely positive. And I think a point was the very least that Forrest deserved.

Yeah, they did. Of course, Pallet scoring quite early on and then sparked a little bit of reaction from Forest. But at halftime, there was a few boos. I struggled to know whether that was aimed at the referee a lot of the time, but it seemed like it was aimed at the players and Nuno as they went off. But you're right, second half came out a little bit more fight, not as much as maybe I think a lot of fans would have wanted, given where we all talk about that and touch on that. But when you look at the game on a hallmark and you think Forest come into it with almost that should have been siege mentality, a display from Forza Garabori before the game and a good atmosphere. And Forest released this pre-match video last night of Nuno telling the fans to bring the noise, and the fans certainly did bring the noise today. Just a shame we couldn't get all three points, but there is almost all that speculation surrounding the game today. Did you expect Forest to use that siege mentality and did you see it at all? I mean, especially in the second half, Yeah, you touched on a great point.

And when we talked previously, hadn't we, about the impact that the points reduction had had on Everton. And where are we going to see something similar from Forest? I enjoyed the video that was released, although I'd say, boys, even though you're not playing particularly well, the siege This season, definitely stick to your day jobs. I'm not sure a career on camera was for any of the guys who participated in that video. Nevertheless, it was good to see the guys coming out. Will stick to that.

Yeah.

And yeah, the fours of Garigoldi display. I mean, that was Absolutely magnificent. I had a tear in my eye, actually, sat here in Colorado watching it on TV. It definitely made all the emotions swell. I know I didn't see that on the field, though, Max, again, particularly in the first half. And I I think this has been something that has been a distinguishing mark of this team throughout this season, and that is they do seem to be playing with fear. We saw it once we started to hit that slippery slope with Steve Cooper. Nobody seemed to want to take ownership of the ball. People were hiding. They just appeared to be a high degree of fear factor. Nuno came in. The players appeared to be reinvigorated for the first couple of games, seemed to be playing with a new degree of freedom and a swashbuckling approach to things. And then that soon abated. And now we're back to players on their heels again and trying to soak up pressure and catch the opposition on the counter attack. And I think that's what made the second half somewhat optimistic in the forest did seem to be on the front foot, maybe not to the degree, like you said, that the folks in the stadium wanted to see.

But it was definitely a sea change. And the players, they appear to be playing with a heightened degree of determination. So that's encouraging.

Yeah, it is. And especially given eight Cup finals left and albeit today was one, which Forest didn't really capitalize.

Seven plus City.

Oh, is it seven? Is it seven? Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, actually, seven plus City. And maybe Tottenham if you take Tottenham. Well, you never know. Do you know what? It'd be the most... I was actually saying this to a mate before we started this. I was on the phone to him. If It would be the most forest thing to do would be to beat City and lose to Sheffield United or Burnley or something on the final day. It would be just classic Nottingham forest. Let's go back to the first off, and especially the team selection, quite a few changes, probably not the best to change and not the best team. He started with Nuno, Origi on the right, Alanga obviously found himself on the bench, Sangari, which will dominate headlines, and we will get on to in a minute, but in terms of the team's action as a whole, did you feel like it was wrong from the start? And you corrected that at halftime. You could almost say you owned up a little bit given the changes of personnel at the break.

Yeah. I mean, let's come on to that in just a second. Staying on this thread of trying to be optimistic and upbeat, I mentioned that I could hear my own words ringing in my ears in regards to their lack of cohesion in that first half. I also made the point the last time I was on the show that in addition to players like Morgan, Gibbs, White, and Marillo, who have been outstanding this season by and large, there are a couple of other players who I feel like have gone really under the radar and deserve some kudos. One was Nico Williams, who didn't have his best game today. But again, I thought he was solid and provided... I mean, defensively, he looked good, and again, provided an offensive outlet as well. But also really, really impressed with Matt Sells. And again, somebody I've mentioned in the previous show, He's gone under the radar for me, and I think he's been an absolute upgrade on everything else we have in the goalkeeping bullpen, to use American vernacular, because I'll just drop one of those in every episode. But he had a fantastic game today. He made a couple of really outstanding saves.

In regards to the lineup, Max, I don't know, what were the words on the... What were you guys saying on the terraces? I mean, certainly online in our WhatsApp group, folks were scratching their heads trying to understand For the last couple of weeks, people have been saying, Why is Origi starting ahead of Hudson Adoy? Now, folks are saying, Why is he starting ahead of Alanga? That being said, when Alanga came on, he was anonymous. He didn't have his best game today, that's for sure. Starting Origi over either of them seems bizarre. And so what did you hear on the terraces? And also I'd be curious to hear what people are saying about Sengare.

Yeah, I think it's interesting you say that, actually, about Origi starting over Buds and Adoy and then today Alanger. And that's exactly what people said. I was speaking to a few people actually before and took my seat at the game. And it was just questionable. We talk about consistency of a team selection. Again, there's no consistency of that team selection. For me, D. Vokarigi, I have to ask the question, what does he offer? And especially playing him on the right, yes, he has a little bit of pace at times, but there was just a lot of missed Do you disagree with him? Do you disagree with me there, Mark? You think he offers something a little bit different? No.

I disagree with you saying he has a little bit of pace. I think he used to have a little bit of pace.

Sometimes, yeah. Maybe not after Christmas. But a player like him coming from Liverpool, I keep mentioning it and going back to it, but he scored a goal in the Champions League final. You'd expect a little bit better from him. And there isn't anything there. He just struggles with those final chances. He gets the ball, makes it, or what does he do with it? That's the big question for me. You could also relate that question to Sangari as well. Over 40 million for his play paid for him, record club signing, use the money from the Brennan Johnson deal What has Sangari done so far that deserves any applaud? I'm struggling to pick any out on a Saturday evening. I can't lie to you, Mark. I don't think the fans were happy with the team selection and performances from Sangare and Origi, two changes he made.

Yeah, Sangare really is a head scratcher. 40 million, 14 appearances now. And I think I can remember one game where he really looked worth the sticker price. And it's not fair to judge somebody based on their transfer fee. They don't obviously have anything to do with that. But the transfer fee should speak to the quality of the individual as the player is and what they're going to bring to the team. And we felt like Sengare was going to bring something we didn't have in the squad currently. We felt like he was going to be a starter. We understood it might take him a handful of games to get up to speed with the speed of the Premier League. But I watched one of his games in the African Cup of Nations, and he looked like a completely different player. I don't know how much more time you give him. To be honest with you, Max, I had the same reservations about mangala last season, and I was getting close to the at the end of my tether, right around the time when he actually got good. I still have hope for Sengare, but if this were the start of the season, if we were eight games in, my patience and tolerance for what he's doing or not doing right now, I could potentially extend that a little further.

We're eight games from the end now and it's crunch time. And so I'm sure we're going to come on and talk about what happens second half in terms of personnel changes and tactical changes. And what that might look like going forward. But I'm not saying throw Sangari to the walls. I'm not saying he's done. However, I am saying that about Righi.

I agree. I'm just struggling to put out any positivity from Origi and probably Sangari. I just feel like over 40 million for a player, club record fee, as you say, Mark, he should live up to the fee. And it's not fair to judge him on that, but he's just not. At the moment, it is crunch time. You need players, you need fight, you need passion. Not just that, you need technical ability. Does Sangari offer either of those? Probably not. Let's look at the changes that he made at halftime, new note. He must have said something pretty big at halftime because it really was a game of two-a-half. Forrest came out and got a goal, thanks to a wonderful Chris Woodheader, which we'll get onto. But the changes he made, and then also further on in the second half with Gio Reina coming on as someone that has a little bit of a connection to the States, Mark. In fact, we'll touch on geo later, but what did you make of the personnel changes that he made? And then obviously, geo Reina coming on later on.

Yeah, so they were positive. I like seeing Nuno do things at halftime, particularly when it had been such a wretched first half, right? You get frustrated with managers. You wait to that 65th minute. You've had 45 minutes to impose yourself on this That's more than enough. It just seems to be... It's broken thinking to suggest you should give a player who hasn't played well for 45 minutes more time, only to then give his replacement 20 to 25 minutes to turn the game on its head. It's like you've had a half, you've done nothing, off you come. And obviously, fans have been talking both online and I think just generally across social media about Morgan Gibbs-White dropping in to accommodate Reina, who then went into the number 10 spot. Fans might remember Steve Cooper did that a few times with Morgan Gibbs-White, putting him back into a more traditional, I guess you call it, like an eight position and having him play, not flat alongside the eights, but certainly- He was quite deep there, wasn't he? Yeah. Yeah, he was. And here's what I'd say about that. And if you remember at the time, fans love that.

They were like, stick with that. Keep Morgan in there. And it was a slightly different situation because, again, you might remember, Morgan was stuck out wide at the time, right? So we just wanted to bring him more central. My contention when it comes to Morgan Gibbs-White is, get him on the ball. He did not have a good first half, but he's one of those players who never hides, right? If he has a bad touch, he's up on his feet and he's trying to create another angle, and he's barking for that ball again, right? He wants it again, even though he just got dispossessed or whatever may have happened. He is the most influential player on our team. He's the one that can unlock defenses with a pass, as he did today. And there are others that can do that, too, but he's the one who does it most routinely, assuming the ball is moving, of course, and not from a set piece. But get Morgan on the ball more. Give him the ability to drop in and take the ball off the defenders. Give him the ability to slide and support the fullbacks and link up in that regard.

And then by dropping him out of that 10 position, you're taking the pressure off him as well, because defenders are naturally going to get sucked to Chris Wood. They're also going to try and pinch in as well and close out any space in which the 10 might operate, allowing Morgan to drop in a little deeper, gives him the opportunity to pick his head up and pick a pass or carry the ball if he sees that opportunity. So I liked him back there. And I like Reina coming in at 10 as well, and I'd love to talk to you a bit more about him as well, or what he might offer, and maybe why he hasn't got more of a look in now, because I do have a theory in that regard. But yeah, like the changes, and obviously they had the desired effect.

Yeah. Anthony Alanga, of course, replacing Sangare and pushing that wide, and then Origi came off as well later on for Reina.

He wasn't effective, though. What happened with Alanga, do you think? What did you see in the stadium?

I just thought, again, it was just a... But I think Callum, again, Callum Woodson-Adoy is a player that sometimes can have games where he'll go quiet for 10 minutes and then he'll bring something to life and he'll have that pace down the wing. And the same with Alanger. But for me, Alanger didn't, as you touched on, he didn't do a great deal when he came on. I don't know about Alanger because people call him a bit of a super sub. But for me, I think I think you start him. He's done so well for Forest in the past. I don't really understand the decision for Nuno not to start him today. And Nuno is probably asking himself maybe that now. Who knows? Probably not.

The one thing I would say in Nuno's defense is we don't see what happens on the training field, right? All week. And we're out there training with players. And I played at a I coach more years than I care to remember at various different levels. And when you're coaching players, yes, you're coaching the individuals and you're wanting to see who shows up and gives you something. But you're also looking at combinations. You're looking at creating patterns. You're looking at which players come alive during set pieces, right? In terms of movement and where they're drawing players away and the spaces they're creating for their teammates. It's a whole combination of things. And it may be this week for whatever For a reason, a langer was just off the pace. And I think the one thing I would give Nuno credit for is, if this is the case, if he saw something in practice this week he didn't care for, is keep your players honest. You know what? Nobody, with the possible exception of Moreno and, well, sales, Moreno and Morgan gives white. Nobody should be guaranteed a starting place week in, week out, particularly in the predicament the team's in now.

Everybody should be bringing their A game to training, and And then, consequently, to match day as well. So maybe Al Anger didn't.

Yeah, it's very good point. It's a very good point, actually. Let's touch on Gio Reina because you mentioned him there. And it is a player that a lot of fans, not just Forest fans, but American fans on Twitter, I seem to look at every single day and they're there crying out, Why aren't Forest playing Gio Reina? But he's a highly rated American midfielder and he costs a lot and his skills. And when you actually break Reina's career down, he did a great job. And it is interesting that Forest have opted not to start him. He looked bright when he came on for me. He did make a little bit of a difference, but again, he had 15, 20 minutes to change a game. And as you alluded to earlier, Mark, it isn't a great deal of time What do you make of him as a player? What did you make of him today coming on and being our American correspondent here at Cariboldi Red? Do you feel like we should be starting him more? What a title that is.

You've gone international, Max, and it was only a matter of time.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, so I've seen a lot of Gio Reina. So I'm going to back up here quickly and say that I'm a big fan of his dad, Claudio Reina. My Scottish team is Glasgow Rangers. Actually, I've been following Rangers only a couple of years less than I've been following Forest. Forest is my very first team. But then once I started collecting stickers in my Panini album, I decided I needed a Scottish team to follow as well. And it gravitated to Rangers. Claudio Reina ended up having a spell with Rangers, as well as some time, of course, in England as well. And then he ended up being the Sporting Director, Austin FC, who are my MLS team. So I I was actually... I've been in a room with Claudio Reina. I've had a couple of quick conversations with him, so I have a lot of affection for that family. That being said, they haven't covered themselves in glory recently. You might remember there was a contentious episode between the Reinas and Greg Berhalter, the American national, men's national team coach during the last World Cup. And some of that blowback... Geo saw some of that blowback as well.

And there were suggestions that maybe he's a little up on himself, maybe not a team player, a bit selfish. I don't know that any of this is true. It's all out there in the public site, guys. So it's not like I'm trying to propagate myth here. It's out there. And whether it's true or not, everyone's got a position on that. And so when I And if you think about why geo may not gotten a look in at Forrest until, I mean, sparingly, right? Until today, I wonder if some of it might be to do with temperament. I wonder really how much of a say he had in the move to Forrest. Obviously, we know the connection between his agent and Nuno. And so you wonder, did he show up in Nottingham under duress, almost? But one thing I did notice is the few cameos that he's made, Max, he's really played within himself. So this comes back to my earlier issue of we've been playing with Theia, right? Morgan Gibbs-White is one of the very few players. Marillo is another. I think Nico Williams is another who will take the ball and try and do something with it, right?

They're very positive. They go forward. Geo has that. I mean, he can unlock defenses. He's a very technically good player.

I mean, arguably, he's on a par with Polisic for being the best player on the US men's national team right now.

But yet when he's made cameos for Forest, and folks want to go back and watch the games he appeared in and sense check this, they'll see he's been playing a ton of square balls. Everything has been safe. It's been backwards or it's been sideways. I haven't seen him carry the ball. And I haven't seen him yet. He has this move he pulls for the national team where he'll shift his weight to move a defender open to create a channel. And then he'll ping past his three, three or four defenders to set one of his teammates in behind the line. And I've just seen play very much within himself. And that might be to do with the coach, that might be to do with the unfamiliar surroundings, it might be to do with the fact that he's feeling a bit burned right now after the whole Dortman situation. But today, I thought we saw evidence, and he's not there yet, but today we saw evidence of the real geo Reina and what he can bring and how he can link things up. And I think he and Morgan appear to be on a similar wavelength. So I think that bodes well for us moving forward.

Yeah, I think that ties in quite nicely with my next question to you, Mark. And you do have to, as much as we try to keep this this positivity going sometimes as fans and picking positives out of draws, it was a game that Forrest could have done with winning today. Yes, we're outside the relegation zone on goal difference and yes, Luton lost. But it's one win in 10 since Man United for Forest. It doesn't make great reading. And so many Cup finals left and Still City and Tottenham to play and all those other teams that are in and around with us at the I just feel like at the moment, Mark, sat in the stands today, yes, there's that fight in stages and team spirit. However, I just wonder, sometimes It's the technical ability. It's the constant silly errors that Forrest seemed to make. I just think it's slightly worrying. We've touched on for ages about whether Forrest will get relegated. But for me, the The more and more it goes on and the more and more that Forrest struggled to see out games, shall we say, or even come back... Palace were there for the taking today.

We didn't capitalize on that. Is that a concern? And then I suppose that leads nicely on to the question of, are players like geo Reina, almost a breath of fresh air. Is this someone that can make a difference and bring new energy to a squad that's desperate for points?

Yeah, I mean, it's difficult to say that geo did enough today to secure a starting place on Tuesday. I think that's a coin toss, but I don't see any risk in starting him when you look at the alternatives, particularly. But to your point, Max, the last time I was on the show, we talked about that, about whether or not Forrest would survive. You pitch me one of your now famous, infamous, difficult questions, and left me to wrestle with it, essentially around whether Forrest would get relegated or not. And as I looked at the nine games, I did some quick math on the spot. And I said I was struggling to see Forest pick up more than 10 or 11 points. And in doing that math, I was looking at Palace as a three pointer, right? This is a game where I thought we would get the three points, and we haven't. So now that shift is the onus to somewhere else. And we're running at the games. So it really does concern me. Do I feel like there's enough in this team to get out of this mess? Yes, I guess I saw glimpses in the second half today for the first time in quite some time.

I'm seeing a lot of noise on- But the first off is a real worry.

Yeah. It is, yeah. I think the first off is a real worry, considering that you've had a points deduction. You're supposed to be using this as a siege mentality. You've had a great display before the game. The atmosphere is bumped up. The fans have brought the noise. Where's the performance first off?

Yeah, and I should apologize to viewers as well. The lines on my face because of my slatted lines, I'm not reporting to you from prison here. So in case anyone's wondering.

Now, that would make an interesting.

I'm seeing a lot of conversation, a line around, well, all we have to do is pick up more points than Luton. And that may be true, but I also... That concerns me. I think Luton are more of a team than we are right now. I think they have more spirit than we do right now. If it's us versus Luton, in any scenario, whether that's we have to pick up more points than them or the last game is against them and win it takes all, any situation in which you pitch us against Luton right now really concerns me. So I still think it's a coin toss We have some coins in the air, but at least we saw some things in the second half today that give me some semblance of hope.

Yeah, a little bit of hope, which we talk about- We're not going to talk about Chris Wood's header, though.

Come on, let's get positive. Let's get back to the header.

Before my final killer question, let's talk about Chris Wood, because that was a lovely header, wasn't it? And he's there, right place, right time. 8 out of 11 for Eight out of eleven for him, eight goals in eleven games. Great stat. Proving to become such a key Forest player. He was slagged off right at the start of his Forest journey and even criticized by many people, including me. I'll hold my hands up for that. But what a player he's becoming now with Tywo out, with O'Reilly, being O'Reilly. We're relying on Chris Wood as our striker, and he's scoring goals, thank God.

Yeah, he is. And again, not to blow my own horn, but I'm going to because I get to so rarely. Chris Wood was another of One of the players I picked out the last time I was on the show, I said in the absence of Taewo, one year, Mr. Hobnobs himself, Chris Wood is absolutely central to our ability to score goals. If you remember, I pointed out that he's one of the few players who makes good decisions more often than not, and more often than not can execute on them. Not always. And we know he had a frustrating stretch when he came on board and fans were getting on his back. But he's proving he has pedigree. He's New Zealand's top goal scorer, international top goal scorer for a reason. You're right, the goal he took today was... That's really hard. What he did there, the speed with which he scanned the space, the skill it took to determine what it was going to need to get that flick on over and under the bar. And all of that is top, top quality stuff. And we're very lucky to have him right now. If it weren't for Chris Wood, lordy, I don't know where we'd be.

Yeah, we'd be in trouble. We would be in trouble. Final killer question, Mark. Here we go. Brace yourself. Coming across-It's Easter.

Can we just not have... Do you prefer Cabbage cream eggs or mini eggs? Just throw me a soft one.

Which one do you prefer? Which one do you prefer?

Cabri's cream eggs or the mini eggs? It is Cabri's cream eggs, only by virtue of the fact that if you eat one cream egg, it's pretty sickly, right? And you're not going to eat your second one. But if you give me a bag of mini eggs, you don't know where it's going to stop.

That's the best. Fantastic. I got that from my mom and dad, so I'm going to crack it. I'm going to crack that open.

You should say other Easter eggs are available.

Yes, we should, by the way, in case we get to the brand. That's true. If you want to sponsor the podcast, feel free. You know where we are. Follow us on Twitter, @garabodyred_. So, yeah, all the Easter eggs are available. Let's deliver the killer question. And my killer question to you, Mark, is as I'm sat in the stands and there's a minute, 30 seconds left of the six that was added on by the referee, Willard, I actually thought had a decent performance today. Credit where credit is due. There was 30 seconds, a minute left, and the Forest players are playing it around at the back instead of pumping the ball into the box and just throwing everything at Crystal Palace. You're in a relegation dog fight. Come on, Forest. Get the ball in the box. You're in the dying moments of a game. You've got the fans going absolutely mad to drive the ball into the back of the net. We didn't do that. We were messing around with it for ages. And I just feel moments like that make me doubt Forest's chance of survival. And I don't know about you, Mark, but I just question sometimes the players that are playing for Forest at the minute, whether there is that connection.

And it comes from the manager as well. Nuno can be, not to blame, but in part of this, do they know what it really means to the fans to survive in the Premier League this season? And moments like that at the end of the game just make me feel that they don't.

That feels more like an observation.

Good killer question. Observation turn question. Come on, answer 'I'll get you to answer it for me, and then I'll let you go and have your Easter egg.

' You know what, actually, I think I've already answered it in as much as I see a lot of fear in this team. And I think you've seen it throughout the season. We didn't start the season with it, but it's definitely built. And so I think when you're in a situation where it's one-one, where you just try to get points off the board off of a four-point deduction, you've slipped into the relegation zone, one point will probably get you the right side of that line again, albeit temporarily. I I wonder how many players out there are thinking, I can't screw up. ' I don't want to be the one that pumps the ball forward or tries to carry it past somebody and gets it pinched off him, and all of a sudden we're under pressure. Yes, as fans, We want to see Forest attack, attack, attack. We want to see them go for that winning goal in the 96th minute. But I do wonder whether or not... You can't really point... Maybe you can point the finger at me. I don't know where that fear originates, but that's what it looks like to me. And I could be way off base.

Those players could be full of confidence right now. But it did look to me like, again, nobody wanted to make a mistake. They wanted to hold on to the one point. And Palace did have chances. And I said earlier in this episode, Max, as much possession as we had in the second half, as good as we looked going forward in bursts, we didn't create a whole lot clear-cut. So there's still It's work to be done there as well. But I think nothing changes mentality like a win, right? We know football is about momentum, momentum within a game and momentum from game to game, right? Across the season. Right now, Forest don't have any. And I think if we can get a win on Tuesday off the back now of having to get a point against Palace, it can start to build some momentum and grow in confidence. Then maybe we'll start to see the Nottingham Forest that everyone understands is rightly and understandably paying for.

Spot on. Spot on. We need a win. Tuesday is such a big game. I mean, every game is a big game. We keep talking about it, but they are for Forest at the moment.

Before we go, can I just give this a shout out?

Just very quickly. Of course, Mark, go for it. I was just going to introduce it. You took a word for the mouth. Oh, good. Go on.

Okay, fantastic. Well, I see we're on the same wavelength. Unbelievable. Anyway, I have this right here, folks, of course, in honor of- Spotify Yeah, for Spotify and Apple podcast listeners, Mark has a lovely picture of the Forest European Cup winning team that was signed by Brian Clough sat behind him. Indeed. Absolutely. On the backdrop of a shirt from 1980. And of course, this is all to commemorate Larry Lloyd and his passing this week at 75 years old. Larry Lloyd, of course, one of the miracle men, one of the 'Not Your Forest' players who won the European Cup in '79 and '80 with that incredible team that Brian Clough had put together. Lloyd played 443 times professionally across five teams. Of course, we know about Liverpool and Forest. Also played for Bristol Rovers, Coventry City, and Wigan and athletic. Managed Wigan Athletic for a short spell as well, as well as them folks across the river at Notts County. But we'll be best known for being one of the Miracle Men and an absolute stalwart at the heart of Forest's defense. And anyone who can see this picture, or maybe even has a copy of this picture because it's available in the club shop.

My word, what a man, Larry Lloyd. He's as wide as he was, tall. It's unbelievable. He's an absolute beast. I've forgotten how big he was. He makes Peter Shilton look like a dwarf. It's ridiculous. So a man mountain in the middle of our defense, but not just purely physical. He could make a pass as well. I had great vision and really held things together back there. Him and Kenny Burns and Peter Shilton. Yeah, that was the foundation of everything that then took place further up the field. So very, very sad to lose another of our miracle men after losing Trevor Francis earlier in the year. So just want to make sure we take a quick minute to say our thoughts and prayers and our good vibes all go the way of Larry Lloyd's family and very much appreciate what he did for Nottingham Forest.

Yeah, 100 %. Echo. All those thoughts. Brilliant tribute. Thank you, Mark. That was lovely. A great tribute as well in the ground today with the round of applause just before Mall of Kingtea, which sounded brilliant with a display. Right, that does us nicely. We'll see you Tuesday or Wednesday, just before the full-on game or just after. Happy Easter to everyone. Have a nice break if you're off. If you're off, if not, try to enjoy it. There's lots you can still catch it with Garabody Reds over the next few days as well. Remember, we did a nice in-depth chat chat with a sports financial expert, which we highly recommend you go and talk. Thanks, Mark. You go and listen to and he delves into why Forest probably feel quite harshly done by given the four points. But Forest hoping to put those four points behind them and start, well, try to start again with a win against full on Tuesday night. We will see you next time on Garibaldi Red. Like, share, and subscribe across YouTube. Give us a review on Apple and Spotify podcasts. If you do enjoy, have a brilliant rest of your week, and we will see you very soon.

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