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Everyone has a new sort of. Approach to an attitude towards fitness now, because people are zooming at home and one is OK. So a couple of years ago or maybe like five years ago, design or fitness started. OK, so this is what it became like, this bespoke, curated fitness experience. So how I grew up and first understood fitness in gyms was it was it was those sweaty gyms of windows on the second floor of Boston or New York City buildings, and you dreaded it.

And January 1st, you got a membership and leg warmers and hot pink tights. And some people were like thumbs up their ass, but like body suits. And everybody went wore your Reebok high tops and scrunches and you dreaded it. Maybe it was probably like thirty dollars a month or something. And then you never went back and then tried to fight them forever to get out of the Mafia. That was that monthly payment. And that was like I feel like it was like Crunch New York Sports Club.

Twenty four hour fitness, which is so crazy, but anyway, that was what it was for me, and then you found the StairMaster and you just hated it. But some people went there to flirt and maybe could afford a trainer. And then it became a little more fancy in New York City. And they had the Reebok club and the new and the vertical club was was before the Reebok club. And that was an Upper East Side place where, like Jewish New York City yuppies could afford, I guess, one hundred and fifty dollars a month to work out, which is with so much money to me that it could never, ever happen.

And years later, I finally found a way to get a discount membership or I don't know, these are these places that had steam rooms and sonas. And I guess you could bring your clothes and pay for the extra laundry service where they'd wash your workout clothes. It'd be in your locker. I never could afford that or paid for that, but I loved it and my reward was going into that steam room. OK, so then the next version of fitness.

Evolved into this step craze like step, you do step aerobics in the classes and you do like grapevine aerobics in the classes and then it evolved into spinning. And that started for me in L.A. at the Spectrum Club, which was part of Sports Club L.A. And there were these spinning classes and they were just like normal gym memberships and people would be in the front and excited. And the music was great. And you were sweating and it was efficient. It was 40 minutes.

And Barry's bootcamp came alive then. And it was a certain group and one class that everyone would sweat on top of each other and do the treadmill for half the class and torture yourself for like sit ups and all this other stuff. Then years later, I remember talking to a friend in New York and she said. I started Soul Cycle and I said, OK. I said, What is that shit? It's a bicycle class. You go on this journey, it's a spiritual fitness journey.

And I was like, so it's spinning now. It's not spinning. It's not spinning. I'm like, was a bicycle attached to the floor? And they're playing music for forty five minutes. Yes, but it's a different experience if you're on a journey, people wearing bandannas, this is your life. I'm like it's spinning and spinning was invented by Johnny G years ago and other people would call it like Rev Cycle or other things because they didn't have the trademark for what it was called.

So you can't really call it spinning. I think Johnny Jones spinning, but I guess didn't monetize your market in the right way. So full cycle comes in and I'm like, OK, if it's just different. Amazing religious experience that you're saying is different for your body and it's not spinning. I want to go to a class. So years ago I went to a class to spin it, spin it, spin it. And there was a place in the Hampton Zone, Hampton, and it was Devlins.

It's different. It's a journey. OK, so I thought it was spin to me. It was spinning. OK, so then it evolved into a cult where all of these women and gay men and wealthy sort of Hamptons type hedge fund mogul type private equity kind of men would go and were obsessed. And there were these teachers that were like these religious cult leaders that they could only go to their class and they were weightless. But then you wanted to be in the front of the room and that would cost like seventy five dollars.

And I'm like, what the fuck is going up? People are paying seventy five dollars to go to a gym class for one class to sit in the front row. I used to hide in the back row because you don't want to be seen and you just don't want to be like you don't want to be like at work, like work it. But this the teachers, this is how they speak to you and this was just a total cycle, will get on to fly Will and the whole other world of bespoke fitness.

But the teachers. This is your life, your life, everything you've ever, everything that's ever happened to you and your life is right now, this is who you are. This is the moment. And this defines who you are like, no, it fucking does it. I'm attached to a bicycle on the floor, sweating, just trying to get the fuck out of here. This is your moment. Every fiber of your being is determined by how you finish this class.

I'm like, I don't think it is. I'm going to leave this class. I only have 30 minutes. I have to go get my eyebrows waxed. Like, what do you mean? So anyway, it became these people that felt like they were going to church like religious church every week by wearing, like massive diamond showing off their cars and their their belongings and paying seventy five dollars is in the fucking front row. And if you were really popular, you would sit in the front row on the thing like on the stage with the teacher and now you're fucking teaching a class.

So now I'm sorry, I'm paying seventy five dollars to sit in the front seat and half teach the class. I want to be paid for that. Incidentally, I did go to the Schwinn School of Spinning and somewhere in one of my like photo boxes I am a certified spin instructor. Ladies and gentlemen, I am so I could go up there and leave my own cult religion. But anyway, that, you know, I like to say I digress.

Then came bespoke model classes where it was model fit and models taught it and models went to it. And people who are size four feel like fatso's for being next to models, teaching model classes. And then came dancer classes where other people who are decides to felt that. And then we're like the other like derivative dancer classes in Soho in Tribeca, where you have to be rich and have a net worth of ten million dollars to go to that class, or you're a fucking loser like it's for skinny nose job hair and you have to have a net worth of ten million dollars.

You have to have your hair has to be parted down the middle and you have to drive a G wagon or a Range Rover. And that's what you have to do to get into that class. And if you don't keep up with one hundred and fifty mile an hour dance routine that only someone who was in Moulin Rouge could do, then you're like snubbed at. And this is one of those classes where the teacher doesn't pay attention to anyone, because if you don't fucking know the moves and you don't belong.

So that's the exclusive fitness. Chapter, which was also probably seventy five, and then the boxing, but bespoke boxing, the bespoke rowing, the bespoke stretching, there are entire places that you go to be stretched. Now, by the way, I've been and I love this, but I want you to know you go somewhere for someone to stretch you for an hour. And then there was another derivative where someone was going to exercise my face and I went, and I know this because these these these Finniss PR people will call me and sometimes I'll get sucked in.

I'm like, someone's going to exercise my face. OK, so you go in there and there's like a regime for your face. I didn't know my face to be worked out and now I know and now I realize I've only worked my face out twice in 50 years, so that can't be good for my face. This brings me to now all the cool kids in their homes paying the same amount of money to go to the bespoke, curated religious cult leader follower experience and.

I have a bar in my basement that's loose, and I think it'd be great to hang laundry on that somebody somewhere has got them coming over to measure now because I'm getting on a reformer in my fucking dreams or want to have sex it maybe I'll get on the reformer. That's a good sex position. And that's exercise, too. That should be a new class sex position class. Now, I was told if you get on these classes at certain times a day, that you pay a lot of money for your school and then it goes in the class.

Look. No, no, no, no, I don't. No, please, no. They'll call you out, I hear, because I see that your Instagram name came in and then they're going to call you out. But so this whole thing has now gotten down to like at home. Zoome Exclusive. You're a loser if you're over a size zero and have less than ten million dollars and don't drive a Range Rover fitness classes. So. I think there's a whole world of faux spirituality and fitness, I just want you to know that I do not think.

That's sweating on a bicycle. Next to the tiniest percentile of people in the world economically is a spiritual experience. All right. Well, what do you all think about fitness classes?

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Hi. Hey, how are you? So where are you, New York. Do you consider yourself a New Yorker now? Because you even though I know your Massachusetts, you feel like a New Yorker to me in many ways.

Yeah.

No, I'll never be The New Yorker Bostonian and reading about you, we have complimentary target audiences and businesses, which I think is interesting and why I'm really excited to talk to you, but I just want to talk about how you could navigate a relationship either in the future or in the past with this kind of career, because I go through this myself. And how do you manage friendships, personal relationships? How does how does business and your personal intersect?

Certainly got more challenging as I've become more well known. You know, in the early days, Renee, my ex, I met her in the very beginning of doing bar stool. So she was along for the ride and the journey. And as I became more well known, she gained some notoriety and she'd be part of content because we document my life and she was part of it. I still maintain a great relationship with her. It was a little challenging when we went our separate ways.

You know, if I'm out on a date or doing something, it became public and I never really wanted to get back to her. Just it's like nobody wants to see that or hear that. So I do my best to keep my private life in that regard as private as possible.

You touch and feel so many things. You care about food. You care about sports, you care about business. You're passionate person. So how do you separate what's work and what's not work? I feel that I try to have fewer buckets full than like six buckets full versus twelve half full.

This is like a very simplistic answer, but I go with my gut and what feels right at the time and I never really have this great foresight. So what's next? Right now? Finance is something that I'm doing, but that wasn't on the agenda pre covid and I never dreamed I'd be the kind of center of the retail movement, things like that. It just kind of naturally occurred. And I don't give it a ton of it. Now, if we're talking like business opportunities, obviously I got to pick and choose what I get involved with that.

But living my life and what becomes content, what doesn't I just kind of roll with it is very organic.

It's funny because I'm very similar. People always ask about the plan and the business plan, the trajectory, and I always say I just execute the idea, whatever I feel passionate about doing. You plant a seed and it grows. And that's why I love speaking to people like you, because then I'm like, wow, we have that in common. That's interesting. Did you think you had it when you were growing up, when you were a kid?

What was your background in your household and your childhood like? And did you feel that you had some special thing or is that part of it? You just one foot in front of the other and here you are.

You know, I always had an edge to me and I didn't care what people said about me. I talk to very East Coast, like, bust your balls, I type away. And I always probably had just a little bit more willing to march to the beat of my own drummer. I always sort of had that fearless and unfiltered from day one.

Is your family like that? Your parents like that?

Yeah, to a degree, my dad more so. But, you know, like my dad's told a story, like he like you get into arguments as a kid and like I backed into a corner. I was like a twelve year old and like relentlessly like hammer and stuff. But yeah, I just don't care my dad's custom that I just don't care what people think about me. I never have. And that, you know, I'm not afraid to make decisions that people will say, oh, you should do this.

I just would never go with the flow guy ever.

I can relate. And do you believe also that. But you don't buy into the hate, but you also don't buy into the love, like you don't get sucked down the drain of people hating you or what you're doing. But you also don't get sucked down the drain of, oh, people love me and it's right down the middle.

Yeah. I mean, I will trust if somebody I trust and believe in my circle says all day, if you went too far, what are you doing here? I will certainly value that opinion. But I don't care what people who don't like me say and the people like me, I don't I don't put great stock in that either.

So what percentage you think you're lucky and what percentage? Smart. Probably about fifty fifty. OK, perfect. Perfect. Yeah.

I mean, I really this is the only business I've ever started and I know most businesses fail. I started a newspaper at a time when nobody starts a newspaper. I had a lot of breaks happened at the exact right moment in time. Like without those moments happening, there's no chance we're here. I also think I was the right person to take advantage of the luck, but without both, there's no chance we're here. There's just no chance.

Right. But for people at home who are listening and try to come close to doing their own thing in the way that you've done in. You can smell the opportunity because your eyes are wide open. You're looking so you know when to jump in, you know, mean you're knowing when to fold, when to hold the whole thing. It sounds like that. Like you're smart enough to look at what's going on. And if you see the opportunity, seize it.

Correct. We've pivoted a million times, make great decisions a million times. But at the same time, you know, it started as a newspaper. If the Internet and blogging didn't kind of explode. Right. As we were shifting into it and the guy moves to New York, he's like, I'll build your website. There was a lot of circumstances that fell right for me. And I really think with any business that becomes successful as we have or anything in general, you really need a lot of.

Look, right now, you need a lot of money and time and you said time and time is super important, you can be very you could be way too early for something. I've seen people have the greatest idea and just be too early and then someone else takes their whole life away because they weren't able to sort of time it. What are you good at and what are you bad at? It could be personal, but business in general, like what are you good at?

What do you Batta and what do you struggle with in business? Like fuck, I can't get this right because I have like 10 things like that where I'm just like, I can't do this. What are you not good at?

You know, I'm probably not the greatest manager of people. I just was a. On here, I literally wrote, because it's my nightmare. I wrote on here, look, do you still need to manage people? Do you find that to be the hardest? I'm self-motivated.

I take care of my own shit. And the people we hire, they don't get out of wars. Like, the only time you hear from me is if you did something wrong or I'm disappointed or I'm mad and I mean, I'm ruthless. Like, I will air you out. And I could be a hard person to work for now, something that keeps people on their toes. So I'm definitely not good at that. What I'm good at is for our business.

I have a very good intuition when, like, we're never wrong, we're on something like this is going to work now. We've done things that may be early and I'm like, I don't know if it's going to work or it won't. But once we really commit to something and know about something, I'm generally right. Like, I just have a good sense of the feel, the moment, what we should be doing. I've been very good at that.

Don't you also think it's because you're a place of yes person? So even if it's shifting a little, you know how to find your way through the back door, through the garage, or really you're just nailing it?

Bullseye, I'm inherently good at keeping us in the news. I mean, I think the biggest thing that barstool probably compliment, it's like we've been around almost two decades and we've been edgy and cool for two decades, which is very hard to do. Like most businesses like that or media companies, you have your moment and then you kind of fade. It can be social, it can be almost anything on the Internet. We haven't faith. There's something about us that have kept us as this pirate ship mentality.

And like, those are the bad boys, even though we've grown to be kind of mainstream. So you gave up a piece of your business, which I've been through, that I describe that process, like how it came to be, what your thought process was. Was it too early? Did it bring you at least half of what you wanted it to? Because they never brings you everything you want. Everybody's sacrificing a little and growing a little, if it's good.

So how does that whole process work for someone like you who likes to be in control?

So far, so successful. We started in two thousand and four and that didn't happen in twenty sixteen. And I've said this before, but I started barstool. I would've been happy making 60 grand a year working for myself. That was like the goal. I don't want to work for somebody else. And it became far more successful than I ever dreamed it would be, making seven figures, taking on a lot of money. I kind of was on the West Coast mode, but we had built our audience, Boston, New York, and we really had a good thing going.

And I never thought we'd take investment. I wasn't looking for investment. And this guy, Mike Kearns, went from Yahoo! Digital. The turning group reached out and he's like, Hey, I'm a fan of Bastable. Would you ever be interested in taking a meeting about investment? And I'm always open and taking meetings, but it never I get different people reaching out and never really got serious. This guy, Mike, was in San Francisco after the phone call.

The next day he flew to Boston, which immediately showed that he was very serious. We had dinner and he was basically like, if I give you money, what would you do? And I said, well, I think I would create we're all separated. So I was in Boston. Dan are going Chicago. Chicago we had in New York. I feel like I said we all moved to one place and create like a twenty four seven basically blog reality show.

And he was into it. And I was convinced Mike Kearns and Chernin were believers in the content and that was first and foremost. And we struck a deal. I could they never could tell me to do anything with content and they'd invest money into bar stool. And most importantly, I think give us credibility. Like, it wasn't just a mad man. Turner had a reputation, connections, all of that. So it would take us to this, like, renegade kind of outfit.

So what are those guys doing? Street cred, correct. Introduction, street cred, everything. And I also knew we weren't great on the business side. And I don't think we were not great on the business side because I can't do business. But we're so busy in the weeds and we're doing well. Correct. It's like I'm writing blogs, doing content. You have to beg us to advertise. Our technology sucked. So I realized that I said, what we going to build out the business side?

We've got to find a CEO. I'll do all the content. Let's hire somebody to run the business and everything that we talked about. He agreed with the valuation of the company. We got screwed in hindsight, but you mean they were out, they put a valuation on it? Yeah, he picked one out of the clouds, was like seven point five million. It ended up around twelve point five. I didn't realize at the time I'd never done it.

They were like pro negotiators. Now, they were also the perfect fit for us. And they lived up to everything they said. We never had maybe one to two disagreements in the time we've been with them.

So they were the perfect partner because I've done a deal with IBM Global for skinny girl cocktails. And now the multiples are 10 times what I was paid for my cocktail, but I needed the street cred. I needed to not get swallowed. I needed I get I get everything you're saying. And the valuation, if you're talking about five million dollars swing and they did everything they said, then you're good. That's good.

So we got it up. It probably could have been more. But what they did, Chernin which which the credit I feel like they most deserve is bar is controversial and they knew it. And I don't think it's as controversial as people say it is. But people, especially in the times we live in, they'll make mountains on Mohle and they never interfered. They never will like this. They just sat let us do our thing. And that's what needed to be done.

So to me, once I was convinced they're going to let us be us and this is going to take Bastable from me making a good living to, you know, potentially a much bigger and help all of the guys that have been with me that offer them a much better opportunity of becoming millionaires and whatnot. I was comfortable with the deal, how many people work with you? So when we did, that deal was like 13. I think we have two hundred and fifty.

That's really big. OK, and so you have a back end, like if they cash out again, you can ring the bell again.

Or so we did so again. So we've sold twice. OK, so so we, we sold fifth, I sold fifty one percent of the company to Chernick Group. OK, last year we sold thirty six percent of it to a company called Penn National Gaming Casino Company. OK, and they have the option at the end of three years to basically become the sole owner. Got it.

OK, so then that also was an amazing decision. Yeah.

That has made me very wealthy, more wealthy than I ever dreamed. I'm sure you've gone through this at some level, meaning maybe not the exact scenario, but I worked very hard for a long time to make like one dollar. And then we did this deal with Penn in there, a publicly traded company. Half of it was equity, half of it was cash. But the stock has gone from like twenty six to one hundred and twenty and like a year.

So that's I get that too.

I have a lot of parallels, the most parallel career that I've ever heard of, anyone I've ever spoken to on here. So I'm fascinated by this. So go ahead.

So, well, we did the deal. The stock was at twenty six dollars. Twenty cents. We do the deal Wall Street likes. It goes up the forty covid hits. They have like casinos all over the country. They're all shut down. Stock goes to four, so from forty to four. So we're going out of business here. What. Right then things start turning around simultaneously. I become very well known on Wall Street and everything just came together and it's like this is the pen guy, this is the Basel guy.

This is the guy making headlines all over the place. And people bought into it and it just has skyrocketed. The perfect storm. It really was. So is that like you're like a more modern, edgy, common man, Jim Cramer? Yeah, I think that's a good way. I love Jim Lovell, so basically I did something to Wall Street and finance that. Had it really been done yet, it was Jim Cramer exactly like he kind of revolutionized with mad money and screaming horns.

But I did something I, I used Meems and Internet and I was making hyp videos and I was like, it looked like you were going to a football game. When I'm talking about stocks and I'm calling out talking heads and I'm doing what people do on the Internet, except I brought it to finance. So I turned on the cameras and I'm like, I'm going to Detroit. And I was putting up like millions of dollars and people were watching in real time as I was getting killed or winning.

And it just people hadn't seen that before with the gimmicks and all the bells and whistles that I've been doing a parcel forever. But it had never been put to finance before and finance all these stuffy people, these talking heads. Yeah, it just they didn't even know how to react to it. And it and it caught fire, basically. That's amazing.

So you're very creative. I mean, and you're also very good at tech. And I'm not I hate managing people the same way. I'm not good at all of that. I hate social media and Instagram and knowing what's what and how to do this and filters and game and like, you're amazing at all that stuff. I envy that. I'm very creative, but that stuff is very hard for me.

Yeah, I'm not great at it, but we are the first like Internet digital company just when we launched. So we everyone we hire here grew up doing this stuff. So I may not have to make it, but I've got a team of people who this is all they've done their whole life.

You know what you want to have for dinner. Someone else can cook it like this is what we're having. I got to work on that. So because when you did the first deal, you didn't care about the money. You just wanted to grow the business and grow the brand, which I also get you make different decisions in different parts of your career for different reasons. It's not always about the money. Sometimes you take no money because it's about the street cred or it's about just the awareness or to build the overall brand or it's a flagship store.

So now that I hear about the second year, what is the end zone like?

Have you taken it into the end zone where and I know you don't plan all of these things, but what what would the end zone look like for you if somebody asked me what the end zone or the end goal was when I did when I started the company to turn and to now it's changed so much, the goalposts keep moving. But what I'm about to say, as insane as it sounds, is far more realistic then if I started day one, same here.

So I guess I have bigger goals I like. I think we can be a billion dollar company. You know, we're at the forefront of a legalized by gambling. There's marijuana and there's gambling after that. I don't know what else is there to legalize. And we're in the perfect position for it. So if we can execute on our vision, I think I could be in a position where it's like, hey, I want to buy a sports team.

Wow. OK, is how big I think the dream can be for the literal end zone. Yes.

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So she was like one of the original YouTube stars, literally, like she has like a wax statue of madam, too. So really like one of the original. And I hired her out of a tanning salon way back in Boston. And we had a female site still a lot back in the early days. And then she got so big she moved to L.A., became a star. So we have some of that. I mean, it clearly is still male, but we have a much bigger female audience probably than people give us credit for.

Well, yeah.

And also sporting events, they always say, like women are a huge part of the audience at the Super Bowl and things like that. I'm just I was just curious because we're always trying to broaden our audience, me to men, to women. And I've got all the moms and all these tech talkers reach out to me, mostly the guys. But because their mothers are fans, so their moms are saying, talk to her and do what she's doing.

So, you know, you find your your talent and your guess.

I know. Yeah, I do a podcast with them. I was successful to my late 30s. I didn't have any money. I was crazy. So they're just eighteen years old. I mean, that's a whole other world. So are you still the common man? Like are you still the way you used to be? How have you changed? Do you love the nicest suite. Do you have you learned to really spend and this isn't a trap.

This is like literally have you learned to spend and enjoy money or do you still have that sort of is it going to be taken away from me mentality. What is your relationship to money. Do you have noise about it? What is it. I like having it.

I think if I lost it it wouldn't affect me that much. I'm not money conscious. I never have been. I'll spend what I have. So the more I have, the more I spend, ironically. Which everyone always says the more well known I am, the less I have to spend it on things like going out and you know, I go to Miami now, do some out. I used to go there before I had to scrounge up every penny with my buddies to be able to sit at a table.

Now I get those tables for free, which is crazy because I can afford. Right. But yeah, I'm definitely living a far more extravagant lifestyle. The only thing that is going to sound so bougie. I love flying private. That's the only thing I'd miss.

I get it now because. But that's about time. That's you valuing your time and going through security. That's I'm saying. But that's time. It's like I'm stuck and I'm sure that your time is super valuable. Are you do you want to have a meaningful relationship? Do you want to have a family? Is that a priority for you? How do you envision balancing that? How do you do that dance?

Yeah, I don't know if I'd say it's a priority. I'm certainly like I kind of look at my life day by day. And if I met somebody and it's like, OK, I want to hang out with this person the next day, the next week, the next month. OK, maybe I found something here. Is there a part of me at times like, oh, I'm forty three, I'm to be like this old single man. That's not the greatest occasionally, but I don't let it control me.

There's nothing I can do. I never going to be the person who wakes up, be like I need to find like a partner or anything like that. Well do you.

Because you have a program I call it. I call it a program. Like I have a program. I have a daughter. I live here. I go there. My career is this. I do HSN, whatever. So you have obviously a serious program. Could you be with a woman who had their own program? It really has to be someone who's down with your program because it's so intensive and there's nothing wrong with either one. I'm just saying, what's your general thing?

I really don't know. Like, I don't I have no idea. I maybe I could meet somebody and I like that they're doing their own thing. Or maybe I'd want to be more part. I don't know. It sounds cliche ish, but if I did meet somebody I like just to know and whatever that is, that makes me be like that's the person the program, whether it's that or as you're calling it, I don't know. I really don't know.

But you would never online date. What do you mean on my date, like on one of the services. Yes, a dating app.

Because I met my boyfriend who's spectacular, and no one would ever believe I would meet him. And people don't believe he he met me there. Oh, you met him on that? Yeah, on that. But it was like he's like Prince Charming. So I'm just saying it's not that it's crazy that you could meet real people. It's shocking who you can meet online if you ever want to meet someone. If you do wake up one day because you can't be casual about, you have to like I might be interested in meeting someone because it's like you're going into a store to look for what you do like.

And the difference, though, between like Instagram, like I mean, a million people slide into my DMS wanting to me.

I'll give you a great idea, because you know that they are there because they want to seriously meet someone and most of them on certain apps do want to seriously meet someone. They're not. There are some that just want to check and get laid, get a free meal. You can weed that all out. There are some at a certain level that are smart, that are educated, that really want to meet someone. You've checked that box and then you can find out what they do, how they live, where they travel, that you can go over to their social little for that.

But you really do kind of get an understanding and you can do a zoomed in. You don't have to leave your house. You get to see what their house looks like. You get to kind of have a conversation. You could put some makeup on if you want and have a drink and you put on a cute shirt, you can wear no pants as long as they don't. Maybe they want that. But, you know, and you haven't expended any time or energy and you've been on a first date and then, you know, if you want to see them again in person, it's really good.

I promise you, it's efficient, you're efficient. You know the fucking time to like and meeting in a bar. Apparently, girls now don't like to meet guys in bars covid notwithstanding, because what happens is if there are two women sitting at a bar, they're doing it for a reason. They're not sitting there for guys to walk up to them. And guys won't even walk up to them because they know that these girls would be on on my dates if they wanted to tonight.

And they like to vet people. So it's a really good vetting program. That's what I think.

I got to be honest, I don't see that scenario happening for me anytime soon. All right.

Well, let me help write your dating profile. If you do so, what do you like to do in your spare time? What is your personal life like? Not business. Just what do you enjoy?

I like horse racing. I like gambling, which is now my livelihood. So that's good. And then I go out. I'm a single guy, so I go out.

You like to dance? I'd like to go to the clubs. Do I want to say dance? No, I don't know. I'm more of like a sit in the back of a table and just kind of like Bob, like a chair dancer. Like it doesn't matter what type of music playing, it could be like it is a sister or like rap or like techno. I'm dancing the same way, which is just like this.

OK, and then I want to know if this is an important question. What's your all star? Five athletes, the all star team from any different sport?

My personal Tom Brady, clearly. Then it's Michael Jordan. Wayne Gretzky.

Go to six. Well, golf's Jack Nicklaus, boxing's Muhammad Ali. Baseball is a tough one, huh? I don't know, I put in baseball, maybe let your fans put that stuff as a tougher one. All right. So baseball, you'll get back to me soon. Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, Gretzky, Jack Nicklaus, Ali. What sport? There's one sport.

Oh, you want tennis? It's Federer. All right. That's your all star team. You are great. I enjoyed talking to you. I appreciate it. I know you have no time and you gave me some, so I really appreciate it. I hope we get to meet in person one day. And I hope I get to hear about your dating fictitious profile.

But if you had one sentence on a dating profile. Hi, I'm Dave. All right. I like it. I like it. Trademarked by Dave.

So up I'm. I really enjoyed my conversation with Dave.

I thought that coming in, he was a little bit hesitant and he probably so many people annoying him and asking stupid questions and he probably agreed to do this. And then it comes this morning and is like, oh, I have to do this podcast, because that's what does happen with things like this. And it's OK.

And I really felt that throughout the course of the conversation he was being asked questions that he doesn't normally think about, you know, about the machinations of his business, about the way that he makes decisions about who he is as a person, which is really what I'm most interested in. It's not about what happened in the headlines last week and what did he say to someone? And people like him sometimes get worried ahead of time. Like what is she going to try to ask me?

And I just really wanted to get a sense of who he is, because people who are really, really successful have many differences from one another. And there are definitely similarities that you can peg. And there was a lot about his trajectory that I saw in mine, which was comforting and familiar and made me want to kind of dig deeper. So I appreciate you listening. Rate review and subscribe. I thought Dave Portnoy was an excellent guest and we just keep getting the most incredible guests because of you and your feedback.

That was really fun and different and controversial, all of which I love. So thank you so much. Have a great day.

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