What percentage do you think that you are lucky and what percentage do you think that you're smart out of 100? One hundred percent smart. Oh, all right, I like it, I'm not I'm not a dumb blonde. I'm just very good at pretending to be one.

Hi, welcome to week two of Just Be I am so blown away and moved and shocked by the support and feedback that I've gotten from you so far, you have rallied. I'm speechless. I mean, so many of you didn't know how to subscribe to podcasts and had never listened to one before, including myself. And you just came and you loved it and you've rated it. And I read all the comments and I could not be more thrilled. Thank you.

From the bottom of my heart. Keep listening and keep reading. Keep reviewing. Keep subscribing. Today is going to be an incredible show. Derinda is here. It's usually just me talking to you, but sometimes I just want to have someone come in. If I feel that it's something you might want to hear or something they might want to have, might want to say during. He's got a lot of wisdom. She's funny. She's a broad.

She just left the housewives and it's sort of a story. And no one knew whether she got fired or whether she left, except I knew that. And it's just a good conversation, just light and bright and funny and stupid. And I loved Orenda. And I know you're going to love everything she has to say today.

All right, let's get this party started. So Derinda is here, you may think she's funny if you've ever seen her on television, but they don't really, really capture how fucking hilarious she is. And for someone like me who's a comedy snob to say someone's hilarious, it is a big goddamn deal that I'm not interested in people who aren't funny. I take that as a compliment. It's like an orgasm, you know, to get it's like I get off laughing at you.

Hysterical, but good laugh because people really enjoy. You're a great people. Don't sit your gutteral out. I love a gutteral exactly what we're going to call. I got to laugh. So you.

Yeah, I think on the show they really found me funny.

I thought about that after the fact. Like people never really laughed really hard. Like I'm definitely better and more funny off the show that I'm more of a sort of a a one liner on the show. But I'm I make people really laugh in my home and beyond and the audience laughs at you.

May even still wasn't portrayed as as funny, but the girls on the show don't think they're funny because they don't really have a sense of humor. They literally don't have a sense of humor, which is super important. So here we go. You could say we could say a lot about, you know. All right.

So you left the show. We're going to get a little bit into that. It was said that you had a rough season.

Listen, I did not have a good season this year, so I'm not going to make excuses for that. But I was doing real, you know, that's where I was at that time.

It's you know, it has been said that, you know, I probably should have taken a year off like like you did. You decided to do. And I'll be honest with you, I felt very, very scared going into the season because not only was my life very intense with all the things that, you know, the house, my father broken rib breaking up with John.

She broke up with her boyfriend. Her father got sick and her house flooded because everyone might not have seen OK.

And then I broke my rib. So it was like, wow. But I think the thing and maybe I'm not putting any blame, but, you know, when you left, I was really in a mode of coming back and being a powerful couple. So then, you know, I got the I came back and I was sort of a toothpick in an ocean. And I didn't I I was I didn't get my voice out correctly.

I exactly. Well, that's exactly. And you get in over your skis, you drink, something happens, you say something, and then you're in your head about what you've just said. But the show must go on. You're still filming. There's still cameras. So that's what is challenging. And that's where I do feel you and listen, everybody always gets their resurrection season. So the next season, the person is super nice, right? They got burned everything they did wrong.

The season before we see the other the other characters, we've seen that in the in our characters on our show. And this I had a rough season, but that's what we do as housewives. We have good seasons. We have bad seasons. We we we come back and we change it up.

And I was looking forward to coming back this year. I was looking forward to having that woman. I mean, when I found out with this thing all went down, I was just getting off the phone with this woman that was doing she's doing a bluestone manor gingerbread house. And I'm thinking it's going to be great for the show and oh, my God, this is going to be my season and I'm going to come back because everything's done. I'm in a good place.

So it really was sort of, you know, no one likes rejection. Great.

Well, no. If you go out with a guy and you feel like you did something stupid or had bad breath or had spinach in your teeth and you find it out when you get home, you want to go out, you hope the guy calls and then you get to go again to just like make it up, make it nice. You wanted to make it nice. That's the truth.

Listen, truthfully, is this I didn't talk because I didn't want to talk. I, I was ready to go back. I was excited about going back. I was planning on going back and I thought I would have a great year. I wasn't given that option.

That's a great way to say it. Your option was not exercised. Yeah, the option was not exercised in my mind. They're calling it a pause, which I don't really. For me, I'm an old fashioned girl. If you're not waitressing and getting paid, you're not waitressing. OK, so you know what I'm saying. Yeah. So at the end of the day, was it mutual? No, this is pretty much the first time I've spoken as honestly outside of you and I talking that I've done.

You can you can attest to that one hundred percent.

And you've been respectful even here today. We've talked about it a lot. My advice to you was it's going to be tempting to say something, let the dust settle and relax and just let it breathe because you wanted to go back.

And I would it's release me to do other things.

You know, it it's it's put me in a really much saner place because you can become because of my personality, no matter what I do, it is everything to me.

It could be cooking. It could be motherhood. It could be doing this damn bluestone matter. You know, I'm all in I'm like you.

There's really no gray in life. It's either know.

So, you know, when I you know, so it takes a while to get away from that. But then when you get away from it and you start to have all these other opportunities, look at I get to be here today, this wouldn't have happened.

And you could develop your friendships in a different way. My friend Heather Kerzner, who I love when I called her up to. She said because she's moving to New York, she said to me, oh, my God, I'm so happy you're not going back this year. Now you can be with your your friends again because you've been ignoring us for six years. You never want to just be Derinda anymore. And in a weird way, that was one of the best things anyone could have said to me, because it's kind of it's kind of true.

And because birthday parties aren't real, they're bright and lit and you're having conversations aren't real. And you think that the world understands the show or cares about it and most people don't even know what it is.

But what I want to say is you do like thriving, but you like surviving something to your great underdog. You like fighting back from something. You're a warrior. So I feel like this is good because you are upset. And I was worried about you. And but I also was, like, excited for you because, you know, it it made a decision for you. It created a path for you. You left on the best possible terms.

So, like, just quickly, ninety nine point nine percent of housewives that leave the housewives were fired and ninety nine point nine percent of that, ninety nine point nine percent say that it was mutual or that it was their idea. And it's not. It's just the money is too good for being this kind of high class prostitute. And people just don't leave unless they are financially sound in other ways.

And you're in it and you just it becomes part of your lifestyle and then they pay you well and you don't have a reason not to be. You're chasing the dragon. Yeah. Personally, financially, all these ways. I can't go I can't go on a trip in October. I'm filming. Right. You know, so that's how you think you're in it. Kind of coltish a little way.

And, you know, I kind of decided during that when I happened to just go silent, you know, all these housewives handle it different ways. They put out statements. They work with Bravo this they they go on talk shows, podcast. They try to get their word out. The day it happened, I literally put down the phone. I think I called you. I called my mom, I called Hannah.

And in a weird way, the hardest call for me was, oh, God, I'm going to cry. That was my mother, because it was so much about the the the going back or not going back. I was just so afraid she was going to you know, I've never failed that any time, you know. And I think the last time I cried to my mother was when Richard died because I don't cry. I get through it. And I said, I feel like I let you down.

You know, I know now that I think this is the healthiest thing for you. You've been running like a maniac since your husband died. And now let's see where he is. You don't have to do motherhood. You don't have to be a wife. You should just spend time, some time with the Derinda, find who that person is again.

And also to I forgot that I didn't get created on the Housewives. Already came a fully baked cake. I just gave him a piece of it so it wasn't hard for me to transition back. I pretty much doing what I would do anyway.

Well, but what I mentioned last time, it's not that easy for a woman in her 50s to start a new career, make an income like that. That's what the people and because it's not twenty three year olds, don't forget and it's not you know, it's fifty something is the average age. So that's like we're also. What are you going to go you're going to go work at IBM, incorporate corporate and make that you know. Well that's that's the thing.

And also too, I'm too ambitious, too curious, too alive to do nothing. So that that's where it got tricky for me, wasn't you know, was that that, you know, fear sets in, fear sets in and you got to really fight that because if you just let it breathe, you realize that, like, you know, I think you even said after three or four days, you just sound so different.

You sound happy because the first couple of days I was panic.

No, I know you sometimes just have to jump to fly. Now, Derinda was maybe pushed out of the plane, but she chose to fly. And the thing I think is that it made you a little more relevant and interesting. For some reason, you were clumped in with a group just like me in a way. And somehow the way you left it for you more than anyone, because everybody and this is for people who get broken up with, by the way, people who get let go, there's something nice about being honest, like it's liberating.

And you did nothing to hide behind. And so many people in the same experience that you've gone through with similar popularity have tried to be like, you know, it was mutual. I broke up with them, blah, blah, blah. I've spent so much time about that and it hasn't seemed genuine. The message doesn't come across and it doesn't seem confident, like something about the way you've left seems very confident. It seems very liberated. It seems honest and it seems empowering.

And it honestly seems like you're more relevant. I don't know why, but it just came out came out good.

I was really surprised and pleased how the audience spoke for me exactly like it was really like, wow, I was love because you forget that I didn't even realize how beloved you are.

It makes sense that you are because you're such so iconic and a broad and funny and honest and you're like someone's fun like aren't in a good way. But I want to have you back. I think you're amazing and I would love for you to be my Robin anytime you want to do it.

This is amazing. I think talking's healing and you explore yourself as well as, you know, just opening up. It's healing. So I love it all. You know me, I mentioned it all.

Stay with me because I'll be talking to Paris Hilton when we come back after the break.

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Well, today's discussion with Paris takes me full circle. I'm going to be talking to Paris Hilton, who I used to babysit and nanny before she was the incredible boss, a businesswoman that she is now. So she now has 19 product brands, including fragrances, skin care, fashion, makeup and more. She is a deejay who performs around the world. And most recently, she was the subject of a documentary on YouTube called This is Paris. This is Paris is unbelievable.

She is just unfiltered, raw. She goes there, she lets you see really the other side. So basically, this interview is just real Paris and we've never heard it like this before. And I'm just honored and grateful that I got to have this opportunity to talk to her. So let's get into it.

How are you? Good, how are you, babe? I'm good. I have to tell you that I finished the documentary last night and I didn't really sleep. I was it really was spectacular.

Like, I can't believe how good it was. I mean, thank you. Yeah, literally.

I texted your mom. I texted Nicky. I couldn't believe how good it was. I was actually moved. And I just it was so real and so courageous and just so not forced. Yeah.

I think it's definitely the first time I've actually been my true self and was just so open and honest and that really just put it all out there and ways that I never have in my life.

Do you feel free a little more, just like liberated lighter. How do you feel?

Definitely I feel. Which is like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders, just something that I've been holding in for so long, you know, and just kind of release that from me. And now I've seen the film so many times, just watching it and also just seeing how different I was even last year. Because when you're living that life and you're traveling constantly, you don't really realize it. But after literally just watching myself and just seeing just how stressed out I was, how lonely I was, just how I was going through so much and now today to be in such a different mindset.

And it just it makes me feel just really happy and also really proud of just the woman I am and what I've been through and how strong I am.

I think it's amazing. And I also like that you refer to yourself as a woman because, I mean, you look so young and just watch, you know, you're always sort of like flitting through life and it seems so effortless and carefree. You're a serious businesswoman. And I want to know, do you think of yourself like that? Do you think of yourself as a serious businesswoman? Yes, definitely.

I also I'm always going to be a kid at heart. That's just how I am. But I, I now am like a full grown up then.

Yes, you absolutely are. And I don't think most people know that. I met your I met your Aunt Kyle at La Scala, where you used to go with your whole family for chopped salads. And I was the hostess and your mom needed someone to help her at the staircase, which I saw for a second in the documentary. And I was wrapping gifts. She had the store with all these ornaments and like all this tchotchkes, which I am like the least to, I don't have a single extra thing.

And then part of the job became coming to in my Ford Probe to get you and Nicki from Lisa from this sort of like fancy French school. And I remember we'd go with Kyle to the like mobile mar to the gas station after and I would take you guys ice skating and I can't remember. Do you remember that you were young? Do you do so? I would take you to go get ferret's at the pet store at Century City and Nikki would want to go to rampage, which was sort of like, I don't know.

I was like, what what was what is rampage? Remember rampage at a store? I go out.

Rampage is like the forever twenty one of today. Right.

OK, that's exactly I that's exactly the way exactly what it was. That's so funny. And just to remember all of that and it's so cute that we've known each other for so long and look how far you've come boss.

And now I'm a nanny to Paris Hilton and now killing it. It's, it's crazy. And yeah. I mean, I see watching the documentary, I see a lot of similarities in our lives. I mean, I've had a definitely unsavory aspects of my childhood. And I, I relate to you. I relate to you not sleeping. And that being like a maniac, like something that's maddening inside. I mean, yes, you had specific reasons for that, as do I.

But just like you not being able to turn your mind off because you're always activated, always working.

You know, I want to know how you view, like, old school hard work and how hard do you actually work and what does that mean? Like how do you apply that?

I feel very blessed to have grown up in a family that is full of entrepreneurs and businessmen and just looking up to my great grandfather, my grandfather, my father, they were always my mentors growing up. And I always wanted to make them proud. And it was always a lot to live up to just what the Hilton name, what I went through definitely gave me that drive to want to become independent and to want to not just be known as the Hilton Hotel granddaughter.

I always had this drive to be known as Paris and build my own brand separate from my family. So. It's obvious it's taken a lot of work ever since I was a teenager. I've been working nonstop with all my traveling and just constantly every single day. It's it's something different because I have 19 product lines. I do music. I'd say I am a businesswoman. I am a brand. I'm an artist. It's just nonstop every single day.

It's very, very intense and it's activating. It's like, absolutely. You're just on all the time. Is time or money more valuable to you? And I know money's important and I know that you're working hard for me, for example. Doing something has to be so worth it, and my life has just been so nonstop, so I never really had a second to just think about it. It's all been about my business and my work. And now I you know, I obviously I still have that drive.

I love to work, but I also value my time a lot more. I'm really more focused on things that are more important in my life, like my relationship moving on to the next phase of my life and continuing to be that businesswoman, but not to be everywhere and going to Ibiza and living out there and touring and just this really hectic schedule where I really couldn't focus on myself. I really just want to be happy with what I've created and and not focus so much on the monetary aspect of it.

Well, it's funny because I think of it as buckets where I say I'd rather have six buckets really full than 20 buckets, you know, just like half full meaning like the really like if your relationship is one bucket, it's something quality that you can invest in if this other business opportunity isn't such a time suck, but it's really has a big return on your investment, then that's a good bucket to fill. Are you capable of being present and being in the moment, meaning without stimulation, without the phone, without calling someone, without just being present?

Now, I more than ever, I think before I was just so addicted to being on the phone and on social media and like you said, like getting stuck in these rabbit holes where you're like on Instagram or looking and, you know, all the online shops and just kind of getting distracted in that way. So now I take time or I just put my phone away. And that's like a rule that my boyfriend and I have. Like, we always want to be there and have that time together.

So during dinners or when we're together, we both don't even take our phones out because we're just really talking to each other. I've never been that way before. Like, I've always any time I've been at dinner or anything, I've literally been on the phone maybe 80 percent of the time.

But now I'm just in such a great place and I really enjoy my conversations with my boyfriend. So I don't really care to look at my phone like I used to, which is interesting because if you're just looking at your phone, you're like in your own head, in your own life.

If you're talking to somebody else, you're learning from them. You're growing. It's sort of like you're not just in your hole with yourself, which I think is is a great note for people to and for sure. Well, have you noticed a difference in your business and the way that you're working? Are you working, you know, smarter in being more present in that way?

Definitely. I used to have nightmares every single night and now my nightmares have went away, I think from the film, just talking about my experiences and everything I've went through that really helped. And I'm just so happy.

It's hard to describe. That's a man never thought I could feel this way. That's a beautiful thing. Everyone deserves to be happy and it might just be your transition in your time. You know, you might just be finally blossoming. And this is like a good chapter.

Yes. All right, so you started out on the simple life when you were 16 and you now have a major empire with multiple product lines and businesses. And I want to understand how you went from what could easily have been a superficial passing socialite moment to who you are today.

Well, when I was on The Simple Life, I before I made that decision, I reality TV was so new. There was nothing out there. It was basically the first of its kind. So I didn't know what I was getting myself into, but I went for it.

And then when the show aired and had 13 million viewers and was such a huge success at that moment, I realized this is my platform to help me build my business and my brand. And while I was just doing the show and doing everything, I started really thinking about what my next steps were. And that's when I went and met with all the fragrance companies and did my first deal with potlucks. And now today I have just released my twenty seventh fragrance.

So yeah, I think the simple life was definitely that turning point in my life. I knew with this platform I could build a huge business.

So that's interesting for people that are listening, that aren't on TV, that may not be on Instagram that you is. We have the same thing. So what I'm finding is through interviewing really successful people, that there are just similar things that I have in common or that we all have in common that are just coming out. And I want to know, how are you, the talent and also the CEO?

Well, since the beginning of my career, I've that's how it's always been. I feel like I'm kind of like this walking live billboard brand for my business and my brand. So I've always had to be the CEO and being in charge of my business because it's such a massive empire that I built. And I feel that if you really want things to get done in the correct way, you need to do them yourself. So I agree. I'm just there for all of it.

It's it's it's a lot that goes into it, especially when you have to be that public person and you have to be on all the time and and and really putting yourself out there and then also being in the boardroom, doing all my business with all my different brands and all the companies I work with.

Right. And it's funny that you say that because there's one thing I took away there is that you do have to do it yourself. But there are other people around you in business that you could trust if I mean, from, like a creative understanding, your brand. Are there those people?

Yeah, of course I'm there one hundred percent for everything I do. But I also have amazing people helping, you know, behind the scenes, supporting me and helping make everything happen. Because, you know, that's a really important part of being a businesswoman is really putting together that team of people.

If you don't have the right team, it's it's just makes it so much more difficult. And how hard is it to find it?

Doesn't it take years? And you have people you can't trust, the people that are morons? And how long does it take to get your dream team?

Years and years. It's it's really I've went through so many different people and I've been burned so many times and I've had people take advantage of me and steal for me and lie to me and use my name. It's just I've been through hell and back in that area of my life because it's really hard to get someone that either understands you or that doesn't become greedy and start trying to do these side deals without telling you. It just there's so much that goes into it.

And when before when I was constantly traveling, it's hard to really even know what they're doing behind the scenes and what they're getting away with. Until everything always comes to light, though, I feel that I always find out when something is happening. I might not find out right away, but, you know, the truth always comes out. Agreed.

And it seems like you used to be much more open. And I was the same way. I trusted everybody. And you got to be you have to be a gangster about it. You smell it. You can smell it. You could just you know, when something feels wrong, it could be off the littlest thing, the littlest charge, the littlest weird thing. And then if that's one thing, it's like if there's one rat, there's a hundred of them.

So then you're like, oh, no.

Now I got to look down this thing because this is and then I'm just once that happens, I'm done with the person. I can't trust them. And that's when I just I can't have them in my life or my circle.

How decisive are you? So sometimes for me, like, I could take a long time to order a pasta, but I could decide about my business or buying a house in two seconds. So how decisive were you in business?

I really just go with my gut feeling and even sometimes my team will be like, I don't think you should do this. And I will think of it because I'm always thinking of long term. And I feel that a lot of people always think short term because all they care about is the commission on that one deal right away. And I don't know, I've always been the type of person who thinks into the future and thinks ten steps ahead.

You're a big picture thinker. You could say they're playing checkers and you're playing chess. Exactly. I love all your analogies.

I'm going to I'm going to get some of the things you can steal them.

That's why I'm going. Them so you can steal them, so you talk about family and children, can you think about a relationship partnership like the way that you invest in business and not specifically your business? I just mean with the same sort of passion and intensity and capability as you as you have in business, in relationships.

Because I ask myself this question before. No, like before I was only focused on my work. And I think just the relationship part of it was more me always pretending like portraying like, oh, this is the perfect life. I have the perfect boyfriend, all of that. But I was never truly happy because I was just traveling. I was working so hard. So I didn't really have time to invest into my relationship. It was just all about my business.

And, you know, now I think that your relationship is the most important part. And now, especially during this pandemic, to have so much time together. I feel like that, especially with my boyfriend and I, we have lived like what most couples would experience, like in five years in these past nine months together. So it's brought us so close.

And I think your relationship has to do with everything, your happiness, how you feel, the future of your family and your life. So I'm investing more into my relationship now than I do into my businesses because that's more important to me.

Well, that's an interesting gift from the pandemic. You had this intense exploration that if you were distracted and running everywhere, might not have gotten so deep in this time. Yes, definitely.

So that's a gift. So explain your different path from Nickie's, because you guys used to be one identity. You were Paris and Nicky, Paris and Nicky and you really took different paths. And, you know, you're Portuguese portrayed even in the and it's not portrayed. It's maybe true. I mean, I know you both and she's very calm. I would say call her the silent assassin. She's very calm and, you know, but she's tough.

Like, I don't think people realize how tough she is. And you both have a lot of your mom and you and your grandmother because you don't forget, I knew your grandmother, too. You talk about her in the documentary. I remember her hiding all her jewelry in the manager. And like she she was totally nuts and fun and like a broad. She was a broad. And I you know, I loved that about her. How did that path separate had that path diverge?

Yeah, we started our career together as teenagers when we went to Tokyo, and that's when we started the brand of the Hilton sisters. And then as we grew up, then Nikki Nikki was always I think definitely when people see the film, they're going to see see what you decide that she's just such a boss, so strong. And she's always even though she's my little sister, I've always looked up to her like my big sister. She's always been the one who just tells me how it is.

And I don't really have a lot of people in my life who are like that.

It's so true. And I think she seems she comes off as cold. She's really thoughtful. Like I had it. I had a loss. I lost my fiance passed away. And, you know, she really I could tell she really felt it like she felt really bad. She really does care. And she also seems like she cares about the people she cares about. And then the rest, she doesn't really know you have that whole thing. You keep your circle tight.

Definitely. And I think she also became that way because seeing me go through so much and seeing me get burned by people or just things that have happened to me, I think have really affected her. And yes, she does come off like cold and stern, but actually she's just super sensitive about things. And it's just the way she is. She's just such just a strong person. And I don't know what I would do without her.

One superficial question about stuff. I feel like you need a see as a chief stuff officer. I could do that if I retire. If she really all goes to shit with this podcast, I could be a chief staff officer. I would run that shit like a tight ship. You have no idea. Like, I'd be like this comes in. That goes out. This goes here. Do you really give a shit about the stuff of it? What are your three or a few prized possessions that are not, you know, not your pets, not people like material objects?

What would you what are your prized possessions?

My things I love I love my Slive mobile, which is my w I wish I had wrapped in like holographic it looks like unicorn mermaid skin.

It's like amazing. OK, I love that. And I love my twenty first birthday dress as something that I love and cherish because OK, I think it's just such an iconic piece of fashion and like history. OK, and then what else do I love. I love my doggy mansion, the doggy mansion.

I love it because when I was little, I just brings back so many memories. When we used to live at Strattera and Bel Air, we had this dollhouse that my parents had for us. And I said one day when I have kids, I'm going to. I'm a dollhouse like this, and because I don't have kids yet, I built this house for my four babies, my little dogs, and it's just it's so cute because it's like a miniature version of my house.

It looks like exactly the same on the outside and has like furniture and like really cute wallpaper and the chandelier. And it's just it's so cute.

Oh, I love it. And it's in L.A.. Yes. Is that the house that Jaclyn Smith used to live in? That was like the biggest thing that I could ever even imagine back then. Yes, exactly. Oh, my God, I'm so happy for you. And I really know how much time this means to you. And I just want people to really understand how hard you have to work day in, day out to make it happen, which is also how people decide whether to do it or not.

Because you got to be up first there last. Keep your eye on the prize at all times. You know, you have your eye on the prize and that's why you're where you are.

Hard work is very important, but also just being a good person, because I feel that a lot of people, when they do come in this industry, they forget where they came from and they turn into this different person and they end up thinking they're better than people. And my mom always instilled that. I mean, the night before The Simple Life, Eric said, when this airs on Fox tomorrow, your life is going to change forever. And I want you to remain and stay the same sweet down to earth Paris that I love and know and and never let this get to your head.

And that's a piece of advice I always used and always will use for the rest of my life. And I'm so lucky to have that support system, my family, to give me that advice, because I think a lot of kids in Hollywood, they don't have that support system with their family.

And that's what that's the kind of parent you'll be and you'll just pay it forward and the cycle will continue like it did with your grandmother passing all this wisdom on to you and you'll pass it on to your kids and so on. Yeah. So I thank you so much. Just I'm glad you trust me today because I, you know, just wanted to know about the stuff. It's really important that really makes you you. So I appreciate it very much.

Thank you so much. Fun talking with you. I miss you. I love you.

Oh, now I love you too. Thank you. Paris. I am. I was going to see maybe Nikki later, so she asked me for a margarita recipe the other day. So I guess she's not living on planet Earth because I don't know who doesn't know how to make a fucking margarita, but I will talk to her and tell her how great it was.

And I love you too. And the best of success and try to sleep same time bed every night if you can when you can, because I have the same issues. But we'll talk about that offline. All right. Because.

Yes, bye bye. I am so happy about that interview. I just feel that people are misunderstood and you just see you can't judge a book by its cover. You know, I mean, you just have seen Paris like a rhinestone shining and just being sort of the original icon.

And Paris Hilton talks no differently and thinks no differently about business than Mark Cuban does. And the average person would not think you're putting Mark Cuban and Paris Hilton in the same sentence.

But the truth of the matter is, I had Paris Hilton on the show because she is a business person. The bottom line is there are certain tenets that everyone has, which is like if you want to do something right, you have to do it yourself. It's that you have to be working harder than anyone else. It's that you can't really trust everybody. All these things we're hearing these from anyone from Dana White, who's the head of the UFC, to Bozsum St.

John, who is the head of marketing at Netflix to Paris Hilton.

And that's what's fascinating to me. So I'm loving it and we're getting deeper and deeper and I'm really grateful. So thanks for listening. Remember to come back next week and remember to rate review and subscribe, and that's all I got a big kiss to you.

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