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We had to sell houses like get rid of houses, move multiple times because what I was doing was so expensive, but he wanted me to do what I loved and I saw that I was passionate about something which was really important to him. And he was full on, like willing to support something that I loved.


Welcome to the Just Women's Sports podcast, where we talk to the biggest athletes in the world about the untold stories behind their success. I'm Kelly O'Hara and my guest today is Chloe Kemp. Chloe is a five time X Games champion and Olympic gold medalist in halfpipe. She's the youngest woman to ever win snowboarding gold at the Olympics, as well as the first ever to land back to back 10 babies in a competition in twenty eighteen after her breakout performance in the Olympics.


Chloe won a trio of SPUs, her best athlete, best female Olympian and best female action sports athlete.


Chloe, welcome to the show. Thank you. Where are we finding you today? I am currently home and Marina Del Rey, California.


So you're in Southern California and that's where you grew up in Torrance. But you are an Olympic gold medalist in snowboarding. So explain how you got into that, because there are no mountains near Torrance, California, except for a couple hours away. So give us a rundown on how you got into snowboarding. Yeah, so I started when I was four and I actually started skiing when I was three and I didn't really do it. I went like twice.


My dad wanted to try skiing or like some type of snow sports. So we went to Mountain High. And so that's like where we would go. And then when I was four, I tried snowboarding and I was like, really good at it. So then it just kind of became a thing I learned with my dad.


And so the true story on the story is like that's like my interview, whatever. That's my answer. OK, but the real story is my dad wanted to try snowboarding with my mom. My mom didn't want to go to my dad, took me to, like, bribe her. But then I was like, unexpectedly really good at it. So it was my dad trying to buy my mom to go. And I ended up finding the sport. I was positive.


That's amazing.


And a great story. And we got the true story. That's like your first had your dad ever been skiing or snowboarding before, like as a kid, or was you just like, oh, I'm interested. I want to try this? Yeah.


I think he just wanted to try it because I think California is kind of known where you're able to do a snow sport and like be at the beach in the same day. It's like kind of thing. Yeah. So he's like, oh my gosh, I really want to try like that. So I wouldn't want to try and be on the snow because I don't know if he's had experience with the snow. I don't know if he grew up in a snowy area in Korea.


But anyways, so yeah, it was like super random, but it worked out.


So your dad takes you and you are four years old. First time you get on a snowboard and you're good at it, what does that even mean? Like what does that even look like as a four year old being good at snowboarding? It's just like you're fearless. What is that?


Yeah, I think is just one being fearless. I learned how to turn really quickly and really easily. And, you know, like I was able to understand how to snowboard, like, way better than my parents. My dad, especially my dad, like, started taking me more often and he saw that I had potential. So then we started doing it more. And my dad is so funny because he didn't know how to snowboard. Like getting on and off of a chairlift is very, very difficult.


I think it's one of the harder things to do, especially for a beginner. So what my dad would do is we get onto the chairlift and when we were about to get off, he grabbed me and get ready to fall because, like, he just knew it was coming. But like, I got annoyed, right? Because at a certain point, I kind of figured out how to get off without falling every single time.


But he couldn't, but he couldn't. So when I was like five or six, I was like, yo, dad, like you, if you're going to fall, do it. Don't drag me down with you. Like, let me do my thing. Let me spread my wings. So you're like, OK, fine. And then obviously I rode away just fine. My dad, like, fell and they had to stop. The chairlift knows this whole thing totally.


I feel like it looks way better when you have a kid because you're like, oh, I'm trying to help the kid. The kid fell.


Yeah. But now is my dad and everyone's just annoyed, but like we would ride all day. So we're doing this all day, like after every single front, like we're going back up and falling.


How's your dad been able to learn how to get off chairlift by now?


You know, he still struggles sometimes, but he's definitely better. Yeah.


So I grew up skiing and then switched to snowboarding when I was a teenager. Obviously not at the Olympic level, just for fun. But yeah, you have to have a little bit of fearlessness or not know any better so that you don't get scared because I feel like you learned later on in life, you know what pain feels like and you don't want to get injured.


Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I had no sense of pain at that age. Yeah.


So when did snowboarding change from like, oh, this is just something I enjoy doing too. I'm in a halfpipe trying to nail a trick. So when I was like six there was a competition at at Mountain High and my parents were like, well, let's sign her up and just see how she does. No idea what's going on, I don't necessarily know how many people competing against, but I got third, which is cool because I never practiced a thought about it before.


And so I was like, OK, like she got a bronze medal. That's cool. So I wonder what would happen if we started practicing, like, you know, it's like exciting. Like, it was just a fun thing. My dad had a daughter that was like really into a sport. He was like really stoked because I also feel like it was something he perceived as only being able to have with a son. But, you know, me being his daughter and him being able to have that experience with his daughter was like, really cool.


So he's like really stoked about it. And so we started like training. Like, I would go to the mountain, like after school and ride at night because at night writing. So I do that. And then like the next year I started like winning a couple of contests and then after that I start winning a couple contests. And then when I was eight, I moved to Switzerland to live with my aunt because my parents wanted me to learn French.


So I went and lived in Geneva for a couple of years. But by yourself on your own? Yeah, with my dear relatives, yes. OK, yeah.


And my friends would come visit me like once in a while. But the cool thing about Switzerland is our winter breaks I think would be like a month long. They'd be like longlong like breaks. So during all my breaks I'd be able to go snowboard because Switzerland has like the best know in the world. So there that's kind of when I became a little more experience of halfpipe, like I had competed in pipe before, but like they were in like good times.


So, so fast forward to Geneva. Yeah. And you said that your parents sent you there so that you could learn French fluently. Do you think there's a little bit in the back of your dad's mind, like Geneva Mountains? She's good at snowboarding. She'll be able to do it a lot.


I don't think so, because the other thing is, like my family and I, we were bulan on a budget like growing up. I had a lot of kids that were very wealthy and I came from wealthy families. So like, obviously they could go and travel the world and do all that at a young age. My my grandparents, they did not have that. So me going to Switzerland was like important to them. My sisters had done it too.


So that was like part of a thing that was like guaranteed. But then you just knew at eight years old you're going to get shipped to Switzerland. I just knew it was a part of my destiny. The cool thing about my dad is he's really good at finding bargains.


Deals like he's negotiated, negotiated. So he was somehow able to maneuver something like we'd stayed at like a chalet once in the mountains with like another like a school. And they had like an empty room. So like we stayed there instead of like a hotel that would have cost thousands of dollars for a week, just like things like that that I actually really appreciated. It was so much fun. But there they had really good halfpipe. So I would like practice and like, I had a lot of fun in them.


I also love slopestyle, so I like jumps and stuff. And so they had really good jumps there too. So I was able to like have a lot of fun and get a little more extreme. And then when I was nine, I went back to that mountain for a contest that they had called the European Open, and I did the junior jam. So I was like a baby and I won the contest there and got third in slopestyle.


That's incredible. Yeah. So I was like, OK, like that was my first big win. I was like super excited.


Yeah. It was kind of affirming that you were really good. Yeah.


I was like pretty like. Big contest, in a sense, like a bunch of kids are, a bunch of different countries would go and compete there. It was like almost like a pro contest. It felt like a pro contest to me. And I think from there I was like, OK, I think I'm actually really good at this. So let's keep trying and see what happens. And then from there, it just gets, like, uninteresting.


No, it doesn't feel like it's just getting started. So you go into this competition, your you said junior junior jam. And so you get to Geneva, there's half pipes there. There's like good train parks. Are you just going and kind of free balling it and just going for it coming up with things on your own? Or at this point, are you like watching other people? How did you learn or figure out like who I want to try this or I won't try that.


So my dad was a mechanical engineer, so he was like a physics genius like this.


This is right up my alley. So, you know, like we see other kids doing tricks.


And I feel like when I first started snowboarding and my dad would do a little bit of research and then the first person he thinks about is like Shaun White, right. Like that Shaun White was like at his peak when I kind of was starting. So like we'd watch a bunch of his tricks, right. And then we're like, OK, that kind of opened the door like some like woman snowboarders because we didn't know anything about snowboarding when we first started.


So I was like we were just like completely running in the dark. And so we find some like once-Over. We're so at the time I was like Gretchen Bleiler, Hannah Teter, Kelly Clark, and like my best friend now, Arielle Gold was like killing it. She was like the dope like 12 year old at the time, like when I was like eight or. Yeah, I think that's it. So I was like, oh my gosh.


Like, oh really. God, she's so cool, actually, like was a huge fan of hers. And we're like other girls around my age that we're like YouTube famous too, that we do chicks. So we had a good amount of resources. But my dad back to the physics majors situation, he would analyze the hell out of every single trick. So like any time I'd do something, he'd be like, OK, so like try to do this instead of that because like gravity and like your momentum, like like I don't know what momentum is, Dad.


Like, I don't know what I'm doing.


I'm giving you a little physics lessons on the side to be like this is why you should hold your board this way, turn that way.


But like sometimes you'd be completely wrong, like when it would snow and the snow, it's like really heavy. He thought like I needed to put my weight forward because, like, that's how I get speed and physics. But really, I needed to lean on my back foot. So I would like flow on top of the snow and not like dig in and fall. It's like they're like funny mistakes he'd make. They way like it just didn't make sense to him.


But because of his engineering background and like we saw tricks out really possible to do on a snowboard through other people, it was like a really good combination. Like he definitely helped me out a lot.


Yeah. It sounds like he's one of the biggest players in your career, which is so special. At what point did Dad say, OK, I'm good at physics, but I might not really know snowboarding and you need a real coach if she wants to make it to the next level? Yeah.


So I had like a few coaches here and there, like I had a coach briefly when I was like eight when I was like in Switzerland. I joined like the Swiss team. Yeah.


I like had a good amount of coaches, but my dad was honestly like my biggest coach. I genuinely trusted everything he said and really valued his opinion on a lot of things. And so when I came to like trust and confidence, it was like all him. He was my favorite coach and the best coach I could have. And so he honestly taught me most of my tricks up until. I was like 13 and then when I was like 13 and I was like doing bigger things and like more rotations and more flips, you kind of decided to take a step back because when I was like 12, 13, I started going higher in the air.


And I think at that moment he was like, this fall is going to hurt a lot more. So if I say something wrong, like, I could honestly jeopardize her possible career. So he kind of like took a step back and let coaches handle it when I was like 12. Yeah, that makes sense.


He's probably so proud of you, but also half the time terrified when you're in the air, like, does he get nervous when you're competing? I don't know if he gets nervous. I know there's like a viral picture of him at the bottom of the Olympic hype, like during my runs, he's just double fisting because I think I need to meet your dad.


He sounds awesome. Yeah, no, like he seems really chill. My mom's one gets so nervous, like she's like frozen. Well, I'm competing like she can't move. She can't breathe. Like, it's insane.


I feel like that the combination of the two, because you seem very chill when you're competing.


Yeah, I'm pretty laid back. I don't know how I'm going to be now, though. Like, I'm kind of scared to, like, affect the contest. But we'll see because you have been competing for a while. Yeah, I haven't been snowboarding for a while. Yeah, it's insane. But I honestly think it's all muscle memory. I'm not distressed about it. I agree. I think that you'll be just fine, trust me, from somebody who has been out of sports for long stretches of time because of injury.


Like it comes back pretty quickly in terms of like the technical aspect of it. So I think it'll be fun. That's such a relief. Yeah, for sure. So, OK, so you go to Geneva, you learn French, you become really good at snowboarding and you turn professional at twelve. Right. So I mean, as a soccer player and a lot of other athletes, becoming a professional doesn't happen until you're into your twenties. What went into that decision to turn pro.




I mean, I guess what is the definition of pro? You know, like there's so many different definitions of pro. I don't really know what pro is, but for me personally, it was just like the moment I start going to bigger contests and like getting invited to bigger contests and getting sponsored and getting paid by sponsors. But if I went by that definition, then that would have been when I was like twelve. And so I found this out a little later.


But I think my parents had a discussion kind of talking about it, because, like I said, we didn't have, like, all the money in the world and they didn't. So they couldn't just give it all to me and my sport.


Yeah, and snowboarding is expensive. Yeah. So I travel all the travel, all the lodging, like it's insane.


And we like moved multiple times and like all of that just to support what I love to do and what I was good at. But I guess when I was like ten, eleven, like when things started to get a little more serious to the point where I was doing really well and like better than a lot of other kids, my dad was like, I can't support her forever. Like if she is like, you know, if she gets stuck at the junior level and isn't able to make any money or anything, then like we can't support her because it's just like impossible for us in our situation.


So they didn't tell me any of this given, because when I'm thirteen, I don't understand what this means. So I guess they agreed that if I wasn't like, how do you mean? Or like doing well in big contest. But by the time I was thirteen, then they would have to cut it. Like realistically it just wasn't possible. Which is so funny because right when I turned thirteen I started podium and every single contest you just knew there's something inside of you.


I did. I guess I did. But like from the time I was 11 to 12, I just like progressed so much like it was insane, like so much change it in my writing and I learned so many new tricks. And then when I was 13, I was like, would win this big contest or would get second at this big contest, would get silver at the X Games like would get bronze here at the US Open, like all of these crazy things.


So insane at such a young age. Insane. Then when I was thirteen at the end of that season, I got an awesome contrives from Monster and like I got like a good amount of money for a thirteen year old. And that was just like crazy because with that I was able to like, pay for all my travel, like all my food, like everything I needed for multiple seasons. And like, that was just awesome. And then when I was fourteen, I started like winning contests.


So it honestly changed so fast by the time like 11 to 12. And from there on, it was just like insane.


Yeah. So what do you think caused the change, like what happened in the years of your life, 11 and 12, or was it just like you had been doing it long enough that it had become natural and like your full potential was starting to be realized?


I don't know. I don't know what I did differently. I didn't grow a lot like I did in a bunch of weight to like where I had more speed. I don't know what happened. It was like when I was eleven, I was going like three feet out of the halfpipe. And when I was twelve, I was going like ten feet out of the halfpipe, like, it was like insane. And then. When I was 13, I was going like consistent like 10 to 13 feet out, like it was like a really big jump.


What is normal at that age for, like, the height to get out of a. But what were other people your age doing?


I mean, like if you look at other people that age now, like 11, 12, they're like probably going like a foot or two out, like it's a you were just you were like years beyond where you are.


Yeah. Like, I honestly might have been better than I am now. Like I just had this crazy peak moment and like there when I was like 13, I learned like a bunch of big girl's tricks. I was doing like nine hundred. So I became the youngest woman to do a nine hundred. And then like when I was 14, I learned Tannadice, which is something that all the girls were winning with, and now I was starting to do it.


So when I put it together and runs, I was able to win contests with that. And then when I was 15, I learned like the cab tornadoes and then I did them back to back. So that's why I started winning contests with that, too, because I was the first woman to do back to back tornadoes. It was just like since I was 12, I just kept progressing so fast, was learning so many tricks and was really like improving that.


I don't know. I don't know if I can get back to that.


Oh, come on. You're going to be fine up here at this point. Yeah, no, I mean, like that learning like the thing that was like so insane, I just genuinely don't think is possible for anyone to do that. Like, I don't know how I did it.


Yeah. So at what point do you think you realized that you had the it factor that like I could be an Olympic gold medalist. Was it before the progression started, was it during, was it once you started podium ing.


This is like something I kind of left out my body, but while I was in Switzerland we were at a mountain and I was like ten.


At this point I think I was like nine or ten. And we saw this girl snowboarding in the halfpipe and she was like, really good. And so we like went down and talked to her coach while she was writing. And the coach is like, yeah, like she's an Olympian. And my dad was like, really the my dad was like, OK, she's really good. But I could be like my daughter getting to that point and no time like I think it's possible for her.


I think that's kind of when the dream started to become almost realistic for him. It was just like something he really he loved the idea of it and he thought it was actually possible. So she really like inspired this, like, Olympic journey because it didn't seem unattainable at that time. So then like, it was it.


Do you remember who it was? I don't remember the name. She was a Japanese snowboarder.


Yeah. But the thing about that story are like the stories that you had probably never seen an Olympic snowboarder before in real life, maybe not even on television, you know, and to be able to see that. And then your dad had this realization and you were able to see it. Yeah. I mean, obviously would be cool if you remembered. But the fact was, like, you saw an Olympic snowboarder and you're like, oh, I want to do that.


Yeah. Yeah. It's just crazy how that works. Right. So then like that was a really big eye opener for me and my dad. And when I was thirteen, I qualified for the Olympic team technically, but I was too young to go. And I think from there and I was like, oh my God, I was able to compete. And I'm like, kind of just for fun. And I was like, yeah, it would be funny if you, like, made the team and like, couldn't go.


Right, because, like, that's funny. There's no it's going to happen. But literally it happened and I think I had second and third. I like the last two qualifiers and I podium that the other ones.


So explain as people listening to understand you're thirteen, you make Team USA. What does that even mean to make Team USA? Because is it selected by a coach? Is it based on your performances in different events and how you rank? Give us that info.


I always assume everyone knows what my sport is.


I've and so the way we qualify for the Olympics is we have qualification events and we have four to five the season before. And so they will take like the top four riders, like the top four people did the best at those contests, like they'll be the ones that are able to go. And so when I say, like, I qualified for the team, it meant that I was one of those four people who did really well. All the contests and each contest, depending on what place you get, you get like X amount of points.


So at the end of all the contests, like round up all those scores and the people with the highest would be able to go. So I landed like second or third on that list when I was 13. My parents are like, that's really funny.


Like what? Yeah. And what did that feel like? Like you. Because and then for people listening, like you said, you were too young, you couldn't even go compete even though you had earned a spot on that team, you couldn't go compete in the Olympics. So what was that like? Were you bummed or were you just like more pumped that you had made it?


The one thing I miss from that time my career was I think I wasn't bummed because, like, I. Understood the you know, the rules and stuff like that, it is what it is. I already knew that that was going to be the case going into it. But I think when I actually qualified, I was bummed because I think when I first started and I first started getting on podiums and stuff that's like such an awesome time and in anyone's career, because there's no pressure on you to do well, you don't like have to consistently, like, keep doing well, I guess, like, please others in a sense.


Not really. Please others. But just like you have that reputation and I have that reputation of winning everything.


There's no expectations when you have that, like no one cares no matter what you do. Everyone's like, I hate this.


So I was like, I would have been so cool to go because I think that's what I did so well to a contest back then when I should have been nervous was I was like, I'm a baby compared to everyone else. I have so much more time to learn. Like, every contest is a great experience for me and I'm learning and no one expects me to do well. Everyone kind of expects me to do poorly because I'm a baby. So, like, that's cool.


Like being the underdog is cool. So I was like dying. I would have been cool to, like, go and like, hang out. I was almost trying to see if they take me with them just so I can, like, experience it. But that happened. Yeah, for sure. Did you end up watching the Olympics? I did, yeah. And it was. I know that one was rough for my sport. I remember watching them like hose the half pipe down with water, trying to get it to freeze because they're really struggling.


When my friends got injured on that trip, so I was like, it's cool that I didn't go.


As I say, it might have been what was meant to be for you.


Also, I was 13. I feel like I would have just bounced back like now if I fall like I heard. But like back then, I could walk it off and go back up and try it again. I miss it.


Getting old isn't in terms of body. It really isn't I. Oh my gosh. I don't even want to get into it, but I just turned 20 and I just like thinking about when I was like 12 and 13, like just chilling living my best life.


It's very different. It is. But I don't know. I think like when I was 14, I started like winning contests. And that's kind of when those expectations to build the pressure started to build was like signing with bigger sponsors. And like that's when I really felt pressure. And like then we found out that the Olympics were going to be in Korea for sure. That was like crazy because like, my parents immigrated from South Korea, like that was going to be a first Olympics.


And it honestly fit the story so well. Yeah, like the perfect storm I know you have such like.


Yeah, it's such a special story. It was so many aspects that just come together beautifully, but so. OK, so you qualify for Team USA, you're too young, you're bummed, but you're not that bummed. And fast forward twenty, fifteen, twenty sixteen x games. You win gold at the next two X games, the Kelly Clark, which was she's obviously legend and the snowboarding world. But you're only 15 at the time, 15 and 16 like you talked about having no pressure when you were younger.


You know, no expectations. Is this when you started to feel pressure and have expectations on yourself? Are you still at this point like, oh, I'm just having fun and going to go out and do my thing?


I think that was kind of the point where I started to feel pressure because Kelly still is a queen, but like back then was like the snowboarding, like unbeatable. She won like eighteen contests undefeated or something crazy like that. And at all our contest after that X Games, it was always a back and forth between me and her, and then I learned the captain and then it started to become like I was able to win more frequently than before. I started to feel a lot of pressure and like really like stressed out.


I was like really stressed out. I don't know why, but I also think during that period of time, you kind of learning a lot about yourself, you know, like teen or teenage years, like I was.


What did it day to day life look like for you? Because you're a teenager, you know, you still have school, which you obviously it's very important to you. You're now in Princeton, but you're also a professional athlete traveling the world, trying to win contests and thinking about the Olympics. So what did a day in a life look like? Yeah, so normally my freshman and sophomore year of high school, I had just started homeschooling. So I was like really, really new to it.


And I was trying to balance like snowboarding, like with school, which is almost impossible if you think about the travel and all the work that needs to be done. So I did really bad my first two years of high school. That's just straight up. I had no idea what I was doing. But then towards the end of my sophomore year in like my junior and senior year, I was able to figure it out a little more. So my sophomore year before I went on a trip, I did all the work I had to do on that trip beforehand so I could just not think about it.


And then my junior my senior year I did both years in one year. So I did. Yeah.


So so I did basically all of it during the summer or like kind of during the fall right before a season. I tried to be done because the Olympics fell on my senior year and I was about to ask about that.


Yeah. That was on purpose. So you wanted full focus on the Olympics, you wanted to be done with school, but yeah, I wanted to be done.


It was so stressful. Like there was so much work to do. So much. Yeah. OK, well, I don't wanna stress you out about, you know, I'm getting hot here with chemistry, but no, I have to be able to balance that.


Like that's not that's not an easy task and be the best at the world. And then also, again, do very well in school. Like, it's pretty incredible. But I want to get into this. Ten, eighty. So one, can you explain to people what a ten years. Ten eighty is like three full spins. I know. Like the math doesn't add up but in halfpipe it kind of happens because we technically take off at a 90 degree angle.


So we already gain some as we're spinning. So that's like a thing. So I learned a normal ten, eighty normal friends 1980 when I was 14 and it was like, no, I was super excited about it. Yeah.


And then when I was 15 I was like it'd be really cool to do it the other way because I don't, it hadn't been done before by a woman says I quit so I tried it and that one was really hard to learn. I took some good falls on that, but eventually I got it figured out. And then that's when the back to back ten babies are born. But it's a lot of spinning.


Yeah. So when you're trying to learn this track, are you doing it on land first, like into a foam pit or are you just like, oh, I'm going to go out and try to bust us out on this rock.


Yeah. No, it's good to you. Just go do it. Yeah. What. OK, so you kind of like build your way up. Like I'm not like I can't have you go do a 180. Yeah. But like I mean we can try. I'm sure you do. Your athleticism will definitely be on your side. I do not think so, but appreciate the support. Yeah.


So for me like the most important thing was making sure I had this been before that unlock which I did when I decided to learn it. So it was like it goes like one eighty three. Sixty five forty seven twenty nine hundred, ten eighty. So like you kind of build your way up. So when I had the nine hundred down I was like, I want to try the ten, maybe like take the next step. And so it's just like half a rotation more.


So honestly it wasn't that bad. Also I actually prefer the ten eighty over the nine hundred because I don't land blind so I'm not like. Not facing the wall when I landed, I can see where I'm going to land during the spin, which is really nice to me. So I just felt more comfortable, like learning that one. Now, if I were to learn, like another trick that I wasn't very comfortable with, I'd probably try to do it on land or like visualize and more like do it into an airbag.


Even for that one. I just felt really comfortable.


That's fascinating. So would you say that your preparation for something like a trick is more mental or it's just like, oh, I just need repetition? Like, do you walk yourself through mentally? Like feel yourself doing it before you go?


I'm kind of like crazy, right? Like I'm insane.


So you seem so like you seem so even keel though. That's the thing. So like I know that you have to probably have a couple screws loose to be able to like, fling yourself into the air that high above a very compact piece of large snow. So but it's just funny because you come off as like so chill, but you do have like this thrill seeking the threat in your body.


If I want to do something, I'm going to do it. And that's just always how I've been. Like when I was a baby, I was in E r local because I would always hurt myself from jumping to, like, rolling around. I would always get stuck in the toilet because I'd fall into the toilet while trying to get something that's in the cabinets like I was. I was very adventurous. And that hasn't changed. Like now I understand to not step on the toilet, but like, I seek that thrill in my sport.


Do you think that you kind of seek out adrenaline rushes? Do you think that's part of what separates you from other athletes in the sport? I feel like most snowboarders are like that, but it seems like you're like that from a very young age.


Yeah, I think for what I do like, being fearless is so important because and trusting yourself is so important because the minute you doubt yourself, you're actually going to enjoy yourself. And the minute you start being afraid of what could potentially happen, that's when it's actually going to come true.


So for me, I'm the type of person that's going to sleep in a sketchy airplane because if it goes down in flames, I'd rather be sleep doing it, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just like I understand the consequences of what I'm about to do and like, I know it can potentially happen, but I know I'm going to do it either way. So I might as well just like go full force and do everything I can do to prevent that from happening.


So I think that's a great way to look at it. Yeah. So I'm just like chillin.


So you've obviously taken some pretty big spills. How do you work yourself into trying again after you've hit the snow so hard?


I. I think this story is like a really good example, so I just learned a trick called a front double 10. So it's like two flips that are like caught. So I do I'm basically doing a 180 with, like, flips in it. So I'm getting dizzy just thinking about it.


Yeah, it's not it's honestly not that bad. OK, but a lot of people normally learn into an airbag. But for me, like I'm kind of scared of airbags because I've gotten a lot of concussions from them. So I'd rather just do it on snow honestly, than be out for a week because I hit my head on an airbag just trying something I have to do on snow anyways. So I ended up trying it on snow. But the first one, like, I got scared because I didn't know what I was doing.


So I like I like DECT, which means you kind of go too far out and you hit the coping like the flat part instead of on the transition. So I decked and I flipped a bit my tongue. I thought I was going to die like it wasn't even that bad, but it just hurt so much blood, I'm sure. Yeah, good amount of blood. And I was like, OK, that's stupid. Like, I shouldn't have done that.


I don't know, I for some reason, I was like, I really want to do it, so I'm just going to go back and try it again. So I took a little break, got the blood out of my mouth, drink some water, had a snack same day. So I tried it again, like ten minutes later, one did it and I didn't land it, but I fell straight on my butt from like 30 feet. But I got it around.


And like that in itself was like a huge accomplishment for me. And after slamming over and over and over again, I landed a couple and then I was like, super excited. But I just felt more accomplished, like pushing through that fear instead of being it until I felt comfortable because, like, life is uncomfortable. You're always going to be uncomfortable. And like, I, I love what I do and I know I'm good at it. So if I know that I have to try it eventually, I know I'd rather get the full experience and just go for it, face the fear head on.


I love it. That's awesome. All right. So twenty eighteen Olympics. You're the star, your favorite to win gold. What was your mindset going into the Games?


And like all the expectations people had for you, I was like, well, I'm here, you know, like I made it this far. I thought about it. I definitely am, like, superstitious. Sometimes I go I'm like always sometimes overthinking certain situations because in my opinion back then and so now, I thought it was like too good to be true. Like, the whole thing was like way too good to be true. There's no way I'm going to win the Olympics in Korea my first time.


Like, no, I like my life. Just I don't get that lucky. So there's no way I would get this lucky.


Now, I was there and I was like kind of felt like how I did when I was younger, you know, just like I'm going to do my best and we'll see what happens. But it was just such a crazy experience. Like I'm going to say, I was pretty Nutro with my Olympic experience. It was, what do you mean by that? Like you you looking back, you're like, oh, it was. It was. But it was.


Are you saying, like going into it, you tried to stay neutral, kind of looking back on it only because of a couple of things.


So let's hear it. I was favorite doing and me being Korean American, I had the support of the Koreans. And which is like, awesome. I love that so special, but the problem was and like the Olympic Village is like very, very tight knit and secure, right. Like not a lot of people can get in. There's a lot of strict rules to keep us safe. And, you know, the people who help us out are like the volunteers.


So, you know, Koreans will come and volunteer in the village and like they'll work in the kitchen or like make sure we have what we need or they get the host country puts on the whole.


Exactly. It's like everything. But I kind of had a problem when they would, like, come up to me and, like, ask pictures and stuff while I'm eating or like walk into my room or like coming out of my room, like them being there. And it just kind of got to the point where I was really stressed out, like totally overwhelming, I'm sure, like I was in a new environment, like I'm just trying to hang out.


But there's like people taking pictures of me when, like, I'm just doing, like, normal things and like people following me around and people whispering about me in Korean when I understand Korean. So that gives me more anxiety.


Oh, no. So I was like afraid. And that was like kind of stressful for me. I mean, I completely understand where they're coming from. But I part of me also I kind of wish that they would understand that this is a really, really big moment for me. And like, I was really, you know, really important. It was important to me. So that was that. But there's one instance where the day of my final, like the final contest, the end of the day, I was going to find out if I did well or not, you know, if they had done everything.


Yeah. Like if I ever worked. And so the village was like an hour and a half away from the venue.


So we had to take a bus to get to the venue. And our practice started out like eight or something. So I had to wake up at like six and get breakfast real quick and jump on the bus so we can get there before practice. But it's like seven thirty ideally. So I'm like tired. I couldn't sleep the night before. I was like stressed. So I was like taking a nap on the bus. And one of the volunteers, I felt so bad.


But one of the volunteers like, shook me and woke me up like while I was napping.


And I was like, I don't want to be mean. Like, I'm so sorry, but like, I need to take a nap, like I'm tired.


She shook you because she wanted a picture. What did she want? He wanted a picture like autograph, like a bus. Now while we were moving.


And I was like, oh, my God. And like normally like if I like coach or anyone wasn't around, I thought I go to been OK, but like my coach saw and obviously he's pissed because, like, you know, this is a major sleep.


Yeah. This is like important for me, but also like the team.


And so he's like it was like this whole thing, but it was just like things like that that would happen. But the other thing too, was I was so overwhelmed the whole time. Like, I was just so stressed out because I feel like everyone there is like really tense and like stress too. So you take a bunch of people who are all stressed and put them in one like space, like that's just not productive.


Like, no, it's a it's a lot of stressful energy in a confined area. It's just bouncing off the walls.


So everyone's just stressed. And then there's like media days in the village. So like the media is talking to, like all these other stressed people. And I'm getting asked about these really dumb questions, like about the village, like you probably like welcome to professional sports.


Oh, my God. I was like walking to my apartment and someone one of the media, they asked me, they were like like sucking a cat out of this, like, inappropriate. But like, this story will let you if you don't want to talk, you can just tell, you know, Chigas, is it you that, like, you guys are having a bunch of orgies in the Olympic village?


That's the question everyone always asks. Like every Olympics. It's like, is it always that everyone always talks about that? In my first Olympics, I was like, because for soccer we don't stay in the village until the final, typically, unless you, like, play at that venue. But we play all over the host country. So you hear all these stories and then we go on to the village and I was like, people make these stories up and they like their imaginations, run wild.


It's like what happens in the village. And like when you're done playing or competing, it is a party. But at least if you want it to be and. But you're eighteen getting asked this question. Yeah, I know. I was 17 at the time. I was like, so what do you say?


I was like, I don't know. Like I was like, I don't think so, you poor thing.


I don't know. It's like I saw. So did you not realize that that's what it was going to be like? See, here's the thing.


I think a lot of people prepared me for it because I have friends that like one and I had friends that, like, got the full experience, too, and they're like, you know, prepped me for it. But I don't think their experience was like at the country of, like their parents, like, totally like it was a completely different, different narrative. Yeah. And so I kind of went in with these expectations just so naive. And then all of a sudden I get there and it just blows up in my face when you got OK, so that's like regroup to like map out a schedule, like figure it out.




So what did you do to try to handle like all that stress and being overwhelmed and feeling like you had no privacy. And we're constantly being bombarded by people that should have just been there to like help out.


Essentially, Kelly, my room had heated floors, so did you lie on it?


So I literally open the window. It was like negative ten degrees every day.


Open the window would just sleep on my heated floor, just a calming, but it was like the best like honestly like the outdoors outside of my room, which was scary, like in my room I was like, stoked I would watch Netflix because, like, the Netflix in Korea was like fire. I was just watching Netflix catching up on seasons that didn't exist in the US. I was just like having a grand old time and then, like, I have to go practice.


Yeah, because that's important, I guess.


Yeah. But when that wasn't the case, I'd go straight back to my room and just hang out. So you hold up. Yeah, but it was a good experience. I feel like there were definitely some curveballs down my way, but other than that it was cool and then the aftermath was insane.


Yeah. No. Well before we get to the aftermath, I want to talk about what led to the aftermath, which was your performance in the halfpipe you won before you were even done. You basically got a victory lap on the halfpipe, which not every person gets to do. So and you famously tweeted right before your final run, which everyone loved to talk about and I thought was so funny. And I remember watching watching you compete. And it was you were just like, so you're electric when you're like when you're out there performing.


It's incredible. So you were overwhelmed, but you show up for finals day, you cross your first run, you go into your second run knowing you're going to win an Olympic gold medal. How do you feel at that point? You know, I said like, it was pretty hectic, like outside like at the village and stuff and just life. When I wasn't in my room, the other place I was, my comfort zone was, you know, the halfpipe because I knew and like, I felt safe there.


And it was only people I knew that were in that area. And so for me, like, I was like stoked to be there.


And when, you know, it was like great conditions, the pipe was perfect, like it was probably the best halfpipe I've read until now, like, honestly. And so when I was like competing, you know, you're kind of at the point where you're like, all right, I'm here, you know, here we are, whatever. Let's do our best. Like, it is what it is. Type deal. I landed my first run.


It's like, cool. That's like a good start. I have a solid score on the board right now that hopefully this means I get a medal at least. Yeah. So he's normally like when you have like a ninety ish like it usually means you're going to end up on the podium unless like some craziness happens where everyone's getting niños, which does happen a lot too. But a lot of times if you get an idea like pretty, you can be confident about it.


And then I was like, all right, so the first run on us is like something I call safety around. So it's a run that I'm really comfortable doing that score as well. And so I was stoked. I landed that and then my second and I was like, I'm going to try to do the back to back tornadoes because that's like my harder run that I have planned for most contests. Yeah, try to my second run fell over, whatever.


But then I noticed that I didn't really like, look at the scores. I like how I was doing good. I didn't want to look at that like I'm scared. So that's why I ended up tweeting because I just didn't want to like look at how I was doing.


No way. I'm not going to like here's the thing. What if I kept looking at it and then I got bumped down to like Fifth as one of those days I'm going to be stressed. So I'm like, I can't even go home with the metal. Like, that's crazy. So if I keep looking at it, I'm just going to get anxiety. Yeah. Like, I didn't look, I was just on Twitter looking at me.


So the Twitter was to keep you from freaking out. We're a lot of people would think that Twitter, like, breaks your focus, but that was the opposite for you. You were looking for something to take your mind off it.


Yeah, like I was just like on my phone, just like hanging out, tweeting, like talking about my feelings because, you know, Twitter is like tweet, tweet your feeling or something or how you feel today. I was like, well, thank you for asking.


I'm like hungry. Yeah. And I don't I just didn't expect that to happen.


Also, I hadn't really used Twitter before, so it's like really new to it. And I was like very excited and I was like tweeting like talking about my feelings.


I was like texting my friends, like calling my mom who has at the bottom of the pipe, like about to cry because she's like, so nervous. And she was like, my mom told me she couldn't talk to me anymore because she was too nervous. I was like, I'm the one competing. Why are you more nervous? Like, talk to me?


But yeah, it was a vibe.


So for the four people who are listening that don't maybe know how it works, you get three runs or four runs, we get three. Yeah. So you had, like, your safety run, you fell on your second run. But going into your third, did you know that you won gold already or had you locked did you take a peek?


There's like the athlete ten and then there's like little computers that are at the end of the that just tell you the score. It's like no video, no nothing. It's just the scores that was like on. Other side, and it was a cold, so I was like, no, I'm just going to hang up at the heaters. A lot of the coaches are standing up front trying to look at the scores and see how their athletes are doing.


I was like, whatever. And then it was like my turn. Like there's people that come in and grab you, like rally the next three people. Like someone came and grabbed me and I was like, okay, cool. Right? When you're about to go into the other tent where like the start gate, essentially there's like a screen and it's like a live feed of the contest and like the rankings.


And I was like, oh, I am so white. So then I was like, right, cool.


Like, that's dope. And then there were like three girls in front of me. So at that point I'm like kind of holding my breath. Yeah. I'm like, come on. Yeah. You can make this really chill for me, like, really hard for me.


So so then I go and then like it was like stone for stone for stone first and then the girl that went right before me like fell on my last hit and I was like. Oh, OK, like I won, like what? So I'm like holding tears back in my goggles, like before I'm going to go down to run. Wow.


But it was just like it was such a crazy moment, I think like because I think I the whole time I just thought of it slightly jokingly because I was just thinking about how hard I worked for this one contest. And it kind of made me realize that, like, yes, that's important. But also it's really dumb at the same time. Like Batia. Yeah. Like, I need to think big picture, like I need to enjoy every moment, moment of my life instead of dedicating every important moment of my life to another moment in time.


So true, so that was just like funny to me, because I think I really realized that when I got there, because I just got something completely different than what I was anticipating for sure when I got there. And I was like, so stoked and like, tears are just sweating my eyes. And I was like, I know. Like, I got to try this because, like, that's no fun. Like, I only get this platform once, you know, or more than once.


But I got to wait for more years to get it again.


So I went and landed it. And then I became the first woman to do back to back tornadoes at the Olympics. And then I was the youngest female snowboarder to win the Olympics. And crazy.


I just incredible. Do you think that knowing that you had already won gold made you go for the back to back tonight, or do you think you would have done it regardless?


I would have done it regardless. I always do a safety run, so the first thing I do is always just like something easy that I know I'm going to land like 90 percent of the time. And then I have like a always like a fun run lined up that I like to try. That's always more intense and more difficult, but yeah, that's awesome.


OK, so aftermath of the Olympics. You said it was crazy. You're still stressed over it.


I mean, I have nightmares about it. Why? What happened?


Picture this. You get your medal is stoked. You have like a cute little word.


Oh, yeah, the little like prize they give, yeah, the little thing, so it's the the whatever the little mascot is, this sarong or something or and you know, they play the national anthem, a lot of cameras, a lot of yelling like everyone chanting USA, USA, awesome stuff. Like Best Moment. And then I see my family like for like 30 seconds because everyone's pulling you in different directions. Yeah. See my family briefly and my mom's like crying, my sister's crying, everyone's crying and I'm crying and I'm like so happy.


And then after the cute little ceremony. My family and I go to doping and they watch for people who don't know doping is where you get tested, tested illegal substances, which. Yeah, so you have a process, right? You have someone, like, staring at your area, which is like really, really disturbing.


Was that your first time being part of doping? I done it before. The first time, though, it took me seven hours to these were my house for seven hours. I need to drink water. I was nervous like I was shy.


I was 13.


I shot her 13 year hard.


Now I'm like, now I let it loose. I don't like normal doping with your family, but this doping situation in particular, there were like hundreds of people chasing my family and I to doping. So it's all like photographers, people bumping into one another. I have like six security guards like surrounding me, like keeping me protected like everyone. The things moving fast, like I'm like getting kind of like overwhelmed and like anxious and claustrophobic while everyone's, like, really excited for me.


And, like, happy is like a lot of emotion. So we get into doping and I p I'm like really happy and like send everything away. And I just sit there for like 20 minutes because I know as soon as I go outside it's going to be really crazy again. So I'm just sitting there catching up with my family and talking about like how cool I was and how fun that is and how we did it and all of that. And I go outside and it's just like people chasing me.


And honestly, I don't remember what happens next because it was just like so overwhelming, like, you know how it is.


Like everyone's just screaming your name, everyone's running after you like grabbing you like pulling you left and right, like you're just looking for a familiar face to go and hang out with because you're just scared. And from there on it was crazy. Like I had to go back to my village and like pack everything in my room, which was a lot of stuff because, you know, they give you so much stuff for the Olympics. So I had to pack all of that, like my snowboard, like everything like and go to the other village to do all the press stuff.


And then, like, I had to change outfits for, like, the podium later that night and they bring all of that stuff. My mom had to help me pack everything. I definitely lost a few bags on the way because it was just like so much was happening. And then we got to our boards and I was just doing interviews till like 3:00 in the morning. It was insane. So looking at the next Olympics, are you? Wanting to win because you know that all of that comes with it, or you kind of like, I don't need to do that again.


I would love to win again. I think I'm going to be better at hiding, because I think, like now I know what it could potentially be like because I think I had like the worst case scenario, like the craziest scenario possible.


I think I got it my first time for sure. Don't expect that to happen every single time. So I think that's a good thing because I got that out of the way. And now hopefully it'll be like a chill experience from here on out.


Yeah, but honestly, I always feel like I say, oh, my God, that was so crazy. Like, oh my gosh, I don't know if I can do that again. This is really cool, just like getting everyone's support and like everyone was so stoked for me and having, like, my family there, my grandma watched me compete for the first time, like just like things like that that I thought were really special or happened at that moment in time.


So, you know, it was a really special those moments. It is special. But people don't realize, like, I was hyped and excited as you are. There's so many other emotions going on inside of you and around you that make it a very unique and different experience that no one would. You don't know until you're in it.


Yeah, I think what I took away from it, it's more like you work for something so hard, like it's something that you're told to do. Well, I like you want to win the Olympics ideally. Like, that's something I was told by everyone, really. And then it happens and then you're, like, stoked to happen. But then you're doing all of these other things. I didn't really see my family to like two days after I won because of all the stuff I was doing.


So in a sense, it's kind of sad because you can't celebrate that really special moment with the people you love. Instead, you doing what everyone else kind of wants you to do and need you to do at the moment.


So it's so true. Speaking of spending time and celebrate with your family, what did your gold medal mean to your dad who was so happy?


He called me his American dream.


Oh, I'm going to cry. That is the sweetest thing. That's I mean, it's true. That's like think about it. Yeah, I've been everything about your story is just amazing how the stars aligned. I know. Like, my dad was like I think he was just so proud and a sense of himself to my dad sacrificed so much like he went bankrupt multiple times. We had to sell houses like get rid of houses, move multiple times because like what I was doing was so expensive.


But he wanted me to do what I loved. And like I saw that I was passionate about something which was really important to him. And he was full on willing to support my something that I loved and like just seeing and knowing that that all paid off for him. I'm sure it was just insane. And he's just so grateful. He was he did that and happy he did it because there were so many times where we had doubts, like even I had doubts.


Like, I don't know if I can do this. Like, this is so hard. Like I'm tired. I miss my mom, I miss my friends.


But then it all paid off. Did it all worked up, which is pretty incredible. So you have the overwhelming aftermath. You come back to the states and but you still chose to compete following the Olympics. Did you take some time off? Did you have the post Olympic depression or are you really excited to be done with it and actually felt energized afterwards? I was really excited to get back to it because there was so much stuff. The other thing is the year before the Olympics, I didn't really push myself.


So when I was 16, I didn't push myself because I want to stick with what I knew just so I could not get injured. And so I really wanted to do a lot of things, but I stop myself from doing them just to be like smart. Like I didn't need to be doing risky things when I didn't necessarily need to and no one was doing anything. So when I was done, I was like, nice. So now if I get hurt, I got four years to show, like, I can recover in four years.


So I went straight back into it, like tried to learn a bunch of tricks. And then, yeah, I was like, I just love to be back.


So post Olympics, like you said, you you were excited because you kind of like chilled going into the Olympics not to get hurt, do anything crazy so that you could perform like you wanted to. But then after the Olympics, you're the first woman to land. And I can't even repeat it because there's so many numbers and words in it, a trick that no other woman had landed yet. So, yes, how did that happen? So I was the first woman to land a French double ten.


And that was a track I was talking about earlier, like in Switzerland.


But it's kind of like a trick that a lot of the guys, like all guys, do it and just don't really see a lot of women doing it. And so I was really comfortable with the setup trick. That's like the one before. So I was doing a Crippler seven, which is like the single version of it. And I was like, I really want to try this. So I went and tried it without an airbag and like fell on my head and I was like, oh my gosh, scary.


And then I went back and tried it again and I got it around and after. Two days I was able to land them. That's insane. So it's a type of thing where you see a trick or you're like, oh, I haven't tried that yet and I think I can do it. I'm going to try it.


Yeah, like, I have a lot of tricks like that lined up in my head right now that I was so excited to go try. So I just need snow and open resorts.


That's awesome. You still have that love even after going through the craziness that was the Olympics. And it is cool that you had the ability to start, you know, focus on the next four years. Yeah, but since then, you've now you're going to Princeton, you're enrolled. You went you got in. You went in last year. Freshman year, last year. How is that transition to college?


I guess I didn't necessarily lie about loving snowboarding as much as I did when I came back, but it was more so it was just it was getting really repetitive for me, just like competing, traveling the same people all the time. Like no new faces, nothing. And mind you, like the people I was surrounding myself with, I knew since I was like a child like seven, we all grew up together. We all competed against each other at a young age, though, like everyone I knew, I knew for a long time.


And I just felt I was getting nervous. In a sense, I thought I needed to experience more and I really wanted to experience school. And I got into like a really great school. And I just thought that would be a perfect opportunity because I also had broken my ankle the season after the Olympics. I was like, I'm going to let this year while I go to school like it be really good experience for me to change this, change it up a bit different scenery, meet new people with different backgrounds and life experiences.


I think I could learn a lot and I did. I have like so many amazing new friends. My best friend right now is from Alabama and she has owned a cow farm. So yeah, like she's always going to cow sales. And it's just like I can't find that in snowboarding. I can't find someone from Alabama that has a cow farm and like five cows. I've never heard of that before. Or I'll just like meet a bunch of people from different backgrounds with different places that I didn't even know of.


And it's just really, really like now I'm really grateful and happy I did that for sure. That's awesome. That's something you should be very proud of because Princeton's not a bad school to go to. Are you going to compete while you're in school or are you just going to for four years going to focus? Are you going to try to split it up? What's your plan?


So I actually just did it for a year. I got a leave of absence, so I will be able to compete fully. That's coming, hopefully, if it happens. If covid isn't around anymore, I hope not. But if you know it happens and I'll be able to compete full time, I'll be able to you know, right now I'm working on like Jaylon training, getting my body back into snowboarding shape after that freshman fifteen.


But yeah, I'm just, you know, really excited to get back. And I think the break was really good because I'm super excited to get back in contests and start competing again and seeing everyone again. I just think I've kind of bought for a bit, just like I needed to switch it up for sure. I think that happens to most people and I think it's very mature of you for being able to recognize that and find a way to revitalize yourself and be excited about it, because you obviously, I assume, want to go and do many more things in snowboarding.


But that leads us to our last couple of questions. So we do these repeat questions for everybody. So there's two. So the first one is how much of your success is luck versus hard work?


I think that there are certain things that. I consider luck, it's weather and my sport, it's weather and conditions. Honestly, everything else that comes with it comes is like hard work, like I even if it's snowing out and windy, I need to work hard in those conditions just in case there's a contest that are going to be under those conditions. I need to know how to do that. And learning how to do that is not easy and it's a lot of hard work.


But then I guess there is like like sometimes I get really lucky when I don't fall, when I definitely should have fallen further out of it.


All right. So percentage what would you say?


I would say like. Can I say like thirty five percent, like sixty five percent hard work, OK, cool. All right. You've done so much in your first twenty years. What do the next twenty look like?


I want a family. I like that. That's awesome, and I would love to be like a young mom, like not now but like like ideally like within the next ten years, like, I would love to, like, start a family because I would be so fun.


But then again, who knows, maybe I'll be like a professional snowboarder till I'm like 40. Like, who knows? I don't know what's going to happen. So that's also where luck comes in places like which way will my life, you know, decide to go really excited. But in 20 years, I'm going to be 40, like I make fun of my sister for being thirty five. And like the thought of me being 40. So scary because I'm used to being the baby.




You'll still be the baby at 40, but everyone else just be much older. There's just more there's going to be more babies you know. That is true. That is true. You will no longer be the actual baby.


Well whatever your next 20 years look like, it sounds like they're going to be pretty awesome. And you've done so much already. So you should be very proud of yourself. And I'm excited to watch it because I've already enjoyed what you've done so far. And again, feel like you're going to do so much more.


So sweet. Well, thank you so much. This is awesome. I hope you enjoyed it. I really enjoyed chatting with you today so far.


Thanks for having me. Of course, you'll have to come out to a game I want to play.


I'll message you after this. I would love to. Definitely. Yeah. And then we can go snowboarding sometime in the future.


Oh my gosh. Any time you just let me know. I'm happy to take you. I love snowboarding.


You don't understand. Like, I'm. I can't wait. I mean, I can wait till I retired from soccer, but I can't wait to retire because I'm so bored.


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