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I'm thinking it's idiotic to buy Twitter because he doesn't have a fingertips feel for social, emotional networks.

The book launched a thousand hot takes, so I sat down with Isaacson to try to get past the noise.

I like the fact that people who say, I'm not as tough on Musk as I should be, are always using anecdotes from my book to show why we should be tough on Musk.

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Look.

Man. Oh, I see you. Oh, wow. Bowen, look over there.

Wow.

Is that a culture?

Yes.

Goodness.

Wow..

Ding-ding. Las Cultaristas calling. I mean, this is, I guess, going to be the final of the year, our top 10 series. This has been, I think, the best thing we've ever done.

If I was to rank our top 10 things we've ever done, this would be number one. We're nowhere near doing that. We are not about to self-aggrandize anytime soon, maybe at the 10-year anniversary we might, but we'll see.

Honestly, at the 10-year anniversary, take a look for 1,000 best moments of Lost Coach. It will be a 10-episode series, 1,000 moments of Lost Coach that you heard to hear first.

That's terrifying. Oh, my God. Nobody wants that. It's not even us.

That would be the most snake-eating-its-own-tail bullshit ever in podcasting history, and now we have to do it.

And I think we will.

We'll call it a thousand. A thousand moments of Lost Coach, and we rank the top 1,000 moments of the podcast.

Yes. Oh, I'm so sorry. It could be legendary. It could be legendary, but not as legendary as any of these moments on this list of top 10s. And what is this list of top 10s, Matt?

Well, this is the top 10 Diva moments. Now you'll notice that Diva moments is different than Divas because we feel that that will be too easy. No, we as witnesses, thank you, Seth Myers, for really aptly labeling us, we as witnesses, we are witnesses to the culture. We look at the minuteia. We look at the moments and the elements that make up an icon, a Diva, a legend. And these are top 10 moments of just that.

Now let's get started, shall we? Unless you have anything to say to preface with what makes a diva, what makes a moment. Not that our listeners need any definition, but go.

What makes a Diva, I believe, is someone who bravely and boldly veers off the path, and yet we didn't know that actually was the correct way to go. That's the path. For example, on a highway, you certainly have one way of driving down the highway. We are headed one way. If Christina Aguilaro were to say, Hold on, I'm going to start to drive the other direction on the highway, she would be number one on this list. She hasn't done that yet. I'm not necessarily saying she should. But if Christina Aguilero were to drive the reverse direction on the highway, that would be a Diva moment.

That would be the Diva moment. You're so right. That would shoot straight to the top. We would go, I mean, that is in essence what all of these moments we're about to unfurl are doing. It's people who decided, I'm going to drive and reverse on the fucking freeway.

Of life. Yeah, the cultural freeway. These Divas drove in the wrong direction on the cultural freeway. And thank fucking God, because now we have an episode.

Thank fucking God.

So Bo, should we start at number 10 and go all the way down to one because that's the most exciting way to.

Do it? I think so. Let's start. Number 10 of the top 10, Diva moments, lost Colch. Number 10. I thought I.

Didn't.

Do a ho-down.

Ashley Simpson.

This is a moment of shame for this person, but I put this here because I think it's an important framework for what we expect of our divas going forward. Because she was really the sacrificial lamb in a lot of ways. Because now it's like, well, everyone's lip-syncing. I mean, we're recording this around Thanksgiving. Everyone at the Thanksgiving Day parade since time immemorial for decades. I was watching Vanessa Williams singing something in the '80s or '90s, and I was like, She's lip-syncing? Everyone has done it. And it took Ashley Simpson to do it on SNL for us to pillory her.

If you're going to flop, flop spectacular. Yes. And... That's what I would say, is that I was actually watching live.

-me too. -i was watching live.

Almost every gay person was watching live this moment on television. I think because it speaks to how much we were rooting for Ashley Simpson and how horny we were for Judla, who was probably at the peak of his hottest. I'll never forget the end when he said, live TV. Then she goes, well, my band started playing the wrong song, and so I thought I'd do a ho-down. I was like, wow, she's not only digging in right now, but she's throwing other people under the bus. Diva behavior. Diva. She said, My band started playing the wrong song. The wrong song. Individuals she has to see nearly every day. And she said, This is going to be the way forward. She threw them under the bus spectacularly, flopped so hard, was never the same. But what did she do? She picked up the pieces. She married Diana Ross's son. Because guess what? Game recognizes game.

Diva. Diva gets into the other Diva's orbit.

Everything happens for a reason, Bowen. And I think that had she not done the ho-down and flopped so spectacularly, she wouldn't be part of the dynasty that is Diana Ross. She wouldn't be Ashley Simpson Ross. Everything happens for a reason. Ashley's path led her through the hallowed halls of SNL onto that iconic stage so that she could not sing, blame it on other people, then blame it on Acid Reflux, iconic, and then be a Simpson Ross.

And then end up on this list.

That is why she ranks at number 10, top 10, David moments, the last coach.

Number nine.

I know what I'd be. I know what I'd be.

A.

Whale. A whale.

I love whales.

I love of Wales.

Beyonce. This was Beyonce at her most vulnerable and I would say potentially most relatable, which is not why we love Beyonce, right? We love her because she's not relatable. But this moment where she and Kelly and Michelle are stoned out of their minds talking to an interviewer on camera, beautiful vulnerability.

Yeah, I think that all three of them did amazing work in this interview, but I think that really what we're going to have to remember is that Beyonce, not only did she reveal what animal she would be, which I think would literally never happen now. I think she's really barely even acknowledging her own humanity. She is a goddess, a deity, whatever. She certainly would never be caught dead doing an interview on camera, let alone in a vulnerable high state. But she actually, she nodded to the future in this moment because she said, I would be a whale. I would be the biggest thing you could be in the most vast space. Beyonce was telling us at this moment, I plan to take up a lot.

Of space. Space. And I'd be a whale. And let's give it up. Let's give some props to Michelle Williams because you know what she says right at this moment? Beyonce says, I love whales. Michelle Williams cuts in and goes, She wants to touch one one day.

Which I think is- She wants to touch one day. -touch one day.

So beautiful.

Michelle, thank you. She wants to touch one day. She's sexy. She would be... What does she... Would she be a lion? A cheetah. A panther.

I.

Would be a panther. Yes, because she's sexy.

They were having fun this day. They were having so much fun. It's like, Oh, God, that was a nice time in pop culture.

I just wish that... Because you know they're asked now about that interview and they're like, We were not high. We were not high. It's like, Girls... You'd rather be high than just weird.

Completely. But they can't compromise their Christianity.

I would be a Panther because she is sexy. She wants to touch one one day.

She wants to touch. That might be my favorite part of the whole interview, is Michelle going, she wants to touch one one day.

I know what I'd be. A whale. A whale. I love whale. Can I say if Culture is the ocean, Beyonce is a whale. Absolutely. And that is why Beyonce saying she wanted to be a whale if she could be an animal is number nine on top 10, Diva.

Moments.

Lost culture.

Number 8.

Diva's Live. You can't get better than all the Divas getting together. Of course, it's going to be on the list at number eight, at least.

-at least, I mean, this was pre-Avengers crossover moment. Very much so. It blew your mind to see these people share the stage together.

Yeah. I don't think we'd ever seen anything like the performance at the end of the show when Celine Dion was bravely and boldly going up to Aretha Franklin and trying to out-sing her, which by the way, Mariah has commented on many times since then and said she thought it was extremely disrespectful. And apparently, Patty Lebel reached out to Mariah afterwards. I guess Patty Lebel had been watching at home why she wasn't involved. We'll never know. But she reached out to Mariah and she said, You did the right thing. You don't go up and try to out-sing Aretha. That was crazy.

Well, I think Patty wasn't there because there was the perceived rumored feud between Patty and Aretha, which once Aretha passed, was quickly debunked. Patty put out a statement saying, Aretha and I were always friendly.

Oh, she put out a one-word statement, debunked.

To.

Hear Patty say debunked. And by the way, if you're a Patty fan, stay tuned on this list. Here's what I'll say about Celine challenging Aretha on stage. That is a Christina Aguilar driving the wrong way on the freeway moment, and you need it.

We wouldn't be talking about it if there wasn't a Christina Aguilar driving the wrong way on the freeway moment like that.

Never forget that People Magazine did a cover story about Diva's Live, and they left Gloria Stephan out of it. Gloria Stephan was guest hosting The Rosie O'Donnell Show, and she pulled out The People Magazine and she said, They cut me out. And it's true, they acted like it was only four women and Gloria was not in it. And Gloria very classily made a joke and she said, I don't know, maybe I was blocked by Mariah's hair. And I said that's a class act.

Gloria, so classy. God, what a gorgeous soul.

Can I say one of my favorite parts of that whole concert, which I watch again and again, is when Gloria Stephan sings her numbers because she had one single. It's called Heaven's What I Feel. It goes like this. Love sometimes can be like destiny. It can take you to wherever. I don't know how the rest goes. Then she goes, But I have broken all the rules of love. You have to listen to this song. -heaven's what I feel.

-heaven's what I feel.

Heaven's what I feel when I'm with you. You have to.

Look at you singing the notes.

I love Gloria, I love Diva. I love singing.

Yes. And that is why Diva's Live is number eight on our list of top 10 Diva moments. -lost Coach. -lost Coach.

When Walter Isaacson set out to write his biography of Elon Musk, he believed he was taking on a.

World-changing figure. That night, he was deciding whether or not to allow Starlink to be enabled to allow a sneak attack on Crimea.

What he got was a subject who also sowed chaos and conspiracy.

I'm thinking it's idiotic to buy Twitter because he doesn't have a fingertips feel for social, emotional networks.

And when I sat down with Isaacson five weeks ago, he told me how he captured it all.

They have Kansas spray paint, and they're just putting big X's on machines. And it's almost like kids playing on the playground. Just choose them up left, right and center. And then like, Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde, he doesn't even remember it. Getting to bars doesn't excuse being a total. But I want the reader to see it in action.

My name is Evan Ratliff, and this is Ayn Musk with Walter Isaacson. Join us in this four-part series as Isaacson breaks down how he captured a vivid portrait of a polarizing genius. Listen to Ayn Musk on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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No.

This next one is really major.

Number.

Seven.

Your Lebanese, your Orange. Your Lebanese.

Your Orange. Ladygaga.

Ladygaga. I think there's no one better to speak to this than you.

Thank you. As one of the two, I want to say that I was with you the week this came out. The day this came out, when Born This Way this song came out, you and I were going up to Skidmore College to Saratoga Springs.

Wow! You have good recall. I had forgotten this was the circumstance.

This was February 2011. We were going up to Skidmore College. I mean, I remember the way that the words your orient struck me. I said, That's not quite right. But I know what she's going for. I know what she's going for. And to this day, I stand by that because guess what? She was writing an inclusive song. I know that word, that I word is a little bit of an eyeroll maybe to some people.

Not.

At the time. Not at the time. And still to this day, I think, it's an important virtue. But Gaga was at the ripe age of what, like 24 years old writing a song being like anything you are that makes you feel different, that is beautiful. You were born this way. And that set off this whole culture of writing self empowerment, self love songs. I say I applaud Gaga, your Lebanese, your Oriant. She kept that in the Super Bowl performance.

Yes, she did. She did not change. She greatly went out onto the stage over a decade later. And with the knowledge that this was not right. And she said, your Lebanese, your Oriant. Whether life's disabilities make you feel outcast or teased. Make you outcast, bullied, or teased.

But lead to go up on lead.

Make you outcast, but lead or teased. This is iconic. We need to do an episode soon, which is a close read of The Born this way lyrics.

Oh, every line.

In the glass of Herboujois.

Wait, we need to do this. We need to do before that year is over, we need to do we need to start a new series called Last Colt, Clos Reed, which is we just take a pop song and we just literally word by word go through exactly what it is and.

Break it down. You know what is the model for that episode?

What?

I'm sorry to be self-referential. Our Gillain Maxwell episode. We did a close read on her name, and it was poetry, I have to say.

It's very much a front runner for the top 1,000 moments of Lost Coach just to be number one that episode. It's a serious front runner. Absolutely.

Now, I just want to say before we move on that I had to wear many gaga moments to choose from. This was the clear winner to me for this list. That's all I'm going to say.

I have to say, I think that you as a Lady Gaga scholar and an influencinge, I think that it is really up to you to say this. We've had so much. We've had, of course, the Oscars performance of Shallow. We've had, of course, the Super Bowl performance where she said where she caught the football at the end. We, of course, have her performance in American horror story. We have when someone threw up on her when she became a plane. We have so many moments and you've said.

No.

It's this.

You know what's closely going to beat this out? What? Her getting fucked on a desk in House of Gucci. But no, that's not the one. That could never be. Your Lebanese or Oriental is the one.

Can I say we need the Lady Gaga, Aries tour, and it has to include film. It has to include film. She has to figure that out.

It's going to happen. It's going to happen for sure.

I wonder if when Joker foley-do comes out, that it's just going to blow this whole list away.

I mean, that all top 10 entries will be from Joker Forleadou, perhaps.

I can't believe. I cannot believe I have to see that. Oh, my God.

We're going to love it. Are you kidding me?

I guess it's the most violent film of all time. That's what they were saying? They were like... Someone saw the script and was like, I don't know how they're going to make this. It on paper is the most violent film of all time.

I can't wait. It's so gaga. I love it. I love it.

This is why numbers your Lebanese your Oriant by Lady Gaga is number seven on top 10, Demon Moments:.

Lost Colch. Number six. Thank God.

For.

This.

One-handed car wheel on today's show, Fergie. One-handed car wheel.

On today's show, Fergie.

First of all. Why was she singing Baricuda? Why was she singing that song?

She wanted to. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter why. That moment was post-reason, post-thought. You can't think about it too long because it will not make sense.

You're right. I flopped even suggesting we should think about it. I feel like the one-handed cartwheel during the song Ulba or Rukuda on The Today show, which famously takes place so early in the morning, to think about how early the rehearsals had to be. I wonder if this was a spontaneous one handed cartwheel or if it was planned. I think it could go.

Either way. It could go either. It's Fergie and Fergie acts on Instinct, and that's why we love her. This woman released the single London Bridge where the cover was her standing in front of Tower Bridge, not London Bridge. This woman doesn't care. This woman does what she wants, and that's why we love her.

She said, You know what I have to say? I survived a meth addiction. I have been to hell and back. I'm going to stand in front of Tower Bridge and say, Lundi, Lundi, Lundi. Shut up.

Shut up.

If anyone says anything to her, it's like, Shut up, because let me also point you in another direction, which didn't make the list because this is on the list. But her performance of Be Italian in the film 9 was deserving of the Oscar win. Period.

Period point blank. Now, this one handed cartwheel, we still talk about it today. What else is there to say? I mean, this was before Pink was on her silks. This was a pop star doing full gymnastics while giving you a vocal. This was... This opened the door.

It did. It opened the door so wide because the door needed to be so wide for a cannon to fit through it so that Pink could be shot out of it. Let me tell you something, there's no Pink without Fergie. I say this knowing full well that Pink started before her.

I think Fergie altered Pink's trajectory.

You know who's not on the list?

Pink. That might be something that I reconsider because we love Pink here.

Pink is an honorable mention for getting shot into the sky during the song So What during her recent arena tour. But when there's moments like this on the list, it's going to be very hard to.

Break through. Oh, yeah. This is a very competitive list.

This was morning culture. Mornings weren't the same after this. Forget about morning show culture, forget about performance culture. This changed the way people wake up because Fergie was saying, I woke up and got together a performance where I did a one-handered carceral to a song not even on my album.

She was able to take the spotlight away from people like Matt Lauer, Katie Kerrig, maybe Marita Fierra. I'm not sure when this happened.

I have no idea.

It had nothing to do with the people on the show. This is what every artist who does the Today show dreams of, which is to create a moment that is actually impressive. It's not like Hilary Duff doing little dance moves with her arms on The Today show. It's pure talent. I'm sorry, this is pure talent. No one else could do that but Fergie, but Stacey.

By the time this episode comes out, we'll have performed on The Today show. I can guarantee you neither of us did a one hand at a cartwheel.

No.

We are not Diva enough.

No that.

No that. We did not.

Do it.

All right, that is all why.

One handed cartwheel on today's show by Fergie is number six on the top 10 Diva moments.

Los Colt. Here's a while back. Number five. We're my background singers.

Patty Label. I mean, I was cackling just thinking about this the other day. A moment of pure joy. Go, God, I don't know the song. I don't know the song. Where are the chords? You're going to keep going with the chords. Next chord. Let me see that chord. Let me see that chord. I mean, pure...

She did not know the song this Christmas.

This is a moment of pure panic that is immediately landing as pure joy to the audience. I feel sorry for whatever Patty, Ms. Label, was feeling in that moment. She must have felt very disoriented and embarrassed. But wow, all these years later, she is bringing joy to the hearts of the world with that performance.

I hope she's proud now and thinks of it as a funny thing. I don't know, but I really hope that she can see humor in Where's My Background singers? Because unfortunately, it is the moment in her illustrious career that has landed her on this list and probably others.

Probably others. Listen, she has had an amazing career, but the Diva moment is this, is yelling on the mic in our nation's capital for a Christmas celebration, screaming where the background singers are. Where are they?

This is either behavior. And also you know what's crazy? It's like they didn't even come on right away.

No, she was right. Right.

Yeah.

What were you going to say?

It took them a while to get out there. Where were the background singers? Did we ever get to answer that question? Where were they?

I got to say the way and I love background singers. Love.

So gifted.

So gifted. They showed up and they were trying to play it off as if nothing happened. But at that point, you got to look a little guilty for coming on so egregiously late. For Patty Lebel.

Honestly, I hope they heard an earful.

Yes. What do you think they were doing? I bet they were smoking hoca.

You think they were smoking hookah on Christmas at.

The Capitol? On Christmas at the Capitol. I bet someone brought a hookah, backstage, and they were gathered around the hoca. Why else would they be late?

Oh, my God.

They were smoking, sharing something.

You know what? That's the only excuse. Okay, maybe if they were smoking some hookah at the Capitol, then I could respect it because that would be the equivalent of them driving the wrong way on the freeway, like a laird style. Yes. Okay? Yes. Hoca at the Capitol on Christmas, that's why you're late for Patty Lebel, the one song you have to do. Forget about the fact that hang all the missiles. I'm going to get to know you better. What I loved was just when she started belting and guessing, riffing at the song. Honestly clocking in an iconic rendition.

Oh, I mean, I will always remember the melody of I'm going to add the bell I can.

Because I don't know the words and I don't have my background singers.

Joyful.

Joyful. I will have them all I can. I can.

That is iconic, Patty.

Thank you. Oh, man. This is why. Thank you for making it seasonal. This is why that Where my background singers is number five, that's Patty Lebel, on the list of top 10 Diva moments, Lost Colch.

Number four.

Singing Whitney Huston.

Singing Whitney Huston.

The gift?

-the gift. Obviously, there are a lot of spoken moments from Whitney that are iconic, but none of them are why we love her. None of them are why she is a diva. She's a diva because she is one of the best recording artists of all time.

We could have said when she sang We could have said when she said, I listen to singers. I'm very, very listen to people who cannot sing. I was thinking about putting on here, Why are you down there? To Brandy. But none of these really get it across, which is the reason why she's able to say all these things and do all these things is connected to her own singing. So it will be actually disrespectful. And this has been so far a list of great respect.

A great respect.

To say that the number one thing we love about her is anything other than singing. Okay?

I mean, she is purely evocative. If you say the words singing, you think Whitney. You think Whitney.

If you say the words and I, you think about Whitney.

If you say the words, I believe the children, you're going to finish that thought.

Our future- Our future. Teach them well and let them lead.

The way. Speaking of the greatest love of all, that music video of her just coming down the fire escape, I said, That is beauty. That is art. She is brimming with the spirit of - Star quality. -star quality, the spirit of creativity, of just expression. That is perfect. Whitney Huston, we love you.

We love you, Whitney. We will always remember you and we will always have the music.

I was with you the night that she died. Oh, God, where were we? It was at Skidmore again.

Oh, my God, you're right. Was it.

That year? February 2012 was when she passed away.

Oh, you know what? I didn't go to Skidmore that year.

You didn't.

Go that year. And you know what? That actually really makes me remember something, which is I was doing Marat Sad. We had performances. I was in a musical at NYU called Marat Sad. It was a punk rock musical interpretation of the play The Assassination of Marat by-The Mark We Decide. The Mark We Decide. The Mark We Decide. The assistant director looked at all of us before and said, Do this one for Whitney. We all understood that we would do it for Whitney, but we also laughed.

That reminds me of not to bring up another death and not to relate this, but I had a story pirate show the day that Robin Williams passed away. I think someone said, let's do this for Robin. We say such sentimental, silly things upon an icon's passing. But that's okay.

That is okay because guess what? I bet a little part of you did do it for Robin, and I know a little part of me did it for Whitney. Oh, I know you did. Just like the little parts of us are doing this for Whitney right now. And all this is why. Whitney Houston is number four. I'm a top 10 Diva Moments: Last Coach for her singing.

For her singing.

When Walter Isaacson set out to write his biography of Elon Musk, he believed he was taking on a world-changing figure.

That night, he was deciding whether or not to allow Starlink to be enabled to allow a sneak attack on Crimea.

What he got was a subject who also sowed chaos and conspiracy.

I'm thinking it's idiotic to buy Twitter because he doesn't have a fingertips feel for social, emotional networks.

And when I sat down with Isaacson five weeks ago, he told me how he captured it all.

They had Kansas spray paint, and they're just putting big X's on machines. And it's almost like kids playing on the playground. Just choose them up left, right and center. And then like, Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde, he doesn't even remember it. Getting to Mars doesn't excuse being a total of. But I want the reader to see it in action.

My name is Evan Ratliff, and this is On Musk with Walter Isaacson. Join us in this four-part series as Isaacson breaks down how he captured a vivid portrait of a polarizing genius. Listen to Ahn Musk on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Number three. I don't.

Know her.

Mariah. I don't know her.

Mariah. Whereas Whitney, of course, we have to, because it would be disrespectful to not first and foremost, I hear singing, we've boiled Mariah down to I don't know her.

For good reason, because especially upon reading the meaning of Mariah Carey, this moment makes total sense now. Hundo. It actually speaks to Mariah's relationship to her work. She cares about the way the work comes together. And when the work gets taken away from her and given to someone else, maybe Jennifer Lopez, then she acts out in her diva way that we all know and love her for.

First of all, you don't get to be a bigger lamb than me. I'm in the Lambily firmly and forever. And I have a poster in my apartment that says I don't know her, in Mariah Carey, an iconic butterfly font. I would say that it does give me the essence of Mariah and that it is superior because she is. And it also does something for me every day where I say, I don't know her. Anyone who is trying to be in my image, anyone who's trying to fuck with me, anyone who's managed by my ex-husband?

I don't.

Know her. I don't know her.

Tommy, Metola, found dead.

I mean, so did you ever see the Watch What Happens Live where they played a game with Mariah called Does She Know Her?

Yes. Then Mariah had the funniest little quip. She said, Well, apparently I'm very forgetful.

Well, apparently I'm very forgetful.

So funny. Then they said.

Demi Lovato had something to say about how nasty Mariah is to Jennifer Lopez. Mariah said, I don't know her either. I'm sure she doesn't. And then she said, If she has a problem, she can come to me like a woman, and she could say, I have a problem. Here's what Iwhat I think. That's how you handle shit. And you know that Demi Lovato was found dead when she heard that.

I mean, Demi couldn't punch her way out of that one. I'm sorry to say.

It's true. I'm going to beat this bitch up.

I'm going to beat this bitch up. And I don't know her. I mean, it is the perfect way to let something slide off. Just to be like, This doesn't belong to me. This person, I'm not responsible for commenting on her. I don't know her. I literally don't know her. It's so powerful.

Any of the mess you're talking about with what they might have said about me, I don't know her.

Period.

I don't have knowledge of the personhood. I don't have knowledge of the personhood of this individual. I don't know her. Cut.

Cut.

Print. Thank you, Mariah, for giving us that. And of course, your incredible singing and songwriting prowess is legendary. But you are mostly for words I don't know her. And that is why you rank at number three, I don't know her, Mariah, on top 10 Diva moments.

Lost cult.

Speaking of things people said out-serving.

Their singing- Their singing talent. Number two.

Okay.

-the great gowns. -the beautiful gowns. -aretha. -aretha. I mean, this is a hilarious thing to say about our current reigning pop icon, the Beatles of our generation.

Taylor. Taylor.

And.

She said after probably the fourth person that she had been asked about, and even Alicia Kays got good writer, young producer. Taylor got okay, great gowns. Gowns. Beautiful gowns.

Beautiful gowns. I think Taylor keeps her ear to the ground. And I think maybe this was something that sprung her into... You always need an I'll show them attitude and show biz.

Don't you? And that was Taylor Swift's Don't Blame Me.

Yes.

She said, Oh, she has something to say about my singing? Get in the studio. We're recording. Don't blame me. Don't blame me of love. Made me crazy. If it doesn't, you ain't doing it right. And I will say that Aretha would be so shook to hear that we're complimenting Taylor's vocals in a thing where she said, Okay, great gowns, beautiful gowns. So let's just go back.. I'm a queen, my brain.

It's a great song. Lord, take me my drug. Yes, my baby, I'll be using for the rest of my life. Using for the rest of my life. She goes hard. Reputation. I mean, we're talking about reputation. On an Aretha Franklin entry. Okay, I mean, Aretha, we obviously know the vocal prowess, but this was one of her last great contributions to the culture.

Great gowns, beautiful gowns. I mean, the whole thing is funny. Maybe even Good writer, young producer might be funnier than Gowns, beautiful gowns. And then, of course, Nikki Minaj.

Well, I'm going to pass on that one. Thank you, Aretha, for your countless contributions. And this might be some recency bias, but we are putting okay, great gowns, beautiful gowns as number two on this list of the top 10 Diva moments.

Last.

Coach, number one.

Good luck with that stage you speak of. Good luck.

With that stage you speak of. Our greatest comedian.

One of the funniest comics. I think that when Ciarra tried to come for Rihanna and said she was rude in an event, and Rihanna responded on Twitter, My bad seed did I forget to tip you at a restaurant. And Ciarra said, Honey, I have no time for this. I'm about to go on stage. And Rihanna killed her dead. What did you do? What was it? What was it?

You say. I'm sorry to correct you, but I think Cierra said, Trust me, Rihanna, you don't want to see me on or off stage. Which then prompted Rihannas wanted to say, good luck with book in that stage.

You speak of. Good luck with book in that stage you speak of.

It's the you speak of that's really the perfect little ornament.

I saw Rihanna at restaurant and she was very rude. My bad seeds that I forget to tip you? Trust me, you don't want to see me on or off stage.

Good luck with looking that stage you speak of. I mean, you have a death wish if you want to step to Rihanna. You don't want that smoke.

It's a billion dollars, a blunt and a Twitter login, and it's death to all of them in the words of Wendy, okay? I mean... K-o-k-o. It's over. Knockout. Total K-O.

I think this is a worthy spot for number one. I really do. Because you and I think about this all the time.

You won't see me arguing against a single choice on this list, and this does not end here. I would say this was the moment that defined a generation. This was the spoken equivalent of Rihanna's loud album.

Yes, her most experimental spoken word. This opened the door.

This opened the door to be Rihanna as a mogul.

As a Mogul. I think this is one of the only moments that was played out on Twitter, and that is interesting as well. This is very 2010s coded.

Yes, it was. And also we should have known we were flying too close to the sun right there because it was over after this. Twitter slowly started to become worse and worse. This was the peak of twice. This was not knowing the good times are rolling while they're rolling. You know what I mean?

Period. I can't say - We were spoiled.

For iconography. -i can say -for iconography.

I love everyone who follows the Last Coach Twitter and who interacts, engages with us on the Last Coach side. Overall, I would say it is just for chance. No, that's like it's bad.

I was wondering the other day, I was psychically asking you without directly asking you. I was like, I wonder how much longer we keep the Twitter because it feels like...

I think it's done. I think it's over. Really? I know we've been saying this for years, but I think five of the last nails in the cop and were slammed into it at the same time in the last month or so.

Anyway. Yeah. And here we are saying that I think one of the most important inventions electronically and technically and socially was Twitter of the past 50 years. And the peak of it was what Rihanna said that landed her at number one on this list of top 10 Diva moments.

Lost Coach. Well, I think this was a very comprehensive list. There were some missing entries. I think Pink, as we've said, I think we were missing a Kelly Clarkson moment. I think- What.

Would that have been?

I think it would have been her winning a moment like... Winning American idol. Winning a moment like this, winning American idol. A winning American idol. I think we missed something from Hilary Duffe, from Miley Cyrus, Nicky Minage.

Did you see Miley Cyrus through her own birthday party? And her birthday party was she finally sang flowers live to her friends and family. She said, My birthday party was me singing my own songs. And I said, You better fucking.

Go off. You better go off. Good for you, Miley. Legend.

But she did not make the list. That doesn't mean she can't make the list. It doesn't mean that Miley hasn't done many things, but this list was comprehensive and it's complete. I give it to my sister who put this one together. I merely made one contribution, which was Diva's Live at number eight, but you really ate this down. Diva moment. You drove the other way on the freeway with this one, bitch.

Thank you, Diva. So did you. You were at the wheel.

Now... Jesus, take it.

Jesus, take it. Carrie Underwood also missing. Now, we hope to provide you some more lists than the new year, but for now, enjoy the ones that we've given you. There's a lot of great stuff in there, and we hope you learn.

We hope you listen, learn, and elucidate.

What's that word? That's a good word. It means shed light.

Thank you, everyone, for listening. Goodbye.

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