Hey, Rob, we're both wearing red. Oh, I like it, and it's kind of a Nantucket red, if you will.

It's where you you're in a beautiful location. Where is that? I'm in Laurel Canyon.

You win the award for best background of any of the guests on on literally.

Yes, literally. Hey, everybody, welcome to the podcast. Today, we have the great Jane Lynch, who, as you will see, I discovered that we're the same person, basically. It's kind of creepy. But inspiring because she's awesome, I mean, she's won an Emmy and two Golden Globes for Sue Sylvester in Glee and who among us does not love Sue Sylvester in Glee shows Hollywood Game Night, which is a genius. And she's in the marvelous Mrs.

Masel won an Emmy for that. She's won more Emmys. I have. Maybe she should be hosted and I should be the guest. Let's see what's what.

I'm so glad that you've taken time to come and hang out with us today. It's very it's very, very exciting.

I was going over to some background on you and I came across some that really made me laugh about your mother going. I don't know if you're going to be an actress, Jane.

I just don't know. Yeah. She said not everybody can do what they want, which I think said more about her than it did about me, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What would she have had you do, like in her dream scenario?

Well, she told me all the time what she would have me do. You know, she wanted she thought I should be a teacher. She thought she always said you need to have something to fall back on and I should learn how to type. And at one point when I was when I was like in my late 20s, when I was doing Shakespeare in the park, and she came to see it and she said that was really good in everything, honey.

But I still see you teaching. And I stopped her and I said, you can never say that to me ever again. And she never did. And listen, nobody was happier with my having success in this business than my mother. She was thrilled. I think there was an actress inside of her that never got to come out and she loved to sing. And, you know, I think she when she said to me, you know, not everybody can do what they want, I think that's where that came from for sure.

I mean, I look back.

Having kids now of my own and growing, growing through and in the prime of the job hunt gives me such amazing appreciation for my parents, for when I told them that I wanted to be an actor and that was all my interest was I literally had no other I got fired from every job I attempted to that I was fired from being a busboy.

I was fought for I was fired for a projectionist at the Malibu cinema for kissing girls behind the ice making machine and putting the reels on in the wrong order. I was awful, awful everything other than being an actor. And I can I just so appreciate that my parents let me do it. Yeah, I mean it almost looking back on I go. Were they negligent? They were like shirking their fiduciary responsibilities by not I didn't go to college. I, you know, because I did a movie, I had to choose between doing them.

But it's it's a whole other perspective, isn't it, really for your mom?

Yeah. Yeah. And how parents, you know, you're you're a parent, how they they just trust that the world is going to be kind to your child and your child's going to find a way to eke out a living in this world. And yeah, it's a must be a really scary thing. That's why I only have dogs. You're so smart.

Although I will tell you, my dog, I have five dogs. I was just one of them just came up and put his foot in the soup and then threw it on the ground and then drank it and ran out and and my wife shows like that. But it's such a good dog. I'm like, it's not by definition that's a bad dog.

That's a bad but I'm sure adorable and is worthy of having deserving of that soup.

You do you do animal rescues. I think I don't do it myself, but. Oh yeah, we do. We do. I don't go into the shelters and pick out animals that would kill me, but I support them. And we always have old rescues. We adopt through a place called a purposeful rescue and we'll get old dogs. And the thing is, is then they're gone in a couple of years. But still, they had a great couple of years.

Their last live last years of their lives were really great. And so we have one old girl right now and we lost one to Thanksgiving. And we've got a little puppy who's probably going to be running up here that we found at Runyon Canyon in L.A. Someone just dumped them.

Oh, we haven't done it in a couple of years. Well, more than a couple. But there are a few years where we would. Identify dogs in the shelters. My wife and I and then kind of have a network of people that we're likely to adopt them and we would go in and swoop in like an army event.

We would take them all at once, bring it to the house. We'd have mobile vets who would come and, you know, check them out. We have mobile groomers.

And then we'd have like a showroom and people would come. It was the cutest.

The problem was then us took. We always ended up with more dogs for us. Yeah, for you.

That's right. Now you have five kids. We had four are the height of our our dog population was four.

And that was that was pretty tough. And we said three is the most. And so we have to now we might get another. We'll see.

I'm a big believer in non dog, non pet names for pets already us to.

Yeah, we do. We do people names. Bernie Smillie, our buchel, our buckle's kind of. But it's Fatty Arbuckle because he was a fat dog. Yeah, we do like a real name's Olivia, but I've always wanted to have a dog named Diane or care. Yes. Well well that's what Linda Brook. That's why I love Linda to call a dog Linda. That's fantastic. Yeah.

We had Wayne and David and Buster.

David, David. David was one of the great dog names of all time.

And we had a Kevin we had a Kevin wants to know.

But here's the thing is because I'm just a big pile of silly that the names last for two seconds and then they become baby talk gibberish. Names.

Names. Yeah, like my dog Roomi named after the poet. I call him Doom. Doom, that's all I call him. And I called him Roomi for about a week and then it was doomed. Boom, boom, boom.

Doumar rheumatiz rheumy dumi zoom zoom zoom.

Like you never called it names. No, never know. OK, explain Roomi to me because I have been people been trying to get me to read Rumi forever. Yeah.

If I get one more fucking Rumi book from Chris Martin I'm going to strangle him and the entire band of Coldplay.

Yeah I get it. They're evolved. They're smarter than I am. Yeah.

I'm not smarter than you are. I my partner Jennifer. She came up with the name Rumi and I have to Rumi books right here just for effect. I can't say yes that I gravitate toward him, but I really want to because he's supposed to just be a delight about the relate the relationship with the divine and how he makes it romantic. And I don't know, it just doesn't grab me that way. And I bet everybody's lying. Who says they get him?

I don't buy it.

I don't buy it either. I find it. I've tried. And I literally think that it is. I like the idea of me reading Rumi.

I love the idea of you reading Rumi. It's so awesome.

And here's the other thing. Not to brag, please, because I've told the other side, I've told the other side of the story. I once had my IQ tested and it was the worst thing I ever did was horrible.

I should never have done it because it was higher when the results was really low. When it came up, when it came back, it was it was like not good news. It was what it was like like I didn't think I had long to live in the looks of the of the shoot to live. Yeah, but but on the other side of it, within that I was off the charts like crazy. They never tested anybody like me on other areas and one of them was reading comprehension.

So I may not have a high IQ, but my reading comprehension is like otherworldly.

And if I can't read Rumi with my big honkin crazy high IQ testing, I think it says something.

Yeah, I wish I had that. That's one of the things that I like. If there's such a thing as praying that I give little prayers for is please, please allow me not only to comprehend what I'm reading because I'm in the Twitter age where you're just you're it's like bursts of adrenaline, boom, boom. I can't go I can't read a whole article. Please let me not only be able to comprehend it, but retain it. Please let me be a student.

Please let me hold on to this stuff because I'm interested. But, you know, I'm just zip off and I don't like that. I want I want to.

Are you good at are you good at memorizing dialogue? Is that hard for you when your dialogue is fine? But Rob, almost every role I've had, I have monologues. I just I stand up and tell people what's what. And so if I have like a back and forth, I'm like, easy. But the monologues are like when I was doing Glee, I had two, three page monologues.

Who was writing Glee when you was was it was Brad Falchuk writing it?

Yeah. Brad Ian Ian Brennan is the and Brian were the first three writers writers. I am the character of Sue Sylvester is the brainchild of Ian Brennan, another Chicago. And just like myself, I'm a great deal are older than he is, but there is a particular sensibility in it. Irish Catholic Chicago sensibility. It's kind of. Dark and mean and has really like satanic images, that's and that's a good Catholic boy, right?

Yeah, I as a as a new member to the Ryan Murphy Universe, it's I have a total understanding for now and appreciation for what it's like to work in that, in that a lot of people say that they have worlds.

The world of Marvel. Ryan Murphy has a world as a world. Definitely. And you're you're on the early Mount Rushmore with your sweatsuit. Indeed.

Indeed. Indeed. Yeah. That was what a gift that was what a gift that whole time was. And I got to say, some of the most ridiculously vile things I've ever said on television.

So fun. Yeah. And then when you were on on Glee, how how much how much thought went into the wardrobe because I loved your. I just love the notion of you in these tracksuits, it was very it was just the absolute great, so iconic.

It's an iconic indeed and a really strong choice to add and not like Lululemon, but it was like Adidas, even though we didn't use Adidas, you know, with the stripe down the leg and stripe down the arm, it was very Run DMC or what is it like old Russian guy hiking up the hills?

I don't know if you ever like L.A., but every once in a while you'll see these old Russian guys and total sweaty sweatsuits matching sweaters. Yeah, totally. Yeah, but so that was Ryan Murphy. That was his his thing. And they would be of different colors as they were. I mean, I had an entire rainbow of tracksuits. It was the best. And it was like going to work in your pajamas basically. Which I'm I'm aspiring to, yeah, right now, I'm I'm aspiring to get to the point where I can wear my like Adam Sandler, who just when he does movies, I've talked about this before, he just it's like wherever he took his last vacation is where the movie is going to take place.

And he's going to wear his own clothes. Yes.

And and it's like he's going to wear a hat, his favorite hat and his favorite jersey. Yeah.

How did you find out that Carol Burnett was going to play your mom? Walk me through this, because it's one of the things that people don't understand about being on TV that I love is you're on a show and inevitably you'll be standing by the monitor. And Ian, in your case or somebody will go. So looks like we're going to introduce your mom on Episode seven. You're like, really? Well, that's really exciting. Who are you thinking of?

And it's inevitably these insane people. And then you end up with like a perfectly fine actor, but it's never who. You said you got Carol fucking Burnett.

How did that happen? Insane. First of all, Carol Burnett got a hold of Ryan Murphy and said, I want to play in your sandbox, so whatever you want me to do. And he said, well, why don't you play Sue Sylvester's Nazi hunting mother? And amazing. Yeah. And then he said to her, What song would you like to sing? And she said, Well, since our show is set in Ohio, why don't we sing that that song from my sister Eileen.

Why? Oh, why did I leave Ohio? And so that's how that all that happened. It was her call, she decided so that it did blow my mind. And, you know, I'm a big Montecito fan and Carol lives in Montecito. She's one of your neighbors. So we've I've had brunch with her up at the Biltmore a couple of times. And she's I did jury duty with our husband, Brian. So she's become a very good friend.

Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing.

What one of the many times where I just get so grateful for. You know, living the life I've been able to live is when I see Carol, because I can remember like it was yesterday, waiting in front of the television for The Carol Burnett Show to come on.

And, you know, because I'm from Ohio and I'm living in Ohio watching it, of course, you'd you'd be eating some real, like Midwestern like jello with milk in it.

That's for that. Yes. Do you remember jelly with jelly? Was that crazy? I know how you thought of that. Yeah, crazy.

Because because jello isn't gross enough.

So milk and stir it like, you know what would be great curdling milk in this as you watch. It was great. Carol Burnett Show. Yeah. And then I then I became obsessed with as I moved to L.A. and got here is is CBS in Television City like you'd pass on Fairfax where they shot it.

Sure, yeah. Yeah. And the brother was there. Was there across the hall. Yeah, absolutely. Didn't that blow your mind?

It blew my mind. And you're you're from Illinois. It's a suburb of Chicago.

Dalton, did you have when you were growing up like legitimate summer stock in your area? No.

No, not at all. No, no, no. We didn't have that. My parents did a show at the church called Port of Call where they would perform in the high school and each room would be a different port of call. But that's it. We didn't perform. No, we didn't have it.

Did you have. Yeah. Yeah.

There was big time. We had a thing called the Kenly players and which I'm obsessed with.

John Kennedy passed away a few years ago, is ninety seven years old and he had a circuit of theaters, but there were big Memorial Hall theaters, so it's eleven hundred twenty five hundred seats and he would have a rotating shows that would come through. So you'd see like Sandy Duncan doing Peter Pan and then Harvey Korman and under the Yum-Yum Tree and then Rick Taylor in The Music Man and like it was one step away from Waiting for Guffman type of situation.

Like one star, right? One one one star that would be in the cast, one star, everybody else, any local.

One hundred percent. And it was like, you play Warren, Ohio. Lansing, Michigan. Dayton, Cincinnati. Columbus.

And that was sort of and and you just know, it was every sort of second lead on whatever the hit sitcom was of the time coming in to just get fuckin blotto through their summer vacation.

Yeah. And making some nice little coin on the side, I'll bet.

Were you in those shows, would you audition by play parts?

I auditioned and I never got one. No, I never. But I was really I was also really young, so I was like eight, nine years old.

So I auditioned for Oliver for one of the, you know, the chorus boys in Oliver and Vincent Price was.

Oh, my God. Vincent Price. He must have been old. He was old. I mean, I saw great shit I saw. But that's what I thought in when because I when I moved to California, there was actually less theater in L.A. than there was in Dayton, Ohio, where you were. It's you. But you were at Steppenwolf, correct?

I was in Chicago. So I probably one of the big reasons we didn't have regional theater is we had Chicago 20 minutes away. That's right. All the big shows would come in. And then Chicago's a great actors town. It's a lot of a lot of non-equity act acting ensembles. And Steppenwolf was one of those. And then it blew up and became huge. And indeed, I wasn't in the ensemble, but I did four or five shows there.

I toured with Second City.

I was in the touring company and I did a lot of what we call off loop loop being the center of the city non-equity off loop theater company. So I have a great deal of experience doing kind of the stuff where you bring your own costumes and you build your own sets and you clean the toilets, that sort of stuff. Do you when you were at Second City, were you ever there, like when Lorne Michaels was coming in to look for the next cast of Saturday, all that stuff?

Yeah, I was. And I was never chosen for that sort of thing. But I was there when Bonnie Hunt was in, but she became a big star like Bonnie Hunt and Joel Murray and Tim Meadows was there. I don't know if you know these guys. David passed Quazi. These are really great actresses. You know that that I know. And they would get kind of plucked out of there either by Lorne Michaels or by a television series and, you know, in L.A. and they'd go they go to pilot season and everybody would see if they're oh, are they going to become a big star?

I, I could only imagine what it's like to be in one of those, you know, amazing historic ensembles. Yeah. And then, you know, tonight's the night, you know, who's out in the house tonight.

Yeah. And, you know, and in a way too, it was kind of a shame because there was such a purity to doing theater in Chicago. We did. You know, when I was doing it there, there weren't a lot of people plucking us out. That only happened at Second City main stage. And, you know, a Steppenwolf was its own thing. But there was kind of this thing, especially second city, you'd get in the touring company and then you right away want to get on one of the stages.

And then when you get on one of the stages, you want to get on the main stage. So that was always this kind of a climbing thing where you were never happy with where you were. You're always looking to the next step. So I didn't suffer from that because I never made it to the next steps.

The other thing I find interesting about you, and you can help me with this, we talked about Roomi.

You, frankly, weren't much help. I'm so sorry. That was disappointing. But you have another you have another chance here with telling me that I do need to get into transcendental meditation because everybody I admire. Is it. Does it.

Yeah. And by the way, not a lot of people do it. I'm not saying that, but. But the few people I know who do it love it.

Yeah, it is. It's really great. So when you hear of TM, that's what it is. It's transcendental meditation and it it's centuries old, but it had its popularity here in the 60s, early 70s, when Maharishi came over and the Beatles went to ashrams with him and everything. But it's 20 minutes a day. It's scientifically proven. There's no woo woo about it. You can get Woo with it if you want. But basically, it's pure science, you see for 20 minutes.

And at some point in your chanting internally, the mantra that they give you and you don't tell anybody what that is, you never say it out loud. You just chanted internally. And at some point, I mean, it's not like the lights go off. That happens occasionally. But you just kind of drop. And yes, it's interesting that it's called transcendental, which means a high, but it's really a drop. It's almost like David Lynch said it felt like somebody he was in an elevator and someone snapped the cables.

And in that you get a level of rest that you can't get in deep sleep. It's it's really, you know, I love doing it. I do it twenty minutes in the morning and twenty minutes at night. And you have to be trained by a teacher of meditation, but you don't need money to do it. If you have the money, you pay them. But if you don't do it for free and I'm associated with the David Lynch Foundation because it's right down the street, that's where I learn.

Yeah. And it's yeah, it's really wonderful.

It's a lovely thing to look into who bestows the mantra on you, your teacher, and you go through a whole class. There's usually about five or six of you in a class and it's about five days or maybe it's four days and you have to do them in a row. And the teacher takes each one of you after she's explained or he's explained scientifically what happens to your body and your consciousness when you're meditating. Then she has a little bit of a ritual where you go into a room with her and she whispers into your ear, hopefully you're good.

Er, I'm deaf in one ear.

Are you deaf in one ear? I'm adesa with you. If I'm always like, oh this one please don't whispered in my ear.

Oh yeah. And whisper hopefully in your good ear. And then they do it just that once and you remember it and you and from that moment on you're meditating with the mantra I've got to do this.

It's one of those things that's been on my my bucket list to try and my problem whenever I've tried to meditate is I just go to sleep. That's OK too. I just get sleepy. They'll tell you it's OK. That's OK too. You don't have to stay awake.

In fact, if I don't do my second meditation at night, it's totally within the rules to do falling asleep for the last, you know, whatever, however many minutes before you fall asleep. Yeah. It's really it's the easiest thing you'll ever do because they're it's the most forgiving method. And there are some. Rules because wait, because that's insane, because I keep here, I don't know why I had it in my head that it was this unbelievably rigorous discipline.

No, it's not. It's easy and forgiving and generally and kind. It's lovely. Now, there are some people who go off on meditation courses and they'll meditate for like 12, 18 hours a day. But no, no, no, that the 20 minutes a day is literally just sitting. And, you know, you don't use your phone for a time or use a regular clock and you just kind of have it off to the side. You close your eyes and just chant them and you're supposed to thoughts are supposed to come up.

You don't stop yourself. Yes. They come up and you go back to your mantra.

Somebody told me that when your thoughts come up and you're trying to meditate, that this this this visual work for me, that it's like the game of Frogger where the logs come by and you just let them go.

Yes. The game of Frogger. Here comes the lilypad. You don't have to attach to them.

And if you attach to them, that's OK too. That's why I said it's the most forgiving, gentle, kind thing you could do for yourself. And it really affects your nervous system. It really what would you say?

So what's the benefit that you that you find that you like the most from it? I said, is it energy and calmness?

That too? I'm not so much I don't feel the energy so much. But you talk to Jerry Seinfeld and he does a whole comic monologue about how it actually energizes him. He says he's an energy junkie. I haven't noticed that so much. And that's not my deal anyway. But it's a presence and a calmness and a sleep. And I look better. Honest to God, it is I it is like anti aging. It gets everything just kind of going at a real smooth kind of, you know, it's just everybody's going to have a different a great thing about it.

But I can't recommend it highly enough. And I'm sure there's somebody in Montecito who's a teacher. I guarantee you there is a teacher in Montecito.

There's so much there's so much of that up here.

This is a big yoga place, which is another thing that I've got to get into, because, again, everybody who practices yoga, particularly as they get older, they're just they just look so young and they're they're just so I mean, I I'm still recovering from the evening the weekend I spent it stings house where I woke up and he was nude practicing yoga in the garden.

It kind of I was like kind of that visual in my head that I need to either accept or get over or embrace.

Just accept it and it'll go away like Frogger. Just go away. Hold that thought. We'll be right back. Were you on West Wing when I was there? Yeah, I was, yes. In fact, you were very nice to me and you probably don't remember, but you gave me a ride and that your kids were little and you gave me a ride, a golf cart. You wrote you drove me to from the parking lot to set at work.

Yeah, I remember that. I remember that golf cart young.

I think that both of them were there, two boys and they were like, you know, four and five. That's right. Yes. I two episodes. I played a reporter and I it was one day of shooting, but it got it put into two different episodes and they turned out to be the two of the most like iconic West Wing episodes, which when he shot remember in it, of course, and it ends one season, then it opens the other season.

So so many people know me from that. Rob, I can't tell you because it's really there are two very iconic episodes of that show.

I remember that scene, the shooting sequences in in DC. That was a big moment for the show and a big a big moment to shoot.

I remember that. I'm so glad that's the episode.

You and I have to go back and look at the two of them, the last one and then the first one of the next season. It's amazing how that show just what it means to people. I mean, you have give glee. So you know what that's that's like I mean, the Glee fans are. Is there a name for Glee fans? Did anybody ever Gleeks?

What is it? G leaks. Hey, and what are W Swingers called wingnuts. Wingnuts? Yeah.

It was such a fantasy of such a good man in the in the White House and such a such high principles. And everybody around him believed in him. And I think maybe Obama might have been as close as we've gotten to that.

Yeah. I mean, Kennedy, you know, there was that thing, Aaron, would never reference a president past Kennedy.

So if you look that was part of the world of it, because if you started referencing Carter or Reagan or Ford or whatever you would, I think people began to like go, whoa, wait a minute, is this real?

Is this not real?

So I always thought it was fascinating that we lived in a world where there really wasn't a president after John Kennedy and the West Wing.

Yeah, yeah. I think that makes sense, too, because you start getting into people's point of view about the more recent presidents.

And when you go to Kennedy, there's just kind of a glow around him. You know, people don't say bad things about John F Kennedy, even people who are way to the other side of the the spectrum. You know, he's kind of considered this in a bubble of this, you know, Camelot.

Yeah. For sure, I'm having so much fun because I have I have you're right next to me, I have your filmography and every time I look over, I see something that's more fun than the last thing I see that you are. This is too good for.

First of all, you're in the fugitive. Yeah.

Tell me about. I love that movie. That's sort of my favorite movies ever. Did you was Harrison. What's what's that. So I'm going to go back and look at that one too.

Yeah. I was doing a play in Chicago. You know, we shot that in Chicago. That was shot in Chicago, all in Chicago. And I was living in Chicago and I did a play called The Real Live Brady Bunch. And it was this ridiculous thing that we were doing at a little theater on the north side of the city and somehow the assistant of our director, Andy, whose name is escaping me now. But he says, I'm going to think of it, too.

Yes, he lives in Montecito, the nicest guy.

And she said, Davis, Andy Davis. Davis, yeah. Andy Davis, his production companies in Montecito. And his assistant said, hey, there's this girl. I think she'd be great for the scientist. And he said, I will hire her. And they offered me a thousand dollars. And I was like too much money. And and I got to work with Harrison Ford. It was the greatest thing in the world. And Harrison was very nice to me.

And he was not happy with the way the scene was written. So he he said, come with me. And he grabbed an umbrella because it was raining. We went into his trailer, we worked out the beats and we came back and shot it and we shot it that way. So I was like kind of working on the script with Harrison Ford and I was, you know, twenty nine years old. It was mind blowing and he was this huge star.

So that was pretty amazing.

That is that's I was hoping that was going to be sort of the answer that like that Harrison was great and it was in there that I love the idea of you hammering out a scene with Harrison Ford in The Fugitive.

Yeah, it was really cool. I was like, I don't like these lines. We're going to work it out. And so we we came up with our own thing and we and it was good and it was good.

He's such a stud.

I, I was I did a TV series called Brothers and Sisters with his wife, Calista Flockhart, who I adore.

And we would be I have such a great memory of. We were and she was this close to this beautiful ball gown, and I'm in this black tie with the the Geary designed L.A. Philharmonic building and the moon is rising. And it's late on a Friday. As you know, we always shoot late on Friday nights. And the phone is her phone is ringing and ringing and ringing. And she's not picking up because it's Harrison. And and I'm like and I'm getting more and more nervous.

The more times he's calling and she's not picking up the phone. It's horrific. It's Harrison Ford.

You should you should pick up the phone. I mean, you don't let I said I said I don't want to hear that bullwhip. And I don't that's not so. You're in the guest universe. Yep. You're a certified member. He's one of my favorite directors ever. And I think I already talked about Waiting for Guffman deny already. I think I already mentioned that in this podcast.

Oh, did you? Yeah. Yeah. You've never done a movie with him, though, right?

No, I would love to. You're too famous. He would tell you you're too famous. I'm I'm too famous now to that's that's like saying he likes people who you when you look at them on screen you don't know who they are, damn it. Yeah I know. I screwed what up.

But wait, tell me he directed you any Frosted Flakes commercial this time. Favorite factoid ever. Do you know Sean Masterson, the actor. Funny guy. Yeah. Anyway, he's a Chicago dude too. But we were both out here and we auditioned for the Christopher Guest commercial. We were both cast and we didn't know it was a Christopher Guest commercial. And this was after Waiting for Guffman. And I, of course, love that movie and had the preposterous fantasy of I wonder if I'll ever get to do that.

And so we showed up for the callback for this commercial. And I walk in and it's Chris Guest, and I know it's crazy. I did not expect him. They there was no sign that said Chris Guess. And then after he cast me in that and then when we were shooting that commercial, he said, you know, I do movies and I'm like, yeah, I know. And he said, maybe we'll get to work someday. And then I ran into him at a restaurant one morning and he said, Oh, I forgot about you come to my office.

And he offered me a role and best in show.

He had completely forgotten about me. And then he saw me in this restaurant and I was like, what if I went to a different restaurant?

That's the way it happens. Listener You care for what restaurants you go to, the struggling actor out there, it's all about where you eat. First of all, best in show is I mean, we've already established how much we love dogs.

So we're so in that world, it's what a frosted I don't think of Chris guest in a Frosted Flakes commercial. Was there anything about the Frosted Flakes commercial that I would watch and go, Oh, yeah, I can see that.

That's absolutely we improvised the whole thing. It was really goofy. And, you know, Chris Guest direct, I don't know that he does anymore. But at that time he was directing like a commercial a day. And anything you saw on telly? Yeah. Anything you saw on television that you laughed at. Chris directed it. In fact, he's the guy who started the what's the sports cable network? I forget.

Oh, ESPN, ESPN, you know, those kind of weird commercials that I used to do where the the athletes would be walking through the corporate offices. Yes. Shaky camera. And they were funny and and irreverent. That's Chris Christie. He created that.

I had no yeah. I know exactly what those those commercials are absolute classics.

So you have a Frosted Flakes commercial. If you saw that, you would see we're like out in front of supposedly the Kellogg's Corporation in Battle Creek, Michigan, looking for Tony Tiger, Tony the Tiger. We're stalking him. We're trying to get a picture with him. And it's just so weird and crazy and completely improvised, just like Waiting for Guffman.

And so, you know, because when when the closes, I've done stuff like Movie Parks and Rec. Yes. There's certainly a lot of great improvisational people who, you know, the top there, their game. But there was always sort of a structure. Well, the scripts were great. They were great. We shot the scripts ninety eight percent of the time, but then we would get a version where we could improv on the guest stuff.

Yeah. How is there any script? No outline.

How does an outline for show process. It looks just like a script and it'll say like a scene one exterior the the park Cauchy and so and so talk about the upcoming competition and that's it. And then it'll say no to Krissie and whatever. Jennifer Coolidge, his character's name, are discussing dog kennels in there, their championship poodle. And there are some plot points he'll want us to get in. And he told us who our characters were. He gave us a back story and then he turns over the wardrobe people to you and he says, how do you want your character to look?

And then you tell the wardrobe person and you shop with them.

And then the set designer comes over and says, what do you think your house looks like or what do you think your office looks like? And then they go off and build it. I mean, it's. Crazy, crazy, and and it's really kind of you are calling the shots Chris gives you certainly gives you some great information about your character and what has to happen in the movie. And we know what the series of scenes are going to be, but how it you how the character is expressed, how the character looks and sounds and acts and is all up to you.

And after a take, is there that moment where everybody huddles up and goes, OK, this was genius. Let's let's let's let's do another and do more in here and maybe let's move away from this part or the other people do that.

He's a very few words. But after we do like the master and he doesn't know what it's going to look like, it's just he rolls the camera, he rolls and he rolls and he rolls and you improvise and you're doing blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he'll finally yell cut and he'll say, very good. He might not even say very good. He'll say, we don't need this part. That when you talked about that, we don't need that.

We have to make sure we get this in every every shot and that's it. Let's just do it again. And the camera gets closer and closer and closer. And we've kind of decided what the master looks like. And then we just keep shooting that off at different angles. The camera getting closer and closer than that.

Sounds like heaven. It's fantastic. And it's not the hardest part about it is what you do to yourself and your brain, because it's really easy to do. And after about, oh, by the time I got to a mighty wind, I was much more relaxed about it. And I didn't stress so much about it because you feel like it's all up to you. But as long as you've done your acting homework, you know, your person is you know, you're wearing, you know, how you sound and what the person's point of view is.

You just show up. It's that it is that easy. But you just have you kind of have to pack heavy to get there.

You know, what I like of Chris is that people forget about is is I had Marty Short on and we were talking about it is the big picture picture.

Yeah. Yeah. That was fantastic. That was a lot different than what he does most of the time.

But he and Michael McKean wrote that those movies are just. I you have my I'm jealous, very jealous of that. How long have you been deaf in your your right ear? Just like me?

I was I had a really high fever as a baby and like an infant, and that's when we think it happened. How about you? Same thing. Same oh, wow. Yeah, like, by the way, even the way you describe it is exactly what my parents say. They now you like it is like a really high fever when you're an infant. Like, we think that's what had happened. I'm like, how about some more details?

Yeah. How about when did you know you were forthcoming? When did you realize it wasn't? Because I thought it was normal to hear out of one ear that I didn't say anything about it.

When did you realize I that my mom tells the story, but she knew something was wrong? It was before I could talk even orally, because she put the phone up to me to say hi to Grandpa. And there was like nothing going on in my face.

And she said all of a sudden she knew something was up.

She put the phone to the other side. I was like that. They did have it and then that. So apparently for me it happened like within the first year.

I was about eight years old. And you know what had happened when I was an infant and my brother remember transistor radios where you put it in your ear. It's just one thing. It's a it's an ear thing. And my brother was switching ears and I said, you can't do that. And my mom said, well, why can't he do that? You know, your ears hurry up. And I said, because you only hear out of one ear.

And she was like, nope. And I went into a delegate and they tested my hearing. And I overheard my mother talking to the doctor saying, will she live a normal life? And the doctors told me, my mom worried about things. Oh, that's that's that.

Nothing would instill good, solid feeling quite like will she live a normal, normal life?

And I was like. Yeah, and the doctor said, I'm sorry, you said no, you'll never hear the Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band in the dark side of the moon as they were meant to be heard. Exactly.

I always wonder, too, are we missing anything in terms of we do have stereo sound because the one ear we have is really good, but I wonder if we're missing everything.

I got news for you. I'm perfectly happy, very well-adjusted. You are too. But let's just be honest.

We're missing a fucking shit ton of stuff now because I love music. Is there more. No. No. What I think if we. If one day we could both here out of our other ears, first of all, I think our heads, our heads are going to explode.

Yes, I think so. That would literally explode. Yeah. And. And then the other thing is like I would finally be able to stop doing what I hate, so I come home and I go, hello? And they go, Hi, honey, I'm in here.

I go, I don't know where here is. I don't know where a sound comes from me. I don't know where the sound is coming from.

I have that too. I don't know where it's coming from. Like there will be a phone ringing and my phone and I have no idea where it's coming from.

Here's a good one for you. How about when those detectors in the ceilings, there's a beep.

Oh, you can find it and then you change the batteries and you don't know where they're coming from and worse.

And exactly. Here's the other thing is I'm convinced that people think I'm a dick because they're surely been untold times where people have come up to me on the street and got my bad ear.

Me too. And you to go out and be like, hey, I just want to say hello. And I don't even hear them, so I don't react. They must think I'm a total asshole yet.

My partner is always on the lookout for me. She'll hit me in the shoulder and go, She's talking to you. Oh, is he your right or left there?

Rob, it's I can hear out of my left. My right is the one that's gone.

Oh me too. Exactly the same. Same as. Yeah. And then how about when we're when we're doing acting and we have to talk on the phone.

Yeah. And they want you to use the phone on my ear. It feels like we haven't done it.

So I will literally put the phone receiver my forehead.

I have no muscle memory. Yeah. It feels weird on the wrong ear to nothing feels right about it.

No nothing. Yeah. I mean there somebody else famously was deaf in one ear.

It's there I think, I think we should be Cobbora. That's right. We should make it our own fun club. We should. How are you loving doing a Hollywood game night.

Oh yeah. You know it hasn't, we haven't done it in oh my God. Like a year. But we just did a quarantine edition where I shot it from my home and it's going to be on Tuesday. I'm sure these will. But this show will come out after it's been on. But I shot it in my house and we had six celebrities and we shot at their house. So it was all of us together and it went off without a hitch.

Technologically, it was really good. It worked out. And we raised money for Red Nose Day, which is, you know, that organization that lifts children out of poverty all over the world. It's a wonderful, wonderful organization.

Have you ever had anybody who was terrible at the game?

You're like, wow, I'm a big fan of this, but boy there, boy, that I never you know, so much. There have been a couple of people who were so self-conscious they never got into it. And only like two that I can think of that were, you know, everybody comes to have fun and it doesn't matter if you're good or bad. I don't even notice if you're good or bad. What I notice is how much fun you have at it.

And there have been a couple of people who have, you know, just could not loosen up and, you know, no amount of boos loosen them up. And but for the most part, everybody shows up and has a blast.

Who came up with the actual game? Hollywood game night? Yeah, we'll show.

Well, the show was Sean Hayes. You know, he has really. That's right. He has a wonderful game. Nights at his home. That's right. And they're always crazy. He made up the games himself and then he, you know, smart guy said, let's put this on television. And that's how I got the job. He's a smart dude, he's a smart dude. And you definitely don't want to be on the other side of him competitively on any kind of a game.

No, and he's on our show a few times. And he was on this one. And, yeah, he's he's great. He's the master. He's the original guy who makes up his own games. You know, he's we have a team on our show that make them up now. But when we're I would I would go to his house and have game night. He'd do the strangest, most wonderful games that he made up himself.

Who? Like when I have sports people on the show, I go name your top five basketball player, if you had to put together your your top. Celebrity game team Sean Hayes, for sure. Yeah, Sean Hayes, let's see it, Yvette Nicole Brown, she's brilliant. Anthony Anderson is really good. Who else is really, really good?

Kristen Bell. She was on our show the other day, too. She was so great. Yeah, she's wonderful. And she's really bright and and just. She's really good at it. Yeah.

Have you ever been on on a game show that wasn't your own? You ever been a contestant? Yes.

It's called Twenty Five Words or less and it's a Lisa Kudrow new show. And Dan Bucatinsky, I don't know if you know them. They're pretty. I love them. Yeah, of course. And it's on Fox and it's syndicated. And Meredith Vieira is the host and I've done probably 25 of them. It's syndicated. So they shoot like four or five in a day, maybe even six in a day. And I love it. It's off the top of your head.

Like it's like a fast thinking. The reference level is like you have to read People magazine. You have to know like pop culture and it's so much fun. I love it. Yeah, I love doing that show. I did.

And Lisa had this great show called Who Do You Think You Are. Yes. Which is the genealogy show. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh my God.

It was one of the great experiences of my life. They come to you and they say, so it's a genealogy show. We're going to explore your family tree.

Right. And we're going to take like however long it takes to do it. Yeah, it may take us a year.

It may take us nine months. We don't know.

But if we find something, we'll come back to you. Are you willing to do the show which would require you then to travel potentially for eight days?

Yeah, yeah. And I was like I put it off like, how do you schedule it? I don't. And I put it off and put it off. And I finally said I would do it.

And a year, a year later, yeah, they came back, said your episodes ready, get a passport and you are going to pack for cold weather. Oh, my God. And it's all you know. Yeah. Yeah, it's all you know. And I went to LAX. You don't know where you're going. I flew to Washington, DC, and they I went to the the Library of Congress and then I went.

Then I had to fly to Germany.

And the long and short of it was just and the the sort of mystery and the misdirects of how you get there is the beauty of it. But the long and short of it was that my five time great grandfather was conscripted into the Haitian mercenary army out of Feresten Hogg and Germany.

I went and saw the house he lived in. I saw the church records from sixteen hundred. He arrived in Manhattan in 1776 and fought against George Washington at the Battle of Trenton, where Washington crossed the Delaware. Oh, my God. He was a. Where were three future presidents and the first member of the Supreme Court?

My my five times great grandpa was taken prisoner and then was given his freedom if he would become an American citizen and then ended up raising money for the American revolutionary troops and thereby making me a son of the American Revolution in the most roundabout way imaginable. That's crazy.

It is crazy. Do you know they did my stuff, too, and they didn't find anything interesting enough to see that that's true, that they don't like the story.

They don't do it. And you know, their friends, you would think they would want to do this for their friends. And they didn't think they'd make something up. Exactly. They said we just didn't find anything. So, you know, because now on my appetite was whetted and so had my agent get a hold of the your roots people finding your roots on PBS. Yes. Henry Gates and I did one with them. And it was it was fun and interesting, but nothing there wasn't a big story.

There wasn't there was no I mean, there might be who knows? You have to really look into it. But there wasn't anything. I'm probably the most interesting person. So maybe 100 years from now, somebody will look back. And did you know this girl who was in The Fugitive?

Is your great, great, great aunt a fugitive? Yeah, the fugitive.

And we'll be right back after this.

I want to do with you, with what I do is some some I don't do this with all the guests I only use with some of the guests and you qualify you think you have qualified to make it into because it's all the talk about games, I think is what's piqued my interest in doing a round of questions called the low down.

Oh, low down. I get it. That's so clever, right.

Isn't it clever. Isn't it just it's just I mean, because I've never no one's ever used that ever when writing about me now. No.

So I'm, I'm, I, I've reclaimed the phrase for myself. There you go. And so I think the first question is Rolling Stones or Beatles.

Beatles. That was quick. There was no no, you know, I love the Beatles so much, and I think they went they were they did such a vast variety of music.

And I like the Rolling Stones, but I don't love them. I haven't been attracted to them the way I feel about the Beatles.

Well, speaking of attracted, that goes right to the next question. Has there ever been a cartoon character that you wanted to have sex with?

Yeah, because for me. For me, just I'm not asking you something I wouldn't ask myself or that I haven't thought of myself.

Yes. Yes.

For me, it was without question the purple eyed cat in the Aristocats.

So you were really. I was that cat. I was six and it was maybe it was the Shasha Gabor's voice, I think. Oh, sure. Now I felt that being of the lesbian persuasion, I liked Natasha from Boris and Natasha. Oh, I'll bet you did. She was just very sexy and very dangerous and and sort of goth before there was.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That kind of Eastern European goth, right?

Yes. And she's also it turns out I love Greta Garbo. She had kind of a voice like Greta Garbo, like one that just did Russian. Greta Garbo was Swedish, but there was that throaty kind of sexy thing that she slit your own throat. How about this?

What's the worst review you've ever gotten? Oh, I did. I was in a Shakespeare company in Chicago and it was Richard the third. And I played the the mother. I forget what her name was, but it's usually a part that is cut because it is so verbose and over the top. And the reviewer from the Chicago reader said after Jane Lynch's monologues, there was none of the none of the set remains because she had eaten it all.

But. That's a good one, but I see that I think that's also I'm not I'm not sure that's a bad review, though, I got to say, is a disinterested third party.

Right. I'm not sure that's a bad review.

I think that's like like I could say, after Alec Baldwin's always be closing speech in Glengarry Glen Ross, there was no set left.

Alec had eaten at all. At all. And that was masterful, though.

That was quite masterful. How about you if you had a really terrible review? Oh, well, I have two of them. I remember there was a critic named Molly Haskell that everybody she was like the she was on the sort of level of of of.

You know, Janet Maslin, who liked me, always liked me, Janet Maslin, but Molly Haskell did not. Molly Haskell in a review begged me to stop worrying so much rouge when you weren't William, because you've got you've got that natural.

I was I have never worn rouge unless it was in my private life. I there's never been Roug on screen.

I also got I remember picking up Newsweek to to to see I knew there's going to be a review of a movie I did called Class with Jack Lemmon shot in Chicago.

Incidentally, I remember that at the Lake Forest Academy and I knew the review wasn't going to be good when the headline in the table of Contents said Class A Vile Concoction, Page 73.

It's not going to be. Not going to be. Is not going to be good. I'm not going to go. If you which would you rather see a UFO? Ghost or Bigfoot, and would you tell anybody, yeah, this is the hard hitting questions you get here on this show. What's great about that question is I have kind of gone down the rabbit hole of UFOs in the last oh, I'm in the rabbit hole with you.

So if you open this fucking Pandora's box, you better be down to clown James.

Yes, I would say UFO. I'd be scared to death. But did you do you ever watch Joe Rogan and he interviewed this guy Lazaar. I forget his first probables, Bob Lazaar.

Yeah. He's like he's like like it's like Michael Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. And another guy that was in the Navy, I forget what his name was, Commander something or other, and he saw a UFO flying a plane. But yeah, I, I've gotten into it. I watched the movie about Lazaar and this is like in the last week so. Yes.

UFO for sure before OK, before I forget I think it's on Netflix above Majestic. OK, it's a documentary called Above Majestic.

It's UFO I stumbled upon. It's all of it. I can't even begin to tell you what it is, but the phrase above majestic is way above top secret.

And it is it makes Bob Lozar look like Mr. Rogers.

Wow, that's amazing. OK, but if you saw a UFO, would you tell anybody? I tell you, Rob, because on a podcast so nobody would know it, so nobody would.

So we can keep it between ourselves.

What if the reason that we can only hear out of one ear is because we've been abducted from the special chosen ones?

I mean, do you ever think about Vanney call me superstitious or conspiracy theories? You know, I don't know. I think there's probably some alien out there using the hearing from our right ear.

That is it. Mm hmm. That is it. I think you're right.

I have one who if you could take one drug as much as you wanted, whenever you wanted, with no negative side effects or judgments and nobody would know, what would it be?

Oh, boy. You know, I'm not a big drug person, but I do. I am for putting them on. You know, I've never done ayahuasca and I've never done this mushroom type situation. Psilocybin, I would I would like to do and go on some trips, know the ayahuasca training trips with with some psilocybin or ayahuasca and and have my mind blown but not die.

That's the problem, because you you hear stories about it where people have had amazing experiences and then you hear it's like the cautionary tale where you they did it once and they were never the same.

Yeah.

And, you know, I don't think that happens a lot. I don't know, maybe I listen to Joe Rogan. He's a big, big advocate for it.

But yeah, I, I, I just celebrated my 30th year sober.

Oh. So at least on my thank you.

So all my all my, my, my drug experimenting and all that is very much in the past for me. So I can look at it with a sort of different perspective. But the only thing that I miss is a good mushroom experience only about once a year because it knocks the shit out of you kind of does it.

I just laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed.

Yeah, OK. Well, you know, maybe, you know, I'm sober as well. And I was sober for about twenty seven years and then I took wow. And then I took three years of drinking wine and I did OK, but I needed to get sober again from it. I kind of went into some denial and now I'm sober again for I guess a couple of years. But you know, when you add it all up, that's about 30 years.

Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah.

Well, that's amazing because I was it's so funny you say that because I this the wine thing that started, it wasn't around.

My my era was go go 80s, and it was like kamikazes and fucking Heineken's and blow and then and then but then all of a sudden this whole wine obsession happened.

And I like the new tequila. That's another thing that was not happening for me. There was Cuervo Gold. That was it, right in there. So you had like Steely Dan song, the Cuervo Gold, the fine Colombian make tonight. A wonderful thing. Yeah, that was it. Now there's this fabulous there's all this stuff that I quote unquote missed me too.

So I've always thought about what it would be like to maybe go back and sample it.

So how how was your your your wine sampling?

Well, you know, wine is an amazing thing. And I started out, you know, just being, you know, tasting and then over three years, but probably the last year and a half I was drinking alcoholically. And how quickly you go into denial, even with what at the time is 27 years of sobriety in me, I managed to fool myself for probably about a year and a half that I was fine and I wasn't. And, you know, I have a partner who was like at one point she said, OK, so you're a drinker now.

And I was like, what are you talking about?

Wine with dinner, but wine with dinner was like four or five glasses. But I was I was telling myself that I wasn't doing that. So anyway, it was a pretty quick descent into denial that there was about a year and a half where, you know, I would drink wine one day and not the next.

But then, you know, yeah, it's it's funny for me, like they say, that our addiction, no matter how many years we have sober, it's always in the hallway doing push ups.

And it's true. I'm here to tell you it's true.

It's just this is amazing to hear. I mean, because you very rarely meet people with that amount of time.

Yeah. Who go and decide to go in an experiment a little bit with it. Mm hmm.

Yeah, I because I in and I relate to the slippery slope I got. I was directing in Canada about two years ago and there was a terrible like cold flu, whatever going going around and, and a cough.

And so I got cough syrup. What I didn't realize was in Canada, the cough syrup has codeine in it. Yeah. Yeah. And I was I was such a little happy clam running home after rap.

Turn all the lights off and take that and listen to listen to James Taylor and drink my Shazier Up. I couldn't wait. Yeah.

Couldn't wait to hear you know copper line and just be whacked. Yeah.

On my cough syrup and then you go Oh I see how this would play out.

Yep. I was a Nyquil person too before I got sober. I was taking Nyquil all the time to sleep and I got really, really sick in about 2000 and I took some Nyquil and I although I didn't go out and start drinking, I saw, I saw that. Oh, I could, I can totally. This could accelerate easily. Easily.

I don't like getting sick, but if I'm going to get sick, I cannot wait to have my Nyquil.

Can't wait. Yeah. Yeah. Oh that's soft cotton.

I mean if you see this is like if you have never had any doubt about like are we adic alcoholics is like normal people are like it's fucking Nyquil. What's wrong with you.

We're like you don't really know. Right. Exactly.

It was cute. I my my my 30th birthday and my, my, my family made me like a cake and like it was it was really it was, it was really, really, really, really cool.

It was, it was a it was a fun thing. I'm I'm glad you're back amongst us.

Yeah, I'm glad to. Yeah. And you know, it was I got to tell you, I it was like the first time I got sober, it was really like an act of grace. It wasn't something that I had to work for. It was like all of a sudden it happened and I was struck sober and I went, OK, I am not going to I am so grateful for this. And I get it. I got the message.

And thank you for making it so easy to let it go again, because it was easy. It just happened. I was really lucky. I didn't have to suffer that.

That is I was the same. I got it the first time knocking on wood. But it's good to hear to be vigilant because it really is true.

It's like you can it's always it's just I think it's a part of our job.

Well, I think it's kind of scientifically proven that it's kind of a part of our genetic makeup, don't you think?

Yeah, I think that, you know, like my sister and brother have no problem with it, but I do. So it's, you know, my it's the it's my individual. A profile that isn't necessarily a part of my families, but I got it, I know I got it. Yeah, I got it.

And then. And then. And then it morphs. I like to say it's like whack a mole. You pound it down here and then it pops up over here and some other like new like, oh, you know what, I think be a good idea to gamble all my money away. That would be awesome.

Or if I can knock that down, you know what you need to do? You need to eat yourself to death via Haagen-Dazs. Exactly.

That's what I will transfer it into. Full on to food or coffee. And you know what? So what about coffee? That's fine. Oh, OK.

Let's talk about coffee. So I saw that and thing. It says Jane Lynch is addicted to coffee. How addicted to coffee do you need to be to end up on my background saying you're addicted to coffee? You know what?

I'm I'm an addict, so I don't do anything halfway. And that includes coffee. It is everything to me. It gets me out of bed in the morning. It's good.

I got it. I got the work and I'm holding this is my afternoon one iced coffee. Yeah, this is my afternoon one too. So I look forward to it in the afternoon and sometimes I go to bed at night no earlier going. The sooner I get up, the sooner I get to go to Kingsgrove Cafe and get my coffee and I love it. It's my favorite thing in the world to do and it never fails to work.

You and I think exactly alike. We're like, I go to bed thinking about when I can wake up and have my coffee.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

We're like isomerism we got a lot in common, you know, Midwestern, deaf in one ear, coffee, freak out chocoholic and amazing how much.

Coffee, can you give me your regimen, because then I'll give you mine, we'll see who's more addicted. Let's say I order two in the morning so I get two hot ones and I get bravas. I get two too hot brevis I put one in the car and then I walk through the neighborhood with one. So I have two. And then when I, when I get out of bed I have one too.

So that's my third by seven o'clock and then I will, I will have one at one or two and, and then I'll have like a decaf at around like five or six o'clock and I'll try not to have another decaf until I fall asleep because if I even decaf keeps me awake, if I'm, if I'm not careful I can do like espresso at dinner and be fine.

Oh wow. Good for you. Not me. Oh I wish I could do that. Yeah I can do that.

I so I do a triple espresso.

When I, when I wake up I if I'm on the set I'll do another triple espresso sometime during the day.

Yeah. Five o'clock, five, six o'clock is another triple espresso.

So we're looking at nine espressos right there and and that's if I'm kind of OK, if I'm really off the rails it could be worse.

And if I'm really trying to keep it together, maybe I don't have anything after three.

Yeah, yeah. No, I hear you. That's great. Too good.

Well, this has been so fun. I thank you so much for this. This was a great a great way to spend an afternoon.

You're your you're a champ for coming and sitting in with all of us here. So has really, really fun.

And we talked to Christopher Guest and tell him to put me in one of the movies, please.

Yeah, well, you know, he they're everybody's famous now that he works with. So he's going to have to work. That's right. I'm too famous. I forgot my face is fucking me up again.

God darn it. I'll wear a bag over my head. There you go. Over mask. Yeah, you might have to. Yeah, I might have to. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah.

All right. Thank you so much. You were amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Take care for sure. Right. Well, now I'm going to go and drink a ton of coffee.

I'm going to here's the good bonus, I'm enjoying a ton of coffee, I'm not going to drink wine. That's the takeaway, this is a gift for me, I don't have to try an experiment. With anything, that's what I got from Jane, I'm not kidding, actually, I think it's amazing. Anyway, I hope you had as much fun as I did, and I will see you next time on literally with me, Rob. You have been listening to literally with Rob Lowe, produced and engineered by me, Devon Tory Bryant, executive produced by Rob Lowe for low profile Adam Sachs and Jeff Ross at Team Coco and Colin Anderson and Chris Bannon at Stitcher.

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