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You're listening to believe you me with Michael the Count Bisbing-No my name yet. And Anthony Lionhardt-Smith. I'll do it as we're going, but I ran into Perillo in Rockhold.

Yeah. Is this fit for the show or is it private?

That's what I was trying to figure out. I'll go on real quick. Well, we had a good time, but Luke reached out to my manager and wanted to meet up and have a drink and make amends. But this picture is hilarious. It's where there's this big mural behind us, and it's me just smiling for the picture. It's like our commemoration picture, and he's got a banana in his hand, and he's all the way on this.

It's staying in the show. Well, that was nice and very I'm sure of him to reach out.

Yeah, he's actually not a bad guy. We talked through some of the bullshit, and I think we figured out why we had such a bad beef. Let me fix my camera right here. Yeah, it was good. It was actually good. He was enjoyable to talk to. I actually enjoyed myself. But the picture was bad timing, where he had a big old banana in his hand.

Yeah, no, I know. Just biting into it, looking old sexual, looking at the camera, posing whilst taking a bite of a banana. No, Well, Luke's a good guy. Luke's a good guy. Fair play to him. I'll tell you what was good, though, this past weekend of fights. Ufc 299, one of the best events in recent memory. In fact, I'm struggling to think of a better night fight that I enjoyed more, even though obviously I'm good friends with Marlon Vera. He didn't enjoy seeing that. And Garner getting flat-lined, didn't enjoy seeing that, but it was still impressive. It was still an insane event, an insane I don't know. What's the word?

I don't know. It was a big deal. It felt big. It was a big abandon. I don't know. It felt big the whole time I was there. God, I worked so hard, though. I felt like I didn't get enough sleep. I was just working. I felt like we did a billion shows. It was just so much hype and attention.

Oh, you were doing a lot of shows. You were live streaming with Daniel Cormier on a Tuesday.

I have no idea how that What happened?

The Encanu fight was- This guy's cheating on me. I'm doing a live on mine for the Encanu fight, just like fight companion type thing. You're there living it up DC, Cory Sandagen, Anthony Smith. Who's Two of the mixed martial arts. I'm sitting here with my wife, Billy Noomates over here. And then on the chat, someone's like, Oh, FYI, DC is doing a live stream as well. So I look at DC because someone was talking crap about how many people were watching his and watching So I went on it and I looked at everyone like, What the hell? Anthony Smith. And then two minutes later, you FaceTime me. It was hilarious.

Yeah, it was. I don't know how that happened, though. This is the most DC shit ever. I come downstairs to meet my manager to watch the Angano fight with him. But when I come down into the first room, it's just all the ESPN staff, the camera people, the lighting people, the sound people, all the people I typically hang out with. And then I don't see Lloyd. So I asked Sarah, Where's Lloyd at? Oh, he's in the back room, Sandhagen's over there. Okay, well, I'll go say hi to Lloyd, and I'll come back and hang out with my friends. And then I walk in the room, and DC's got a whole camera set up. He's got microphones. He's got all this shit set up. Cory Sandhagen is sitting on this couch with him. And so as soon as I walk in, this is where the most DC thing comes in. Oh, Anthony, come over here and sit down. Okay, well, I'll sit down for a second and chat with DC. Next thing I know, Sandhagen leaves, and it's just me and DC for the rest of the fight. I was like, Well, this wasn't the plan.

Well, fortunately for you, it didn't last very long. I guess we'll start with that because Francis ain't gone. Fair play to him what he did against Tyson Furie, shocked the world looked impressive, made a fortune, made a ton of money. So I'm happy for him in that regard. I guess Anthony Joshua When the fight started, I was like, oh. And by the way, I was all... I was balls deep on N'Garnu. I was like, he's going to win this fight. He impressed me so much against Tyson Furie. I guess I was just carried away by the romance of At the moment. Do you know what I mean? I was like, We could do it. We could do it. He's one of us. Yeah, no, that was far from the truth. To be fair, what happened there is what should happen when a mixed martial arts fight one of the very best boxers on the planet. And Garnu started aggressive, started throwing a few shots. I was like, Whoa, he looks confident. He looks skilled. He looks fast. And on the flip side, Joshua was just taking his time. Just chill, chill, chill. And that's the difference right there, because in Garnu, He physically can throw shots.

Is he coordinated enough to where he can throw a good punch and all the rest of it? Of course he can. But it's not about that. It's about looking at your opponent and waiting and seeing what he gives you, looking for the openings. I'm going to throw Love his right-hand. As soon, look at his patterns, look at his movement patterns. All right, okay, now I've got you. And he just waited. That first shot that he threw. Absolutely perfect. Boom, sat him down, same in round two. And then the follow-up, just to To be honest, you got to admire that. It was beautiful, beautiful at the time and in the power of that.

Yeah, Joshua looked incredible. Even physically, he looked really fast, faster than maybe we I've seen him in the past, but it seems to me, Anthony Joshua took Francis Zagano a whole lot more serious maybe than Tyson Ferry did. Maybe that's what we have to maybe accept a little bit, that maybe Tyson Fury slept on Francis just a tad. I think we have done that to a point. But you're right, that's exactly what should have happened in the Tyson Fury fight. But to be fair, Tyson Furry and Anthony Joshua are two completely different styles of fighters. Tyson Furry is more of an accumulation guy. Not that he doesn't have the one-punch knockout power, but Francis has always been known to have a good chin. And I think in order to do that to Francis, you're going to have to have the type of speed and power that Anthony Joshua has. I think just that style. I still think that Francis Tyson were to fight again, I think it would be competitive. I really do. Just because I think the styles make for different fights. Anthony Josh was just as big, hits just as hard as Francis, but also has the athleticism and the speed and just that overall, just his athleticism makes it different.

And it was sad, but I don't feel that sad for Francis.

No.

He made $20 million. So I know it sucks. It's embarrassing. Got some egg on your face right now. You still have great opportunities ahead of you, and you made an absolute shit ton of money. So hats off to Francis and Gunner.

Yeah, fair play. I mean, how could you not like the guy afterwards? I saw Clint doing the rounds where they asked him if the knockout hurt or something, and he's like, I didn't feel it. And he said, That's the beauty of a knockout. And I must admit, for example, when I got knocked out of UFC 100 against Dan Henderson, didn't feel a thing. And then afterwards, I wasn't even sore. My jaw wasn't hurting or anything like that. Yeah, put me to sleep, didn't know where I was for a bloody hours. But that is the benefit of getting sparked out cold.

You're not present.

Five rounds, like Cheeto did, and we'll get to that in a little bit. And congratulations to Sean O'Malley. Yeah, that hurt. But the one punch knockout, boom. And it wasn't one, it was two or three big ones. But yeah, they don't hurt. But the fact that he was able to laugh and be self-deprecating and laugh at his own demise, if you will, it's endearing. It really is. So fair play to him. I thought Anthony Joshua handled himself with absolute class. He didn't even really celebrate. And I guess that was because, as we know, as we just said, that's what should happen.

Yeah, he probably was like, That's exactly how this should win. If it went any other way, then I messed up.

Yeah. And it's because Tyson Fury, as we saw, he did come into that one very heavy. And even though he said at the time that he trained, you got to understand, Anthony Joshua, this is a compliment, not an insult. He's an athlete, and the man takes his career very seriously. Yeah, of course, he's a fighter. Of course, he is. But Tyson Fury is the type of guy that ballooned up to over £400. He was addicted to drugs. He was partying and all this stuff. He had a problem with alcohol and whatnot. And you can see he's probably still that Jack the lad, for want of a better word. He's still one of the boys. He'll still get down. He'll still probably They have a little party. I don't know if he does, but I'm sure he does a little bit. Whereas Anthony Joshua, I've seen after his fight, he's having a recovery swim on Sundays. I'm still hung over on a Sunday. I am going near a gym. But Anthony Joshua is counting his calories and going for a brisk walk.

He's a consummate professional. I thought it was really cool how he handled himself afterwards as far as the post he made. I don't think that he enjoys He's shutting down Francis' hype train like that. I don't think that he enjoys... Of course, he wants to win, and if you have to choose, it's going to be him. If it's me or him, he's going to choose me every time. But I don't think that that means he enjoys stopping the rise of somebody else. I gained a lot of respect for Anthony Josh. At times, I thought he was a bit of a pussy, the way that he negotiates some of his... I'm just being honest. He's a businessman. He's a businessman, and he's an athlete, and he takes He makes everything, he approaches everything in that way. I think sometimes as fans, we want people just to be fighters and go step in and put themselves in rough spots and see what happens. And he refuses to do that. It bothers me sometimes. Listen, I tell you who did have A little bit of egg on his face.

Tyson Furie, when they cut to his face, he was standing in the crowd and he looked embarrassed. He looked like a little sulky. You know what I mean? Not talking shit. He's a legend. He's a great boxer. He's still got a great future, and he's had incredible career, and he's undefeated.

But-he needed Francis to do well.

He needed Francis to do well. He got sparked out, right? With every punch that Joshua landed, it connected and hurt him. That stinks, especially when you understand how much shit Tyson Furie has talked about Francis Zingan, who just calls him a bodybuilder and stuff like that. But even still in that moment, Joshua didn't lower himself to having a go at Tyson Furious. And again, all class, all That's what I want. Because he's a better man than me. Imagine the same situation. I'd have been like, Yo, Tyson, I see you there, buddy. What do you think of that? What do you think? You almost got beat. You got dragged. You got dropped. You were embarrassed. I just stood up for boxing.

This guy's not even awake yet. That's what I wanted to say. Oh my God. He was out forever.

He was on oxygen for crying out loud.

I know. I would have said that and said, This guy about beat the shit out of you, and someone else is helping him get some more air. Oh, dear. But either way, I don't want to talk bad about Francis. No. Hats off to him. He did one of those daring greatly things, and I'll never talk shit about someone that does that. He made a shit ton of money. It's a life-changing experience he had in two fights. That guy's winning. He's winning in life.

He's won. I think he got like six million against Furie, 20 for that one. That's 26 million on top of the money that he before. So yeah, God bless him. Good for him. Well done. He might still have some opportunity to box some names, like a Deontay Wilder.

Wilder is still there. Wilder is still on that table.

Maybe like a Derek Chesara and Andy Ruiz. There's probably still some opportunity for him to get some big paydages. Nothing like that, though. I don't think they were putting top of the bill, marquee, stuff like that. But maybe on the undercard, maybe still get some- Maybe a Coman.

Yeah. They don't really do that in boxing. What do they call them instead of Coman? Is it Komei? Is it Komei? Is it Komei?

Featured Bout?

Support, whatever. I don't remember. But either way, like one of the fights right before the- We'll go with Komei. We'll go with Komain. We'll call it that. We'll call it that. I don't know what it's actually called.

Well, well done to Anthony Joshua. Well done to Francis N'Garnu. And hopefully, we'll see him back in mixed martial arts soon. Anyway, moving on because UFC 299 happened at the weekend, and we are all about that. As I said at the start, what a night of fights. Just unbelievable. That main card was absolutely phenomenal. We got to start with the main event. Cheeto Bear, as we know, historically has been a slow starter, and that has cost him on occasion. Parillo told me that was a big focus of the camp. I thought, given all the buzz, given the opportunity, fighting for the title, given the fact that Ecuadorians were all over the place and hyping him up, I thought he was going to come out a bit more aggressive. But it's hard to do that against somebody so skilled as Sean O'Malley because he has got better with every single fight. Every time we see him, he's improved, he is faster, he's more powerful, he's hitting harder, he's planting his feet, the footwork's improved, the shot selection, the way he buries the attacks, everything. So it was really hard for Marlin to get going because he just wasn't there counter.

He wasn't there to hit with the length, with the speed, and then the in and out movement. Jon O'Malley was utterly phenomenal.

It was magical to watch. And again, Tito, obviously, we got a lot of love for Cheto, so that was tough to watch, but man, I cannot discredit. I don't know that Cheto did a whole lot wrong because it looked like he tried to start fast, and O'Malley just did a really good job of just managing the distance. And I think Chiel made a good point of this. We talk about managing distance all the time in this game. You got to manage the distance. He manages the range. It's been a long time since I've seen someone do it as well as Sean O'Malley did on Saturday night. He always kept something in that gray area that always kept Cheto not able to advance. He attacked his legs early, went to the body early. Cheto's got an iron chin on him. But whether you can take him or not, you don't want to. They don't feel great. So he just He constantly gave... He made Chido think way more than he wanted to. Chido does really well when he gets in that flow state, and he just is moving forward. He's marching forward. He's taking ground from people and putting heavy shots on him.

And at times, he was able to do that towards the end of the round. I thought O'Malley, who I believe at times has had some conditioning issues. I don't want to say conditioning issues, but he hasn't managed it as well. I thought he managed his energy really, really well. Towards the end of the round, you could tell he was taking the foot off the gas a little bit to conserve it. And then Chito was able to push forward and put some shots on him towards the end of the rounds. But I really can't take anything away from Chito. I really can only build up Sean O'Malley.

I guess in terms of what he did wrong, and that seems like a bitchy term to use, but there were some things he could have done better for sure, because he clearly showed he had the ability to hurt him. And when he did pull the trigger and go for it, the problems he had is he's not as fast, he's not as tall or long. Yeah, he's not as fast and he's not as long, but he's got more power. And when he did go, he would hurt him Every single time. So what he needed to do was to have that initial attack, but then go again, continue and maintain the pressure, because anytime he did that, Sean O'Malley wouldn't fall apart because he can fight going backwards. But when you're under pressure, you can't You're not in control. You're not having a good time. Most of the time O'Malley was at range. He was safe. He was fine. He was picking him apart. He was using the straight shots, coming up the middle with the knees, the head kicks, whatever. When Vera would If he had to attack, that changes. All of a sudden, he's in a defensive posture.

He's not attacking, he's backing up, and Chito was hitting him. What he had to do then was then go again, continue and maintain that pressure. Of course, easier said than done, but that's what he has to do. He had to go more. I understand that.

Well, I think he's got to give him more to look at, too. I think for anybody that's going to beat Sean O'Malley, you got to give him more things than just the ones and the twos to worry about. I think that Chito could have done a better job attacking his legs low. And at least, I'm not saying that there's any chance that that same situation is going to happen like it happened in the first fight. It's very unlikely, but at least slow him down a little bit. Attack his footwork, like And Sean did a good job in the first couple of rounds of every time Chido, if Chido was Orthodox, Sean would go southbound. And if Chido would switch to go to the kick, then Sean would switch. So he always stayed in the opposite stance of Chido on purpose. And I believe that's to protect his legs, but he's a bit of a liability at his legs. If you can chop those down just a little bit and just take a little bit of heat off of his footwork, I think that would have been successful. And not that Cheto is a great wrestler or known to be a wrestler.

At least the attempts will give Sean O'Malley something else to look at.

As you say, your words is weak in the legs. There's a give and a take, isn't it? In everything. If you're tall and you're long, you're going to have skinny legs. So therefore, they can't take as much damage and maybe not quite as powerful. That said, when you wrap those skinny legs around somebody, they hurt more. If you're extremely explosive, then you're not going to have as good cardio. Do you know what I mean? If you're really strong, there's always a given and take. So the There's a positive there for Cheetah, and there's many positives, by the way, yet, tall and long, but it does have somewhat toothpick-esque legs. That will be probably not.

I think there's some give and a take in Sean's style as well. I don't necessarily know that it's 100% the size of his legs. A lot of it's his style. If you're tall and rangey and you do a really good job with these straight punches and you're a sniper on the outside, you do have to set your feet when you go. If If that's the type of style that you fight, then you're going to be a little bit susceptible to leg kicks because you're planted. If you're really good at checking leg kicks, you're not necessarily going to have the same power and speed with your hands because you're not anchored to the ground. So And it's the same problem that I'm running into now, trying to figure out how to weave in and out of those two stances, because what I really want to do is anchor myself and shoot those straight shots from the outside while people are figuring out, or have figured out, if you attack my leg, then I have to change that. I have to start moving around more. If I'm anchored, I'll knock anybody out, but I can't do that anymore.

So now I'm starting to check the leg kicks and stuff, but I don't have the same power in my hands like I used to because I'm not centered to the ground anymore. And I think Sean is doing a really good job of figuring that out. He uses the stance, which is a lot to throw off the leg kicks. I thought that that was really interesting how him and his team, instead of worrying about checking the leg kicks, they just go in and out of Southponds, Orthodox. So we'll go to Orthodox, bang people up a little bit, and then as soon as they think that kick is going to start coming, they'll switch back. I thought that they had a really great game plan. And so I don't want to... I guess I'm saying this because I don't want to take too much away from Chito because I thought he fought really well with what he has, and he obviously could have done some things different and better. We can Monday morning quarterback it all day. But I thought that Sean O'Malley's game plan, execution, and his growth since even his last fight was a lot more than I think anybody expected.

Without question, it's more a case of what O'Malley did well, because you only got to take one look at that, not even as a trained fighter and see, wow, that guy there is extremely skilled and polished.

That guy is fucking good.

Yeah, he's fucking good. I would have liked to have seen more head movement. I would have liked to see more parries and slips and stuff from Cheeto. We could go on all day. But as I said, it was more about what O'Malley did. Tell you what, though, Cheeto, what a chin. Unbelievable, man. I mean, that knee 3 in round two, the sound of that was sickening. It really was. And now we stayed on the feet, continued to fight, nearly got him out of there with the final punch of the fight to the liver in round five. That's what I'm saying. I was talking about it on my YouTube channel. I think when Chido watches that back, he's going to hate it. He's going to be annoyed and disappointed with himself. He could have done a bit more, but as we say, it's easy for us to say because we weren't the ones in there, and I thought he showed the heart of a lion. He should still be very proud of himself. Yeah, okay, it wasn't a perfect fight. Rarely are they. The problem was he was fighting somebody in Amali that did have a perfect night.

He was about perfect.

A perfect night.

That was about perfect. It really was. Listen, yeah, okay, Chito got through, but it was still a pretty perfect night. I guess a really tough opponent in Chito. I mean, his stop just went through the roof. It did. I mean, he talked about living up to the moment, became the champion, knocked out Aljimane Sterling, beats Cheeto Vera in an utterly convincing fashion, getting more and more powerful. I mean, those right hands, they were vicious. The jabs, the head kicks, everything about him, the evolution from when he first started. And it makes you have a bit more respect for guys like Chris Matinho and Tomás Almeida, and the guys that have stopped in the past because you think, Shit, the man has got some serious power. Ilea Teporia, Dana, send a jet. I'm going to Spain. I'm looking for Ilea Teporia.

Yeah, easy, easy, easy. Hold on. Give me your thoughts on that. Well, I think just generally as a fan, I'd like to see both of these guys fight in their own divisions for a little bit first. I would hate to hold up two divisions that are thriving right now. 135 is a hotbed right now. So So let's not build this thing up and then put the brakes on it so we can have this double champ thing. I understand why he wants that, and I support all the success in the world and all the money-making opportunities for Sean O'Malley, but there's Umar Namak and Metoff, there's Cory Sandhagen, there's Marab. It's a mess right now in a good way. And I think 145 is heating up as well. There's a couple of pretty good contenders there I'm sure that there's a Max Holloway fight that's about to happen. I would be shocked if Max Holloway beats Justin Gechi and it doesn't get a title shot. I think there's a couple of other really interesting opportunities for Ilia. And I don't I don't think Teporea would do that to Marab because they are so close.

Oh, yeah. The Georgian connection, the both Georgians. I agree. I agree with everything that you're saying. In no way am I advocating for Sean O'Malley to step up. I think this should be a hard and fast rule unless there's no clear-cut contenders. You're going to defend about three times before you move up. But just if we're playing in the spirit of devil's avocado, think about it like this. Sean O'Malley gets the jet from Dana, flies off to Spain, we have the fight. Relatively quick turnaround because he just fought as well. That gives Volkanovski a bit more time to rest and recover. And just for the sheer spectacle of I love it. If they could do it quick, I wouldn't necessarily... Listen.

Who wins?

You got to fight the contenders. Of course you do. We know that. But if they're willing to do it quickly, quickly, so the rest of the division doesn't have to wait. Marab just fought. You know what I mean?

He can hang out for a minute.

He just fought. If they're willing to do it quick, get the jet, book it. Who wins? What's it called? Burnabout Arena. Iliya supported it. Sugar, Sean O'Malley. Sugar, Sean O'Malley is probably going to get beat. Let's beat. But I don't know. I mean, after seeing that Saturday night, I don't know. It's easy to say that because Vokunovsky is a shorter guy.

Yeah.

Tepore is a shorter guy. Getting past those hands, man. They are lightning. They are quick.

I think if he can avoid the big shot, my God, the grappling of Teporea, that's what I was talking about with Cheto, is giving him some more things to worry about. Teporea mixes it up so well. He's grappling, he's shooting, he's attacking the legs, he's a great boxer, crazy power in his hands. He's the full package. I think at times, Cheto... And I think it was just the way that he fought. He fought a little bit limited game, which is tailor-made for Sean O'Malley style of fight because look what he did to Aljo. Aljo didn't have the ability to just strike with him. And if you only got one thing to really worry about, it makes it for an easier fight. It's predictable. But I'm not saying I wouldn't watch it. I would watch the absolute shit out of that.

He was the one that just came out and was talking shit? Ben Ascren said something about-I love Ben, but what was he talking about? What did he say? Is it relevant to this fight? I think he was talking about Sugar Sean O'Malley. He said, Remember, Sean O'Malley lost I was someone, an O'Malley came out and said, Yeah, remember, you got knocked out of Jake Paul. I can't remember what it was.

Ben Ascren can't say shit to anybody because that's what everyone's going to come back with. Even if he's right.

Yeah, but I forget what it was, why he was talking shit to our Mally, but still. Congratulations O'Malley, man. I mean, he called it, didn't he? I hate to say it. He manifested this. Everyone's manifesting from everything, okay? If you're working towards something, you're trying to make it a reality. So stop saying that. Just say, I'm working on it. It's like the buzzword, isn't it? Everyone's saying, I manifested this. What you mean you made a conscious effort to work at something- No one manifestsests a loss. Yeah, I'm manifesting this.

Yeah, that's what happened. I manifested this That's the only reason it happened.

Sugar Sean O'Malley, is he one of the biggest stars in the UFC right now?

I think so. I was actually really impressed with the amount of Ecuadorian support that Chido had.

They were changing. How would you put it here? Sorry. He said, Here's what Ben Asking said, Just a reminder, Pyodian beats Sean. Judges robbed him. Then that's when O'Malley came back and said, Just a reminder, J Paul knocked you out. Well, Nice work, Harington. I wonder what motivated Ben asking to come out and say that. That's a bitchy statement. It's a bitchy statement.

No, it definitely is. That's Ben. I think he likes to poke at people and enjoys it.

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Obviously, we've got Conor McGregor. Outside of Conor McGregor, what would you top five be?

When's the last time Conor sold a ticket?

Well, there is that, but O'Malley, Jon Jones.

I would say O'Malley, Jon Jones, Pereira. Is he? Is he?

Justin Poirier after that.

Dustin Poirier, for sure. That was insane. I'm not even talking about the fight. We're talking star power and how much people love fighters. Dustin Poirier is a much larger... And we already know that Dustin is popular and people love him and all of that stuff. As much as I knew people loved him, I was blown away at the amount of support that that guy has and how much people really love him. It was insane. They bombarded the post-show the whole time he was on. Tuporea?

Is he up there yet, you think?

He's got to be close because of the Spain and Georgia support. I don't know how crazy super popular he is in America, but I think across the board, yeah.

Chandler?

Chandler is pretty popular. I don't know that he's above- Oliver. Yeah. I don't know that either one of those people are above an Izzy Pereira and where O'Malley is now, but they're up there for sure. Strickland? I think he's dying down a little bit on the Strickland thing. I think he's still very popular, and sorry.

No, you're good. He's very popular with a certain demographic and a certain polarizing.

You know what I mean? He's popular I'm with a very loud group of people.

A loud minority?

I don't know if they're a minority. I think he does have some star power, but I think at times it seems much louder than maybe it actually is.

Yeah, it'd be interesting to see the pay-per-view numbers because that's what talks at the end of the day. You want to talk about people's star power, how many pay-per-views did it sell? And yeah, okay, granted, the whole card does factor into that, but a lot of the time, the main event is what sells a pay-per-view.

Okay, so we're talking star power and popularity. Who do you think sells more pay-per-views? Because Instagram follows and social media interactions don't necessarily always equate to pay-per-view sales, right? So who do you Out of those handful of people we talked at the top, who do you think sells more pay-per-views?

I mean, Jon Jones has got to be in the discussion right there.

Maybe. I'd say right now, probably Dustin Poirier, in my opinion.

You think so?

I think so. I think some of it is the- People are loving Alex Pereira. They love Alex Pereira.

They do?

I think about the- How much did Brian feel free to chime in. I think about the demographic of people that are a part of your fan group. We talk a lot about Sean O'Malley tapping into this younger generation of fans. He's very polarizing to the a TikTok generation. But does that generation of people equate to pay-per-view buys? You know what I mean?

That generation of people know where to find the illegal streams.

They're very-I mean, they're pirate. That's what I'm saying.

They were raised with the online culture. We have adapted to it, and it's blended into part of our everyday life as we've got older. Now, I'm a bit older than you, but when I was younger, phones weren't a thing. You know what I mean? Social media was not a thing. This new generation, that's all they've known. I have to explain to my children what it was like before. You know what I mean? When I grew up in England, there was four channels on the TV. You know what I mean? That blows their mind. They can't believe that. Children's programs were on from 3:30 PM to five o'clock, and that was it. You didn't catch your cartoons at that time.Unlucky.They're done. You know what I mean? There was no reruns. Your favorite show, your favorite It show, if you wanted to watch it, that was it. You had one opportunity.

You had to be in front of the TV at that time.

Sit down, popcorn, or your Coke, whatever it was, ready to go. You missed that. You were gutted. It's gone. Forever. How are you ever going to say? No reruns, no DVDs, no looking at it on YouTube.

No recording it.

No.

Yeah. Crazy. But I don't have any numbers or been told this by anybody or have any... That's just my theory is that the demographic of people that Sean has tapped into that no other fighter really has had the ability to, I don't know that those people are transferring over to pay-per-view buys. I always feel like Dustin Poirier is like that blue collar guy that goes to work every single day type of fighter. Everyone loves him for that. He's that hard working Louisiana soul that everybody loves. And I think that probably transfers to pay-per-view buy is fairly easily.

So let's put that into a couple of concise sentences. You're saying that Sean O'Malley's fan base is TikTok generation that will not buy pay-per-views because they're going to find a stream and they know how to do it. Dustin Poeya's demographic and fan base is hard-working mechanics. They're on the building side. They come back, they're kicking back with a couple of beers. They're putting the pay-per-view on. They're having the boys and the barbecue and some more of their ribs.

They're likely, yeah, actually. But I would imagine that Sean O'Malley's popularity of stardom and his fan base probably transfers over to more money outside of the octagon than probably Dustin Poirier because he does have such a big base. It's a lot easier to get. Then your Instagram followers really do matter, and your social media presence does matter because you have the opportunity to sell that to your fan base, and your endorsements are probably larger.

Having is making the first appearance on the show. He's looking dark, he's looking nude.

What do we got.

Do you have sound?

I do.

It's rather echoey and loud, but that's okay. It's a start. Okay.

All right, I'll limit my voice. I think you're finding with Sean O'Malley, I agree with you. You're right about maybe not the pay-per-view buy is being there, but he's made the same pivot that recording artists have, where now they're able to charge an insane amount for his gate. That live gate, I think they said, was the fourth highest in UFC history. So while he might not generate with the pay-per-view sales, those guys with the pink hair are going to show up and buy tickets at exorbitant prices anytime Sean O'Malley is live.

Do you get a cut of that, Michael, as a champion?

No, not to my knowledge. Now, maybe once you reach a certain level, you can negotiate that further. I mean, contracts can always be negotiated. My contract, no. I can't speak for every champion there's ever been.

I just didn't know if that's something you've ever heard of or anything.

Yeah, not to my knowledge. I don't know, though. I wouldn't I like to say yes or no, but I haven't heard of that. Wouldn't surprise me if McGregor does. But you've also got a factor in that fight card 2-9 now, and we're going to get to the rest of the fights, everybody, was ridiculous. People were all saying, Oh, it's better than 300. Who cares? You're spoiled. If that's your issue, you're spoiled. You know what I mean? It's a good problem to have. I think that's probably why the gate was so high. But of course, that helps O'Malley, and it helps build a star. And performances like that help build a star. Mcgregor, when he was on that crazy run Jon, Jon Boes-Jones, Ron DeRouzey, when people have this air of invincible about them. And now you could make the argument that Sean can now actually say that he's undefeated because he's got the loss back. He beat Chito. He in convincing fashion. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying it's eradicated, but if you get revenge for your losses, it certainly helps that argument.

It does. But again, it happens because I can't say that because I've had situations happen where I've been hurt in fights and it's caused me to lose. If I got to eat it, so do you.

That's how I feel about it. Congratulations, Sugar Sean O'Malley. If you had to pick one name real quick, Teporia Marab, Sandhagen, Nirmaga Medow, brother, which name would this be?

Sandhagen. Sandhagen. That's the fight that interests me the most.

I agree. I was going to say the same thing.

Yeah, it interests me more. I don't want to shit on Marab. I feel I'm so bad about that. But as far as the interest into the Xs and the O's and what I think happens in there, I think the only person that can stand in front of Sean O'Malley and be competitive at his level and play in his game is Cory Sandhagen.

Brother, you answer my question without me asking this. I was going to say to you, stylistically, these three opponents, who has bigger style or biggest chance to take belt from Sean?

It's Sam Dagen.

You don't think Umar Nmarga made of has a real chance. You I don't think Marab Nvalashvili with the crazy pressure, bro, and his Jordan.

Yes, but it's crazy predictable. It's crazy predictable. The man I watched on Saturday night, you got to be better. You got to be better than having one thing.

You don't say my name. I win all the fights, and you don't even say my name. What did he say? Listen, sure, N'Avallee. That sounds like Marab N'Avallee's man. It does.

You don't say my name.

Who do you think? I think maybe Sunday, he can do it all. And he's got the height, he's got the striking, but so does bloody her, Maga Madoff.

Yeah, I'm not saying that Umar couldn't win. I think we haven't seen him enough at the highest level to really get us pining for him to get a title shot and convince us that he could go in there and win. We suspect he could, but I just think he's crazy predictable. I We've seen what O'Malley did to a guy that he was expecting to wrestle. We've just seen what he did to two people, well, one and a half people that he suspected were only going to strike. I just think that he's the type of fighter that... It reminds me of John Jones.

One and a half people?

Yeah, I was going to say Pyun or Yon, but half the listeners are going to- He's very little.

He only counts as half.

No, I was going to say he only- I thought Marab was that one and a half. He only half outstruck him.

Yeah. By the way, we just said, there's no disrespect to Marab. No.

Marab is going to be more- Marab should be next, but I want to watch Sandhagen more.

Marab probably will be next. I feel like. But his style is definitely... It was just his-Who knows?

Maybe Marab runs in there and gets the fuck out.

I don't know. I don't know. Because this guy's very good and he's getting better as well. He dropped in, he Piotr. Who fucking knows? Listen, they're all great. It's a good problem to have.

It's a great division. Yeah, what a great division. It's going on, O'Malley.

I mean, yeah, if you look at the rankings now, it's on fire, isn't it?

That's a shit problem. That's a shit problem for Sean O'Malley. Every time you win, the reward for that is a tougher fight next. That's excellent.

But you want big fights that interest the public. Excuse me, so he's got Marab, the Sandegen. Piotr Yane has been there done that. I don't think he's going to have to bother with that anytime soon.

I don't know. Piotr Yane look pretty goddamn good on Saturday.

I have a He's coming.

Oh, shit.

You're not going to get COVID. Don't worry. It's through the screen, guys. You're fine and you're vaccinated. Don't worry about it. Umar and Omega made off ranked number 10. That last name, though, I think that might buy him a little- Got to get you closer. I'll get you closer. He will, though, isn't it?

If your last name's Smith, it's going to get you further away.

No, but if you're the cousin of Anthony Smith and you look just like him, you What is it? You got tattooed on your hands?

Yeah.

Love and peace?

No. Fear, none. Well, there it is. What is it?

Love and hate. No. I think it'll do you a favor. I fully expect if Callum Lucas was to fight, I would fully expect my position in the UFC to help out a little bit.

It fucking better.

It fucking better.

Someone better get something out of this shit.

I'm going to fast track him to the content of the series. The easiest fucking fight ever. I don't expect bad fights. If it's my son, I expect a little fucking leg up. You know what I mean?

That's fair.

If your name is Umar Nemaga made of and you are coached and trained, then you are the cousin of the great Habib Nama made of. Again, it's just natural. And Habib is one of the biggest stars the sport's ever seen. It just makes sense. It does. That's just how it fucking works. We haven't even started. We are 40 minutes Minutes into the show. We hope you're enjoying yourself. Subscribe and ring the bell if you haven't done so. We always leave that for the end. Don't be a prick. You're watching. Just hit subscribe.

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Yeah. Thank you, Anthony. Should we do a non-MMA or should we get straight into Benoit, Sandrine? We'll do that. Sandrine, Dustin Poey, we got to talk about that. We cannot disrespect them by going on about some nonsense that Harrington put in the notes. While I was speechless, Saturday night, watching that, Benoit-Sandany was on the knee with a favorite, which is wild. I understand it because Dustin got knocked out last time. They go out there You see why Benoît was the favorite. Five stoppages in his last five. Looked incredible. Bullied Poeya, to be honest. Bullied him. He was shooting double legs, getting the take down, getting him in the tire, clenched landing He's landing his knees, landing elbows. It's like he didn't have any respect for Dustin or the threat that was coming back. And we'll get to the lessons he's going to learn from that in a little bit. But I was watching the fight, just me and Rebecca sitting there, and I'm like, Oh, shit, shit, shit. Because everybody loves Dustin. You got to have respect for this guy, the person that he is. But he was taking so much damage. I remember looking at the clock and going, Fucking hell, there's still three minutes left.

You know what I mean? Because I'm like- Dustin looked at the clock twice, and I was He's looking at the fucking clock already. The first time, there was over three minutes left.

How long is this? Because I just need a minute to compose myself and get my shit together. Anyway, he had a tough opening round, he was going for the guillotine.

I saw this little baby doing the round. That goddamn guillotine.

It's his favorite submission.

That he never gets.

That's what, apparently, John Adding said that to him. Dc says it's his favorite submission. And then John Adding says, Well, he's never going to fight by a guillotine.

He said on the post-show, he was like, I'm going to get someone one of these days. Yeah.

What DC probably meant was in the gym, in training, you go for it all the time. In the gym, what's your favorite submission?

Triangles.

You long-legged son of a bitch.

I'm a triangle guy.

I will come over the shit out of someone.

You like a good camora?

I'm a bastard with the camora, bro.

I'll get you. It depends on how tired. If I'm tired, I'm more of a back take guy because then I just hang out and just make people miserable where I take a break.

Amor is from guard, Amor is from top. I get that on the top.

That's standing Kamara.

All power, no technique. I've got to run out of steam if I don't get this. Anyway, talking about running out of steam. Ben, while Son did it, I don't think it's fair on Dustin Poey to say that he got tight. He got clipped because Dustin landed that one big uppercut, and I'll give you the battle in a minute, dropped him to one knee, showed the threat, showed the power of Dustin. And then in round two, you've got to have respect for the threat coming back. You've got to be offensively minded but defensively sound at the same time. And when he watches that back, and never mind the staff infection and all that stuff, we'll get to that in a bit, he left his chin sticking out there. He was in a blaze of aggression. He was high top. He's like, I'm landing shots, everything. I'm hurting him. I'm taking him down. I'm kneeing him, I'm elbowing him. I'm, I'm going to finish your dusty boy. And you, motherfucker, cannot stop me. I fuck you. You fuck me. I fuck you. You motherfucker. You like this? You got some of this? You son of a bitch.

Oh, shit.

Oh, shit.

Merde. Fucking hell. Say something intelligent.

I'm going to say something intelligent. I don't think... I don't even want to get into the staff infection too much, but- What we're going to in a minute.

We got a whole segment on it.

I was sitting next to Dean during the fight, right? We're right there cage-side. We were one minute in to the first round. And during these fights, Dean's got to be on headset and ready to jump in whenever they need him. So we write notes back and forth when we're a little high school and we write notes to each other. He wrote, BDS going to get tired. The first 60 seconds in, that's when I said, BDS going to get tired. And I just nodded. He can't fight like that. You can't start like that in a five-round fight, and you cannot fight Dustin Poirier like that. I said it a hundred times on every goddamn pre-show that wanted to put a camera in my face and said, I think Dustin Poirier wins by knockout because Santani is going to come to him. He's going to force the action. He's going to force the pressure. He's going to be in Dustin's face right away. And Dustin is a better striker in those nasty, dirty exchanges because he does a good job of keeping his composure. I'm so impressed with his vision because he sees everything. The head dips down, he rips an uppercut.

The guy starts to fade off to his right. He rips the right hook to bring him back and then land the two after they're on their way back. So his vision right there is too good. If you want to be successful with Dustin Poirier, you'll probably hang back a little bit and force him to play that tip for tack game and play the game of cat and mouse and try to outthink him. But if you get him in the fire, he's going to win that most of the time in just striking exchanges. So as much as I want to give credit to whatever he's saying, the reason for his exhaustion was, Dean pointed it out right away. You can't fight like this for five rounds, and you can't fight Dustin Poirier in a phone booth because he'll probably win.

100%. Even though I'm not ripping on Benoît for coming out and saying that he had a staff infection.

No, me neither.

Not because he had one, and I believe that he was on antibiotics. Me too. But I don't believe that that's why he lost that fight.

If that happened in the fourth round and he just gassed out of nowhere, I probably would accept it a little bit better. But he was hurt bad in the first. But I agree with everything you just said.

You put that very well. I agree with it 100%. You You got to have a bit of strategy when it comes to somebody like Dustin Poey. I think maybe it's like, this guy just got knocked out. I'm going to give him PTSD. I'm going to give him flashbacks. I'm going to finish him. I'm going to do it. He's over 35. The old man curse. It's Volkanovski round two. I'm going to fucking put it on him from the get-go, get it done. That's the problem when you go out there, by the way, and you've won your last five in a row all by stoppage. Because that's why you got to have coaches around you to keep you in check. Because you start to think, I am this animal. I'm not just got to go full Benoît Saint-Denis.

What about that first exchange, though? And then Dustin's still there, and he's not shying away from the pressure, and his eyes are wide open, and you're grinning and biting on your mouthpiece and throwing as hard as you can, and he fucking takes it and then hits you even harder back. I couldn't believe it. That's when you start like, Oh, fuck. Then I'm sure you had a moment where he was like, That's why he's where he is.

But this guy cannot finish it.

He's still here. He's still here. You can't overwhelm Dustin Poirier. That's one of the most impressive things I think about him. He doesn't panic ever. It's insane to watch.

What did Ivan Drago say about Rocky? What did he say? What did he say? It was an iconic line, This guy's not real.

What did he say? If he dies, he dies. Oh, he's made of iron.

Yes, this guy's made of iron, or something like that. Anyway, when he landed that knockout, that right-hand, what a moment. What a moment. And Dana White said it perfectly himself, That's the shit that makes you a legend, and it does. To take on Benoît's Sunday in the first place when he was ranked 12, didn't need to do it, but wanted to protect and earn his spot. To get his ass kicked like that, but then to turn it around and get the knockout, that makes it even more epic. And as fighters, you want that. For me, one of my most memorable ones was Anderson Silver because of that knee in the third round, and I'm leaking blood everywhere. But then to go on and it still be a war, people remember that shit. It's even better when you go out in round two and flatline the guy. You know what I mean?

Man, it was nasty. It was so nasty. And he dropped into a knee with that left hand. And then Dustin hits this really pretty fading away right hook. I highlighted it on the pre-show, and it was even in person right there sitting case. I was just happy for that guy. Just happy for him.

There's a clip on Twitter where he gets shot and the blood that shoots out of Ben Weill's nose. It's nasty. Of course, it didn't take Conor McGregor long to come up and say something about two French people.

He seemed nice.

No, he wasn't. He was talking shit. He was calling Dustin Poirier French as well because he's got a French last name and he's from New Orleans. He was a big French influence there. He tagged the French President. He He said, not a bad fight by those two Frenchmen or something like that.

Oh, I thought he was being nice.

Well, it was a back-ended compliment.

I was like, that was nice of him to...

No, he was trying shit. Where was it? Where's it? Great fight out of them French boys did that, two North Faceitations, and then he tags Emmanuel Macron. And when he was asked about it at the post fight, Dustin, cool as a cucumber. Oh, yeah? We felt that right-hand as well. That was it. That's all he said. And he did. That's fair. He put him to sleep. Next five for Dustin Poirier because he's still there. He's still in the mix.

He's ranked. You know what it is. You know what it is.

Don't steal my fucking chips.

I'm not. You already know.

Well, I don't know. I just want to make that 100% clear. This is not me as a Michael Bisping ambassador saying this. I'm just saying It all lines up perfectly. Justin Poey, the Diamond versus Islam Makhachev. I think with that performance, he leapfrogs everybody because we always say, let's see how these Everything's... Dana says it all the time. Let's see how everything plays out. And a fight like that will cause you to leap from because the public demand, number one, he deserves it. He's been around forever. He's a former interim champion. He's not getting any young stronger. He's always craved being champion of the world. I think taking on that upon him, beating him the way that he did, given the fact that Charles Oliver and Saurukian, they're not fighting to the end of April. So there's going to be a bit of a turnaround.

Gechi's fighting Holloway at the same time.

Gechi's fighting Max Hollowway.

God, that's the one thing that throws me off.

Is he Gece?

Is Gece. Gece getting skipped.

I get Forget it. Forget about Gece. He took on a guy at £145. I'm sorry. Forget it. It's got nothing to do with him saying that I'm a biased commentator. I actually do mean that. It's got nothing to do with that. I'm just saying timing-wise, timing is everything. He just got that massive fight there. They could probably do it in June. I think, who said that? I saw it. Oh, no, it was Dustin today on Twitter.

Yeah.

He said me versus Islam.

And that's when Islam wants to fight is in June.

Ali Abdel Zeez actually came out and said, If Dustin is open to But after that performance, Islam would fight him in June if UFC is okay with it.

Wow. That's it. What a story.

Yeah, that's crazy.

That's unbelievable. And don't get me wrong, if Gagey, because Gagey is there, of course, he just knocked out Dustin.

But Dustin didn't have a bad performance either, though. If you go back and watch the fight, it was a great fight, and he got clipped, and Justin Gagey landed a great shot, and Dustin went out.

There'll still be a belt to fight for for Justin Gagey, regardless of whoever wins. There'll still be a belt to fight for the winner of Oliver and Sal Rukia. Do you know what I mean? They're just getting a shot now. It doesn't mean you're not going to get a title fight. It just means right now, he's perennially one of the top five One of the most exciting fighters in all of the sport. And after that, the man deserves it. Dustin Poey, come on. Get on the bloody BYM pod. Listen to how we are waxing and shining your shoes, bro. Come on. The least he can do is give It was a bloody appearance.

Yeah, give us a 10-minute interview.

He said he would reach out to him, Anthony.

I'm going to. I'm getting some hot sauce. I ran into his Marketing Manager in Miami. They're getting me some hot sauce. I'll say, And Let me get 10 minutes on a BYM. We're going to need to- And we'll keep him for 30.

No, that's my classic. Just a quick 10, 15 minutes. By the way, today's co-host, everybody is Paul Felder. He's texting me because he doesn't want to be a dick on the show. Bro, I got to call. You said 10 minutes. Well done, Dustin Poey. Shall we talk? We'll have a little break. We've done an hour of MMA. We've got lots of other talking points. All right, today's episode is sponsored by Betterhelp. And I'm glad that they've come on board because, listen, you need better help. If you've thought about starting therapy, if you've thought about tackling your own personal issues, whatever they may be, right? Now is the time to start. Stop talking about it, stop thinking about it, and take some action. A lot of people, they still feel like there's some stigma attached to it. If you've got an addiction issue, an anger issue, anxiety, alcohol abuse, whatever it may be, speaking to somebody, trust issues, whatever it is, speaking to a licensed professional will help. And this is designed to be the most convenient and flexible way because it's all suited to your schedule. If you're thinking of starting therapy, give it a try.

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I'm doing great.

Excellent weekend. Anthony, what is kids will not be able to drink if they move to Denver in school. They will not be able to drink in school if they move to Denver? Right.

You might want to stay out if you're a big fan of sugary drinks. They are eliminating juices and sodas from schools across Denver. They're talking about expanding it to even further into the city. But yeah, it's going to be a milk and water only thing for anyone under the age of 18 years old in schools in Denver.

So lame. Really?

Yeah. You want a decent gatorade every once in a while?

Well, that's not technically a juice, so maybe you could get that. But I saw this on the news this morning, and I thought this would be an interesting discussion. On the news, they were going against it, saying, This is bullshit, this is bullshit, this is ridiculous. I feel the opposite way. I think this is a positive thing, but I thought it would encourage some good discussion. I thought, and Rebecca Brian will have something to say about it. And then when I logged in, Brian was like, Oh, this is government control and all the rest of it. But Harrington pulled up the wrong story. And they're proposing to ban sodas and juices in restaurants as well for children. I feel like that is definitely a step too far. You can't tell your parents how to look after their children. However, at a school, a place of learning and a place of discipline and a place of where children should do as they are told, a soda is a treat. But number one, let's not even talk about the unhealthy, calorie-heavy drink that it is, the bad habits that they're going to form. It's going to get them high as hell on sugar.

If it's Coca-Cola, they're going to have a caffeine rush, they're going to have a sugar rush, then they're going to have a crash. There's tons of bloody health side effects to go with it as well. But that's a treat. And if a The school decides to not give them... Kids shouldn't be fucking drinking soda is what I'm getting to for all of those reasons.

Yeah, my kids don't drink soda at all. We limit the juice for the most part because it is so sugary, but Yeah, my kids aren't drinking any sodas. That's just not a thing.

They can get a little soda.

Do what?

Now, my kids, like Lucas, if we go out for a meal, we'll allow them to have a Sprite.

Yeah. So mine can have Sprite at a restaurant or something like that, but they're not drinking Mountain Dews and Coca Colas or any of that bullshit at all. But I guess I probably side with Brian a little bit here. I just don't like... I'll tell my kids, You don't get any goddamn sodas, but I don't want anybody else to tell them that. I think that's what Brian comes in.

But a school is a place of discipline, though. They can make whatever rules to a certain degree. Within these four walls, I'm sure there could be more walls than four, but you understand what I'm saying? Within these four walls, these are our rules. Like, I went to a high school in the UK, we had to wear uniforms. You're going to have your blazer on at all times. You're going to have your shirt tucked in, and you got to behave a certain way. You got to be politeful, you got to be respectful, okay? And we're going to offer healthy, balanced food. And if you don't want to stick to that, fuck off somewhere else. And if you want to drink shitty and get all jacked up on Mountain Duel, I'll be a little prank.

I mean, schools can do whatever they want. They're government-funded, so the government makes the rules for the school, right? But when the government tells McDonald's that you can't buy a soda for your kid, you're stepping way over the fascism line here, which is like government control of private enterprise, which just seems like something that we shouldn't have in this country. There was a war fought about it.

Oh, 100%. I'm with you totally, Brian. If you go to a restaurant and you're paying-I want to buy these pieces of shit some beer.

If I want to buy it, then you better goddamn serve it.No.

For sure. Exactly. Yeah, I'm with you there, Brian. But just in general, so does... Listen, as I said, I'm not going to sit here and preach it, people. In fact, this morning, I had my bacon, my eggs, my sausage, and I had a little miniature fun-sized Coke Zero. You know what I mean? I like a little sparkle, I like a little soda with my breakfast, but it was only a little tiny. You know those little tiny ones?

I'm a little I think I drink a Coke this morning, taking my kids to school.

Full Coke?

A Full Coke, yeah. You're crazy. Twelve ounce can.

Full fat? Not even diet?

Full fat.

Not even Coke Zero?

Never.

I wouldn't waste my time. It's so much worse for you than just regular soda.

I know. I'm just kidding. Anthony Smith is a rebel. But the obesity, and it's good for breaking habits for kids. I think in schools, I think it's- Even if it's...

I get it. If they're going to drink it at home, at least the seven or eight hours they spend in school during the day, they're not. I don't think that's a terrible thing. I don't think it's bad. I think that a lot of these... Here's where I get shocked. Taking my middle schooler to school, the amount of kids carrying in Starbucks and drinks from coffee places in the morning is mind-blowing to me. My kid's always like, Can I get some coffee? No. You're 12. You know, goddamn coffee. Then you end up like your dad drinking nine gallons of coffee a day.

No, exactly. Ellie, teenage girls, even boys as well. But I think it's more the girls because you've got nothing but girls. Ellie was obsessed with Starbucks. From about 14 to about 17. All about the Starbucks, all about the fucking Frappucinos, all about the drinks that have about 800, 900 calories in them, and they don't even realize. And then, of course, the caffeine as well. So they're out of their minds on sugar, caffeine, fat. You know what I mean? They're going to get fat. People don't understand how bad those drinks are for you.

They are, and that blows me away. We don't got a whole shit ton of kids, I guess, pound in Starbucks and Coca-Cola's in school. That's probably not terrible.

We pulled up that one article a couple of months ago, the Starbucks drink that had a half a cup of sugar in it.

That was crazy.

I remember we had It was a Dunkin' Donuts, I think, weren't it? Fair enough.

My bad.

It's okay. Same shit. They're all the same big evil corporations trying to take a.

Jesus Christ.

I want to poison my kids, okay? Just let the school do it. Little fox. All right, what did we think? What did you think about the debut of what Michael Venom page?

I thought-We're about to lose him.

Lose who?

The UK fan base.

No, I liked it. I liked it. The only thing he didn't do was get the finish, but I'm all on board. The hype trend is still chew-chew. I'm at the front, I'm wearing a hat. I've I'm up.

I'm going to be the conductor, and I'm going to slow you down a little bit.

Say, Hold on. You're not selling tickets, are you?

I'm not buying yet. I'm not buying yet. I'm not saying he doesn't have it. I'm saying I didn't see it.

Try and slow it down.

He's not a young man, number one. I've seen some bad decision making.

I've seen a Kevin Holland who, I don't know, maybe didn't take it, wasn't as focused as he's been at other times.

More focused than he has been at sometimes, to be fair. But I have nothing about it. He was crazy fast.

I'm just been dying to do that. I'm like, I'm trying to keep this bit going. I'm like, Just fucking say one good thing.

Just say one good thing.

We're fucking going.

He's crazy fast. He's really dynamic, but he's very limited. He's very limited in what he can do. I think that he was able to get back to his feet because of a mistake that Kevin Holland made rushing, not necessarily sure that defensively, I think he may... I don't know that defensively on the ground, he did anything. He was right in front of me the whole time, and I'm waiting for him to frame correctly. Okay, you're getting your back to the fence. That's good. Or you got to tuck that bottom foot. You got to get your hip to the wall. He's not doing any of it. Kevin just rushed trying to get a finish, and he was able to explode as an athlete and get to his feet. But I had 10 people in my head that would smoke him because of the few problems that I I maybe not smoke him, but I believe that it would be favored over him. I think he was an incredible... He's an incredible interview. I watched this stuff all week long. I thought that he does an incredible job just being a professional and the way that he speaks, the way that he promotes himself.

He just seemed very limited. He seemed very limited. There's not a lot of jabs. There's not a lot of setups. I just kept flashing. How many people can I imagine in my head that are going to just blast you on your Kevin Holland is not that guy. He needs to be matchmade very carefully if you want to continue to win.

I shall give my opinion, but got to remember, we just said before, it's hard to have a perfect performance. You know what I'm saying? It I understand.

But I think with his style, you have to have a perfect performance every single time.

I understand some of the points you are making, but I think the brilliance that he has allows him to make those mistakes and still get away with it. You're absolutely right, but you got to look at the positives first. Kevin Holland, never been knocked out, and he was almost knocked out multiple times on Saturday night. He took some big shots. Kevin Holland has beaten some world-class opposition. I went to a split decision with Jack De La Madeleina. Split. Before that, two wins, Kiesa Santiago Pantenebiou went five rounds with Steven Wunderboy Thompson with a broken hand in a pretty close fight. Before that, Hamza Chimey. He's been in there with the absolute best. Saturday night, he couldn't get And I'm a big fan of Kevin Holland, so I don't enjoy saying these words, but I think it's true to say, fair to say, he couldn't really get anything going. And the problem that Venom, the page was giving him was getting him more and more frustrated throughout the fight. So it was compounding the deficiencies that Kevin had because he was getting more and more desperate, more and more frustrated throughout the fight where he was just swinging recklessly, hoping to land something.

And Page was just not there to be hit. I mean, come on, bro, where's the last time you saw somebody fucking coming in and landing those elbows like that three times? Yeah, he made a few mistakes, but I thought he dominated in a very entertaining way.

But I think that's Kevin Holland's fault. I don't know that that's an MVP thing, because how many times did he dart in and miss the right-hand and they end up in a clinch? Kevin Holland, he spent his entire career in the wrestling room working on it defensively. And then when it comes time to be offensive, he doesn't have an answer because that's just not his style. I just kept imagining, You mean to tell me that Hamza, if he was in that weight class still? Because everyone's talking about him like he's a world beater because of what he was able to do in Bellator. So I'm not putting this on him. He's putting this on him, and the people supporting him are putting this on him. I kept imagining, You mean to tell me you don't think Hamza can duck and cover for one and get a hold of him and drag him down after that? And then what I've seen on the ground wasn't high-level Brazilian jiu-jitsu. So I'm not trying to say that I'm... No. It sounds like I'm hating on him. I'm countering hearing from him and the people that are supporting him saying, Oh, this is the next guy.

He could go in and beat Leon Edwards. This is good. Maybe he could beat Leon Edwards with that style. It's actually possible. I think that'd be really interesting.

But he and Leon would be a fun match up. Him and Hamza, for example, would be- I don't know that there's a handful of guys that I think prevent him from ever getting to Leon. That's what he did. I said to Rebecca Saturday night because she was like, What's Kevin Holland doing wrong? I said, Well, there's a lot of things going on wrong. Kevin Holland, whilst having a black belt on the ground, did make some mistakes, but he's not got very good wrestling. He's effective on the feet, but he wasn't using the correct choices to be effective. And when he was trying to take down, he was just walking into an over-under clinch. You know, Anthony, people that can't wrestle too well, that's the situation they'll end up in. And then they're trying to drop down, trying to level change from there and get the legs and stuff. Really hard to do because then you just got two guys against the fence, fighting in an over-under, and they're just pumbling all fucking day long. Then the referee steps in break and then you're back.

And then they're gassed.

Yeah. But what you're going to do is you're going to hear, you're going to land some good chop, level change, shoot in, snacked those legs up, pick him the fuck up, just like I did against Brian Stan. If you don't think I know what I'm talking about, watch the clinic. That's But that's the way to do it, and that's what some wrest would do. But you're still going to give the man his moment.

For sure. I was impressed with the diversity of his attack, the way that he moves. And again, I'm not saying he's old. Not too many 37-year-old men moving like that at that speed and accuracy. I was in awe of watching him work. But also as an analyst, I have to be honest and think about, How would this person do? Where would this guy go? Or what style is he going to struggle with? And that's why this game, this is why my mindset is so fucked in this game sometimes, because sometimes I can't just watch it and enjoy it. I'm analyzing it the entire time I'm watching it.

So again, it's a great win It's a really tough fight for your first fight in the UFC.

I get that. Kevin Holland is pretty awkward and unconventional himself. So I think you have two awkward styles in there, and I don't think it was what everyone expected.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

It seemed to suck the air out of the room a little bit, if I'm being honest.

Did it really? Because I wasn't there. It sucked the energy out a little bit. I understand what you're saying. When you look at, for example, in the main event, you got O'Malley, and it's like, orthodox and Fast and crisp. That was unorthodox from both people, certainly from Page, because he has the Taekwondo style and the hands low. And then from Kevin Holland, who is effective, but he's not exactly the most polished and crisp and concise. In terms of next matchup for Michael Page, I've got one name that springs to mind. A lot of people are going, Oh, Steven Wonderboy Thompson. Page came out and said he doesn't want that five, not out of disrespect or fear or anything like that. He just doesn't think it would make for a good matchup just because they both got the same style. He said two positives equals a negative. I understand that. They're both going to look to counter. The matchup is simple. It's there. And this might be a little bit on the Michael Vennen page bandwagon. Let me know if he deserves this or not. You got a guy out That's a guy that's talking a lot of shit.

You got a guy that's hyping himself up. You got a guy that's tall. You got a guy that's long. You got a guy that fancies himself as a good striker. You got a guy by the name of Ian Machado Gary. Machado Gary, Michael Leonard Page in there, right? What are you laughing at?

Why would you do Ian Gary like that? What do you mean?

Throw him in. I want to see that.

Mvp would beat the shit out of Ian Why do you say that? Because the thing that kept Kevin Holland in there is number one, is he's got a great chin, but two, he's just awkward and just funky enough in his own right to get himself out of the way because he doesn't follow the rules. Ian Gary has been hurt before on his feet. He's not insanely fast. He's not a great wrestler. I just think he gets fucking tattooed for as long as he's upright.

Well, I say that because Ian Gary-And that's with all respect to Ian Gary.

With all respect to Ian Gary. I think it's a bad matchup.

All you got to do is say, With all respect.

I think he's got a great game. I think it matches up absolutely fucking terrible with MVP, though.

Yeah, but you can just insult anybody to your heart's content as long as you finish the sentence.

He doesn't like me anyways.

I don't think he likes me either. Then all you're going to do is finish the sentence.

We've been real nice to that guy. No disrespect.

Oh, no, I know. I had an interview with him, and he fucking canceled on me. They had the interview. I was like, All right.

Well, we got the same manager and they said, Yeah, you just canceled it on you on BizBing and didn't want to because of something. I was like, What did BizBing do? Like, Well, apparently, you guys weren't very nice to him on the pocket. Oh, you mean we were fucking honest? Yeah, I guess that would hurt your feelings.

I have never been insulting.

I've never insult him.

I don't think so. I've never insult a fighter, I don't think. I'll give a fair say. Sometimes, Mike, we have a laugh and we get a little bit silly, but I don't think we're insulting anybody.

We're not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. We're just talking about what we see. And maybe you don't like that all the time. Mike has said lots of shit about me that I don't like when he's doing his job. I don't hold it against him, though. For crying out loud.

Don't make me feel bad.

I don't. I don't feel bad. You are. I don't feel bad.

Why would you feel You're making me feel bad.

Well, I can't make you do anything. Don't give me that power over you.

Okay, that's well said. Don't worry about it. Where were we? Anyway, Michael Van der Page, Ian Gary, sign him up. Or who would you book it with? What would your next five be?

Who's in the top 10? Because I don't have it right in front of me. Let me see.

I thought you had him in front of me. Jack Delamadeleina had a good win on Saturday of Gilbert Burns. My Could it be Jack? But he called out Shaiv Cat, right?

That's a great call out.

Nobody bloody calls out Shaiv Cat.

Nobody calls him out. All right.

I'm going to call- The boss of Jack Dela Madalena for that.

That is a They need to start giving him four corners instead of one, just so one guy can carry his large nuts.

He needs a wheelbarrow for his nut sack. What are you looking at, the rankings?

Yeah, I'm looking at the rankings. Jack is 11 right now. I like the Gary call out, actually. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think I like that. I like that.

And they had a little bit of an ego- Or like a Jeff Neill.

Might be fun.

Jeff Neil?

Yeah.

Okay. Gilbert Burns, sadly, did not get the job done on Saturday. We love Gilbert Burns. I tell you what, you got to love Jack De La Madeleina just as much. All class. Both guys brought it. Jack De La Madeleina always with the box in Gilbert Burns, we knew the threat from the wrestling would be a real thing, and it was a real thing. Came close to a couple of submissions, took the bite, landed some good shots on the feet, trending to lose the fight according to the scorecards. And then in a crazy scramble, Jack had the biggest sense of urgency, got to his feet quicker, need him in the face, dropped him, finished him. Fantastic.

Yeah, there's not a lot more to add that I thought Gilbert looked really good. He looked a little bit out of sorts during the fight, though. He looked uncomfortable the whole time, which makes a lot of sense because Jack Dela Madalena is an absolute monster, but he looked a He was a little frazzled the whole time. Jack did a great job. He was able to escape towards the end of the third round, turned and burned, and that was all she wrote. You got a feel for Gilbert, though.

You do. I love Gilbert Burns. He's so nice. He came on the show a couple of weeks ago. Even when he was on the ground and he sat there and he smiles. He's like, Okay, all right. You know what I mean? It was just a realization, I've lost the fight. The referee made the right call. Oh, God.

Yeah, it was hard. I like Jack so good for him.

Oh, yeah, not for sure. But it's like, Rebecca was like, Oh, my God, he's so sweet. Look at him. He's smiling. He seems I'm not such a nice guy. He's married, babe. Shut the fuck up.

He was supposed to say, You're supposed to say you're married, babe.

Yeah. Where are the notes from Harrington? I don't see them. All right, so obviously, Pyori, I got He's winning ways. Fantastic. That was a great performance. Song Yee Don looked incredible early on. I want to get some of these bigger talking points. Were you surprised at Song Yee Don? He took his time.

No, I thought Not that it could go that way. Song always starts really fast. Peter Jan actually surprised me more, probably than Song, because I thought if Song started fast and got over on him early, then I thought Peter Jan would have a tough time fighting from behind. Man, that guy fought with a sense of urgency and a passion, a fire in his eyes that I haven't seen in a while. I was afraid that maybe he had lost that, and that maybe we're seeing the in the eyes of Pyotr Yahn, but he still got it. That dog is still in there. I don't know. I thought his game plan was perfect. It was really weird, though, not to get too deep into the Xs and the O's. But early in the first round, Pyotr Yahn reacted to every single fainted takedown, every fake shot. Oh, he did. Big. It was so bad. It was so bad. Again, me and Dina are writing notes back and forth, and Dean writes a note and says, Mara PTSD. It's like he's so worried about being taken down. But he's got great takedown defense. When he stopped reacting to the feints, he defended all the takedowns.

I thought he looked great. I thought it was an awesome performance. Really gutsy. I think he needed that just mentally and just emotionally to battle through and overcome some adversity. I thought it was incredible. One of my favorite fights of the night, to be honest with you.

He lost his three before that, but it was two. Sean O'Malley, Murab N'Avallishvili, and Al Jermaine Sterly.

You know what I mean? Two split decisions.

And they're all champions. Murab is not a champion, but he's probably going to fight for the belt next. So there you go. Also, we're going to talk about this real quick, just a couple of minutes on it. Curtis Blaze got back to winning ways, took out Zalton Almeida on the pre-limb headliner. A succession of hammer fist as he was going for the single leg, hammer fist after hammer fist, gets to stop, gets the job done. Zalton Almeida, super impressive in the first round, picking up Curtis Blaze, putting him down like that. The wrestling is phenomenal, but he is a one-trick pony, and he's a little too reliant on only wrestling. He was doing good, though. Called out Tom Aspenal afterwards. I think that makes perfect sense.

Yeah, I do, too. There's consequences in this game. How many times do you think you can pick up 265 pound Curtis Blades and put him back down? I mean, Almeida is a big guy. He's not the largest heavyweight, though. So there's some strain there. I'm sure he's strong. I'm sure he can lift big numbers. But they're crediting him with nine takedowns. In my opinion, that's one takedown and eight Matt returns. But what do I know? But he's just picking him up.

Sign him up from-Signing him out DC.

I mean, that's how it works. I know. To pick him up eight times and put him down, that's a big man. In his takedown, his next entry in the second round look way different than the first. I think there's some consequence for the way he fights. So maybe a little bit of... I thought Curtis did a good job of defending better in the second round. I think it seemed like in the first round, Curtis let him in like, Oh, I got this. I can defend this, because he looked very relaxed and almost annoyed. And then the next thing he knows, he was on the ground. So I think he took him a little more serious in the wrestling realm in the second round, but what a crazy finish. Incredible call out, though. I would love to watch that fight.

Yeah, it makes all the sense in the world to me. And it's funny because typically the guy with the win isn't the one calling the guy out. You know what I'm saying? He's already beaten Tom, but things have changed. Tom's now the interim heavyweight champion of the world. Tom should stay active. He should defend that interim spot, build the momentum, build the need for that fight to happen. Of course, a lot of people have shifted and want to see Aspinal versus Jones, but it doesn't matter. That fight is set in place with Steepay. That's going to happen. Defend against Curtis Blades in the meantime. I think that's the perfect opportunity. I say next UFC event in the UK, Leon Edwards versus who's next up at Wellton.

If you don't say Balal, he's going to freak out.

It's Balal Mohamed. Let's be right. Tom Aspinal, Curtis Blades, Michael Venon-Page, Ian Gary.

Let's go.

That's three good fights, top of the bill.

That's good.

Matchmaker, Maki B. Who else we got? Mohamed Mekhaiv.

Oh, yeah. Versus Brandon Royval.

Brandon Royval, boom. That's four fights on the main card.

Who's another UK fighter?

Patty Pimblet.

Versus... Hold on. No, I just match made this in my head over the weekend. Patti Pimblet versus RDA.

Rafael dos Santos. Yes. I don't know about that. It's a good fight. I'm saying for Patti, that's a whiskey one.

Yeah. Arnold Allen versus... I don't know. Yeah. That's a tougher one. Not a lot of people for him to fight right now.

Who did you just mention to Ordie? We're going to give a shout out to Ordie. Who did he fight? He's fighting Mataj Gamroth. It just shows. O'sanchez is a goddamn dog man. Been around the sport forever, was the champion at Lyeway, almost a champ at Welterweight. God knows how many fights he's had, still going, almost finishes Mataus Gamrott in round one.

He had it heard bad.

He did.

Oh, man, that guy. What a legend. What an absolute legend.

Fair play. Well done to everybody that competed at UFC 299. Incredible event. All right, today's episode We're sponsored by Mando. That is Mando's deodorant products. And listen, if you're one of those guys that struggles with BIO, if you struggle with sweatiness, if you struggle with a natural odor that is unattractive, then Mando is here to save your day. Mando is clinically proven to control body odor for 72 hours wherever you stink, pits, package, feet, and beyond. So make the switch to Mando, whole body deodorant, and smell like a zero every day. What am I talking about? Well, if we did a zero to 10 scale with 10 being the worst, okay, what do you smell like? Because in a clinical study, men who showered with soap and used Mando, whole body deodorant in their pits had an order score of zero out of 10 after 12 hours, right? No odor. Men who showered with soap alone had an arm pit order score of eight out of 10. As I say, it keeps going and works for 72 hours. It was created by a doctor who saw firsthand how normal B. R. Was being misdiagnosed and mistreated, clinically proven to block all day and control order for 72 hours.

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That's it. We. Yeah, it's how you say you're having fun. You refer to yourself and some other people. Yeah, so Cedric Dumebe, he was in the main event, PFL Paris, big time spot. In the third round, he looked down at his toe. He was pointing at it, complaining to the referee. His opponent decided not to engage after seeing that. And then again, they both looked to the rep. At that point, Goddard stepped in, called the whole thing off, included in the notes, a referee breakdown of exactly why that happened, if you wanted.

Do we have the video, Brian? The video is doing the rounds on Twitter. I saw it straight away when it happened and didn't watch the event. I said you're doing there's a big deal in Paris, big signing for the PFL, apparently. Former kid boxer, tons of hype around him. Don't know too much about him. Here we go. Or let's have the big John McCarthy.

What we have right now, if you're looking, when you see Baki, he does back up. But when you see Cedric Dubai say, I have something wrong with my foot. There's nothing that's been done that's illegal, so he's going to have to fight through the injury. It's what we call self-inflicted. And then you see them start to go, and Baki stops like, Hey, you don't want to fight. Cedric, again, looks at Mark Goddard and points to his foot, illustrating that he has an injury to his foot. Once that's done, Mark Goddard has got to call the fight. The fight is over. It is a tactical knockout victory for Baki, based upon what we call a self-inflicted injury.

Thanks, Brian. So I saw nothing but an outpour of abuse to Mark Goddard regarding that stoppage. He did the correct thing. A referee It needs to be assertive. They need to make split-second judgments and take action against it. And at that moment in time, listen, I feel for Sejit Duba because there was something wrong with his toe.

They're saying there was a splinter from the cage.

A shard of glass is what I saw.

A shard of glass, yeah.

I mean, that sucks. It does. It really sucks. But unfortunately, you could have a shard of a fist in your eyeball. You could have a broken nose. When the fight starts, I mean, granted, maybe you could have waited between rounds. But if you have to stop, and it is a shame if it was a shard of glass, that obviously shouldn't be inside an octagon. I don't know how the hell that happened. But if that is the case, it's a massive shame. But still, it doesn't affect that Mark Goddard made the right decision.

See, I feel like I totally disagree. I felt like he jumped the gun a little bit before finding everything out exactly. And maybe that wouldn't have changed the result. But I think it's his reaction that people are getting angry about because he just jumped in, he stopped it, he seemed a bit aggressive with the stoppage. And so when Cedric was trying to give his case, Goddard blew him off like, No, fuck that. This is over. I think if he would have just stopped and said, Hey, what's going on? And he said, Hey, I got a piece of glass on my foot. It's killing me. Or something, I stepped on something in the octagon. And then Goddard, even if he did have to stop it anyways. Maybe seemingly a little more caring, I think it would be less.

I understand what you're saying. I understand, and I'm not going to disregard what you say there at all, because when you put it like that, it's hard to argue with that. However, everything's hindsight in 2020.

Maybe God has thought he rolled his ankle or broke a toe or something, and he's complaining about it, so he stops the fight. I think if God could go back and do it again, I bet he would change that a little bit. Maybe that doesn't change It's the result of the fight, and he still has to stop it. But I think the approach and how it's viewed from the outside looking in matters to people.

I think it appeared like he was complaining that it hurt his toe.

Right. But I don't think God gave him a chance to explain it either. I think it would have been much easier to explain that to the crowd and to the onlookers and even to Cedric. Say, Look, I get it. This really sucks, but here's the rules, and this is what we have to go by. I have to stop this fight because of a self-harm or self-injury or whatever it is. And I don't think then Cedric probably not going to have this huge freak out either. Say, fuck. All right, that's the rules. That's what it is. Sure, he's still going to be upset, but I don't know. I think sometimes- Did he freak out? He was upset for sure because I don't think he felt heard. That's what it seems like. He didn't feel like he was being listened to. And Goddard was like, he seemed a bit aggressive. He seemed a bit aggressive about it. And I like Mark. I think I think he does a really good job. I think that I have done a much better job in the last couple of years of commending good jobs by referees more so than I used to, saying, Hey, I think this rep did a really good job here.

He did a good job here. But I'll still say we probably could have went about that a little bit better.

Yeah, the way you laid out there, it sounds like it would have been a more definitely palatable outcome.

This is entertainment. It has to be the way that people consume it matters.

It is, but it's not entertainment to the referees. The referees, and Mark Goddard takes his job extremely seriously. I think that's maybe why the people coming on board thinking he was not being sympathetic to It was the fighter. But at that moment in time, he's like, A referee is going to call it Black and White. And he does. He's right to the rule book, to the fine letter. He's like, This is the rules, and there's probably no gray area. I wonder if there is any... And Big John McCarthy, another, well, the most experienced MMA referee. He was a referee, UFC what? The first ever UFC fight, first ever proper sanctioned MMA fight. It wasn't sanctioned back then, but you get the point? Yeah. He's on the side of Mark Godal as well. I understand what you're saying.

I'm not anti-Mark. You know what I mean? I just feel like- You're anti-Mark. It's fine. No, I love Mark. I just feel like, esthetically, we We could have done it. We could have made that a little bit better.

We?

Yeah.

We don't think that was fucking... There's no glass in the UFC cages, bro. That's true.

How do you get a glass in a cage? That's a bigger problem.

I have no idea. How do you think? Do you think it was like when it was getting built, put together, constructed?

Possibly. Or maybe one of the commissioners stepped on a broken bottle, a broken beer bottle somewhere, and tracked it in. That's possible. Yeah. It was just shitty.

It is shitty.

I'd be burning down the building if I didn't get my money.

How was he doing? How much did you watch the fight? Was Dumebe winning up until that point?

I'll be honest with you, I haven't, but I have a graphic up here that has the PFL smart scoring system. I'll let you know more.

It's a smart scoring system, so it should have it. It's AI generated. We should know. We should know.

What bad podcast was that we didn't watch the first two and a half?

Bro, I can only consume so much.

Yeah, my brain is- I'll be honest.

299 here.

Yeah.

Joshua, you're not going to die. Pfl, it's not there. I'm sorry. It's not there. I watched the highlights.

So I have it here. It was his His opponent was up. I'm sorry, Dumbé was up by two strikes total, but his opponent was up for take downs to none. So likely Dumbé was moving that.

Regardless. Okay. How many of you have anything else, buddy, before we get to questions, and thank you all for watching and being here this long, if you are.

Nothing that's pressing.

No, it's not of my knowledge. You said, When we stopped for a break before, it's not in the show because we edited it out. We made an answer. It went for a peep. You listed three subjects.

I did.

You did.

That's why I said I only wanted two. We had the conversation. What was the other one?

It was UFC 300's Bout order, both the The final fight on the card being announced as well as the Bout order of what's going to be on the main card and what's going to be on the prelims. As noted, Cody Garbrandt is going to be the first fight on the card. Added this weekend was Hinata Moikana versus Jalen Turner. The big sticking point for a lot of fans is that Bo Nickel will be on the main card against Cody Brundage rather than the prelims.

Yeah, and there's a lot of people chatting shit online about that, about Bo Nickel and Cody Brundage being the first fight on the main card. I have no issue with it. So Yuri Prohasca, Alexander Rakic. I'm looking at the Wiki page. It's not in order, but from what I remember, that's the pre-lim headliner. Very, very relevant fight in the light heavyweight division. Rakic is phenomenal. He's very good. Prohasca, obviously, the former champ looking to get back on the horse. Then you start off the main card. It'll be Bo Nikol. Oh, no, I believe the first fight is actually Charles Oliveira versus Armin Saurukian. Then it's Cody Brundage versus Bo Nikol. Then you've got Gagey Hulaway, Janwe Lee, and then Pereira and Jamal Hill. I have no issue with that fight being on the main card. I will explain why, but do you?

No, none. It's intriguing. People want to see him. People want to watch Bo. So whether he's got a ranking or not, this is entertainment. You give the fans what they want. They want to see him fight. They're interested in Bo Nickel, and they're trying to build him.

Exactly. That's my point. They're trying to build him, and he's showing phenomenal potential. He's only 5-0, but he made his debut on the Contender Series. All wins, all soppages, all the first round, all the potential in the world. So they've a really clean, cut, well-spoken, intelligent, American wrestling phenom. They have an American version of Hamza or Habib Nama made of that has shown he can strike as well. Why would you not give him a big spotlight? The pop that he got from the crowd in his last fight blew me away. He shows people are really, really watching. When he knocks out Bal Woodburn, people are on board. The hype trade for Bo Nikkel. So, yeah, you give him the spotlight on the main card at UFC 300. He goes out, hopefully, maybe. I don't know. I'm not saying hopefully. I know he's your boy. Hopefully, he gets knocked the fuck out.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

I pulled that one back, didn't I?

Yeah, you still reeled that one back in.

Hopefully, he loses. Yeah, that's called being a promoter. Shut the hell up.

People need to get over it.

Get over it. Now, what do you think, UFC 300 or UFC 299?

What do you mean? Which one's going to be better?

A better card?

I don't know. They're both really good.

I know. It doesn't matter. Ufc 299 was one of the best events ever.

Yeah.

Ufc 300 is phenomenal.

I think I'll pay for it. I'll tell you after 300, which one was better.

Yeah, exactly. But the fact that It's even a conversation in the first place. He's crazy. Can't wait for that one. You're working 300. I'm working 300.

Hell, yeah.

Tnt Sports is working 300.

Let's go.

We got Power Slap the Day of the Way-ins.

Yes.

I'm triple-dipping.

Now I need to make sure that I'm the catcher.

Espn TNT Slap. It's going to be a busy week. It's going to be a busy week.

That's why you're rich.

I'm not rich for one. I'm going to have no voice. I'm overworked. I'm I'm not on the pay. I get paid very well. I'm very happy. No complaints.

There we go, reeling it back again.

I'm reeling it back. He's a back-reeling son of a bitch. If you got a question, send it into bympot@gmail. Com. Ladies, gentlemen, we will play your videos. A lot of people complain and say, I've sent in four questions, and it never gets played. I will say this, Brian is the judge, the jury, and the executor, executioner. But he executes whether or not he decides the video is worthy or even being presented. So there must be a reason.

I show you some of the videos that don't make it.

Yeah, on occasion, you'll say, You got to check this one out. But after. But typically, on the show like this, I say, We got any questions? And he goes, Yeah. If you don't make the Brian cut, talk your shit to Brian. I beat the case right. Get on Twitter.

Go out there. They for sure do.

No. At the Harrington as well.

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So first question we got here is from Jake Zakowski.

Yo, what up, I am Jake here from Pennsylvania with another quick question. My question for you guys is, do you think the UFC will ever change their gloves? I know Onyx makes a really nice pair that doesn't promote the hand opening up. And my other question is, do you guys also think that Parilla looks like Jessie Pinkman? It's hilarious. I've been watching the Embedded and I We're waiting to wait for this weekend. Hell, yeah.

Well, thank you, Jake. To answer your question, Brian, pull up a picture of Jason Parilla because he does. He looks just like Jessie Pinkman from Breaking Bad. Speaking of which, Anthony, give me a Breaking Bad Progress Report, please.

Oh, it slowed down a little bit. But we're still chipping away. Not quickly. We're still chipping away.

What season? Don't bullshit me.

Season 2, I believe. We're chipping away, I think.

Got to do better.

I know. Got to do better.

This is how good it is because Lucas, I've said it before many times, it's the only show that he watches. When he comes in from training, he's having his dinner, and it's about 8:30, so it's getting late, and we go to bed around then. So Rebecca's doing her final things. She's stacking the dishwasher and all that type of stuff. And I'll be like, Oh, fuck. I've got to do a YouTube video for the morning. Whatever. When I come out, Lucas is always sat watching Breaking Bad. It definitely does when you do the side-by-side. Oh, dear. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. Thanks. And I'm like, Lucas, there's other shows to watch. And at that moment in time, I don't know what season it is, Jessie Pinkman is making a ton of dough. Soul Goodman, the Crooked Lawyer, is coming, and he sits in down and he's talking about buying the place where they're sitting in as a money laundering facility to wash the money. And then he listens to the whole pitch, and Jessie just goes, So you want me to buy a nail salon so I could start paying taxes? I'm a fucking criminal. I know, yo.

And I started laughing at Lucas. He's like, See? Best show ever, dad. And it is, Anthony, come on, pick it up. What was the question? The gloves?

The gloves. I don't know that they'll ever change it. I know that Trevor Whitman and them have had conversations about using his gloves, but I don't know where those went or why it died. I think I've heard some rumors, but I have no idea what the UFC is planning for their equipment. I think the ones that we got now are okay.

I think it could do with being a bit improved. I think it's worth looking at. Obviously, eye pokes are a very prevalent injury. Almost every five night, there's somebody gets poked in the eye, and sometimes big I think high-profile fights have stopped because of them. I think there's a solution. I've always said, I feel like there should be a mechanism that forces the fingers to bend. So you got to use the strength to straighten the fingers to clasp. I agree.

They could be better. I just don't know that that will happen. At some point in time, they will. I just don't know when.

Anyway, Brian, what else do we have, buddy?

All right, next question we have here is from Mr. Rupin. I'm not I'm not sure if that's how you say that or not.

Hey, BYM crew. Long-time listener and supporter here. Love you guys. It's the number one Armin Thrukean fan here. I was watching my boy at the UFC 300 Q&A. I'm just getting so mad at the fans, asking dumb and disrespectful questions over and over. My question is, what do you think the UFC can do to improve fan interaction? Maybe those Q&A's, I'm not sure. Also, have you guys ever had any close calls or scuffles, or have How have you interacted with disrespectful fans in your careers? Thank you very much. Love you guys. Peace.

Thank you for the question because I'm glad you brought that up. Did you see that, Anthony?

I didn't. No, I didn't know what you were talking about.

Yeah, so obviously, they do the guest fires before the way And then people can come up and ask questions. And there was about three or four guys, and they came up and listen, it's one thing to have your favorite fighter. Maybe you don't like this guy, and you might be a little bit close to the edge, but they were just I forget what they said now, but it was really bad. They were very, very insolent. You're going to get knocked the fuck out. Fuck you, Arman, and all this type of stuff. And Arman just sat there and took it all. But it was so disrespectful. The fact that he's gone all that, gone there, he's sitting there on stage. He steps foot in the octagon. You wouldn't say that to his goddamn face. You know what I mean? Have a little bit of respect. It was disgusting, to be honest.

Well, yeah, that's terrible. I've never had any experiences, nothing like that ever. Of course, we've all been booed or cheered or whatever when we're walking out and you're in the octagon, but never any one-on-one interaction like that ever.

What about in public? You ever had a negative?

No. But I'd have came off that fucking stage. I'd have walked right down there and said, No, we're going to have a conversation.

Let's talk. The UFC, it's not they can't police every individual on what they're going to say when they get on the microphone. You would imagine that the average Each fan has decency and has respect for what they do, because unfortunately, the world, there's a few assholes here and there. I think for the most part, most people are good people and there to enjoy the fights in the spirit of the occasion. So I don't think they need to set any rules. But I think if anyone wants to go up and speak like that, they should get fucking thrown out.

Yeah, get them out of there for sure. I agree with that. I agree with that. Definitely throw them out of the Q&A.

What are you doing? These are stars. These are guests, our guests.

They're here for you.

We shouldn't have to tell I need to be respectful. I'm trying to think of a similar situation. I just remember, what was it? I always remember this. It was years ago when I was coaching the ultimate fire. I was in Las Vegas. It was like 10:00 in the morning outside like a Ralph's. Then just a car drove by and they ran down the window. Fuck you, Bisping. Then just drove off. I was like, Go on. It was one of my first times getting recognized. That's I was like, Oh, yeah. I don't give a fuck. He knew who I was.

Yeah, they know me.

Yeah, that's why people know me, guys.

Yeah, I'm famous. Just the old famous bisping over here.

I'm not quite sure how to put this, but I'm a big deal.

You are.

My apartment smells of leather-bound books. Oh, no. My apartment smells of rich mahogany and reeks of leather-bound books.

Yeah.

Whatwhat's the movie?

Is that a quote? What's the movie? I don't know.

I'll give you another clue. So what Colombo going for today? For this one, I'm pulling out the big guns. They call it Sex Panther because it's made of real bits of panther. What is that? You know the Dutch studies, 60% of the time, it works every time.

What is that?

Oh, my God. Veronica Cornington. Dorsey Mantooth is a saint. It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

What is that?

Don't say it, Brian.

I don't know.

Sky Rockets at Night.

I don't think I know the movie.

Oh, God. Brian, do you have another quote to tease Anthony with? Because I'm running out.

I love Lamp.

I love Lamp. Do you really love Lamp, Brian? I'm going to put some random things in here and say you love them.

What is it?

Anchor Man.

I've never seen Anchor Man.

Oh, God. You've never seen it?

No, never.

I watched it Friday night.

We had to end the show with another movie I didn't fucking know.

I watched it Because I've been showing Lucas like classic '80s and '90s action movies. We've done the Commando. We've done the Swartzenegers, we've done the Van Dam's, and we did Equilibrium last week. That's a good one. Christian Bale. We've done Dark Night. We did Big Trouble in Little China, that all genre. Then now we've gone into the comedies, and I'm like, Oh, my God. We've just opened the door to so many more films. We did Anchor Man. He loved it. Yesterday, we did Happy Gilmore. Have you seen That one.

That's a great movie.

That's a good... He loved it as well. I don't know what we're talking about. Should we end the show? We got one more, Brian?

We sure do. This is from an old friend, Dallas Bowling.

What's going on, guys? Dallas from Staten Island. I know it's been a while since you heard from me. I'm still here, still listening, still tuning in to every episode. Still a huge fan of all you guys. You know I got love for Mike, Brian, Harrington, Anthony. He probably doesn't know who I am, but I'm still tuning in. It's about 6:50. I'm rushing home Saturday night, trying to get home for some of these pre-limbs because you know I got to be watching the UFC 299 raining out here. Now, I just finished the latest episode. Harrington, you have a time machine. You can go back to any time you want. But yeah, let's go back to 2023, March, and buy Bitcoin for $25,000. Sure, you'll make some money because it's whatever it's worth right now. Why not go back to March, 2011, I can pay 86 cents? I said I wasn't going to do this again. I wasn't going to say it. I wasn't going to say it, but fuck Harrington. That's right. I said it. Fuck Harrington. Nothing but love for you guys. Enjoy the fights. And hey, if you go back to March 2011, we'll probably sit next to Dana White right now, me and you, Harrington, because we'll be that fucking filthy rich or whatever.

Shout out to Louis, the baby boy always.

He just couldn't do his own podcast. We just sit here and do nothing.

I just figured I'd put him on to yell at Harrington.

Yeah, no, I get it. Was that Thursday's episode when Anthony wasn't on? Yes. Harrington was asked if he had a time machine, and I'll throw the same question to you, and this is how we finish the show. He was If you had a time machine, what era would he go back to? And I think he said, I'll go back to 2023 and buy Bitcoin at 28 grand. A guy bought a Bitcoin. I did the math on this because Bitcoin is at 70,000 now. A guy bought a pizza for 30,000 Bitcoin years ago when he first was able to buy something. In today's money, he spent $2.1 billion dollars on a pizza.

That's insane. I That's crazy.

If you had a time machine, Anthony, any period of civilization, and the time machine allows global travel at the speed of light as well.

I don't know that this is my real answer, but this is definitely one of the times I would go back to, and people are going to hate me for this. I was just saying the other day, I miss the COVID pandemic.

Of all the answers, of all the time periods, I'm thinking because I said, Rebecca wants to go back to the Victorian days. I'm sure some people say, I want to be around as a caveman and the dinosaurs and stuff like that. You pick, I thought you were going to say ancient Japan.

No. High times. No. No. No.

The Wild West of Eastwood.

I missed the COVID pandemic. The fucking pandemic. Because I was also telling... I don't remember who I was telling. It doesn't matter. I I think about, sometimes when I'm traveling, and you see a homeless person, and I always think, for a split second, I'm a little bit jealous of him because he has nowhere to be, no real sense of time because they're waiting on going anywhere. No one expects anything out of them. No one wants anything from them. In that small little dose for just a second, I'm like, Man, that's got to feel nice for just a couple of days. No one needs anything from me. You don't have to be anywhere. No one's expecting anything. You're not having to fix something for someone. I think that'd be nice. But during the COVID pandemic, it was just like, it'd be like you lost sense of days. You just wake up and there's nothing to do. There's nowhere to go. Drink lots of beer in my driveway at noon with my neighbors. I had a lot of fun just hanging out and really having nowhere to go.

You make a good case.

You make a good case. It wasn't bad.

Rebecca, that was her favorite time. She wanted the lockdowns to never end.

See, I didn't like the lockdowns just because it sucked for a lot of people. I don't mean to piss off people. They had a really bad experience through COVID. But it wasn't that bad. Me and my kid, we did our homework in the mornings. We cooked breakfast together. We hung out. We went to the pool. My world was just a lot simpler and a lot of fun.

That's what Rebecca loved about it. She said, Well, I live for my family. We're all here under one roof. She doesn't like to go out. She doesn't want to go out. She never wants to leave the house. And now you're all forced by government regulations to stay here. We can't leave. We're going to hunker in. We're going to stack the cupboards. We're going to lock the doors, and you motherfuckers aren't going anywhere. She loved it. I hated it. I didn't mind it. Flip time for the homeless person, freezing cold, absolutely starving, dying for a shower. He's got a really bad, nasty tooth infection, and But nowhere to be. I understand that point, though, what you're saying.

But the rest of it, I get. I don't mean to make fun or poke people, but I do think that sometimes, damn, the peace of mind that you have to have just in that sense It's got to be cool.

Yeah, because I think the point you're making, because I say this a lot when I'm talking to my wife, I'm like, Years ago when I lived there, the first house that we bought, and I just had my little job, but he had the factory and whatnot, and we We were broke. We were broke, but it was simpler times. It was. Don't get me wrong, the amount of stress that I have to go through these days, and it's like, cry me a crime, your river. Okay, fair enough. But it's stressful. My life is stressful. Back in the day, it didn't matter because money was tight, but I didn't give a fuck.

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm 100% with you.

I didn't care. Don't get me wrong. Now, it's like, Shit, got to be careful what to say. Got to do this. Got to be on a plane. Got to go there. Got to do that. Got to do I've got 50, 100 emails I got to answer. You know what I mean? No wonder I drink.

Bring back COVID for a week. Just like a week. I was going to say two. Maybe two. I was going to say maybe two. Maybe two. Let's shut it down for a month. Let's shut it down for a month. They call it good. One month out of every year, let's shut it down.

Just have a vacation.

No, because when you go on vacation, then my wife's got all this shit planned.

We got to go here on the road.

Vacation's the worst. Here in fucking hotels, you're eating at restaurant. No, just shut the door down for one month.

You know what Rebecca hates about me? I probably made myself sound like a dickhead here. Because when we go on vacation, and we're finishing the show on this, I can see the anxiety on Anthony's face. We started early because we needed the show to show, and he's got somewhere to be, and he's like, What's going on about when he goes on vacation?

No, I want to hear the story, but I just got to go after this. It's not a story.

Dude, I got to go. My neck's killing. Whenever we check into In the hotel, Rebecca dreads it because I've hived it up in my head, and I know what we've spent, and I've seen the pictures online, and I expect a certain something.

It doesn't look like this.

We get there, and it's disappointed. I am not happy Happy. She's like, I don't know, get in the room. I'm like, What the fuck is this? It's tiny. She's like, It's not that small. I'm like, It's tiny. I'm like, Do you know how much these rooms cost? The whole thing, the whole shebang altogether, it cost this amount, and this is it. She's like, Oh, God. She's like, She She's praying.

I'm the Rebecca in my family, where I'm just like, It's fine. It is what it is. There's no bugs. That's what I always say.

It's just because I want everyone to have a good time.

Right. I get that.

That's the only reason.

And that's why I convince everyone that it's okay, because she's like, I don't like that. It's fine. Look, it's great. Everyone has a place. We're good to go.

I get it. And we only want you to have a good time. So we hope you did. Subscribe and ring the bell if you haven't done so. We'll be back on Thursday. Take care.