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Well, listen, let's start with that main event. I mean, look, listen, and thanks for stepping in, by the way, Paul Felder, you the man. Anthony will be back next week, ladies and gentlemen. So sit tight, all you Anthony Smith fans. Listen, I say we all, I certainly do. I think the German consensus, people love Volkanovski. You know what I mean? He's just a solid guy, great human being. Playing up to the whole old man thing was hilarious. He fights all the time, takes on the best challenges, all the rest of it. It's just a tough bloody sport. But let me ask you, Paul, what did you make all week leading up to it Teporia was so confident, changed his bio. He was making a documentary about how he was going to become champion of the world, said he was going to knock him out in round one. What was your thoughts on all of that?

Man, at first, I'm one of those guys. I've always been a pretty humble guy. So when I see that stuff, I just put myself in those shoes, and I could never do that, right? Because I've never been that confident. My God, I wish I had the confidence that somebody like Teporia or somebody like Connor has, but that's just never been me. But, man, I've got some friends that are big fans of the UFC and gamble a lot. And a lot of my friends in the know, they were on the Teporia Hype train. They believed that he was going to get it done. And I kept arguing, it's recency bias. You're Looking at Volk, coming off of a knockout to a bigger guy, blah, blah, blah. But my God, dude, he's good. And we knew he was good, but he's got the swaggerer. He's got the confidence that he showed. He really is setting himself to be that next big thing. Living in Spain, wanting to bring the UFC there. I know Dana said he's interested in trying to get the company over there. I want to go to Spain.

Me too.

I have no problem with that. Let's go to Spain. No issues. But I like this kid, man. I got to hang out with him after he fought Jai Herbert in London for a little bit in his room. It was me and 40 other dudes from his camp, though. It was an interesting party that was going on in that room, drinking champagne. Tepori was like, Dress shirt, all these gold chains. But he just carries some confidence, man. Even when I was talking to him in London last year, he just exudes confidence, and he believed in himself, and he got it done. I can't believe he got it done as early as he did, too. It looked like Volk was figuring things out a little bit. They were having some nice exchanges, but that boy can crack, Michael.

Man, it was the exact same right hook that he floored Jai Herbert with. That thing is powerful. And the crazy thing is, speaking about his potential, we only saw one part of his game. I mean, the UFC did that fantastic little package all about his build-up. Did you see where they had him dressed as a bullfighter and stuff? That was fantastic. Wrestling at four years old, high-level jiu-jitsu. The man can do it all at the highest level, as you said, the mindset, the confidence, and then to knock out Volk like that, to floor him. And Volk, he was out for quite some time. He was really scary. I know he said that. I had a feeling that it was going to be a hard fight for Volk, but I didn't expect that. I didn't see Volkanoffsky crumpled on the floor. And he even said, I'm going to stumble and I can crumble him. The man's a sound bite machine.

Listen, I've seen all the comparisons to him and Connor recently. The tattoos, the swagger, even grabbing the belt like Connor did.

I know.

Against Jose Aldo. He did the same thing. When they put them side by side, it's like, holy crap. I mean, this kid is just taking the template, taking what do I got to do to become a superstar? First of all, we both know this, you got to have it first before you do any of that other nonsense. And you can't take that away from Tuporia or even Connor when he was in his prime. You can talk all the talk. You can do all the stuff at the press conference. You can be loud, you can be brash, but you got to show up and get the job done. And he did that. The guy looks the part, he talks the talk, but then, man, he walked the walk and went out there and put away Volk the way he did. In a lot of ways, he did it even more impressively. I don't know, head kick knockout from Islam, but he did it with Volk on a full camp. At least when Islam did it, weight class difference, short notice fight, big weight cut for Volk, coming off surgeries. Volk was right to have all the excuses in the world going into that second fight with Islam.

This time, prepared, had a little time off, and he said it, no excuses. I got caught up against the fence where I knew I couldn't be with this guy. But Tuporia just... He doesn't rush things, man. He just walked down using the jab a little bit, setting things up. And then when he lands, look out.

I mean, it was phenomenal. It really was. Vokunovsky says he wants to rematch him again straight away, which I understand, of course. We were talking a little bit on the end of the broadcast. I get it as a fighter. Of course you do. You want to get back in there and you want to fight for the belt again. You want to take back what was yours. And of course, the paydais and all the rest of it, everything that comes with becoming champion. But more importantly, he wants to do it because he wants to be the champion. Never mind the money, the fame, the accolades, revenge. I'm the champ. I'm the goddamn champion. I want to fight for that belt and right the wrongs. But now coming off the back of two stoppages in a row- Two bad ones Two, Michael.

Two bad ones.

Three out of his last four. I mean, that puts Volk at a big disadvantage going into that rematch if it does, in fact, take place.

Yeah, I agree. And I thought the same thing when I saw him saying, Okay, I want the rematch. And you're goddamn right. Of course he does, right? That he's a competitor, and he's the greatest featherweight. And for all that to get taken away from you after all these fights with Islam, then this fight, it's got to be so frustrating. I mean, you were the goat. You were one of the guys that we're talking about, just hands down best featherweight, unbelievable, the who's who, he's beating everybody. But age, man, it just happens. It doesn't happen gradually for everybody either, right? It can just be almost seemingly overnight. And I feel like that's what we're witnessing is he's now, what, 37?

No, I think he's 35.

Is he only 35?

He's not that old. No, no, no. He's not set and done.

No, no. I mean, 35 is definitely not Not that old. Or even 37 is not that old.

No.

But I'll tell you what, at 39, almost 40 myself, it made me go, I don't know.

I'm talking a lot about a come back.

I slowed my roll a little bit on that when you see these young guys like Teporea, man. It's like, holy crap.

Let me ask you, Paul, did you ever get knocked out?

Not like that. No. I got more of my damage, probably in sparring than I ever did in the cage, luckily. But I Definitely took some head kicks and stuff throughout the years in training with Cowboy over the years.

Oh, no, I'm sure. The reason I asked that is because I did on multiple occasions. And definitely, regardless of however tough we all say we are, we think we are, when it comes to it on the night, when you've just been stopped, when you've been knocked out in your fight before, there's a little bit of doubt in the mind because no longer you're not invincible. You know you're only a human being, and the entire world does More importantly, so does your opponent. They know you can be hurt. And now, as I say, two times in a row. So for Volkanovski, listen, I get it, but I'm not going to say, Don't do that. He's an incredible fighter. He was the pound for pound number one. But I'd say take some time off. Only 35, I'd say take a year off. Take a year off. Take six months off. Enjoy the spoils of your riches. Enjoy all your success. Spend some time with the family and come back hungry as a dog. Maybe let's And I'm not going to defend it against someone else in the meantime, because Teporia probably wants to stay active. But yeah, we're going to see a rematch.

I think taking a little time, hanging out with that family, letting the body rest up. He's been busy. He's been trying. But he mentioned it himself after that loss to Islam, that that's what he struggles with. It's the time in between. It's the time when he doesn't have a training camp. It's when he doesn't have a goal. So he needs to find something. I think this is a good time for him to go and figure out, okay, there is a cap. There is a ceiling to how long I can do this stuff. What am I going to do when it is finally done? I'm not saying to retire now. He's still got a lot of fight left in him. But maybe it's time to figure out what other things can I do? What am I going to do when I'm done making money through fighting? Is it coaching? Is it just staying in the gym? He's got to find ways to fill that time so that he doesn't lose his mind like he has been in the past.

So we'll see what he does. You're absolutely right. You bring up a fantastic point because when you are going from fight to fight to fight, you don't have time to think about anything else because it's all... What's the word? I'm sorry. All-consuming, 100 %. Now he is going to have some time. So, yeah, think about that. I'm sure a man like Boc has got a ton of options in Australia. Ridiculous popularity, the sports booming out there. He could run a gym. He's got money to invest in businesses and stuff like that, defending the belt five times, being a part of seven world title fights. He'll have plenty of cash. So So there's lots of options for it. But regarding the point what you said about it eats away at him, and he wants to get back in there, it's going to be even worse now because that's why it was eating away at him. Because Paul, I say this all the time, This is our egos. It's our goddamn egos why we want to compete, why we want to fight. Yeah, of course, there's the business side of it. Of course, there is. But we think we can do it.

We think that we're the man. We think we should rightfully be the champion of the world. So therefore, I'm going to come back I'm going to fight. So if that was an issue before, that's going to be compounded. It's going to be even worse for Valt now.

Yeah, that's why I think, hopefully, he can reflect, right? I think emotions run high, especially right after a fight, press conferences. Even the week after, he's going to be talking about he wants to get that fight back. But I think if he sits down with his family, sits down with the coaches, maybe they can slow his roll and be like, Listen, we're not saying you're not going to do that right away, but let's just take a couple of weeks and let everything settle. Let's see how you're feeling. Let's see how the head's feeling. Because a lot of times, especially after shots like that, you might feel all right for a little bit, but he might want to just chill out for a little bit and reassess everything as he calms down from the emotions of the fight. But you're right, dude. A guy like Volk, somebody that's just been the best for so long, it's going to drive him crazy. If he doesn't figure out now how to deal with these times in between fights.

Now, let me ask you this, Paul, and this seems like a weird thing to bring you on a podcast and ask about. You had an incredible career. You beat some legends, Charles Oliveira. I mean, the list goes on. What was your worst loss? And the reason I'm asking that is because to like it in the Vox situation. For me, clearly, the UFC 100 fight against Dan Henderson where I got flatland, that was my toughest loss. And yet to deal with that, I didn't process it, and I did what I think a lot of fighters do. You bury it inside. It's fine. Whatever. Move on. Shit happens. I got caught. It is what it is. But then eventually, one day later on, it caught up with me emotionally and whatnot. But what about you? What was your toughest moment?

That's a good question. I got a pretty clear one. It was when I moved up to 170 and I fought Mike Perry, when Cormier fought Steepay. We were like one of the featured bouts on that card, dude, and I went battle with that guy. And obviously, the dude, as we see now as bare-knuckle champion, Savage, hits like a truck, man. He's not a huge guy, but I've never been hit like that at lightweight, harder than when Mike Perry hit me. I broke My own bone really bad, so I had a snapped on the bone, so I couldn't move my arm at all. I had cuts all over my face, all in my hairline, just covered in blood. I've got some crazy pictures in the ambulance where it looked like I was a corpse. I was all pale. I was concussed like crazy. It was the same thing. A couple of days later, I just couldn't... Emotions were getting the best of me. I couldn't control everything. So that's why I knew that one was bad. I remember coming back home with Christine, and then you're doubting everything. I didn't have to take that fight. I took that fight because I had lost my opponent, James Vick, who got moved to another card.

I rushed into it. I was like, I can fight at 170. And then it's definitely the most damage to the head that I've taken in a fight.

It's a bitch, isn't it? Because as you said, you didn't need to take that fight. And a lot of the time, like we spoke against Islam in the second one, didn't need to take the fight.

And then you start saying, what if I didn't? What if I had just rested up, said no to the UFC then, then Then you get this Tupourya fight, but you haven't been knocked out. You haven't gone through anything. You know that's what's going to be mine, right? What if I didn't take that first one or the second one? The first one was competitive, awesome fight. Then that second one, man, he thought that was his destiny, and it wasn't. Then this one, he's like, No, this is my destiny to do this, and you get knocked out.

And that's when the self-loathing starts to come in your life. And everybody told me. My manager said it. My wife Don't do it. Don't do it. You're like, I got this, mate. Don't worry about it. Well, rest up, Bulk. You're an absolute bloody legend.

He's the man, dude. That's one of those things. It's sad for any MMA fan. If you're not a fan of Volkanoffski, I don't know what your issue is. You know what I mean? He's such a good dude. He's such a badass family guy, girl, dad, all the things. And it's tough to see him take a couple of big losses.

And the popularity. I mean, in the arena, when they showed his face on the screen or anything like that, the place just lit up. The energy from the crowd was absolutely phenomenal. So he's loved. He's loved. There's lots to be positive about, but we always dwell on the bad things. It's just human nature. I mean, he's He had an incredible career. He defended the belt five times. He's got a beautiful family to go home to. Money in the bank. Money in the bank, for sure. Definitely. Big money in the bank. When he fought in Perth, he flew there by a private jet. You know what I mean? He's got money in the bank. That's for damn sure. But he'll still be... I was going to say, he'll still be feeling sorry for himself. I don't know if he will. Do you know what I mean? He said, Listen, I've ruined other people's lives before. Mine eye got ruined. It is what it is.

I think he's just He's disappointed, man. He's a competitor to the max, max, max. So he's just going to be driving himself nuts with questions of what if, what if this, until he gets back in there. And hopefully that's a while from now, just so that we can see him at his best.

You've just given me the greatest segue of this show ever. He is a competitor to the max, max, max. But what about max, max, max, Hollowways? Because Max Hollowways is probably having similar thoughts He might be thinking, Why have I stepped up to fight Justin Gagey, when right now, the shot at the featherweight title could be right there. Listen, let's just assume sometime later this year, they do Spain bulk versus Sephora. Okay. Well, hypothetically, let's just say that fight doesn't come together. Justin Gage, he fights Max Holloway, UFC 300. Going to be a fantastic fight. If he wins and becomes the BMF, of course, What a story that would be then to go back down to '45 and fight to Poirier. If he loses, which I think a lot of people, when you sit down and you're honest, can make an argument for Justin Gage winning that fight. He's just bigger and It's like a truck. Do you think that affects Max Holloway's ability to challenge for the title against Toporia?

I think it depends on how it goes, because we've seen him do this before when he fought. Poirier didn't go his way, but it was a good fight, and go back down to featherweight. But I just think he's had so many chances at the belt. He reined as champion for so long. He lost the Vox so many times that even though Teporea is new in the Championship slot. I think if he gets dusted by Gechi, I think Tepore is going to be like... Not that he calls the shots, obviously Dana, Sean, Mick, the company is going to call those shots based on what's going to sell and what looks the best. But if he gets beat up by Gece, do you want to see him go right into a title shot with a Savage like Tepori? I love Max, and I love watching Max fight, but I think he's got to at least make it super competitive for us to consider or win. Now, if he wins, boom, slide him in the door. Max is right back up to the top. And that's got to be what he's thinking, Michael, right? He's got to be thinking, My God, I've fought the best dudes my whole career.

I was the champion for so No freaking long. I got to do something dramatic to get the attention of the fans to want me back, for the UFC to want me back in that big title shot, because with Volk, he could just be sliding right back in there. And then if he slides right back in there and max is the guy. It's like, All right, do we want to see that again? Not that there were not going to be great fights, but I think that chapter is definitely close. So a big win puts him, I think, boom, set that up. That'd be an awesome fight.

And best of luck to both men, of course. Staying on the UFC 300 thing, there was a little bit of a momentum for a moment that you were going to be on there versus Jim Miller. As we know, that ain't the case. It's Bobby Green. We were talking about getting older. Paul, if you don't mind me asking, what What's the situation? Are you going to be preparing for a different opponent, or where's the mind?

Man, the mind right now is back. I want to get back working more, calling more fights. It's been four months where I've only been... November till now, it's so freaking slow because there's at least a paper view a month, which me and you don't get every one of them like DC does most of the time. We get our spots like you just did this past week. You're doing great job, by the way.

We get the crumbs. We get some crack. Dc can't make it. Joe Robins doesn't want to travel. They're like, Who can we send to the other side of the world? Yeah, exactly. Hey, but hold on. This was in my backyard. This was 15 minutes away.

How far of a trip is that for you to go to Anaheim?

I liveI live in Anaheim.

Oh, my God. So you're there.

I live in Anaheim Hills, the bougey part. Fifteen minutes, literally. That's all it is.

Did you stay at home the whole time then?

Stayed at home the whole time. The wife came, kids came. We finished. We went to this little restaurant by our house. It's a very casual place. It's called B. J. Had a pizza, a couple of little drinks, home by midnight. It was brilliant.

That's awesome.

It was nice, man. I woke up in bed the next day, fresh as a daisy, wasn't going to an airport, none of that business. And the people of Anaheim and everyone in the crowd, what an ad that was. And of course, we got lots of fights to go through. But we like to sprinkle in a few non-MMA stories just to keep maybe some non-MMA fans interested. Let me ask you this. I'll start with this, and Harrington can jump on. Are you a Breaking Bad fan?

I did not finish the whole thing, but I have seen many episodes of Breaking Bad over the years. Hold on.

How can you start Breaking Bad and not finish it?

Michael, I'm so bad at finishing shows, dude, and I liked it. I think I watched the whole first season, and then just me being me, my commitment to watching shows is awful. If my commitment to watching shows was the same as my commitment to other things I've done in life, I would not have made it anywhere.

Oh, I know. Because we both do a little bit of acting, and whenever I'm talking to anyone in that world, Have you seen this one? Have you seen that one? Have you seen this movie? I'm like, no, no, no. Saturday night, there were so many bloody celebrities, obviously, Orange County, California, close to LA. And I was looking around because obviously, where we commentate, you look to the left, that's Dana's section where all the VIPs are. And I was like, I'm useless. There was so many people. I'm like, That person looks really familiar.

I shouldn't know that person.

I kept making eye contacts with Mark Zuckerberg all night, which was weird because Because he was right there in the section. And I'd look left to look at Anik. I'm looking at John and Joe because I'm on the end.

But it looks- He docks right over his shoulder.

My eyeliner is right there. Do you know what I mean? And I think he was like, Why you keep staring at me?

And I'm like, Why is this thing just keep staring at me.

Yeah. In the end, I gave him a little thumbs up and he smiled and waved. I'm like, Oh, God, that was cringe. What was I saying? Anyway, so yeah, the atmosphere, man, was brilliant. Harrington, the reason I ask about Breaking Bad is because, Harrington, the floor is yours.

I have a story out of Long Island. A 23-year-old, what they are calling a Brilliant Scientist, according to his legal defense, started a laboratory in Queens. This guy? Brilliant Scientist. Brilliant scientist. He started a legitimate laboratory that he claims was for studying the effects of cannabis on regular users. There was a break-in at his place at 3:30 in the morning, so he called the police there. When the police arrived, they found multiple ounces of methamfetamine, about $40,000 in cash, ecstasy, and tons of DMT. They got a warrant and checked the whole rest of the place. Turns out this guy was doing a full-on Breaking Bad style meth operation out of a Long Island research laboratory.

And he called the cops on himself.

He ratted himself out. He ratted himself out.

I mean, I've done some pretty stupid things in my time, but I'd like to think that if I was operating a high-level I was making the drugs.

If you are making the drugs, you don't call the cops no matter what. Even if somebody shows up with machine guns and is trying to kill you, listen, you're making the drugs. That's part of the job. If me and you, Michael, call the cops and we're at the gym and somebody's punching us in the face while we're training for a fight, you don't do that. And when you're making meth, you don't bring the police involved because somebody broke in. It's like, yeah, they broke in because they're trying to steal your It's funny because you're making meth and you have cash in your place.

Exactly. And they said, his lawyer was like, he's a brilliant scientist. He was studying the effects of drugs and stuff like that. He's like, All right. That's a good one. That's the best excuse you can come up with.

That's what I would say, too, if I was high on crack or meth. I'd be like, well, I was just trying to figure out how it affected me. That's all.

Yeah. And apparently there was a ton of fentanyl there as well. I mean, look, listen, the guy of that.

That guy got a face-to-face look thing going on. The one-sided... Can we get that guy's picture back up? Look at this guy. That's him on the right. His one-sided is not quite...

Just imagine.

Well, he's certainly not in the terminology. He's got a big head. Maybe he is smart. I mean, who knows?

Yeah, you never know. He's got a big old brain bulging out of there.

The big brain on Brad.

It looks like Pinky in the brain. You ever see that cartoon?

Oh, man. Yeah. And that's what he was trying to do. He was trying to take over the world.

What are we doing tonight, Pinky?

Same thing we do every night.

Yeah. Fentanyl. I don't know why that popped in my head. That's a big problem. Paul, you're in Philadelphia. How are the streets of Philadelphia these days?

They're not good. If you go down the city in certain parts of the city, it's really bad. And you can find where those places are at. You just see people on corners just doing the nod, the slump. That's been a pretty... Just heroine in Philly has been pretty bad, especially North Philly, Philly areas, where Eddie Alvarez and those guys in the Badlands and stuff like that. It's sad, man. You go on to the L train in Philly, down in North Philly, it's just like corps everywhere, man. People doing that slump, the dope slump, it doesn't even make sense how they are even upright still. You know what I mean? It's madness.

They're defying gravity. My girl and I, our routine watch, our screen saver at home, basically, is the security camera at the Kensington station.

Yeah, you know that.

That's where you see this zombies moving around Philadelphia.

So your screensaver on your computer or your TV is basically mocking poor, disease-strucking people, and you're just mocking them from your ivory tower, just laughing at them. These are real people, Harrington, with stories, with backgrounds, with brothers, sisters, families, mothers. And you're sitting there feeding the baby, laughing your heads off.

We both thought of an ivory tower, but it is nice to look at and be like, Yo, it's pretty good.

It could be worse.

We got to be grateful for what we got, Orijain. It could be bad out there.

Yeah, no, you're right. There's a part in England that I don't want to offend anybody in Blackpool. There's a town in Blackpool. It's about an hour away from where I'm from. I used to go there all the time. Oh, dude, it's terrible. It's terrible.

Every place has got that neighborhood that is just bad.

Some of the ugliest people you will ever see. Do you know what I mean?. Yeah, life isn't too bad. But when I used to DJ, there was a record shop that I liked called the Melody House. So I used to go there all the time, and Rebecca was like, Please, because I didn't have a driver's license, but We got together. As soon as we hooked up, I'm like, Oh, nice. I got a free taxi. So every Saturday, we would end up in Blackpool, and she goddamn hated it. I remember one day we were walking along, and there's a pleasure. It's called the Pleasure Beach. So there's a big It's like a Disneyland, if you will, but they call it the Pleasure Beach. So it's a massive tourist destination. It's a shithole, man. It's not like Anaheim, California with Disneyland. It's a dump. It is. Sorry, the people of Blackpool, you know it's true. I just googled people in Blackburn, and you fucking were not lying.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, well, hold on. They might be regulars on the show. Don't put their faces Yeah, they're like, What the... Michael. No, dude, we were walking along. It was a beautiful sunny day. It was summer. That was a rare. And we'd been to the record shop and we had the kids, Callum and Ellie. They were still in baby chairs, just strollers and stuff. And then just a massive fire broke out, like a big gang of gypsies ran across the street, and they had hammers in their hands. And I've seen a lot. I'm hard to shock. And the place This is packed shoulder to shoulder. People just getting mauled with hammers and baseball bats. It was like, What? Claw hammers. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, Yeah, we need to get out of here.

It's time to go. It was a bad day.

Bad day in Blackpool. Bad day in Blackpool. Anyway, if you're going to sell drugs, don't call the police on yourself. Don't call a cop.

Don't call a cop.

Don't sell drugs.

But if you're going to.

If you're going to, Don't call a cop. If you're dying of cancer and you're trying to raise some money for your family before you die and you are forced down this dark path, don't call the police.

Don't call the cops.

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Yeah, that was a phenomenal fight. Robert Whittaker almost got finished at the end of round one. But the speed, the ferocity, the combinations, take it away, Paul Felder.

Yeah. I mean, even at the weigh-ins, I was the weigh-ins for that fight, and that's when I was like, Yo, Robert Whittaker looks ready to go. You could tell he was ready to come back out and get back into that win column. And he had to overcome a lot to do it because Paulo Costa, he was game. And I'm so happy to see that because look, this dude's fun to watch no matter where or what or who he's fighting. We want him in this division. We want Paulo Costa active. The guy, when he actually makes it to the cage and into the octagon, he's must see fighting. And he He's entertainment in the press conference, in the buildup. He looks great, and he fights great. He's flexible like crazy. Can we talk about the flexibility of this dude? Those kicks.

Those kicks were ridiculous. Hold on. Look at this.

Boom. Dude, that's a picture-perfect spinning hook kick that he landed on the chin. I remember I couldn't believe it. I was here with my buddy Bill, and I'm like, How is he not... That was square on the face, spinning hook kick. With the heel. Perfect time.

With the But the head kicks as well. The fluidity, the speed. So flexible. Just whips them off.

So good. So I'm just glad to see him. I'm glad to see him back and motivated. And then I saw that he tweeted out that he'll be back. Thank you all for the support. He seems to be like, Yeah, I want to do this. I want to keep fighting. Because the only thing that was in Paulo Costa's way was either the negotiations himself. He wasn't happy with something. We'll probably never truly know what was going on, injuries or contract.

I spoke to one of his coaches last week, a guy called Gregory, I believe. I can't remember his last name, his strength and conditioning coach, but also his mind coach. And he was saying they've got his mind right now because there definitely was something a little off. And I was saying on the broadcast, physically, he's a 10 out of 10, A star, whatever you want to call it. He's a prime slab of Brazilian beef. He's got a gas tank as well. If you ask Maria, you're asking for the Paulo Costa cut. Do you know what I mean? That's the slab of steak that you want. But if the mind's right, and let's remember, he had a break as well. That was like first fight in two years or something. He hasn't had a busy schedule. He's only 32. But we got to talk about Robert Whittaker.

Dude, back. He's back, man. He had to fight hard. He had to dig deep, and he puts himself right back in contention. And things are mixed up in the division. You know what I mean? Israel is not holding that belt at the moment. So So he's looking for that rematch eventually, if he can get there, if it's still going to be in the hands of Drikus Dupleci. So things are wide open right now in that division for him. I think another win, right? At least, right, though, I think Rob has got to go beat somebody else because Drikus has got the belt. He lost to Drikus. He's also lost to Israel. So having a win over Paulo Costa, maybe jump in there, go beat somebody else. And eventually, we can't deny him to get back into that title shot. Rob has been around forever. You'd think he's 35 years old, and he's 33 years old. I've been watching him fight probably in the UFC before I was even thinking about turning pro. That's how long he's been in the UFC. When was his debut in the UFC? He was on one of the ultimate fighters, correct?

Smashes, yeah, which I think was like 2014, 2014 or '15. I'm going to say something right now, and this sounds really I'm disrespectful to Robert Whittaker, but it is not. It's not. It is, but it shows how wrong we were. When I fought Luke Rockhold at 199, was it Rockhold? It was somebody in Sydney anyway. I think it was Rockhold. Witzke was on the undercard, and I think he might have thought, what was he called? He had a catchy nickname. It wasn't Derek Brunson. What was his name? He had a weird... Anyway, whatever, regardless. He knocked out Derek Brunson a few years later. Wasn't Derrick Brunson, regardless. And he was warming up in the locker room. And Perillo said to me, because he looked... Because Robert's so technical, and he's so good, and he's so skilled. Pound for pound, middleweight division, his skills are as good as we've ever seen. But he didn't look like it in the warm-up room, and this is back in 2014.

Do you know what I mean? 2012 is when he came off of the show Buster.

Buster. Hold on. Let me look at who the hell I'm talking about. Anyway, he's warming up, and he looked like garbage. I'm warming up for Rockhold.

Clint Hester.

Clint Hester. What's his nickname? Anyway, whatever. He's warming up and he looked so bad that Parillo whispered to me, he goes, When do we get to fight someone like that? We're taking on Rockhold, who's an absolute monster. When did you get a matchup like that? I'm like, Yeah, no shit. Tell me about it. And now you look at the guy.

It's crazy.

It's unreal. It shows the work he's put in. And by the way, he won that night, and I lost.

That was Clint Headbusser, Hester.

Headbusser. I think, and Hamilton, stay on the screen. Tell me What do you think? Brian, join the party, if you will. Sean Strickland, Robert Whittaker, that's the fight to make. That makes all the sense. Everyone, Strickland is very popular. You want to see him back in there. He wants to get back to fight for the belt. Losing it on the first defense doesn't get you an automatic rematch, but a win over Robert Whittaker does. A win over Strickland for Whittaker probably gets him another fight against Izzy or Dreykis. What do we think? Am I out of my mind?

No, I can't think of anybody else in that top 10 who makes any more sense for Robert Whittaker. I mean, these are two guys with very similar styles. They're very fun to watch, very gritty dudes, fan favorites. And put it in Australia, where Strickland already has a rabid fan base, you're going to have shoes for days out there.

Yeah. Whitaker hasn't lost to anybody that wasn't a champion Other than Drikus Duplece, who is now a champion since Steven Wonderboy Thompson in 2014, when he was a welterweight.

Isn't that wild?

You look at his resume, the guy has been fighting the best. And his only loss is our champions, twice to Israel. And then obviously, he lost to Drikus, who is now the middleman. He's definitely elite of elite.

I talked about this a little bit last week, but I want to get your take on it. When I spoke to Whittaker last week, he was saying that he's going to go back to being nasty. He said that's what he was going to do. And I interpreted that maybe because he was short with his answers. You know how it is when you cut your weight and not get it.

That's just how Robert is in fighter meetings, right? He's pretty just matter of fact.

When I first started fighting, I was just I couldn't even remember the fight afterwards because I was just a million miles an hour, a blaze of aggression. You know what I mean? But then as you start to get better, as you start to learn some actual technique, as you start to control your emotions and use strategy and a game plan and all the rest of it, you get a little bit away from the animalistic nature of it at the same time. Do you know what I mean? So that's up here, but your technique's here. And then you come here, and then maybe it goes there. The animalistic nature goes down, but you're getting really technical. Robert was saying he's going to bring the animal side back up. And I think I struggled with that as well. Is that something that you found, Paul?

Yeah, it's funny you're saying because I can remember a point in my career, I think I was coming off a couple close losses Where I think since I started to do better and you're fighting better guys in an organization like the UFC, where everyone's really good, you talk about you're working with better coaches, you start to strategize more, you start to really hone your technique in, and you get away from what got you to the show. What got you there was because me, and it's similar to you, was just going out there and trying to crack heads. You know what I mean? Just going out there, elbow and knee and throwing big shots. And then that same exact thing. And I can remember at one point saying to my friends and family and teammates, I was like, I got to get back to who I was with what I've learned now. Like, okay, it definitely did do that dip where, okay, now I'm trying to be too I'm trying to be too clean. I'm trying to be too sharp. I'm not doing the craziness. I'm not going for it as much. So, yeah, that is absolutely something that I think a lot of fighters who get to a certain level, and Robert has probably gone up and down through that a few times now because he's been around for so long fighting the best guys.

Yeah, well, that's what he said he was going to do, go back to that style. He said he was going to get in the face, and he did precisely that. So Robert Whittaker, congratulations. We'll rip through. I want to go through the entirety of the main car real quick. What was before that? Ian Gary, Jeff Neil, Ian Gary. Maybe the loudest boos I've ever heard in an arena. Granted, I'm ignorant to my own booze. I got booed quite a bit. I don't think they were that bad. They were bad. They were loud. But you know what? As much as everyone likes to rip on him, and to be fair, he's to blame for some of it because he's very cocky cocky, and there's nothing wrong with being cocky. Some of the things and whatever. And a lot of the stuff has been out of line as well. Some of the stuff that people say about his wife is just disgusting, quite frankly. What Kolby said, disgusting at that press conference, right? But given all of that, all of that emotion, all of that hatred, all the booing in the arena, to stick to that game plan, and whether or not you liked it, whether or not...

I'm talking about the people watching. Whether or not they thought it was boring, Whether or not they thought he was backing up too much, to be that composed and to stick to that strategy, that takes a lot of discipline.

That's tough to do. I mean, your emotions run high, most people, at least. I know if people were hating on me and all that trash was being talked, you get out there, you want to shut everybody up, you want to prove a point. But you can see that he's proving that if it's bothering him, he's doing a really good job of putting on a poker face and putting it away and not letting it affect at least his performance performance, right? And he said it before. I'm showing up and I'm winning. They can hate me all they want. You can boo me all they want. But at the end of the day, I'm getting my hand raised and I'm undefeated. And he is right in that. If he can keep winning, even if it's not like you said, when you're fighting a guy like Jeff Neil, it's smart to fight like that. If you just stand and try to knuckle up with somebody like Jeff Neil, you're going to get your face beat in. The dude is good, and it was close. Jeff still almost was able to get him a few times. So you imagine if you just sit still and don't use your kicks, don't use your range.

And I think that's what makes him dangerous, Michael. He's a good counterstriker with his hands when you rush him. But if you don't rush him, he's got fantastic kicks, and he will just beat the crap out of you with head kicks, body kicks from that range all day long, and they're fast.

People on here watching this want to see us badmouthing him. I know they do because it's popular, and that's the bandwagon right now, okay? I'm I'm sorry. Some of that striking was absolutely beautiful. The knee that he landed? I was just about to say those advancing knees from the rear leg, right? My God, that's using your physical tools perfectly. Stayed on the outside, jumped in with those knees, landed that four or five times. I mean, yeah, high-level stuff.

Yeah. And especially with training camps being all over the place, things getting canceled, getting sick, the fight's not happening. He's been through a lot. Now, granted, like you said, some of it's self-inflicted. Some of it, he's just that guy that everyone is going to want to hate right now, right? He's the hot topic right now of MMA, where he's got this thing going on with his wife. She wrote this book. There's lots of things to nitpick and grab onto and go after him. And that's all good for him. Do I like all that? Do I like really cocky guys and people? Not really. But I He can still put that aside and watch somebody perform and go, The kid's got skills. Yeah.

So he's got skills. We cannot deny that. I think, for example, for me, one of the things that stuck out as to why he was getting booed was at the press conference when he got booed. He's like, Yeah, go on. You're all paying to see me. I'm the one that you all came to see. And it's like, Well, no. Came to see Paul. He came to see. And I think everyone accepts that. You're a great fight on the main card, of course. But That's the type of stuff that I'm talking about that rubs people up the wrong way.

It irritates people for sure.

Arrogance, cockiness, loads of fighters have it. Do you know what I mean? But when you talk about yourself at that level and you're already getting the shit storm, it just makes it easy for people to pile up. But hey, listen, congratulations. Jeff Neil is a tough SOB. I thought even Gary won, but I wasn't 100 % sure he was going to get it. It was close.

Yeah, it was very close. I agree. It's one of those fights where if it had gone the other way, I don't think Ian Gary can't complain and vice versa. Jeff can't really... There's a lot of times where you let him just counterstrike from the outside, land really good kicks, and then you get in for a little bit. But it was like, well, what are you scoring? Are you scoring the aggressiveness of Jeff Neil trying to get in? But he's getting countered really well on the way. So the strike count numbers, I think, were in favor of Ian Gary, for sure, if I remember correctly Yeah, quite significantly, I think as well.

Let me ask you this completely gone off topic. I don't know why this just popped in my mind. Obviously, I was commentating Saturday night, so only my second time doing it with Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is an extremely successful and famous person, probably has the biggest talking platform on planet Earth. I found myself a little not star struck because I've known Joe for a long time, but a little bit nervous. It took me a minute or a fight or two to get into it because I was like, to settle down. I'm like, right, I'm in the big boy seat now. I'm sitting there with Joe Rogan. I'm like, don't say... Because normally I'm a little bit more off the cuff or whatever.

Yeah, well, because you take the driver's seat, right? And you've earned that right to take the driver seat. If me, you and Brenda are working, you're the veteran there. Me and Brenda, we haven't been around doing that stuff. You've been on the desk working these shows forever, right? So you feel comfortable. But I agree with you when it's Joe, Even though we're the ones that got in there and fought, you're like, What do you think, Joe?

I'm like, Shit. I know. I'm like, Okay, okay. You know what I mean? By the way, he was absolutely awesome.

Plus all the eyeballs, Michael, right? We know that when we're working the pay-per-view, especially if we're working a big fight like Volk and Tuporia with Joe in California. Really good main card. I would get nervous, too. Yeah, Joe, but even more, just the amount of eyeballs that are going to be watching.

Yeah, you can really feel the difference. It was an absolute honor and a pleasure to call alongside Joe and John Anick. Let's be honest, John's the absolute man on a pay-per-view with all those tremendous fighters. You do feel a little bit of pressure, but that's why we like it. So real quick then, We're going to go through the other two fights as well. Mackenzie Dern, Amanda Lemosh. I thought Lemosch was phenomenal. I thought the striking was improved. We know Mackenzie Dern did well at the ends of rounds one and two. She managed to get on top. Mackenzie, she's got to clean up. I know she's trying to get her hands and trying to rush in and punch into a clinch, but she's leaving the chin so exposed. She's a lovely girl. I don't want to talk shit, but you got to clean up a little bit. It was a little sloppy.

Yeah, it's really sloppy. And again, I have nothing against her either. I'm not trying to ever throw anybody under the bus, but it's obvious that you got to work on that hard core because you just... And listen, what she doesn't need to work on is her toughness, her durability. Congrats, McKen, you are a badass for Sure. You going out there and throwing down, but you're swinging and missing horrifically, and that's just never good to leave. Thanks, babe. Sorry, my daughter, bro.

No, you're good. I do the same thing all the time.

But yeah, man, I was the same thing during that broadcast. I was like, Oh, God. And then to get the takedowns, but it's just too little, too late, right? If you could use your striking to get in closer to make people more vulnerable for the takedown, it would help her so much. But you're just missing so bad that your wrestling isn't good enough to have that level of striking. You know what I mean? If her wrestling was really elite, you might not need that grade of striking, but you can't be a mediocre wrestler and then have really bad striking and a phenomenal jiu-jitsu. There's no way to close that gap.

As you said, though, the toughness, because I got to say, I found myself having so much respect for her because she took her an ass kicking. Her face was a mess. It was bussed up. The eyes were swollen.

I thought she broke her eye socket. When she went down that one time, I thought it was over.

I was like, Oh, they're going all over her face. Then at the start of the third round, she's on her feet and she's giving it this to the crowd. I just thought, You are tough as nails. You At that point, I thought she might pull this off because the momentum at the end of that one round, it clearly shifted, and Lemos was definitely getting tired, and she was able to get takedowns.

But Lemos' jiu-jitsu is good enough where she just was able to stay smart and stay safe and land the damage.

I'm laughing because you know how it is. You do a pay-per-view, you do the weighing show, right? It's always a good laugh when you do those weighting shows. I'm We were doing... We were downing wine, downing a glass of wine.

What was the wine? Why was it wine?

I don't know. Probably because of Ilia Teporia. We all had to down a glass of wine. I did it In 0.28 seconds. One sip, it was gone. Anyway, and I felt it a little bit. You know what I mean? I had a little bit of a buzz on.

Especially wine. You chug a wine? Yeah. You're a dude.

And first thing in the morning, just got out of bed. Yeah, barely break. And I think Bobby did because Mackenzie Dern comes walking out to get on the scale, and Bobby just goes, Sheesh. Did you say that? Yeah. It was hilarious.

I would have had fun working. That would have been fun working with Bobby Green on there, too. That had to be entertaining.

Here it is. Darren hasn't had ice cream in a while. She looks fantastic. She Sheesh.

Because that's such an honest... He's not doing that. You could tell him when he saw it, he's like, Sheesh.

Yeah, that wasn't him trying to make a misogynistic remark or say something for the lads or try and be funny. That was him sitting there going, Sheesh. Look at that. Look at that. God, he was funny, man, because we were playing this game where we had to crack shell, soft shell, whatever. If there was a crack in the arm and you were a crack egg. And I felt bad saying that whoever was cracked, but we would just pick up there, he's a bomb, and throw it down in the thing about almost all the fighters, he's a bomb. I'm like, this guy's hilarious, man. Let's get more wine down, Bobby. Today's episode is sponsored by Shopify that is here to build your business. If the business doesn't even exist, Shopify will bring it into existence. If you're already selling online, if you've got an idea, if you've got a little business, it's It's time to sell to the worldwide market. And it's never been easier, faster, less complicated, or cheaper to do that than it is right now with Shopify. Shopify, straight away, you're online, you're selling your goods. It lets you sell across all social media marketplaces like TikTok, Facebook, Instagram.

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Yeah, she's driving me nuts.

What dog is it?

A pug.

Let me show you. Let's have a look. Keep this in the show, Brian. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What's her name?

Bella. Look at the neck rolls on Bella. Look at this.

I know. Let me see her face again. She's gorgeous.

She's hilarious.

Oh, my God. I don't know why that's so funny. I don't know why I'm laughing. She's a fat little thing, isn't she? She's not making She's waiting for it anytime soon.

That's for damn sure. They're the breed that it just shows. It's just all on her neck. She's just got the fattest neck you could ever imagine. Her body is pretty petite, but it's all... Hey, what are you looking? What do you got in there?

She's looking We used to have a pug.

They're the best, dude. They're lovable. It didn't last long. They fart, though. They stink. It didn't last?

No, Charlie. I've told this story before, but we used to have a German Shepherd, Deto, not that guy in the background. That's Alfred, who was a baby. Deto was quite the opposite. You know what I mean? He had a mean streak in him. Great dog. He had a mean streak. And Charlie was eating out of his food bowl That was it. Got him, broke his neck, eyeball popped out of his head.

That's not hard to do with-Yeah, with the pog.

Their eyes are bulging anyway.

Give it a little squill.

It'd be like on there. Is it the Simpions where Homer squeeze his bord and the eyes pop out and stuff? Yeah, I've told this story before, but I was going to the Fox studios and I'm just walking in and Rebecca, my wife, calls. She's like, Michael, Michael, God, Charlie, Charlie. I'm like, What? And she's like, FaceTime. And I'm like, I think he's dead. The neck's all floppy as hell. There's an eyeball hanging out. I'm like, Yeah, it's not looking good. And I walk in. And it was my daughter's Ellie's birthday present. That's how we had the dog. And I walk in, and it's Brian, Stan, and a few others. And I've literally just had that phone call. And I'm walking, I'm like, Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Everyone's like, What? Because they're all nice, caring people. And I'm like, Oh. And I tell them the whole story. And Brian Stan, who's a legend, by the way, not talking shit, it's just a funny story. Brian Stan goes, Are you serious? I've got brothers dying every day in Afghanistan, and you expect me to I give a fuck about a dog? I'm like, I get it, Brian.

I get it. I understand when you put it in the context like that, it's not a big deal. But in our house, it's our punk, man. It's a part of the family. Come on, have a heart.

Oh, my God. It's a little harsh, Brian Stan.

Come on now. Yeah, Brian's the man, though. Brian's the man. Speaking of Brian, actually, one of his opponents, Vandele Silver, just got put in the Hall of Fame at the weekend. What are your thoughts on Vandele Silver?

I think it's appropriate, right? Anybody that has been watching MMA for any significant period of time knows exactly about the ax murderer. That dude used to scare the shit out of me watching that guy fight. I used to think he was one of those guys where you're like, who the hell would ever want to fight that guy? And then they become humans as you watch them and you see people beat them and stuff. But back in the pride days, when he's doing all that stuff, I used to I think that he was the scariest son of a bitch that I had ever seen in my life. I remember back in the day, I'd wish he got into the UFC even earlier because I feel like by the time he really got there, he was towards the latter end of his prime and never really got.

He still beat me, you prick. I was just going to ask, did you guys fight? Yeah, we fought at 185. Although I will say this, I think I was robbed on the judge's scorecards, but whatever. It was a close one.

I was going to say he didn't go in there and take you out.

He didn't beat me, beat me. He won a very questionable decision. But no, to your point, when I started MMA, I didn't really know what it was. I started watching as much as I could, and it was 2003 when he was in his absolute heyday in pride. And I was watching him, and I don't mind saying it because there was no love lost between us for a period there when we thought, you know how it is. I talk a bit of shit. Vandeley was always one that didn't mind a bit of an aggro. So we butted heads verbally more than once. But he was one of my inspirations. I remember watching him and thinking, wow, I love this guy. I want to do what this guy is doing. You know what I mean?

Yeah, That's what I'm saying.

He was like, Wow, fuck.

Go out there.

Yeah. Now, I was going to say, Welcome to the Hall of Fame, Vandele Silver. He deserves it, man. He deserves it.

Yeah, I think so. He's definitely iconic. You know what I mean?

Last fight on the main card. We're just going to touch on this real quick because it will be rude not to Roman Kopalow, Anthony Fluffy-Hernandez. Anthony Fluffy-Hernandez, this man, what a guy, right? Because he's not the biggest, he's not the strongest, he's not the most impressive to look at, but the man fights his ass off and does not give up.

Not at all. He got kicked and hit with some shots, too, early on. And he even talked about it in the post-fight, that that dude kicks hard as shit. He's just game, bro. You're right. You nailed it there. It's like he doesn't do anything better than anybody in the division. But anywhere it goes, He's in great shape. He's going to push the pace, and he can win the fight anywhere. He can strike with you and land big shots, hurt you on the feet. He's got really good wrestling when he needs to. I think he trains at altitude, and he's always in fantastic shape, pushing the pace. And he's on a crazy He win streak right now, and he looks better every time that we see him. The dude's going to be a contender soon. If he keeps fighting like this, he's right there now.

Yeah, I'm not sure what his ranking is now, but it'll be improved today, I would have thought, when they update it. One more win. And he's creeping into the conversations, I'm telling you. As I say, when you look at him, he's definitely not somebody that you look and think, You're going to struggle with Usada. Do you know what I mean? Exactly. You You can see that guy's never touched steroids or anything in his life. He doesn't even look like he lifts weights. He just looks like he trains in the MMA gym. You know what I mean? Just does a lot of good old fashioned cardio work because he can go, he can push a pace. He's phenomenal, man. I'm a big fan of Anthony Fluffy-Hernandez.

Four finishes, two in his last five wins, Michael, on a five-fight win streak. So yeah, dude's been looking impressive, no doubt.

And I think he beat Brandon Allen as well right before the UFC.

Beat him in LFA, his last fight there.

Yeah.

I mean, that's impressive. Sure, of course, long time ago, Brendan Allen's got better, but still. Harrington, join us, please. What's up? Do you have any big takeaways before you throw us a non-MMA story? Saturday Night, what was your biggest takeaway?

The biggest takeaway I had when they went to that post-fight presser, when Ilyate Teporea was listing off his list of potential opponents, the one that jumped out to me was Jair Rodriguez. If That guy wins. A Mexican going into Spain, where, dude, that blood feud runs deep. That would be the biggest pay-per-view you could ever see for the Spanish world.

Now, hold on. Forgive my ignorance here. Mexico, they speak Spanish. Spain, they are the founders of the Spanish language. They are Spain. Okay. So I'm assuming Spain colonized Mexico. Was there a war?

Was there a bit of conquering going on? Was there a bit of carne asada?

Beef is an understated way to put it. I'm not familiar with the Mexican War of Independence.

That fight would be epic in, like you said, more ways than one. And you're clearly not a fan. Granted, he's got to worry about this weekend. I'll be going out to Mexico City on Wednesday.

Are you working that one?I'm.

Finally working. Yeah, apparently, I still have a job. This is good to find out. And my Schedule starts to pick up in March, doing a couple in March, doing Atlantic City. Are you doing Atlantic City?

I'll be there.

Oh, Michael, you're in for a treat. Have you been to Atlantic City?

Never been there in my life.

It's not a treat. It's not a treat at all.

Is it America's version of Blackpool?

Yes, probably.

It's by the ocean.

Yeah, by the ocean. Got a boardwalk, ugly people, lots of It's got a bit of Kensington going on, too, like we were talking about. So you're going to see it all. You just hang out on that boardwalk long enough, and then if you venture too far off of it, you may never come back.

Well, that definitely sounds like-So stay in the hotel. American's version of Black Proof. Hamilton is trying to organize a live Believe You, Me podcast in this place.

In Atlantic City?

Yeah, that's what Hamilton said. I've never even been there.

That would be fun, right?

Atlantic City, it's also fun, right? I mean, you just It's not Vegas, right? You've got to go there. No, it's not Vegas. Even though there's casinos and all that, it's New Jersey. It's cracky, but I've definitely... I mean, I've fought in Atlantic City so many times, man. It's definitely got a soft spot in my heart, no doubt about it. We can go to the Borgada while we're there. That Borgada is fun, actually.

What's the Borgada?

It's just a casino hotel there, and it's the nicer one that's a little bit off on its own. So if you want to have a good dinner, good time.

I like I like the dinners, but I don't gamble much. Do you play, Paul?

No, not at all. I don't gamble at all. So I'm always looking at what place to have good restaurants. That's my thing.

What is the goal, too? If you're at the Borgada, when we are at the Borgada, what is the restaurant? Where are we heading, Paul?

I forget the name of the sushi spot in there, but that's where I always went after all of our weigh-ins because we used to fight for CFFC. We fought at the Borgada, and we would stay there. So I would always get the sushi at the Whatever. I forget the freaking name of it now. But it's nothing crazy. But there's a good steakhouse in there. There's a fun place in the basement that's got a cafeteria-style set up, a bunch of different things. A nice center bar that gets really crowded and get some drinks and stuff like that. I think there's a speakeasy type thing where it's one of those ones where you don't know where it's at until you go around the corner of the thing.

Is there a car wash?

At the Borgata?

I mean, in Atlantic City, can you get a car wash?

There's definitely car washes, for sure.

How are the staff at the car washes? Would you imagine if you were to go to- Probably rude. Probably rude. What would happen if you were in a car wash and you threw your drink on someone?

Oh, this is the segue to a car... Oh, man. Let me see. I haven't seen it. It's just copyrighted music. Oh, my gosh. Why would you- Where was this? Why would you throw your drink at the person?

Where was this, Harrington? Where did this happen?

I believe it was Oregon. Let me double-check that right now. But yeah, she was a teenager just working at the drive-through and working at the car wash, and that was it. She got a drink thrown on her, didn't think twice, blasted her.

I would, too. I mean, if I'm holding that hose in my hand and you throw your freaking drink in me while I'm washing your car, you're getting sprayed in the face.

I mean, listen, I don't know running a little meth factory at your house and then calling the police, or going through a car wash and then throwing liquid over somebody that has a power washer in their hands. What do you expect? What would you do, Paul?

I would have done the same thing. I definitely would have power washed their face off. But I want to know what's the story here? What makes you go into a car wash and you're like, Oh, I know what I'm going to do today. I'm going to splash the power wash their face off. But I want to know, what's the story here? What makes you go into a car wash and you're like, Oh, I know what I'm going to do today. I'm going to splash the that's cleaning my car in the face with this drink. Is there a backstory? Was there beef? Do they know each other? I got to know the story.

More than likely, there's something. But if we just take it on face value, because the reality is there's a lot of toxic people in the world. You know what I mean? Who knows what it was? Who knows? There's got to be a reason. But still, there's a young girl working at a car wash, full-time, part-time, doesn't matter. And you choose to disrespect her like that. I mean, number one, it just speaks volumes about her, what a shitty human being she is, unless there was something really bad, let's be honest. But as I say, you could melt somebody's face off.

Yeah, that could not have felt good getting that power washer.

Brian, what were you going to say?

A power washer is a dangerous weapon.

You can actually kill somebody with it.

She's lucky she didn't leave that with a murder charge, to be honest.

That sounds like a painful way to go.

It rips dirt and paint off of stuff. You know what I mean? Imagine that across your eye.They.

Always say that though.It's on your bone. They always say that because... Do you own a power washer? Have you washed your own car with a power washer?

We have a power washer for this, like deciding on our house. But I haven't used it.

Yeah, but no, I bought a couple over the years. I've done my car when I'm feeling energetic, and I'm always like, Don't get too close. And then that Lucas, when he was younger, and Callum, when he was young boys, they always want to help out with the powerwashing bit for five minutes, and then they get bored and they leave. And I'm like, Don't get too close. You're going to get the paint off the car, okay?

Oh, my God.

Do not Google powerwasher injuries.

No way. I'm not putting it up. I can't pull it up on the show. Really? So don't Google it.

Oh my God. What are you seeing, Brian? Talk us through it. It looks like-The power of speech.

It looks like just things are blown open. Just chunks the skin. Or it exploded from the inside. It's like seams are just ripped.

It's crazy. Well, I'll tell you what everyone watching this right now is doing. They're opening another window on their phone and they're googling it. I know what I'm doing as soon as I finish this as well, because I am intrigued.

I should do it on Christine's computer and leave it open for her when I hand it back to her. Just leave it open. It's a fucking night There, dude. So do we know what happened to that? Was there injuries to the girl who got power washed to the face? Or is it a less powerwashing piece of equipment because it is intended for carwashing? Commercialization.

So no injuries, but her and her boyfriend who was sitting shotgun were both soaked. Once they got through the drive-through, they were also banned for life from ever returning to that car wash again. So stick them by the employees on that one.

Good, good. Glad to hear it. Have Have you ever had a drink thrown in your face, Paul?

I'm sure. I'm sure I have, but not while I was working, I don't think, ever.

I can guarantee. I can't think of the time.

I know I have.

But I know at 44 years old, I've definitely pissed someone off enough to eat a drink in the face, but I can't think of it right now. I guarantee Harrington has. Harrington, you ever had a girl throw a drink in your face?

Oh, yeah. That was how I flirted in my early '20s. If I'm not getting a girl to throw a drink in my face, I'm striking out that night.

Yeah, no, in all seriousness. I have had a girl or two throw a drink in my face.

You know what? Why? I probably deserved it.

What did you say?

It's being a little cheeky. I don't remember the exact thing. You're playing whatever it is. It typically works out.

Typically, when you see girls throw a drink in the face, I don't know, on a TV show or a movie, whatever, it's because The guys are saying something sleazy. You know these cheesy chat up lines? And I'm looking at you, specifically, Harrington. I have never got up to a girl. I mean, number one, I was very nervous with girls. You know what I mean? When I was younger, Hey, what's some classics? What's some classics?

Hey, why don't you come over to my place, sit on my lap. We'll talk about the first thing that pops up.

He's got them all lined up. Give me another one.

Girl, do you work for UPS? Because you can handle my package anytime.

Give me one more.

I'm out. I'm out. I've been married for a while.

I don't do lame things like that, Mike.

I just say you're pretty, and I ask them if they want to get a drink.

Yeah, exactly. Strike up a conversation. A drink thrown in my face. Can't say I have done.

Sure.

We would just say it a second ago, for those that I don't know, we'll pull the curtain back. Paul had a little Wi-Fi issue. You wouldn't have noticed because Brian's such a great editor, top of his class. While you were gone getting your WiFi sorted, we never talked about Marab. Marab. Marab. Marab is really... Number one, what a fight. What an incredible fight. I mean, the pace of that was unbelievable. Have Just so Houda nearly knocks him out in the first round. I thought, wow, Henry's back. Then rounds two and three, and I'm not surprised, it's not an insult because of the ridiculous pace. Henry started to slow down, started to look 37 years old. But what was your general thoughts on Marabdi Valeshvili, the machine?

He's a maniac, man. And Longo was on, I guess it was an annex podcast He's talking about how they basically had a three-round sparring match before he went out there and fought that fight with Tsuhuto. So he's got a gas tank like nobody else. In a division where gas tanks are a pretty regular thing at Banumwate. Marab takes the Crown. He is the king of pace in that division. And with his doorability, the way he can take shots and then continue to do that, he's having fun in there. That's something to be noted about Marab. He wants to be there, though, the whole time. A lot of anxiety in fighting. It does not seem to be with him. He truly seems like he can't freaking wait to get out there and be in that a fight. I think that kid could be champion someday for sure. I mean, with that pace, bro, if you don't knock him out in the first round, he's going to drown you.

I'm ultimately convinced he'll be champion at some point. I just struggled to see a world where he's not champion one day, just given what we saw Saturday night, the way he beat Piotrian, Josie Aldo, Henry Zahudo, all former champions. And as you say, having fun. He was putting on a show. When he had Zahudo in the guillotine and he squatted down in a sumo stance, he's just like...

Yeah, talking to Zuckerberg.

Talking to Zuckerberg, having a conversation, just chatting shit, not a care in the world, having a field day, just having a great time. Oh, look at this, by the way. Let's just remind ourselves.

Just an Olympic gold gold medalist that he is taking across the cage and slamming down.

Yeah, that's not some average UFC fighter. That's not just a double champ. That's an Olympic gold medalist that he's picking up. And I'm repeating your line, but that's wild. Picks him up, walks across, chats to his corner, dumps him right in front of Zuckerberg and then goes to work.

I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. And I really thought if Henry showed up in good form, he could really test Marab and maybe get a win. And I was early on, just like you said, when he cracked him, I was like, Oh, here we go. The striking is going to be sharp tonight. I think he's going to be able to land some shots and give Marab a lot of trouble. Second round started, and as soon as that pace just kept going, I was like, You know what? He's going to just drown him. He's going to push too much of a pace. He's not the better technical wrestler, right? I don't think so. And he's still able to just be so freaking relentless with these guys that it doesn't matter if you stuff a A couple of takedowns. Although he did take Henry down early with a single leg, he let him know right away that that's the night that he was going to be in for. That's such a big win.

I want to focus on Marab, but I saw a meme, a post or something, anyway, about Henry Sehudo, and it did make me think. He said something along the lines of, How must it feel to be Henry Sehudo? Remember when he retired? Three years, three Three years, he was away from the sport. Three years of his prime. He walked away and retired as a double champ. Three years of big earning potential. And to me was something like they thought the UFC were going to come back and offer him crazy amounts of money, and that never happened. And then he came back of his own accord. Do you think he regrets that decision? And as I said, I'm a fan of Sohudo. He was awesome to deal with. I like the guy a lot. I like his team, him and Eric Albara seeing. They had that whole thing last week. They were cool as well. But yeah, when I saw that, I did think, interesting.

Yeah, I think it's going to eat away at him that he may be... Because clearly he still wanted to compete. I don't know if there's other stuff he really wanted to do first and then come back, but he definitely walked away when these are fights that you probably could have won if you were in the heat of it, in the gym, day in and day out, getting ready to compete, staying a champion. You might have reined for a long time and gone down as a greater champion than you were. And instead, the legacy is now going to be, Oh, well, you retired, then you came back and you didn't succeed at it. And that's unfortunate because of how good Henry Souto is. That no matter what, that is the last thing that we'll remember. Now, granted, we will look further back and know how great he was, but fresh eyeballs, people new to the sport, they'll know, Oh, he got beat up in that Marab fight. Al So beat him. Those are the last things people remember and not Demetrius Johnson fights and T. J. Dillishaw fights when he was on top of his game.

They will remember Marab DeValishvili standing there with Sugar Sean on Malle's jacket on. Just being hilarious, chatting to Mark Zuckerberg. I tell you, he's turned in. He is a funny guy. The personality has blossomed. The more spotlight that he's got on him. I In all accounts, he will be fighting Sugar Sean or Malle versus Cheeto Vera. I like both those guys. I just think the way Murabe is, is a tough fight for anybody because we're both strikers. How do you have a striking battle with someone that won't stop coming forward. Typically, you can't do that because you get tired and you run out of cardio or energy or oxygen. He doesn't. He just keeps coming. That is what you call a pain in the ass of the highest level.

The biggest pain. He is definitely the biggest pain in the ass in the band and weight division. You can tell all those guys are like, Fuck. Every time he wins, fuck.

Yeah. They're like, Oh, God, he's coming. Damn.

Of course, they believe in their skills, but you know how it is. You know there's certain guys that, Yeah, I'll fight them when I have to. And yeah, I know I can beat them, but you're still going to go, Fuck.

There's always those fights where you go, Oh, God.

That was Islam for the 55ers. And Habib, you're like, Fuck.

Yeah, it's going to be a tough God, shit.

Anybody from Afghanistan, you're like, God damn.

I think I can do it. I reckon I can do it. I can talk myself into believing I can do it, and I'm going to train like I'm going to do it. But it's going to goddamn suck. So, hey, listen, well done to Marabdivalishvili. He deserves everything coming his way. Today's episode is sponsored by chalk. Com. That is C-H-O-Q. Com. Testosterone, that's what they're specializing in. Men's testosterone levels are at an all time low, right? And You got to give it a boost, certainly as you're getting older, okay? And the supplement world is chockablock filled with, well, crappy supplements that don't do what they say they're going to do, right? They're filled with or labeled with nonsense. There isn't the right amount of ingredients as what they say. With Choc, they specialize in an all-natural testosterone booster. The label is correctly advertised. Everything in there, the ingredients are all measured to exact clinical They're called research. And Choc is the cleanest research-based testosterone booster available on the market. If you're not getting any gains out of your workouts, if you're not losing weight, if you're losing muscle mass, if you're not the man you used to be, the testosterone is dipping.

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I appreciate it. I could use every crumb I can get. The big announcement, the UFC 300 main event, was announced immediately after the title fight, UFC 298, is going to be Jamal Hill returning to fight the current champion, Alexander Pereira, for the 205 title.

I'm going to start with this, Paul. People are bitching online. People are bitching. I'm like, What are you doing? What is your issue? This is not me as a company man. Alex Pereira is one of the most exciting fighters that we've seen in the sport. Simple as that. He's a knockout machine. He's beating four champions. He's a two weight division champion. Jamal Hill, look at the knockout of a Johnny Walker, right? And Jamal Hill is an intense dude. That's going to be an incredible striking affair because I don't think Jamal... He's not a wrestler, right? He's a scrapper. He's a kickboxer-ish, but he's not a technical kickboxer. He's a striker. He's a street fighter. He's just a tough bastard. That's a great fight. And then you combine it with the rest of the card. But yet people are still finding a way Why?

They're spoiled. They expect it. I think the problem is, I think since there was such a buildup, and we were waiting for things to get finalized and settled, that a lot of people start to want... Their mind starts to wander to create crazy fights, to things that don't even really make sense that probably will never happen. But you start hearing rumorvilles. I heard rumors. I heard things talking that Connor and Habib might come back and fight each other. The rumorville went crazy. So I think when you hear all these rumors, and then finally you're presented with an epic, real possibility of a fight that ends up happening. That makes sense. That makes sense.

Because a lot of these people that like to bitch, they always talk about, Well, this isn't a logical fight, because they always want to find something to criticize. So even though it's a fun fight, they'll go, Well, this isn't right. This isn't right. The next guy that deserves to be up is this guy. Well, Jamal Hill was the champion, relinquished the belt. So it makes sense. It's an exciting fight. It ticks the boxes. But you're right. I understand what you're saying.

And there's bad blood. There's bad blood that these guys were in the cage at the same time when Jamal beat Glover Tashira. They had this stare. I mean, the build up to this is going to be fun. You know what I mean? They knew already that this This was something that could happen. But at the time, he was fighting at 85. Now that he's up at 205, as soon as that happened, I was like, Well, this is what we're all hoping for. And we were just waiting for Jamal Hill to get healthy, really. I mean, the guy was coming back from a torn Achilles, and now he's back. This worked out for him. And Pareda is already saying he wants to bounce right back and fight in Brazil in the spring.

I know. Three weeks later.

He's nuts, dude. It's not going to happen. There's no way he will fight at 300. I don't know. And then fight. If he wins and he does that, that's legendary status. I mean, that alone, you should just walk away and retire and hang your balls up on the shelf somewhere because there happens.

It could happen. I'm telling you right now because Alex If he knocks him out cold, early, yeah, for sure. By the way, just going back, these people that were hating on it, these are the same people that wanted Tom Aspinal versus Alex Pereira, right? Which A, doesn't It makes sense to anybody in the light heavyweight division or the heavyweight division. Also, with respect to Alex, would have been a bit of a mismatch. Not saying Alex couldn't connect. Of course he could. Anything's possible, but more than likely- But it's such a size difference.

Yeah, it's not even close.

Tom is massive.

Tom is a big dude. You've heard about Tom. Oh, yeah. He's a big dude. And he's fast and scary.

Yeah. No, he is. And he's just one of the bloody nicest guys. I always say it's so annoying, do you know what I mean? Because he's just like you just got it all, haven't you?

You're pretty. Yeah. Screw you, Tom.

Yeah, screw you, Tom. All right, listen, we'll go to questions in a minute. And thank you for your time today, Paul. Really appreciate it. How are you doing? Is there any breaking news? Is there any big stories that we've missed? Is there anything worth mentioning before we throw to questions?

No, nothing. All right, so nothing breaking. I just looked up if there was anything breaking going on. The only other thing was just Dana saying that Leon Edwards agreed to three different opponents and that Leon Edwards is in fact a rock star, but no word from who those opponents were or what those possible matchups were.

Well, take this with a pin's of salt. I saw somebody quoting Ariel Helwani, and just because Helwani said it doesn't mean it's true. But I think he said it was Shavka Hamzat, and he was the third one. Apparently, it wasn't Balal.

Yeah, because that's the one guy I I thought, too. And I'm like, There's no way they offered Balal that fight. And he said, no. You know what I mean? He's been begging for that fight. So I wonder who the third one is. And if you're Balal, that sucks, right? You just heard that Leon was offered three dudes, three guys, and you weren't one.

Not one. Not one, three.

That's disappointing if you're him. I'll tell you that.

It is. But Bilal is awesome. Great human being, incredible fighter, rightful number one contender. Don't think it's the main event of a UFC 300 name that they were looking for.

And that's why I start to think that it might have not even been for the welterweight belt. It could have been other options or Shovokat, obviously. Islam, yes. Islam. They were just going for big fights for sure. But still, that still hurts you if you're Balal, you're still going, You sons of bitches.

Yeah, but if you're Balal, the fact that none of them- It didn't happen. It didn't happen. It's not happening at UFC 300, that means... Because they're trying to make a blockbuster fight, right? Yeah. Leon versus Shovcat, I mean, stylistic Because against Balal, Balal is going to try and wrestle him. Shavka, that'll be a great striking affair. Hamza Akhaimiev, he's a massive, massive star, and that'll be fun. Islam Makachev is the pound for pound number one. So there's a little bit of cache to them. Maybe Maybe now that none of those are happening, when they get past 300, maybe now it will be Balal and Leon. Schedule for a regular.

Yeah. We'll see.

Just stay with it, Balal. Stay with it. Leon, shout out. Fair play to Leon Edwards.

That he was saying yes, and these other guys are saying no.

When I say yes, you say no. All right, we'll do some questions. If you have a question, send it into bympod@gmail. Com. Subscribe and ring that bell, by the way. I'm going to keep talking until Hamilton is here.

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See, I know you don't have CTE.

Why does that?

No, no, no. But I'll talk here for 2 hours. I talk out my ass. I'm making things up as I go along, and I have no idea what we're going to talk about, so you're free-stying. Sometimes I'll say something a little silly, and I might slur my words. Paul, you've said this. Anytime a fighter gets something wrong, they've got CTE.

Oh, yeah. Anything we do, it's just clearly CT. And I love that people just throw that at us. Like, Hey, that's a serious thing. Thanks, guys. That's like joking around me and like, I just got cancer.

Look at you with your brain damage.

Yeah.

It's fucked. You were a little mumbly there. A little mumbly. I know it's only because you're doing it fast. We're not sure he doesn't have brain damage.

We're not sure.

Likely. I think I took one breath there. That was it. I wanted to get through that in one breath. So as long as I did that, I'm happy with it.

The jury is still out on that one. Maybe he does. Brian.

All right. First question here is from J. S.

Bym crew, how are you doing?

It's James from Durham here.

Just a quick one on beginner's jiu-jitsu. Now, last year, I asked you as a question, what would be the best martial art to take up? And you guys recommend a jiu-jitsu. Now, I've done that. I'm four months into my jiu-jitsu career. Had my first competition last week. Got fucking battered, which is fine. But my question is, who would you say is the best online tutorials to watch be it on YouTube or a practitioner that you'd pay for. As a new white belt, there's a lot of information to take in. And I do about six hours a week on the mats. A lot of information goes off my head just because of the speed and there's so much to take in. Who would you say is the best person to watch online, please?

Brian Harrington. You guys are the fucking man.

Peace. Nice. Take it away, Paul.

I'm going to be honest and say that I have absolutely no idea who has-That's why I said take it away, Paul.tutorials. I'm sure these big-time jiu-jitsu players that are making tons of money doing these super fights all have some online tutorials. I would say for him to go and find what style do you want to learn the most? What do you think is cool? And then go from there and look at who's the best at that. Are you looking for leg locks? Are you looking Are you trying to be a guy who plays from their back and use their guard? Are you trying to be a top pressure guy? And then find the best guy in that. And I guarantee if he's a pro-jujitsu guy, there's videos out that you can buy or stream or go to YouTube and find those things. That would be.

Yeah, no, You're absolutely right. And by the way, good luck and well done with your training. You're very lucky because I just looked it up right now, and so many just popped up on YouTube. Sometimes if you got a training partner, you can try it with maybe your wife, maybe your girlfriend, even your son or whatever. But a lot of the time, you don't even need to be doing it because if you're drilling in the gym and then just watching someone else do it, you're still learning mentally, but you're in such a lucky position these days with YouTube and all, stuff like that, because it's all there. Do you know what I mean? And I will say this, I might have, when I've taught a few classes, just gone, What am I going to teach today? Not that I don't know anything. It's just like back in the day when I was running a few glasses. And it's like my mind had just gone blank and I'd look at it and go, Oh, yeah, I'll steal that one today. I'll use that as my own. Coaches can do it, students can do it, you too can do it.

It's going to conceive, believe, and achieve. That's it. Brian.

All right. So the next question we have is from a Mr.

Sam Winter, ironically.

Sam Winter.

Looks like Tyson Fury. What does that mean? Lads, Sam here from Burnley, probably one of the people submitting questions into me that actually knows what believe you mean means. Isn't that right, DJ? Mike, you're being scratch master as he's known around here. But anyway, lads, question is, I've been doing the MMA sessions for a good few months now. I've historically done a bit of boxing here and there. And one thing that's challenging is when you start bringing in the kicks and the knees and all that type of shit, it really starts to your footwork with what you've learned previously. So my question to you, Mr. Mikey B, obviously you had brilliant footwork as a middleweight, managed to get yourself in and out pretty quickly. Notice closing them gaps, getting back away and all that type of shit. You did it pretty fucking swiftly. So I've been doing a lot of skipping recently, but any other exercises that you can recommend to improve my footwork? Fire them away lads, and we'll see what we can do here. Take it easy. Nice one. Burnley. Do you know when I was saying, that Blackpool? I have some of the ugglers people.

So I'm from Clithero. There's a big, gigantic hill called Pendle Hill. On the other side of the hill down the street a bit, is Burnley. We call them dingles. Okay. The old dingle land. Thank you very, very much. Paul, what can he do to improve his footwork?

Yeah, that's a good question, right? Especially he's saying he's had some boxing over the years, And then you start trying to do MMA, and it's just a totally different ball game. But I think using your footwork that you're trying to get down on pads, on bag work, and stuff like that, instead of just standing and crushing the heavy bag, try to really move around the bag, work on that footwork as well as shadow boxing, right? If you're trying to work on in and out and movement and avoiding dipping your head and things like that, you've got to train it at all times, or it's not going to work when you actually try to put it in action and sparring, you're just going to be stuck in the mud. So really try to focus on using footwork and movement in your shadow boxing and picturing what's going on. And same with the bag, even though the heavy bag is right in front of you, you can faint it, move in, cut angles, go around it all different ways, and it'll help get that stuck in your brain that you can't just stand and strike. You got to move, strike, strike and move, and just be on the move at all times if you're trying to advance that footwork.

But I was more of a plotter myself anyway.

There was a few drills that I always used to do. And if I'm ever doing a little bit of a guest class, which I don't do very often, but I do want to get into teaching. Do you want to do that, Paul?

What's that?

Teach? Teaching?

Yeah. Not really. But I wouldn't mind doing it every now and then to work with the young guys that are on the up back in the gym.

That's what I'm for the kids, just as I'm getting older. And I don't mean just yet. I can just see myself in my 50s being like an old Mickey style, half drunk, coach, giving all the kids shit. That's not how you do it. No man alive should be moving like that. No, I'll give you some drills real quick, and I hope you can make sense of this. And I do these all the time, certainly when I was fighting. If you can get those little cones or little disk things from that dick sporting goods, or you don't even need that. You can use a glove, a water shake, whatever, three things, and use number one, two, three. Stand there in your stance. And if you got someone else to call out the numbers, one, two, three, that's better. But you can do it yourself. You got 3, 2, 3, and you got forward and back to those, to one. If you're in three here, you got forward to 1. So you got forward to 2, go back, one, three, and just keep doing that. That's the in and out stuff. Then you can line up four in a row.

One, four, two, three, one. Just going like that, someone calling out the numbers. Then you can have four, one, two, three, four in a square, and one in the middle. And then you're going to go in and out, and then around, in, out, around, in, out, like two minutes at a time, stuff like that. They're just very, very basic drills, but it's good. I might do a little YouTube video. Footwork drills with Nike B.

Let's get that money.

God, baby. Come on. Brian, let's do one more before Paul Felder loses his mind, he's up for good, blames it on the WiFi.

Sorry, the WiFi is getting shaky again. I hope those guys would believe you, Dave.

We've been on here for 17 hours.

No, it's all good. So I saved the best edited one for last. This is Marco Reagan.

401. Oh, hi, guys. Didn't see you there.

Couple of things. First thing for Mr. Bisbe. I know you've been looking for something to watch, so try Mr. In-between.

It's on Disney Plus, and it's about a guy who's got one foot firmly in the underbelly, the underworld.

In Australia, I think hitman drugs, that thing, while also trying to look after his little kid. Fuck.

Secondly, we know you're very much an actor yourself, and you've written a book.

So have you ever thought about writing a script for a TV show or a film?

Even if you haven't, what would you write?

Cheers, guys. Fuck you, Harrington.

Yeah. What was his name? I've forgotten because I was so enamored.

Mark. Forgettable guy. Forgettable guy, Mark.

Mark, you're the man. I just want to say a big shout out to everyone in England today. No Americans. Americans, step your game up. Come on. Worldwide. We got a worldwide platform. How dare you?

It's a holiday for Americans.

Correct.

And here I am working.

What were the questions? I know he mentioned about acting.

Have you ever thought about writing a book? Would Have you ever thought about writing a script for TV or film?

Yeah. So here's the thing, Paul, and we can both partake in this conversation. I'm glad you're here for this one. Listen, you do a bit of acting, I do a bit of acting. You actually are a trained actor. You went to school for it and studied properly, so you actually know what you're doing as opposed to me that's making it up as I go along.

At least I paid money to think that I know what I'm doing.

Yeah, there you go. And generally, what you find is a lot of people look at Sylvester Solange for crying out loud. He wasn't getting the opportunities. He writes Rocky, and then it becomes Sylvester Solange, sly, a legend. And that's generally what you find a lot of people trying to create their own stuff and produce their own material. So I would be lying if I said there wasn't a couple of things that we've worked on, nothing that's been picked up and nothing that I've written. I've had a couple of ideas. My problem is I have ideas, but I never action them. Are you a doer?

I'm not when it comes to that type of action. I mean, I'm very good if I have something I want to do, getting I'm going and doing it, but I'm not a writer, and I know that. I also have ideas for things, and I've thought of, Oh, that would be a good movie, or that would make a good TV show. Just all based on things I've experienced in my own life, though. Not that they'd be biographs biopics, but you could turn them into anything fictional as well by just changing who everyone is and all that. But it's tough, man. Writing is tough. If you don't have a knack for that part of your brain to be able to put down realistic conversations and things like that and the arc of a story and how things can go without being boring or too long, script writing is a pain in the ass. And I'm always There are always Marvel people that are good at writing movies and plays and things like that. I've always wanted to be a part of working on a play. If I was to do something like that, I have ideas for it, but I would always need somebody that was better at putting it into a format.

Yeah, no, 100 %. I don't even think I need to say I'm not a writer. I'm writing a script. It's not something I'm just not capable of doing that, right? You got to attend classes and study for that. And I'm just My mind doesn't work that way. But I do have ideas for what could make a great show or make a great movie. And just like you said, and this is like with everybody, it's based upon your own lived experiences. I'm not a guy that can even think about something that I know nothing about. Do you know what I mean? Let's write a show about XYZ, I don't know, let's figure skating. Some guy that wanted to be a figure skater, I don't know, bad example. But you understand what I'm saying, right? I can talk about my experiences, and I'm lucky enough I've got a buddy that is smart, and he's a producer, and still we're yet to do anything. But there's been a few shows. There was one, the rave scene, the dance scene in the '90s in England was massive. Do you know what I mean? And I was a bit of a raver back in the day.

And there's so many good story lines and stuff like that. And around the rave scene, there was a lot of drug dealers. So there's all that merky-All characters, yeah. There's all these characters. And I'm like, There's never been a good show or a movie that proper delves deep into that side of it. So you could have a killer soundtrack with the great music from the '90s, the trans stuff. I know that's not your vibe, but then also a bit of gangster stuff sprinkled in, kids experimenting with I was getting in trouble with the police. So that's that something I've been thinking about for a while because there was a show on Netflix. I forget what it was called, but it was too pretty. It's going to be gritty and grimy and ended up back at some shit house afterwards, and you're in someone's kitchen at five in the morning thinking, who the fuck are these people? What am I doing here? What am I doing? Do you know what I mean? So I have ideas like that.

Anybody out there.

But I'm still doing this podcast every week. Got ideas. Paul, can I just say, love talking to you today. Loved having you on the show, and we're going to try and make this a more regular thing, buddy.

Yeah. Well, I'm going to be talking to Anthony, and I'll be like, Listen, dude, you better watch yourself. You better start being around because-So Anthony versus Paul, UFC 301.

He take it.

That guy will fight anybody. He'd be like, Sure, we'll fight.

He bloody would as well. That's the show, guys. Take care.