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And Anthony Lionhardt-Smith.

Are we recording? We are recording. We are. We are. Look at this. The boys are back, and you are back in. Where in the world are you?

Denver. Yeah, I'm back in Denver. Training, grinding.

Grinding?

Yeah. Yeah, it's tough out here.

And bracing the grind?

Yeah. I'm in a weird place, a really good weird place. Normally, it takes me a while to get in the groove of it. I hate it. I just hate the schedule and the grind. It takes me a couple of weeks to get in the grind. I've been really excited about this one. I'm not dreading the travel here. I'm not dreading the practices. My body feels pretty good, too. I'm not nearly as banged up. I feel good. I'm having a good time in the gym. I don't know what the difference is, but I'm having fun.

You said it's weird. Denver is weird. You've got one headphones in. That's weird. Have you got a cauliflower ear scenario going on right now?

A little bit. I always only have one headphones in, though.

Oh, do you really? It's Anthony Smith style.

Yeah, I'm too cool for two. It's like, do you double strap your backpack or are you one strap?

I'm a double strapper all day.

Yeah, I am, too. One headphones, two straps.

One strap. Because listen, when I was at school, I was one strapping, of course. But one strap falls off the whole time. You're always giving it the extra little thing. You know what I mean? Two straps, you're nice and secure. Speaking of security, talk to me about this fight, Anthony. We talked about it last week when you weren't on here. Veto Patrino, undefeated. He called you out to your face, threw down the gauntlet, looked you in the eye. What was the thought process when he said that?

Well, okay, I have to address part of this, actually, because I did say at some point, I think I was on Series XM.

They get the exclusives.

Well, no, it's the only thing I said. I said, I'm not the new Neil Magne. I'm not the 205 version of Neil Magne. When I said it, I don't think that I clarified what I meant by that. So then I get a text message last week from Neil, quote from like, MMA junkie or something. He was like, Hey, why am I catching me in the strays over here?

I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking, Neil.

Well, then I was like, oh, my God, I felt bad because I was going off about the Patrino thing, but not meaning to offend Neil. What I meant was every young guy that fights wants to beat up Neil Magne. Every single one of them, every young guy who's got three or four fights in the UST gets a couple of wins. First name out of their mouth is Neil Magne every single time. Part of it's because Neil is willing to give those opportunities and chances. And he's had mixed success with those guys. But what I meant by that is I'm not the wounded lion that these young guys are seeing. I'm not. I've had some ups and some downs, and I've been in some weird places, but I've never lost anybody. It sucks. And I'm not that guy. I'm just not. And I'm not nice like Neil is, where Neil Neil's like, Oh, yeah, it's just good opportunities. Let's go in there and fight. Let's have some fun. I take that shit personally, and Neil doesn't. I think he likes it a little bit for the motivation, but he doesn't take it personally, but I do.

And I think it's because I know that they're looking at me like on It's like I'm cached. Like, I'm the wounded lion. I'm on my way out. Let's see if we can make a name off of him before he's completely done. And for all them idiots in the comments, I'm allowed to be offended by that. I'm allowed to be I'm upset by that. I'm a goddamn professional athlete. I've been doing this shit for almost 20 years. You think I got here because I don't take shit personally? That's exactly how I got here. And that's how I feel about it. He's probably a nice guy, but it'd be like, if Anyone walked into someone's job and then started telling everyone at your work that they do a better job than you or that, Oh, I take that guy's better job really fast. That's how I felt. Imagine for people at home, if you're just sitting on your couch right now and some dude comes into your work and starts telling everyone that he's going to take your job. That would piss you off. And that's how I feel. So he's probably a nice guy. Personally, I don't have an issue with him, but I think he's powerful.

He's big and strong. He looks like a million bucks. I think he's a little bit low output. He's not great grappler. He's not great grappler. He's not great hustler. He's got crazy power in his hands, mostly a counterstriker for the most part. He does some kicks here and there, but he's basic. He's basic. It doesn't mean he's easy, but it's basic.

Well, a wounded lion is still a lion, Anthony. Still the king of the jungle. Do you know what I mean? And I do know how you feel when people are trying to take your job constantly. All you up and coming, want to be, would be commentators Kiss my ass. Okay, that's how I pay for it.

Are you talking to you, Michael Quiesa?

I'm talking to all of you. I will fight you. I'm still a lion as well.

I never say that, ever. Because I always feel like if I'm going to go out there and start pying to get an opportunity, and I'm begging for it, and every interview I do, I talk about it. I always feel like I'm going to offend you or DC or Dominic or Felder, and I hang out with you guys, and I like you guys a lot. So me saying that is essentially being like, I want that guy's job.

When I make enough mistakes to get fired, you're welcome to my job, which hopefully never comes.

I just always figure at some point in time, someone will go off and do something else. It'll be another opportunity. There'll be more opportunities available. Maybe the fights will do more fights every year. There'll be less... I don't know. I can't imagine you and DC are going to be traveling all these huge long international fights too many more years.

I'm flying, baby. I like your- You're going.

Yeah, I'm doing a model.

I'm going everywhere. I've never seen a pound note. I don't want to pick up. Okay? Just shut up. I'm from the north of England. While this cash to be earned, I'm earning it. Okay.

I see DC not doing those too long.

Hey, you know what? Speaking of that, He was commentating the NCAAs at the weekend.

I did. I did.

On ESPN. I turned it on for a little bit because I text Callum, my son. Obviously, he was a wrestler, still is, loves it. He said, Yeah, I'm just watching. I said, Are you watching the fights? He said, No, I'm watching the wrestling, actually DC is commentating. So I turned it off for a minute on commercial breaks when I was watching the fight to see how DC was doing. And DC always does a great job. I was very shocked yesterday when I saw a post on Instagram, all different pages, take, tweets, and stuff like that, and they create content from it. Dc steps down as the NCAA commentator, basically because he's sick of everybody talking shit and criticizing. Am I getting that right? I think I am. Yeah.

I think he was just upset, and I get it. And I get his point, too. Wrestling has looked and sounded the same for 100 years. I've had this This is a total tangent. I hope there's a lot of wrestling fans on here that understand what I'm talking about, but I go off about this all the time.

There's a commentating job in wrestling if you want it, Anthony. There you go. Dc, step down.

I'll take that one for sure. But there's a problem within the wrestling community where everything's the same. And I complain all the time. There's all these coaches and all these parents that just ruin youth wrestling. They ruin it. At what other point in time does winning matter? When you're in high school, maybe it starts to matter. But they got six and seven-year-old kids cutting weight. They're fucking dads. Dads are getting thrown out of tournaments every goddamn weekend because they're screaming at referees over six to seven to eight-year-old wrestling matches. None of that. It doesn't matter. But I think what DC's point was is wrestling has looked and sounded the same for a long time. So he brings a different... He brings a different attitude to it. And people don't like how it sounds because they wanted all to sound exactly the same as it sounded for the last 40 years. And I think that was frustrating for him.

Yeah, it is frustrating. And Brian just put the tweet up there. Anytime you go out and you do something, people are going to criticize. Just like you right now, at the highest level, Anthony, you're competing in the octagon and you haven't got the results that you've been looking for. So you're experiencing the same thing for a DC, or myself or anybody that does anything. In this world of social media, everyone can have an opinion and you can access those opinions anytime you want. That's why people always say, Don't read the comments. But it's a risk and reward I'm sorry because we all like to read positive things about us. But of course, there's the negative stuff as well. I think for DC, that was sad for me to read that about DC only because I like him and I have so much respect for DC, and I'm sure you feel the same way. He's one of the nicest, warmest guys. He's got a very high tolerance. You don't see any drama from DC. He's just a great human being, but people are going to talk shit. Just rise above it. And I'm not criticizing him because I know how much DC loves loves wrestling.

He absolutely loves it. And the fact that the trolls and the dickheads and the haters and the people that have probably never achieved 1% of what DC has, for want of a better word, bullied him into stepping down from something that he loves. It's a shame.

And to get a personality the size of DC to come to your national tournament. And like, wrestling has always been the red-headed stepchild of all these colleges always. And now you get it on ESPN. It's got this Matt Kass, where it's playing all eight Matt's on ESPN plus. And then you get a personality that's as big as DC to come on and validate it. He was a multiple time All-American. He was a finalist, was on the world team, wrestled with the- Two-way division champ of the UFC.

Right. And on the UFC, a mainstay, a UFC pay-per-views.

You get that guy to come spend... You think DC, you think they paid him enough to make it worth his time? No. He loves that shit and just wanted to come and be a part of it. And then I just run him out. That's why wrestling is where it is. They eat their own from the inside out.

And that's why he said he stepped down as well because somebody said, Well, why don't you step down from the UFC as well? Because we always talk shit about you there. He said, yeah, but the UFC pays a lot. I imagine the NCAA pay the same, but still DC, ignore them, man. Ignore them. And I'd say the same things to you and Anthony. Like I always joke about the happy Gilmore thing, harness the good energy block, the bad and all the rest. It's true, though, if you can do that, but it's often easier said than done. So Veto Petrino.

How do you feel about the fight? How do you feel about it? The fight, the match.

I think it's a logical fight. I think he's a guy that's got some momentum behind him. He just had a win. I was going to say a good win. It wasn't a great win, but he had a win over Tyson Pedro, who's done some things in the sport, and he's got a bit of a name. Tyson retired. I feel, and I don't want to badmouth Tyson Pedro, but I feel like he knew he was going to retire, and his heart wasn't really in that fight. I've definitely seen a better motivated Tyson Pedro than that fight. I'm forgetting off the top of my head, I think he's 12 or 13 and out, so he's undefeated. He's a hard hitter. He's not the fastest. He doesn't have the highest output. I respect you for taking in the fight, but I'm assuming you feel some pressure in some ways. But the only advice that I could give to you, Anthony, and we were talking about it a little bit off there, is that you've got to give this everything you have. You know what I mean? You've got to cut out all outside distractions. You've got to be able to look yourself in the mirror when it's all said and done and say, I did the work, I made the cut out the distractions, I did the running, I followed the diet, I didn't drink the alcohol.

I did everything I could to ensure that I show up at UFC 301 as the best version of myself. If you do all that and you still don't lose the fight, well then so be it, and that will still suck. But at least you're not going to beat yourself up and torture yourself throughout eternity. You know what I mean? Because I do believe this is an important fight for the narrative of your journey. You know what I'm saying?

A hundred %. I think I'm having so much fun because of the mental switch a little bit. We talked I talked about this after the last fight, where I think that I let the title blind me at times, where I'm just so concerned with it and so worried about it. I'm just not worried about it right now. If it works out, it works out. If it doesn't, it doesn't. We'll just figure that out as we go. But I always have this plan in my head Okay, I'm going to beat this guy, and then this guy is going to beat that guy, and then this guy will probably beat him, and then I'll try to fight that guy, and I'll walk my way all the way to how I can get to a title fight. But I think it clouds my judgment because I'm so concerned with it. So what me and my long time jiu-jitsu coach, who's the longest standing coach I've ever... From the very beginning, day one. If it was up to him, he was like, maybe we just do jiu-jitsu forever. But we made this deal. We're just going to fight one fight at a time, and let's just go all in, one at a time, whether once a year, twice a year, whatever that ends up being.

All out, 100 %, give it everything I got, and then every single fight, we'll get through it and we'll reevaluate and see where we are. And we got to work on some jiu-jitsu. Then we take off some time a little bit, close up some holes there. We need to work on some wrestling or whatever we need to do. And then we just take another one. We go all in on that one, and then we just reevaluate after each individual fight. I feel like you do that enough times, I'm likely to find myself in a pretty good spot. So But I can't do that if I don't, systematically, just like, we only have to... I got to stop worrying about everything else. I got to stop being like, Okay, so I'm going to go in here. I got to beat Veto, and then I already have the next step planned. I got to stop worrying about the next Yeah, I got to stop worrying about it.

You have. Because for me, on my journey, obviously, I had the eye issue. So I was just so grateful to still be able to fight. And I went through a little A little bit of a phase where I would win one, I would lose one. I would win one, and I would lose one. And I was getting paid good money, but I always did. I've always been very grateful for that. So I was still so appreciative to be able to be in the position to ace, compete in the sport that I love, and B, provide for my family whilst doing that. So I was just looking at it from the glass half full lens. And then before you're doing that, I lost one. Fuck, I got to win the next one. I won that. And then the next one, you lose that, then you win one. But then all of a sudden, before you know it, I've pieced together a three-fight winning streak, and then an opportunity comes out the blue because I've won three in a row, and I've been around forever, and I'd had a lot of high-profile fights. I had the name.

Do you know what I mean? So there's no reason why you can't do that. You're still only 35 years old. You know what I'm saying? Focus on Veto Patrino. Whatever the hell happens after that, who cares?

I'll cross that the Sunday morning afterwards.

You get hit by a bus tomorrow. You know what I mean? Stop thinking about what's going to happen in two years time. Stop stressing out about the belt of trying to get to... Of course, you want to be the champ. Everybody on this roster wants to be the champion. Do you know what I mean? But it's steps. The first step for you is to be-I think that's a life lesson.

I think what you said right there is a life lesson, not just for fighting or for me. I think just in life in general, sometimes I felt like if I wasn't constantly thinking about the title or trying to roadmap myself to it, I almost convince myself that means I care enough. Like, well, no. If I'm not completely focused on it, then I'm not dialed in. I think I've just tricked myself. I think just in life in general, for everybody at home, I think if you just take it one step at a time and stop worrying about... It's like that stereotypical cliché that Mark Montoya says all the time, Stop worrying about the destination. And just focus on the journey that you're on. And I used to always like, Yeah, I get it. Now I'm thinking, finally 35. I think I'm figuring out what he means by that. Stop worrying about the title. Me and Chris Gutier has actually have had this pact with each other in the gym. I think both of us, you've been in training sessions and you're going over jabs, right? How many times have you been in that training session, going over jabs and crosses or something.

Sometimes you just zone out. Like, oh, yeah, I know what he's talking about. So I've been trying... Me and Cree and Chris have been holding each other accountable.

There you go. Sure not to escape side control again.

Yeah, same shit.

I know how to do it. I know how to war walk. I know how to jump. Go on, you were saying.

And that's the mindset that you get. Sometimes we've been around a long time. So we're, I guess, just trying to hold each other accountable. And if I notice, if I look over at him, it seems like he's a little bit zoned out. Let's go tap in and say, Hey, we got to check back in. Maybe it's a small detail that we're missing that could make a big difference later on. Let's tune in to what's really... Just be where your feet are and pay attention. So I'm just focused on one training session at a time. I'm not even worried about what Friday looks like. I'm just focused on today and trying to be super present with where I am.

Well, and that's great to hear in the final word. And then we're going to move on, if you don't mind, because this isn't the let's give a bloody pep talk to Anthony Smith podcast. I like I don't like to talk about this stuff. I do, but Jesus, we got people biting people, Anthony. We got to get to that. Final thing I'll say, and this might sound like an insult, but it's not, because I know that you're still a very hungry man. I know that. And I know, even though everything we've just said, focus on the journey, not the destination, I know you still want to become a champion. But right now, you've got a very comfortable life. You've got a great life. You earn good money when you fight, right? You've had a lot of fights. And now, I don't know your actual pay, but I know you get paid handsomely every time you fight. So you've got money in the bank. You've got ESPN. You've got the award-winning podcast that never wins an award. You've got a lot of opportunities. You know what I mean? You've made money, so life's comfortable. But don't settle for that.

Do you know what I'm saying? Because you can do more. While Yes, you want to focus on the journey and not the destination. And you can go on Instagram and see a million from me memes and clichés and stoicisms and shit like that. But do you want to be the first champ? Because all this other shit right now, all this shit that you can do is still going to be there afterwards, whether you become the champion or not. Do you know what I mean? So you have to... Some things in the short term, you've got to stop. You know what I mean? You got to stop seeing the boys. You got to stop You got to stop getting on flights. You got to stop eating the foods that you like, having a cheeky muscle, muscle meal, and certainly not through a fucking straw.

You know what I'm saying? Definitely not through a fucking straw. No more straws and meals.

You know what I mean? Short term sacrifices will lead to long term goals and gains. Good looking training cam, you sexy beast. So you're up there in Colorado right now, freezing your balls off?

It was 70 when I left over the weekend. I came back and it's 18 degrees and snowing. So freezing my ass off. I got the heat pumped in the apartment. Loving it. Let's go.

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I am, of course, talking about the Victoria's Rose, Thug Rose. Namajunas joining as he was Victoria's at the weekend. So we'll save the discussion on her fight for then. The first fight of the night, it's two Brazilians. They came off the contender series. I can't even remember the names. I can look it up, but it's not essential to the story. Serino or something, I forget. It doesn't matter. We don't need to know his name. We ain't going to be saying that name again. So I'm watching the fight. I'm sitting on the couch. I've just been out. We've gone for a walk. We've had a bit of lunch. I'm sitting there looking at the phone, the whole thing. And I think it's the first fight of the night. I needed to go to the bathroom. I needed a dump. You got a dump. It happens. It's a natural bodily function. People like to scoff and go, we all do it. I thought, Now's the time to do it because it's the first fight of the night. If there's one that I'm going to afford to miss, it's this one. Yeah, logical. I sit on the toilet and then I just hear Paul Felder and everyone losing their minds.

I'm like, Fuck, shit. And then John Ron, who's my YouTube editor, goes, Oh, my God, did you see that somebody just got bit? I'm like, What the hell? And I tried to back it up on ESPN Plus, but you can't back it up. Anyway, I've seen it everywhere. What the hell?

What are we doing? He's buying the shit out of him.

Bite of the Night. That's insane, man. That is insane.

How do you think he got away with that?

Well, I don't think he did think he would get it. Well, because I don't think he was thinking in the moment, and It's a shame for that guy. And there's the bite mark there. And he actually got it tattooed. Did you see that?

Yeah, I did see.

He said the bite mark into a tattoo, which is really cool, actually. Rebecca thought, Why is he doing that? Listen, he He's a skilled mixed martial artist. He was looking good. Apparently, he was undefeated. They both were. I don't know much about where he's from in Brazil. I'm assuming it's a tough part of town, right?

It's not the first person he's been, I'd imagine.

Because you got to be a certain type of person to resort to biting somebody. He wasn't even getting his ass kicked. He wasn't even getting choked out. If you get him choked out, you're like, You're a bastard. Give him a little nibble. You know what I mean? You're winning. You're in the driver's seat, and you just thought, Fuck it. My brain can't compute that.

That's where I'm having I know I have like, speech was over here, but I don't understand it. You're not losing. You're not getting pummeled where you feel like you got to go into fight or flight and you're rocked, and maybe you don't know where you are, and you just grab a hold of something and bite it. It was even weird how he did it from the back of his arm, just nuzzled his nose in there like a puppy, trying to cuddle and just bit the shit out of him. It's weird. It's so weird. What a bad look for us.

Well, it's... And unfortunately, we're not in 2003 when we were called human copfighting. We've come a long way since then. But if you think of gentlemanly conduct, you know what I mean? What did you call it? Fair game in the boxing In the Gipsy world, they'll fight with their fist. If someone hits the floor, you don't follow them down. And a lot of boxing people still think that what we do is crazy. You know what I mean? You see people getting an elbow in the face and all the rest of it. Who in the right mind? Even on the in the streets, in a street fight. Unless you're going to get murdered, you do whatever you can. Unless the guy comes to your house and he's trying to really do something bad, then whatever you can fight. You know what I mean? But if you're getting into a one-on-one fight and you resort to biting the guy, I'm sorry, that's disgusting. Utterly disgusting.

You don't bite, you don't grab the balls. You got to keep it gentlemanly.

And knee in the balls?

Knee in the balls is okay. Grabbing them is weird.

People always talk about just knee him in the balls, but I've never done that. I'll just go for the knockout shot. I'd rather punch you in the face than punch you in the face, the knee, and the balls, bro.

You know what I mean? If you were in a life or death situation, I always think it's weird when you see those- How do you call it? The balls. The charlatans that teach martial arts online, and they pull up that bullshit. And then the groin strike with the knee. If my goal is to kill you, it's going to take more than a ball shot and a tummy ache. It's probably not going to stop me.

And I always talk about this in mixed martial arts. When people go to shoot a double leg take down and they go to fire the knee, to knee them in the face as they're coming in. If you time it perfectly to where the patellar, the actual knee, the hard part of the knee connects with the face, that's fantastic. But it's not very often you see people will time it perfectly. A lot of the time, you connect with the thigh, the soft, meaty part of the thigh, and that doesn't hurt too much. And you give them the takedown.

I was like, you really just gave them a single leg.

You just given them a takedown, bro. Uppercuts are best. I'm not sure why I got onto this.

It's a good point, though.

What?

It's a great point, though, that a lot of people miss. They're like, Well, just time the knee. Oh, yeah. Just feed them a takedown.

Uppercut Yeah.

You know why? See, I don't throw a lot of uppercuts because I don't know why. I think it's the shoulder dip that throws me off when I go to load it, and then I throw it. I don't think I exit fast enough because I always get countered on the way out, always.

I always like to hook the caught if they're coming in, because even if you miss the uppercut, the underhook is right there. The underhook is right. All you're going to do is that. The underhook is there to defend the take down. At least you get one underhoking. You know what I mean? Like an uppercut. You're like, you're coming in with an underhook. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to get over to factory X, bro.

You're going to give me some data.

Jesus Christ, I've got so much knowledge.

We got a great team here. You let me know. I'll get my people, all your people, and we'll fly you here to Denver tomorrow. Tomorrow morning.

Number one, I'm joking. Secondly, the pressure I would feel would be unbelievable. I have not coached anything in years.

I remember I did a seminar- You don't need to actually coach, though. It's not like you're coaching a team. Just be like, detail stuff with a friend.

He's doing great, Mark. He's doing great. I'd like to see him keep his left hand up a little bit, maybe check those kicks, but you guys are doing an amazing- I'm going to check your kicks like a ball, too.

I'm going to check your kicks like crazy. It's been great.

We'll carry on checking them for the next bloody eight weeks, you prick. Is that and Harrington and Brian, welcome to the show, everybody. Biting somebody. I turned the hat off, Harrington. That wasn't on before. Four.

He can leave it on.

No, you can put it back on.

No, we prefer it, actually, if you just put it back on.

Yeah, on or off. It's your call. I'm just messing with you, Harrington. Come on, buddy. Welcome to the show, boys. Let's have a roundtable discussion. Is that the worst foul we've ever seen in the UFC?

I think so. If not, it has to be up there. I mean, a bite? We've never seen a bite in the UFC before, right? It's as bad as a blatant eye gouge.

I was going to say I thought that Mike would go with the eye gouge, the Cacheoeira. Cacheoeira?

Oh, yeah.

Was eye gouging the shit out of-Cacela Cacheoeira. Yeah. Remember She was eye gouging the shit out of someone that had her in a rear naked choke, and she was going back and thumb the hell out of her eye. I thought that one was pretty bad, too.

Gillian Roberts on the same level.

The Paul Daily one against Josh Koshchek, but that was after After the fact. But again, I like Paul. I've known him for a long time. But you were asking to get kicked out the organization with that one. I just googled the list here, and it has the five worst, but this was 2022. Raphael Natal, Sal versus Uriah Hall. What happened there?

So he started the fight. There was bad blood between them, and he started the fight with literally a punk kick right to the groin. It was a very blatant nutshell.

Pyodian, Aljamain Sterling He's in there at number three.

Look at what's number one on that list.

What is it? Are you on SuperSports? John Jones versus Anthony Smith in number one. That was a pretty blatant knee to the face.

I'm sorry.

That was a pretty nasty one. It was-I'm surprised.

I didn't make it for Jorge Rivera.

I was going to say, why? That one guy, the English guy, got all angry and started screaming and hollering.

Well, he's a goddamn prick. Real quick before we to move on from what happened Saturday night.

He definitely got caught, right?

Okay, they fired him immediately.

He was cut? And he gave the other guy a $50,000 bite of the night bonus.

Nice.

And on top of that, Nevada State Athletic Commission stepped in. They said they are keeping his 10K that was in escrow as well. So he's walking away completely empty-handed from that fight. Good.

Well, you have to be held accountable. You go out there, you get flown to Las Vegas, you put on a If you're on a big platform like ESPN, and then you're going to go out there and bite somebody, you're going to be held accountable, let alone. I mean, that could be deemed... At what point does what you're doing in the octagon, if you've got blatant disregard for the rule sets, at what point does that become assault?

That's what I was just thinking. At some point, that's illegal. At some point, that's illegal. You know what I'm saying?

Just because you're in a fight, we have a set of rules which are agreed upon by the athletic commission. Biting people never has, was, or is a part of that. You can't go out there. It's one step away from pulling out a baseball back covered in barbed wear. Same shit. That's not allowed.

I just wanted to ask you guys because I was talking to somebody in our ad sales team about that, and they were like, Dude, that's got to be grounds for suing. There's got to be a civil suit there. And I was like, I don't know because these guys... You've said before, Michael, you sign a piece of paper that says, If I die in that cage, I'm assuming that responsibility. So biting has to be covered under that, right?

No, no, no. And then don't quote me on this, but I do seem to recall, and I have not studied the UFC contracts in quite some time, but I seem to remember back in 2006 or '05, when I first got it, and I did just have a little skim through it, and I did see some verbiage about if you die, if you die, it's a shame, but you can't then shoot.

If he dies, he dies.

If he dies, he dies. But if you get bit, you're not agreeing to get bit. You're not agreeing that someone's going to sneak a knife in.

Yeah, I was going to say, you definitely get prosecuted if you did some weird video game shit, like put concrete in your gloves or something stupid like that. You'd go to jail.

There's been civil So for a guy pack their boxing gloves, and then they find it out later and they're able to sue that fighter for whatever damages they were able to prove. So there's got to be some case of a civil suit there. If you bite me, I don't know that I'm suing, but you're getting jumped in the fucking lot for sure.

Do you know of any old-school cheating techniques, Anthony? One that they used to do long time ago. Now you probably can't get away with it, certainly in America, because they have the commissions. But the tape that they wrap your hands with. What they used to do was put it on a wall and then roll it up and then up and down, up and down, and it makes a rock-hard piece of tape. And you do that loads of times. You put it on there and then you cover it up with regular flat tape. So underneath that, it's hard as hell. That's an old Dutch trick from when I'm led to.

That feels like the soul of the deadly weapon.

Back in the day, and I think people still do this, but not anybody that I know personally, but I can't imagine that they don't. And you've heard, you hear some people bitching about it. Back in the day, guys used to take... When they're cutting weight, they'd use the bathtub or whatever. Or the night before the fight or the morning of, they would take a hot bath and put a shit ton of baby oil in the water with them. Yeah, of course. And then their body would suck up the baby oil. But then when you get off and you're dry and you wipe off, your skin's normal. The second you start to sweat, though, you're just sweating baby oil out of your pores and they can't grapple.

That was a classic. George St.

Pierre, right?

Yeah. Who keeps George St.

Pierre doing that?

Brian, Brian, Brian, do not, do not slander the good name of George St. Pierre. Oh, I'm not. Jesus Christ, how dare you? What are you going to say Next. O'malley had gel in his hair.

What a mess all that has turned out to be. Like the post-fight fallout from that.

No, it's all good. It's all good. Harrington, talking about what we were saying earlier, number 6 in the notes. Break it down.

Yes. So Ron DeSantis has passed the bill. We're in Florida. If you are under the age of 14, you are not going to be allowed to have a social media account starting in January of 2025. Anybody who currently has one under the age of 14 years old, it will be deleted. Worth noting, Metta's terms of service state that you have to be at least 13 to have a social media platform.

Right. So if you've got to be 13, And they're making the law 14. Okay. No, thanks for mentioning that last part, because essentially it doesn't change anything anyway. But I think a lot of... I know for a fact that I've signed Lucas up and my other kids to stuff when they were younger than that. I've just said, just change your date of birth or whatever. Do you know what I mean? I'm not talking social media stuff, but you know what I mean? I forget what it was now. I truly do forget what it was. But anyway, how do you feel about that? Just as a concept, 14 and under or under 14, no social media.

I think it really depends on what parent you are. My kids won't be on social media before then anyways. But well,. My oldest daughter has TikTok, but it's extremely monitored. There's crazy settings, and she really doesn't do much on it. It hurts her and her 10 friends. But I know where Brian is going to go with this because he doesn't like the I'm in overreach. But yeah, I don't disagree. I don't disagree. I'm fine with children 14 and under not being on social media. I think that's probably for the best if we're being... When is social media? I guess it wasn't a thing when you were that young, but- No, it wasn't when I was young, for sure.

I think it's absolutely for the best. I mean, going back to what we said before, talking about your fights, talking about DC, even big, tough guys like you and Daniel Cormier, it still affects you. We were talking last week, we had Rebecca on. We had a little segment. It was one Thursday. We were talking about bullying. These young impressionable girls, they get bullied. They feel under so much pressure and strain to look like other That's why the filters are out of control. You know what I mean? Good luck. If you're on one of these Tinder websites and you're looking at a bigger- You're screwed. And you think that's what you're going to go and meet up with, no, bro.

No, bro. Yeah. Those things would make you and I even good looking.

Yeah, exactly. Do you know what I mean? But for young men as well. You know what I mean? I don't understand other than obviously learning stuff, looking at stuff, judging people, all the rest of it. I don't understand what benefit they would get out of it anyway.

No, I think all the benefits they're going to get out of it are going to be negative, probably. Anything they take from it long term is going to be negative. And it's really the, for my wife and I, at least, it's the bullying factor because Snapchat. It's funny we even brought this up because I was actually just listening to... I'm really boring, guys. I've listened to Congressional hearings a lot, and they had the CEO of Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, and Discord. We're all at this Congressional hearing, forced to be there. Essentially, Congress was trying to put some... Figure out what the hell is going on, and how do we keep kids safe, and all the sex trafficking, and all the images. Yeah, I saw that one.

The images.

I didn't even spoke about this. Oh, yeah. Did we?

But anyways- Well, no, no, no. Sorry. On a Thursday. But just for my wife and I, that's what it is.

It's the bullying and the... I mean, that's a... Social media is a window for anybody to come in through right into your kids' phones. I just don't think they're old enough at that point to manage that and navigate it.

No, for sure. And then there's the other side. Obviously, there's drugs being sold via social media Here in Snapchat and all the rest of it, we talked about that. But also, you don't get reality on social. Very rarely, very rarely, you get people's best ideological version of life. We're all happy. Everything's perfect. Look at us. I've got the perfect relationship. I've got loads of money. I've got a beautiful car. We're eating in the finest restaurants. We're flying here, look at our hotel. And nine times out of 10, it's bullshit. And they're putting forward this want to be reality that doesn't exist for them. You know what I mean? Most of the time, and Brian just looked this up, there is been in a survey, but you know what? Most of these couples... I mean, Rebecca, we've got a great relationship. We're not out there professing our undying love for each other every five minutes on social media. Do you know what I mean? And it turns out the majority of these people that are, they They're the ones that break up. They're the ones that have no real foundation in their relationships. I don't know what the Google search is, Brian, but there is a Google search, and I want you to come up with the stats, the info, the percentages.

I say this all the time. Anytime I see you see a couple on, Instagram or Facebook, or my wife's got... I don't have Facebook, my wife has it, and she'll be like, Oh, look at this. And it's these random couples that are just constantly talking about how great they are and how much fun they have and how much they love their partner. I always joke with Mikaela and say, Oh, I wish I love my wife that much. I just don't get it. I thought for the longest time, Are we the only ones that aren't super PDA and mushy-mushy? Oh, no, we have an actual real life functioning marriage. That's a goddamn shit show going on over there, and they're probably on their up and down roller coasters. I love you. I hate you. I love you. I hate you. I think we're the normal ones, probably, Mike.

Yeah, it's because, as you say, you have a It's not your relationship. You don't need to put it out there for the world to see. If you and your partner know that, it doesn't matter. You don't need to put it out there to the world. Your partner knows, you know. Other than that, it's nobody's business, and people don't want to see that all the time. Who do you think you're I'm pressing. Granted, sometimes, they'll be, Oh, God, look at these. They've cracked it. What a... Love you guys. Great. Nobody cares.

Yeah, nobody says it. Do you see Mike and Rebecca today? Nobody says that. They just go by and say, Oh, they're mad at each other. They must be fighting.

Yeah, or on the rare occasion, she looks good. I'll be like, Let's get a picture. Let's celebrate this moment.

On the rare occasion.

I'm like, Jesus, you really pulled yourself together tonight. You've been on the treadmill. Let's celebrate this. Let's get a picture on. Joe, she's beautiful.

Here's her stat. Brian put them up there for you.

Yeah, this isn't the one. I saw this, but I'll read it out, Brian. It's not the stat I wanted because I did see it, but it says, Data suggests that social media is now a factor in one in seven divorces, with a similar number admitting that they look unlike for evidence that their partner has been unfaithful. Social media has also been said. Yeah, exactly. It does contribute to the demise of relationships. But there was another study done recently where it showed that the majority of these people that are always going on about how perfect life is, turns out it's not perfect. And I don't know how we got onto this. How did we get onto this?

Social media.

Tiktok ban.

Yeah.

Not good for kids. Brian, you're saying, please, I will allow you.

Is it just TikTok or all social media, Brian?

Tiktok is going to be a thing of the past soon anyway, because they're trying to get rid of that unless it's sold to a non-Chinese company.

We should buy it. I don't think they'd let that happen. I'll buy it. You got that money?

No, we're going to need a loan. We're going to need a loan. We're starting to go for it to buy TikTok.

As much as I hate government overreach and them telling me that I can't do things in the royal sense, I don't think social media should exist in general. I think that the way that it's set up is literally to destroy society and Western culture in particular. I'm okay with this.

Yeah, okay. All right. I mean, that's a Brian take. It's designed to destroy culture.

Well, I mean, the government did use it during...

It is designed to destroy culture.

It's not designed to destroy culture. A hundred % of it. It's essentially designed for people to keep in touch with one another.

Facebook was initially just for a college.

It has morphed into a control mechanism for the The powers that be.

When Facebook first came out, I couldn't even have Facebook because I didn't go to college, and it came out in my senior year. Yeah.

I didn't have a college email. No, of course. Instagram, to start with, was a photography.

God, it was so stupid, too. When it first came, this shit's stupid.

Instagram was a photography app. It evolved into what it is today. Now, of course, given the algorithms and government stepping in where they shouldn't be doing, and it is used for other things. But the destruction of society I'm just going to throw it out there. That's a step too far, and I'm just going to throw it out there as well. Kate Middleton is not dead. She's not been murdered by the elites, Brian.

Argueably.

Off the screen, off the screen.

Was he arguing that she was dead?

She's been murdered, Michael. She's been murdered. That's the conspiracy. How about this? She's sick. It's a private matter. It's nobody's goddamn business. She's got children.

She's got- I watched the video. She popped up and got cancer.

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I don't know. I'm hoping Drikus gets Izzy in a sense so that I can fight Sean Strickland. So Robert is calling for Strickland. Rumors online mind is that Strickland is fighting Hamzaat. What does Anthony Smith say?

I like the Hamzat-Strickland fight. I don't know that the UFC probably hated Strickland as a champion. Whether it's abrasive or not, he draws. So I don't know that they probably care too much about that. I don't think that probably matters. I think they're just looking for the best next fight. And And I don't think that they redo that fight. I don't think people are begging for it. Typically, when you see a many rematches like that, I think it's when the fans want it and the crowd wants it. I do think Strickland could get one more win and probably get a title shot right away, though.

Well, Sean has been beating the drum a bit lately saying it's bullshit. Everybody gets immediate rematches, and we spoke about that. Never mind that. Look at this. The one and only Thug Rose making the debut in the world's best ever made podcast. Rose, thank you for being here. Thank you for your time. Of course, Anthony Smith. Don't need to make an introduction there. How the hell are you doing?

I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.

No, it's long, long over due. We were just talking before. We said we've never had Rose on.Unbelievable.Yeah. You scare me, Rose. I'm very intimidated by you. You know what I mean? I see when you're locked in fight week and you've got the overalls on, you got the shaved head and you're stoic and you're looking tough. I'm like, I'm not messing with her. Talk us through the fight Saturday night, and congratulations on a great victory.

Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah, it was definitely not the easiest fight. There were some back and forth moments. I think I Overall, I dominated. I had a couple of slip-up moments or some shots got in, but overall, I was happy with my performance. There were some things that I had worked on in the camp that I wish I could have shown itself. I know I'm capable of a lot better. I know I was capable of... If I could do it over again, I definitely would look for more finishing opportunities. But overall, I had a lot of pressure on me, so I was like, I'm just happy I got the job done.

Rose, I've always admired you and Pat and just your transparency on what's going on in your head and where you're at in life. And I try to do the same, and I'm constantly on here We're talking about therapy and trying to keep my shit together in my own head. You were out for a while, and we didn't hear much from you. And then you pop up, you got this awesome fight, and everyone's pumped about it. But what does that time away look like? What are you doing? Because you said you had a lot of pressure, so I'm assuming you probably had a long training camp. It always seems like yours are long. What does that all look like in your head as you're trying to work it all out?

Yeah, I guess a lot of what we do, I think we end up making things bigger than what they are. That's definitely what I did. There's definitely a lot of life changes that I had. I've been taking care of my 86-year-old grandmother from Lithuania, so that was a huge thing. I bought a new house, so there was a bunch of stuff like that outside of fighting. And then obviously within my career, just making that transition to 125 itself was, I guess, So many things that I had to adjust, but not too bad. It's just something to do. And then coming off with two losses in a row, that was tough. Because that's never happened before. So I think I pushed it out of my mind. But I think in my subconscious, that was definitely bothering me more than I gave it credit for. And other than that, just been really focusing on my spirituality, just building my relationship with God. That's been number one, but everything else, just life and trying to find a balance.

Were you- Sorry to jump in, Michael. I just want to follow that one real quick. Focusing on the stuff that really matters, Rose. You know what I'm saying? Because fight, and of course, it's a wonderful thing, and we're all lucky to have done it and have the career and make some money. But it doesn't last forever. You know what I mean? And that's not what's really important. When we watched your fight Saturday night, my wife, Rebecca, said this to me. And obviously, we shared the same locker room, but I'd just been choked out unconscious. You had a tough fight. I don't remember any of it. But Rebecca said, I've always been a huge fan of Rose. And she said, I'll never forget. Afterwards in the locker room, when the fights were all finished, you and Pat were talking and you were inquiring about your flowers or the plants that you'd planted at home. You said, How are the plants and all the rest? She said, I was earwigging and listening in, and she just thought that was the most beautiful thing ever. After You're in a fight, you just defended the title, won the title, knocked out your money on J.

J. And you're bothered about your plans at home. So how are the plans? Sorry, Anne, today.

No, you're fine.

Yeah. No, it's funny because that's actually... Obviously, I love what I do. I love fighting. I probably love it more than I give it credit for. Half of the time, I know I only have. We know this isn't forever, right? And so when it's over, it's over. So I'm trying to enjoy as much of it as I can. But ever since I was a little girl, I've always wanted to be a farmer. I don't know why that's been my dream. And so I'm just using fight it to get to that point, to get to just be in nature. So at that time, that was my first time successfully growing a tomato plant. And it was funny because I still have it. I wish I had it here, but there's a picture that I took right after I won the belt and I came home to my very first tomato right then. I'm like, I was just holding it up with the belt on.

I made this.

Yeah, it's great. It's a great picture. So it was like, I got the belt and I got a tomato. That's awesome.

I love that. Not that I want to bring it back to a negative place. And honestly, it might just be me being more curious just for myself. But when you were talking about you lost two in a row, you never lost two in a row before. And me and Mike talk about this all the time I got to stay off of social media because I get my feelings hurt all the time. Yeah, that's the worst. But you see what people say, and like, oh, maybe he doesn't have it, or maybe Rose doesn't have that edge anymore, or whatever. How do you keep... Because you're so in tune with your feelings and what's going on and very honest about yourself.

Yeah.

Were you having second thoughts, or was it like, All right, well, we just got to make some tweaks, and then we'll fix those problems? Or were you like, Man, maybe I don't have it anymore? Where were you at?

Yeah, the thought of whether I have it or not still was definitely circulating in my mind a bunch of times. Because even to this point, I know when I go to practice, this actually was one of the better camps that I've had in a while. And my performances at practice were amazing. I had a couple of days where I wasn't the best version of myself, but I experienced a little bit of everything. And I knew that it was possible to wake up that day and you're performing to your best ability, and you did everything. I just woke up that day. So I knew that was possible. But I still had that question of, okay, I know I'm actually better than I've ever been. Even the performance that I gave, I still know that I'm capable of a better performance. But I still did pretty good considering. But I guess what I was trying to say is I sent a question of... I didn't doubt myself whether I was better than Amanda or if I... Because my resume speaks for itself. She's really good, but she still has to get that experience. I was just wondering, okay, do I want it as bad?

And then do I still got it? Those are two similar but separate things. I forgot where I was going with that.

But I guess- I think you answered my question. You weren't like... You knew you still had it, and you're definitely good enough. It's just maybe some of the outside stuff. Will I? Yeah, will you? Yeah.

And I think ultimately, I just had to be content because I did everything that I could. I really put my best foot forward. But I just submit to... And I had to come to peace with, okay, if I did everything I could and I showed up and it didn't work out for me, either it's like... I wasn't If I wasn't successful, it wasn't like I was about to retire or anything. Or maybe I was depending on if I got severely injured or something like that, then I probably would have like, okay, this is dangerous. But I probably would have just thought about having a few more fights and just have fun with those fights and not so much worry about the belt. Whereas now that I've been successful and I see that I have something to build on, now I'm like, Okay, going after this 125 belt is a realistic thing for me. I always knew that it's possible, and I have the opportunity, so it's like, let me not mess it up. Now it's real. Yeah, I'm still young enough to be able to do that, but it's like, can I? Now I know that it's possible.

Excuse me. You're only 31 years old, Rose. I was just looking at your Wikipedia page there, and obviously, you still look like a young lady. I don't know why I was surprised, but you've just been around the UFC for so long. I'm going to choose my words carefully. So you made the UFC debut December 2014. So in calendar years, that's 10 years. So you were either '21 or '22 when you started fighting for the UFC. But as we get older, we realize '21 is a child. You know what I mean? I'm '45 now. When I was '21, though, I thought I was the man. I thought I had everything figured out and I was all grown up. But what's that been like from 21 to 31, growing up in the spotlight, high-profile fights, becoming the champion of the world? I bet that's been a tough road in some ways.

It really has, yeah. Because it Having that attention on you is such a huge responsibility. And there's so many things, just in MMA itself, the sport is so unique because you have all these different martial arts that you got to learn. So there's different things you I learned in the physical sense, but then just the entertainment side of things and managing your money, and then not just that, but personal relationships. And then most of us, we all come from some background. So it's like we're fighting against generational curses.

There's a reason why we all step into cages. Yeah.

So it's all around. It's been a crazy journey, but I've learned so much. I've been so thankful I'm grateful to have so many learning experiences and be able to still just pick myself back up. So, yeah, I'm very grateful for that.

I feel like we've seen you have multiple different parts of your life. It's almost like because of the ultimate fighter and just the visibility and how popular you are, and especially as a champion. I feel like we've seen you almost grow up a little bit. Do you feel like that?

Yeah, 100 %. The most of my adult life has been like, UFC, and that's pretty much it, aside from some hobbies and some family, like friends. But aside from that, I don't really have much of a life outside of that. So just like my childhood growing up. But, yeah, it's been a huge blessing, too. I mean, I'd never... Looking back on my childhood, everything that I was doing. I didn't know what I was doing, but it just all prepared me for this. I had no idea I'd be a professional fighter. So I don't know. But luckily, I've been able to really... The one thing that's really helped me is just being able to learn from other people around me and really take the good things and then learn from the bad things as well that other people do and just, like they say, it takes a village. I've been really blessed to have traveled the world and been around so many different people, see so many different people, the way they train, the way they live their lives, the way they have managed their career, the way they transitioned out of their career, because that's a whole other thing.

So I just try to learn as I go and take it all in.

So I know what the answer to this question is going to be, because making 125 is a whole lot easier than making 115 pounds. I know the answer already before I ask it, but as I said, I looked at your Wikipedia page quickly, and the things that jump out, of course, the two victories over, Yohana and Jan Jacek, incredible fights, great rivalry. And you've got to be the only woman to beat Jean-Yves Lee twice as Well, does that not tempt you? Because you would think that Jean, being a tremendous champion that she is, you would think that she would welcome a third fight with you. So how tempting is that to say, I'm going to go back down to 115 and take that fight and become a champion again?

At the moment, not very tempting. I wouldn't say never or absolutely no. Obviously, if the price is right, Yeah, always. Yeah. So if there's an interesting offer, but I'm open to it. But I really want to become two division champion. I really think that that has to be my main focus is. And then if I can do that, then maybe, you know what I'm saying? Like add a cherry on the top or something. Just thinking about... Because I did a lot of work to try to not just be chubby, but actually build some muscle and So that was a lot for me to... Because actually, even early in my career, it wasn't until maybe, I don't know, shoot, probably right before the Yohana fight, the Michelle Waterston fight. I I was still a smaller straw weight, and then slowly I just kept getting bigger and bigger. So it's always been harder for me to keep on size because I just work out so much and my metabolism was higher. But now that I'm a little bit older, I think it's the perfect time for me to make this transition. And so I've been making it, and it's been a lot of work.

So to undo all of that and just go back down just because I already beat Whaley twice. And to be honest, to be totally honest, beating her the second time was a little bit harder than the first. A little bit.

It never gets easier than the first time. I mean, that was the best head kick ever.

Right. Yeah. So it's just to be motivated for that. I got to be motivated because she's the best.

She's a awesome- Win or lose, it's going to suck, probably.

Yeah. So in order to get up for that one, I got to be really motivated.

Yeah. So you talked a little bit about what you want next. I don't feel like very often... I can't recall too many other times I've seen you mention names or people, specifically. You're usually like, Yeah, we'll figure it out as we go. But the Macy one was shocking to me because I thought you guys were fairly friendly, both being around Colorado.

Yeah, I don't have an issue with her. She used to call me out when she was younger before she got in the USA, and I was the champ at the time. She might have been in the... She was like, 12. Yeah, so I don't know. It's just like we have a little bit of history, but I don't have anything personal against her. I just noticed that she's been wanting to fight me a long time ago, and she just had a good performance.

And she's winning.

Yeah, she's winning. But she would be cool, or I just assume that that would be one of the options. I mean, I'd rather fight Erin Blanchfield or Manon Führer, the winner of that, just because I think they're ranked a little higher.

Which one would you rather have?

Which one out of those two?

Yeah, out of those two. Blanchfield and Manon. Whoever wins.

I know. Whoever you're playing. I mean, like Manon, obviously, I want to rematch because I felt like I was really close to beating her, and it was just a really close fight.

And I broke your finger nice and early in the It was like an accordion on my hand, so it was just gross.

But even all that aside, I still felt like I was just so close. So that would be cool. But if she doesn't win, then it's like, okay. I mean, I guess it'll be still cool, I guess. But any one of the winners, I guess.

Well, I was going to ask you about that. This weekend, it is Manon Fior versus Erin Blanchfield. Main event, Atlantic City. I'll be jumping on a plane. I'll be there. Who, in your humble opinion, role, goes, walks away the victor of that fight?

Yeah, I've been saying that I've been leaning towards Aaron Blanchfield. I do believe Manon has the ability and the power to maybe catch her with some strike coming in. But if she doesn't do that, I see Erin Blanchfield pushing the pace and just outworking her. So that's just my prediction.

Yeah, Blanchfield's got... I'm trying to remember, Mike, we were watching a fight. Oh, it was Oh, my God. Who did she maul one time? And I remember thinking, nobody wants to fight her. So it's always so crazy. I don't know, of course, you're the person. It's like, Yeah, I'll fight her. It's not that... The mindset is so different because I'm watching her like, God damn, that check is tough. You're like, yeah, I'll fight that girl. That's crazy.

That's what I want to feel it. You know what I mean? For me, I mean, just, yeah, her style is... I think a lot of people would be maybe counting me out in that one. And that's just what gets me up. Somebody, if you count me out, I'm like, All right, let's do it. Obviously, I have a lot of respect for her, and I definitely be taking it very seriously. But I think that'll be cool.

Growing up, I always wanted to fight Anderson Silva, simply because I idolize the guy. I had so much respect. He was just an absolute legend. So for you, for the longest time ever, it was Valentina Shefchenko. She was the fly away queen, and now we got Alexa Grasso. Two very, very close fights. They're going to coach the ultimate fighter. For you, when, if, and when, and we'll say when, we'll put that positive energy out there, when you get to fight for the belt, who would you rather it was against? Shefchenko or Grasso?

So man, I guess just for my own, if I'm just being a fan here, I think Shefchenko would be more of the more interesting or exciting iconic fight. But at the same time, I also I like Valentina. So that would be a little bit hard, too, just on a personal level. But it is what it is. We're professionals. And I know she's a martial artist. She's a true martial artist the same way that I am. So I know she would have no issues with that either. And we punched and kicked each other for a long time in the gym. So it's like, might as well get paid for it.

And Valentina is just one of the coolest girls. Outside of fighting, she's got so much stuff going on. She's flying planes, she's acting in movies, and God knows what else she's doing. She's probably a secret agent for some country somewhere.

That's what I'm saying. I want to be her.

What do you do? What is something shocking outside of the UFC? I know you've been doing a bunch of interviews today, so again, thank you for your time. I can still see the scars and the scratches and whatnot on your face. When the dust settles and it's just you and Pat, what do you like to do in your spare time? I guess right now- What makes you smile? Definitely- Because it ain't talking to us.

Yeah. I mean, true. Obviously, gardening, that's any type of homesteading. I'm just getting into to beekeeping now, so that's a really cool new hobby of mine. I'm just starting it, so that's very interesting. And then Just hanging out with my dogs and my family and friends. And I've been practicing piano a little bit more. I don't know, I'll show you all my baby grand.

Oh, there we go.

Oh, look at that.

Can you see it?

I don't know. Yeah, no, we saw it a second ago. Yeah. Yeah, look at that.

I don't have the skills to get the camera going here.

Are you getting some lessons?

What's that?

Some piano lessons?

Yeah. I've been playing piano since I was five years old.

She's like, That's it. That's all you get it. I don't blame her because she's messing with them. She's got the baby grand piano.

We have a piano in our house. One of my daughters took lessons, and I'm like, Oh, my God, it's so loud. All the ding, ding, ding, ding, ding in my head.

Okay, sorry. No, you're good. I knew you'd come back. You're messing with the camera and you're hung up on us. I forgot where we were then.

That's what I don't do on my free time. I don't do anything with my phone.

Good. How does one start keeping bees? Because I'll tell you what, my wife- That was going to be my next question. My wife wants to start keeping bees, and I'm all for it. Hobbies are great, but I'm terrified of bees and wasps. I'm a baby.

No, and that's understandable. Well, first of all, you got to make sure you're not allergic. That's very serious. And then two, I just looked up a mentorship program. You just people that are experts, they set one up in your yard, and then they walk you through the whole thing. There's so much Internet information available. It's just hard to decipher what's... Because there's no ways to do But I'm actually going to do it the legit way and get a mentor or an inter-ship program a thing, and they're going to set it up. I had a box this last season, and it produced some honey, but over the winter it died. So I still have a lot to learn. But it's cool. It's funny because Because if you're calm and if they're not pissing them off, they're cool with you, and they're actually just pretty friendly.

It's just- You literally are going,. They won't be freaking out.

Yeah. But they're sentient beings. It's crazy. It's a really long story, but I've definitely had certain experiences that I feel like they're way more intelligent than we would even they realize. And so they're really in tune with stuff. So that's why I feel like I've been being called to do it. So really looking forward to just learning more about it. And yeah, they're chilling. As long as you're chilling, they're chilling.

I think that you and Pat are like, you're so fascinated because your personalities are so different. Where do you guys come up with... Who comes up with the beekeeping idea? Is that you or is that Pat?

Yeah, it's definitely me. But it's funny because if it wasn't for me, he would have never done any of this stuff. But it's funny because the more and more that we do more the homesteading stuff and just learning different things and hobbies, it's like, he ends up picking it up more than myself, and he gets more into it than me sometimes. And I'm just like, I'm tired from practice or just don't feel like water.

He's out there beekeeping.

He's just over there like, Come on, we got to get the garden ready. And I'm like, This is awesome because then he picks up the slack where I'm lazy sometimes.

And this is what I like to talk to people about because it's just the normal stuff away from fight. You I want to talk about training. Tell me, to break down this fight, you know what I'm saying? You want to talk about this normal stuff, this everyday stuff, life. Anthony, what are we going to ask there, buddy?

Was it actually a question? Pat was one of the... I don't know, long, long time ago. I remember, it's like I say to you guys, there's totally different personalities, but really, when you get really deep in a conversation with Pat, it's not really that far off, to be honest. It was the first big name fighter to acknowledge me. I was the undercard guy, the loser, And I remember him just like, Hey, what do you do? I was like, I'm trying not to get beat up on this bus with all these monsters here, actually. And we just had a super cool conversation. It's always been super nice, even when I was absolutely nobody.

He was very candid. I I think over time, it's like you hang out with somebody so much, you turn into each other a thing. But where we're different, we definitely end up balancing each other out. I think what makes it work is he really just wants to focus on making sure I'm having a good day. So it's cool. It's a huge blessing.

Yeah, it really is. Well, it's been a huge blessing having you on the show as well, Rose. We've been a big Big fans of you work for a long time. Congratulations on the weekend. I will drop the fact that you think Erin wins at the weekend as well, if you don't mind on commentaries. Good luck with everything going forward. And again, thanks for your time.

Awesome, guys. Thank you.

Thanks, Rose.

All the best. Rose, now, my units, I mean, how can you not root for that girl?

It's impossible not to. She's just... I don't know. You just find yourself, anytime I've run into her, you just find yourself enjoying the time that you're just there talking talking because she's so real. There's no fake. We were talking earlier about the fake bullshit. That's 100 % Rose, 100 % of the time.

And she's an introvert from what I understand. So that's why I said I'm very grateful for her time today because I wasn't sure whether or not to hit her up because I don't like to bother fight straight after a fight. But she got the win. She got back in the winning column after losing the last two. She was very open about those thoughts, and I thought I'd reach out because we've had some nice communication in the past, and she was brilliant. To pull the curtain back, we just stopped for a quick pee break. I ran to the bathroom. I said, babe, Rosie's doing bees. She's raising bees. Oh, my God. I want to do that. She's like, yeah, she lives on a farm. She lives somewhere where land is way cheaper than California. Okay, so we're going to move. We're going to raise bees. We're going to grow tomatoes, spinach. Yeah.

I see. I like the farming thing. I'm not big into the plants, though. That's all we're doing. I like growing the animals. We're going to have chickens. I like the animal thing. Normal thing. Ducks. You got to get some ducks or some geese.

Geese are annoying.

No, not like those. There's different kinds of geese.

What geese are you talking about?

I'm not talking about the ones in the park that hisse at you in their own dickheads. There's nice geese out there.

We'll get some good geese then. We'll get some good geese. Right. So what are we talking about? We were talking about Sean Strickland versus maybe Hamza Chimey and Robert Whittaker calling out Sean Strickland as well. I think that's a great call out for Robert. It's a good path. It could potentially be a really big win for him. But then also there seems to be a rumor going around on social media of Hamza versus Sean in Saudi Arabia. Granted, at the same time I saw that post, I also saw a post about Pavee Pimbler fighting Paul Felder. Did you see that one?

Oh, that would be awesome.

That would be awesome. I text Paul Felder straight away. Paul said, That's bullshit. He said, I don't know why that's doing the rounds, but that is absolute horse shit.

When you guys at home know it's true, because if Mike had text him and Paul said yes, he wouldn't have said anything to you.

We wouldn't be talking about it right now.

We wouldn't be talking about it.

Yeah, but it just goes to show you can't believe everything that you read on social media. But Hamza versus Sean in Saudi Arabia, that could be another one of them. But what's your thoughts on that?

I'd rather see Hamza versus Whittaker.

Hamza versus Whittaker.

I'd rather see that fight.

What about Sean versus Whittaker?

I would love that. That's a more interesting fight for me than Strickland versus... Because, listen, this is not me negatively talking about Strickland, but we know his game plan, and we know where he's at. Hamza is such a dominant physical problem for a guy that has the style. Matchups make fights, styles make fights. I think that Whittaker-Strickland is a great fight. I think that Whittaker-Hamza is a great fight. I think Strickland Hamza is tough. I think it could potentially look a lot like the Kevin Holland Hamza fight. Strickland fights very upright. He's a little bit limited in his mobility. He's got pretty good takedown defense, but not a huge kicking game. He's not crazy. He's a crazy, super one punch, powerful type of striker. He's more of a volume guy, and he's great at all of those things. I think stylistically, I think Hamza would get a hold of him and really slow that down, and it may not be the most exciting fight in the world. That said, I think if you go Strickland-Whittaker, Whittaker-Hamsat, I think that those are amazing, exciting fights.

I think regardless of who they actually end up fighting, outside of Drikus and Izzy, then The next three biggest names are Sean, Hamza, and Whittaker.

You know what I mean? Someone's getting left out.

One of those matchups is going to get made. I'd be very, very surprised if they don't. So I guess we'll see how it all plays out. Ufc 301, Anthony, you're going to be on that card. I was on the fight card a second ago.

Jose Aldo.

Jose Aldo is back.

I've never fought on a card with Jose Aldo before.

Oh, that's cool.

And I think that's-Who else is on there?

Steve Urzeg versus-Pantosha and Urzeg.

I know that people are upset about this, or even I'm here in Denver at Factory X. Mark Montoya and Brandon Royville are absolutely livid that they didn't get that. He went all the way to Mexico. His whole I'm going to plan. I'm going to go to Mexico and beat Moreno, and then I'll get the next title shot because I'll beat the number one contender. I get it, the timing, and it's hard to go back to back like that.

It wasn't- It's lost twice, though, to Pantosia, right? It's worth mentioning, to be fair.

It is. And they're They're aware. You know what I mean? They got that.

I asked Roy Valt to come on the show, and he never even responded. You don't get title fights if you don't come on BYM.

You have to go on BYM. You know what? I hope I see him tomorrow. I'm going to give him shit about it.

But even Mark was like, I get it.

But Irsig? I said this when Irsig just fought-When he knocked out Machnell? Machnell. I was working that card, and afterwards, I was sitting next to Dean and said, Irsig might beat them all. He's pretty goddamn good. He's pretty good. I was really impressed. He doesn't have that many fights. So I get why a lot of the 125ers are pissed because he only has three fights in the UFC. But he came in on seven days notice and knocked off the number eight dude and then fought again and then just knocked out another top 10 guy. He's pretty goddamn good. If he can keep Pantos off his back, he might beat him. He might go all the way to Brazil and beat him.

Well, Roy Valls is not the only one who was annoyed. Muhammad Mekai was campaigning for that fight as well. I guess when you go out and you flatline somebody because Machnell, granted not a superstar, but if you follow this sport, Machnell has been around a long time. He's highly skilled. He can compete with the best, and he got flatlined. You know what I mean? Earth said, Yeah, not the biggest name, but you said that. Dean said that. He's knocking down much Nels. He's nasty.

He's nasty. And he's pretty good all around.

I'll say this though, anybody good look against Pantosia, though, because that man is a monster.

A monster. He's fun, too. Just to talk to when we had him on. He's a good conversation. He's a really fun guy to talk to. The Macaive thing, I get why they would probably pass on. And I like Macaive. I think he's amazing. And I mean, we want some excitement, too.

You got to get finishes, sadly.

He's not getting finishes. He's not getting finishes. Pantosia likes to grapple. Macaive likes to grapple. It's tough.

We got Paul Krieg versus Keo Barheo.

I love that That's a good card as well, mate.

That's a good one. Jack Shor, Joe Anderson, Breto, Anthony Smith, Vito Patrino.

That's a pretty good card. That's a pretty good card. It's a sneaky good card.

So let's talk about this. Do you know anything about this? And I don't know if this is true or not. Once again, the Internet has spoken, but apparently there's a clause in the contract of Alex Pereira that if you make short work of Jamal Hill, then he gets to turn it around quickly and fight Magamed Ancalyev at UFC 301. How many times did we speak about this on Thursday?

Yes, we did.

We did. Okay, we'll keep it short.

It's a bad idea.

I agree.

It's a bad idea.

Thank you for saying that.

Well, for a couple of reasons. We just talked about this looking ahead thing, taking your eye off the ball that's in front of you. That That's a bad idea. Nobody makes short work of Jamal Hill. Say what you want about Jamal. Say what you want about his skillset. Nobody's made short work of him. He's in it for the long... Even if you beat him, it's going to hurt, and you're going to be banged up. And then you want to turn around that quick and fight Anca Lyaf?

A completely different stylistic matchup.

Awful stylistic matchup.

Bad matchup.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, Probably opposite from what you just did, but also probably the worst matchup possible in not just a 205. Anca Lyaf would be a worse matchup than any '85 matchup he could find. And he would be a worse matchup than most of the guys at heavyweight since he's been talking to go on a heavyweight.

Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, I'm just looking at the rank.

He might be the worst matchup in three divisions.

If Pereira does be Jamal, that's a big if, right? Because Jamal, I think people are sold on the hype of Alex Pereira because what he's done is incredible. Beating four champions in seven fights. Unbelievable. Two-way division champion, sensational in a short amount of time. But you can't overlook Jamal Hill. Look at how he knocked out Johnny Walker. That's real punching power. You got Yuri, okay, he's beating Yuri. Jan, he's beating Jan. Then you got Magama Dankalev that just stands out as an anomaly in the light heavyweight division now because, all right, fair enough, he's Daghestani. He's got the wrestling, but he's also got the striking to go with it. Magama Dankalev is a bad match up for anybody, let alone somebody that is a quote unquote kickboxer.

He's a nightmare on his feet. Mobility-wise, he moves in and out of range in really small movements. He's just out of the way. He's got a really, and shitty enough for Pereira, he's a southpaw. So not only is he a different style, he's completely different stance. And Uncle Life has a really active lead hand. He really makes it a big pain in the ass. It's hard to get past it because you're in opposite stances. So he's constantly touching it, which is Pereira's main punch. He sets everything up off of that leg kick and the left hook. It's opposite stances, so the leg kick is essentially a lot less effective. And the left hook is going to be nullified a little bit because he's going to be touching it the all the time and constantly going with it. And he's a fire wrestler. I'm a pretty good grappler, and I could tell right away when he was on top, oh, yeah, this is a problem. He's going to be hard to submit. He's going to be hard to... I had a broken ankle, so I couldn't get up. I felt like I could have gotten up had I had two legs, but he wasn't going to be able to sweep him.

You know what I mean?

So what? You had a broken ankle.

We've been on here for an hour and a half or-ish. The only thing that's going to come out is going to be me talking about having a broken ankle and not even a broken ankle. I'm not even able to stand up.

You're right.

It's not going to point Doug Rose quote. Not one conversation about anything positive we've said. It's going to be one excuse that I made.

Well, you're making a lot of them, bro. Listen, Conor McGregor had a broken leg. Okay. Yeah. He's got a titanium shinbone.

What was the break, Anthony? What was the break? That's crazy. That's the point.

You're You're heading off back down to Brazil, Anthony. You love fighting down there.

You want to know the truth?

Go on.

I don't want to retire someday, whenever I do retire, a couple of years from now, and say I never got to win in Brazil. Why? I've never won in Brazil.

How many times you fought there?

Just twice.

That was not too bad. How many times did I fight in Brazil? Was it once or twice? I definitely got kicked into oblivion of Veto. Probably just once, maybe. I never got a bloody win in Brazil. Why are you trying to outdo me? Not everybody can get a win in Brazil.

But I want one. I want to go to Brazil and I want to leave there with a win.

So regardless, when it's all said and done, you said, well, listen, Bisping, you might have won the pelt.

You never got a win in Brazil, did you? I never won in Brazil. I got to get something. If you get the title, I got to get something.

You You think you're all that, but you could have win in Brazil.

You got the title and the jacket, the plaque in the background. I can get the goddamn country, can't I?

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A good segue.

Joshua Farbia, this absolute prick This absolute scumbag. Fighters, this is going to shock a lot of people. Fighters are very, very easy to manipulate. Not all of us. We're not all to the same level. Maybe Maybe they didn't have a father figure around or whatever. But when somebody comes along and they really pretend that they care about you and they've got your best interests at heart, and they're a good salesman, they're a good conman, they can really get their hooks in. And that is exactly what Joshua Farbiah did to Diego Sánchez. Now, Jesse on Fire, who's hosted this show a couple of times as a YouTube channel, he's been covering this a lot. I don't have the actual details to hand, but I did see It's a bit of a video that he posted where Farbiah was essentially blackmailing him. Diego wrote him a check for $100,000. But, Harrington, maybe you can just paint out the A to Z of it all for people to understand exactly what's going on?

Yes. So Diego did open up a bit about it. He talked about you having Fabia in his life. He said that once Fabia got a look at his finances and saw that there might not be as much money in there as as Fabia thought, he started to become very hostile. He was issuing threats. The quote here, Everybody wants to tell me, why didn't you just snap his neck? Why didn't you just crush the guy? If I was you, I would have just snapped him. Yeah, I would have loved to do that, but I'm dealing with a very unstable, mentally unstable, sociopathic psychopath. That is basically the best way I could put it. You're dealing with a Charlie Manson type of mind where he's gone so far that it makes him unstable and dangerous. He went on to talk about how he claimed he was an ex-trained killer, ex-hipman, ex-contract worker for the cartels. And Sanchez says that he feared for the life of not only him, but his child and the mother of his child.

Do you remember that video that came out when he went into that fighter meeting and started?

Where Paul Felder came in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would love to have been in that room and just beat the shit out of that guy. Because if anybody is going to be able to be, and I mean this, if Diego sees us, I mean this with the most respect. There's some people that you know that that guy could be manipulated because he just is so trusting. And that's Diego Sánchez. He took the one person that was clearly had the ability to manipulate. You know what I mean? I remember when I had, I interviewed him just by myself, and I just happened to catch him the one time in a year or a year and a half, that he wasn't with Fabia. I just happened to catch him when I asked him if he would do an interview with me. And he made me promise that I put it out, and he went off the rails a little bit. You could tell that's when he was at his most vulnerable, he was at his most damaged at that point with Fabia, and that was right before the beginning of the end. But I remember just feeling so sad. I've actually never told...

I don't know I've ever told this story. When I interviewed him, it was about 40 minutes 45 minutes of him just losing his shit. And he made some really... It's still out there on YouTube, but he made some crazy claims that the UFC was trying to kill him, and he had all this dirt on Dana. And I called Dana first and said, I just interviewed Diego, and he went off the phone rails. He's lost it. And this Fabia guy, he's got his brain so twisted. And Dana, to his credit, it was One of the coolest conversations I've ever had, he said, You made a promise? Put it out there. And when this Fabia guy leaves Diego penniless and broken, I'll be there to pick him back up. So Diego is always good with me. He can say whatever he wants. When this Fabia guy is done with him, I'll be there to pick Diego back up. And that's exactly what he's doing right now. That was two years ago.

And I don't even need to pick you back on that because I've said so many times, and people just call me an ass liquor in a company, man. But that's the side of day and why that people don't see it. And we don't need to do it. But even though we constantly tell these behind the scenes stories, people aren't interested in that. They only want to hear the negativity. They don't want to hear that. That's us trying to keep our jobs. That's us trying to make money and all the rest of it. Or how about for one second, we should be telling the fucking truth and telling the shit that you really see, not the shit that they see on social media or these horror stories and all the rest of it. So shut the fuck up.

When they write a story about this episode, they're not going to put that story in there. That's just the simple fact.

They're not going to put that in there because- No. Anthony Smith blames, Magga, but ankle I have lost on broken ankle.

Right. It's not going to be that Diego Sánchez was losing his mind because he was being manipulated by this piece of shit, Fabia, and then said the most inflammatory things about his boss, and his boss's reaction was, I love Diego. When this guy's done breaking him, I'll come back in and I'll help him to fix it. And that's exactly what he's doing right now. Literally right now, Dana is standing behind Diego, trying I'm not trying to help him. Right now, he's just trying to help him.

Like, get it back on his feet.

And no one is confusing.

I think he's got some lawyer shit going on.

He's helping Diego out with and just trying to keep food on his table. Like, And no one else... I'm the only one saying it. Diego will say it, but I'm the only one that's saying that. That's not the stories and the clicks and all the other. Again, I'm going off on a tangent now, so I'll get back to the point. No, it's fine. But that's, like you said, that's the shit that nobody sees. And they always do. They're like, oh, these guys are company shills. I don't have to try to keep my job. As long as I keep doing the job itself correctly, Dana is not going to keep me if I'm putting it up. As long as I do my job correctly, I don't have to say nice things about Dana in the UFC. I just have to do my job correctly, and I'm going to keep my job. I don't explain that. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

Anytime we say things like this, it always turns into that. And you're absolutely right. I feel like I'm pretty goddamn good at my job. That's why they have me there. And as long as I continue to do a good job, I will have... I don't need, and I guarantee you, it doesn't get seen. Do you know what I mean? Me saying these positive things, those positive things are my experience. I'll see Dana treating people at the apex or speaking to somebody or speak to some people that, for want of a better expression, are maybe insignificant to his life. But I see how he treats them. Do you know what I mean? And that is impressive to me because it's all well and good. It's like this old cliché, an old saying, Don't judge someone on how they treat you. Judge them on how they treat a waiter in a restaurant. Do you know what I'm saying? Because Diego Sánchez, let's get it back on track. Diego, I think it's fair to say, had a bit of a breakdown, right? And I think the final straw came in this all when Joshua Fábi was requesting, and I don't know the full details, the medical records of Diego, because they were trying to somehow build a case where they could sue the UFC on letting him fight whilst he had CTE or something like that.

And they're like, well, hold on a minute. If you're even thinking about that, then he cannot fight. So essentially this far be a dickhead, this piece of garbage that was just trying to use him and take it for every last penny that he could and manipulate him and use him as a door to sue the UFC just for his own financial gain. Because the end of a legendary career, a Hall of Fame worthy career, he's already in the Hall of Fame. The original fight is the man that won season one of the Ultimate fighter. And then there's no problem. I've seen this video online where he's just berating Diego Or speaking down to him like he's a naughty child, where a teacher doesn't like the student and he's talking to them like shit, or like a Sergeant Major or a drill Sergeant will speak to a maggot that just joined the army. That's That's how he's talking to him and the whole time. And Diego writes him a check for $100,000. The video is terrible. What number have you done on this guy for him to do that? Because make no mistake, Diego could beat the living.

He shit out of this guy. And he ain't no Special Forces dickhead. He ain't no contract killer.

Contract killer.

He's a prick that runs the School of Self Awareness and hangs Diego upside down and He kicks him in the face of his head whilst filming it. He came into that fighter meeting in Abu Dhabi, and he wanted everything to be about him, and the questions weren't about him. So he starts kicking off and Felda loses his mind every single time. You remember the video of Matt Serra? Matt Serra started him as well. Matt Serra didn't take no shit. He put him right in his place.

That guy- It's because most of us can sniff out a con man pretty quick. But like I said, the one person in our community that you might be able to get over on is Diego. And I don't mean that in a negative sense. It's just, let's just not pretend like Diego is not unique. He's different than the rest of us. And that's okay. That's why he loved. Find any fighter in the UFC that past opponent of Diego or not that doesn't love him. Everybody. Nobody has no problems with Diego. That's just who he is. We all accept him. He's He's unique, and we love him for it. But that's the problem that Fabe is going to run into. Now the whole world knows what you did to him.

Yeah, it was sad.

Probably he should beat out of you.

I don't know. Sadly, we live in a world where people can just disappear because He's not really embedded into the UFC, mixed martial arts community and culture. He's just not. He was just an outsider that managed to just worm his way in. And every now and again, we see that. And I've had people do it to me. Diego had it done to him. There's There's some nasty, disgusting, deplorable people out there. You know what I mean? And it's always the ones that come into your life and seem like they're doing the best things for you, the ones that are always selling themselves. Why are you selling yourself so much? If anyone's selling themselves to you saying they could do all these things, then you've got to ask the question, what are they getting out of it? Because most of the time, it's not because they're just a good person. What do they really want? You know what I mean? There's always an angle.

And typically Typically, it's your money.

Typically, it's your money. It is because it's a sad state. It refers money is the root of all evil. It bloody is. It really is. Anyway, so unless Hamilton has got an absolute genius of a breaking story for us, which I find very hard to believe, the genius part. I find it hard to believe that it'll even respond.

I'm furiously googling any breaking news, and I'm not seeing any.

Yeah, we'll get off the screen. I was asking unless... I didn't ask you to appear. Just kidding, Harrington, of course. You might as well come back on if you have a question, send it to bympod@gmail. Com. Lately, we've been getting a lot of questions that are non-MMA. Please, we prefer those questions. We want to talk about life. I'm 45. Anthony is pushing 45. We've got ups, we've got down. We've got homeless people with headphones. We've got the voice of God in the background. Between the four of us, we can give you some good advice. We can tell you about some things. So don't just ask if there was any dream matchup you could have had, who was it? That's a shit question. If you can match anyone in the pound for pound list against each other. If you got a good question, send it in. Oh, God. Is that one of them, Brian?

I can't tell you how many times we've gotten the question, Can you make me a list of your favorite whatever or the best or who would win if these guys fought? Stop it. Everybody just stopped it.

You should definitely send in more. Name the three people you like to have dinner with, living or dead.

We love this. By the way, Anthony, Pat Barry just texted me. I just looked at my phone quickly.

He says, I was just reading it.

I know our heads are loopy after years of this shit, but I swear I remember that story that Anthony Todd wrote.

Which one?

About when you first met Pat Barry.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he just texted me, too.

And, Harry, do you remember what you're supposed to say now?

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It's two demerits for that Flub Harrington.

I was going to say it wasn't the best delivery for it, but we'll allow it. I wasn't going to say anything, but Brian took to my rescue.

So today, our first question is from my favorite questioner to look at Deja.

Hey, guys.

All right, quick fire question.

Jean-louis Lee, Rose Namajunis and Yohana.

I don't know how to say her last name. Mary Falkill.

Mary Falkill.

I had a question about date ideas, something that's outdoors. I saw something for wine tasting and ATV driving, and I want to take myself out on a solo date because I ain't got nobody. I was wondering if you guys have ever just gone out on a solo adventure, what have you done? Or have you yet to do one, but you really want to? So let me know.

Well, I'll say this, Deja, if you leave your Instagram name on there, you're going to be inundated with a lot of offers from the belief.

I volunteer as tribute.

I think we can find I'm not asking someone to take you out, Deja. I'm just throwing it out there.

It's me.

I'm the guy that we define. Brian is like, No, we have the guy.

We have the guy. It's me. It's me.

It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me.

It's me. It's me. It's me. Brian is editing this out, so nobody gets to advance. So No dates. What do you like to do if you want to get out there? You want to disconnect from everything and just be by yourself? What do you like to do? And I'm trying to think of something.

Well, when I'm here in Colorado, I spend a lot of time by myself. So sometimes I'll get bored and just drive up to the mountains and just walk around. I'm not a big hiker or trail person, but I'm just going out and checking out some super cool stuff. Nature is fun. There's this new thing we've been doing, me and Mikaela, and it would probably be fun to by yourself. It's actually been a cool mingling thing. It's called Farm to Table. There's some of these a lot of pumpkin patches. They're attached to a family and they have all this land. Well, if they're not growing pumpkin for the fall season, they got to find ways to make money. So they do this farm to table thing where everything that's at the meal, they sell these tickets. They'll sell 30 tickets or something. Everything that is at the meal is something that's farmed, grown, harvested from that farm. And then they sell these tickets. They're expensive, but I'm not saying they're thousands of dollars a piece, but I mean, one ticket might be 200 bucks. Everything is from that family farm, and you learn about it, you're going on a little ride around the farm, check it out, eat some amazing food.

But I have seen single people there, too. They just checked it out on their own, but it's something me and Mikaela do as often as we can.

No, that sounds lovely, actually. I'm going to check that out because that's right on the back of the street. And thank you, Deja, for the question. I was trying to think about myself. I'm I'm so busy. I don't really get much time to myself, but I do enjoy being alone. You know what I mean? Rebecca or Ellie, my daughter, will often say, Oh, look at that person in the restaurant by themselves. I feel sorry for them. I'm like, Don't. They're having a great time. You know what I mean? Unless they're not, unless they're sad and lonely and depressed, and they just cry themselves to sleep wanting a wife every night. But we don't think you're having that problem, Deja. For me, one thing that I do solo a lot And I just started doing it again, running. I was doing the Peloton for a long time. I've got back into the running. The weather's nice again. I love to just get outside and go for a run. But I'm going down to Colombia soon. I'm going down to Bio Accelerated to get some stem cells, and I'm going to be there for about eight days.

And I'm looking forward to just disconnecting from everything. Obviously, I've got some medical stuff to do, but I'm going to take some personal time to just float around Columbia and just be be by myself and just enjoy.

I was supposed to go there with Wideman, and it was- Oh, really? Yeah, it just didn't work. I mean, you get it. It's hard to disappear and just take some personal time for eight days. It sounds like it should be easy, but it's really not. But I was looking forward to the same thing, just being there and really having nothing to do other than the medical procedures. But other than that, you have nothing to do. You can just check out a new place and not like you have a call time or you got more research or whatever.

I love exploring new places. And again, this sounds like a prick when I say, but this is why I'm bringing it up, because I'm a family man. I've got three children and a wife, so I don't go on vacations by myself. But I'm lucky enough to have done some acting projects that have taken me all over the world. You know what I mean? When I was in South Africa or when I was in Thailand, I've been to Thailand a bunch of times doing different projects. I love that because then I just go wander around like a tourist by myself. When When I was in South Africa, went up table mountain and just exploring places by myself. And I enjoy that. It's very peaceful. And I think there's a strength. And I think you need to have your own company. Sometimes you need to be Go along with your own thoughts. There's always so many outside distractions and people going on and people calling you for work and Instagram and social media and emails and bullshit and children. Sometimes it's nice to just disconnect and be yourself and just be at one with nature.

Totally agree. I hope she does that. Deja. I hope you do not.

And if you want some company- Brian's number, you let us know.

We've emailed. She has my number. Everybody has my number who I email. Yeah, whatever. You can call me whenever.

Five, five, five.

Yeah, right. So our next question is for Marco, who's a culprit often of just sending in an email to talk to us. But here is actually a good question.

What's up, Biv, I am crew. Beautiful day at Miami, Florida. Miami Ultra is over. All delinquents are now going to leave. We're going to have a normal city in our traffic again. I wanted to ask you something today, guys. Bisping, you are retired already, but let's say, Anthony, when you retire, since you want to stay with the company and Dana is looking out for the fighters and all that. If not doing commentating and then interviews with the fighters, what is the next second best job in the UFC PI or for the UFC which would you be interested in? If not commentating what you do now, so when you finish fighting, if not commentating, what is the second, the most interesting or the best paid job you would be interested in working with with the UFC? There we go. You never talk about that. I would like to hear what else a retired athlete can work with the UFC or whatever. You know what the fuck I want to mean. Yeah, we do. We do kill this guy now. We do. Well, there's a number of career opportunities. Anthony has been doing it. You could become a catcher at Slap.

Hell, yeah.

April 12th, bro. Let's go.

You got to be I want to go, yeah.

I work on the 13th.

Me and you both, brother. I've got a busy week. I'm triple-dip in that week. I'm doing TNT Sports, I'm doing ESPN, and I'm commentating Slap. It's going to be a busy week. I will have a voice. Chris Leban, you see him often, ringside now, judging fights. Mark Godard used to be a fighter. He was a good friend of mine. I knew him from the UK scenes, refereeing, judging, catching. What else?

I want Forrest Griffin's job.

What does he do?

He's doing athlete development and overseeing the PI and the programs that go on there. Just seems like it'd be funny. Hangs out in the PI all day, gets to train during the day. Yeah. I'm sure he's got a tough job. I'm sure what he does because he travels a lot, too. He's helping open the PI that's in Shanghai and then the one that's Mexico. So he does a lot, but I feel like that'd be super fulfilling to help grow the sport on the backside.

Yeah. Anytime I go to the PI, Forest is always the guy I text. He's a cool in the swing by or whatever? Because he's one of the higher ups over there, if you will. Forest is a great guy, by the way. Shouts out to him. For me, what I really want to do, and I'm looking forward to this because I'm just so busy with everything right now, I'm looking forward to when it all settles down a little bit, training fighters and trying to mentor the next generation of young, getting a small little gym, nothing fancy. When I moved to wherever it is, North Carolina, wherever the blood is, Costa Rica, there was another one. The other day, I was looking up a property to buy in Tuscany, North Italy, near the Austrian and Swiss border. I found a house, wasn't that much money. Oh, my God, you want to see it? Sixty acres of land A beautiful land. A beautiful land. It currently has vineyards creating 40,000 bottles of wine per year, but has the potential to do 90,000 bottles of wine per year. How much was this, Chris? Olive Groves, where you can create over a thousand kilos of olive oil per year.

I don't even know what an olive grove is.

It's where olive trees grow, and they turn the olives into olive oil.

How much is this place?

It was about 800,000.

Really?

Yeah. It had-We can get out of here. It had buildings, it had stables, it had a swimming pool, it had about 20,000 37 bedrooms, and this was in Tuscany, Italy, and it was beautiful. Now, granted, the only issue is we've got to go and live in Italy. I said to babe, I was on the...

Babe, I said to-Your wife doesn't leave the house anyways.

I was on the toilet dropping the kids off at the pool, right? And I don't know why I started looking up the houses in Tuscany. I must have seen something on Instagram or something. So I started googling it. I was like, Oh, my God. I said, Babe, never mind, North Carolina. We're going here. She goes, Michael, but our kids will live in America. I'm like, Fuck the kids. Forget the kids. I want to live near the Swiss and Austrian border and grow my. You know what I mean? That sounds amazing.

Who doesn't want to do that? Oh, my gosh. This is amazing.

The mountain, the mountain hour.

Just bring your kids with you. There's 27 bedrooms. They could be as far away from me as possible.

Deja can come. Anthony can come.

Harrington can. We could all live there. We're all going to live there.

The amount of subscribers we have, all the subscribers can come and live with us as well because you're going to subscribe and hit that ring bell.

This just made me think while you were talking about that, I saw over the weekend there is a town in Switzerland, in the Swiss Alps itself on the Italian border, that is going to pay people up to $40,000 to move with them and up to two children. They'll give you $20,000 for the couple to move, $10,000 for each kid you bring. You get $40,000 spending it on you.

That sounds like a great deal, and I've got three kids, so basically, I got to leave one behind. Tough call, but I'll do it. Should we leave the show there? Because I'm sure you've got a training session to get to. I'm I would love to do more questions, but you've got a training session, Anthony. We've got to be-Are you going to blame it on me? No, I'm being respectful.

All right. Yeah, I do got to get-No, not exactly.

I could shoot the ship for another half an hour, but I know you probably got to get out of it. I know, that's the problem. Big thanks to Rose.

This was good. This was fun. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

It's always good. It's always good when you're on. We always have a good conversation. Thursday is going to be hard. There'll be me and Harrington and some guests that I'm trying to rope in.

You want me to talk to Brandon, Roy Bell, for you, see if we can get him on?

Oh, please do. I'd love to speak with Brandon. All jokes aside. Thank you all for watching. Thank you for supporting the show. Thank you, Anthony, for being here. Enjoy the rest of your week. We'll see you soon.