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I'm all right, Mike. I'm all right. It's a little bit slow around here. There's not a lot going on, so I feel like a little bit bored. I don't have anything really going on.

Well, you can't be as bored as I was Saturday trying to fish.

Oh, yeah. How did the fishing go?

Did even get a bite.

So no catching.

No catching, nothing. If we were depending on that for a meal, we'd be dead by now.

You'd be hungry.

We have died of starvation. It's funny. We were both just sitting there a second ago saying how tired we were and how bored we were. But look at this. We turn on the energy straight away. Professionals.

Professionals. Well, I think I'm just excited to have something to do right now. Let's go do this podcast.

I know. Because it's a bit of a slow time in mixed martial arts at the minute because we've got a pay-per-view around the corner. I'm very excited about that. And then we got lots of big events coming up. But right now, not too much popping off. We got FICE this weekend, though. Moikana, Judo. But what's the main event? Dalize.

Dalize and...

God damn it. Oh, God. Oh, no. Not Kanan here.Oh, God. Harrington, jump in with your mind.

Imovov. Imovov. Yes.

Imovob. Well, Harrington, you can Imovov off. Speaking of the next pay-per-view, did you see Alexander Volkanovski with Tom braided?

Yeah, Tom. Tb12.

Playing catch. That was awesome. Let's have a look at the video. We got the USD champion of the world.

See, there's part of me that says, Man, I can't make it that easy because they're going to go back and they're like, Oh, that was easy.

I caught it fast. Sometimes I like to make it a little harder. But not for him because I love him.

All right, bro. Come on, you got to go right down the middle.

I love it. That's awesome. Where was that? Do you know?

I have no idea. I did see it, but it seemed like there was a bunch of super important people in that room. So I don't know if it's like a fancy ass. I don't know if it's something to me. Tom had one of those little microphones. I may be given a talk to I don't know, high performers, high earners.

It's pretty awesome, though, isn't it? To see somebody like Volkanovski up there mixing it up, playing ball, whatever you want to call it with Tom braided, one of the biggest athletes that we've ever seen. It shows how far the sport of mixed martial arts has come. Not surprisingly, he caught that, though. He used to be a professional rugby player before he was a fighter. I would like to see him give it one back. Could you have caught that catch, Anthony?

Absolutely. I could have caught that. 100 %? 100 %, I catch that pass. I don't know. I'd probably be nervous, though. So catching a pass from Tom braided is a big deal.

I don't know if I could have done with the depth perception catching balls. Oh, yeah. It's not easy. I'll be honest, even with two eyes, it probably would have still hit me straight in the face. You know what I mean? Because I was never the best at stuff But fair play, Volkanovski. Yeah, that's super cool. You have to see 298 just around the corner, though, man. When you look at that car, because we haven't spoke about that at all. Volkanovski, Teporia, Robert Whittaker, Paolo Costa. What else is on there. It's a sick... Henry Sehuda, Marabda Valesvili.

I can't wait for that. That's a decent card. It's getting overlooked because of the Duplaisey-Strickland fight, and then 299 and 300 have been taking all the shine. So it is getting overlooked a little bit. It's a decent card, though.

Jeff, Neil, Ian, Machado, Gary. There's some heat there. He's got to back up those words. He's got to back up those words. Paulo Costa, Robert Whittaker. We've I don't think we've spoken about that one time at all.

I try not to.

Why?

Because who knows if it's going to happen? It's like the third or fourth time it's been booked. And stylistically, it's an amazing fight. It's a lot of fun, and there's a lot of questions there, but it's the third time I've gotten excited about it and not happened. So it's like one of those ones that's eluded us, and I just don't... I don't know. Sometimes it's like you got to just wait until they're walking to get pumped about it.

Costa is a bit of a weird one as well, isn't it? Don't get me wrong, I love watching him fight. I think he's very, very entertaining. That fight he had with Luke Rockhold, entertaining. Marvin Vittori, even though he came in heavy and had no respect for the weight class, whatever, still a brilliant fight. You know what I How do you see that one real quick? Because obviously, Whittaker's in a tough place coming back from the loss to Duplece. Whittaker was always renowned as the next best middleweight after Israel Adesanya. But against Palo Costa, I think that's a tough match for both men.

Yeah, I do. I think it's a really tough fight for both guys. Costa, Palo is always going to do well against people that are going to stand in the pocket with him and brawl and bang it out. Guys, listen, I know that everyone's He's going to get mad at me when I say this, but Paulo has always been regarded as this crazy heavy hitter, knockout artist. He hasn't knocked out anybody in a while. So is he- They're coming for you already. Well, is he explosive and aggressive, and he does land a lot of big shots? Absolutely. But think of the last person he flatlined. I couldn't even tell you off the top of my head. He was in there with Luke. He had Luke Rockhold hurt a couple of times, and it wasn't able to put him out. He's going to be hard to take down. I think his jiu-jitsu was underrated. But defensively, he doesn't move his head a whole lot. He takes a lot of late kicks. I think his aggressiveness and his forward pressure is going to be what wins him the fight if he wins over Robert Whittaker. If Whittaker can stay on the outside and pick him apart and just stick and move and stay safe, I think that he can win.

Paulo Costa is only 32 years old. I'm just looking at his record. To answer your question, decision win to Rockhold, a loss to Marvin, an Adesanya where he was finished, a decision win over Joel Romero. That was a very, very end-signing fight, by the way.

Nobody knocks out Joel.

It ain't easy. And then a TK over Uriah Hall, a TK over Johnny Hendrix, Ola Wale, Bam Goja, and Gareth McLennan. So that's been his UFC run. He hasn't been very active since 2017, two, four, eight fights in eight years.

Right. And then on that little run he was at the one with Johnny Hendrix. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he doesn't have power. I'm saying he's not flatlining people where they're nervous about it. You know what I mean? The Johnny Walker thing was... Or not Johnny Walker, Johnny Hendrix was an overwhelming... It was a TKL, but he's not scaring people off as much as I think we- And let's be honest.

If I remember rightly, that wasn't Big Rig Championship, pre-used Sada, Johnny Walker.

This was post-Sada.

Looking like a used teabag, Johnny Walker. You know what I mean? I don't know what was more impressive, the downfall of Veto Belfort or Johnny Hendrix. When you Sada came in, my word, my word, what a change. I mean, Johnny Hendrix was knocking everybody out. One shot power. Some amazing fights with Robbie Lawler as well. George St. Pierre as well.

Yeah, a really good fight with you. You remember when he knocked knocked out John Fitch. For people that don't know, the canvas is very, very rough. It's like mild-grained sandpaper. You see people's feet, our feet get torn up all the time. People are getting the whole skin ripped off the bottom. It's very rough. He hit John Fitch and knocked him out, and John Fitch slid like eight inches. I was going to say- once he hit the mat. He did. That's so impressive.

He slid across the canvas. You got to be hitting someone bloody hard to knock them out and to make them slide across the canvas. Another fight that's on that one as well, Marad DeValishvili-Hemri Sahudo. Interesting fight, very, very important for that Bantamweight division. Did you see the video that Marabd put out this week? Brian, please play that for the believers. That was brilliant. Marab is a funny little bastard, man. And that was the best way of talking shit without actually talking shit. Look at this cheeky little bastard. I'm back with breaking news, everybody. So we know the champ, Sean O'Malley, call out number 6 guy, Chito, to avenge his loss. Of course, Chito Vera will beat Skinny guy again, and he will become UFC new champ. Already, Chito Vera called out number 4, Cory Sanhagan to avenge his loss. I want to kick out Cory Sanhagan. Of course, Cory will beat Chito again, and he will become UFC new champ. And Cory will call out number 5, Peter, to get his loss back. Peter will win against Cory again. And Peter And we'll call number 2, this handsome guy. And of course, this handsome guy will beat Peter again.

He said, Tito will be this skinny guy.

I like his logic apart from, I don't know if Pyodian is going to beat Cory Sandegen again.

No, no, probably not. That's the one that really throws you off. That's That's the one I'm not so sure about. And I don't know that Peter Jan calls out Marab. Even if Marab beats you, you probably don't want to do it again.

Nobody's calling out Marab.

No. I'm trying to think of someone that In another division that is comparable, I don't know, maybe a Damian Maya or Ben Ashton. We're like, They're not going to hurt you. They're not scary. You're not going to leave there injured, probably. But it's such It's a frustrating way to fight. You can't get them off you. They're really good at what they do. You can't deviate them from their game plan. It's an impossible style to deal with. It's exhausting. So even if you win the fight portion of it, they may still win the competition.

Yeah, and he just never gets tired as well. Mariah just keeps coming forward, never gets tired. Ridiculous wrestling, strong as an ox, not a bad little strike and far from it. Out of all those matchups, though, I mean, yeah, okay, I see the argument for why Chito... I see why he thinks he beats O'Malley because he has done once already, even though that's not guaranteed. Sandegen beating Vera, not guaranteed. But again, you see the logic. You can go through with all of them, but I don't see that last one. I do not see Pyori Yahn beating Cory Sandegen. If anyone's going to stick hold or grab hold or maintain, is the word I'm looking for, that belt and go on a run out of all of them, and this is no disrespect to any of them, Cory Sandegen is the complete out of all of them with the toll, with the range, with just the skillset that he's got and the mind that he has for mixed martial arts. Again, no disrespect to the champ, to the contender, Sean O'Malley, but Cory Sandegen looks like he's going to be a problem for a long time.

Like you said, he's the most well-rounded one. You can look at all those guys and formulate a way to beat them and get them out of their game fairly easily. Not that you can beat them easily, but you can pinpoint that path that you would probably go. If you're fighting O'Malley, if you're a powerful wrestler and you can get takedowns, you can probably beat O'Malley. If you can defend the takedowns, keep Marab off of you, you can probably beat Marab. If you can take down Chido, we've seen it happen. As much as we don't like it, we've seen people been able to control him. I don't really see that with Cory Sandhagen. If you take him down, he's dangerous off his back. He's hard to take down. He sweeps well, he gets up well. You definitely don't want to be stuck on your feet with that dude for too long. So I definitely agree with you.

Are you working that event?

No, I actually have That one-off.

God damn. I'm going to be there. It's Anaheim. It's my back garden. I'm commentating the event. I was hoping you'd do the desk. Maybe we'll grab a little steak or something afterwards. A civilized gentleman.

Steak and a mule.

And a Moscow mule through a straw. Oh, my God. Right on cue. No way. Is that a Moscow mule?

With a straw.

With the straw. I'll let it go because that's your vibe. That's your thing. That's my thing. This is me. Little early in the day, Mr. Smith.

No, you're in a different time zone, remember?

Oh, yeah. It's three o'clock.

Yeah, exactly. 3:24.

Jesus Christ. Let's go mental. Oh, dear. That's the next paper The last pay-per-view, as we know, was... No, that was weird. Sean Strickland, Drickies DuPlecey. A lot of fallout. John Anick was annoyed with the fan base, and he came out, he apologized. We talked about it on the last one Kenny Florence, so I'm not going to get into that one too much. But Drickies DuPlecey came out and said, I don't know if you saw this, that Sean said to him or he admitted that he felt like Driguis DuPlece won the fight. Harrington, have you got the exact quote or do we have a video that we can play just to give some context as a conversation point, because I've got some opinions on this.

I don't have the video. I have the quote, though. I said, He came in the cage directly before they announced me as the new champion. I went to him, I shook his I said, You're a warrior. Well done. That was a great fight. And he said, No, you definitely beat me. He said to me, You deserve it. You won that fight. You beat me. And I said, I also think so. I have to agree with you on that. After I won the fight, you could see in his face, he knew. When the ref held our hands, he knew he wasn't winning that fight.

What's your initial thoughts, Anthony, on that?

I think when you get into a fight that close, I don't think you always know. I think sometimes, especially depending I don't know how the end of the fight went or the last couple of rounds, sometimes you wait. I've been in fights where I felt like, Man, I definitely lost that round. And then I go back and watch it, and it was a dominant win. It wasn't even close. So when I was in that fight with Ryan Span, going into the third round, I remember looking at Mark and being like, I know, I know, I know. I need a finish. And he was like, Finish? You don't need to finish. You need to win this round. That's it. You win the round, you win. And I was like, really? In my head, I had lost the first two rounds. Obviously, I lost the second, but the first in my head, for some reason, I thought I lost it. So I wonder if maybe that was something going on in Sean's head. And then when he went back, digested it, watched it a little bit and said, no, I won that fight.

Yeah. I mean, we're not Sean Strickland, so we don't know what he's thinking. I haven't had a conversation with the guy. At times like that, that's when you're at your most honest regarding the performance, because in yourself, you feel that maybe he lost the fight. And that's probably because he wasn't as effective or as successful as he wanted to be. Going into it, you're full of confidence. You think, Here's what I'm going to do. Here's how the fight is going to play out. And it ended up a lot closer. So in your mind, you might be thinking all gloom and gloom, or you might be on the other side, I think, Shit, I've got this. But he said that to Dreykis, and then obviously he's watched the fight back because he came out and he said that he disagrees with it, shall we say. But I don't think you can put too much stock into that, into what Drikis is saying. Yes, he said that, and that was very honest of Sean. I had the same thing when I fought Chael Sonnen in Chicago. I lost a fight by a decision. I'm very close one.

But before they read out the announcement, I went over to Chael and said, What do you think? And he said, And I always respect to Chael for this. He said, I think you got it. I think you got it. Two rounds to one. I didn't go out there. I'm not talking shit about Drickies, by the way. I think he's great. I didn't go out there and do lots of interviews and say, Chael's fucking even said he thinks that I won. It's one of those fights. It could have gone either way. But if I'm Drickies, I'm doing the same thing though, because Sean came out, talked a bit of shit, said it was a headbutt and all the rest. Me and Chael, I don't think we ever spoke to each other again for years. It wasn't pre-social media, but it wasn't as big as what it is now. You know what I'm saying? The sport wasn't as big. We weren't doing podcast and interviews every five fucking minutes. You know what I mean? So it just wasn't spoke But I guess if Chael went out there and started talking shit, I'd be like, Whoa, hold on a minute, buddy.

You told me to my face.

The fact that you and Chael have never had any real serious beef is shocking to me. It is. It's so shocking. Not only did you fight, and both of you guys had no problem being all up in someone's face when you fought, but it was short notice. You didn't have the chance. There was no controversy afterwards. You've been Really, you guys have always been respectful of each other, but you could not be two totally different people. Oh, God.

I know.

It's so crazy how polar opposites of humans you are.

It's insane. No, you're right, because Chael is not afraid to speak his mind, and I'm not. So typically people like that clash in society. That's just the way it goes. Often, I'm not saying Chael's like me because he's not at all. But often two people that are like that, they clash regardless. Whenever I see Chael, because you see him in the UFC, brilliant on the microphone. He was phenomenal. Phenomenal on the mic, a fantastic fighter as well. But in this day-to-day life, the version of Chael Sonnen that I see, you see him with the glasses on, and he's quiet.

He's in the tip of his nose. Yeah, looking like a grandad. He can barely look at... He's trying to figure out how far to put the phone from his face. He's so quiet and sweet.

He doesn't say a word. He doesn't say a word, he doesn't say a boot of a goose. And then they say, actually, he goes, I'll tell you what it is. And it comes out of his shell and gets all animated. So yeah, no, it's weird. People always said they thought we would have this big war of words, but it was too short. It was too late notice for that to even happen. And then I didn't see him again for ages. I remember the first time when I went into... Because we fought at the United Center with the Chicago Bulls player. And I got flew up there to do a pre-fight press conference, and I went into the dressing room for the basketball team to wait for my time to go out. And when I walked in, there's Chael, and I never met him before. And he was so nice. He was sitting in the corner of the room, just reading a newspaper or something. And he came over, and I'm a buddy, Jacko, with me. We were hung over to the max. We'd flown up to Chicago I'm not going for a press conference. Yeah, right.

We were on the piss. We walked in, still stinking of alcohol. Chael gets up, and he was just so nice and so respectful and just talking about the weather and stuff like that. I'm like, How can you talk? Oh, no, no. What am I saying? No, no, no. He was fighting, I think, Mark Munos originally. I had a different opponent, but still.

But you both were on the same card.

We were on the same card. Yeah, that's right. That's when we first met. And he was just so nice. He was so polite. So when the fight was announced, I was like, How do we talk shit? He just seems like somebody's dad.

I always say everyone calls him Uncle Chael. He has his old grandpa Chael.

Yeah. Grandpa Chael. Shout out Chael. Hope you're well, buddy. And you know, by the way, Chael Sonnen just came out. I don't know if you saw there was some Some sparring footage of Conor McGregor. Did you see that, Anthony?

No, I didn't.

Yes, some sparring footage of Conor. And Conor looked all right. You know what I mean? It didn't look like the best thing you've ever seen. He didn't look bad. It just looked like two guys having a little sparring session. You know what I mean? And he looked all right just in the gym having to move around, something like that. Oh, here we are here. There's Conor with the tricolor guard on, the headgear on. That looks like Conor McGregor, right? The way he's winging his punches. Is that on That's not on the yacht. But Chael Sonnen came out and he did a video, and maybe Harrington will have the exact quote. He says that that's not Conor McGregor. He says that he's too covered up. It's not Conor McGregor. He doesn't move like Conor McGregor. So Chael is basically accusing Conor of putting out deep fake AI sparring footage to cond the world that is in training.

That's the most Chael's son and shit in the world. That looks just like Conor.

It's not even Connor. That's because it is Conor. That's because it's Conor.

That could be why.

Yeah, I don't know why Chael is saying this. He is out of his mind.

Sometimes Chael comes up with shit that you know he doesn't believe, but he just has to go with it. He's just trying to get the clicks. Yeah, and it works, I'm sure.

Well, we're talking about it. I know. Speaking of Connor, Michael Chandler was talking about their fight, and I forget what he was saying. He was talking about him not training or whatever. And he said, Oh, he's just always on his yacht where I'm living in the gym. And comes back, Jim has yacht. No, no, no. Yacht has gym.

Yeah, so get off the yacht, kid. Yacht has Jim.

Brian, do we have the exact quote from Michael Chandler? Because to be fair, that was a great comeback from McGregor. What does Chandler say? He says, I get it. He's coming off an injury. So that said, Now that Nautorius is healthy, the question is, why wouldn't it be UFC 300? It's been two and a half years. Get off the yacht, kid. And then McGregor comes back with wherever it is. Yacht has Jim. There it is. Yacht has Jim. He's a funny little bastard at times. You got to give it to him.

And it's quick. I like those quick, short little jabs.

Straight to the point. Yeah. A to B, like a hard, fast job. All right, this episode is sponsored by Bioptimizers. Look, listen, you don't know this, but you are not getting enough magnesium in your body because four out of five Americans, they just aren't. And that's a big problem because magnesium is involved in more than 300 biochemical reactions inside your body. So today, I want to talk to you about the most common science to look out for that could indicate that you are magnesium deficient. Listen carefully at the end because there is a special offer happening, and this could be exactly Exactly what you need. Here we go. Are you irritable or anxious? Do you struggle with insomnia? Do you experience muscle cramps or twitches? Do you have high blood pressure? And are you sometimes constipated? There are dozens of symptoms of magnesium deficiency. So these are just a few of the most common ones. Now, here's what most people don't know. Taking just any magnesium supplement doesn't solve the problem because most supplements use the cheapest kind that your body can't use or can't absorb. So that is why I exclusively recommend Magnesium Breakthrough.

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Absolutely.

Are you serious? Yeah. Would you do base jumping?

100 %.

Really? Why?

I don't know. There's a couple of real crazy things I want to do. Some of them are not so crazy, but- Skydive is one of them you've said. I want to skydive without a parachute.

Without a parachute? Okay.

Yeah, without a parachute. I think Travis Pashrana did it way back in the day.

It was a Red Bull commercial.

Yeah, where he just has a harness and then a professional skydiver skydives to you in the air and then hooks to you. You'd really have to trust somebody.

That could be labeled as assisted suicide. It could I'm throwing that out. I think base jumping would be sweet.

I don't know. I just want to do some crazy shit. I want to scuba dive, too, which is not... I'm getting ready to take some scuba diving classes. So there's that.

Just don't scuba dive with your child when he's 10 years old and won't listen to the instructions at all. What is this? What are we looking at here?

Oh, this is the Red Bull commercial. Look at him. He's not wearing anything, though. I think he puts the harness on in there.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Insane.

That guy's got some real balls. No man alive.

He's crazy.

To jump out of an airplane with no parachute.

That's insane. Look at that shit.

I mean, okay, because he's with a lot of professionals, so he knows they're going to come and grab hold of him. Could you imagine that thrilled, that rush, which is, I'm assuming, why you want to do things like base jumping? Right.

Yeah, the rush. Did you go scuba diving with a 10-year-old that doesn't listen?

I went scuba diving with Lucas in Mexico. They don't follow the fucking rules. Steve and Tiny, the British security guys for the UFC. Tiny used to be a scuba dive instructor, and he told me that Lucas, when he was scuba diving, should not I've been out of those depths until you've had X amount hours of training. It's a long story. I told it all on the podcast when I first did it. It's a long story, but I was freaking the hell out. I almost had a fight with the guys. And I looked around and Lucas just jumped in. So I'm like, Shit, so I'm jumping after him and I get him, and I go, Up, up, up. So we go back up the rope, and he's like, What are you doing? I'm like, Son, we need to go through the safety protocol. This means good, that means bad. And he's like, Yeah, I get it, dad. And then the Mexican dude is like, You got to go, you got to go. There's people waiting. Lucas was looking at me almost in tears as if to say, I'm very excited to do this, dad. Please don't take this away.

Because the scuba diver guy is like, You're going now or are you getting out? So we go down to the bottom of the ocean, and everyone else is like, there's a little trickle of bubbles coming out of their mouth. Mine is like, there's a volcano going off because I'm freaking out like crazy. The guy's like, Are you okay? I'm like, I'm fine, but it's just my son. Every time I look round, it's like 50 yards away. I was like, Just stay with me. Stay with me. It was terrifying, right? Oh, yeah. Don't do it with your kid.

No, not at all.

Base jumping. You know you could die? I've heard Yeah. Well, Hamilton has got a story for you.

Yes. There was a British base jumper. This is like his whole thing. 33 years old, has been doing it all over the world. This was off of a skyscraper in Thailand. He went for it, and it did not end well for him. You can see. Yeah, here we go. So 33-year-old jumps from a building, and the police said... Eyewitnesses said they saw something hit those trees right there. And then when they found the body, there was a blue parachute that had failed to open.

Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, that's a problem.

So when you hear stuff like that, would that put you off trying base jumping? Let's just say it was all lined up. I gave you a call. Hey, guys, we're going to get the jet. We're going to fly out to Thailand. We're going to jump off a skyscraper, and you just saw that video. Would you think, It's all right. You can get hit by a car crossing the road? Or would you No, let's do it. Let's go. Let's jump some base.

I've had some opportunities to do some of the things I really want to do. When it comes down to planning it, I have chosen not to a couple of times, partially because I have kids. It's not about me or my life. I'm not afraid of that. I can't leave my family until they're ready. Until my family is good on their own, then I'll do whatever the hell I want. But that's the one thing that gives me pause in a lot of the dumb shit that I want to do.

Yeah, no, you're right, because at some point it becomes very, very selfish. Very. Very selfish if you're going to jeopardize being the head of the family, being the breadwinner, the man that brings home the bacon, and you're going to potentially risk your own life for the thrill, And the thrill of jumping off a skyscraper, I'm sure it's great, but how good can it be? Is it worth risking your life? And me and Brian were talking about this before. Probably. I don't know. All it takes is one big gust of wind before you open your parachute, blow you into the side of the building.

Is it worth it for the amount of time that it's incredible? That's where I'm at. It's only a few seconds.

Squished on the floor like a pad Thai. Do you look some Thai food, though? No, I wouldn't do it. I bungey jumped, but that was lame.

Was it? Wasn't that great?

I shit my pants. I did it. I was very hung over as well. This is a long time ago. We'd had a heavy night with the boys, and I signed up for it for charity. And it was five in the morning. I'm like, Oh, shit. I'm bungey jumping off the top of a church in the morning. And everyone was like, What do you mean? And I couldn't pull out of it because I signed up to it through Red Rose Rock FM, the local radio station, thinking I'll get a free a bungee jump out of this. And I did get a free bunji jump, but I shit my pants.

But you know. Like, been there, done that.

Better ways to spend the Saturday morning when you're very, very hung over and green around the gills. That's for damn sure.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

All right. So anyway, the rules of a downed opponent have changed once again.

I think we finally got it right.

I think we got it right. So as you may or may not know, it used to be if you were on your hands, that was a downed opponent. Then it became if it was weight-bearing. Then it became if you lift the guy up and hoist his hand off the ground temporarily, then you could name in the head. I think we were talking about this last week, weren't we?

We were.

Was it us? Yeah. So the California State Athletic Commission have ruled now that, never mind any of this weight-bearing nonsense, if any part of your body, other than your feet or your hands, is touching the ground, a knee, a shin, a shoulder, your belly, whatever it is, if anything else is touching the ground, that is a downed opponent, and you cannot knee them. If it's just your hands or your feet, you can still knee them in the head, right?

Yeah. I think you can knee and kick to the head, which I think is perfect unless you get caught in the push-up position. I don't know for some reason. I don't know why you would be in a fight.

A millimeter off the ground.

Yeah, then that would suck. But I think that's right. I think we finally got it right. I don't like the game of trying to put the hand in the... People are playing the and getting away with stuff. I like it.

I like it a lot. Yeah. No, I think it's a very, very important rule change. Yes, Brian.

So that's the California State Athletic Commission. Is that reciprocal around the country?

Most states will adopt the rules of California. Not all. Every once in a while, we'll go to a state that doesn't... Like Texas does their own thing. They don't like following anyone else's rules, so they're a little bit archaic in that aspect.

They do whatever they want. They're putting raise a wire at the border, and they say, what's the government?

No, they are freaking crazy. So there's a few states that don't immediately adopt it. But for the most part, every state will adopt that. Not every, but most of them will.

No, it is good. It is good Because he just gets rid of any mistakes, as we said. I apologize if we're repeating an older conversation. There's still a few others. Is there any other rules that you'd like to see implemented? Rogan is a big proponent of this one, and I agreed the 12 to 6 elbows.

I think that's That's part of this, too. Oh, is it really? I think they're adding that. I think those are the two rule changes they're proposing, is the down the opponent rules and abolishing the 12 to 6 elbow. So that's obviously one for me.

Other than that, there's nothing that really stands out too much, but they're the two big glaring ones. I think it was Rogan that said, Apparently, when they were writing the rule box, they saw a martial artist smashing a piece of ice with a 12 to 6 elbow, and they were like, Oh, no way. Can't do that. That's way too dangerous. You know what I mean? You can generate way more power with a standing elbow, rotating your hips into it, using your body weight and all the rest of it. So that's good. Will Jon Jones have that disqualification overturned?

Unlikely, because you're still stuck there. No, I don't. Actually, with the rule change to the downed opponent, it would have made the knee that he hit me with not illegal anymore.

Oh.

Well, I was on my knee.

I was going to say you were on your knees.

I was on my knees and my hands. As he threw the knee, I started to come up. So my hands were still down and my knee had just come off the canvas. So technically, when it landed, when he threw it, I was down. When it landed with the new rule change, I wouldn't have been a down opponent anymore.

Okay. So what are we saying? He still I didn't know where to go with that, man. So what are we saying? Oh, dear. Harrington, give us a mixed martial arts story and how the hell are you, brother.

I am doing excellent. As far as news in the mixed martial arts world. How about this one? I saw this one this morning. Alex Pereira. He put out some footage of him. He's with a striking coach. He's training. Interestingly, though, when he reposted to his story, he posted his own weight, 91 kilograms, which for us, American people, is about 200 pounds. That's a weird weight for the 205 pound champion of the world to be walking around at. And it's led people to question, is he preparing for a cut down to 185?

Well, it's a very surprising weight as well.

Did you see him on a scale?

No, but he did look... I mean, Brian, if you can pull up the video, he does look pretty damn slim in in the video that he posted here.

Basically, what you're saying is that you think that he's working his way down to 185 pounds, probably to fight Drickies DuPlece in the main event of UFC 300. Is that where you're going with that, Harrington?

I mean, that's champion versus champion. Could you think of a more wow factor fight?

Yeah, I could think of a lot of them.

No, that's a great fight, but I just don't think he's 200 pounds.

I just seen him last weekend. Yeah.

That's why I said that's surprising.

Yeah, he's not 200 pounds.

Where did you see him the weekend?

Toronto.

Oh, you mean for the fight? Yeah. Last weekend. Yeah. No, 200 pounds? I mean, that's crazy because I used to diet that- When he was fighting 85, he wasn't under 200 pounds. When I was fighting 85, if I dieted down to 200 pounds, fight weak. I knew it was good. You're struggling.

No, no, no.

That was my goal. That was my goal to get to 200 pounds. So he's right there. He's on weight. He can make weight by Friday. If he's 200 pounds today, he can make 185 by Friday. No problem whatsoever. So I also have a hard time because he's a gigantic human being. He is.

I bet he's not 200 pounds until Wednesday of fight week when he is cutting to 85. Like Wednesday or Thursday, I bet. Yeah. Even when I was fighting at 85, I wasn't under 200 until Wednesday or Thursday.

So are we officially saying that Harrington is full of shit and Lydie is down the garden past that we should not be walking down?

It would be cool, though. That would be a little... That'd be some shock and awe. That'd be a big surprise.

That's for sure. I'll give you some shock and awe. Okay. You ever wear an earring?

I used to, yeah, when I was younger.

I knew you would. Other than waking up, really hung over in my bed when I was about 16 and going, Hold on, did I get my ears pierced last night? I'm feeling, and I'm like, and I did. My girlfriend at the time pierced my ears with her earring in a phone booth and put an earring in. I woke up in bed with a earring in. I'm like, Oh, shit. And I wouldn't go downstairs. It took me forever trying to figure out how to take the bastard out. Can a man that wears an earring be one of the greatest boxers on planet Earth? Do you know where I'm going with this? I don't. No. Let me give you a clue. Okay. No man alive can beat I will not lose a fight to a man that wears an E-ring. Brian, just Google Tyson Fury earring Alexander Usik. They had a face-to-face. They had a sit-down. Alexander Usik is a great fighter. Find the video, Brian. There's a good video on it. Obviously, they're fighting in Saudi Arabia in just a few weeks. Same night as UFC 298, actually, which is a bit of a shame because I wanted to watch it.

Tyson Fury is saying, Because Alexander Ousik wears an earring, he's got no chance of beating him.

He comes up with some of those ridiculous shit. My mom got my ear pierced when I was a little kid. I didn't really have a voice. I was super fly, though. I was picking up all the chips on the playground.

At what age did you stop wearing the earring?

Eight or nine.

All right, so as a grown man or as a young man?

Yeah, never as a grown man.

Callum had earings when he came back from college one day. Bearing in mind, he's at college in San Francisco, and he had two earings in, two studs.What.

Did you say?Yeah. What did you say?

No man alive should be walking into my house with two earings. Do you know what I mean? Brian, do we have that video, buddy? I know he can't beat me. A man who wears an earring in his ear can never beat Tyson Veery, ever. Not a chance. No one who wears earrings can beat me.

Listen, in Ukraine, it means he's a good fighting man for him.

But where I'm from, it means he's a of an earring him. That's a pretty good comeback from Ukraine, it's Ukrainian warrior, Kozak. Listen, in Ukraine, it means he's a good fighting man for him, but where I'm from, it means he's a part of an earring him.

That's a pretty good comeback from Way to just really, I don't know, someone makes fun. You ever flip someone some shit on something or about something and they hit you with something like, Oh, I got that from my mom that just passed away. Then you look like an asshole. That's what he did.

No, absolutely. It's a good way of doing it. Anyway, should we talk... Real quick, Usik Fury, do you have an opinion on that fight? Do you watch Usik? Do you know much about him?

If Usik can't beat him, no one right now can. No man alive. No man alive, not right now. I think he can beat him, though.

I think he does.

I think he can.

I think he does. And this is not because of Francis N'Garnu. I think when you look at Tyson Fury, who's incredible, he's big, he's fast, he's athletic. He didn't look good against Francis N'Garnu. But when you look at the other fights before that, he's looked incredible. But the question is, how good is some of the opposition? Because he was going around in a circle and fighting the same people. He beat Klitschko when Klitschko was at the end of his career. Was it Derek Chesore? He fought in three times. Deontay Wilder hasn't really panned out to be that good anyway. He hasn't fought- He's not a great boxer.

Here's how I look at it. I think that The Francis Ngana fight could really, really come back and bite Tyson Ferry in the ass. Not because of how he fought or how he looked. I'm not even looking at that part of it yet. But the time that he could have been preparing for Oosik, and then just fought Francis. You get where I'm going? He could have just been, I'm going to be in the gym, I'm going to be working, I'm going to be trying to get better, I'm going to get my weight down, I'm going to be getting good shape physically, I'm going to get strong and fit. And then And then I'll fight Francis, and then I'll take a little bit of a break, and then I'll continue the work that I was doing for Oosik. He didn't do that. He prepared for Francis and Ganu. So even if we're saying his preparation wasn't the best it could have been because physically, he did look soft and heavy and didn't look great, then now he's preparing for USSEC, but he started in a worse spot than he could have been. Had he just gotten in really good shape, fought Francis and then moved on, even if the fight went the exact same way, at least physically, he's in a better spot.

So now he just didn't... He started at a worse spot than he probably could have been.

Well, I don't think he really trained for Francis Nganu, even though he says that he did, because he looked bad. And I'm not taking away from Nganu, but when you look at Ousik, he's incredible, man. The speed of that guy, and he's not that Small because they had a face-off as well a couple of days ago or last week, whenever it was. I saw it this morning. And they're head-to-head. They're pushing heads like they do. And he's going, Sausage, sausage, this, sausage, that, and all the rest of it.

Why does he always call people Sausage?

He's always with the sausage. He loves a good sausage, does Tyson. But Usik, yeah, of course, he's not the same size as the smaller man, but he's not tiny. He's not a small guy.

He's not a little guy.

He's not a little guy, and he's phenomenal. I mean, he was an Olympic He's a Olympic gold medalist. I believe he was a world champion, a European champion. He's undefeated. The speed of the man, the head movement, the footwork, you put it all together. He's a real boxer. And generally, because he is the smaller guy in the heavyweight boxing division, he's The game plan is the same. Take away the height and the reach. When he fought Anthony Joshua, stay in the pocket, head movement, use those jabs, the right hands, the left hands, get on the inside, and nonstop pressure. And that's the way he always fights. I think it's a harder fight for Tyson than what it is.

Absolutely. I just think Tyson is going to have a tough time keeping him out of the pocket. I really do. And he's got good movement. If Tyson can't do it, nobody can. That's how I look at it.

Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting there saying that Tyson can't do it. I really, really enjoy Tyson Fuhre, and I find his story to be very inspirational. All jokes aside, and the No Man Alive, and his Crazy Dad, and all the rest of it. I think they're value for money, great entertainment, and certainly in the ring, they're brilliant. And Jon Furry, what a fucking legend.

I know. We could just get him matched up with Mike Tyson. Oh, God.

I would just get him on the podcast.

Yeah, we should get Jon Furry on the podcast.

Let's get Jon Furry on the podcast. No Man Alive. I'll just talk to him like this for three hours. Oh, dear.

Can we please do that?

I know. God, please. The mayor of Manchester. If anyone knows him, Big Tom.

Come on. You got the connection with the furies.

Big Tom is the man to make it happen. Speaking of Tom, he's called out the winner of Zalton Almeida and Curtis Blades. I love it. Logical.

Love that.

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That is 10% off your order when you go to hellotushy. Com and use the promo code believe. It's time to back your ass up with confidence. Here's something you might not love. Jamal Hill isn't happy. Harrington or Brian, be ready with the video or the quote or whatever it is. He's not happy and he's feeling disrespected disrespected because when he became champion of the world, he wasn't as high on the pound for pound list as he would have hoped. Do we have the exact quote? So here it is. Jamal says, When I win the title, I call Nothing, think of the last time somebody became a champion, and they were ranked outside of the top 10 pound-for-pound rankings. Go look at anybody else who's won a title, Sean or Mali. It doesn't matter who it is. They were in the top 10. I'm disrespected in every aspect. It's got me fucked up all over the place, but it is what it is. People look at it like I'm a knockout guy, but I'm a martial artist, and I'm a champion for a reason. Your thoughts, Anthony Smith?

Well, again, we all know my relationship with Jamal. I don't know exactly. He was in the pound-for-pound rankings. He's just not in the top 10. I believe that he had moved him into the pound-for-pound. I don't know if he still is because of the injury, but I do believe he was in it. It just wasn't in the top So the problem is, is he didn't have enough time to really spend it with the title. And I think it's less about the disrespect of Jamal, but more how people felt about Glover to Shera. Glover was 43, I think, when Jamal beat him. Now us in the sport, the guys, the you and me and everyone else, we know how dangerous Glover is and how good that guy is. But if you're just a media guy and you're doing all the voting on these pound for pound lists, that's a 43-year-old man that's at the end of his career. And it was on short notice. Neither guy had a whole... That's how they justify this stuff. It was on short notice. He fought the older man, and that's how they look at it. So I understand Jamal and why he's upset about that.

But also on the flip side of it, he had just won the title. He never had an opportunity to prove where I think he probably is on the pound-for-pound rankings. Where me and him think he is and where he was able to prove with actual data in the octagon are different. I know where he's at, but no one else does. So you got to put the work in. You got to fight the fight. You got to beat the people. And the injury just cut his title range short. And when he gets back and gets uninjured and healthy, and we'll see where he's at.

That's a really good point that you can't really I'm not going to argue with. As you were talking, I looked up the rankings here, and this is the pound-for-pound rankings. They've got Kamara Usman at 15, so he's still ranked. Max Holloway, Tom Aspenal, Al Jamain Sterling, Sean Strickland, Adesanya, Pantogio, Drickard DuPlecio, Mali, Oliveira, Pereira, Edwards, Volk, John Jones, Makhachev at one. I was surprised. This is no disrespect to Usman. I was surprised to see his name on there. I guess he only lost to Hamza and Leon Edwards. But the real question I wanted to ask you is not about that. For Jamal there, he's got a chip on his shoulder.

Yeah.

It's good. Yeah. Well, that's where I'm going. That's my question. Because when I was fighting, my God, I had a giant chip on my shoulder. I had potentially, you might call it a victim complex. I always thought the world was against me. Everyone's trying to get me down, and it was one man's fight to just take on the world. And when you're fighting in a sport like mixed martial arts or boxing, that approach and that mentality in some ways, because whatever it takes, whether it's negative energy or positive energy, if That fuels you and gets you out of bed because you want to prove the world wrong. I always wanted to prove the critiques wrong, the people that write these little articles, all the assholes on Twitter and all the rest of it. That shit is your friend when you're fighting.

Yeah. So It's funny that you say that because Jamal is just super emotional. I don't want to say emotional. He's a very honest person. He's very, I don't know, he wears his heart on his sleeve. You see these quotes, he's not afraid to say how he feels and tell people how they pissed him off. So we've had these conversations, and you can tell he takes things very personal, things that maybe other people wouldn't have taken so personally. He does, and it pisses him off, and he feels like it's a personal attack on him. And I don't argue with him. I just let him because I think it's good for him. I think it's good for his recovery. I think it's good for his rehab. It's good for his return to the octagon. So if he says, Man, these guys are sleeping on me. They think I'm getting done. I know Jamal, nobody thinks that. Nobody in the world thinks you're done or you're washed up or you're not good enough. Nobody in the division certainly thinks that. So maybe they're just enjoying the time that you're away. And that's what happens when you're injured and you're out for a The rest of the division moves on.

People move on. You're not in the conversations, and it's not fun. But instead of me explaining that to him, let him think it because it's good for him. It's good for his mental. It's good for his motivation. It gets him up in the morning. Some people are, I want to be the best in the world, and some people are like, I want to show you. Sometimes that mentality is better than the other one.

That's it. That encapsulates it perfect. That attitude of, I'll show you. And if you really mean it, regardless of what it is in this life, you know what I mean? If you've got that mentality where you're going to finally prove everyone wrong, you are-Oh, I got a question for you.

I got a question for you.

I'm going to show you, and you can ask me because my face is going redder by the second because no man alive should interrupt me halfway through a speech.

This fits right in.

Yeah, I know. It's the red wall paper behind me.

It's got to be. I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I got to get this out. I'm joking.

How can I say that? How can I say that?

A lot of people will always tell you when you're trying to push towards the title, I get told this all the time, Stop trying to prove people wrong. Try to prove yourself right. Prove the people that support you, your family, your friends that have been behind you the whole time. Prove them right. Don't worry about proving everyone else wrong. But that, it's more motivating for me to just want to piss off the haters. So my question to you is, did you... Of course, after you won the title, eventually, you're going to think about your family and your friends, and you're going to love everyone that supported you and thank them. But was the first thought when you were walking back to the back in the locker room? I mean, did you think about every single mean tweet, Instagram message, trash talking to your media personality? Every time I win a fight where everyone says I wasn't supposed to, I cannot wait to throw it in their face. I'll take screenshots on my phone. Of shit that people say on the internet, and I'll save them. And then after the fight, I'll send them back to them.

Well, when I knocked out Luke Rockhold and became champion of the world, never mind walking out, the first thing that I did was jump on top of the octagon and point at Luke Rockhold. And it wasn't aimed at Luke Rockhold. It was aimed at the world. I went, You. And it was you to everyone that was going to talk shit online, that wrote your little articles, that didn't that laughed, that mocked, and said, I'm posting you little UFC 100 gifs. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I pointed at Rocco, but that was directed at all of those people because no one knows what you're capable of better than you. You know what I mean? Deep down inside yourself, you know what you're capable of. Everyone listening to this knows exactly what they can and can't do. I think if you're honest with yourself and you're realistic, you know what you can achieve. And you have a feeling and you have a vibe. I know I can do this. I I can become champion, and people laugh at you and people mock you. And people that are listening to this, whatever it is that they're into, they know how far they can go.

And if you speak that into existence, they laugh and they talk shit and they giggle and they get with their friends and they go, How did you hear this guy? What he says he wants to do. Because he's got a fucking ambition. Do you know what I mean? And yeah, everyone said all that shit. So that's why I jumped on top of the ring and I went, It's not you. But that was to the world, baby. And it was the best feeling ever.

That's that chip. That's that chip on the shoulder that I just let Jamal have. Because I got the same thing. I'm not this like, I'm just so motivated to be the best in the world, and I just want that. Of course, that's true. But also, I'm It shit's deep and dark and hard. It feels really good to shut people the fuck up.

It's the best feeling. It is. No, but for all the victories I had in the octagon, going out there and beating someone really quick, that's awesome. That's great. You look like the man and you get those highlight reels, and I didn't have too many of them because I wasn't like a one-punch knockout guy. But I had quite a few knockouts. The ones I'm more proud of are the hard-fought victories, the one where you had to really fight through adversity, like the fight with Anderson Silva. Do you know what I mean? My face was covered in blood at the end of it, and the fact I was able to fight through and get to the final bell and still win. And people can sit here and go, Oh, you lost that fight. I didn't lose I'm not going to fight if you know how to score a mixed martial arts. But I'm more proud of those victories because you got to fight for it. You got to dig deep and you got to fight for it. Will yourself still into the fight?

But winning it and taking it are different. Going in and winning a fight just because you're the better guy, of course, that's great. But then you're in a fight with Anderson, you guys are in a power struggle. You're not going to be able to just win that fight with him at that point. You had to take it. And that's really incredible. That's inspiring shit.

I just suck it out of his soul.

Hey, a win is a win.

Hey, however you're going to get this done, baby.

Twenty bucks is twenty bucks.

Talking of suck it out of your soul, Harrington, you put this in the notes about vaping. I'm wondering...

Segue of the year. What's up? Oh, baby. Yeah, so this is actually That's interesting. So the UK is passing laws. You remember last year they said they have this whole initiative where they want no more smokers, but I think it was like the 2040 or something like that, or anyone born in 2009 and beyond, they never want them to smoke. So the UK is passing laws. Measures include restricting the flavors they can sell. They want a plainer packaging, and they're modifying the store displays so it doesn't look like happy fun time, grab a vape from us. So that's the idea is to essentially stop marketing these things to children.

Now, I know Brian doesn't like any form of government control whatsoever. I do not. No, you don't.

And I get that. Brian wanted to sell cigarettes to kids just to keep the government out of it.

I feel like this is a good thing. Call me liberal, left leaning dickhead of the year, not getting kids on- Liberal, left hook, Larry. On Blue... Liberal, Larry. Call me liberal, Larry. We're going to get a T-shirt. All you want. You're not getting kids addicted to Illuminous green, pink, and blue vape sticks that are going to be bad for you, that are flavors cranberry blue rasja, right? I don't know what they call, but- At this point, I'm all about the Darwinian philosophy in this.

If you vape your lungs out of your body, that's just a natural selection. We don't have predators anymore. We We need dumb shit like this to take out the low-hanging fruit.

If you suck the soul out of your own body through it, right? You as vapehead.

Excuse me. I don't think it's a bad deal. Let's not mark it dangerous for the kids.

Of course. I think it helps people stop smoking and stuff like that, and that's great. But just not making it so attractive to children, that's got to be a good thing. I had a segue where we were going to I'll be with that in just a second, but it's totally slipped my mind. Brian, if you want to give us some more government conspiracy stuff whilst it comes back to me, Anthony, do you have anything else intelligent to offer on the matter? No, I really don't.

I just think I don't have any arguments.

You want to talk about where your money is really going instead of Ukraine?

Okay, come on then, Brian. This is going to shed some light. On the YouTube video that you watched this morning and you went down into the comment section and into the wrap-up and then it ended up What's it called? What's it called?

4chan.

4chan. Brian learned it on Reddit.

I don't have a Reddit account or a 4chan account. That's a fucking lie. I swear to God.

You don't have a Reddit account? I got rid of it years ago. You're not even American.

I got rid of it years ago.

You're not even American then.

All right. Not a real conspiracy theories.

A man without a country then.

Do I have a Reddit account? I don't know. But what's 4chan? What is that?

4chan is where the The funny people hang out on the Internet. It's like the dark web. A lot of the dumb shit that shows up in pop culture has started as a troll on 4chan. You know how everybody's like, this is a white supremacist symbol now? Mm-hmm. That started on 4chan. It was literally a bunch of just trolls on the internet, made this rumor up, put it out, and now the news is reporting on it. And there's a pile of things that 4chan has invented that the public narrative I've just run with is real.

That's crazy.

It's so funny.

So you have a 4chan? I thought it was 4champ.

No, I don't have a 4chan account either.

Why not?

Because I would be a bad person.

I'm going to Google 4chan. 4chan, let's see what comes up. 4chan, Wikipedia. It says here, 4chan is an anonymous English language image board website launched by Christopher Moot Pool in 2003. The site holds boards dedicated to a wide variety of topics, from video games and television to literature, cooking, weapons, music history, anime, fitness, politics, and sports. Sounds great. Amongst others, registration is not available, and users typically post anonymously. As of 2022, 4chan receives more than 22 million unique visitors monthly. Approximately half are from the United States. What's wrong with that?

Yeah, it sounds really nice when you write it out on paper and you're like, Hey, everybody, it's just a website. But it's where all the trolling starts.

Literature, cooking, music, history, anime.

I have some homework for you, Mike. After this show, you're going to create a 4chan account. And then throughout the next week, just periodically, I want you to go in and just scan through the threads in different areas on on that site, and then report back to us on Monday.

You don't make an account. You can just go on it.

Oh, you can't make an account?

No, and it gives your posts like a serial number.

You don't need to do that.

We were talking about this recently. The For You thing on Twitter, that's going to be the wildest thing on the web right now.

Oh, man, get ready. You're about to drop off a shelf in the ocean when you hop onto 4chan.

One question. If I take my computer in to be prepared, am I going to get like...

Be careful. You're still with stuff that you click on in 4chan.

Fbi.

You have to be very careful when you're clicking around on 4chan. I'd probably do it from your phone. I'd probably do it from your phone.

I'd probably do it on a new computer and then burn it afterwards.

Are you advising me to buy a computer for my secret web browsing for inappropriate websites and then telling me how to hide them?

You can accidentally become a felon, unfortunately.

Well, I don't want to do that then. Homework or not is the best excuse ever. Sir, I'm sorry, I didn't want to become a It was for the podcast. Yeah, it was for the podcast. My producer said to do it, sir. Yeah. All right, Harrington, give us a bloody subject so we can stop talking bloody nonsense.

Okay, how about this one? Jared Cannoneer gave a timeline for his return. If you remember, he was offered a number of very interesting fights that he had to pass on because he had to have MCL surgery. He says he should be ready to go, ready to start training again by the end of March. And he has one name on his mind for a return sometime in the summer, Hamza Tshemayy. He says that, obviously, the title is what he would like to be fighting for, but short of that, this is the next best opportunity to solidify your title chances, especially fighting lower in the rankings.

See, I absolutely love that. And shout out to Jared Kananir, because how many people are calling out Hamza? I know there's people in the past that have done that, but for Jared Cannanier to be in the position that he is, to have a win over the former champion, Strickland, a man that's at the top of the food chain, although he's not the champion or contending for it anytime soon. Top five has been for a long, long time. And one good win or two good wins is right there. To call out Hamza Chimev is a gangsta move because Hamza is calling everyone out. He's got call out to Pereira, Dupleixi, Tom Aspinal, Jon Jones. I mean, the list, Jon Jones.

Yeah, Jon Jones. Yeah, you're right. I I love that for Kananier because I think that's what he needs, because he's not the huge personality guy. I actually really enjoy talking to him. I think he's really intelligent. He's super smart, but he's not out there like that on social media or doing interviews or whatever. So he has to get it just strictly off of his merits and his abilities. And Hamza is the guy. You get a win over Hamza, you're probably going to be in line for a title. Where you think Hamza is in the division and how many 85ers he has or hasn't fought, whatever. The truth of it is that Dana promised him a title shot if he beat Kamara Usman, but he was injured. And now he's in this weird floating around spot. We know how the UFC moves quickly. They move around stuff and things change. But at one point in time, he was told he was next for a title shot with a win over Kamara Usman. You go beat that guy and as popular as Hamza is, that's probably enough.

And also for Hamza, right? Because everybody points to the same thing. Whenever Hamza says he should get a title fight, when any time anybody says or suggests that, they turn around and say, Well, who's he beating? A middleweight. That is what everybody says. And there's some validity to that argument, right? There is. Any way you slice it. So for him, beating Jared Kananier, a perennial contender that's been there for a long time, who is top of the food chain, that shuts that box up. And for Jared Kananier, a win over Hamza Akhaimiev is a big, big thing. It's a big deal. To your point, you said Jared's not out there. I love Jared Kananier. He's amazing. He's been on this podcast a few times. He's the crystal master.

Yeah.

He loves his crystals. He's getting the power from the dark magic.

Him and Rashaad. Black magic. Yeah, him and Rashaad.

Jared, Black Magic Kananier. That sounds racist, but it's not. I'm not talking about his skin color. He loves the crystals. He harnesses the energy. He does.

I've seen him and Rashaad talk at the Apex before.

Oh, God, I could only imagine.

Oh, yeah. I was just standing there with my hands in my pockets like, I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about, but it sounds interesting.

Just try and break it down what they were talking about.

They were talking about a lot of... Well, some of the crystal energy stuff, but they talk about a lot of love, which I think is interesting. It's really interesting. They both are real big on this love thing. They're, I don't know, they remind me hippies from the '70s. Everything's about love and passion and feelings. Rashaad is always digging into me about feelings. How do you feel? How do you feel in this moment? Well, how did that make you feel? I'm telling him a story, and then that man said this, and he was like, How did that make you feel? I'm mad as a man. Rashaad is what I'm trying to tell you. I was like, Well, what exactly did he say that touched that one feeling inside of you? He was like, Rashaad, can I just be mad and just scream for a second? Then we can talk it out.

You're not my therapist. We're bros. I'm telling you, I'm going to smash this head head. How did that make you feel? How did you-It's like-What feelings did those touch?

If you could talk about it.

But that is Richard and Jared, by all accounts, from what you said there, because I spoke to Jared a few times, not that in-depth, but that's great. It's beautiful to see. It really is.

It makes me feel... I feel like I'm a better person when I'm around Richard and And I'm sure Jared Kananier is very, very similar.

It doesn't make me feel like a better person. I think it highlights that I'm not a good person.

I think once I've been around them for a while, you're like, well, even when we're eating dinner, we'll go out to eat, and the waitress will come over and say, All right, get you guys ready to order? And Rishad will say, Yeah. Like, Rishad, you go first. And he'll order some shit that just sounds heavenly. I'm like, I was just going to get a steak and some beers and some fries, but I better think a little deeper into this meal choice.

How is this food brought to the table? He's one of these just stop oil people, isn't it?

Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. He has to be, I guarantee. Is it brought on a bed of lettuce? Because I don't like porcelain.

We were talking about that before and we said we don't know much about it, and we don't. But I am a bit of an expert now. I watched 15 Minutes of a documentary called Poisoned the Other Day on Netflix. Have you seen that?

I haven't. I'm going to watch it.

I haven't seen it. I saw 15 Minutes of it, and I turned it off because it got a bit boring. But there's some shocking shit goes on from the food being grown to getting onto your plate. It's disgusting.

Yeah, in some places. Yeah, for sure.

In America, for sure. It was in America. It was an American documentary.

You're talking about big factory farming, though.

Talking about big factory farming, and then you got all the cows there together, really condensed, closed in. And then right next to them, they're growing spinach and stuff like that. And then all the cattle are shitting, and the shit goes into the water supply, and that water is put into the sprinklers for the spinach. It's a breeding ground for E. Coli.

That's why you don't eat spinach.

You don't eat spinach?

No, that's what my food eats.

Bro, you don't like spinach?

No.

You don't put a handful of spinach in your protein shake?

No.

Every day?

No. If you can't get it from a steak or some potatoes, I probably don't want it.

Are you not a big vegetable eater?

No, not at all.

I could tell by that. I'm mainly jaundice in your face.

Yeah, I'm mainly... There we go. Less jaundicey. There we go.

You know we're struggling for content when this This is the shit that we're coming out with. My God. Oh, dear. Let's have a look here. Speaking of UFC 300, he wants in on that. Marabdi Velishvili, we did that. Zalton Almeida, yeah. Oh, this is nice. Speaking of good heartwarming stuff, Zalton Almeida made an athlete with Down syndrome's dream come true, dropping a decision loss to the young handicapped man at a demonstration He was 14 years old. That's awesome. Well done to Zhaal to now make. Do we have a video of that? I do believe there is a link right there. What are you laughing at? What are you laughing at? What are you laughing at?

He didn't even let him get a finish.

Yeah, he could have faked a knockout.

He made him fight for a decision?

He was trying to get into the later rounds. It backfired on him.

You You couldn't give that kid a third round, I don't know, guillotine or something. Come on.

You couldn't give him on top of the ring the fuck you moment.

At one point, he's got him in a triangle.

Did he tap?

Oh, he did finish it. He tapped.

Oh, thank God.

Okay, that's better. He doesn't meet John Jones. Oh, God. That's great.

Well done, Jonathan that made it. That's amazing. No, that's super cool. I love... Diego Sánchez did that one time, too, in Albuquerque. So I always think that's cool. I wish that they would call me and ask me to do something like that because I would jump all over it.

I would as well, but I fear I might be the- You know what I wouldn't do?

Person in there. You know what I wouldn't do, though? I'm not sure, because I read this in the notes earlier. I'm not sure I'd give up a first-class flight going out of the country, overseas.

What is that story? And Harrington, just because I do remember seeing something about that. Go ahead.

So A man, he had first-class tickets to go to London, New York to London, so a five and a half-ish hour flight. A woman was talking about how it was her dream to one day fly first-class. So this guy just jumped on the grenade, said, Okay, let's go. You take my first class ticket. I'll trade with you. And he let her sit in first class for the ride from New York to London.

How many times do you think she's done this?

I was going to say It's just my dream. My dream. Hey, first of all, fair play to that guy. Had to put it on social media, though. Had to do it. Good for him. But if you are going to do something nice, don't put it on social media like these people that give money to homeless people. When they go over to you, What do you need? What do you need? How about I give you $5,000? And then they film them and the guy cries. But that is nice. I encountered something very similar to that once. I'd fought in Australia. I had Rebecca and the kids with me. We're flying back after the fight. I had a business class ticket because I was fighting. The family were in premium economy. I let Rebecca have the seat. So she was in business class, and I just got up to see her. Oh, no, I'm lying. No, it was either way. Sometimes I do do that, but on this one, I hadn't. Not every time. I was injured. It was a tough time. Rebecca came up to see me, that's right. And she had Lucas, who was a a newborn baby, or one or something.

And this guy, Indian fellow on the plane, saw that she was sitting back there, and he goes, If you want, you can have my seat. And she said, Excuse me. He said, Yeah, so you guys can sit together because you got a baby. You can take my seat. I don't need this. You can have this one. And I was like, She never took it. I'm like, Babe, take the fucking seat.

You were like, Don't take the fucking seat. I'm not even trying to listen to that baby this whole flight.

You're not having mine. Take the random guys. No, but isn't that a beautiful thing? It is. That guy did it there, and this random stranger just offered his seat up to my wife.

I love that. Yeah, I love it. That's a long flight, too. That's a longFly. That's a long flight. Five hours? I didn't really think about how far the New York to London flight is. I could probably give up a first-class flight for five hours. Any longer than that? I'm going to close my eyes and pretend like I don't see anybody.

And I lived in England at the time as well. Australia to England, that's one of the longest flights you could do. You got to make a stop off somewhere along the way. But you wouldn't do that. That was a nice segue, though, Anthony.

I thought so. I thought it was pretty good. I'm glad that you pointed it out.Thank you for that.I know.

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All right, first question we got here today is from Mr. John Miller.

Hi, this is Joe from Marsh for the Mass. My question is why haven't Bizping and Anthony Smith asked to be the next Ultimate fighter coaches? I think it would be an entertaining season and help bring the show back to what it was the first couple of seasons. And I think instead of fighting at the end of this season, you could just have an arm wrestling match. I think it'd be a good idea.

Thank you.

How fun would that be?

Hold on. I was having audio issues.

I don't know about you. It was very low. It was hard to hear.

So what did he say?

He said, How come we haven't suggested that me and you coach the next season of the Ultimate fighter-Together? No, against each other. And then at the end, instead of fighting, we have an arm wrestling competition. I would argue about what we do at the end. We could make it way more fun than arm wrestling.

We could do more than arm. I'll put the gloves on. I'll have a demonstration. I'll have an exhibition bow. No. What do you mean no? What, you think I can't do it? You can't go what it takes? You think I can't? He's like, No, don't be silly.

No, no. Listen.

It's okay, Mike. Listen, I'm done.

No, there's no reason to fight. We can have fun. We're not like we're going to talk shit during the show. I'm going to prank you. I'm I'm going to with your team. I'm going to bother you, but it's going to be a lot of laughs and some fucked up shit. And then at the end, we can do a shot competition or something. Just see who stays awake the longest.

Sign me up for all of that. I've got a better idea.

Okay.

Podcast coaches. So it's me and you as one team. And the other team is like, I don't know, John Anick and Kenny Florian.

Kenny Florian. We'll fuck them up. Matt Serra.

Wendy Sharpe and Brian Callen. Matt Serra. And what's his partner called?

Jimmy Norton.

Jim Norton.

Jim Norton. Yeah, Jim Norton. Yeah, that'd be fun.

I think we'd fuck them all up.

I think we'd definitely fuck them all up for sure.

Are you guys planning on fighting the other MMA podcast?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. For sure.

I'm in. I think he wouldn't have hands down. Now, I'd have a tough time with John Anick and Ken Floh, though. I'd have a hard time.

Easiest payday ever.

But I like them so much. I don't know. I just pick up John and put him in my pocket or something.

I was going to say, no, you're having Kenny Florian. That's the hard of fight. Kenny's legit and shouts out Kenny.

I love those guys. I'd have an easier time fighting Kenny than John. That's for sure. No, they're both awesome.

And Kenny is the absolute man and a legend of mixed martial arts as well. So thank you, by the way, Kenny, for last week. That's why you're having Kenny, and I'll take John. Okay. That's a deal.

We'll fuck Matt, Sarah, and Jim Norton up for sure.

How would you? Matt, Sarah's got some power, bro.

Yeah. Okay. Then when we fight Brennan Shabb and Brian Callen, you can take Shabb.

Fuck that. Not Big Brown. I ain't having Big Brown. I'll take them both on.

Okay. All right. All right.Okay. What a fun question.

That, I like that one. I would like to coach the ultimate fighter, me and you, tag team as coaches.

That'd be sweet.

That'd be awesome. Just no Moscow mules in straws.

No Moscow...

And no applying chapstick on the show either. So when I apply chapstick, I'm going to say this.

I get chapped when I'm talking. I do. So put it on.

Even in front of my own wife, I don't like applying chapstick.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, I do it all the time, everywhere in public.

I do this.

Is it weird? Yeah.

I don't know what it is. I I feel like I'm putting lipstick on, but it's essential in dry air.

It is. When I was fishing outside it-Okay, well, I'll take it easy on the chapstick on the podcast.

I'm like, Is he making moves on me? Is he playing this? Brian, what else have we got?

You're muted, brother. Next question we have is from Jesse.

What's up, BYM crew? Jesse from North Idaho. Just the tip. How I had a question for Bisping and Anthony being pro fighters. This is something I'm really curious about. We have a lot of King of the cage events up where I live. I've noticed that a few of the guys there, they never announced their records. They announced their name, but not their records. I did some research, and a lot of those guys have four wins and 20 losses or something crazy like that. I'm curious, what's up with guys like that? Do they just go in there and throw fights? Do they just not train and enjoy fighting and don't care? If you're an aspiring young fighter, what would it do to your career to lose to a guy like that? Oh, and one last thing, not a man alive runs a podcast like Michael Bischwing. And Harrington, in the most loving way possible, thank you. Yep. Love that guy. Anthony, first take.

Well, I expected him to have way more of a red neck, hic accent by the looks of him. He started talking like, Oh, wow, he's educated. Okay. No, there is a lot... That's how the regional scene is, especially in the Midwest or these Northern States. I don't think they're not throwing fights, and A lot of them are training. They're just not very good, and they fight all the time. A lot of them are really gritty, super tough veterans that are really tough fights for everybody. But in the end, you'll probably end up getting over on one of those guys if you're any good. But those guys have to exist. These up and comers, they need to go through a couple of guys like that because they can fight guys that aren't very good. But now you got to start moving them into guys that are super tough, that are really crafty veterans that aren't maybe necessarily super skilled or athletic, but can figure out ways to win. They've done it a bunch of times. You need those guys in the progression of young up and comers. So they're necessary. And they just like going out there.

They know they're never going to make it to a big show, but they love They like training, make a little bit of cash on the side. And some of these guys look at it like a part-time job. So that's how I look at it. I think those guys are absolutely necessary. And honestly, those guys have some of the Have harder roads than a lot of the people that make it into the UFC. Some of those guys' pass are really, really difficult.

100 % totally agree with everything you said. And the journeyman, that's what you call them. In the boxing world, that's where that term comes from, the guys that lose all the time. And I guess in boxing, they're almost expected to lose, so it's a little bit different. But those guys that are doing that, they're still stepping out there. They're some of the toughest Bastards on planet Earth. Just because they have those records, don't let that fool... Yeah, okay, some of them just suck, maybe. Probably some of them. But some of them are really good as well. But mentally, they are some of the toughest people that you'll find because you know how hard it is to walk out there when you keep losing fights?

Yeah, that's hard.

And you still keep trying. When I did tell us from the article, and I talked about Tony Ferguson fighting Paddy Bimble, and I was like, Yeah, Tony Ferguson. I has lost six in a row. Do you know how hard it is to continue fighting when you've lost six in a row? And I broke it down like this. I said, Imagine if you were going down your local pub, and there's this guy, someone's talking shit, and you You said, Right, for it, outside, let's go. So you go outside and you have a fight, and you get the shit kicked out of you in front of everyone. And the whole town is laughing you. In a small little town, everyone talks shit, everyone's laughing. And the black eyes heel and all the rest of it, and you roll out your hole, and you come back to the pub and people are, Oh, here he is, showing his face again. And then a couple of weeks later, someone's talking shit, and you go, Right, this outside. Let's go again. And you get battered again. You get kicked to shit. Imagine you do that again and again and again and again.

People would think you were fucking crazy. This is what I'm saying. Tony Ferguson is fucking crazy. Do you know what I mean? These people are crazy. Do you know what I mean? And they are very Very, very mentally strong. Do you know what I mean? Except it's not down your local pub. It's in front of 20,000 people in Las Vegas with millions of people watching all over the planet.

On pay-per-view.

On pay-per-view.

You've got big- Not only is it apart, People paid to watch it. Yeah.

You've trained.

You know what I mean? And you were supposed to be ready.

Exactly.

Those people. And if you look at some of those guys' records, especially on the regional scene, I've seen... I wish I could remember his name because I talk about this all the time. He was like 5 and 19, right? And one of my friends in Colorado got offered to fight him. And he was like, Yeah, the dude's 5 and 19. I was like, Yeah, fight him. He was like, I'm not fighting that guy. I'm like, Why? Why would you not fight that guy? Pulled up his record. All 19 guys had been in the UFC. He didn't have a loss to a guy that wasn't a UFC vet. So in his way, he had two wins over UFC bets. So that's a deceiving record.

And just to your point there as well, you can't underestimate these guys. And what I'm going to say might sound a little bit disrespectful because I'll mention him by name, but it's not designed to be. An old training partner of mine, and he kicked my ass for when I moved out here in 2011 to when I retired from fighting. He was my main training partner, Moses Murrieta. Brilliant boxer, high-level jiu-jitsu, not the best boxer, but decent wrestling, always in shape. He could hit hard. He had a hard chin. Do you know what I mean? And he pushed me every single session. And I wouldn't have been the fighter that I was without him in my training camps pushing me. And sadly, I don't know what his record is now. He just couldn't put it together. Do you know what I mean? On the lower level shows, whether it was nerves or whatever it was. You know what I mean? But that doesn't mean the guy couldn't fight because I know for a fight, I was champion of the world, and he was coming into a gym on a Tuesday morning and whooping my ass. You know what I mean?

Just because he was losing down at the OC Fairground, it doesn't mean he's not to be respected.

Yeah, I talk about this all the time. The toughest people that I've ever encountered in this sport are not guys I fought. They're guys that beat the fuck out of me in the gym. Like, Like Cody Brundish. I talk about this all the time. Match Cody up with anybody in the UFC 185 and bring them down to Factory X in Inglewood, Colorado, and he'll run with every single one of those guys. For whatever reason, up to this point, you run them when the bright lights are on and it really matters. Up to this point, he struggled a little bit. But you run every one of them dudes in some broke dick gym anywhere in the country, and he'll be right there with them all.

Yeah. And if you're down a dark alley, it's one of those guys that you want with you. Let me tell you that. Exactly. And that's why people always say to me about my kids, Callum and Lucas, are they going to fight? And I always say, I don't think so. And I don't want them to. Not because I don't think they could. It's because actually Making it, actually making money and turning this into a career with longevity that's going to reward you for all the time and effort that you put in. Listen, we all know how hard it is. I don't even need to go into that. The sacrifice and the training and the injuries and all the rest of it, but just the time alone and not the years. It's a lifetime. It's a lifetime. And for a lot of people, for a very select few guys that are lucky enough like me and you, and obviously with the UFC, there's a lot more of us. But for a lot of people, they don't get there, and they're still trying to make it happen. And sadly, they get to a point where they're too far into it.

They're too far gone. There's nothing else they can do now because they're in the '30s, and they've wasted the best years of their life. That's why sometimes when I see some fights that are decent, but they say, No, I'm stopping this. I'm going to go do something else. I don't say, Oh, this guy could have cut it. I think that's a smart boy right there. But he's still young enough.

He's young enough to build something else.

To reinvent yourself.

Absolutely. I agree. Totally agree.

That was a good question, and I think that's a good spot to end the episode. Thank you, Anthony.

Yeah, this was fun. I'm glad we did this.

Yeah, it was a bit of a silly one, but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed myself, and we hope you did, too, wherever you are in the world. Thanks for supporting the show. Take care. See you on Thursday.