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Welcome to the show, everybody. Monday morning. Well, no, Monday afternoon, should I say? What am I saying? I'm tired. I'm exhausted. Great weekend in New York City. Anthony, it feels like me. He's taking a nap. So today we have the one, the only, Jesse on fire. What's up, Jesse? How have you been?

How are you, sir? I'm excellent.

I'm exhausted. I'm absolutely bloody exhausted. Busy week in New York last week. It never stopped. I was in Brazil before that flew straight up and straight off the plane. Non-stop content for U-of-C-296. Six or five? Five. Five. What have you got, Biscay? U-of-c-295. But it was totally worth it. I mean, what an event... I mean, we're going to get into all that stuff, but was that one of the quickest fight main cards in recent memory? Because all finishes.

It seemed like every fight was awesome the entire way. All through the prelims, every fight seemed like it was awesome. I can't think of a single bad fight that was on that card.

Yeah, no, it was tremendous. We'll start with the Co-main event because Tom Aspinol is a friend of the show. He comes on here all the time. He's a good friend of mine as well. I went round. I was very confident. I was very bullish. I even had DC calling me up and saying, What are you doing? What are you doing? Are you just trying to hype this fight? I said, I know you guys are friends, but what on earth are you doing, Visby? And Serge is the real deal. I was like, Look, listen, we are buddies, but it's not because I'm biased. I said, You look at the performances that he's had. That's why I'm so confident. Then he goes out there. I was nervous because Tom looked very, very nervous going into the fight, and rightly so, right? He's fighting for the interim belt. Serge Pavlovit is a killer. He's got one-punch, knockout power. You know the rest. Walks out, fight starts. Sixty-nine seconds. He's on his feet. He's moving and grooving. He got caught a couple of times. I was concerned. Very, very concerned. But he was moving around. He was dancing around the octagon.

And then one, two, left hook, sits it down. I think it was a left hook or a right hook. Regardless, sits it down. Massive hammer fist. That's it. Falls on the floor. The new interim heavyweight champion of the world. The arena lost its goddamn mind. How was the experience for you, Jesse, living sitting at home?

It was incredible. I picked him also. I went one for two.

I picked him and I picked- Don't lie.

Oh, it's on record. I picked him by stoppage too. I picked him by stoppage. Nice. But I also picked Urid by stoppage. So that was obviously wrong. I picked Yeary as well. So yeah, it was unbelievable. And it was funny because I hung out with the Black rifle Coffee Guys the previous week, and they were at the event because they did that sponsorship. And I was trying to explain to them this fight. I was like, Dude. I was like, Tom Aspenal is this 265-pound guy from the UK who will beat up 11 guys in a row and then go have sex with all of their wives because he's super good looking and well-spoken. And then you got the other guy is this Russian bear who could have invaded Ukraine by himself. And then so when Tom Aspenal knocked him out, he texted me. He's like, You said this fight was going to be insane. I'm like, I told you, dude. I told you.

Yeah, it's wild how easily Tom went through because Tom's known as a tactician. He's known for his heavy hands, of course, like all heavyweights. But it was Serge, the one that everyone was thinking maybe he'll get the first round knockout. I thought Tom was going to take his time. I wenting to the backstage beforehand, had a little chat with him, even said any last-minute advice for me. I was like, Well, who am I to give you advice, Tom? You're doing incredible things, I said, But just remember that octagon is huge. Don't stand in front of him. But just ultimately beat yourself. That's what I said to him. I said, Ultimately, just do you, man. You fight the way you always fight. You're going to be more than fine. I don't know who's going to stop Tom Aspinol. I texted him. I said, Look, listen, buddy. I said, This is the start of a wild ride for you now. I said, In 10 years' time, you're going to have 20, 30, maybe more million in the bank. I said, It won't be long before you're buying a new house. I said, This is the start. This is the start of an epic run.

Of course, there's John Jones. Of course, there's Steve, there's Mian, and Kitch. And they will be tough fights, right? Or maybe not. I guess time will tell. But outside of them two, and you never know if that fight is going to materialize, but outside of them two, I genuinely do not see anybody in the heavyweight division giving him a problem anytime soon. He could knock anybody out, he can take anybody down, and he can submit probably all of them as well. He literally is the heavyweight George St. Pierre.

I totally agree with that take. It's hard to say that he ends up fighting John Jones or Steepe, because if John Jones wins, he said he's going to retire. I don't think Steepe comes back if he loses to John Jones. The only guy where there's a question mark is just Almeida in case he does some crazy jiu-jitsu thing. But Aspenal is an incredible grappler also. You know what I wanted to ask you as I was listening to you talk and think about this was like, how much of the nerves, because you've obviously done this yourself, how much of the nerves do you think were tied to the fact that he didn't have a training camp? He basically came in injured. What's that like to walk into the biggest fight of your life knowing you are essentially the most ill-prepared that you've ever been for a fight?

Yeah, that's a good question. Fortunately, for me, when I stepped up on short notice, I was doing a film, so I was still running most days. My cardio wasn't too bad. And for Tom, same thing. He wasn't doing a film, but he just had a year away from the octagon. He was trying to maximize his potential. He said, I'm not going to take any time off. He wasn't in training camp. There's a massive difference between training camp and staying in the gym. But as you mentioned, he was injured. He didn't tell anyone. He had a bad back so he couldn't train. That just shows what type of man we're dealing with here. On that tremendous run, comes back, beats Martin Tabora. He reinserts himself to the conversation, steps up two and a half weeks against Serge, no training camp, bad back, and another loss would have really slowed down the hype, you know what I mean? But he was still willing to risk all that to become interim champion and walked through it, made it look easy. And he took a shot as well. He proved that he has a chin because Serge Pavlović puts people to sleep, and he took a heavy one.

I was like, Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I don't believe this. No, Tom, get out of there. But yeah, man, as I said- I.

Don't know- Because you were you were case. That was a really heavy shot. On TV, that looked like he got hit flush with that shot that he got hit with. Did it sound loud, cage-side?

Well, I couldn't hear anything, and that's why my voice is gone, because Harrington was at the fight with me. Harrington, jump on, brother. Harrington was there with me. We had a great night. We went out for a little steak before, and then we had a little unlimited rib eye, and my voice was fine. But then that happened with Tom and I was screaming like an absolute maniac. And then here we are. It's better now. Saturday and I had to do an ESB and Pulse Fight show, TNT Sports Pulse Fight show, and I was literally like this. And everyone just thinks I was getting wasted the whole week. But that's not true, is it, Harrington?

No, man, we actually spoke during dinner. We spoke all through the fight up until the Tom card. Then by the time Perre came out, it was like, Yeah, I think he's going to be pretty good.

In this one. Yeah, yeah.

We were dumb for it.

But, Harrington, we couldn't hear the sound of the punches. The crowd in there Saturday night, like always at MSG, the atmosphere was absolutely incredible. That was our main event. Of course, the main event. We'll get to that in a second. But yeah, Harrington, give me your thoughts on the fight on Tom Aspinol, where he is now.

I mean, it was absolutely incredible. Watching it back, it's hard to see from that angle. But the head movement that Tom displayed while Serge was coming at him with absolutely everything, following it up, finishing, killer instinct, all of it, love Aspenol. But yeah, I mean, it was more like the pop from the crowd. As soon as he connected, the entire crowd erupted because they knew. It was a no-doubter shot that he put him down. It was pretty sick.

Yeah, and on top of it all, he's just the nicest guy. He really is. He's so nice and he's humble. He's got a sense of humor, as you say. He's very well-spoken, he's intelligent, he's articulate. He's coming from my job for damn sure. Do you know what I mean? He's going to be commentating. He's going to be working on T&T sports. They'll be like, Biscun's olduse, but he really is. He's the total package, man. I don't know about going out there and sleeping with everybody's wives, Jesse. Mike's the man he could. I know.

By the way-How big is he in real life? Is he enormous in real life? I've never seen.

Him in person. Pull up on my Instagram because there's a picture of me and him backstage in the locker room. Dude, he's massive. He towers over me. He makes me look like Demetrius Johnson.

He really does. And for anyone who has seen Mike in real life, you're huge in real-life. -well, I'm not huge. -you are surprisingly large.

In real life. I'm not a small person, but I wouldn't say I'm huge, but I'm not small by any stretch. I'm getting heavier and heavier by the day or by the years these days. -but yeah, it's.

Not too bad.

-wow, dude. But he's a big dude. He's a big, big dude. And his father as well. We're going to give him a special shout out and the Aspinol. His father quit work 18 years ago to focus on Tom, to focus on making him the best fighter that he can be to get into this day. He literally obviously conceived the child and then gave up everything, dedicated it all to this mom. It's as much a victory for his dad as it is for Tom. And then final word, I love the beginning of the fight as well. Both men embraced each other, give each other a little hug. No trash talk, no bullshit. None of that. She's like, Hey, we're going to rip each other's heads off. It's all respectful. We both want to be the champion, and then let's fight. I thought it was a beautiful moment.

I totally agree. I just got goosebumps thinking about the thing with his dad. And also that moment also, especially given the state of the world, he's a Russian fighter and a Western fighter. I loved that at the beginning of that, especially that fight too. Those guys are both just murder machines.

I mean, the problem is for now, when does he fight again? Because Jones and Steepe, I don't know when that's going to happen. We're going to think it's going to be what, nine months? Probably 12 months, something like that. Steepe is no spring chicken with respect. Jones might come back and then retire, even if he beats him. I don't think he should. I think Jones... I mean, the perfect plan for John Jones would be go to heavyweight, become the champion, beat Steepe who's the greatest heavyweight, and then beat the number one contender, or now as we have an interim champion. I think if Jones doesn't fight Tom Aspinol and he retires, we know what everyone's going to say. I don't even need to say it, you know what I mean? So Jones, I think he's backs up against the wall if he beats Steepe, of course.

Can you imagine if John Jones beat Tom Aspinol after beating Steepe and then he retired? If he beat Tom Aspenal, I would just be.

Like.

That's a wrap for the goat conversation for sure, I would say.

But it's never going to happen. I'm sorry.

I don't think so either.

I think it's incredible. If you look at it on paper, Jones has never been a knockout artist with his hands. He takes people down, he wears them down. He has master game plans. The Fire tack who is through the roof, taking him down, taking Tom down? I don't know, he's a great wrestler. He probably could. He took DC down a couple of times. I think Tom could get back to the feet. But on the feet, I think Tom takes his head off. I really do. Jones has been caught a few times. That's a machine. Probably. And this is the thing about John Jones. This is how great he is. I'm going to go back to the Laoto-Machida fight to find out and highlight a time where he was hurt and wobbled, and I don't know when that was, 2012 or something. Do you know what I mean? I'm not ripping on Jones. I think he's incredible. But I did say John Jones could not hold a candle to Tom Aspinol, and it's starting to look like that.

Yeah, I think Tom Aspinol is an utterly nightmare matchup for anyone that's currently in the USC heavyweight division.

Yeah, yeah.

John Jones included. He doesn't have any weaknesses.

Yeah, but it's almost disrespectful to John Jones to say that. You know what I mean? We all know about the resume. We don't need to go through it. And Jones is legitimately hurt. Look at what he did to Cydral Garne, and then look at what Garne just did to spivac. Do you know what I mean? All this, we are getting ahead of ourselves. John Jones beat so many great people. And as I said, the fight IQ, the strategy, the wrestling. I mean, Daniel Cormier just outrestles everybody, but not John Jones. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Maybe I'm just excited. If you see this, John, don't come after me. Do you know what I mean? And the good news for me, go on.

I was just going to say, yeah, nothing against John Jones at all. Let me ask you this. Did you pick Tom Aspenov to win by stoppage? And if so, did you have him by knockout? Because I heard people saying that they had him by submission. I was like, Dude, Pavlovi has no neck. You know what I mean?

I didn't have him by knockout. I thought he would in and out like the way he was. I didn't think he was going to get clipped the way that he did. But then I thought he tried to do a double-legged takedown, and I thought he'd get my position and just smash him with elbows. I didn't realize that he had that power. I should have done because March and Tyboree dropped him with a beautiful one, too. He's got big, big power. I mean, he spored thousands of rounds with Tyson and Furi. And granted, okay, Tyson and Furi. Yeah, he spied with Tyson and Furi for years.

If I had no idea. I didn't know that.

Yeah, I think, Tom... I guess, Tyson's Furi, I guess his stock dropped a little bit because of the Engarnu fight. I also think that Furi, not taking away from Engarnu, I think Furi probably took him lightly and then paid the price there, still won the fight. Stockers dipped. I think he's going to come back and we'll have a rematch. And who knows who wins that? I thought Ingon, who won that fight. But the fact that Tom, sported him so much, I think Tom could go over to heavyweight boxing and do just fine. I think Tom Aspirin is going to go down in the future as one of the greatest combat sports athletes we've ever seen, certainly at heavyweight, because the heavyweights, there's not many guys. That's why, well, not Jones, he's been light heavyweight. That's why guys like Stipe, they stand out so much. I mean, who else has come into the USC and left this mark so quickly, so fast? I know we lost to Curtis Blades, that's because he blew his knee out.

Yeah, it's injury.

Yeah. Who else is that? I can't.

Think of anyone. Do you consider a loss? When you think about his record and you see that number, because I don't even... I just think of that as the same as blowing your knee out in practice almost, because it's not like Curtis did anything to win that fight.

Well, it's a legitimate win for Curtis, Blaze, because two men entered the octagon, and then it ended with Tom on the floor. You know what I mean? So whatever happens, yes, granted, Curtis didn't do it. It wasn't like Curtis kicked his knee out, but it is a win for Curtis. But I don't have it, to answer your question, a loss for Tom. It's a win for Curtis, but it wasn't a loss for Tom. I was going to say it's like John Jones where he has the disqualification. Yes, it's like that. Jones won that world. Well, Jones stopped him with an elbow. So it's a little bit different, but it's like that, you know what I mean? Oh, dear. -oh, dear. -it carries the same weight. -harendon, any final words? -it carries the same weight. -brian, any... Harrington or Brian, any final thoughts before we get onto the main event? Oh, they've run off.

No, you guys covered it, man. I'm just excited to see with the belt and waiting for that John Jones fight.

What did you think, Brian, looking at home, watching from home?

I thought Harrington was a big ball of class. In what way?

What do you mean?

I had just T-shirt and collared shirt. And they just showed Jared Leto 30 seconds before that, who's wearing more than our entire network is worth. Yeah. It's just hilarious to me.

Harrington, jump on and defend yourself. So, Jesse, I had two tickets, and I said, One for me, obviously. No offense. I said, but I can't. You know what I mean? I tried to get Bryan won as well. Harrington came. Bryan very graciously said, Harrington, you take it. And Harrington, you had the Legion of the Skanks vest on. You had a shirt. But Bryan saying you didn't make the effort.

I was true to myself, Mr. Bisping. I mean, you want me to go Hollywood because I'm hanging out one time next to the thing? That's who I am. I'm literally currently wearing a piece of merch. That's my whole wardrobe.

It also depends on where your seats were. Where were the seats?

From Row.

With all the fancy folks.

Yeah, all the specials.

I'm not going to lie, I did see suits worth more than a Mercedes there, and I was like, Man, I wish I'd gone to a men's warehouse. Yeah, I get it. Just rented a tux.

For it. You don't belong here. Oh, dear. Well, next time, Brian, you've got it. All right, Tom Aspenal. Oh, yeah, please.

For the Tom Aspenal thing, did you hear about him after the fight? What? He made the case for John Jones, but Cirol-Ghan came out, right? Cirol-ghan who famously said he had no interest in fighting him after USC Paris. He said, You're the hunted now, so I'm coming for you. Tom Aspenal laughed it off and said, You're going to need a number one contender fight at this point, and suggested Giles and Almeida.

Yeah, no, I did see that, and thanks for bringing it up. You can't blame Cirol-Ghan. He didn't want to fight behind himself in the ranking. Tom's now the champ, so that makes sense. I understand Tom's perspective. Tom's just going to need opponents. Whether it's Cyril-Ghan, whether it's Giles and whether they face each other and he fights the winner. I think Tom could turn it around pretty quickly. He didn't do a training camp. He took one shot to the face. He could come back whenever, so I don't know when that will be. Cyril-ghan is a big name. We could do that somewhere in Europe. I'm not sure when the next European USC card is, but if you could pick one guy right now for Tom to defend the interim title against, who would that be? And Hamilton and Bryan, I'll throw the same to you.

Let me ask you a question about that really quick, because I actually did a video about this yesterday, and I think I titled it something like the USC Heavyweight Division is. And I was saying that you have the linear champion, Francis, not in the organization. You have John Jones tied up, injured, and about to fight Steepe. You have arguably the best heavyweight now carrying the interim title. As soon as John Jones and Steepe fight, does the interim title go away? Because with Kolby and with Tony Ferguson, it just went away. And so does he defend the interim belt? Because it's probably going to be a... Like with John Jones, they said he's out 10 months. So does that mean that he could start training in 10 months or he can come back in 10 months? So it seems like he might defend the interim belt before John could come back and fight. I don't know. How do you think that's going to play out?

Yeah, I mean, you raise some good points, certainly. I wouldn't say it's F'd, but I get the sentiment. I understand the sentiment. Obviously, Angone would be an excited five, but they couldn't do a deal with him, and he's elsewhere. Did you see the part where somebody at the post-fight press conference was asking Dana about doing a cold promotion? Dana just lost his mind. He's like, What the fuck.

Are you, Tom? It's the fucking newest question ever.

It really is. I mean, why would he try and raise their profile? Exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to do. I think Tom is going to want to fight. He's fresh, he's young. I think he said to me that he's just got a new contract that he's extremely happy with. He said it's life-changing stuff, so I think you'll want to fight again ASAP. I think the USC, they want champions on fight because they need championship fights on pay-per-views. I think we'll see Tom. I think the front runner would be Cirol Garn. He's a massive man. He's got a country of France behind him. Yeah, he lost to Jones, but I think Tom and Cirol, that makes a great matchup.

It does. That's awesome about his new contract, too.

Isn't Tom suspended now?

Why would he be suspended?

I read something about his back injury is that something that was like, clickdate? I'm sorry for bringing that up.

Medical suspension.

After the doctor's- -Medical suspension for a few months, yeah.

Yeah, but medical suspensions from the doctors, they're not worth the air that we're breathing to say the sentence.

The commission doesn't be like, Oh, the doctor says you can't fight, so we say you can't fight.

All you've got to do is go to a doctor and they say it's clear, it's done, you're fine, and the suspension is gone. Or sometimes they might make it 30 days, 60 days, whatever. But if you go to a doctor and they say you're fine, then there you go. I wouldn't worry about a medical suspension. Harrington, your thoughts?

I was going to say you clear up the log jam, right? The thing that makes the most sense is Steve Amiochuk. He's not injured. He doesn't have anything going on. Have him come and fight Tom Aspect-and-all. You make the Jones fight either to unify the belt or you get Steepe out of the way. When Jones is healthy, Tom Aspinol is right there.

I.

Agree. Dana said that he went to dinner with Steepe, and Steepe is only interested in fighting John Jones. I mean, who knows? I agree with everything that you said. It just seems like relevant context.

Steepe does make the most logical sense. But if I'm Steepe, you got to think that he's at the edge of his career, retiring soon. I mean, the word is he's going to fight Jones and retire, win or lose. You want to fight Jones for legacy, for pay-per-view, for money? And of course, once you see Tom Asman all doing that, you're not going to go, Right, I'll risk everything to take Tom on. You're like, No, I only want to fight John Jones because if I lose that guy, it doesn't matter. I'm going to retire anyway. Did you see the reaction? The USC cut, I was losing my mind, losing my voice, and it goes along and everyone's like, wing, clapping and all the rest of it, and it gets to Steepe. And Stipe is just locked in like that. Did you see that?

I did, and Steepe, he's one of those guys that doesn't communicate what's going on internally very well externally, but you could just see it in him. I know Anthony's good buddies with him, and I know some other people that are close to him who told me that he wanted that Francis rematch so bad before Francis was out of the organization. He's just a savage. That guy is a... He is a savage man.

No, for sure. Let's do a four-shot, Brian. Friday night... Was it Friday night? Yeah, Friday night. I went out for dinner. Anthony texted me. He says, We're going to a club tonight if you want to come. I don't really fancy clubs. I said, What's it called? And he says, Bounce Sporting Club. I thought, Oh, it's a sports bar. It's not a club. He's doing an appearance at the sports bar. Myself and some of the guys fromTNT Sports. Johnny works on my YouTube channel. He's a character. We all went along. We went in there. And when we got there, I was like, Oh, no, this is a full-on nightclub. Anyway, the point of the story is we get in there. There's Anthony, Chris Weidman, Jon Volante, Al Jamey and Sterling, Steepe Meejic, and everyone. They were, shall we say, getting down. They were having a good time. I won't go into full details. There might have been a few shirts off, do you know what I mean? But they were enjoying themselves, and rightly so, me, like a good little boy, I had one beer and I bounced. But, Hamilton, you know this club well.

Yeah, it's funny. When I was in my early 20s, my friends and I would call it The Bounce House, and it was like a known... That's the spot you go to. It's the first spot after pre-gaming, between 11:00 and 1:00 AM, and it gets crazy at The Bounce House. Chances are you're not leaving. That's the last stop of your night.

This is Friday or this was after the event?

No, this is Friday. So someone said to me, Did you see, Steepe? He looks so pissed off. I'm like, I think there's a good chance he was just hungover and a little bit tired. Do you know what I mean? Don't read too much into everything. He's not sitting there stewing and all mad. Tom's become the interim champ. Nothing. No, he's probably like, Dude, it's one o'clock in the morning. I'm exhausted.

But, Brian, what are you thinking about-What do you think about cars? Speaking of what outfit you wear, depending on where you sit. So at U-of-C Miami, Mike can tell... Mike used to always see my wife and I at the shows. He's like, Dude, you come to every single show. But sitting in regular people's seats. At the Miami event, we were up with the NFL guys because we were there with Mike McDaniel, the golfing coach. And after the event, people were saying that, Izzy and some guys were going to this club. And I saw Ali and Camaro and all those guys, and they're all going to this club. And it's 2:38 in the morning. I remember that and just being like, Dude. It's 2:40 in the morning. So we got in our car and went back to Mike's house. And the next morning I saw the videos of Chuck Liddell in the middle, Izzy with his shirt off, all those guys were like, Those guys were raging at this club till 6:00 AM. And we're like, Damn, we fucked up. We should have gone to that thing. The whole entire US all went there and we didn't go.

Brian, what do you think of this narrative that Harrington is trying to paint? Like he was some big-time nightclub-goer in Manhattan. I was at the bounce house. Me and my crew, we used to get tables and bottles. Is this the Harrington that we know that shows up half-homeless?

At The Fights? Well, to be honest, Harrington has retired from partying because he did it too hard. I don't disbelieve that he used to spend an exceptional amount of hours in a degenerate nightclub.

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Yeah. It's crazy because the shots that he puts guys down with are so short. It's just like he could generate so much power with such little movement, and it doesn't even... What about the leg kicks, though? The first time he kicked Uri's leg, that's when I was like, Oh, wow. He might... I mean, Jeez. Because Uri is like a sturdy guy, and he just completely took his legs out from under him with the first kick. I was like, Wow, this guy is... And Yon was able to like... Actually, Anthony called me this morning because whatever happened between him and Alex were... I thought Anthony made some very non-negative comments about Perera moving up and then Perera took him wrong. I think it was just like a bad translation or whatever. And so I brought that up and I said something like, Well, it turns out Anthony was wrong about his power translating to light, heavyweight. So Anthony called me today. He's like, That's not what I said. I was like, All right. But yeah, it seems like he knocks people out at both weight classes just the same. You know what I mean?

To be fair, Uri had the right idea. After he ate a couple of calf kicks, he was walking him down because you can't throw calf kicks necessarily if you're going backwards. He was walking him down, pressuring, trying to take him down. I'm a massive fan of Uri. I love what he brings to the table. I think he's an original personality. He's very big. He's very strong. He's very wild. I think Saturday night, he was extra wild. The movement, he was all over the place. His hands were low. His hands are always low. I think for Uri, and this is not taking away from Alex's performance because other people haven't been able to beat Uri in the USC yet. He's got a few losses outside, but not for a long time. It's so unconventional. But those come... Those fundamentals are required. I would like to see Uri clean it up a bit, have the hands a little higher. Certainly when you're fighting somebody like Perera, a man that does have that power. Of course, the wide stance that Uri had, that's why he was eating those calf kicks, because when the legs are so wide, it's hard to pick one up.

If your legs are wide and you lift a foot, you're going to fall over because your weight is not distributed evenly. A few tweaks I would like to see from Uri going forward, but at the same time, you can't take away from what makes him great. But look at that. Look at that still there. Look how low the hands are. I mean, yeah, all right, granted, Perrears aren't exactly like a boxer, but that's hard to block a shot when your hands are that low. Now, granted, fainting the take down and all that type of stuff, I would like to see him just neat and things of a touch. But Perreara got the job done, those elbows against the fence. Let me ask you this, Jesse, when you were at home watching it live, and you would have had a better angle than me, because in the arena, I was on Fighters Row at Jamal Hill next to me. I sat next to Dustin Poirier. Nice. All the top guys were there. Everybody universally thought that that was an early stoppage because he tried for the takedown, landed some metal bars like Travis Brown did against Josh Barnett.

Oh, here we go. I'm glad you played this. Hold on. I thought right there because that brutality, that is a legit takedown defense. You're pushing forward with your hips, you force them to the back, and you landed them out. We all thought that it was bullshit. It turns out it wasn't. What was your initial thought?

I 100% thought it was early, because like you said, I thought that he was falling backwards and that he was going to try to skirt out the back and then turn around to take the back, go underneath his mouth. But, I mean, Uri saying it wasn't early, I think has equally as much to do with his fundamental ideology as it does his opinion on whether it was an early stoppage. I think he would say that no matter what because he doesn't want to take any... He doesn't want that hanging over the fight. But I definitely thought it was early, but he certainly seemed to be hurt. When I say I thought he was going to skirt underneath, I'm not saying that he intentionally went to his back. I think he did get hurt by one of those elbows. At least that's what it looked like on TV. But yeah, I thought he handled it really, really well. Have you watched the speeches after the fight since you got home? Because I don't think I've ever seen a person who was more emotionally distraught after a fight than Yeary look. He kept it together, but he looked very upset, like really genuinely upset.

Well, to your point, I think the fact that Juri conceded that he went out for a second, I mean, what a guy. So many lesser people would have tried to claim that that was an early stoppage than the referee should have let it go. We see it all the time. I mean, sometimes people legitimately get wiped out, beat into a pulp, and they still protest it. And for Uri, even everyone's looking on and thinking it might have been early, said, No, absorbed Marc Gaudd straight away, which by the way, Marc Goddard will be on Thursday show, so we can speak to him then. But it seems like it was a legitimate stoppage. I think everybody, when they watch it back, when they watch the replays, when they hear from Uri, that stops that conversation down there. But I just feel like I agree with what you said because he is very much of, and it's cliched, the Samurai code, you know what I mean? But he didn't want to take away from Alex's win, which I just thought was just such a show of honor and respect. Do you know what I mean? It's like, No, I don't want to do this.

I don't want to take away from his win. He just beat me legitimately. I went out for a split second. The referee did the right thing. What did you think, though, and Bryan and Harrington, what did you guys think about Pervera's call-out? What did you make of that?

I would love to talk about that. I did a video about this yesterday because I'll tell you how this video came about, too. I saw that Izzy had posted the meme online of Alex Perera with the Elsa wig on, and he said, I'm living in his head rent-free or something like that. Oh, yeah. And I saw that Alex Perera's response was, I was respectful to Izzy, and this was his response. The way that I obviously don't speak Portuguese, but the way I was reading his body language when he was talking is it turns out was exactly what he was actually doing. I'm like, I think that this is like a really not friendly, but he's trying to raise Izzy up. I called one of my Brazilian jiu-jitsu guys, and I called Victor Hugo and I asked him, I'm like, Did you see Perreira's post-fight speech? And he's like, Yeah. I was like, What was the tone of what he said versus what the interpreter said? He's like, Dude, the interpreter completely butchered it. He said that what Alex Perreira actually said was that he owes his career to Israel out of Sonia, that he had inspired him to get out of the bar and away from alcoholism and that he's an incredible rival, he's an incredible talent, and that he's so talented we should have him back.

Victor told me that when he first started talking before he said, he thought he was talking about Glovert to Cherith and about his own team. It was super respectful. And then at the very end, he said, Israel, he said, Addasany come to Daddy. And then the interpreter butchered it. And so, Azzy thought he was talking shit that whole time and then said come to Daddy. And then he responded on Twitter that way. I thought that's just sad. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I mean, to be fair to Alex calling out Izzy, the reality is they're one-a-piece, right? They're one a piece. But there's Jamal Hill. Jamal Hill has to be the guy. Never mind Israel, La de Sonia, but the reality is they are one each. They've got to do the rubber match. And listen, Izzy is going to do what he can. He got called out. He's got every right to respond. But the score is 3-1. Yeah. The score is 3-1. It's in Perre's favor. What did you guys think?

Do we know how long Jamal is out for?

He's training.

He's training already.

All right. He's training right now? Yeah. Wow. With a torn... I saw him. Did you saw him? Was it all the way? Was it torn all the way through?

I have no idea.

We saw him walking around the other day. -i know he's in the gym. -he looked fine.

He's walking normally. I was in the PI a couple of weeks ago, and he was doing some circuit training and do some jumping stuff and things like that. He's back in the gym. He's training, so it won't be too long. Who knows? Maybe a few months. But that has to be the one. Jamal Hill, Alex Perera, Jamal came out and rightly so, very confident. He said he doesn't think that either of those guys can issue him a problem. He thinks he'll walk through both of them. It is a big statement. He also listed himself as the number one boxer in all of mixed martial arts. Again, big statement. Thoughts over the top. The panel at the top, what are your thoughts?

The peanut gallery up here. Here's the thing, I did hear that thing about the bar, but I thought that was a subtle dig at Izzy too, because back in 2020, Izzy said in an interview, I don't think about Alex Ferreira. That guy is going to be in some bar somewhere watching me live my dream, talking about how I beat that guy up. Perera said he did actually see that, and it dragged him into MMA. I felt like that was a callback to like, This is an ongoing rivalry. You brought me here. I'm your nightmare. You can't get away from me just because I'm a 205.

I.

Totally understand.

Yeah, but Victor, the guy who translated it for me is the four-time ultra-heavyweight IBJF world champion. He's from Brazil and he's a world champion. There's no way that he misinterpreted the tone, you know what I mean?

Well, I will say this. Fabiano, the USC's interpreter, he's one of the best in the business. He's very, very good. That's a thick dude, right? No, he's the slender guy.

Oh, the guy with the cloth?

The slick hair. Fabiano is great. He's awesome. I don't know, Jesse. I don't know. I don't know.

Victor said, don't blame the translator because he's like, Alex was talking for a really long time. It's hard to remember. He wasn't saying the translator did a bad job. It's hard to remember all the shit that they said, but it just didn't get communicated that he did it really respectfully as well.

Did anyone see that, Cael Sonnan said that Alex has shown that he hasn't got any better since he came to the USC. But he was giving him credit saying how great he is, but he hasn't got any better. I don't know about that. I mean, he got taken down from Yambihovitch. He got back to his feet. He beat Yambihovitch. He beat Israel out of Sania. He knocked out Sean Strickland. He just beat Uri.

From underneath Uri too.

Yeah, no, he did. He did. And I thought he did a good job on the ground as well of not taking too much damage. Uri landed a couple of elbows at the end of the first round, but for the most part, tied him up well, blocked a lot of shots, had some good risk control. Yeah, man. Yeah.

Who was that fight that he had early on? I can't remember if it was his first or second fight, but the guy took him down and made it pretty ugly the first. And then he landed the flying knee to knock him out, right?

There was.

One guy that... Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it seems.

Like he's-Yeah, Bruno Silver as well. Bruno Silver flies under the radar. He is a wild, explosive fighter, but he does have some takedown ability, so he's definitely improved since then. But Cael Sonner, you got to love that guy who's not a fan of Cael. I love the shit he comes out with. So next fight, Jamal Hill, Alex Perera. What do you think?

What matchups do you think at 205 present the most obvious problems for Alex Perera?

Let's have a look at the rankings. I don't know. I mean, you need wrestlers. He's shown on the feet, he can more than hold his own, let's be honest. I don't think anyone on the feet is really going to give him any an issue.

Anko Lyev jumps off the page at first, I think.

Oh, God, yes. Anko Lyev, definitely. We've got obviously, Jamal is still as the champ, so this is a little bit of a date. But Jamal, Yiri, obviously that's Alex. So Jamal, he's going to be next. Yiri, perhaps he just got beat. Magamed Anko Lyev, definitely an issue. Yambihovych have been there before. He was pissed off as well. He was fired up afterwards. He was. He was really fired up. I think all of them, to be honest, are tough matchups. I don't think... I mean, he might be able to knock them all out, but I don't think any of them would be mismatches on paper.

Even.

Our very own, Anthony Smith.

Give it to him. Alex has a bad way to get off of a win.

What's that?

Harrington? I said he's the only one ranked as high as he is coming off of a win. Just saying.

Yeah, but we can't say that otherwise we are going to get caught by this. But I think if Anthony gets one more win and if he keeps talking shit about Perrara, you never know.

You never know. Maybe he can start actually talking shit now. Like now he can actually talk shit.

-proper shit. Yeah, I just said that. Do a YamblaHovitch because Yamblaovitch, I forget what he said now in some tweets, but.

He wasn't happy. He called them slimy or something like that. He called them slimy and something. I don't know. Like I was saying, I'd never seen him talk about anyone like that before. It seems so out of character. I was reading it like this is either he really got this mad or this is just someone finally advising him smart in terms of putting himself in the mix for the fight.

Yeah, well, listen, either way, well done to Alex Perera. Let's have a look, here we go. This is light, heavyweight. He said, I see I need to clarify. What's the tweet before that, Brian? Because he's clarifying now. Yeah, the one before it is, I think, where I think where he went full Connor McGregor, shall we say.

No, these are not. Speaking of that, I don't know if that's on your list to talk about, but Connor went hard at the Daegasian crew yesterday.

Because of testing positive?

Yeah, Oostman.

What was he saying?

He attributed to an affront on their religion. He said that Khabib's father would be rolling over in his grave, just all this stuff where you're like, Jeez, man, there's just nothing off the table when that guy wants to talk shit.

Yeah, well, there never is. And then he was at it last week as well. I was in New York. I was going to do a video on it because when he was been popped, Oh, no, sorry, Islam. I didn't know about this. He pulled up, Islam McHishif failed the Eusadah test. He did? 2014 or 15. Yeah. I think a fight against Due Dober got pulled.

I had no idea about that.

Yeah, but then later he was cleared. Apparently, he had some... What was it? With me, I forget the name of it. He had some condition where he had to take a medication, which can give performance enhancing properties, but apparently it was so tiny, it was such a small amount and the doctor prescribed it. So he was... You had to look at all the case and said, No, he's fine. Yeah, Conor was bringing that up last week as well. As you say, he never misses an opportunity.

How big is the list, like when you're in the organization and fight... The USADEL, I mean, ofthings that you can't take, is it just enormous the number? Because sometimes you hear about things people pop for and you're like, What? You know what I mean?

You just got to be careful. I mean, Jeff Nowitzki, he told me a while ago, even on the listed ingredients, you've got to be careful because a lot of these supplements get made at the same plant, the same factories. There might be one substance that goes through the processing machine, shall we call it, through the processing plant, and then they finish that batch and then they start with a new product. But sometimes the first few tubs can be contaminated from the last product they were making because they never cleaned it down quite properly. And they said that is actually a real thing that does happen. So you just got to be super, super careful. But anyway, what do we know? I've never tested positive, so I wouldn't know too much about that, Jesse. All right, this episode is sponsored by Kudos Popcorn. You've probably seen it because they are the official protein popcorn of the USC. Each bag of popcorn has 10 grams of whey protein isolate inside every bag. By the way, this thing is keto friendly, and for a limited time, you guys can get 25% off the entire order with the code BELIEV at kudosnacks.

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Okay, so there is a thing these scientists are saying that essentially the sun will let off these massive blasts of energy, and it could take from the point the blast happens till it reaches Earth, could take between 24 and I think it was 36 hours. In that time, we'll have to shut down pretty much all electricity, right? They said it would fry computers absolutely decimate pretty much anything electrical. They said it's happened one time before in the 1800s, and it fried telegraph lines.

The last time this happened, it was called the Karrington event. And what in.

Shit- The Karrington event?

Almost the Karrington event. And people were picking up radio signals in their teeth and shit. Things were going on fire. People were picking up their telephone lines and getting other people's calls. It was an insane event.

When was that? Could it set off nuclear weapons by themselves? Are they saying that this is going to happen?

Yeah. This is set to happen. I thought, Brian, when you turn the microphone on, I thought, because obviously Nostradamas has predicted lots of things. I thought we were going to get a category A conspiracy from Brian there because-Well, this is just a real-Let's think about this. The government wants to shut down all electronic telecommunication.

No, no, no. This is.

How- Like gas or Ukraine or someone from the face of the earth. And then when it all comes back on, Oh, I had no idea this was going to happen. I thought you were going to say something like that, Brian.

No, this is the universe shooting on us. There was the Kareachit event. We didn't shoot those nukes off.

This is how crazy just the universe is. This is just the universe trying to shit all over us. This is just... And this happens.

This is like a. When was the Cabrington event?

1959?

1958? 1959?

How often does that... Are they projecting that it's going to happen soon?

So what they're saying is right.

Now- We're at solar maximum.

Yeah, the sun goes through cycles. So this is its biggest point right now. They said within the next decade, there's a one in 10 chance this will happen. They said our early detection system, we'd be able to catch the blast that it emits before the initial burst of energy will be enough in our warning systems to tell us to essentially shut everything down. You have nine minutes. No, it said between 24 and 48 hours.

So it's just like, go Stone Age for the next two days.

Yeah. They said it could last for up to months.

Your unpowered electronics will be powered.

That's what happens.

So the situation here, obviously, a lot of bad can come from this. I don't want to go down. I don't want to be unsympathetic. When I saw this headline and I sent it into the notes, we have a little group, so I sent it through because I was like, it said all it said in the headline that I saw, the internet is going to go down for three months. Now, granted, that can cause all kinds of issues. But I was like, Do you know what? Three months without the internet, that sounds amazing. I know, granted, we all scroll, we all use our phone too much, and we need to send e-mails, and we need communications, and we need this and that, and all the rest of it. But I was like, Do you know what? The 90s was fucking awesome. Pre-internet. I was like, Do you know what? I think it would do mankind the world of good. Now, granted, a lot of bad would come, but a lot of people would be less addicted to their phones.

Yeah, I feel like my YouTube adsense would be pretty bad for those three months, but aside from.

That it'll be good. Yeah, no, exactly. The YouTube businesses are going to plummet. Believe you me, he's going to go down the toilet. But still, I think we all use our phones too much. Jesse, what was the last recording on your... Not recording, but you don't let me tell you the amount of hours on your phone, your daily average. Come on. Come on.

It's bad, dude. It'll say... The number, I think, has to be including other people on my family plan because it'll be like... Sometimes it says like 11 hours. What did yours say?

Yeah, mine's pretty bad as well. Mine's bad sometimes, but it can't possibly... I mean, to be fair, I always say this. I make myself feel better because I'm like, Well, this is work. I'm doing emails. I'm doing a lot of things on the phone, but we are all addicted to the screens far, far, far too much. What would be the worst thing, Brian? Because I know you've got doom and gloom, straight disaster. What would be the worst thing that could happen if the Karrington event lived up to its expectations?

Karrington event to Electric Boogiealoo would definitely ruin... Your life would change instantly and dramatically. Your bank would be non-existent. Your phone wouldn't work. Your house would probably light on fire because of all the metal and electronics inside of it.

That sounds pretty bad.

It's apocalyptic. When this happens, it is the end of everything that we know.

What is your official stance on this, Brian?

That's.

Not good.

My official stance?

No, no, no. In the likelihood of this happening, because I feel like if this was going to happen, it would have been a bit of a bigger deal than just randomly popping up on a wheel on my Instagram feed.

The problem with something like this.

Is- Do you know what I mean? I think the news would be reporting on this a little bit more.

Now we can get into tinfoil hat stuff. I don't think that... If you ever see Don't Look Up, they pretty much talk about this and that where it's like, the public can't handle the end of the world. We would all turn into very violent chimps for those last few days. I don't think that the people in charge, if they knew that this would happen and it was going to be that catastrophic, would tell anybody. It would just have to happen because those people would be getting their shit together for when the shit hits the fan and we're back to Planet of the Apes. Yeah, you wouldn't tell people.

I would tell them- I would sound like a good little boy. Well done, Jesse. You may have the floor.

I would counter that only because the fundamental infrastructure that society runs on is why all of the elites are the elites. It's like if all the regular folks lose their banking, lose their access to food and every other thing, they're coming for them. You know what I mean? If we really do have a warning system where it's just like, Shut everything down, everybody's going to find out about that inside 24 hours, most likely.

Well, that's where you get PMCs involved. What's a PMC? A private military corporation. So all these people that have all this money are going to be prepared.

They won't just be.

Like every man for himself.

Do you think this is the mass call that certain people are calling for saying that there's too many humans on planet Earth, and they're going to dress it up, buy it a solar flare.

Well, this isn't something you can plan. No, if this happens, it's not something we planned or we did. This is just, like I said before, the universe literally pooping on us.

Yeah.

So it's just like a circumstance thing.

Alpha 1, I'm just going to throw it out there. I hope this doesn't happen. I'll keep my screen addiction. Okay, I'll carry on looking at Instagram for three months because that sounds bad. That sounds really bad. Okay, then. Mckenzie, Dern versus Jessica and Draj to get the show back on a stable footing. Mckenzie went out there, looked very, very good in the round one. Started getting a little bit more sloppy, shall we say, was carrying the chin a little high. The jab was working well for her. I gave her round one. I thought she looked good. Jessica and George, was it the second round she got the stoppage? I think it was, right? Yeah. Drop her four times. I will say fair play to Andrade. Sorry, fair play to McKenzie Doe, to pick yourself up off the canvas three times takes a lot of courage. And George coming into this one was under a lot of pressure. She lost three in a row. All stoppages. I thought she was very mature because it's easy to follow an opponent down when you drop them. Every time she was like, No, get back to your feet, get back to your feet.

Then we got the stoppage later in the round. Great performance from Jessica and George. What were your thoughts, Jesse?

I.

Thought- Oh, look at that.

What a left hook. I know, man. I have thoughts in two different categories. One just being McKenzie, it seems like her striking improves, but she clearly likes to have her head up like this. It seems like such a... Let me ask you, actually, because you would know better than me. Why do fighters sometimes just refuse to just train and start doing this? It seems like they just have their head stuck up like this every single fight, even when they start getting caught. It doesn't seem like it's that big of an adjustment to make to just... Why do you think they do that?

The reason is until... That's why in training, a coach will be like, Your chin's up. Your chin's up. Personally, you don't think that it is. That's why filming sparring sessions is a good idea, because sometimes within yourself, you can disagree with what the coach is saying. You're carrying your left hand low. I used to get that a lot. I'm like, No, I'm not. No, I'm not. It's there. And then you see the footage back and you're like, Oh, shit, I was. So it's that thing. So I don't think Andrade... Sorry, McKenzie was aware of it, and that's a bad habit that's been allowed to fester throughout the training camp, you know what I mean? Her hands were improving. She's world-class at jiu-jitsu. She's not training with Jason Perilloow anymore. I know Dean Thomas and Joe Regan had some comments about that throughout the thing, but I don't want to shit on Mackenzie Derby. She's a lovely girl. She really is. Jessica and George is a beast. She landed the heavier shots. Mckenzie couldn't get the take down. If you can't get the take down, you've got to stand with Jessica and George. Regardless of who you are, that's not an easy thing to do.

Certainly with the chin a little high, a little exposed, you get carried away, the adrenaline takes over and you start to get wild.

She's got nuclear power. The other thing I was saying on the other categories, just that... And obviously a blessing to both you and I have never had to go through this, but with McKenzie going through a divorce and dealing with the thing with her kids, I just always wonder about that. That has to be such a crushingly heavy emotional thing to be dealing with and then to try to simultaneously switch camps, focus on training, and really be efficient with what you're doing at practice. That just seems like a lot for anybody to be dealing with and come out your best for a fight. Do you agree.

With that? Juliana Pena, she was sat right behind me, so we were having a good chat. She was a good company, actually, to be fair. She was a lot of fun. She was saying how messed up it was that they got matched up against each other because they both went through divorces. I don't know if you saw it, Jessica and George were saying that the reason she... I think that was a fifth, five this year or fourth, fourth or fifth this year, she said because she cost her a lot of money through the divorce. And of course, McKenzie went through a divorce as well. But to your point to answer the question, going through personal troubles affects your fight career. It affects the discipline that you have to go to the gym. If your mind isn't right, you're not going to fight the best. Simple as that. Fifth fight this year, Aaron. Fifth fight this year. Yeah, it's a lot of emotional baggage to be carrying around. I think we saw that from McKenzie when she fought Angela Hill, because Angela Hill, it was a great performance against her. It was a five round dominant decision, and she was angry.

She was mad. She beat the living shit out of her, you know what I mean? But she was definitely a little emotional. And being emotional in a fight is not going to help you. It just isn't. And I learned that the hard way. Took me to almost 40 years old to figure out that getting mad is not the best way to have a fight. It's just isn't. And yeah, well done to Jessica. Mckenzie Dermot will be back. Who do you think next for Jessica and George? No.

I actually got confused about this. I thought it was a strawweight, right? Like someone... Because I thought it was a strawweight, yeah. I said that wrong on my channel yesterday, the day before, and someone corrected me. Andrade-what's that? -i don't know. She could fight the other girl from China. That'd be a really interesting fight.

Yang-jau-nang?

Yeah.

Yeah, she just beat by her.

Oh, that's who beat her. Hang on, let me see. So Tatiana.

Suarez- Tatiana beat the last, I think, as well. To be fair to McKenzie, she's been fighting very, very tough opposition.

Yeah. I thought you were saying Andraj. Are we talking about who should Andraj fight next to McKenzie?

Yeah, Andraj.

Carlos Spars is the number one, but that's the only one she hasn't lost to before that's in that same ranking class as her.

That's actually a good shot, Harrington.

That's a good call.

Yeah.

That's a good call. All right, there you go. Carly is a tiny human. I stood right next to her after 274, and the belt is as big as her torso. I was like, It's so crazy. You see him on television and everybody looks the same size. She's just such a little savage and such a small body, you.

Know what I mean? Yeah, I know. She's great. There we are, exposing our lack of knowledge on the women's divisions. Jessie is, I'm tired. Okay, my brain's not working properly. I should have pulled an Anthony Smith and called in sick today. Let me see. Benoît Sondrini got an incredible start page. That headkick was phenomenal. I think he's going to go a very, very long way. Call that Dustin Pauyer, who I said he was sat next to me. He just smirked. He wasn't offended. You got to do that. He called out just to engage you. Who else did he call out? But what were your thoughts?

Gamrock.

Oh, yeah, Gamrock too. Yeah. And then he said he's a Special Forces guy from France, and he thanked the United States for saving France's ass in World War II. He was completely serious. I just thought that was so gangster for some reason. It was like, well, because.

He's like, He's that hard- -It's a good way to kiss ass in America. Let's be honest. Yeah, I know.

Yeah, but he pulled it off completely, totally serious. I was like, Damn. I even put on Instagram, I'm like, Well, I'm rooting for this guy forever now. Yeah, he's really. He's a tough motherfucker, man.

He's going to go a very, very long way.

I felt bad for Matt Fravola. This dude is a... I mean, he feels like he should be a way class up, to be honest. He's like a little.

Big for the nation.

Chantanay? Yeah.

Yeah. Has he ever missed? Probably not.

I think his first fight in the USC, though, was a short-notice fight at Walter Wade. So I think he does have some 170 experience. He did say he wanted the main event for when the U-of-C goes back to France.

Yeah, that would be... He's earned that shot. He has. And then opening up the main event, Diego Lopez absolutely smoked Pat Sabatini, which is not an easy thing to do. Diego Lopez, I mean, what's that? Three fights now? Three fights, I think, in the U-of-C. Lost his first one, won his second. That one there again, another very, very quick finish. Keep an eye on that name. Diego Lopez, he is going to go very, very far. A featherweight division. I think it's not going to be long.

Yeah, he's fast, man. That guy is super fast. I loved his tattoo. I was talking about you with Gabriel because his tattoo says, Believe... Or itsays, dream, believe, and then make it happen. No. I was like, That's his exes across his chest. I'm pretty sure it's, Dream, believe, achieve. I'm like, Yeah, look at... Watch Michael bisby quote, This is the funniest shit ever. I showed her a short of you saying it to Rockhold? Because of his tattoo across his chest.

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Yeah, I think it was Friday night. There was a large demonstration because I know they shut down Grand Central, actually, with their actions. They were taking to the street looking for justice in Palestine, and the USC van came along. I guess it was doing a media appearance or something like that. But I know Jamal Hill was on there. Robbie Lawler was on there, a number of other fighters. And the pro-Palestinian crowd surrounded the bus, made it so that they couldn't move, and then just started banging on the windows to the point where they actually cracked the glass. Jamal Hill was live on Instagram, purported.

Let's have a listen. Bus being attacked right now by some protest or something that's going on. They're throwing and breaking our windows.

And all this and that.

You know like... Stay, please. If any of my people down here downtown and you really got me, bro, come get these people up off our bus, bro. He's by himself.

He's about to get caught.

You.

Know what I mean? Let me.

Get to stay.

Calm right now.

This is something.

Hitting me in my face, bro.

We're bumping glass. We're bumping glass, bro.

Something hit me in my face, bro. We're hitting a fucking glass. We're bumping the glass.

What's up?

Something hit me in my face.

We're.

A bunch.

Of people in.

My face. We got to pull it up coming right now. It's going to come. It's a very strange time in our history. Anyway, so there we've got Jamal Hill losing it, fired up with a piece of somehow hit him in the face or something hit him in the face. I don't blame him. But the reports have come out on that bus was also a ruthless Robbie Lawler. I've heard some people told me, because there's a few USC fighters on the bus and people are mad, people are angry. They're like, Well, kick their asses, whatever. And the whole time when Jamal was losing his shit or whatever, Robbie Lawler is just sitting there going, Everyone stay calm. Conserve your energy. Because if we're going to have.

To fight, we're going.

To have to fight a lot of people. So just conserve your energy. And I'm like-What a gangster? What a badass. It's like a fucking demon. It's like, No, conserve your energy, because if it goes off, it's going off big. I think someone else said as well. They got to realize, what's.

That movie? This is when we realize.

I'm not locked in here with you. The watchmen. You're locked in here with me. Do you know what I mean? It's like, bro, guys, they're not in danger. If shit hits the fan, you've fucked with the worst bus in all of New York City. That's not a bunch of little schoolgirls. It's not a bunch of bloody, I don't know, train spotters or anything like that. That's got the baddest men in the planet in a bus coming back.

For an appearance. Yeah, Harrington. The follow-up to the story, the USC people, their security team, and their personnel actually made it to the bus and were able to get the guys off safely before NYPD was able to hit the scene. So good on the U. Of. C.

Were taking care of their fighters. Yeah. Thanks for that essential piece of information, Harrington. We were having a really nice, flabby conversation there. We were having a good laugh. The security showed up and did their job, and that's that.

And the NYPD didn't. Any chance to shit on NYPD, I'm here.

Hypothetically, let's say that the pro-Palestine protesters was like a wave of World War Z zombies. How many of them are unconscious before they can overwhelm Jamal and Robbie Lawler together? I'm telling you, it would look like the beginning of Lord of the Rings with Sauron just.

Swinging and people just going flying. That's what it would look like. It would be hilarious. It would be, I mean, I don't know. It wouldn't be.

A fair fight, let's be honest, you know what I mean? Anyway, we don't want to get into all of that stuff because it's bloody awful what's going on there. We stay away from it for obvious reasons because people come here to listen to me talk about how tired, how bad my voice is, and how hungover I am sometimes. Harrington, we're going to keep this as a much, much shorter show today for obvious reasons. I just went into them. What's the big breaking story or what news have we not got to just yet? Yeah, so one piece of breaking news, actually, it's hitting everywhere on Twitter and Instagram this morning.

Leon Edwards made a statement, says that after he beats Colby, Covington, the only thing he's interested is a shot at the winner of Dreecus versus Sean Strickland at 185. I was thinking that now that Izzy is a middleweight champion, that might open the door for you.

Wanting to move up. Yeah, 100 %. Definitely. Is that on the cards? Yeah, 100 %. I feel, especially with someone like Strickland, and I think he's fighting Duplicity soon, so any of them too, would be great to fight. How do you think you match up with those big boys? Perfect. I'm big myself, so I feel like - Yeah, you're not small. Yeah, I feel like that would be perfect. I feel like me, you're going out there and be a double champ. First ever from the UK in a way to do it. That's definitely one of my goals. -really? -that's on the cards for sure. Rough time frame do you think? Well, fair play to him. Listen, you can't hate on that because he's got to be confident going up against Kolby. It's going to be a tough fight, but I feel like he's going to pull it off. We'll see. And other people are getting opportunities to do this. Left, right and center. Volkinovsky just had two shots in a row. So you can't blame Leon Edwards for wanting to do that. And to the point of him saying that I'm big, he is. I've said this before, sat down, I think it was about a year ago at USC, something, whatever it was, and I was sat next to Izzy and there was someone next to him.

Izzy and the person, which was Leon Edwards, was standing up. And I thought, That's Leon. I'll say, Hi. Then I thought, It can't be Leon. It must be somebody that looks like Leon because he was so tall. So Leon, when he's next to him, he's a.

Big, tall boy. What do you think about that? I think that the reason I was smirking is I was just thinking that Balal Muhammad must just think that there's a conspiracy to just troll him into the ground about his title shot. He must be so pissed when he sees that. He's like, Are you fucking serious? I've won 10.

Straight fights. I don't think Leion is going.

To get to decide- You bring up a good point to be fair. Yeah. You bring up a good point because-I don't think they're not going to do that fight, I don't think, at middleweight.

But him going for it, why not? But you don't think they'll give it to him, do you? No, who knows? But it all depends what happens, what the landscape is, if you know what I mean. You never know. I don't think so. But crazy things have happened. To your point, though, I'm glad you brought up Bilal because he's already tweeted about it. I think he said, and I'm paraphrasing something like, This just proves that they're scared because Colby wants to go up to 185 as well. Leon's talking about 185 and Bilal, of course. He's doing his thing. He's talking shit. He's stirring the pot. I think he has won a lot of fights. He said, Yeah, this.

Just proves that they're scared. Talk to me about that one, though. What do you think? Leon versus Kolby. What are your thoughts on that? Man, it's such a hard fight to predict as far as I can tell, just because the two factors that I think really play in a big way are, I think in a pure, forget about cardio and any other things, striking match. I think Leon is going to land a lot of shots on Kolby just with a straight one-two, great kicks, too. But when you look at the first Camaru fight with... I'm sorry, not the first one, the second one of the three, it seemed like in that fight, up until the headkick, Camarow was able to wear Leon down with.

Pressing him against the fence and then getting the take down. And Kobe is so good at that. It's really hard for me. I wouldn't feel confident picking either guy. Yeah, I'm leaning towards Leon, the way that he dealt with Camaru the second time. Well, sorry, the third time. But you never know Camar was coming back from being knocked out cold. That's why that was a gangster move for Camaro to do that, to step right back in the ring and get someone that.

Put him to sleep, because that will have an effect on you. But still, I'm English. I'm going to root for our guys. I always do.

But I can look at it objectively. Well, I'm going to say Camar, who has been boxed, Colby, Covington out. I don't think that Leon Edwards is going to have a problem at all. Yeah. I think that Colby, the main approach is that he is like an energizer Bunny. He never stops coming. The pace is ridiculous. Leo is just going to maintain separation at all times. Because if Colby gets in on a single, on a bodylock, on any clinch, he chain wrestles one to the next to the next to the next, and he never ever, ever stops coming. It's going to be a fun one, though. And that night, by the way, I'll be doing tails from the octagon too. So myticket. Co. Uk if you want a ticket and we will be joined on stage by the champ, Tom Aspenola, and Paul Craig. It's funny, Tom messaged me just before, he said it just occurred to me. He said, F*cking hell. Could you imagine if I still had to do that show? And I just got knocked out against Serge. I'm like, No, I know. I said, I did think about that eventuality, Tom, but fortunately, that didn't happen.

You're the champ. So that's going to be amazing. Myticket. Co. Uk, December 14th and December 16th. And on the 16th, Leans, Fyth, and Colby.

And also that night, Tony.

Ferguson will be returning againand it's Paddy-to-Patty. And have you seen who Tony's training with? David Goggins. David Goggins. Harrington, do we have any footage or anything like that? Or is it just... I've been seeing a lot of footage of Tony Ferguson throw it up and stuff like that being pushed to the limit by David Goggins. David Goggins, he was recruited by John Jones, remember when.

He came back and fought Cyril Garn? And if anyone's going to talk to you about getting your mind right, David Goggins is the man. Yeah. The fact that he can torture train Tony to... In fairness, I don't know if Tony made himself puke a lot when he was training also, but it just seems crazy because Tony is known for just training all day, every day.

Goggins is just a machine. Let's have a.

Look.

Here. Let's see this. Come on, man. Come on, Tony. Come on. Goggins is there. I mean, it all depends what he's done.

Before that, because Goggins is there.

They're striding fast. They're marching up the treadmill on a serious incline. But Goggins is taking it well. He's still talking, he's still coaching. So before that, Ferguson must have been running sprints or something like that, you know what I mean? And it's not surprising because as we know, Tony does like these very strange, curious workout methods. However, I have seen a few people talking about it, about Goggins not being the right fit, long-distance runs, long-distance running, things like that. This is 15 minutes. 15 minutes of high output, fast work, sprinting, power, things like that. I mean, Goggins will help get your mind right, but I'm not sure if running ultra marathons across Africa is necessarily what's going to give you the best version of your sofa 15 minutes. That's fair. Yeah, I just think like... I'm seeing two minutes of a training camp, so I can't say what else he's doing, but I definitely think that if there is a part of Tony Ferguson's game that I never factored into any time I was trying to predict a fight, it was, is he.

Going to run out of gas? Tony Ferguson just seemed to be a guy who had endless cardio, so I don't know. Again, he could just be doing his cardio stuff and then he's doing a bunch of other stuff related to sharpening up his skills. I have no idea, but yeah, I think the main thing for Tony Ferguson and that David Goggins can help with is the mind. Obviously losing six in a row, that's a fated confidence. It just is. It doesn't matter who you are. Tony Ferguson is a warrior. He's been in there with some of the best in the world.

He's a legend of the game. He truly is. But losing six in a row, you've got to respect the man. It takes a lot of balls to keep stepping back in there. Certainly when people are saying that you're done, people are saying that you need to retire. If there's one man on planet Earth that's going to help fix this, I'd say David Goggins is that person. You never know, Tony comes back, gets a win against Paddy Pimlet, and it's not a crazy bad matchup for him. Hey, listen, if Tony can pull it off, fair play to the man. During your career, if you had to pick a single fight where you felt like you were most under pressure related to your career when then you came back and you won the fight, could you pick one out easily?

I mean, there was a lot. There was a lot, to be fair. Certainly when I came back with the eye injury, that was mentally tough, just getting adjusted to that. When I got knocked out, called off Dan Henderson, and then I fought at.

Usc 1-5 against Dennis Kang, a man that was a very tough fight on paper, but didn't have the fan recognition to the casuals. I was like, Shit, I'm fighting a tough guy here that a lot of people don't know about, but he's had an amazing career in Pride. I think that was a tough one coming back from a vicious knockout like that, which Tony's done. I mean, look at that front kick against Michael Chanler. I was there for that one. He got choked out against Bobby... Not Bobby Green, who was it last time? -who choked him out? - Bobby Green. It was Bobby Green, yeah. Yeah. He's in a tough spot, and I think working with David Goggins is a good.

Choice, actually.

Now I'm talking myself into it. We're going to do a short show today. There's going to be no questions because I'm knackered. I've got no voice.

Jesse, where do people find you?

The YouTube channel. Talk to me about that stuff, man, because that is blowing up all the time. I'm trying, man. Jesse on Fire, YouTube channel, and on Instagram, real Jesse on on Twitter, real Jesse on Fire. Fire. Yeah, what we we do. Just to put out content and talk about all this nonsense. Nonsense. And don't hold hold No, I do not.

I don't. You do not one little bit. Thanks for jumping on today. We'll be back on Thursday with Mark Goddard. Maybe Tom Tom I'm going to reach out to him. I don't want to bother him. Do you know what.

I mean? He's like, Fucking Fucking.

Hell, Mike. Me alone.

I know we're friends, but you're taking the piss now. Now. Mark will join us. Anthony will be back. Hopefully, Tom or somebody will be joining us as well. Herringbone. If you're listening to iTunes and Spotify, where we find podcasts, make sure that you're subscribed to the channel. Leave us a five-star rating positive review. It really helps us out. If you're watching on YouTube, make sure.

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I appreciate it. You've been carrying me along. And I apologize to you all. I'm not myself, man. I'm so tired. I'm out of it. I can't think straight. So if you're still here and you're still watching, I appreciate you very much. But Thursday we'll be back with a killer show. Jesse, you're the man. Thank you.

Thank you.