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And I'm Alvin.

And I'm Frantzel.

And this is Morbid with a little crossover.

Affirmative murder is here.

Man.

First of all, I have to let you guys know that we're bringing in behind the closed curtain. We're going to open that curtain up like, Whizz. You guys are fulfilling something for me and Fran. We've been beefing for years now. Oh, no. I guess years. Whenever I came on and guested, had a great time.

Oh, yeah.

But, Fran, wasn't able to make it for scheduling reasons. And he's been holding that over my head since that time has happened. He's been very aggressive and saying all kinds of passive-aggressive things. We've come to blows almost several times. So it feels good to get a redo and have the full quartet here. And so I want to say thank you, Fran. Please speak and let the people know that you're real.

Yeah, I am real. It's an honor to be on here with you guys. I would say the Queens of True Crime podcast. Oh, my God.

Thank you. Yeah.

So I think the last time-I got to turn red. Yeah, I think the last time, Alvin maybe hired somebody to flap my tires, so I couldn't go last time. You can't prove that. That's why I didn't make it. You can't prove that. I'm happy to be here, though.

We're happy to have you. We're happy to have you. We're happy to have you guys. I love that As soon as we got on, I was like, Fran is here. We get to meet Fran. The whole crew is here. We had so much fun collabing with Alvin last time, but we were like, We need a Fran.

Something felt like it was missing a little bit.

It's his fault. It's his fault. Let's blame it on him.

We'll blame it on Alvin.

This took a turn I did not expect.

Alvin, why don't you just go?

I'm just kidding. I'll be on by myself. Let's just get out of here. That's why we're in my house. I will not be forced out of my home this way. But yes, again, like like Frantz said, thank you guys for having us. It's great to see you guys again. Always a great time having the conversation with you guys individually and together.

I know. That's been so fun, too. I know. We've done a couple of those over the years.

Yeah. So, yeah, you guys are cool peeps.

We tried. So are you?

Right back at you. This is a beautiful family right now.

Why don't you get out of here? Turned them back on my side.

We can all be in this together. We're a family here. Yes.

It's a team. Stop arguing. I'm like, No.

I don't want the kids arguing. We're doing. But you know what? We've got something wild to talk about today, and I'm really excited about it a little bit because it's different. It is different.

Than what we've done on our show. I felt like you guys would enjoy a conversation about a medieval tool of execution and how things come to an end. One day, people just stopped planking. One day, a guy did a plank, and then everyone was like, Oh, that's not anymore. That's not cool. This is the execution version of that. I felt like this is... It's always cool. It's interesting to see when trends subside. This happened, in this case, with the guillotine.

You know, like TikTok sounds go out of style. They stop. They're like, Why are you using that sound?

Don't use that sound. Skinny jeans.

That dog going, Hell, no. It's got a couple more weeks left. Then someday somebody's going to do that, and I'm like, No.

No, we don't do that anymore. You're old.

Yeah, gross.

This is the exact same thing. What we're going to be talking about today, and you're going to be able to hear Fran and Alvin tell this story for the most part, which is great because you're going to hear what amazing storytellers there are. It's going to make you want to listen to this and then jump right over to their feed and start gobbling up everything that they have to offer.

That's up to you guys, of course, but we do have a podcast called Affirmative murder. If you like what we do here, come check us out. There's room for you on the train. It's trains. Train. It's a podcast of trains.

Yeah. I like trains.

It's a train. We're the conductors.

Trains, planes, automobiles.

Yes. Boats. All the above.

However you get there is your business. We highly recommend it. We don't transport. We won't say we're not going to force you over there, but we are highly suggesting by shoving you as hard as we can over there. Yes.

But gently. Tell me. You'll love it. Yeah.

That's all you need to know.

So should we go? Should we get into it?

So let's go. Let's do it.

Let's do this. Like, Lil John. Okay, so let's start with the history of the guillotine, right? Yes. So the guillotine's inception, guys, like many things in modern history, is steeped in rich white man smoking mirrors. So one day this guy named... His name was Joseph Ignes guillotine. This was in 1789. He comes into a room and he's all like,.

Which basically This is actual audio from that moment, actually.

Yeah, we sourced it.

Yeah. Very rare audio.

Yes, exactly. That was an archival audio from the French Parliament. But basically what he said was, Hey, guys, It was like, the way we're killing people is super barbaric and gross and torturous. And we need to streamline this, clean things up. Let's get more inundated in the future and leave that stuff in the past. And then he left the room and two less social financially important people, poor people, then did all the hard work and invented the actual guillotine. More specifically, their names were Tobias Smith and Antoine Louis. But the device is called the guillotine, named after the rich guy named Joseph Ignaz Guillotine, who just had an idea loosely about cleaning up how people die. And then they were like, How about this? And he's like, That's fine.

Put my name on it.

Absolutely.

I'll trademark it and patent it as well.

So he wanted to make something that's more barbaric and gross.

The less people are quick. Oh, no, I would disagree. Anybody who wants to look up the Western European modes of killing people before the guillotine, straight up some of the craziest things I've ever heard of. There was one, there was a chair, a metal chair that they would just put over fire, and the chair would get really hot, and then you just would burn to death on the chair. That is crazy. You wouldn't die. Then it's like everything basically before this was like, We torture you for a long time, and then we hit you over the head with a mallet. Because you die. We just torture you really bad. They had another one. They tie you to a wheel. Then we put you out.

Yeah, they're like, all right. Breaking on the rack. Was that breaking on the rack? Yes, that's fucked up.

They break your bones. That's fucked up. It was like misery.

One by one. Just slow as fuck. Just turn you into a scorpion, essentially.

Then I feel like I feel that when we talk about it. It's awful.

It's like, you stole some bread to the rack you go, and then the rack wouldn't kill you, and then they would let the birds eat you slowly. Also, I read that they hit you in your chest with a hammer or your stomach because these were fatal blows, but over time. I think we burst your appendix when we hit you with this hammer in the stomach. So now after you break all your bones, you'll die in three days from stomach pain.

They were like sepsis. Yeah, exactly.

That'll kill you. You'll die eventually. But it's weird hearing a name now where it's like, we know his name, but it being named after a machine that was beheading people is crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like if somebody's name was like, Nuce or something.

Exactly.

Nuce. I'm Nuce Simmons.

Wait, what? Yeah, you're like, whoa.

Wait a second. But yes, guillotine, you think of the action and it's like, no, it's just some guy. He had an idea.

It's the guy's name, yeah.

And some people say guillotine. When I was younger, everyone said guillotine. And then it switched over into guillotine, I feel like.

Yeah, because we have this conversation all the time. How do you really say it?

I float back and forth. Is this a Mandela effect thing?

Sometimes I'll revert to guillotine.

I think it might be. I say guillotine, though, and I always have. Yeah.

I might have made this up. I have imposter syndrome, so I'm like, it's French, and I'm like, I'm going to say it French. But if I was just being myself, I would say guillotine because there's who else in it. Yeah, right. I mean, that's how it looks.

They both feel right. Yeah.

I don't think either is wrong. I don't either. It's dialect. It's all right.

If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a fucking duck. So shut the fuck up.

Absolutely.

Certainly not a loose. It's a guillotine.

They weren't calling it gilly Gilly Hicks.

There you go.

That's a very deep-cut reference. I don't know if anybody shot the Gilly Hicks. I used to work. I worked in the Abercrombie umbrella, so I was... Hell, yeah. Shout out to Gilly Hicks.

Guilly. Tvt.

Shout out to Gilly Hicks. No, but As we all said, all jokes aside, though, the guy, even though he just had an idea, the idea was steeped in some level of dignity and not torturing people. So the criminals of France's past should really thank this guy because, like I said, the stuff was very torturous. It could have been worse. You could have been melted on a chair for punching your friend.

Yeah, from the butt up. But up. Which is way worse.

So the guillotine or guillotine went on to become the symbol of the French Revolution because the people saw it as this great equalizer. Because of the ideas behind its inception, people believe that whether you were royalty or you came from the lowest of the low, the guillotine was the great equalizer. Everybody who commits the same crimes, they die by the guillotine. And this was enforced by the fact that Louis XVI and his wife, Marie-Antoinette, ever heard of her? Oh, Queen.

Literally.

They were both beheaded during the French Revolution. The people were revolted against them and cut their heads off in Mutiny. They were like the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey of the 17th century. I would say so.

They were.

They were the it couple until the ties.

Until they weren't.

Everybody loved them until they did. Everybody loved Maria Antoinette had great gowns, and she was super trendy.

Until the Super Bowl.

We'll see how the Super Bowl goes, but hopefully, it doesn't end the way that Maria Antoinette and Louis went out. We can all hope. We can all hope, yeah. It would be a more interesting Super Bowl.

Yeah, it'd be different.

In a different way.

In a different way. In a very different way.

It would hit a little different.

It would hit very It would hit very different. That's very true. For the next 100 years, though, the guillotine shined as a symbol of France's altruistic and dignified stance on capital punishment. Over time, the public sentiment towards the execution style for high as crimes, it started to shift. And this really took place during World War II when Adolf Hitler was killing thousands of people publicly using the guillotine. But it was malicious. If you dissented against the regime of Adolf Hitler, he would behead you publicly. So really people were like, oh, this isn't this equaling force in the cast system. It's just a torture device. The idea that the PR team around the guillotine when it first came out was super strong. It was like Steve Jobs level where they're like, are we cutting your head off? Yeah, but it's got WiFi. It's chill.

It's got WiFi.

This thing has Bluetooth. People were like, whoa, this is revolutionary. This is next level stuff. It's like, you're off somebody's head and it falls in the basket.

You can wear a button up shirt while it happens.

This is dignified. What song do you want to go out to?

We all can watch this publicly. It's super clean. Nobody gets blood on them because it's so fast. It cuts the head off. It goes in the basket. We can all go to a nice, classy dinner after this. But it's a barbaric tool that slices off your head and falls in the basket. That's what it's always been. But then when Hitler started using it, people were like, This is nasty, actually. That's not the dignified tool that we thought it was. It was always this gross thing.

That's great. But I'm glad you know now.

At least we're starting to have conversations now around capital punishment and those things. But it took the turn of the century, the industrial age, people driving cars and stuff to go. Slicing off people's heads in public is wrong. Kind of fun.

Kind of gnarly.

It's a little hard core. I don't know.

Look at us as humans. It just takes us a minute. Look at us go.

Yeah. Upon reflection, I don't think I'd like to see somebody's head cut in broad daylight. I'd like to go to the cinema.

Yeah. Now that I think about it.

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Just a couple of decades removed from World War II, the nation of France was so far from the barbaric stances that they had so long ago that this idea of a falling blade being this distinguished, decent way of killing people was now starting to be the subject of conversations in France and all across Western Europe, because Europe did, in a lot of countries in Europe, did away with capital punishment long before the United States did. Because we also didn't, federally in the United States, we still do that. But a lot of countries in Western Europe don't kill people as a form of punishment. But yeah, this became an outdated concept in France. During the '40s and '50s and '60s, it started to become this conversation that was had. Should we be doing this? If we really are the dignified people that we say we are, is killing people in the first place even dignified at all? It's like a knife- Maybe not.

Perhaps not.

Probably not.

The answer is not. That might not be that chill. It was the '60s. They were like, You know what? That's not chill. That's super not chill.

We're moving into a chill vibe century here. Got to leave some stuff behind. Let's calm down.

All of that backstory brings us to the final time a state-sanctioned guillotining or guillotining took place in France, which was in the year 1977. Hilariously, in a sense, the same year that Star Wars: A New Hope came out. So there was this really big leap in technology as far as movies go. And also, France was still like, We got people's head off. We cut people's head off.

When you put those two events together, you're like, At the same time? At the same damn time.

Yeah, it's super crazy. The idea of such an old form of torture being still used while My boy Harrison Ford is doing his thing. Looking super lean in those bootcut black pants, those gauchos.

Hell, yeah.

You could bounce a quarter off that thing. Anyway, yes, this is This is the story of Hamida Jan Duby, who was the last man to be killed in France by the method of guillotine. Fun fact, as we discussed before we went live mics with you guys, the last public guillotining actually took place in 1939 when a serial killer named Eugene Wideman was beheaded in front of a crowd of hundreds. Damn. A crowd of 600 people gathered four hours early. They were passing out sausage sandwiches. People were doing the wave.

They were cheering and whistling.

It was the Super Bowl.

This is Coachella?

Is that Coachella Festival? Yes, this was murder. This was Coachella.

Coachella. Yes. They had souvenir stands out there.

This was Coachella, 1939. They could get my seat. They were four hours early. The beheading took place at 4:00 AM, so they were out there at midnight. Damn. Wow. People were on their front loaders.

They picked out their outfits ahead of time.

Yeah, exactly. People were wearing glitter. They had glitter.

It's straight up medieval. It is straight up from the 1600s.

It's 1939. That is wild to me.

Everybody's wearing super flowery headdresses. Oh, yeah. It was a very big fashion moment.

It's like, what are you wearing?

The dress coats. What are you wearing?

Yeah. Lana Del Rey was there in a past life. Yeah.

Lana Del Rey. In a noble spirit, Lana Del Rey. She's a thousand years old, and she was at this because of course she would be. Lana Del Rey is always a ghost in a white dress.

Always. She's always.

Christopher Lee was actually at that one. Who? Christopher Lee from Star Wars and Dracula and Lord of the Rings.

He was at this?

He was 17 years old, and he was actually at that one.

The 1939 one? Yes.

And he said he didn't look. He said he turned at the last second. He said he heard it, though. Yeah, he said it was like, wild.

Oh, you heard it? Oh, my goodness.

Probably like a crunch or something crazy. I know. Because it feels like a blade. No, but hearing the membrane, the spine be-The neck.

And then the head fall.

Oh, it's true. If they use a Nirelco razor, It's probably it.

It should be sharp. But then you hear a thump. You would hear that thump, though.

If it was a Bic, you'd hear everything.

Yeah. Bic is sponsored by Bic.

This one, this is the last public when it was sponsored by Bic. It was sponsored by Bic. The documentary is coming out soon. It was how it failed, the event. It was like what's talking on the event.

A great sponsoring opportunity.

It's like Bic ruined everything. The guy didn't die.

That's why Gillette is the best the band can get because they did not fall for this.

Yeah, but so this last one, this last public one, people were going crazy. The beheading took place at like 4:00 AM and people lost their shit. They were throwing their sausage sandwich. They were living for the moment. More. The French government was so embarrassed that they were like, We are never doing this again.

So it took a crowd out.

It was like, Wow. It can't happen. No, it's not even outraged. The crowd was so excited and ravenous. The French government was disgusted at itself and was We're not doing this anymore.

You guys are having too much fun.

You guys are having too much fun.

You guys are having too much fun at this.

French parties, dancing. Yeah, they were the French. They were the Fun Police. They were the Fun Police. These were a blast, man. They were losing their shit. They were throwing stuff. They lost their mind. It wasn't like the people lost their mind at this barbaric incident. It was so sick and awesome. The French government was like, This is done. You people are animals, and we are taking this away from you because we thought you guys would be disgusted, and you guys are too excited. It's over now.

It's supposed to be a lesson. You're supposed to learn a lesson.

He's supposed to learn a lesson. You're supposed to walk away from this and be like, You shouldn't steal.

You know what it was? They were like, We see that you are all humans and that humans are terrible, and we don't ever want to see that again. We'd like to pretend we're not this way.

This is why the government exists to protect the people from themselves. The government makes the decision that the people would never make because you guys are animals. So they had to do that.

Which is pretty horrifying. It's really horrifying.

Somebody left there and was like, I'm going to frame a dude for thievery tomorrow so that they can be behead him. We're going to be the other one tomorrow. It's going to be awesome.

I fucking hate my neighbor.

Let's go. Let's frame him, and then he'll be beheaded publicly.

Because we look back at these public executions from King Henry the eighth and all that shit, and we're like, oh, my God. People were bringing their kids to this. They were just like, Coming out for this. It was this big event.

Times were so different.

People were so terrible back then. Then we're like, 1939. We're all like, Woo.

People listen to this on a radio.

Let's watch this guy die.

When everybody's got on like, Lederhosen, and those big man sparkly dresses. I don't know what William Shakespeare's always depicted in. When I see them in those, I'm like, Yeah, those people got beheaded. But when you see somebody in a- A suit? Yeah, seeing. People wear those suits, got somebody with a pocket watch and a big bow tie. I was And a pompador.

I keep my product in their hair and brush their teeth.

And they were like, Let's go to the beheading.

Hygiene was a thing.

Exactly. Also, off topic a little, but I was having a discussion with my girlfriend the other day, and we were talking about how that 50 Shades of Gray moment, we all just looked back on that. Or we did look back on it and was like, people were going to the movie theaters in droves to watch Smut. It was sold out. This weekend, you can't get a ticket to go see 50 Shades, and There's just a bunch of people in the audience being like, Oh, my.

Just watching Girls are United.

When you look back on it, that's really weird to do. It's wild. Elbow to elbow with a stranger just being in heat. That's crazy. People are going to look back on that someday and be like, What are these people doing?

It's true. This is a dirty moment. We're a weird species of people gathering to watch fanfic. People are really something. Something to be holds.

We don't get better. We just get weirder.

We just get different.

Carpool to a guillotine is...

It's nuts, man. It's wild. Eaten a sausage sandwich while somebody's getting their head cut off is...

And that's a real thing. The sausage sandwich thing is a real thing.

Yeah, the shops. There was two shops right there in the town square. There was two cafés. That were like, We got to load up on sausage sandwiches because there's going to be a A packed crowd tonight. That'll change you.

There were waiters joking around.

With the money to be made. Vendors, the vendors out there. Like, Popcorn, get your popcorn.

It's straight up medieval.

Oh, yeah, as hell. But it was 1939.

1939.

Let's get back to this guy named Hamida Jandubi, the man in question. Hamida Jandubi was born on September 22nd, 1949. He was actually born in Tunisia, which I have not been to, but when I looked at pictures, It's gorgeous. It's like a coastal country in Northern Africa. It's got beautiful waters. It almost looks like Greece. But there is a travel... Oh, wow. … Warning or travel advisory about there's high crime at the moment. But it's a beautiful... I mean, you look at the... I couldn't find a bad picture of it.

Oh, it's gorgeous. Yeah, this place is gorgeous.

No, this is gorge.

I want to go. Yeah. I guess for whatever reason, by the time Hamida was 20 years old, he was like, Fuck all this blue water and sun. Yeah. Listen, I had a great time when I went to France, but it is pretty dirty. It looks like New York, isn't it? Yeah. All the pictures that you see are lies. Yeah, it's just a lie. It's propaganda.

It's propaganda. It's just New York.

Every restaurant down by the Eiffel Tower sucks. They're all like, they want you to leave quickly because it's touristy. So you really got to go outside. I think that's called something. It's like New York. You don't go to Times Square. Okay.

That's true.

Yeah, no. You got to go to- There's a word for that. When you go to Paris and you get disappointed because it's a thing a lot of people experience. Is it OMWI? Is it OMWI? I'm going to Google it. Keep going and I'll just interject.

The French disappointment, if you go with a It's a dangerous mindset. If you go and you're like, Oh, I went on TikTok and I was like, places the locals go. I had a great time. But the Louver, the Eiffel Tower, all these things, you're never going to get close to the Mona Lisa. The Eiffel Tower, you look at it, but it was closed. You couldn't go in it because they were doing construction. Everything is just nice boys. It's just like, huh. But beautiful people, great shops. If you go to the places where the locals go, it's a cool city, but it is dirty. It's called Paris syndrome, by the way.

It's a thing. There you go.

People get hallucinations, increased heart rate, nausea because they're so disappointed. Damn.

Were you that disappointed?

Yeah. Really? You're like, Wait, I thought that this was Amalee. Everybody thinks it's Amalee. Yeah, everybody thinks it's that. They're like, Oh, this is It's going to be a romantic, beautiful dream. Yeah, it's never that. It's just never that. But anyway, so Hamida had moved to France by the time he was 20 years old, and he was living and working in France as a stock boy at a grocery store. He also had a job as a landscaper. But in 1971, he suffered an accident on the job. One of Hamida's legs was caught in a tractor, crushing it horribly and causing him to lose two-thirds of his right leg.

Oh, that's a lot of your leg.

That's a lot of your leg. That's almost all of it.

That's pretty much all of it.

But I See what they did in that... Remember that two-part movie thing that came out with Rose McGowan when she made it a gun? Oh, yes.

The grind house.

He lost about that much of his leg, up to his quad. I forgot about that movie. Yeah, that was a really bold idea for like, 2009.

That was a while.

A double feature horror movie. I forgot about that movie. I was like, I'm not sitting in the movie for five hours. Crazy. Now I love it.

She's like AK 47.

Hell, yeah. Yeah, she had an AK-47 leg. Damn. Yeah. That was an odd. When movies are just... I like movies that are silly. I was like, how does she pull the trigger? What pulls the trigger? Who knows? Who knows?

It's movie magic.

I love when movies do that. Don't ask questions. This lady has a gun as a leg. That's awesome.

Just happens. Whenever the theme of a movie is, don't worry about it. That's when I love it. That's fun. When you ask a question, you just go, Don't worry about it. Deal with it.

Yeah, don't ask questions. Just enjoy what's happening. Take the red. Yeah. Unfortunately, Hameda did lose about two-thirds of his legs, and he did not get a cool gun. They gave him a prosthetic eventually. He struggled to find work for years after this accident, and this is when he started to take up drinking and using controlled substances. In 1973, he met a young woman named Elizabeth Biscuit.

That's an elegant name.

It's a very elegant name. That is. Sidebar, I am ashamed of how long I did call Biscuit's Biscuit. Biscuit.

I think you should still call Biscuit's Biscuit. You shouldn't be ashamed.

It's the same thing as what was the other word we were talking about. It's guillotine. It looks like biscuit. It has a Q and an I in it.

That's what I call my dog. My dog's name is Biscuit.

Biscuit. Or at least Biscuit. Biscuits. When they're fancy. Why not? Think outside the box. I'm just saying. I'm just telling people, if you take nothing else from affirmative murder, know that, hey, we like to think outside the box over there. Yeah.

Romanticize everyday life.

Exactly. Biscuits. Have a nice bisquit, some tea. Yeah. So these two met while Hamida was recovering in the hospital from an amputation because at first he lost a leg, but then he had to have a couple of amputation surgeries to clean it up and all that stuff. Get it where it needed to be. While he was sitting in the hospital, he met Elizabeth Biscuit. But not long after meeting, Elizabeth filed a complaint against Jan Duby, alleging that he tried to force her into prostitution.

Which is horrifying to think about. That's so scary. That he's just being taken care of by this because she's like a nurse. Yeah.

She comes and checks on the patients. Yeah.

He's trying to force her into sex work. It's like, where did those two things connect? How did this happen?

He's down and out, and he's still this evil. That's scary.

When somebody's in their darkest time, they're still like, How can I manipulate and exploit people? You're like that? You're really... This person is trying to be nice to you while you're... More than half of your leg is gone, and while they're talking, you're like, I'm going to fucking manipulate and just trick you so bad.

That's really-I'm going to try to ruin your life. That's dark. Wow. That's dark-sided.

I'm going to gaslight and destroy your life while they're just like, You need a sponge bath? Can I help you? That's a really evil person. That they're dark in there. That's sinister. That's dark-sided.

Yeah. That's dark-sided.

Yeah. I'll tell you what, if obi-wan Kenobi had looked down on Anake and Skywalker while he was all burnt up on that lava mountain, and he said, One day I'm going to be a super evil dude and kill everybody. I think he would have killed him. At the time, you have that pity. You're like, I'm here to help. I'm here to help You're down in your luck. But if you knew in his mind, he's like, I'm going to human traffic you. He'd be like, Oh, God. He'd be like, Oh, fuck that.

Yeah, you're terrible. Get out of here.

No. Yeah. So he fell in that classic tractor accident to sex trafficking predator pipeline. It's an easy one to fall into. Absolutely. We've all heard of this. Yada, yada, yada, sex trafficker.

That's what his defense tried to use. Yeah, they were like, wow. That exact defense.

They were like, You know how this happens? Yeah.

It's like, I don't know if that was going to work. Not so much.

I ruptured my Achilles five years ago, and I was super bummed out. Never thought about committing horrible crimes against people. You know what I mean? Was I a little bum? Exactly. Yeah. What did I do? I smoked a little weed, and I watched Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse. I didn't think about it since then.

That's how you handle that.

That's healthy. I was never like, I'm going to make Girl Scout sell cookies for me without giving them the money to get their prizes. My brain never cooked up some crazy scheme. I was not scheming. Jan Duby was arrested for her filing a complaint against him, but he was released not long after because it was a complaint. There was nothing criminal to charge him with. Upon his release, though, Hameda lured two other young girls to his apartment and forced them into prostitution for his financial benefit. It's actually really interesting. The times in France, if anybody has seen Moulin Rouge, this was the time of the madam. There was a lot of brothels and madams. There was one madam in particular. I didn't write her name down, but she was the most famous madam in Her signature was she would make all of the women that she forced into sex work get plastic surgery. Immediately. What? She would get them under her control and then make them have plastic surgery. That was her stamp. That's so scary. This is plastic surgery in the 1970s. It's not awesome plastic surgery, but it's like, you all get it.

In France, this was a very popular brothels and mathoms and all these things. And so he tried to follow that same pathway, but he was using his apartment, and he wasn't good at it, but he was still a man who was manipulating women. He was still making women be under his control. But that was his idea when he couldn't get a job as a stock boy. He's like, I'll become a pimp or whatever you call that in French. So like I said, Jan Duby is now seeing himself as some a pimp, and his arrogance as a man didn't let him let go of the fact that Elizabeth Biscuit had filed a complaint against him. So for the next year, he fixated on the fact that she wasn't under his control. She didn't fall for his tricks or lies or whatever and become one of his women or whatever. And they called them loretts. That's the French word for a sex worker that works at the time. There's lorette, and then there is, what was Satine in Mulan? That's why I brought up Mulan-Bru. She was a- Oh, a courtesan. A cortisan. A cortisan is like, you work with one specific John, and they fund your lifestyle, where a loret is what you think of a sex worker, like a rotating cast of people.

So that was a loret. But a cortisan is more like, Oh, I have a rich- You spend more time. A rich dignitary takes care of me. But they all work at a brothel for a madam. It's just different levels of it, I guess. But yeah, so he sees himself as this, but he still... Elizabeth Bisquet is in the back of his mind. Is this the one that got away, the one that tried to put him in prison? He can't let it go. He can't let it go. She bested him. He fixated on it until July of 1970.

That's so scary that he fixated that long?

Yeah, he just couldn't let it go.

That's so scary.

Yeah, that's evil.

Well, men are scary. And that's one thing. As a man in true crime, you don't really... As a man not in true crime, if you don't have conversations with women, you don't really know how scary men are when you're a man. But when you hear a woman go like, Oh, walking down the street, what men are thinking about, all of these things are like, they all can be dangerous to somebody. But you never look at it that way.

Of course. A woman's Roman Empire is being killed. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. It's probably you think by a man, like some guy that's on your Instagram or you go to the gym as them. It's just some guy just like, I like you now.

It could be anybody.

Those are my feelings. It's like, how you feel doesn't have anything to do with that. Well, I followed you to your car because I want your number.

Oh, yeah.

That's fine. I don't want to give it to you, but I want it, though. That's scary. I don't think of that as... That's just not an experience I've had in my life. As a man, you don't. In my younger years, I've had some aggressive women be like, well, give me your phone number.

But I wasn't ever like, oh.

Terrified. She might kill me.

Luckily for us.

You're just like, what a weird lady. I'm like, no. I think that's a hard concept for a lot of men, they'd be like, Why don't you just say no? It's like, well, intimidation, fear. It's a lot of things. It's a lot more complicated than that.

Because you don't want to piss a man off.

Sometimes people do say no, and it doesn't work.

It doesn't work out. Then the bad things happen faster.

You You can't even really take a walk or a jog alone as a woman anymore. I would love to take a jog in the morning, early morning with music on, but I could never do that. My husband's like, Absolutely not. You're not going by yourself.

If you want to go for a walk, your husband has to go with you.

He has to come. So you can't have a long time to just zone out to music.

Yeah, with your cute pink headphones.

I remember telling...

I told Alvin, I went to Myrtle Beach maybe a couple of years ago, and we was out mini golfing, and there was a young lady going for a jog. It was maybe nine o'clock at night. She had headphones on.

I was like, Oh, my God.

It made me scared. I was like, That's crazy. She's jogging by herself late at night. I'm not from Myrtle Beach, but that's still terrifying. Yeah.

You're worried for her. Be careful.

We have had many conversations where we're just casually talking and we're like, I got the AirPod maxes last year. I'm like, You hit the button and everybody goes away. I don't know what's going on. I don't know. You have that conversation.

That button is for men.

Yes, that's exactly. I'm like, I hit this button and you could come hit me in the back of the head with a bat. I couldn't know who was in front of me. But we're like, That's awesome. That's so awesome. I have no idea what's going on in my surroundings when I hit this button.

I'm like, Yellen, can you hear me? You can't. You just see mom lips moving.

It's just like, all exciting. I have no idea what's happening. That's the freedom of a man to be like, you could just turn off your guard. Yes.

It's so true because we have those two and we were doing that. We're like, Well, I can't hear you at all. I was like, I could never wear these outside of the house. No.

I would never hit this button if I wasn't in the safety of my home. No.

Never. Even with the button off, I'm like, Should I be wearing these?

Yeah, I'm like, I shouldn't wear these outside. They're going to think I can't hear them. No.

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So, yeah. So, like I said, Hamida Jandubi fixated on Elizabeth Bisquette for a year until in 1974, he kidnapped her and brought her to his home. Oh my God. That's so scary. His home was acting as some makeshift brothel. He had the other two young ladies were still there. They all lived together. And he brings her in to the home. He beat Elizabeth in full view of the terrified girls and even went as far as to put out lit cigarettes on her body. So this was a very vindictive and evil, fightful years. I mean, days and days and weeks of thinking and fixating on her. And he didn't take it. He took his time in getting his revenge on her.

Wow.

Yeah. He straight up tortured her.

Yeah. Yeah, really horrible. And also to do it in front of the two other women that were under the control of his sex trafficking ring was also intentional as well, probably. Trying to prove a point.

See what happens. Absolutely. This will happen to you if you try to go.

That flexes his muscle a little bit. Yeah.

So, Biscuit actually survived the ordeal. But after the torture, Hameda drove her to the outskirts of Marseille, another lovely town. Beautiful, beautiful city. But he strangled her on the outskirts of Marseille. He then returned from the brutal murder, and Jan Duby warned the other two girls not to say anything about what they had seen or else. That whole implications thing.

There's the intimidation.

But on July seventh, 1974, Elizabeth Biscuit's body was discovered in a shed, and the investigation by the police was launched. However, though, Jan Duby was so arrogant that he moved on from that immediately. And not more than a couple of days later, he went back out to try to kidnap another young girl with the intention of forcing her into his sex trafficking ring. So he's looking to get a third woman in into his sex trafficking ring. But the young lady managed to flee, probably because she ran. So she got away, she gets away, and she filed a police report against the police, and they went and arrested him. But they arrested him again for a complaint, basically, which is what Elizabeth Bisquit filed against him. So he was arrested. But during the time that he was in holding, they actually brought him up on charges for the murder of Elizabeth Bisquet. So thankfully, they were able to connect the dots because he was a human trafficker, what his actions were. And then they put that together with how Elizabeth Bisquet was killed. And also read something that the two women, once he was arrested, came forward and gave their accounts as well.

Yeah, so it was like, put it all together in that moment. But he could have been let out on whatever the way he was let out when he threatened Elizabeth Bisquet. So thankfully, he wasn't.

And thank goodness, those other two women were able to talk about what happened to them because sometimes they break them so hard that they don't even feel like they can speak out against it.

Yeah, they probably saw it as their opportunity. We have to do this while he's in cárcel.

For Yeah, exactly. I think that's what happened. I think they were like, This is our moment to get him. Yeah. After two and a half years of sitting in prison on February 24, 1977, Hameda Jan Duby appeared in court on charges of torture, murder, rape and premeditative violence. His defense, as Elaina alluded to, was that the tragic loss of two-thirds of his leg drove him to a period of alcohol abuse and violence, which transformed him into a different person. That different person just happened to be a human trafficker.

It's like, okay, then we're going to imprison that different person that you are today.

That different person, you're going to be going to the joke. You're going to be going to the joke now. Yeah.

Because plenty of people go through that and don't do what he did. Like, come on. That's the shittiest defense ever. It is. It's like he lost his leg.

Yeah. To try to fucking weaponize mental illness like that. To be like, I was going a time of darkness. Exactly. And I became a full-blown criminal.

Yeah. It's like, All right, man. So I should be just let free.

There's other ways to deal with your not having a job. Listen, if you go through a tragic accident and your life has changed forever, If I ruptured my Achilles in 1977, I would have a limb for the rest of my life. Thankfully, modern science is you can get a surgery, and now I can play basketball again, and I can run and everything. But if I was now a person who walked different and couldn't work the same job that I did, that would me mentally. That's no excuse to start. Absolutely not. Ruining people's lives and kidnapping people and stuff. You know what I'm saying? Go to therapy. The things that therapy can resolve, you'll be amazed by. It's wild.

Any other outlet than hurting other human beings or yourself. Yeah.

Anything else.

They say, and everybody else goes, Hurt people, hurt people. Like, no, don't just... Let's not just normalize that. Exactly.

That's an excuse.

I know we say it like that's a bad thing, but it Her people can do other things. Hurt people go to therapy. That's the 2024 slogan. Hurt people go to therapy. Exactly. So the very next day, so this would be February 25th, Hameda Janduvi was sentenced to death. They heard all they needed to hear. His defense said They're bullshit that they said. They said they were like, You're not wasting time. Okay. Yeah, alcohol abuse. Guilty.

Yeah, still guilty.

They went and deliberated for a cool 45 minutes, and they came back with that death by guillotine Predict. After a denied appeal, Hamida was also informed that he would not receive a reprieve from the then President of France.

But no way he thought he was sitting there.

He was like, Oh, man.

He was like, he's going to come through. He's going to come through. I know it.

If President Ha Ha can send a reprieve, if he sends that reprieve, I'll be golden. And the President did not do that. No.

That's not President Ha Ha's style.

Ha Ha does not play like that.

President Ha Ha was like, No. No.

No.

Homi, don't play that. The one thing about President Ha Ha, he doesn't like guys that do what he did. So he was like, No. He doesn't mess around. No reprieve for you.

He said, Ha ha, uh-uh.

Ha ha said, Uh-uh. So the President of France denied a reprieve for Hamida. And in the early morning of September 10th, 1977, 12 days before his 28th birthday, HamidaMita Jan Buhli was 28.

Oh my God.

He was only 27. He was only 28 years old. So he was... Wow. He didn't make it to 28. He was 27 years old. He was 50 years old. No, this is a young boy. I mean, by the time he was 20, he was working at the stock place. His injury happened by the time he was 23 years old. So between 23 and 27, he had a life as a scummy human trafficker.

He's literally my age.

He's a literal bebe. Bebe.

That's crazy. He's a bebe. Now he's sitting at the gallows, man. Crazy times. Being there with a guy holding a A curtain rod or whatever the string is to drop a fucking a Bic razor on your neck.

And they walk you past that wicker basket that your headless body is going to be placed into. You just breathe right by it. I'm like, that to me is just like...

They said he was really trying to buy a time. He's smoking cigarettes.

They told him, That's enough.

He was really so many cigarettes.

He's a chill out.

In a glad. I think he had three cigarettes in a glass of water.

I don't blame him, though.

I mean, he was taking those things for a walk.

I think he had some rum, too. He was like, I'm going to say for this.

Yeah, he was taking those things.

You got a Gillette Rainser just staring at you and you're like, Oh, this is the end.

That last meal? Yeah. Oh, the last meal. And he sees me like, Swing, swing, swing. Charboning it. And I was like, Oh, yeah. I'll have everything. Literally everything.

Take me to the buffet.

Because you think about it and you're like, When I finish this cigarette, that is the last thing I do. That is it. Or if I take this last sip, that's the last thing I do.

I would want to be a little tipsy.

They would have to fight me. They would have to pull that cigarette.

No, I'm not doing that. You got to have to do the cigarette.

They would have to pull that from me.

Smoking the filter.

They spray it. They spray it and put the fire out. Putting it out? Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. It's so stressful to think about.

Yeah, that's a lot to reconcile.

It's coming to an end.

Yeah. Then this is the button your head is going to fall in. And so...

So here's the basket that will put your headless body in.

He has white gloves on. Like, this is what they want.

Oh, yeah. He's real, real, classic. The guy, he's a real, classic guy. He's got ass Jeeves gloves on. And here's your back. Here's your head basket. Ass Jeeves gloves.

Because I think Eugene Wideman there, the guy, the last public execution there in 39. When they walked him out, his eyes were closed. He didn't want to look at anything. He just squeezed his eyes shut the whole time, and I was like, oh.

Yeah, I will be the same I don't want to see that.

I don't want to look at this. I wouldn't either.

That's where my head is going to fall.

You bump into the basket.

They're like, this is a second generation guillotine. They start taking it through like it's a Winnebago. They're like, this is a...

It's guillotine 2.0..

Yeah, we really streamed blind things. This is a titanium string that it falls from.

You're like this. This vicious serial killer is reduced into closing his eyes. Closing his eyes shut like a kid.

It's just like, I know. For a second, I was like, oh, and then I was like, wait a second. Then you're like, wait a second. Then you're like, fuck this guy. Yeah.

Too many emotions.

That part is when you talk about it being the great equalizer. Yeah. When you talk about somebody being this horrible thing, person that did this horrible thing, and then them being- It brings you right down. Yeah. In that moment, them being scared. Absolutely. It's like, no matter who you are or what you did, when you see that in the basket and the thing, everybody's... It's the same reaction. Sure.

No one's looking at that stoically. No. It's not happening.

No, no, no, no. Marie Antoinette was so flustered and fucked up and scared. They killed Marie Antoinette for a lot of fucked up reasons. It It was really fucked up. But she apologized to the guy that did the thing because she stepped on his shoes. She was so flustered. She didn't know what to do. She apologized to him for stepping on the shoes. That was her last word.

Meanwhile, you're going to be cutting my head off in a second, but I'm sorry I stepped on your shoes.

Yeah, I was like, Sorry, I got scuffed up your shoes. I'm sorry. You just like, Who knows what I would say? Did I leave the pot on? I don't know.

Yeah.

Don't record that. I don't want to I'm laughing.

It's so gross.

Yeah, it's crazy, man. So, yeah, September 10, 1977. Twelve days before his 28th birthday, Hameda Janduvi was guillotined at the Bomet Prison in Marseille shortly after 04:40 AM. And like I said, There's really no better city I could think of to be killed in because it's a beautiful city. You look at pictures of Marseille, gorgeous. Oh, really? Yeah, it was really pretty.

It was a nice sight to see before.

It was a nice site to see. When you're looking out that window, I picture hunchback of Notre Dame style. I think every prison in Europe is made of bricks, and then they have bars. Then you look out and you see the beautiful Coast of Marseille. It's like, Oh, wow. So there you go..

For the last time. Nice.

And then they take you off to slice your head off. Now, there is some debate as to whether a person is still alive, even briefly after a beheading. And some physicians have done studies in the last century that show brain activity in animals, like rats and stuff, for up to 30 seconds. But they say this could be a reaction to the pain receptors from the quick slicing. It could just be the pain receptors reacting. As far as blinking and stuff, that people have said they've seen heads doing baskets. This has been seen in people being bit by rattlesnakes that have been beheaded. Or I have a friend, she embalms... She works at a funeral home, and she said, The dead bodies, they sigh.

Elaina, can you get an attest? They do. Yeah, you said they do. I can't attest to that. That does happen because air will be forced out sometimes, and it'll... A little bit of a moan will come with it sometimes because it's just a trapped moment, almost.

That rocked my spine when she told me that.

No, that's fucked up. That'll rock your shit when you're alone in a morgue.

Luckily, I think I'll never find myself in that position. That's terrible.

They warned me ahead of time of that, thankfully, because when it happened, I was like, oh, and I was like, okay, all right, I know what that is.

And she said it was melancholic. It's very much like... It is. Yeah.

It's a very sad...

It's a little like a little... Like you're bored. Is it like being dead?

Is there different tones? It being a male and female, or it's just- Yeah, it can be...

And it's different... Different methods of it coming out. Sometimes when you cut, sometimes the air just escapes. So it'll just be like a...

No, when you're in that moment? Like that. Oh, God.

Certain air will escape in certain ways. It's interesting. Wow.

That's fucked. I didn't know that, that when you cut even.

Yeah, just there's certain ways when you're manipulating a body, if there's trapped air somewhere, it's coming out.

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It is controversial, but anyways, it is possible that Amita Jandu be sad with his head in that basket, reflecting on his life for 30 seconds before the curtains faded. Those curtains closed.

You hope so. That he was like, Fuck, I shouldn't have done that.

Yeah, he sat in that basket.

Does that last 30 seconds?

Yeah, just have a moment of regurts.

Are they tied up? Are they laying down?

I think they tie their hands behind their backs, or they might even be like, We got you here, man. Just sit down on your knees.

I think they lay belly down. Yeah. And somebody holds their feet.

You'd have to tie me up. You'd have to tie me up. There's no way I'm just going to... So they can't kick. I'm just going to go along with this. It's not happening.

Didn't they used to put a hood over your head, too?

I think they did for...

They did it for hangings.

For hangings because sometimes it's a little gasly.

But they might have done it for that because then the head falls in the basket and then it's in the bag. You take the bag out and then it would lock your head. It would be like, You're more hygienic.

What does the thing call it? It'd lock your head because you can't... That's a stockade.

That's for when you want to be pomaled with tomatoes.

When you want to be.

Those are for minor crimes. That's for like, you look at a married woman in public. They put you in the stockade and throw tomatoes at your face.

You showed an ankle.

Yeah, you were a Jezebel. You had your knees out.

Oh, scandalo.

You just get the tomatoes in the town square. But yes, that was the story of Hameda Janduvi and the last time a guillotine was used on a human being in France and in Western Europe.

Damn, that's so wild. That's crazy. They also used to call it the National Razor. No. I just saw.

Yeah, that's more metal. I got to like that. That's hard.

That's really metal.

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I did look up because I always wonder why the razor was at an angle. So he said it'd do that so it was an easy slice because if it was flat, it'll bounce. It would be some break into the neck.

Yes.

I'm guessing that's more horrible.

That makes sense. Yeah, well, like a clean slice.

Like I told you in the beginning, when you talk about their methods. They used to just have one guy with an ax. It was dull. It would take a couple of swipes, like two, three, four swipes. There was even... Everything creates a market, right? There were people who were like, if you loved your family member, you'd slip the warden or the guy with the ax some money to use a sharper ax. Yeah. Wow. Here's 20 bucks, man. Can you try hard to really get it in one go?

Because there were some where it was like, they would slip and hit them in the back. There was somewhere they would like- They would slip, quote unquote. Yeah, like slip. Fuck you. Because some of those executioners were just like drunk. Get wrecked. And some of them were having to deal with doing this all the time. So they would show up just completely wasted and get people in the back.

I'd be so pissed if mine was drunk. He missed, completely missed.

Yeah. Wow. Then sometimes I think the person who was being executed had to pay the executioner as they walked up onto the- For the service? The scaffold. Could you cut my head off, please? A lot of King Henry VIII's wives who were murdered that way, handed them a bag of coins before.

The beheading tax. Yeah. Listen, they tax you till it's over, man.

They You have to pay for everything.

You got to pay this as a service. You got to pay the beheader.

That's humiliating, too.

Isn't it? You're paying for this?

Yeah, that adds a level of humiliations.

Yeah, don't tap my pockets one last time before you slice my head off, especially when it's the guy with the ax. I'd much rather space the guillotine than a guy just named Marcus. Yeah, just like, All right, let's do this.

With an ax, it's crazy.

With an ax and it's dull.

And they have to be able to aim correctly. And like you said, you need that angle.

Yeah, you got to really hit a specific spot. You said a back. You get hit in the back with an ax.

So fucked up.

What do you say?

My bad? Yeah, sorry, bro. Yeah, like, Oops. Yeah, like, Oops, you crazy, bro. Sorry. Hey, bro, scoop back a little bit. Sorry about that. You weren't on the mark. That was your fault. It was your fault.

That was your fault. That was your fault.

I might have My spine's out. You're like, No, it was on you. It was your fault. It was your fault.

That was on you. Don't worry, that wasn't me.

Yeah, it was your fault. You flinched. You flinched, dude.

You flinched. Damn, that's wild.

And imagine just going home after that as the executioner. You're just like, All right.

You just go home to your family.

Did you make dinner?

Imagine going home after that as the public and being like, That was sick, man. That was so.

I don't want to imagine that.

Like, truly. People would bring their kids to those things.

Yeah. We've come a long way in a lot of ways, but not really as well. I don't know about that. I remember whenever I watch political shows, I'm like, whenever we, like when we watch stuff like 300 and stuff, and they're like, A dagger in the sleeve and people putting poisoning cups. I'm like, That stuff is still It's happening. People are just wearing Tom Ford suits now. It's true. We're all like, it's you come such a long way. It's like, I don't know. This happened in 1977.

Yeah. Really not that long away.

They're like, now it's democracy. I'm like, no, that stuff just happens behind those doors. It That's not like it was super long ago, though. What? The guillotiny? The guillotiny. Yeah, no. Bro, Star Wars was out.

That's like 50 years, not even. Yeah.

That is not... Damn.

That's like my mom was born when that one happened.

Yeah, I was born only a few years later.

Yeah, like less than 10. That's eight years before your first B day. Yeah, you just missed the show.

Yeah, eight years later, I came. Dagenabit.

I came into this world.

I wasn't even a thought.

No, you weren't.

You're like, Eh. Yeah, you know. I was Gen Z. I was just super young and like, horse-lin, scary baby.

I don't claim that, though. No, it's millennial.

The elders here. I'm like, And I was like, The next year.

Oh, my goodness.

Wow. What a story.

But yeah, Hameda Jandubi in the guillotine.

What a story.

Thank you for telling us that.

Thank you guys for listening.

I really- That horrifying tale.

Thank you for bringing that beautiful, beautiful tale our way.

That was a wild one, right? Yeah.

That was crazy. It really was. And he was, I mean, he was evil.

Also, can I just take a second before we go? Can I give you guys your flowers really quick? Because You guys had Holly Madison on your podcast a couple of times, and I love her story and who she is. When I think about my youth and what TV was in the early 2000s and how women were exploited so crazy, everything about the early 2000s was pixelated miles and pixelated bodies and Anna Nicole Smith and Holly Madison and all these people who... Imagine what an Anna Nicole Smith podcast would be today. She's probably such an interesting and amazing person, but she was exploited by the powers that be at the time of what they thought people wanted to see from reality television. To hear her on your platform and tell a story and just be a person. I hate that. I don't mean to say it in a misogynistic way, but to see her get to be a person is really cool because I only know her from the Girls Next Door show.

Yeah, to get to be her own person. Yes.

Exactly. She's such an interesting person. Her and Bridget are so sweet.

So smart.

So sweet, so smart, so interesting, so multifaceted.

And so kind. I love them.

They're just like, and it's like, I want everybody to know that. They're so amazing. They are not just from the Girls Next Door because I used to love that show when I was younger. Oh, same. We used to watch it.

And now you watch it so different. You're like, that was not entertaining. That was dark.

No, but thank you. She's amazing. I highly recommend. And Girls Next Level, their podcast is So good. So interesting to listen to.

Yes. I just wanted to give you guys. I just wanted to shout you guys out because I thought that was really good.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Well, everybody, you need to go listen to Affirmative murder. I'm telling you, we don't recommend things lightly here. You know that. So go run over and gobble up that feed because you just heard the storytelling ability. It's chef's kiss. Everything you need. If you guys want to shout out anything you have coming up, any of your socials, anything you want to shout out, feel free.

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Hell, yeah. No, you don't have a choice. Do it. Do it.

Keep it that weird. All right, guys. So go listen to Affirmative murder, and we hope you keep listening, and we hope you keep it...

Weird.

But not so weird that you don't go listen to Affirmative.

I was going to say Affirmative murder, but I stumbled.

We did that.

Oh, man.

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