In the York, detective Louis Garcella locked up the worst criminals, putting bad guys away.

There's no feeling like it.

Then jailhouse lawyers took aim. Led by Derek Hamilton, Scarcella took me.

To the precinct and lied.

20 men eventually walked free. Now in the Burden podcast, after a decade of silence, Louis Scarcella finally tells his story. And so does Derek Hamilton. Listen to the burden on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, this is Dan.

And this is Reed Isbell, and we're.

The host of the podcast God's country.

Check out our latest episode with our good old buddy Luke Combs.

Yeah, I know you saw him on Grammys performing fast car with Tracy Chapman.

But did you know he once ran the go karts at Asheville fun depot? You can get seven minutes out there. Absolutely no bumping.

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A group of high school students.

High school students.

Elizabethan high School students started a project to research a string of unsolved murders. Their research led to the identification of the killer.

Investigators now have an answer to a 34 year old question. Once you start getting a few tips or a few leads or few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold anymore. There's a pretty good chance he's still alive. Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out to be accurate.

Redhead, killer profile. Male Caucasian, five nine to six. 2180 to 270 pounds. Unstable home, absent father and a domineering mother. Right handed. IQ above 100, most likely heterosexual.

There is no profile of this killer except for the ones the students created.

Just because some of these women no longer have people to speak for them does not mean that they deserve to not be spoken for. What if this guy's still alive? Like, what if he comes after us?

I said, are you going to kill me?

He said, yes.

This is murder 101. Season one, episode nine studying up. I'm Jeff Shane, a television and podcast producer at KT Studios with Stephanie Lidecker, Courtney Armstrong, and Andrew Arno. In 2020, I came across a story about a group of high school students who set out to investigate a series of unsolved murders in their community. It was an incredible story that here at KT studios, we felt needed to be explored further.

All right, so this morning, me and Marley are just sitting here in my car. It is 752, 652. It is 652 in the morning. And we're just sitting here talking about different stuff. And we're about to go in here and meet with Mr. Campbell, and we're actually going to get to present to a former FBI behavior analysis, which is really cool, and talk about the case. So we're just really looking forward to that. It's kind of crazy because we went to a bunch of football games together and thinking about Elizabeth Lamott, one of the potential victims of Jerry Leon Johns. She actually went missing from a football game. And we've went to numerous football games together and not really had a care in the world, but it just happens as quickly as that. So it's really crazy to think about the connection we have with these girls because we are young females, and majority of these women were young women, and we're very close with in age and lifestyle, even this could be any of us or any of our friends, and that's just really crazy to think about. So we really feel connected with these cases, and we really feel like these women deserve justice because this could easily be one of us.

Yeah. And it's something that you don't really think about. Like, when you're in the moment at the football game, you're not really worried about stuff like that. And I'm sure these women weren't either. But it just happens, and it takes you off guard.

Hello there. Introduce yourself.

How are you all doing? Hello.

Hi.

Alex Campbell. Good to meet you.

Joey Strickland.

Thank you for coming by.

Did your haircut get better since the last time I saw you?

Maybe.

I think it did.

Maybe.

I'm Riley.

You say Riley?

Yes.

Riley.

Hi.

Marley. Riley and Marley.

And we have, like, the captain's table right here. The honored guest.

Joey Strickler and Ryan Curtis. Introduce themselves.

I'm Joey Strickler. I retired from the Sullivan county sheriff's office two years ago, and I was the captain over criminal investigations. My last, biggest case that I had over there was. I'm sure you all have heard of it, the Evelyn Boswell murder case. And just to tell a little bit about my background as far as in preparing me for what I did. I have a bachelor's degree from ETsU, criminal justice, and I spent my whole career, 30 years, 30 plus years at the sheriff's office and done, I guess, a little bit everything that was over there, from patrolman to criminal investigations to, of course, I was in the staff and command end of it. But one thing about it that interested me when the TBI actually called me to call you was that when they were telling me you were doing this, I have worked on a couple of cold case homicides. They only had two in Sullivan county, and so I worked those two cases, and I know the pitfalls and the things that you run into and the issues and things like that. I can honestly say that I think I know who done both of them.

Never be able to prove it, but because of certain reasons. But anyway, that's basically where I came from, the law enforcement background and with the Sullivan county sheriff's office. And I was fortunate. Great opportunities to go to some really specialized school. I went to the FBI National Academy, which is a ten week school in Quantico, Virginia, and that's where I studied profiling and things like that. That's just a little bit about me. I'm Ryan Curtis. Currently I'm an assistant district public defender right down the road, and I run the public defender's office, essentially, in Johnson county. But I was an assistant district attorney for about a decade, graduated law school at Appalachian School of Law in 2011, went to ECSU. So a lot of the experience I had in learning about these things was at the district attorney's office. A lot of the experience I got learning about the forensic side of things was not going to these academies where he's getting, like, first hand knowledge. It's instead relying on people like him to help me understand it. And also TBI special agents, which are, I'm sure, part of this and this analysis. When you're an assistant DA, you just deal with everything.

So there were some murder cases I've worked on, rapes, vehicular homicides, the gambit, also tiny things like shoplifting or driving unsuspended that you kind of gain some perspective on. In my time, I've worked in all four counties. I've had jury trials in all four counties in this district, and I ran the uniqui county DA's office for four years. Jonesboro a couple years, was in Johnson county for years, and Carter county for three years. So any of the serious crimes that happened here in the last few years before I left the DA's office in August, I was part of. So there were a handful of murders and shootings, as there always seems to be. I'll tell you what's interesting. Hearing about his background, though, when he started in law enforcement. I love when officers come from patrol to investigations. You just get more, I think. Absolutely. But there wasn't a Codis database when you started, was there? No. So there was no DNI comparison or DNA comparison or anything like that. So the perspective you must have on seeing how these kind of cases get solved is probably incredible. One of my cases that I really took heart to was a 1984 murder.

I was a high school senior in 1984. The thing that got me about that is if things would have been done differently in 1984 by the standards we have now, that case would have been solved back then.

How are you today?

Very well.

I don't have to be in court, really don't have to be at work. It's a great day. What about you all?

I'm glad it's Friday.

They got a big ball game tonight, don't you? It's homecoming, and y'all beat them last time. Was it close?

No.

Basketball season.

Yeah.

So both of these girls play basketball? They're both really good. Also great students. Fine people. So in case I didn't mention it, we don't have this as a class this year, so they do this work on their own. And we meet at 07:00 a.m. Before school, which, for a teenager coming an hour early, is quite any credit for that. So they don't get any credit. They just do it.

Well, there's nothing better than take it from someone that's done it. There's nothing better than working on homicides and coming to a conclusion. There's nothing better than that.

Yeah.

I get excited when you just find something new, even if it's not even helpful.

Yeah. So I'll just stand up out of your way and let you all do your thing. I'm a junior.

I'm 16, and I play basketball with Riley. We were in third grade. I would say she probably is my best friend.

Probably.

She is my best friend. I've always kind of found an interest in this stuff. Me and my mom watch stuff about it together a lot. And it's kind of crazy because a lot of people would consider me a scary cat, everything that I do. But I really enjoy learning about this kind of stuff and just kind of like, diving in and having my perspective on things like this.

Well, we've been friends for forever, but it's really funny because I've always been kind of, like, I guess, the more outgoing of the two of us, and I've always been interested in niche little weird things. And true crime has definitely been a big interest of mine since I was in 6th grade, probably. And I would always listen to true crime podcasts. We'd be warming up for a basketball game, and I'd have true crown podcast on there for us. Like, are you okay? I'm like, yes, I'm okay. And she would always get so annoyed with me. She's like, turn that off. Turn that off. And then one day, she's just like, no, keep playing. I'm like, I feel so. But that's something we've kind of both been able to find a lot of interest in last few years.

The podcast, isn't it?

Yes.

That's been, like, such a driver.

Yes. It really hits you today. You don't want to listen to music anymore. You just want to listen to true crime podcast. It's relaxing. I had to stop. I used to listen to him to go to bed. I had to stop because I started getting night hairs. I would wake up, there'd be, like, a shadow in my room. Yeah, I can't do this. But, yeah, I'm 17, a junior here. Also play basketball. That takes up literally all of our time. It's basically school basketball murders. There we go.

Looking at them not committing.

Correct. Yes. So me and Molly have kind of been doing some research this week between the known victims of Jerry Leon Johns and potential victims. So I've been working on Tracy Sue Walker, and Marley's been working on the DeSoto County Jane Doe. Basically, what we've done is we just went through and we've made a victim profile for his two known victims. And then we're just kind of doing a compare and contrast between Tracy Stu Walker, the DeSoto County Jane Doe, Linda, who is a survivor of Jerry Leon Johns, and Tina Farmer, who was confirmed victim of Jerry Leon Johnson.

Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in a moment.

In the 1980s and York city needed a tough cop like detective Louis Scarcella.

Putting bad guys away. There's no feeling like it in the world. He was the guy who made sure the worst killers were brought to justice.

That's one version this guy is a piece of. Derek Hamilton was put away from murder by Detective Scarcella in prison. Derek turned himself into the best jailhouse lawyer of his generation.

Lawyer was my girlfriend. This is my only way to freedom.

Derek and other convicted murderers started a law firm behind bars.

We never knew we had the same cop in the case. Scarcella.

We got to show that he's a corrupt cop.

They can go themselves.

I'm Steve Fishman. And I'm Dax Devlin Ross. And this is the burden. Listen to new episodes of the burden on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive bonus content, subscribe to true crime clubhouse on Apple Podcasts.

Hey, this is Dan.

And this is Reed Isbel, also known as the Brothers Hunt.

And we're the host of the podcast God's country, produced by Meat Eater and I Heart podcast.

Y'all should check out our latest episode with our good old buddy Luke cone.

Yeah, I know you saw him on a Grammys performing fast car with Tracy.

Chapman, so that was really cool, man. And I feel like we just connected on that call. And then she agreed to do it. A few weeks later, she agreed to do it. But did you know he once ran the go karts at Asheville fun depot? You can get seven minutes out there. Absolutely no bumping. Keep your hands in.

Wait, we can't bump, but why? Is there a bumper on the car?

No, you can bump if you want to.

You said we can't bump, right?

If you do, I'm going to kick you off.

And you should also definitely listen to this episode if you like Livermush.

Gross. Or if you hate Livermush. There's a town in North Carolina that has a liver mush festival. It's that popular?

Why have we not been to that?

I don't know.

That sounds like.

Why am I not headlining it? Listen to God's country on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

All that sitting and swiping. Our backs hurt. Our eyeballs sting. That's our bodies adapting to our technology, but we can do something about it.

We saw amazing effects.

I really felt like the cloud in my brain kind of dissipated. There's no turning back from me.

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Riley and Marley walked Mr. Strickler and Mr. Curtis through their profile and explained why they believed Jerry Johns was the Bible belt strangler.

None of them were buried or covered up. All of them were just left on the side of the road. And I found a mistake there. That Linda, that last one actually have no binding, but she was actually found doing of that. So I made a small mistake there. Every one of them were found off of a major interstate, just right off except for one. And she was found about 7 miles from an interstate. But she was found 7 miles from another victim that was right on the interstate and matched everything else. But she was just off of a road. But it wasn't a major interstate. It was a side. But any questions? Other questions? Looking at that, the strangulation by ligature seems to be important, and we're going to look more at that.

So this is kind of where things take a turn. Police retested items found from Tina farmer murder and found Jerry Jones body fluids on it. So J. Leon Jones is obviously the man that we think committed these murders. And Tina Farmer, she was killed, and they had not identified her killer until new DNA evidence, like you said, had come out in 2019. And Johns had died in prison while serving time for the attempted murder of Linda, which was two months after farmer was murdered. So she was obviously his survived victim, the only survived victim that we know of. And they were able to arrest him because he stole her car. He thought he had killed her, dumped her, and then stole her car, and she happened to live. He was arrested on March 6, 1985, for the attempted murder of Linda. She was a redheaded exotic dancer and prostitute in Knoxville. Interesting fact. Also, Jerry Leon John's trucking company was based out right outside of Knoxville, and it was actually started illegally. And so we don't have a lot of records from where he was trucking, which can be hard for determining. Was he in the area at this time when this person was killed?

All this stuff. But all of his records, his trucking company was very illegal, so he bound and gagged her before taking her to the side of the interstate and choking her to what he thought was death. And then he dumped her. She was able to gather herself, got out on the interstate. She was actually blind for three days after he had choked her, because he choked her so hard. And she summoned across the interstate naked, blind, and was able to be taken by the police, and they were able to find him via her car that he stole. And then this is who Jerry Leon Jones is. He was born in Tennessee, but him and his family moved around between Rockford, Illinois, East Tennessee, and the Houston, Texas area. So obviously, that's a lot of ground anyway, let alone being a trucker. He is 37 years old this time. He has trucking company called rebel trucking. He had a very extensive criminal record since he was 15 years old. Started out little stuff, and obviously escalated. He was sentenced to 74 years for the kidnapping and attempted murder. This is court documents. Treasure trove. These documents show the specific bindings and ligatures that he used on her.

And these help us build a timeline for where he was, what he was doing at the time. It provides us with TBI, interview notes, which are very helpful. And we kind of get to see what kind of person he was, get insight to his psyche, and also, when we're looking at different crimes, we think trying to look for a trigger, maybe. So him and his wife were half sister, half sister and half brother, and they got married. Obviously, people are telling them, you can't do this. If you have a child, it's going to be messed up. Even though that takes generations. People say, your child's going to be messed up. If you have a kid, they end up having a son. The son gets cancer at three years old and ends up passing away. And everybody's telling Jerry, this is your fault. This is because you did this, because you got married to your half sister, your child died. And obviously, any grieving parent, this is not something they want to hear. And immensely unstable man, it's untelling the kind of anger that he built up and his resentment. And obviously, he has an anger towards women in these crumbs.

And the relationship with his mother, as I understand, was very, very strange, different. And his half sister, his wife, was redheaded, and his mother was also redheaded.

The marriage dissolved a year or so after the death of the child. She actually moved back to Illinois. And when she left in 1984, we get six murders in about nine months where he's driving not just with no boss, but now with nobody at home. And basically, he and he and his brother are just traveling around, and a bunch of dead women show up exactly the same way where he's traveling for about nine months straight.

One thing that normally, when someone is strangled with a ligature, whether it's a rope, whether it's like, appears to be maybe a t shirt, if your defendant here is right handed, they tend to tie a knot in a right handed fashion, or a left handed person will tie one in a left handed fashion. So that's one thing to look at.

So he said he was right handed.

Riley spoke about Tracy Sue Walker.

Tracy Sue Walker. She was the main victim that I focused on. She was just identified in August of 2022, very, very recently, and she was dubbed baby girl Jane Doe until she was identified because she was so young. They estimate she was between 14 to 16 whenever she was murdered. But they found out that she's 15, so. Right on it. But she disappeared from Tippa Canoe county, which is in Indiana, as you see right there. And her body was recovered in Campbell County, Tennessee, which is almost 9 hours away. So she disappeared from a mall. She was last seen with a friend at tip of Canoe county mall. And she was a kind of troubled child. Her mom had reported her as running away twice before that, so they thought.

That maybe she'd just run away.

We're not 100% sure, but her body was found 9 hours away in gamble county. That's interesting part. Another victim, Tina farmer, who we know was killed by Jerry Leon Johns, disappeared from Indianapolis, Indiana, which is about an hour from Tippicanu county. But their bodies were found less than 7 miles apart in Campbell county. So how did two girls disappear from about the same area, 9 hours away, and their bodies are recovered within miles of each other?

Eerily similar. They were all found on trucking routes between his homes, his family homes, trucking hubs, all significant areas that would be related back to him. And although he spent many years in prison, all of the victims were killed when he was not in custody.

I agree. He's probably good for those two, for sure, just because of the location of where they're missing from and then the location of where their bodies were found. I would agree. So, I mean, you're headed in the right direction. I think your profiles of your victims are well done. And I've always said you have to be able to try to identify, identify the victims and then do a timeline on the victims first, which is what you're doing that will lead you to your potential suspects or subjects.

So, in summary, he puts himself at every secondary crime scene, but once again, he didn't do it. But he was there. He was convicted on two of the crimes with direct evidence, meaning DNA. And his timeline shows the only time that he was not in jail is when the murders happen. The murders that fit this MO and signature stop right after his arrest.

So I think a judge would actually probably let a good bit of this in. The caveat being he wasn't prosecuted for a lot, so, like, they'd not been substantiated in a court of law. And getting a conviction based on the pattern of behavior would be a lot more powerful than we put this together. He's dead now. You got to understand, on the law enforcement side, the motivation to solve some of this is they're tree dodging. There's a new murder happening in that county this week, this month.

Despite that, Mr. Curtis had some good news.

It's an incredible profile. How confident would you be if you had all that information and you went to a grand jury, that you could.

Get a true graduate solid this overdue. I'm thoroughly impressed.

Thank you.

Guys have done a great job, to say the least. All those bindings, there's a real good chance that they should be able to get some kind of touch DNA from that nowadays, for sure. Nowadays. You did wonderful. Great job.

Thank you. Thanks for listening.

Let's stop here for another quick break.

In the 1980s, and York City needed a tough cop like Detective Louis Scarcella.

Putting bad guys away. There's no feeling like it in the world. He was the guy who made sure the worst killers were brought to justice.

That's one version this guy is a piece of. Derek Hamilton was put away from murder by Detective Scarcella in prison. Derek turned himself into the best jailhouse lawyer of his generation.

Law was my girlfriend. This is my only way to freedom.

Derek and other convicted murderers started a law firm behind bars.

We never knew we had the same cop in the case. Scarcella.

We got to show that he's a corrupt cop.

They can go themselves. I'm Steve Fishman. And I'm Dax Devlin Ross. And this is the burden. Listen to new episodes of the burden on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive bonus content. Subscribe to true crime Clubhouse on Apple Podcasts.

Hey, this is Dan.

And this is Reed Isbel, also known as the Brothers Hunt.

And we're the host of the podcast God's country, produced by Meat Eater and I Heart podcast.

Y'all should check out our latest episode with our good old buddy Luke cone.

Yeah, I know you saw him on a Grammys performing fast car with Tracy.

Chapman, so that was really cool, man. And I feel like we just connected on that call. And then she agreed to do it. A few weeks later, she agreed to do it. But did you know he once ran the go carts at Asheville fun depot? You can get seven minutes out there. Absolutely no bumping. Keep your hands in.

Wait, we can't bump, but why? Is there a bumper on the car?

No, you can bump if you want to.

You said we can't bump, right?

If you do, I'm going to kick you off.

And you should also definitely listen to this episode if you like Livermush, gross.

Or if you hate Livermush, there's a town in North Carolina that has a liver mush festival. It's that popular.

Why have we not been to that?

I don't know.

That sounds like, why am I not headlining it?

Listen to God's country on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

All that sitting and swiping. Our backs hurt. Our eyeballs sting. That's our bodies adapting to our technology, but we can do something about it.

We saw amazing effects.

I really felt like the cloud in my brain kind of dissipated. There's no turning back from me.

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The following week, the club met back up.

Well, good morning, ladies. How are y'all doing?

Doing good. How are you?

Well, it's early, and I'm a little bit tired, but not bad for a Monday. What y'all do this weekend?

I didn't really do very much on Saturday, but on Sunday, I went to church and basketball practice.

Didn't you have a big ball game Friday night?

Well, Friday night count as the weekend.

Yeah, the after 03:00 Friday count. So how'd the ball game go?

We won. Yeah, that was good.

And then, Riley, you might have had something extra special on Friday.

Yeah, I won homecoming for the junior class, so that was kind of cool. I was just glad I didn't fall or pass out. But, yeah, I had a really busy weekend, so that homecoming was on Friday. And then Saturday, me and my mom went to a covenant college in Georgia for a recruitment visit to watch them play and talk to their coaches and everything. So that was pretty cool. And that took up pretty much the whole day Saturday. And then yesterday, I went to church and went to basketball practice and then went back to church. It was a very jam packed few.

It was. And so we were presenting to a former assistant district attorney, now a defense attorney, and retired homicide detective. And so I would just love to get your all's kind of thoughts and reflections on how do you think it went.

I think it went really well. I was very nervous going into it, I will say that. But it was really cool. It was cool to get someone else's perspective on all the work that we've been doing and working so hard on, because it's just kind of us three sometimes, and it's good to get, like, an outside viewpoint on everything, like, hoping that they'd like it and think it was good work. And they did.

Yeah. Okay. And then, Ronnie, what about you?

Yeah, I have to agree with Marley. And I was really nervous going in, but then to see people who've been there, done that and seen a lot of different cases and stuff to just validate what we've been seeing and where we put our time and effort and energy and to see them kind of like, pat us on the back, which we don't do it for that. But it's really nice and really reassuring to have that.

So I really enjoyed it. I wasn't nervous going in because I know that you guys have done some stellar work, but I was curious to see, like you said, I'm a teacher, you're some students. What do professionals in the field really think about the work? A homicide detective, it's his job to gather evidence and put together evidence for the DA and to see what he thought about our evidence. And also I thought it was interesting to hear from the former assistant district attorney about what he thought about the evidence. Could it actually go to a grand jury? Was it sufficient? Have we covered all the bases? And do you guys remember anything about maybe some of the stuff they'd said about the work you'd done?

I think that the former assistant district attorney said how there had been cases in court that had won with significantly less evidence than what we had.

Yeah. What did you think about that?

I thought that was pretty crazy because sometimes it can get discouraging because there is little information. It's like, oh, we have this Jane Doe. We have no clue how she lives. It kind of feel like we're grasping at straws and stuff. But just to see the information we do have is so valid and could potentially pull up in court and there's trials that have been held with significantly less evidence. Like Marley said, that was really reassuring to the work that we've been doing and really just shows that we're doing something that actually has substance. It's not just for our own enjoyment or for our own passion that we have. This could actually mean something to some jury or some court.

I thought it was just really reassuring. And like Riley said, everything we're doing has a purpose. And it shows that this could really help somebody. And I know that if it was, like my family member or something and I saw these people doing it and these people saying this about their work, it'd make me feel, like, really good.

Okay, so now we have a problem. It's a good problem, but it's a problem. And we had the same problem five years ago when the students did the work and they created the profile and the profiler said, this is excellent. I wouldn't disagree with anything. Well, what good is a profile if it doesn't get out to where people can use it? So that's why we decided to have the press conference. Well, if we just let it stop here, then it doesn't go forward to help anybody.

I don't want to just give up on this or think we've taken it as far as we can go because these women still don't have justice and there's still so many of them that aren't identified and so many, I think, can be identified. So I'm really not sure what the next step should be, but I definitely know that this isn't where we should end.

What about you, Marley?

I still want to be able to help the families and give them closure.

Yeah, I've been thinking about that too. And we did try to invite the TBI. Every one of these cases just about has been taken over by the TBI. If they were in the state of Tennessee, they have been. There's a couple that are just outside of the state that have not been. And to be honest, I've had very limited success in getting in contact with the people who are responsible for those cases. So we invited the TBI to come and listen to the presentation that you did on Friday. However, they said that every single agent they had was too busy and would be busy the rest of the year. And it's so. And I understand they are busy. Crime never sleeps, right? We're always up to no good. But I think that my question for myself was if detectives feel like this is good enough to go to the DA and the DA feels like it's good enough to go to a grand jury, and since the person we feel that did this is dead and all you can do is take it to a grand jury, get the true bill and then consider the case closed.

The question for me is why aren't Das doing this? Or why aren't law enforcement agencies turning this over to the DAs so they can go forward? And I think the only people we have left to present to would be the media. And there's several reasons why. Number one, last time we got a body identified. Excuse me, three bodies identified and one of those cases was solved within a year or two. So maybe we'll get the same luck. Because when you put this out there, you're going to get tips, you're going to have people calling in, you're going to have true crime sluice looking on the Internet, looking at missing people, looking at the DeSoto County Jane Doe. And maybe we can get a few more identifications through the media because it will get picked up on the media and it'll get out to people. Number two, maybe other people can ask different agencies what they're doing with the cases. Sometimes they're just triaging cases. The most important ones, ones that have a lead, the newest ones, ones that parents are calling, we work on those first. The ones that are 40 years old and they're cold and we have no information and nobody's calling.

It just has to be the last one we work. So what do you all think about taking this to the media and letting the media get the word out for us?

I think that's definitely a good idea and probably our next best step as far as furthering this and seeing what we can do, because other than that, I don't think that there's a better alternative.

Yeah, I agree.

So I know how to call a press conference. I've done it before. One time five years ago. Worked pretty well. What do you think about getting a hold of TV and news media from each of the areas where these women were found or went missing from? We only know where two went missing from. We could maybe contact that media and then tell them we're going to have it and then just let them show up. The ones that can't make it, we can email them. The last time, five years ago, one of the local news agencies actually live streamed it.

Oh, wow.

So they could watch the live stream, they could get a media kit of the information, and then they could do whatever they wanted with it. So if they want to ask their local law enforcement or their local das, or if they just want to get the word out there and let people in the public see it and go to work on it on their own time, then I think that would be maybe something we could do. I guess the big question is, when do we want to schedule it? Homecoming queen and basketball games and college tours. You all busy people. So let's think about a time we can do it and then let's set it. Maybe give ourselves about two weeks. I think what we need to do is go back through the information, see if we want to reformat anything, because it's different. Presenting to the group we presented to on Friday and the media group.

Yeah.

Also we probably need to put together a media packet, which we can have them sign up for when they come in and then we can email it to them after it's over. We could maybe have some hard copies available to them, maybe that day or something, but that'll give us a couple of weeks to do that work. And, of course, give them some time to plan on being here if they can be here.

Right?

No. Feeling good.

Feeling good. I'm excited.

Feeling good and excited. Yeah. How many games you all have left?

Oh, gosh.

We're halfway through conference play.

Regular season games. There's probably five or six left.

Okay.

And then we have districts and regionals.

And all that takes like a month, even though it's less games.

Oh, wait, you're saying you're going to go all the way, go a month into the.

I'm planning on it.

That's what I like. I like the positivity.

Hopefully this week we get bumped to third in the state because the team that was ranked ahead of us got beat.

Okay.

Exciting.

Yeah.

Gets a little overwhelming.

That's right. You all just hang in there, though. It's going to get more overwhelming when the world realizes, I think the quality of the work you guys have been doing. This will be cool, too.

It is really cool seeing the people recognizing, like you said, because a lot of times it's just been us three in here, and then other people from the outside are like, wow, this is actually really good work. And I think people are really surprised, too, when it's high school students. But, yeah, that's just been rewarding to see. And it's kind of like why this was all for a purpose.

All right, well, I hope you all have a great day. Get back with me. Either see me in the hall or send me an email and let me know about that day. And I'll call a friend of mine and we'll see what he thinks about that day and if he has any insight on maybe what we should do or how we should do it, and we'll go from there. All right, awesome, ladies.

Sounds good.

You all have a great day.

Okay, too.

All right.

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