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Listen to Our Way on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. A group of high school students. High school students. Elizabeth and high school students started a project to research a string of unsolved murders. Their research led to the identification of the killer.

Investigators now have an answer to a 34-year-old question.

Once you start getting a few tips or a few leads or few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold anymore. There's a pretty good chance he's still alive. Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out to be accurate.

Redhead killer profile, male, Caucasian, 5'9 to 6'2, 180 to 270 pounds. Unstable home, absent father and a domineering mother. Right-handed, IQ above 100, most likely heterosexual.

There is no profile of this killer except for the ones the students created.

Just because some of these women no longer have people to speak for them does not mean that they deserve to not be spoken for.

What if this guy is still alive?

What if he comes after us?

I said, Are you going to kill me?

He said, Yes.

This is murder 101, season one episode 5, The Next Generation. I'm Jeff Shane, a television and podcast producer at KT Studios with Stephanie Lidecker, Courtney Armstrong, and Andrew Arnault. It had been four and a half years since the original assignment wrapped up, but Mr. Campbell always felt there was more to uncover. While scheduling and timing made it challenging for Mr. Campbell to teach another sociology class, something even better would come his way. In the fall of 2022, I spoke to him about a potentially game-changing update.

I mean, who says it has to be them to do the work? I mean, this class did this work four or five years ago, but I have students now that could to do the work, too, and may want to do the work. For example, I had two young ladies basically beg me to teach a class on criminal psychology. And it's so funny because I don't even think they knew really all the background of things I did years ago. They weren't even at the high school then. But what I'm saying is there is work that needs to be done. But we also have other students that I think are really willing to do it. They want to learn and they want to do exciting things and help people, too.

If there's a world where we can bring high school students in and have them be a part of these group meets where you assign things and we talk about it and sign me up.

We had a teacher get sick, and so we're short of subs. Teachers help cover each other's classes I went into that classroom, and it was a health science class or something. I don't know how it came up, but they got their work done. There was a few minutes at the end, and I'm just in there to make sure everything's calm. I don't have anything new to teach them or anything. They started talking talking about it, and it just comes out. They're so into this. They're so into true crime. They're so into psychology and sociology and criminology. They were so excited. And then I'm sitting here thinking like, they don't have any idea who they're talking to. Because I'm excited about this stuff, too. And they don't realize that there's this very important work that needs to be continued.

A few days later, Mr. Campbell officially enlisted Junior's, Wriley Witson and Marley Mathena to help work the case. The plan was for the two teens to start meeting Mr. Campbell before school to see what they could find.

Okay, so originally, the students from about four or five years ago were looking at six different victims. But because of their work, a lot of stuff has really been coming out in the last few years. Why don't you ladies tell me what you've been working on? Marley, why don't you go first?

I've been working on the DeSoto County Jane Doe, and she was found January 24th in 1985. She was adjacent to Highway 78 in Olive Ranch, Mississippi, and she was white with red or strawberry blonde hair. She was about 20 to 35 years old. She was a smaller lady. She was only 110 pounds, about 5'2 to 5'4. She was wearing a top, some jeans, but she had no underwear, socks, shoes, bra, jewelry, any of that. They don't know her eye color. They think maybe brown, but they don't know for sure. She had scars from surgeries and piercings and tattoos and everything. They think that she was sexually assaulted and her cause of death was asphyxiation by ligature strangulation.

So you feel the DeSoto County Jane Doe deserves to be included with the other six that the students had found a few years back?

Yeah, I think she does.

I don't know. What is it that jumps out about that case that makes you think it needs to be included in that list?

Well, it just lines up with everything, like the strangulation, and that she's smaller, has red hair, and that she was dumped off on a highway.

Now, you said it was in Mississippi? Yes. Mississippi doesn't seem to fit the East West I-40 corridor thing. Where's that at, Mississippi?

It's in Olive Branch, but I think that's where his sister He lives- Jerry John's sister?

Yes. He did have a sister that lived in Batesville, which I think was just south of the Tennessee state line. So maybe we need to look at that and let's see how far this victim was found from West Memphis, where Lisa Nichols was found. And then let's see how far that is from his sister's hometown there in Mississippi. So maybe we can do that by next week. Does that sound good? Yeah. All right, Raleigh, what have you been digging into?

I've been looking at the case of Baby Girl Jane Doe, who has now been identified as Tracy Sue Walker. Walker was born June second, 1963, and reportedly went missing from Tippa Canoe Mall in 1978, which made her around 15 years old at the time of her disappearance. Her mother also reported her as running away a couple of times. So this made people believe that she had just run away until she was identified in 2022.

Okay, so what are some of the things you think make this case deserve to be included with the original six?

Obviously, she had red hair. She was younger, smaller girls. Some of the previously mentioned similarities between all of these cases. But something very interesting we found in the last couple of weeks of research was that there were similarities between the knots and cloth of Tina Farmer and the survivor, Linda Schiff. So that's been a very interesting finding and pretty compelling as far as tying this all to Jerry Leon John.

Are you looking at that on your computer? Yes. Let me see that. This is fascinating because a few years back, we scoured the internet. The students scoured the internet looking for all this information. And I'm going to be honest, this was not there a few years ago. And holy mac, I think this is big. So let me tell you this, what state is that in?

I know it was up north a little bit. I think it was Indiana. Hold on. Yeah, Indiana. Lafayette.

Lafayette. Lafayette, Indiana. That is very interesting because I know that area, not because I've ever been up through there, but actually Tina Farmer, who was the other Campbell County Jane Doe, went missing from around Indianapolis.

Yes.

Which is, at that time, probably close to a 10-hour drive from Knoxville, which is where Jerry Leon Johns was spending a lot of time. Right. And so think about this. Think about this for a second. Tina Farmer goes missing from around Indianapolis. This girl goes missing from Lafayette, which is about an hour from Indianapolis. And those are about 10 hours away, and both of those girls end up dead within a mile of each other, 10 hour drive away. I think that's really big.

What's the chances that that would happen? It's either the greatest coincidence of all time or...

And they're both red-headed, and they're both white, and they're both teenagers, and they both have the same body style, and height and weight and all those things. That is crazy. And then also, I know that by looking at the history of Jerry Leon Johns, that the cops put together for the Linda Shipp prosecution, that he had He live in Rockford, Illinois, and he still had family in Rockford, Illinois. And if you look on the interstate, you have to go through... From Tennessee, you have to go through Indianapolis and Lafayette to get to Rockford, which is about an hour away. So if he's traveling back and forth from his family, back down to areas here in Tennessee, in East Tennessee, those interstates, those cities is on that interstate right on the way. And the fact that both those young ladies went missing from so far away and then end up dead within a mile of each other, within a couple of years of each other, about 30 miles north of where Jerry Leon Johns is hanging out, that's crazy.

And from what we've seen, I believe that Jerry Leon Johns, I believe he's a very opportunistic but also calculated killer. So I think wherever he's traveling, that's where we'll see the path of destruction. You know what I'm saying? So when we see these patterns of him traveling to these different places, he's bound to wreak havoc where he goes.

Yeah. So I think that's big. I definitely agree with you. We need to look at the Tracy Sue Walker case. And that's not because of bad work of the original students. It's because this new information is coming.

She wasn't identified until August of this year. Okay.

Awesome. So I think you guys are doing a good job. I think we definitely need to continue to look at these two victims, and maybe they need to be included in the inner circle. Marlene, we'll go back to you. What do you think you need to do next to really solidify the fact that you think she's connected with these other murders?

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Murder 101.

I think I definitely need to figure out the relationship between where she was found and where his sister lived. So definitely figure out that. So then it gives a reason for why he would be going down there, and it just connects it. So it's not like it's crazy out of the way. And then I think look at the other victims a little bit more and try and find connecting factors between this.

And an unfortunate fact, too, is so many of these women were done an injustice as far as the investigation goes, just because so many of them were transient or were possible sex workers or away from home. So many of them were done a disservice by the justice system, and enough attention wasn't given to them. For Tina Farmer and Linda, they were cloth that had been tied around their necks, and the knot was in the cloth around their necks.

All right, so right here, I have a huge three-ring This is all of the information that was collected for the Linda attempted murder by Jerry Leon Johns. So that's the only one that went to court. So we have all this information, and I have it right here. And in this stack of a couple of hundred pages, We actually went down to Nashville, and here are some pictures of the knots that were tied around her neck. Now, it says in here that he took the T-shirt she was wearing, ripped it into strips, and then used that to bind her ankles together, and then her wrist together, and then tied her wrist to her ankles like a hog tie. And when she was in the car, that's how she was tied. And so then he used those T-shirt strips to strangle her. You're telling me that they found something similar on Tina Farmer, who was also the other Campbell County victim?

Yes. They found cloth that had been ripped up tied around the neck of her as well. So very similar, as you said, too. Just something interesting that when we were first looking into this case, it just blew my mind and shows you the ruthlessness and the savageness of Jerry Leon Johns, whenever Linda was choked, she was choked so hard that she was blind for three days after the assault. And the YTS of her eyes, we've seen the pictures from the hospital, the YTS in her eyes were completely red, as deep as as you can think. It was a haunting sight to see her picture from the hospital.

I'm going to say something else. That information about Tina Farmer being strangled with a cloth was not out there either. It didn't say anything like that when we were looking. I didn't even know that she was found in a blanket until it came out that she was identified, and they knew that Jerry Leone Johnson killed her because his DNA was found on the blanket. So they didn't even release that. So the fact that now we know that she was strangled with a cloth, probably from a T-shirt.

From her T-shirt. From a T-shirt. It says from her T-shirt.

Okay, from her T-shirt.

Very similar to Linda Shipp.

Then this girl, Tracy Walker, who disappeared about an hour from Tina Farmer, up in Indianapolis, ends up about a mile away from her. She also has been... They found the T-shirt that survived? Yes, I believe. So they have strips of cloth with a knot in there. And then we know for a fact on the Linda's case, that he tied her and then strangle her with a T-shirt. If that is not signature- Honestly, yeah. Then I don't know what is. I totally agree that Tracy Sue Walker definitely needs to be right in the center of the possible victims.

I believe we should look and see what we can find on other victims to see if there's that possible same MO. I mean, if he did something so similar for these three victims, he's bound to do it for others.

Is there anything else we need to do this week, just research and see if we can continue to pull these together.

Like I said, I think looking more into... I mean, we know some of these small details that may seem insignificant, but these are the type of details that we're going to put together to really make a compelling case for ourselves. Yeah.

Well, girls, great job. I know it's almost time to go to class. I appreciate you all coming in early. I know you got your busy, you got basketball, you got school, but I appreciate you all coming in before school and working on this in your spare time. I really think we've come a long way. I can't wait to see what else you guys find.

So who are the young woman going above and beyond in the search of justice?

I'm Reilly Whitton, obviously. I'm 16. I'll be 17 the day before No, two days before Halloween. So I've always had that spooky ambiance, follow me around everywhere I go. But yeah, I've always been very interested, morbidly, and I'm fascinated with stuff that most people are like, wow, you're either going to be a serial killer or a brain surgeon when you grow up.

Hi, I'm Marley Messina. I'm a junior at Elizabethon High School, and I'm 16.

Marley spoke about the extracurricular club.

We started a little club, which right now it's just me and Raleigh. So we just started getting into it. I would say that it's definitely out there. I'm not going to take away from that. But anyone's capable of anything.

So we decided to come in early, a few times a week, and do do some work on our own when we could. Me and Marley both play basketball for the school, so we'll be in the locker room talking about it, and all our teammates are like, What the heck is going on? The rest is history, I guess.

Marley and Raleigh are best friends.

Raleigh is my best friend. She has been since third grade, so we've always been close. In third grade, we met her basketball, and we both still play basketball now. I used to go over to her house all the time, and we just did everything together. Back then, I used to be really, really quiet. I would have a panic attack before I had this phone call, and she was more outgoing, but she still probably the more the outgoing one and all that. But I think I've gained a little bit more of the outgoingness from her.

We spoke to Wiley's dad, Mr. Woodson.

I mean, they are literally best BFFs, best friends. Our families are best friends. We vacation together. We go to Florida together every year. When we travel, we stay We get together on weekends, cookouts, swim, hang by the pool. And she has a younger brother who is the same age as my youngest daughter and their best friend.

So it's just like our whole family dynamic.

We didn't know them back then, but me and my wife got married like a month apart from Marley's mom and dad, Mikey and Courtney. And then we had our first kids at the same time and our second kids at the same time. They're just a couple months apart. So, yeah, it's a pretty interesting dynamic.

We also got the chance to connect with Marley's mom, Mrs. Mathina.

They are peanut butter and jelly. Raleigh is much more... Raleigh is the extrovert. She's outgoing. She could talk to anyone. She's definitely not shy. She performs. She has a beautiful singing voice and it's comfortable. At many events, everything from performing with the praise band at her church, she sings at funerals, she has song in front of very large crowds for community events, the National Anthem. So Raleigh's out there. Marley's more the quiet behind the scenes, but they balance each other so well. One is more cautious, one is more of a risk taker. You've got one pulling the turtle out of the shell and the other one tempering. I mean, they are just yin and yang. They are a perfect sweet little friendship. Basketball is their passion. Last year, their team went to the state tournament. We didn't win the championship, but we had an awesome run, and we lost no players. We had the juniors and sophomores last year, so our goal this year is for the girls to go back. They're working very hard. Raleigh is point guard. She is an awesome shooter. She has the most beautiful three-point shot you've ever seen. Molly plays the post position.

Again, her timidness has been something that she's been working to come out of. She has really grown and pushed herself again to the next level in her post position, really going after the ball and crashing the boards and rebounding. Both girls are very, very, very hard workers on the court, off the court, in the classroom. Whatever they do, their work ethic, they will put in 110 %. So them getting up at seven o'clock in the morning, that's not out of character for them.

Aside from being honor students and star basketball players, what truly bonded the girls was their obsession with true crime.

And I think that falls in with wanting to solve the Jane Doe type stuff. She loves helping people less fortunate, like at church. If we're at church and there's kids in the youth who are less fortunate, Raleigh will gravitate to those kids. She wants to love on those kids and help those kids. I think that really is part of her passion for wanting to solve the Jane Doe. She wants to help these ladies out or these people, these victims who don't have a voice anymore. She wants to help them out. She is a typical teenager, but she's on her phone a lot, but I'm not kidding. If she's on her phone for five hours in her spare time of day, four and a half hours is listening to a crime podcast.

For Marley's mom, the newfound interest came as a bit of a shock.

She is not the child that enjoys Thrill Rod. She has never watched scary movies. And it's like, Wow, so now you're interested in true crime. That's surprising. But she's really interested into the scientific, the forensic. And she's like, To make big impacts in life, you have to go outside the box.

The club took a few days to review the information before meeting back up.

So what have you been finding?

So like I said previously, we're just trying to tie Tracy Walker with the rest of these victims because we feel that there's a lot of compelling evidence that ties her to Jay Leonjons. So something very interesting I found, here I'm looking at my map. Tina Farmer was from Indianapolis in Indiana, and Tracy Walker was from Lafayette in Indiana.

And that's about an hour or maybe?

Yeah, roundabout, something like that. Well, we've covered that Jerry Leon John was a trucker. Well, there's a highway or interstate that goes directly between these two, and he would have taken this route so he didn't have to go through Chicago, which most truckers would not want to go through Chicago due to traffic, obvious reasons. So there's a direct line between these two cities, which he would have taken, which I think is very... Just give us a direct line. But even more than that, directly above to the left of these two cities is Rockford Illinois, which was where Jerry Leon John's family was from. When him and his wife divorced, she actually moved back there. I mean, it's practically a perfect diagonal line.

It's high way of death. Yes. As sad as that is.

I mean, there's just so many similarities. There's no way it's coincidental, in my opinion.

It's hard to say two people got kidnapped 10 hours away and their bodies ended up within a mile of each other.

And it wasn't the same person.

Everything else matches. Exactly.

And this is actually pretty interesting. But per Namus, we figured out that the De Soto County Jane Doe was also strungled with a ligature.

Did it say anything about what type of ligature on Namus?

It didn't. It just said that it was a ligature, but she was missing a jacket and undergarments, which I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

But he could have used the jacket. Yeah. That's a lot of good work for a couple of days. I got to give you all a pretty good grade, too. But you're getting ready to have your big three-day weekend. Don't rub it in. These teachers have to work on Friday. But what do you think we need to do?

Figure out more about what the literature could have been.

Raleigh, what are you going to be working on?

I believe just, again, trying to tie more of these cases together, looking into specific small details, even if they seem insignificant, because I feel like those add up. Just seeing that Tina Farmer and Tracy Walker were from Lafayette and Indianapolis, you wouldn't think too much into that. But seeing that route to Rockford, that's just It would be compelling, in my opinion. So maybe looking at some more geography, seeing if these would have been routes that he would have taken.

I think also we need to keep working on our timeline, where what was he doing when Tracy Walker disappears?

Maybe see what he's doing. Something I thought about, too, those intricate knots. Could he have got those from his military training? Yeah. In his boot camp? It'd be interesting to see what those types of knots are used for if we could identify them.

I would love to maybe show this to a not expert. Absolutely.

In between meetings, Reilly spoke about why she was motivated to do this work.

These were people. They weren't names. They weren't Jane Doe's. They weren't people who didn't... They were loved, and they were cherished at some point in their lives, and their family members have gone this long, maybe not even knowing if they're dead or alive, just wondering if they're still out there. And nobody wants to hear that their daughter or sister or cousin has been killed. But I think if we can bring closure to some of these people and to some of these families and say, This is what happened. This is who did it. They didn't run away willingly, or they were still out there, or they're not still out there. I think that would just be so rewarding in itself, just to know that we were able to bring some peace some closure to people. That gets me so frustrated because I've heard it. People will talk about it and people are like, You're so young. Why are you worried about this? Because if we don't face this issue now, my daughter or my mom or my sister, it could be them one day. If this was anybody in my family, I would want everybody and anybody doing whatever they could to help out.

If I can give a little bit of my time to honor these women and take back their names from Gerri Leonjones. It's just so heartbreaking to see see these women die and no change come from it. This is the worst possible circumstance and the worst possible thing that could happen to a person, and there's not even change coming from that. They shouldn't have died at all, but they should not have died in pain more than that.

Let's stop here for another quick break.

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I was coming back on the plane, and he said, Will you pass the salt and pepper?

And I misheard him.

I What?

Sergeant Pepper. This season, we're diving deep into some of McCartney's most beloved songs, Yesterday, Bound on the Run, Hey Jude, and McCartney's favorite song in his entire catalog, Here, There, and Everywhere. Listen to season 2 of McCartney, A Life and Lyrx on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm Susie Esman. And I am Jeff Garland. Yes, you are. And we are the hosts of the history of Curbier Enthusiasm podcast. We're going to watch every single episode. It's 122, including the pilot, and we're going to break them down. And by the way, most of these episodes I have not seen for 20 years. Yeah, me too. We're going to have guest stars and people that are very important to the show, like Larry David. I did once try and stop a woman who was about to get hit by a car. I screamed out, Watch out. And she said, Don't you tell me what to do. And Sheryl Hines.

Why can't you just lighten up and have a good time?

And Richard Lewis. How am I going to tell I'm going to leave now?

Can you do it on the phone? Do you have to do it in person? What's the deal?

Not canceling cable. You have to go in. He's a human being.

He's helped you.

And then we're going to have behind the scenes information. Tidbits. Yes, Tidbits is a great word. Anyway, we're both a wealth of knowledge about this show because we've been doing it for 23 years. So subscribe now and you could listen to the history of Curbant Enthusiasm on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you happen to get your podcasts. Hey, this is Dana Sports. You may know my voice from Nobleblood, Halewood, or Stealing Superman. I'm hosting a new podcast, and we're calling it Very Special Episodes.

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I said, Mr. Perot, what we need is $5 million to get back a Moonrock.

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It sounds like it should be the next season of True Detective or something.

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Murder 101.

While Reilly and Marley continued to research, Mr. Campbell set off to locate the only known surviving victim of the Bible Belt Strangler. When the club reconvened, he had promising news.

Hey, good morning, ladies. How are you all doing?

Good.

Good, yeah. Yeah, this is our last day before a little three-day weekend you guys get. So I appreciate you all coming in early. If If this story had a hero, in my opinion, that is his final victim, which is Linda Beck. She was the lady who was attacked, left for dead beside the road. He knew what it was like to literally see the life go out of their eyes because he choked them, probably facing them with a ligature. And so he left her for dead beside the road. And we have to assume that she wasn't breathing, and she was for all intents and purposes dead. But she comes back to life. She starts breathing again, and then she gets out of the culvert and goes into the interstate and gets somebody to help her. I remember she was blind for three days. He choked her so badly. She couldn't see. She actually made it all the way across two lanes of traffic through the median and into the other lane. And she really didn't know she was out in the middle road. She just knew she was close to some traffic. But because she got out there and she got help so quickly, she was able to tell the police what he looked like, what he was driving, where they were, and they caught him.

They caught him that night. And because of that, he didn't get to hurt anybody else, which is great. But if it wasn't for her will to live and just the toughness and tenacity she had, he would have gone on to hurt more and more and more people. He wasn't going to stop. So if there's anybody that's the hero in this story, it's Lyndon. And I've been looking for her for a long time. And what I found was she had gotten divorced a couple of years later. She had a child, and then she moved So whenever I found him, I started looking up his name. And then I found the death notice in the paper. And at the bottom, it had listed like a special friend, and it mentioned Lyndon. So I was like, all right, not many people make it into that death announcement, so maybe it's her. So whenever I began to look for that, I found a lot of Lyndon, as you can imagine, across the country. So I just began to look, where do you look when you want to find somebody? On Facebook, right? So I pulled out Facebook, I started looking.

And when I looked, I'm like, this is probably her. So I began to dig through her post, and I find that she had mentioned something about being with her son, and his last name was Shea. So that was her first child. And then I find all these links to Greenvoal, Green County, Washington County, Tennessee. And then that falls off a few years ago, and she appears in New York, and it looks like that's where at least one of her children live. So I think I found her, and it's I'm like the dog that chased the car and then caught it. What are you going to do? I've looked for so long, and now I know where she's at, and I have a way to contact her.

And she may not know the lives that she's possibly saved.

Well, that's true. I was talking about her being the hero of the story. If she doesn't have that will to live, if she doesn't call the police and go through the prosecution, then he continues to hurt people and kill people. So does she even know this? I mean, it's been hard. She was just a few years older than you all. So you all have any advice for me as I reach out to her?

I wouldn't go into it as if you're... Don't make her feel she's on trial or like you're asking her questions, questions. Get to know her first. Ask her about her current interest, her family, how she likes to be. Just get to know her first and get that personal connection. I think it'll be a lot easier for her to open up with you if she wants to. And at the same time, don't push. Obviously, don't push if she doesn't want to.

Sending a message to her instead of calling her. So that may be better since she can answer on her own time and not feel like, pressured. She has to talk about it right then. It's supposed to.

She might need a little bit to gather what she wants to say and what she doesn't want to say. That's a good point. Just really reinforcing the idea that her story could save even more lives. It saved lives because she stopped Joey Leonjon, in my opinion. But at the same time, She could bring so much justice and peace and closure to so many families now.

I would think so, too. Okay, well, hey, I think that's been a pretty good week. So what are you going to do over your three-day weekend?

Probably just research some more.

So you all do schoolwork even when you're off school?

Yeah.

Not like calculus there.

Oh, no. I have to go do my calculus homework right now in first period because I was looking at this.

That's right. The bell just rang, right? Well, you guys scurry on the class, but thank you for your work. I think it's been a really good week. And we'll just keep working and see what you find.

Excited to see what we find.

Yeah, for sure. And then I'll see if I can get up the nerve to call Linda and see how she feels about that.

Crossing my fingers, toes and eyes. Yes.

All right. Well, thank you, guys. Have a great day, okay?

Thank I think you do.

Hello. Is this Linda D.

Yes.

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