Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with My Husband. I'm Payton Morland.

And I'm Garrett Morland.

And he's the husband. I'm the husband. I think I figured out why the intro sometimes weirds my brain out. Okay. Because sometimes I say, welcome back to the podcast, and sometimes I say, welcome back to our podcast. I never noticed that. I think when I switch it up, my brain's like, it glitches.

I could see that.

Anyways, it still weirds me out every time I say it. Okay, before we jump into Garrett's 10 seconds, if you are listening on Apple or Spotify or on podcast platform and are able to leave a review, a five-star review, please go do that now. If you are watching on YouTube right now, give this video a- Big thumbs up. -a big fat thumbs up. Do it right now. We'll wait.

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We're about to head to New York, and I am pumped to try some bagels. We also did a something-something. Payton hosted a little murder mystery dinner for FX. It was really fun. We went up to LA, and that's what we're doing in New York this weekend as well, besides eating a bunch of bagels.

Yeah, I had a blast.

It was cool.

I was like, Give me a script. I didn't even have to memorize it. I could just read from my script. It was great.

You have paint and a script. She can do anything.

I can read a script. If you need someone to host your murder mystery dinner, I am your gal.

Update on Daisy's training. It's going good. Going great, actually. She's been doing really good. Night and day difference. As far as some other things that we wanted to nip in the butt or get taken care of. But she slowly but surely is getting used to other dogs. I think it's going to take a second. She's just a little scaredy cat, but that's okay.

Scaredy pup.

A little scaredy pup. That's what I got for you guys. We got bagels, we got murder mystery dinners, we got Train and Daisy. Honestly, I just can't stop thinking about all the bagels in New York that we're about to eat. I really hope it lives up to the hype. I'm going to be so depressed if we go and then the bagels just aren't good.

Yeah.

Because everyone talks about how good New York bagels are, East Coast bagels in general.

I'm going to have words.

Yeah. If it does not taste any different than the bagels that I have on the West Coast, I'm going to be pretty upset.

All right, our sources for this episode are The Evil Within by Darren Galsworthy, The Guardian BBC, ITV, The Sun, Cosmopolitan Magazine, theMIR, crimeandinvestigation. Co. Uk, Wired. Com, and Sky News. Okay. Sometimes telling the truth can be a difficult thing to do, particularly when you're a teenager and you feel like no one is going to believe you. Now, I'd like to think that when we have kids, they'll feel comfortable coming to us and telling us anything, especially if they feel like their lives are in danger. But what happens when the person they are afraid of is also living under your roof? When another person you love and trust is the monster your child is secretly afraid of? Would you believe your child enough to do something about it before it was too late? Today's case is taking us overseas to a little city in the southwest region of England called Bristol. Bristol was recently voted the UK's most livable city, several years in a row in fact. Today it's become a hotspot for startups and tech companies, like the UK's own little Silicon Valley. While over the last few decades the city has attracted a lot of wealth and power, there's also been a growing divide between the wealthy and the working class.

Becky Watts was born into one of these blue-collar Bristol families. Becky's father, Darren Galsworth, was 29, working as a sheet metal engineer when he first laid eyes on the 22-year-old Tanya Watts. After chatting it up over a few beers at a local pub, things moved quickly for the couple, which blossom into a relationship. They got an apartment and welcomed their first son, Danny, in February 1995. But the couple had their issues from the start. After Danny was born, they had a series of breakups and makeups that became toxic. Eventually, Tanya left Darren to care for Danny alone, but one October night in 1997, she came knocking on his apartment door. The two had a few drinks and got back together, at least just for the night. That evening, Tanya got pregnant with their second child, a little girl named Becky. But the arrival of a new baby wasn't enough to keep the couple together. After Becky was born, the couple split custody of Becky and the now two-year-old, Danny. Darren got the weekends while Tanya took the weekdays. Then one afternoon, while out with the children, Darren ran into an old crush of his, a woman that he'd always admired but had never dated, named Angie.

The two met up for some drinks shortly thereafter and sparks flew. Angie told Darren that she was on the rocks with her boyfriend, and a few weeks later, she called him to say she had ended it. From that moment on, Angie and Darren were inseparable. But Darren had no idea how this relationship would completely upend his life. And Angie was a single parent herself. Her son, Nathan, was older than Darren's kids, about 12 years old, while Danny was just four and Becky was two. But ever since Angie's divorce, Nathan had been living with his grandmother during the week. This way, he could continue going to the same school and have a bit of stability in his life. During the weekdays, Angie and Darren were on their own, free to water their growing romance. And even though they both had kids, they were just taking this time for themselves. Then on the weekends, the kids all came together to make one happy little blended family. Sort of. When Nathan, who's 12, met Danny, who's four, he was excited to have a little brother, introducing him to his PlayStation almost immediately. But when it came to Becky, the youngest, Nathan couldn't seem more disinterested in having this new little sister, which was probably a normal reaction for a pre-teen boy to have at first.

But the dynamics of their blended home began to change in 2001. That September, Darren and Angie opened their door to find a social worker standing on their front porch. He told them that Becky and Danny had been taken from their mother, Tanya, and placed into child protective care. They didn't say much other than that they didn't think the kids were being properly cared for when they went to Tanya's house.

I'm a little confused because it seems strange that CPS just randomly shows up and says, Hey, we took the kids away. There's no calls. Where's the other protocol? I feel like there's got to be something I'm.

Missing here. Well, CPS didn't take the kids away from them.

Yeah.

From Tanya. They took the kids away from Tanya, and they don't go into much detail because they're not married. They just say they weren't properly cared for.

Because he's the father, though, so I feel like there's got to be something that is said to him.

Definitely. I think there could be that in private they said something to him, but it wasn't published in sources. Does that make sense?

The reason why? Yeah, it just seems so abrupt. Right. You just go to the dad's house and you're like, Oh, we took the kids away. Yeah. Okay.

Well, either way, Darren's like, Okay, well, yeah, you can just bring them over here. I'll take my kids full-time. They don't need to stay with CPS. But apparently, that's easier said than done, at least in the UK's system. Because according to the social worker, they had to do a full review of the case until they could grant Darren, the dad, full custody, even though he wasn't the parent who got the kids taken away.

It's hard too because there has to be... It's a case, so there had to be other information and stuff that was going on that Darren probably didn't know about. Which again, I guess to me seems a little strange considering he's a father.

He does only have them on the weekends at this point, though. True. This meant in the meantime, the kids would have to live in foster care, but they could still come visit on the weekends like they are used to. This led to a long and challenging series of court hearings, but in March 2002, Darren and Angie finally received full custody of Becky and Danny. Now, the 15-year-old Nathan was less than enthused to hear that the now five-year-old Becky would be coming to live with them full-time. He just hates his little stepsister.

Hates her. So strange.

He told his mother he didn't want her there that she was, quote, too loud and annoying.

Which- I mean, I could see that because sometimes pain is annoying.

This is when Angie reassured her son. This is just a phase. Becky would grow out of her tantrums. I mean, she's five years old. But even Darren had to admit Becky wasn't the easiest child. She often threw screaming fits and had a hard time expressing her needs. By two years old, she still wasn't walking. And at five years old, she still hadn't said her first words. Okay. However, one night after Becky joined the family full-time, Darren took her to pick up Nathan from his grandma's house. While she sat in the back seat waiting for Nathan to come out, Becky uttered her first full word. Can you guess what it was?

Yeah, I'm scared.

Nathan. Oh, okay. So her step-brother's name. The family was, of course, over the moon to hear that Becky had finally started speaking. Nathan, on the other hand, couldn't care less that it was his name that was the first that she said. Darren and Angie just shook off Nathan's behavior. After all, he was just a teenage boy. Having a baby sister, fawning over him wasn't necessarily cool for his age. Plus, the more time they spent together, the closer this family got. Even though Angie and Darren had tied the knot, Becky saw Angie as her own mother. And since Nathan's father was completely absent from his life, Darren really stepped in to fit that role, strengthening their father-son bond and raising him as his own. But Nathan wasn't the easiest teenager to raise either. He didn't have very many friends in high school. His grades were and most of the time was spent building and using computers. So when Nathan turned 14, Darren pitched him an idea. Why not go to the army cadets boot camp for a week? It would teach him self-discipline, boost his confidence, and could help him make a few friends. Plus, they'd let him practice with some of the military grade guns.

That was all Nathan had to hear. After that week, Nathan came back with a renewed sense of purpose. He began picking up his grades and had more self-confidence. He became hardworking, more dedicated, and eventually got accepted to the city of Bristol College to become an electrician. But over time, Darren noticed a few red flags about his stepson, Nathan. When it came to girls, Nathan expressed a lot of jealousy and insecurities around them. After breaking up with his first girlfriend, Nathan kept insisting that she owed him money and would sit outside of her house to the point where the cops were eventually called on him.

We've fast forwarded a few years, correct?

Yes. We're now in, well, at this point, one time in 2006. The 19-year-old Nathan pulled up to Darren and Angie's house with a car full of girls. He's 19, except it wasn't just like a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds in his car. It was younger girls, no older than 12 or 13.

Oh, yeah. That's Nope.

Not okay. When Darren spotted them, he was like, Whoa, son.

Oh, my crap.

Nathan, take them home. This is not okay. Nathan just laughed off the situation and drove off with them in the car. What? Yes. After that, Darren and Angie didn't see him for several days. Not only did he drive off with the girls, he then disappeared for a couple of days. Meanwhile, Becky was dealing with her own set of problems. Becky proved to be incredibly shy around other kids and had difficulties making friends. She often complained that no one at school liked her and instead picked on her for small things like her looks or her weight. Over time, this manifested into bigger issues for Becky. She began eating less and less, telling her father that she wanted to lose weight, so kids no longer bullied her at school. She became obsessed with exercising and then prone to fainting spells because of how little she was eating. At the same time, Nathan complained to Angie and Darren that she was just doing it for attention. Still, Nathan doesn't like his little sister. And on occasion, he was even the one perpetuating Becky's insecurities, telling her she was overweight. But enough was enough. Darren and Angie told Becky she didn't have a choice.

They were taking her to a specialist. A doctor diagnosed Becky with anorexia and told her if she didn't follow the treatment plan and improve soon, they'd have to admit her to an inpatient facility. With the memories of foster care still fresh in her mind, Becky knew she didn't want to be away from her family again. She vowed to follow the program and attended counseling with Darren or Angie at least twice a week. And it was during one of these sessions that Becky said something critical. When asked whether she felt safe in her own home, she replied, quote, Yes, but only when my dad or Angie are there. I don't feel safe around Nathan. Now, Darren is confused by this statement because what he's seeing is just some typical sibling rivalry. Sure, Nathan can be a jerk to Becky, but as far as he can tell, he would never do anything to physically hurt her. He shrugs this off because, honestly, they have bigger issues to deal with, Becky's unwavering eating disorder. A few weeks in, Becky still wasn't improving. When final threats were made to take her to the Impatient Center, Becky finally turned her behaviors around.

She slowly started putting the pounds back on and within eight months was back to a healthy weight. And she even celebrated with cake for her 13th birthday. And that's when things really started to turn around for Becky. She changed schools, started making new friends. She even got her first boyfriend, a blonde, blue-eyed gentleman that even Darren had a hard time disapproving of, and his name was Luke. But Becky wasn't the only one who'd found a new love interest in this family. In 2008, the 21-year-old Nathan also brought home a new partner. Her name was Shauna Hoare. Problem was she was only 14 years old.

No way, man.

Twenty-one. Holy crap. That is never okay.

Obviously, dad, Darren, immediately disapproves of the situation. But at the end of the day, Nathan wasn't his son. All he could do was tell Nathan he wasn't bringing any underage girlfriends into his house.

I mean, it's illegal. Yeah. What's going on is no.

Well, Nathan seemed to respect this because while he continued seeing Shauna for the next year, whatever. He didn't bring her over again until 2010, along with her birthday certificate that showed she had just turned 16, which is the age of consent in the UK. He waits until the day- Oh, my God. -that it's legal and then brings her over. But, Darren and Angie eventually grew a soft spot for Shauna. She had a rough upbringing herself. Like Becky, she'd been taken into foster care away from her mother at a young age. When she turned 13, she'd finally moved back in with her mother, which was where she was still living at the time. Okay, so.

She's 16 and he's 22, 23 then? Twenty-two, yeah. Okay.

As the family spent more time with her, they found her to be polite and respectful, perhaps even a good fit for Nathan, despite the age gap. But when it came to the 13-year-old Becky, just like Nathan, Shauna had a bit of an attitude towards her. Becky did what she could to try and befriend Shauna, offering her clothes and other things to win her over. But Shauna seemed indifferent and seemingly at the gifts she was receiving from Becky. While things seemed to be going well between Shauna and Nathan, there were other challenges in his life that were holding him back. A few years prior, Nathan had been diagnosed with something called fibromyalgia, a chronic illness with no known cause that creates a lot of muscle pain, fatigue, and insomnia. Ever since dating Shauna, though, Nathan used his fibromyalgia as the reason for why he couldn't find a suitable job. She's like, 16-year-old girly, I know I'm 22, but I have this disease that makes it so I can't actually get a job. He'd also stopped shaving and showering as much, and he turned to Darren whenever he needed money.

Oh, man. If I was Darren, I'd say, Nope, you're not getting anything.

Maybe take a shower.

Maybe go take a shower. Maybe we'll get a job, take a shower. Shave. I still don't think you should be dating a 16-year-old.

Yeah. So then in 2011, the family was faced with another heartbreaking health issue. Angie, the mom, woke up one morning and told Darren she couldn't see a thing. They rushed her to the hospital where doctors performed a series of tests, but they couldn't figure out what Angie was suffering from. They sent her home, and over the course of the next few days, her vision returned slowly, but it took another few months for it to return to normal. Nine months later, doctors still couldn't figure out the reason why, until Darren finally took to a specialist who diagnosed her with multiple sclerosis. As if Darren didn't have enough on his plate already, life just kept piling on for this family. Now he'd be providing for three children and a chronically ill wife. Yeah, thankfully, a short time after, the family did receive a bit of hopeful news. Shauna and Nathan were going to have a baby together.

Which, yes, hopeful news, but also- A little scary. -things are going to get... Yeah, it's hard.

Now, Grandma, Angie, and Darren were thrilled to become grandparents, and Becky was just as excited to become an aunt. However, it seemed like Nathan's attitude towards Becky had only gotten worse with age. When she expressed that excitement, Nathan told her, You aren't going anywhere near our baby.

What is going on?

Well, of course, statements like this weren't out of the ordinary for Nathan to make towards Becky. He was reprimanded and everyone just seemed to move on from it.

Why does he hate her so much?

But once the child came, Darren was thrilled to see what a good father Nathan was. He seemed dedicated, always willing to help out with diapers, feeding, play time. It gave Angie and Darren some hope that maybe Nathan's attitude towards others would change, that it would soften him and maybe even help him rebuild his relationship with his step-sister, Becky. Now that their family was growing, Angie and Darren decided to take an official step in their own marriage. They finally got married in August of 2013. Nathan was Darren's best man. Shauna and Becky were Angie's bridesmaids, but the newlywed bliss didn't last forever. After their wedding, Angie's condition deteriorated further. She was relegated to a wheelchair and needed the help of a caretaker while Darren was at work. They actually hired Shauna in 2014 to spend the days with Angie since it was difficult for her to find a job and childcare as a new mom, so basically with her mother-in-law. Yeah, sure. While life was certainly challenging for the family, they were finding ways to get along and get by. However, things took a turn for the worst in 2015. On the night of February 18th, Becky went over to a friend's house to spend the night.

The following morning, around 8:30 AM after Darren had gone to work, Becky knocked on her parents' front door. The keys she had didn't seem to be working in the lock, and she apologized to Angie for having to get up and come let her in so early. Angie said Becky then went to her room and stayed there until Angie left for her doctor's appointment at 11:00 AM that morning. When she came home around 12:45 PM, Shauna and Nathan were in the living room watching television, but Becky was no longer there. And she just assumed Becky had gone back out to a friend's house. And Shauna said while they didn't see her, they did hear the door open and shut just before Angie came home, so they too had assumed that Becky had left. All right. A few hours later, Becky's boyfriend, Luke, showed up at the house. He said he was worried. He had texted Becky a few times but hadn't gotten a response and that they had plans that day. It wasn't like her to just ghost him. Angie told him he could go check her room. Maybe she'd slip back in without being noticed.

Luke does. But when he comes out, he says, Guys, Becky is not there. What the freak.

Then that night, Shauna and Nathan stayed at the house until about 7:00 PM, then they went home to have dinner. Meanwhile, Darren and Angie just assumed Becky was out with friends. Darren called it in early night since he had to be up for work the next morning. But by the following day, February 20th, there was still no sign of Becky. Around 2:30 PM the next day, this would be February 20th, Angie called Darren at work to say all of Becky's friends were at the house and they were worried about not having heard from her. When he tried calling Becky's phone, it was off. Back at the house, Darren and Becky's friends searched her room for clues and there were a few things that stood out.

I think it's time to call the police.

Becky's laptop and her phone were missing, but her purse and makeup were still there. Becky usually didn't go a day without applying her makeup, so to them, there was no way she ran away or left on purpose, leaving it behind. Around 4:00 PM, Darren and Angela finally called the police, who promised to send someone over as soon as they could. Meanwhile, Darren asked Nathan for his help creating a Facebook post about his missing step-sister. For the next hour or so, they sat there together, going through pictures of Becky trying to choose the perfect ones. It wasn't until the following day that police finally arrived at Darren's home. They went around with a team collecting DNA samples from the home and looking for anything that immediately stood out to them.

This is going not where I thought it was going.

Where did you think?

I'm getting confused because I thought Nathan and Shauna or Nathan was the issue the whole time and I thought something was going to happen with him and Becky. But Becky's gone, not at the house. I don't think Nathan and Shauna did anything. I don't think they dumped her anywhere. I thought she was going to be dead in the room or something. But she's missing. But she's missing so I'm a little more confused.

That week, police also dispatched a search team combing the wooded areas of a nearby nature reserve, other neighbors' yards, even wading through the ponds at a local park. They questioned nearly everyone in a five-mile radius of the home, but no one reported seeing Becky. She hadn't been spotted on any CCTV footage either. On February 27th, Angie and Darren were called down to the police station to answer a few questions, primarily related to their family dynamic, police are like, Hey, we've got to learn about this family. We've got to learn about Becky. Where could she possibly have gone? Most of the questions geared toward the relationship between Becky, Nathan, and Shauna. Parents start noticing that a lot of the questions surround the three kids or the daughter-in-law, the son, and the daughter. But Darren and Angie assured the police. While they bickered from time to time, they didn't really have that good of a relationship. There was no way that Nathan and Shauna would ever do anything to hurt Becky, which is why Darren and Angie kept making police to the public, asking for anyone with information about their daughter to please come forward.

That would be hard because I think it would be hard to think that it could be another kid.

Well, and it's also like- Your sibling. -what's the motive here? I mean, Shauna, this random girl who married into the family, also hates her?

Yeah, something's not aligned.

What police hadn't told Darren and Angie was they already had a good reason to suspect that at least Nathan was involved in Becky's disappearance.

Wait, Darren and Angie thought this?

No, police hadn't told Darren and Angie, but they thought this. It was because of one small fingerprint that he left on a tiny, almost noticeable splotch of blood on Becky's bedroom door frame.

Holy crap. All right, here we go.

If you remember, their mom left to a doctor's appointment. Yep, and came home and Shauna and Nathan were home and Becky was then missing. Technically, they would have been the last to see her, except they said they didn't see her. They only heard her leave, remember?

It seems like a short period of time to do what- They're accusinging. I think they did. Exactly. Yeah.

On February 28th, officers arrested the 28-year-old Nathan and 21-year-old Shauna and began their interrogation. Imagine this. They get arrested for his step-sisters' disappearance. Yeah. What did the parents do at this point?

I think at this point, which this is probably not what they did, but I think at this point you go, Oh, we need to figure this out. We need to talk to police. We need to tell them everything about Nathan. Obviously, I'm sure they didn't do that. I'm sure they instantly get defensive.

Police tell Nathan if he confessed and pointed them in the direction of Becky's body, they might be able to offer him some deal. Obviously, police at this.

Point think Becky is dead. They know what's going on.

It didn't take much convincing for Nathan, which we love good police work. We love good police work. He confessed almost immediately to killing his stepsister, Becky, and told the officers exactly where they could find.

Her body. What in the freak?

Becky was in a garden shed at his friend, Carl Demetrius's house.

Does Carl know?

On March second, police... What? Does Carl know?

I hope Carl doesn't know because otherwise, he's involved, too.

On March second, police finally had their search warrant and were headed to the neighborhood of Barton Hill to confirm whether Nathan was telling the truth. When police opened the shed, they spotted it right away. A blue plastic bag buried under a pile of suitcases. They opened each piece of luggage one by one. Inside were plastic bags wrapped in clean film. Every package contained a different part of Becky's body.

Holy, I am so mind-blown that they were able to do all this. She had to have been at an eight-hour doctor's appointment. It's just a lot. How is this possible? That's insane. That's horrible.

It's one thing to kill your stepsister. It's another to chop up and.

Dismember her body. Yes. No, that's absolutely wild.

Despite the conditions that Becky was found in, a pathologist was able to conclude a few other details about the way she had died. Apparently, she had been suffocated to death, but not before sustaining more than 40 injuries as she clearly fought for her life. Gosh. By March fourth, Nathan was charged with murder while Shauna, who seemingly admitted to knowing about the crime but having nothing to do with it, was charged with preventing the course of justice. Of course, Darren and Angie were in shock. How could the child they raised be capable of something so twisted, so sadistic? How did they overlook many of the signs?

Oh, man. All I know is as soon as he was hanging out with 12 and 13 year olds, right there I knew something was wrong.

Well, the truth was there was a lot Nathan Matthews was hiding from his parents. In the months leading up to Becky's death, Nathan's mental health seemed to be on a sharp decline. Aside from his poor hygiene, he'd been collecting trash and broken electronics, hoarding them in the new apartment he shared with Shauna and their baby, and said he planned to fix them all up and sell them. Only none of that ever came to fruition. This wasn't even the worst of it. It seemed Nathan's obsession with underage girls was continuing. He'd even roped Shauna into participating in his twisted fantasys. Just two months before Becky's death, Nathan texted Shauna, telling her to bring back two pretty schoolgirls after her errands. Shauna later responded to Nathan saying, quote, Just went into cost cutter and saw a pretty petique girl. Almost knocked her out to bring her home for you. What is.

Going on right now?

Between these text messages... Well, I do just want to preface here. She was 13 when they met, so there's probably some and going on.

We're going zero to 100 real quick.

Between these text messages and the pornography found on Nathan's computer, police wondered if the attack against his 16-year-old sister might have been due to his dark sexual fantasies. Yeah. Nathan, however, denied that sexual attraction had anything to do with her death. In fact, he claimed he only wanted to kidnap Becky to teach her a lesson because he thought she was selfish and he didn't like the way she treated his mother. Only things didn't go according to plan. Here's how Nathan claimed the entire day went down.

Which I instantly don't believe. This is all bull crap. I mean, it's hard. I feel like when the person who committed the crime confesses, there's always stuff left out. There's always little white lies because they want to make themselves look as good as possible in whatever they did.

You're getting pretty good at this.

I know. It's almost like I've been on a true crime podcast for the last three years.

So, Nathan said that on the morning of February 19th, he arrived at Darren and Angie's house, ready to execute his kidnapping scheme. He had already planned the whole thing. He even brought with him what he called his kidnapping kit, a bag consisting of a stun gun, handcuffs, duct tape, trash bags, and a mask. He and Shauna went inside, spending a bit of their time in there. Then when Shauna went to have a cigarette, he went out to the car to retrieve the bag. He went up to Becky's room, knocked on her door, and asked if he could speak with her for a moment. When Becky opened up, he claimed he was wearing a mask, which is strange considering she certainly would have known the voice of her step-brother that she was raised with. But either way, he said he then used the items in the bag to try and subdue Becky. He placed the tape over her mouth and allegedly told her that as long as she did what he said, she would be fine. He even used the stun gun on his stepsister. But it really didn't seem to work because Becky did everything in her power to fight him, which was likely how she acquired all that bruising that they'd discovered during her autopsy and how her blood got on the door frame.

But in doing so, she also pulled Nathan's mask down, which said, made him panic. He placed the trash bag over her head and began strangling her until she stopped breathing altogether. Nathan then put Becky in a suitcase, grabbed her phone, laptop, and a few other items in her room, and placed all of it in the trunk of his car. Nathan wasn't sure what the next steps would be. But for the time being, he went back into the house, greeted his mother when she came home from her appointment, said hello to Darren when he came home from work. The whole time, Becky was lying dead in the trunk of his car right outside of their home.

I don't believe that he didn't know the next steps because of how they found the body completely broken up into pieces. I feel like this had to have been planned. There's more to this for sure.

That evening, Nathan and Shauna even went home, ordered takeout, and played a game of Monopoly. Oh, my God. There wasn't a dead body in their trunk, and not just a dead body, but his step-sisters' dead body. Yeah, his sister. The following day, Nathan was caught on CCTV cameras, buying bottles of drain cleaner, a circular power saw, gloves, face masks, and goggles. When he got home, he used that saw to try and get rid of Becky's remains, which were being stored in the couple's bathtub. A few days later, Nathan called his friend, Carl Demetrius, and asked if he could keep a few things in his shed. In return, he'd pay him 10,000 pounds. On the afternoon of February 24th, Carl and their friend, James Ireland, helped Nathan move those garbage bags and suitcases into the garden shed.

Do you think Carl knew what it was? No. Okay.

Good job, Carl. When Nathan told them not to look inside, they supposedly didn't ask any questions. They just accepted the money and kept their mouth shut, as told. Now, while Nathan was giving his account, he remained steadfast in the fact that Shauna had absolutely no idea what was going on downstairs this entire time. No, I don't believe it. She played no role in the murder. But there were several pieces of evidence that suggested this was definitely not the case. For starters, when they got home that evening, Shauna watched something on her computer that was a dead giveaway. A video titled, Do you want to hide a body? It was a parody set to the tune of Frozen's Do you want to build a snowman?

It's so many people after they kill someone, they look up stuff like, How to get away with murder? What to do with a dead body? It's even more weird that there's blogs and articles online about it.

Yeah.

That's insane.

Plus, Shauna's DNA and makeup was found on one of the face masks in Carl's shed, which suggested she likely helped Nathan cut up and dispose of Becky's body. This evidence was enough to charge Shauna with a few more crimes like murder, conspiracy to kidnap, and preventing a lawful burial on top of the perverting the course of justice charge that she was already facing. But Shauna maintained her innocence, pleading not guilty on all charges. Nathan pleaded not guilty to murder and conspiracy to kidnap, but guilty to hiding and cutting up Becky's remains. Karl and his living girlfriend, Jaydine, as well as James Ireland, all pleaded guilty to assisting an offender. However, they claimed they still had no idea what was in the suitcases. James was eventually acquitted, but Karl and Jaydine served jail time.

Oh, wow. Even though they didn't know?

They claimed they didn't know. I don't think they did. I don't know. I think they just kept their mouth shut and said, Yeah, sure, sure, or whatever. They probably knew it was something. I don't know if they knew it was a body. Okay. Nathan's trial was a bit more complicated, however, and it was revealed that there may have been more threats made against Becky than Darren or Angie were even aware of. Apparently, two years before her death, Becky told a friend that Nathan had provided intimate details about how he was going to kill her one day. These conversations happened on multiple occasions leading up to her death. Becky's friend claimed that Becky was very obviously afraid of Nathan, but for some reason never felt comfortable saying anything to Darren or Angie. However, she did apparently say something to a social worker. Becky reported that she had serious conflicts with her older step-brother, and she felt scared about being in the home with him. Problem was, Becky's concerns were never taken seriously, mainly because of the history with her eating disorder and other issues she brought up to the attention of social workers. Since Nathan and Shauna had no violent criminal records, nobody ever considered they would actually be a threat to a 16-year-old girl until it was far too late.

After a five-week-long trial, Nathan was found guilty on all charges and sentenced to life in prison with a minimum of 33 years. Shauna Hoare, however, argued that she had been manipulated by Nathan and that he used both emotional and physical abuse to course her into the crime. She was acquitted of murder, but instead was found guilty of manslaughter, conspiracy to kidnap, and preventing a lawful barrier.

As a.

Result, Shauna only received 17 years behind bars.

Still a decent amount of time.

That year, Darren and Angie didn't just lose one of their kids. They essentially lost three. Aside from Becky, they lost the son they thought they'd raise to be a good man and a daughter-in-law, the mother of their grandchild. In a statement made to the press after the trials, Becky's family said this, We urge everyone who has teenagers to listen to your kids. Don't ignore or dismiss what they are trying to say. If they are feeling worried about something, take your time to listen to them. Above all, cherish them as time with them is precious and can be short. That is the story of Becky Watts.

What a psycho. Why kill her? It seems like I can't think of a reason at all. Like, one that makes sense, if that.

Makes sense. Obviously, this is all speculation and alleged. My guess is that growing up, Nathan began picking on Becky, and it was a way for him to use his power. As we know, he definitely likes- Younger girls. -younger girls. He probably likes the power it gives him, the manipulation it gives him.

He's a pedophile.

For him being able to exert this power over a little girl, it just turned into more sinister, more sinister. She obviously told people that she was uncomfortable, did not like being around him, did not feel safe around him. As a parent, they're now saying, Listen to your kids, but also listen to Nathan, who is clearly suffering mentally. They even said his mental health was on a decline. It's like, Listen to your kids in all ways.

Yeah. No, it doesn't.

Excuse it, though. Not at all. But I'm just saying maybe he, too, could have used some help, obviously.

Yeah. Either way, he's insane.

Yeah.

He killed his sister and then Shauna was involved. What a mess. It's so sad.

It's also just crazy to me, like sadistic.

Oh, that's what I'm saying. He didn't just kill her. The way they chopped her body up is like that's next level. It's a level that-.

In.

Their bathtub. That's why I don't feel bad that Shauna went to jail, even though she probably was manipulated a little bit. They chopped the body up. I don't care who you are. There's just no excuses.

In my mind. My thoughts are like, do you shower after?

I'm not thinking about that.

I just don't understand... I still don't understand how people can do these things. How do you lay your step-sister's body in your shower and then shower in thereafter? It's just weird.

Yeah.

All right, you guys, that is our case for this week. We will see you next time with another episode. A reminder that there is a bonus episode this week on Instagram and Apple subscriptions. All right, I love it. I hate it. Goodbye.