This is exactly right. Hello and welcome, welcome to my favorite murder, the Quarantine's episode, the so far away and yet so close episode. Yeah, we're doing it. We're on Skype. I'm looking at Karen and her in your second bedroom.

That's right. We're pointing at each other over Skype. Stephen is watching us silently from a distance. Steven was helping me set this up earlier. And I was I tried to set it up on my phone. It's so hard. It's so hard. Props to Steven for years running. Just did the uncomplaining sound guy that's actually holding so much shit out that there are only now beginning to understand.

Steven, we love you deeply. Thank you. Thank you for keeping us always between 18 and 12. We appreciate it. And but the Skype, for some reason, the way I was doing it was taking pictures of my face at random times.

And I'm not you know, I'm not camera ready right now in any way. Rude. It was it's just rude.

I my face is sliding off my skull and Skype wants me to know it. So anyway, are you doing in this in this fucking global pandemic age of enlightenment?

I guess I'm focusing on superficial things to distract myself like.

So I've definitely been putting a lot of under eye cream on lots of phone calls, lots of joking around. But I did have to on my sister's behalf today, text my dad and say, hey, dad, for real, stop going to Costco like, oh, does he just keep going?

He just keeps telling my sister, like, that's what he's going to do. Like, he just keeps telling my sister of errands he's going to run and she's going insane.

And it's and I finally had because she's of course, he always hears from her. So he doesn't pay attention to what she says. But yeah, I can relate to. But I finally just texted him and was like, listen, you're driving, you're crazy and you're scaring both of us. You don't need frozen chicken cutlets.

Go home. Stop it. What are you doing?

And then he didn't. What was funny is then the dots came up and then they went away and he didn't say anything like.

So I'm going to tell her what you know, what I should save this for. Yeah. After my first. But yeah, I might call him tonight just to go.

Hey, you mad at me? Because that's what he does when I'm mad at him is like you're not in my family, are not allowed to be mad at each other because they'll just give you shit until you talk to them again. So I might just do it back to him.

But it's the kind of thing we're like, look, this is we're in uncharted territory. There's no leadership. We all have to kind of do what doctors say. And we have to do with the people on the front line, say.

And there is yeah, we take it seriously. Yeah. There's no reason not to be doing exactly what they say. There's who is saying this. I'm sorry because I'm taking in so much content about this stuff. But somebody was saying you're you're being asked to stay in your own house where there's food and everything you like. You're not being asked to move to some government facility. You're not being asked very much. So fucking do fight a war or anything.

No, this is not a sacrifice. You're being asked to stay inside where you usually are. Just fucking I know the best thing you can do for this. That's like the number one top priority is to stay. You know, who you know who is a fucking who, not surprisingly, is being a leader at this time. Cardi Behati Harkabi.

Oh you shit already fucking be alive.

Instagram's. Yeah. The where I love her.

She's a survivor. Well also I retweeted a thing. There's an amazing guy who's an amazing piano player. There's a guy that plays the piano a lot. So when Khateeb does her speech about coronaviruses.

Korona and it's all like she's singing, she's kind of preaching. But there's a guy that yeah, I sent it to you.

He plays the piano along with her perfectly, as if it's it's she is singing it. She's performing the libretto in an operetta. It is the most amazing thing. And then when it ends her, the video of her disappears and he turns to camera and then it just says, wash your hands. It's the most genius idea.

Oh, you know, another thing, too, if there's people who don't believe you, you got to send them. Matthew McConaughey is video from Instagram of him fucking just completely talking you through what you need to do. Matthew McConaughey style.

Oh, it's just it's golden. It's you know, there are people that I think the the thing I keep trying to remind myself is this this is such a scary situation that some people, when they get scared, their reaction needs to be, fuck you, you can't tell me what to do. It's the it's like because you're you're basically painting both their arms and saying you have to stay in and you can't know what's going to happen next. And you can't there's nothing you can do.

So you can't just do what you want. And and that triggers people and pushes their buttons and shit and makes them cray cray. And there's yeah. There's a lot of people. You can't deal, and so as infuriating as it is when we see people going to like, you know, last week going to the beach in Florida or whatever.

Well, there's already there's like a there's a handful of spring breakers who have who have it. Like it's it's this there's nothing not real about this. It's happening all around us. There's a child died in Los Angeles today. The youngest coronavirus victim so far in America died in Los Angeles. So it's like I don't know what more. Yeah.

If you're one of those kind of people that needs to say it's a hoax because you're so scared, you're freaking out, you know, then you need to look at it from the comfort to do it from the comfort of your own home.

Yeah, for real. You sometimes guard because what you're doing is just giving it to everybody else, whether you believe in it or not, going to die from it. The virus believes in itself. It doesn't need you to believe in it.

It's those fucking 22 year olds that are like, I I'm not sick and if I'm sick, I'll get over it. It's like not about you. Twenty two year old. Right.

And it's but it's also the the the 55 year olds that that have this very strange kind of like I decide what reality is thing that is also a fantasy. I mean, there's lots of us that live in fantasy. Hey, look, listen, we we all have to adjust. People are going to do it at different times. Speaking of adjusting, can I tell you what I've been watching? Sure. What Vince and I have been binge watching to keep ourselves occupied for your adjustment.

We started. Yeah, we started. True Detective Season one again.

Nice. I highly recommend just thinking of that. I forgot everything apparently that had happened. Apparently it was very high for the first time. I watch it. I don't remember any of it. It's so good. And then I'm watching Detroiters, which is a really fun team. Rollinson, they're incredible.

And Sam, it's Sam Richardson, very similar. Sam Richardson, the funniest. I love that show scene. So good. Have you seen Tiger King. Oh, Tiger King we have to talk about. Yeah. So we started watching it. We were a little like, oh, this guy kind of sucks and stopped and now people can't talk, stop talking about it. So I think we need to go back to it. I did the same thing.

Only the reason I turned it was probably four days ago and people keep on tweeting me about it. It's like you have to I must know. And I turned it on and it was just like it wasn't a good time. We're after the third person spoke to camera. I was like, I can't I cannot spend time with these people. Like, I can't do this right now. Yeah, that's that's exactly what it was. I like I want to hear the story, but these people are really bumming me out about how horrible they are to tigers.

It's just like, how am I supposed to hang out all of it. Yeah, exactly. I need things that are a little less impactful at the moment. Yeah. So what have I been watching?

It's I of course I'm just going deep into like ACORN TV and Brit Box or whatever, where it's like some truly like a British procedural from the nineties that I can barely understand what anyone saying. That's the only thing that's really giving me any kind of peace of mind right now.

Comforting. But, you know, here's what I think is a beautiful maybe not a coincidence. Bernie Browns podcast finally came out unlocking Helyar and I haven't listened to it yet because I'm in the middle of a book on tape. But I'm so excited because I feel like her voice, her everything about the trailer for that podcast, like she's such a presence. Yeah, calming scientific yet self-help kind of mind is like I would probably not be wrong to highly recommend a podcast.

I've never listened to it before just because it's our friend Bernie Brown.

Are you doing phone therapy sessions?

I just did one this morning. Oh, I did. For the first time.

It was fine. I mean, I should know it's first of all, I had to talk about being a workaholic, which really bothered me because I was like I didn't really have anything else to talk about because I've just been in my house and I was like, here, can I. Yeah. And I say this my my therapist said, I've been having phone calls with said to me when I was like, I don't know what to talk about.

The first day she was like, you know, in these times when there's like a singular focus instead of the day to day life to talk about, that's when you can actually get really deep into some shit because you're not being distracted by like, I'm mad at this person and I have to do this work and I'm stressed. It's like you can now go deeper. Yes. That's basically what happened where I was kind of like, yeah, I mean, I guess it's OK.

And, you know, I like chaos and all this shit that I normally say or whatever, and then it like kind of tumbled out of my mouth or I was just like, yeah, it's a problem because if I'm a workaholic, then I can't really at this, I, I can't do anything, nor can anyone else.

That has that uses work to distract themselves from the difficulty and big feelings of life and I was just like, sorry, I'm going to have to hold on that one for a second and really didn't get back to me.

It is like the whole thing were like, you use work as a way, as a barometer to how good you are, what a good person you are because you get work done and because you're so busy. And like the busier you are, the more important you are. And that's the only way you can tell if you're important or not. Yeah. That shit I'm I'm not a workaholic.

I don't know how you and I prepare it up.

We we are you know, where we paired up at the opposite party and that's how we do it. And that's where the magic happens to back it right back to back. We got back to back. You know, it's funny, though. It's like I almost said to my therapist, it's like that thing where I'm like, I don't know, like I it was great to talk to her and I'm going to do it again tomorrow. But there's this part of me that's it's almost like I get the feeling of like don't go in there because I think we are all.

So it's almost like we're waiting to find out what we're scared about or something, you know what I mean? We're waiting for the first big wave to hit or something like that. And I think the important thing in it in a time like this, because she said this to me, she said it before, but she reminded me this morning it feels like we're in a free fall. But the key the key is remembering that there's no bottom to hit.

We're never going to hit ground. So, yes, we're free falling. And the whole trick of life is to become comfortable with the free fall understanding. It's always like that. You're never even when we have these kind of pretend things of like, well, if I get my work done here, then I'm good here and blah, blah, blah, like, that's all fake, too. It's all fake.

So well, it's almost like I can understand them not wanting to like have an open wound when you're about to go through some fucking other traumatic shit that has nothing to do with that wound. Cause it's like that. Like I don't want to get. Yeah. Deep into my childhood and fucking sad and depressed over it when I can't then go have a drink with my girlfriend and fucking talk to her about it. Right. Right. But I can still call her on the phone so.

Yeah that's good.

Well so long conversation. The other day we had a great, we had a great you know it's funny, when we got off that call I was like we were laughing so fucking hard during that, calling him like we never do that to each other because that's what we do for a living.

We never do save it for the buck. We always it for the podcast. Then you text me, hey, you want to chat? And I was like, I was scraping my mind, like, what could she want to talk about?

And then, like, I think she just wants to talk because all we've been having is like stressful conversations about our entire fucking business. Yes. And it's really fucking stressful, I'm sure. Just like before we have to record this podcast, let's have a nice conversation. Like, Oh, I just want my friends. Oh, so sorry. It's another house on fire. I don't know. I think they just want to check stuff. I just pointed out a fire truck like a child isn't one by the front line fire truck.

Oh, sorry. Right.

As you were trying to say something nice about us being friends, just why we're friends. No, that's it. There you go. No, it was great, though. And it also was just funny because as opposite as we are, we there's almost some things I don't have to talk to you about because I know we feel the exact same way about that. Those are I think it's good for us to remind each other of how alike we are because we always just are noticing the differences because we have to do something about it.

But the way we are alike are very comforting to me.

Oh, that's so nice. It is like we're sisters at this point. It's true. You know what I was thinking about that, like when this was all going down and who am I going to call and this and that. It's like, you know, who the best friends like the best friends in your life are. The one who you have in your phone, their sister's phone number or their mom's like a just in case you can get a hold of their a relative of theirs.

Yeah. Those are like the best friends you have. I think I could text your sister immediately or your dad and be like in your room. Oh, he would love it if you texted him.

I love the work call tech adult for adult friendships where you have a connection like that relates to really quickly because everyone is exactly right. Is doing cool shit right now. Yes, they are in the panic. This network is feeling this network. Well, people are using it and actually podcasting. Cool stuff. I'm so proud. So Murder Squad Billy and Paul are discussing the domestic abuse resources to support people who are in quarantine with their abusers right now, which is so fucking incredible.

Yeah, that's amazing. That episode dropped yesterday. I'm sorry. That episode Monday, the twenty third. So that's up now. So yeah, go listen to that.

And then they also cover how first responders might respond to a call when someone is in imminent danger despite the fact there's a fucking pandemic going on because people are still going through some shit. Yeah. Whether or not this is happening. So they. Cover that, and I just it's important. Yeah, those are yeah, they're thinking about elements of this that are not that are really important and I think not that often discussed. And I think, yeah, it's very cool that those guys did.

That hit me really hard when I saw some meme that was like, you know, there's so many people and children who escape, who use their day to day jobs and school to, you know, to get away from their abusers that don't have that resource now. And so here's some phone numbers. And it I felt so privileged and like, what's the word lucky? But also, like, I hadn't even considered that that was an issue for people.

I'm so lucky that I don't have to almost like real people who are blissfully ignorant of stuff. Ignorant, very ignorant yet. So I'm glad they're covering it. It's kind of good to because then it just it gives it kind of needed perspective if you're really freaking out like how bad things are for you. Yeah. When you hear about stuff like that or think about it or just look into what other people might need, I think it also helps that.

It helps.

Yeah. Call everyone you don't know who what people are going through right now. Yeah. This podcast will kill you. These amazing women released a six part bonus series with updates on covid-19. They did a special six part fucking episode about this. They interview experts and cover topics from the origin of the virus to ways of maintaining your mental health during a self quarantine. So that's coming out starting Monday, March. Twenty third. Yeah, and I think they said all six Monday, all six episodes are available.

So yeah, I believe they're they release them all at once. I don't know Stephen, if you know if I'm right about that, but I believe that's the case because there's basically so you can basically binge all of them and get all your info at one time. That's correct.

Yeah. It's all so you can get your binge on and listen to all six.

Steven, please don't say get your binge on. It's a pandemic.

There's no need there's no need to go to such a dark one of those some of those points we gave him on the whiteboard, everything really, just because you keep us between 18 and 12 all our lives doesn't mean you can say get your binge on. It's crazy. Speaking of which, the per cast, Sarah and Steven this week, which dropped yesterday, they, of course, are recording from home talking about the pandemic, the quarantines affecting them and their cats and their relationships.

It's a very special, a very special the per cast this week, Stephen.

Yes. The following is still doing is now doing part two of Carolina girls. It concludes the story on the North Carolina Brittany Locklear, who was kidnapped and murdered in nineteen ninety eight. And it discusses the disappearance of another girl whose case at one point tied to Henry Lee Lucas. Yeah, Kamiar. So that's coming out on Wednesday, yesterday. So listen to that.

Yeah, the following is such an amazing show. Those guys just they're just they're the real deal. It's I'm so impressed by that. And I'm also impressed by do you need a ride?

These two young upstarts in comedy show me and Chris Crisis, Fresh Face. We're fresh faces for Aspen. We got the Aspen Fresh Faces Showcase. That's a comedy festival that hasn't existed in twenty two years.

We need this timely, timely, right, right. At the right, the height of the true worry and fear weekend of the new pandemic. I made Stephen get into the car with me and Chris and we drove around for I think three hours and just record and believe you guys did that to back to back on Q&A episodes. And the funny thing was, so, you know, everyone knows it's of course, you can't drive in Los Angeles ever.

It's it's so awful. The traffic is terrible. If you listen to. Do you need a ride? I complain about it constantly as if it's interesting.

We are we are sailing around the street.

There's no one out. We'd go anywhere we want. It's also very strange and there's not very many people out. And then we find this just, you know, spoiler alert. We find a drive through Starbucks that's open, which I think is terrible. Yeah. Yeah, that I love it.

I want to like that. And it was pouring rain to that area.

It was pouring rain. It's going to be great. Everyone was scared. It was. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. And and also this round of Q&A questions in the beginning, it was like, would you rather be one huge hot dog or three small hot dogs or whatever where you're like, OK, I don't know the answer.

Wow, that's an amazing question. I just made that up. But I love it.

But I mean, that's just a fun party version. But this time people got kind of into they they got they they asked some very interesting questions. Sorry.

That's all I'm trying to say is essential existential driving. Yeah. And then, of course, the Exactly.

Right's newest. I said, no gifts with Bridger, Winoker is out now, we're so fucking excited about it. And the third episode comes out this week, today, Thursday, March 26. Yes, with the guest this week is Andy Richter, which is incredible with such a good podcast. If you guys have been following along. Thank you so much. Make sure you subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. It really helps the podcast out when you do that and when you comment and give them five years.

Yeah. And review. It's really helps on the charts, which is awesome. Yeah. And it really is such a delightful I think these days.

I know personally I'm definitely turning to podcast more and more, just puttering around the house as I'm getting really into cleaning, which is surprising to me.

But it just really like listening to other people talk is so, such a nice kind of pseudo socializing. I think it does all the same things to your brain that regular socializing does. So if you want to come good, hilarious chat show hosted by very intelligent and very like fun to listen to people.

Verdure Weinberger's I said No Gift's is the podcast for you and it's positive. So if you're feeling down and you just need to like, tune the fuck out. Yeah, something positive. This is a really great way. It was all it was all recorded before this happened to. So you're not even going to.

Yeah, he was he was recording this months ago, but it's about guess who doesn't want to think about presents and why you give gifts and what you get and what the worst and best have been. It's come on. I love what you did for your housewarming party where you just don't say gifts are unnecessary. You just don't even mention them on the invite and then people bring them. I did. Brilliant.

I, I swear to you. And you didn't do that. Oh, you told me you did. On purpose. You didn't. I did. No, no, no, no I did not. I was joking to you because you were like you didn't you didn't put no gifts. And then I was like, of course I didn't. But I actually I not about did I not tell you. I think about it. I didn't think about it.

Well, you seem to be like delighted by it. So it didn't seem like an insult.

But I didn't think about it. And I wouldn't I don't think I would want to be like, no, if you just bought your own house, get your own goddamn gift, like, go to hell or do your own fucking candle. You shouldn't have bought a fucking house. Yeah, you should be saving for candle money.

Don't invest in real estate. Not now. Not now.

OK, so this is a moment I am kind of excited to talk about this because this is one of those things. So we get we get given gifts when we go on tour all the time. And people will hand us stuff in the in the line, in the meet and greet line and they will say they'll tell us a little story, hand us something. We'll say thank you. We put it in a pile, we ship it back to the office, and then sometimes three months later, we go through the box.

Then we're like, oh, remember this? And whatever. And so we have a bookshelf at the office that has all the books we've been given or, you know, there's just different stuff all around. So this book ended up on my nightstand that I started reading, I would say, two weeks ago. And it's called The Forest City Killer by Vanessa Brown.

And it is it is about in London, Ontario, Canada. In the sixties, there is a serial killer and nobody put it together that there was a serial killer in this tiny town. And this Vanessa Brown, the author, gave it to us herself. This this one is to me. I'm sure there's one to you. And I read the whole book. It's really fascinating. It's really heartbreaking. Of course, it goes into like how the families deal with it.

And it's, you know, that victims are teenage girls. And then the I read every page because it was that good. And I still, you know, by the end, it's not satisfying because it's very realistic. And, you know, it's just isn't much about her doing the research and trying to get this the truth out as anything else. And then at the very end, I'm I'm just kind of scanning the acknowledgments page. And at the very bottom, yeah, it says it's of you know, it's listing people and then it says Karen in Georgia who have no idea how important they are to the rest of us.

We got it right in the middle. We got a wedding. I hope it's not her parents. And then, oh, my God.

And then she says, oh, and the last thing says, and to my partner, the only person who really matters, Jason Dixon. And then it says says DGM, Vehbi. Amazing. I was like, the book is great, Vanessa. Highly recommend. But then this world we live in, we're kind of I don't do I was can I say I was just I'm listening to a book right now and I put it on and everyone's been listening to it and saying how great it is.

It's called Hold on, let me make sure it's called the Sundown Motel by Simon St. James. And it's like, you know, this woman goes missing in the seventies and her, you know, her niece goes to find out what it's like, one of those like true crime fiction books and in the. Beginning, it's like, you know, the thank you's and I'm listening on Audible, so it's that and and it says and to all the murder renos and I was just like, what the fuck is my life?

Yeah, this is insane.

It's amazing that just like this same thing happened in Maureen Johnson's book that she is she's dedicated it to all the murder. She knows. I know. It's very cool. Thanks for being here. Read books. Thanks for being here. And books are now becoming a big part of what I do. It's how I put myself to bed at night because I know I'll just fall asleep on the couch watching TV. So mine is mine's White Castle.

Oh, no, I'm sorry. Mine's a white claw. Mine's white cloth. Both are good answers. Both are acceptable answers. What about what about three White Castle burgers and then a whole. And then you slam a white claw and then you tell the truth. Oh, my God.

You tell everybody what you really think about their outfit. I haven't been outside in about three days and I need to go for a walk.

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Who's first, Stephen, you are Georgia. All right, Georgia sitting guys, just you know, I'm looking at Georgia on Skype and she's sitting in her in her closet with clothes, like around her shoulders, like you have long hair of material.

I'm surrounded by vintage, but it's very comforting. It it is. And I actually I've been this whole time been absentmindedly touching my my late grandmother's bathrobe. Oh, that like means so much to me. Oh yeah. And it's nice. What's that material. It's silk and it's like an old kind of old timey bathrobe.

Yeah.

I mean I just love it. Just hold it to. Oh sorry. Before you start. Nick Nick Terry did an MFM animation of the cocaine cocaine hogs. Yeah. It's so great. It's on everywhere. But I didn't realize this and I finally saw it in his link.

Nick Terry has a Patreon that we should all join. So go to Patrón dot com slash forward slash MFM underscore animated and you can join Nick Cherrie's Patreon and make it so that he can just do that for a living.

That'd be cool. And he makes he makes merch from that stuff too. That's really cool. I've definitely seen some rad T-shirts and stuff. So yes, my friend Patty Riley, my friend Patty Reilly has his shirt with all the characters, all the characters across the front.

And she told me she's been stopped a couple of times by murdering those who were like, oh my God, it's such a it's such a good shirt.

It's yeah. The new one is excellent. It's it's necessary watching for whomever. OK, how am I going to do this. I have. Can you see.

I know. Yeah I can see the lights ok.

I just don't have enough hands so let's do it this way. Let's start with this one pocket. It's the global pandemic. I'm doing the mysterious death of Natalie Wood.

Oh shit, girl. I went there. You did? I thought you were going to say, like the black plague or something.

Oh, no, this is a fucking one of us eventually has to do it.

Start. Yes, it's. That's so true. Wow. Yeah. Are you for let me tip back in my chair. Yeah. And the problem with this one is like you could do it six different way, like there's six different ways to do it and options and thoughts and stories to read about it. Yeah. Complicated. So I'm doing kind of, you know, not bare bones but the some basics. Right, because there's just a lot of theory.

Right. Because there's no no one really knows the truth.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I got a bunch of information from a Vanity Fair article by Sam Kassner, another Vanity Fair article by Susanne STOD and all that's interesting article by Marco Margueritte off the biography article by Tim on Wikipedia. There's a 48 Hours episode about it called Death in Dark Water. Did you watch that? No, but I will after this.

And then there's a New York Times article by Katherine Rosman.

I mean, there is just a million articles you could read about this and videos to Natalie Wood is born on July twenty eighth, nineteen thirty eight. Her real name was Natalia Zahoor Hinkie.

She now that Natalia was her real name because she was born from Russian immigrant parents. Oh wow. And her mom pushes her into acting. Oh they were born in San Francisco. They are from San Francisco. Yeah. So her mom pushed the girl at the age of four. Her mom pushes her into acting and she appears in a couple of films. By the time she's seven studio executives at RKO Pictures, they change her name to Natalie Wood because they want to sound more American.

Sure. At eight at eight years old, she gets cast in the role of Susan Walker, the girl who doesn't believe in Santa Claus and everyone's favorite Christmas movie, Miracle on 34th Street. She's the little girl like she's a huge fucking role.

It's a huge role. And she is so great and watchable and charming and real.

It's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. I really love that everyone right now is putting up Christmas trees and Christmas lights and pretending it's Christmas. I think that's a brilliant idea. Oh, I forgot about that. I should get my old my white Christmas tree back out. Yeah. So long. I think it's a great I take that thing apart though. God damn it. I just left it up all the time, you know, after a series of smaller roles, Natalie Wood play ends up playing that teen Injinoo opposite James Dean, of course, in Rebel Without a Cause.

We all remember that. We don't remember it, but we we know about it. Hey, that's a great let's just bookmark some of these as a as a movie for your quarantine. Rebel Without a Cause was so ahead of its time. That movie is is it's not like a 50s movie. When you watch it, you will not believe it's just incredible. And it's like it's suddenly these teenagers and what's happening in reality, which is these baby boomers, their children are all white.

Now, that's not right. Now, these parents from the from World War Two are having children who are rebelling and everyone wants something different now, and it's just kind of shocking. It's a great movie. It's incredible. A role that yeah, it's a role that earns her best supporting actress nomination at fucking 16 years old. Yeah.

In her 20s, she's cast in the musical adaptation of West Side Story and another incredible movie and the movie Gypsy. And by the time she's 25, she's one of the youngest people to have been nominated for three Oscars. She's one of the fucking biggest stars of her time. And the public had watched her grow up through the movies. So they're, of course, like, you know, emotionally attached to her and they're completely enamored by her. She's this big, huge, soulful, dark brown eyes and but also like this girl next door charm.

So she's just, you know, she's Americana. Yeah. And everyone loves her. Yeah. In 1956, on her 18th birthday, the studio heads from 20th Century Fox set her up with 26 year old Robert Wagner. He's known to his friends as R.J. That's his like that's what everyone calls him. And they the studio heads were thinking their relationship would get great publicity for Wagner's up and coming acting career. They always did. They set people up all the time.

Yeah, that was. And just another I'm going to bookmark this for the quarantine watch. If you've never watched heart to heart and you ever wondered what the early 80s was like in Los Angeles, I'm telling you, this show, Heart to heart, Hayati to HRT, some cheesy, amazing. It's a rich husband and wife that solve crimes for reasons you cannot figure out, like they're constantly embroiled in crime and murder, even though they're rich and they live in, like Beverly Hills or something.

And it's the background, the outfits, the hair. It's so good. It's it's on par with Columbo.

And I think it's easier to get hold of. Yeah.

And Robert Wagner is the main character. We've been watching Columbo ever since you fucking reminded me. And it's it's just as good as you. It's exactly what you said. It is so beautiful. It's unbelievable.

So they fall fuckin like madly in love with each other in a way that I think only happened in the fifties, you know, and with beautiful actors like where she fell madly in love with each other. They get married a year later, 1947, and they become Hollywood's like royal couple. Everyone's obsessed with them. The media scrutiny, of course, puts a strain on their marriage. And five after five years of, you know, Rocky, I'm sure, alcohol fuelled relationship.

They divorce after rumors of an alleged affair between Natalie Wood and her co-star at the time, Warren Beatty. And they were in Splendour in the Grass Together, which is another great movie to watch.

Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm.

So there's rumors of that and everyone. And so they divorced. But it's rumored that the real reason they split is that Natalie Wood actually walked in on Robert Wagner having an intimate moment with another man. Oh, that's the rumor.

OK, and then in a lawsuit she filed against him at the time, she charges him with mental cruelties.

Oh. So Suzanne instead wrote a 2001 biography about Natalie Wood, and she alleges that she was that Natalie and her sister confirm Natalie Wood sister Lana confirms this, that she was raped by a powerful actor when she was just 16 years old at the Chateau Marmont.

She had gone in to, like interview with an actor about a position and came out, if I can, just in tears and, you know, having, you know, having just been sexually assaulted by and there they say who it is, who the rumored person is. I'm not going to fucking say it, obviously, but you can find it online.

You know it just to say sidebar you. But it is like the other day the news report came out that Harvey Weinstein not only got sent actually got sent to jail, which I think a lot of people in Los Angeles kind of can't believe.

But then on top of that, now he has coronavirus because he's in jail and he really is this symbol.

And hopefully it's like the end of of not just an era, but a tradition in Hollywood where people with power, they just break other people because they can and no one does need because no one else wants to get in their way.

But Lana Wood, the sister, says that to a New York Times reporter, that after the rape, their mother instructed Natalie to keep it a secret in order to protect her career, of course. And so her mother was kind of the stage mom who was like anything for your career, suck it up kind of a person. Yeah. And also at 16 years old, while she was filming Rebel Without a Cause, she had an affair with the movie's 41 year old director, Nicholas Ray.

That is fucking bananas on its own, right. You know? Yeah. Yes. So during her first marriage to Robert Wagner, Natalie Wood is insecure. She's 18. She's just. She said everyone, she has terrible insomnia and can't figure out why she's so unhappy, she starts taking sleeping pills and then she finally starts going to a psychiatrist and spends every lunch hour for the next eight years talking with the psychiatrist. She turns down roles so she can be close to him and talk to him.

Wow. Pretty amazing. Every lunch hour.

Every day. Yeah. But, you know, movie. Lunch hour. Oh, yeah. Yeah, probably 15 minutes. And at 3:00 every three days or so after that, she has a brief relationship with Warren Beatty. He leaves her to date a coat check girl is the rumor. She and so Natalie attempt suicide by swallowing a bunch of pills. She goes to Cedar Sinai and they save her in time. Her biographer writes that Natalie was always on the precipice of a crisis and her greatest fear.

And she and there's there's video of her saying this to interviewers. Her greatest fear is dark water and that she would drown in dark water. It's her biggest fear. After their divorce, both Natalie and RJ, Robert Wagner marry other people. They have children. They both move on with their lives for nine fucking years or like later days to each other. But Wood and Natalie Wood ends up leaving her second husband in 1971, not long after the birth of her daughter, Natasha.

And within three months of her second divorce, RJ and Natalie are back together and even more in love than ever. Apparently, her sister Lorna does say when she was like, what the fuck to Natalie? She was like, you know, something like the devil, you know, is better than the devil you don't know or one of those along those lines. Yeah, but it does seem like they were super fuckin in love with each other and obsessed.

Yeah. So Natalie's fear of water, as I said, it's been famously documented as a child. Her Natalie's mom takes her to a fortune teller and the fortune tellers like she'll be a great beauty. But she should also beware of dark water now.

So from then on, I know to. Yeah. A fortune teller.

Can you not scare a four year old, please, or whatever, but also where what?

Fortune teller? Because she knew what she was talking about.

So there's all these examples of her filming movies where they just get in the water and she's freaked out and she's just she's terrified of it. OK, will you believe me, for fuck's sake? Unless you all believe me, I don't have to give you details. OK, despite her fear of water, Natalie Wood enjoys boating and sailing frequently. I think Catalina at the time, you know that little island twenty two miles away from us. Yeah. L.A. here is like where the fucking rich and famous go to, like, you know, yacht and to hang out with a yacht and boat.

Yeah. And like, you know, hang out without being without the sleeves bugging them. Um, she even remarries RJ on a yacht and they go on a cruise to Catalina for their second honeymoon in 1975. A couple of years later, they buy their own yacht. It's called the Challenger, but they rename it Splendor, even though it's considered bad luck to rename a boat, which I didn't know I didn't either, for shadowing all the rich people that listen are like, I know.

Yeah, because everybody yacht and yacht bullshit you when you're a yacht with a helicopter pad on it and shit like that, they so they hire this dude to help them bring the boat from where they bought it, Florida to California, and they end up hiring him to be their captain.

He's a clean kind of hot dude. But there's no you know, that he's just a friend of theirs and he becomes a really good friend of theirs. And they like having him on board. And they kind of it's almost like, you know, their friend on board with them. So that's good. And his name is Dennis Davern. So by nineteen eighty one now forty three year old Natalie Wood, her career is waning. Her parts are of course going to younger actresses.

And meanwhile, you know, RJ is becoming that hot, grizzled detective, cigarette smoking looking guy and he is getting a bunch of television shows.

And because television star with his hit heart to heart, Aaron loves it, which I genuinely do love. But I have to say again, that's that thing where now Hollywood is easily one of the most beautiful Hollywood actresses there has ever been. And her expiration date was what, Woody? You saying she's in her early, late thirties when. Yeah, forty three. She's forty for only forty. So young. Yeah.

I'm in enforcing cuttable and then meanwhile it's just like dudes get older and somehow the rules are yeah that's great. The more grizzled you are the better it is. So. Yeah exactly.

So everything is fair and nothing is wrong. Yeah. Breaking news Hollywoods. It's unfair. You won't ever want it. It's really superficial anyway.

And their marriage gets a little rocky and Natalie's worried that RJ is drinking too much. You know, he's getting famous. There's flirtations on set with the lead actress from heart to heart, whose name you powers. Thank you. Thank you. Knew you'd know that. I knew the answers. Karen, good girl. Where are your dogs and why are they barking?

Oh, they're locked away the fuck out of here because they would be barking any if a person walked by, it would be all dogs. So I fed them and then gave them both bully sticks and shit about three doors so they can't come in.

But I'll let them in at the end. Yes, of course. So her career's waning, but she does get a movie opposite Oscar winner Christopher Walken, who, God dammit, he was a snack when he was young. Have you seen him? Oh, yeah. On him. Oh, and a dancer. A dancer and a snack and. Yeah, and just a cool guy. Always. Yeah. Cool guy. And her last picture is with him called Brainstorm.

He had just filmed he had got an Oscar for Deer Hunter, which is another movie to put on your list and I would put that down near the bottom. So Deer Hunter. OK, not a good I actually haven't seen it. I was like, but it's good. It's so heavy. Well, I mean, it's about the it's about Vietnam veterans.

So it's about, as I say, is a movie.

OK, take it off your list right now way or just like say yeah. Wait till things stabilize a little bit more. The definitely I really want to watch Twelve Monkeys and this is like, why would you want to do that right now.

Great fucking movie. I was thinking of this. Sorry.

Well while you were kind of going through her movies, there's one that I've seen and it's not as well known, but I went through a very strong Steve McQueen phase. And there's a movie called Love with the Proper Stranger. Love with the Proper Stranger, Love with the Proper Stranger. It's from nineteen sixty. Yes. And I said yes so confidently for sure.

But if you I would flip deer hunter in love with a proper stranger because the vibe of that movie is so lovely and it's like two people that are like not trying not to fall in love and then they have a one night stand.

It's really good. It's, it's, they're not actors that it's believable in that it almost seems like.

Yeah. Like I feel like if you're an actor and you're having a love scene with a you know, with someone else, you kind of have to have those vibes with them or it's going to be a terrible scene, you know. Right. I think that's that's why it makes sense. Yeah. That's why actors are the way they are where they're kind of fake, but they actually kind of mean it because they're just like, yeah, life experience at all.

And then it's all kind of like rock and roll. And yeah, that's I'm like, sit in your fucking closet and hide from everything with a white cloth.

That's that's my acting skills in a nutshell. I'm like, OK, I'm in love with Steve McQueen. That'll solve it. That'll do it. Definitely. OK, so RJ visits the set of Brainstorm and notices the chemistry between Natalie and Walken and is like he writes in his memoir that at the least they were having an emotional affair. Like there was a fucking connection between the two of them. Yeah, at least. Yeah.

But on Thanksgiving weekend nineteen eighty one, Natalie invites Christopher Walken to join her in RJ on the Splendour to go to Catalina, which is like that sounds like the most awkward fucking trip I have ever heard. Yeah. I wonder what that was about. Yeah. Christopher Walken should have said he had like hemorrhoids or something and like not gone.

Yeah.

He was like oh my old, my old tap Bunyan's are getting me. I have to tap dance too much. I need to go. Yes. Sorry. So the Captain Davern, the dude that they're friends with immediately doesn't like Walken as soon as he gets on the boat because he's there with Natalie Wood and him and Christopher Walken are openly flirting on the boat. All right. OK, so the group, the group of four, the four of them, Natalie Wood, Christopher Walken, Wagner and the Captain Davoren diversion, they leave around noon on Friday.

And Davoren says that he could tell Wagner was jealous of all the attention Wood was giving Walken. And it's a great cold day. The sea is rough. This is foreshadowing.

Oh, I'm really good at it.

So Christopher Walken gets seasick on the way over there. He's in his state room. He probably just was uncomfortable, if I'm guessing correctly.

And the yacht gets to the harbor and Catalina and there's no more things available, which I'm guessing is just like the the on the dock on the beach where you can more your boat.

Is that right? I think it means like a parking space in the harbor is white. So that's my guess. Also, knowing nothing about yachts or boats, I think we're right.

I think that means you just like jump on and off when you want to go into town. But so there isn't one of those, so they have to, like, put their anchor down a little out of a little out of the dock, which means they have to take a dinghy if they want to go to land, so.

Right. Yeah. I mean, do they know who these people are? Day class. That's what they're screaming in the dinghy as they have to row across.

Do you know who I am? It's me from heart to heart. So it's a it's a quarter of a mile off of Avalon, which is the like Maine small town in Catalina. And around five p.m. that evening, they all go into town. Devon stays behind to make dinner. They have beers at the restaurant and then they go back on board. And essentially RJ and Natalie start fighting on board that Friday night because R.J. wants to move the boat because of the rough sea conditions, because they're so far out, you know, in the water.

Natalie wants to spend the night. She wants to go on shore and stay at a fucking hotel because she's terrified of water. Yeah. And it's all choppy and shit and he refuses.

But he lets her leave with the captain, Dennis, and they go spend the night in a hotel together. But nothing happens. It's like it's very innocent. But she she confides in this guy Dennis a lot. And one of the things she says that night is that she's thinking of divorcing him. Oh, yeah. And so but the next morning she was like planning on taking a helicopter back or a boat back to town, like to Los Angeles.

But the next morning she reconsiders and goes back to the boat and they smooth things over. So it's Saturday now.

OK, so in the afternoon that Saturday, they all go to this Smith's Cove, which is an isolated spot on the northern end of the island.

It's a really small community that caters to yachtsmen, which means rich people, Natalie Wood and Christopher Walken go alone on the little dinghy to a restaurant and they're sitting there having drinks and everyone saying they're laughing and having the best time. When Robert Wagner shows up and he gets pissed that they're having so much fun, he's really jealous of the two of them, allegedly. And they go to the only restaurant on the cove to have dinner. And some of the restaurant staff and other diners there said that everyone was drinking, they were drinking very heavily.

And there was volatile behavior on Natalie Wood's part. It seems like she got really drunk and mad at Robert Wagner, apparently. Supposedly she throws a glass at the wall at some point and then, like, he has to hide her behind his coat, walking her out because she's stumbling so much. And, of course, everyone knows who they are. They're fucking royalty. Yeah. And when they when they leave the restaurant, the restaurant's manager calls up the harbormaster and he's like, yo, keep a fucking eye on these junkies, please, because that's how bad it is.

You know, it's OK. There's something going on here. So they go back to the Splendor at about 10:00 p.m. and they open another bottle of wine. And this is according to Dennis and Natalie Wood and Christopher Walken. They're all hanging out in the state room and they're openly flirting and like acting like no one else is in the room. And so RJ grabs a bottle of wine and smashes it on the table in front of them and says to Christopher Walken, Jesus Christ, what are you trying to do?

Fuck my wife? That's a fucking quote from Dennis that he says that. OK, so after that, Christopher Walken so crazy, retreats to his room and then Natalie Wood and Robert Wagner start fighting in their room. And Dennis DuVernay says that he stayed on the bridge and he can hear them fighting. And it's like one of the worst fights he's ever heard between them. He says that stuff was getting thrown around and everyone on the boat could hear it.

And then he says the next thing she hears is the ropes being the ropes from the dinghy being tugged on and the dinghy being untied. And then it's silence and then it's about eleven, thirty pm. And everyone's shitfaced at this point. You know, they they drink so much alcohol.

And then he at eleven thirty I sweated and tussled. Robert Wagner comes back up to the bridge and tells Dennis that Natalie is missing on the dinghy, is gone but casual about it and is like she must have got in a fight, she must have wanted to go back to the land and took off on her own in this dinghy. But it's this woman who's afraid of water and didn't even know how to operate the dinghy. Yeah. So Dennis, of course, is like, why don't we turn the searchlight on and try to look for her?

But RJ insists that they, like, not worry about her at the moment. They open a bottle of Scotch. He refuses to call for help. And then more than an hour passes and it's one thirty a.m. when they finally call for help after two hours of her being missing.

And RJ asked the people to look around town first because he apparently thought she had gone back to land. The Coast Guard has called it three 30 a.m. and the search goes into high gear, so around 8:00 a.m. that morning on November twenty six, someone spots something bobbing on top of the water about a mile off of Blue Cavern Point, which is a couple miles from Moscow. So close by where the boat was, it's Natalie Wood's body floating face down.

The only thing she was wearing when she left the boat was a cotton nightgown, a red down jacket and blue wool socks. Hmm. So no matter how she got on or or, you know, in or out of the water, she's not wearing shoes, but she's wearing her jacket and socks. It doesn't seem like something someone would put on to just get in a dinghy and leave.

Well, not a sober person, but. Right. You know, who knows. Yeah. And so but they find the the dinghy and its ignition key is switched off. The gearshift is in neutral and the orders are up in a locked position, which I feel like that to me is the most telling thing, because if someone were dry, were trying to get to shore and they were drunk and shit, they wouldn't leave it in that position. And like in a you know, they wouldn't lock the doors and dive into the fucking water.

Right. It just wouldn't happen. Right. I mean, if she didn't know how to work it anyway, because first of all, I thought a dinghy I didn't realize a dinghy had a motor. I thought it was just the boat with the or so maybe like I don't know. I don't know. But I think it's a rich, rich person's dinghy.

OK, that makes sense.

So it's like a rich person's dinghy is the name of this episode, but it is something of when you're super drunk and you're in a fight with someone where you're like, I will storm off this boat where if they're drunk enough to be fighting in public in a restaurant on a on Catalina Island, which is the smallest place on the planet, then clearly they're all of them were out of their normal thinking mode.

So then it is like, fuck you, I am going to leave and go back or whatever.

And they like, fuck you do it like you don't worry about her. And, you know. Yeah. And let's not call the police because she's just drunk and maybe she'll just end up somewhere and learned her lesson. I mean, because I have to say, I've always heard this story and it's basically the story or the way people have always talked about it is like, you know, Robert Wagner killed Natalie Wood and everyone knows it. And it's like but I really I look for that.

And maybe it's because I love heart to heart, but I'm looking for that. What what is the through line where you could be seeing it in a different way, where it's like actually just people making terrible decisions in a boat, which is it's easy to go wrong.

I think that makes sense. And I feel like if he had killed her, the dinghy wouldn't be involved at all. He would have just thrown her fucking overboard, you know what I mean? Like, how does the dinghy come into play? Yeah. Did he put her on it and be like, fuck you, you need to chill out not thinking she would die, but let me read you more because there's other little clues that are weird.

OK, so the news of Natalie Wood's death spreads across the globe. People fucking like this is, you know, one of the biggest stars. It's like an Angelina Jolie type of thing. That is, she died in this manner with Brad Pitt on board. Like that's the equivalent of it's just insane. Right. And Dennis Davern, the captain, later says that that Wagner immediately comes up with the story of the night's events and tells him and Christopher Walken is to stick to this story.

He says he regrets going along with it at a time. But at the time he and for a while longer, this is the story he sticks to. They they all tell the detective that they thought Natalie took the dinghy to shore, even though Dennis Davern knew that Natalie was deathly afraid of water and didn't know how to pilot the small rubber boat herself. There's no mention of the fight. The men say that the shattered wine bottle is from the waves.

And soon after the discovery, the body, RJ and Christopher Walken leave the island in a helicopter and leave Davern to identify the body.

Catalina. Oh, no. Yeah, I know, right?

I but I wonder if some kind of lawyer didn't step in and start telling everybody what to do behind the scenes. Totally. Or someone was like, you don't want to see her the way she is have something like it does make sense to have someone, you know, a step outside of her immediate loved ones. Yes. Identify a body.

Also, this is basically circling back to like the casting couch thing. And the the thing I was talking about earlier, where this is the kind of thing and I think it surprises people, but it's like, you know, these are two these are three major stars.

So the financial impact on the studios that they work for or the TV shows or whatever, there are people it's just like Michael Clayton, the fixer, you know. I mean, there are people who, when you're rich enough, come in and take care of things for you in a way that high powered. Yeah, no. One. Gets in in real life, and no one would ever get that kind of help, no one would ever. And it is it's it's like borderline.

It's like the Mafia, you know what I mean? We're just like they're protecting their investment. They're protecting this these parts of the studio. It's just like, oh, yeah, I can I can absolutely imagine. There's somebody that no one's ever known, the name of that that, you know, sailed out on a boat was like, you do this, you go here, you shut your mouth.

And it's easy to say it was Robert Wagner because he's you know, he's the husband. It's the husband always did it. But actually it I would I would it's easy to imagine for me to imagine some kind of, like, studio head that was like sending a guy out and basically getting a fixer deal with it.

And Robert Wagner has been an actor since he was young. He's used to being told what to do by these higher power. Oh, yeah. So the autopsy shows that would actually has multiple bruises on her arms and an abrasion on her left cheek. And the coroner explains her bruises as, quote, superficial, end quote, probably sustained at the time of drowning in the coroner concludes that Natalie had fallen into the water while trying to board the dinghy. But there also fingernail scratches found on the Dinis side as if she was trying to hoist herself up from the water.

So maybe she was trying to be like, fuck you, I'm out of here.

And the dinghy got, you know, untied.

And she floated along, you know, I mean, it sounds kind of far fetched, but I mean, except for if they're if they're.

Oh, now, a cop car just went by when a cop car just knocked out of my house.

Yeah. Really? George has a knife and she's in the street. No, I was just thinking, like, being so drunk, being as drunk as they were, as you told me they were. Yeah. Yeah. And then you're like, I'm leaving this yacht and getting on this dinghy. Like, can you imagine just right now getting onto a dinghy how scary that would be and weird. My God. And if you're all drunken, enraged, I don't know, a boating accident.

I don't know. It's easy to picture. No. If you're shit faced, it's not it's not far fetched. No, it's not it's not a far fetched thing for someone who was drunk. And also, by the way, on motion sickness, medication and painkillers. Yeah. Found in her system. She had her her what's it called BMI was point one for which is twice the legal limit. And I'm sure she's a tiny sorry, what BMI body mass index.

Thank you.

You know what I meant. Yes. You know what I meant was her alcohol level. Yes. Was point one bar.

So she's probably a teeny tiny person. Yes. Like she's got all of this in her in her system. She's almost twice the legal limit.

Yeah, I feel like I feel like not hearing a splash is a like no. And I know everyone on the boat lied initially, but like people on different boats nearby would have heard a splash.

I don't know.

I mean, I don't know either. Yeah. Yeah.

So they after a two week investigation, the police ruled her death an accident.

And eventually Dennis and Vern leaves California for the East Coast. And he in the 90s, he starts drunk dialing Lana Wood, Natalie Wood's younger sister, being like, dude, I got to tell you the fucking truth. Like what I told he he made me tell that story. And there's all this crazy shit about, like, you know, after the fact, he lived with Robert Wagner and like Robert Wagner got in parts on TV and, you know, kind of seems like he was grooming him in a way.

And then Lana starts to believe it and believes, you know, he tells her about the explosive fight they had. And Lorna becomes one of our harshest critics. And he she accuses him of pushing Natalie into the water. So and she's a she's an actress as well. And people accuse her of exploiting Natalie's death for attention, but she says she just wants the truth. And then for years, Robert Wagner tells people he thinks Natalie was trying to retire the dinghy when she slipped and hit her head and fell in the water.

That's like in his biography. That's his first his autobiography, that's his theory is that she was tightening the ropes. And Phelim want Christopher Walken hasn't publicly spoken much on the events. He fucking won't talk about it. But he does appear to believe that it wasn't an act, it was an accident.

And in November 2011, Dennis Davern, he had finally come forward at that point and publicly announces that he lied to detectives during the original investigation. And he his the his confession gives the LAPD a reason to open the case. So this is when this all comes out, his whole story about what happened that night and sorry, everyone here, what year was it then when he finally.

Forward to 2011. Oh, shoot. OK, yeah, so everyone's like you're trying to get money for, you know, for your to write a book about it and from the paparazzi, you're just trying to get money, blah, blah, blah. But either way, the case is reopened. And during a six year investigation, the new detectives on the case review the autopsy and find that Natalie has had wounds that are troubling and may indicate that she was in a violent fight and was pushed or tossed into the water while unconscious.

And according to one detective, she, quote, looks like the victim of an assault.

And they do the whole thing and they talk about the like the way the wounds were, you know, delivered is up and not down. And so she didn't fall this way. She fell that way or whatever the fuck. Right. And they discover a key witness, a woman named Marilyn, who was in a boat 80 feet away that night. And she says that she and her boyfriend heard a woman screaming for help around 11:00 p.m. They tried to call the harbormaster.

It goes unanswered, but there's a party on a boat nearby. So they're like, oh, it just must be partying.

Oh, wow. I know. And in 2012, the autopsy report is amended to no longer classify Natalie Wood's death as an accident and her death certificate is changed to drowning and other undetermined factors. So, wow, that's terrific. It is now not accidental drowning anymore. And in twenty eighteen, Robert Wagner is officially named a person of interest in the case. They can't name him a suspect, but he's a person of interest. Is that crazy? Yeah.

I mean, of course, he's a person of interest, but there's four people on the boat like. Yeah, but they're not naming Christopher Walken as a person of interest, just Robert.

Well, they changed. I think the fact that they changed her death from accidental drowning, which means no one is a person of interest to drowning and other undetermined factors, meaning there has to be you know, there should be a person of interest if this is an accident. Right. And it's Christopher Walken isn't involved. Yeah, I can't imagine. Yeah. Also, what a terrible situation for him.

Like, what if he I mean, he really did like was in love with her, had a huge crush on her, was like he was there because he was in love with her and thought maybe I'm going to win her over from her husband or whatever idea.

And then he's there when he was married at the time too. But it's also like maybe maybe they were just friends and he definitely heard them fighting that night. But what he wants is to be a huge fucking actor. He wants to be an actor so he can never speak of this again. Right. You know. Right. Well, tarnish his entire reputation. Right. Natalie Wood's death remains one of Hollywood's biggest mysteries. No one knows how she got into the water.

Police say they're not going to close the case and that the case is now undeniably a, quote, suspicious death. Wow. And then her daughter, Natasha Gregson Wagner, who we've talked about on the podcast before, and she was partially raised by her stepfather, who was R.J. She believes fully that her mother's drowning was an accident. And she says the little details don't really matter. To her quote, The result is the same. She died and she left when I was 11 and my sister was seven.

And we needed her.

Oh, no. Oh, no. She said she was she was hilarious. She was always so funny. She would walk into our house and everything would be better if she walked into a room and it was sepia. It suddenly became bright colors. And Natalie Wood would be eighty two years old and a grandmother if she were still alive today.

And that is a mysterious death of Natalie was heartbreaking.

A heartbreaking, sad, this woman, this poor woman who just wanted some kind of normalcy in her life, which there's a podcast called Fatal Voyage. And the first season is about the mysterious death of Natalie Wood. And so her sister talks and it it goes really deep and there's a lot of information there. So check that out if you want to know more. That's very cool.

Yeah, I would love to know the detail. I mean, to really hear about what the details of the autopsy were like. The because there it is so fascinating when coroners can go over stuff and and basically be like the way this wound, the direction of this indicates this. Like when that kind of stuff gets like sussed out and in court by coroners. I always find that to be the most fascinating because it is yeah. It really does tell so much more.

And yeah, who knows.

I mean, what if Robert Wagner's, you know, theory is true, that he was saying that the dinghy kept banging against the side of the boat and so a couple of times in the past, he's had to go out and tighten it because she couldn't sleep with the banging noise. Yeah. So what if that night after they got in a fight and he went back up to drink with Dennis, she went down to try and tighten it, which which makes sense that she had no shoes on and just her coat and she fell in.

Yeah. And she was like, like in a bad mood because of all the fighting and all the drinking. And she's still a little drunk and she's like, fuck everybody and I'm just going to go fix this. I mean that. Right. That's actually incredibly tragic. There's so many elements of tragedy to this.

But the idea that this whole time everybody thinks he killed her when actually it was just a terrible accident, it makes me think as well of like those times so many parties I've been to where people get my friends get so drunk and then they're like, I drive home and you fight with them for hours to get the keys out of their hand.

And there's so many times you just go find drive yourself home, you asshole. Like I used to have. My friend used to get someone who I loved, but he gets so drunk and finally my ex would go out and just he would just basically make it so his car wouldn't run. So he's like, here, take the keys and he would like go take off the whatever caps or the, you know what I mean, unplug the battery or whatever some kind of thing.

The key knew how to do because he knows cars and he just like he would just go pass out in his car. But it's like there is that point when people are drunk and you're in a fight and everything is. So bad, you know what I mean, where you just go find, like, get away from. Oh yeah, I've gotten in a fight with a boyfriend at a bar. I mean, like, I'm walking home and we, like, walked home in the middle of fucking the lower Haight in San Francisco and like and then I'd gone into dive bars, like, fuck him, I'm going to have a drink by myself in this.

You know, it's just unsafe fucking things because you're not thinking clearly.

Yeah. And as the person that things are gone, it's like he was just as drunk. Sounds like, you know, from all those stories, it's like he's, you know, it's or or he's her in the fucking water.

But who knows. I mean, it's interesting since we've all heard that theory, it's very interesting to hear kind of the details. I mean, I never knew any of that other stuff. It's amazing. Yeah. Wow. Great job. Thank you.

You're welcome. OK, well, it's my turn, and so this week I'm going to do one I don't know if you've heard of this, the boxcar killer. No, no, give it to me. This is a hobo based true crime story, OK? Yeah.

And was the one that you read the book about where he was going from city to no ax murder. That's the man on the train.

The story and that. Yes, if you haven't read the man on a train and you're looking for a quarantine entertainment, I know I've recommended it a hundred times, but it is a I still go to a written book.

You haven't. I swear you'll love it. No, I'm going to I'm going to do it. Smelling my clothes.

It's written by Bill James and Rachel McCarthy. James, who I believe listens to this show. Yeah, because when I recommended it and she said thank you, but maybe someone just told her anyway, amazing. I'm going to tell myself that she listens anyway. Yeah. That that book's amazing. No, this is a little bit different. It's really crazy. OK, so it was suggested by Kimbe. She wrote into the to our email. So thank you can be for suggesting this story.

Our sources are the Spokane spokesman review, the East Bay Times, The Guardian and always my one true love murder pedia. OK, and we're just going to talk about this really quick, because this came up once before, long ago. The term hobo is not a problematic termite's. The term hobo is not a reason for you to get upset. The term hobo comes from a time after the civil war when a lot of men who are out of work and looking for a basically migrant farming jobs, looking to go anywhere, they so they would jump on the railroad and they would travel all around the country to get farming jobs anywhere that there were farming jobs based on what was growing and being farmed, and they would bring their own homes with them.

So the nickname used to be Ho Boy Joey. And then after, you know, as time passed, it got shortened down to Hobo. And that's what that's what hobos call each other. So if you think it's problematic, wow, you can call your local hobo and bring it up with them. But but there's also a modern term for Hobo, which is train writers. So we can also use that terminology as well. But we need to take the stigma off Hobo because there's no there's not a problem with it as far as hobos are concerned.

So here's it starts in nineteen ninety five in December of nineteen ninety five. Thirty nine year old train rider, we'll call him William Pettit Jr. He finds himself a spot to sleep in the boxcar on the train that he is writing illegally.

Of course that's how all of it, all of all of this is hobos and train riders, people that jump on to moving trains and hitch rides. It's illegal. There's security guards that they're actually called by hobos and train riders. They're called bulls. And security guards often look for them to kick them off. They're not supposed to be doing it. It's very unsafe to do anyway. And then on top of that, there's a lot of danger with the other people that that are on the train.

So William Pettit, Junior found a box car. He found a spot to sleep. The train was passing through northwest Oregon. He's in a sleeping bag. He covers his head with an old baseball hat and he snuggles in. It's really cold. He falls asleep. And sometime during the night, another train rider sneaks into that car and beats Pettit Jr. to death with a blunt object. Oh, my God. The murderer then takes all of Pettit's belongings, including the clothes he's wearing and leaves behind his nude body in the bloodied sleeping bag.

So when the train. God, yeah. So when the train gets to the station in Millersburg, Oregon, one of the railroad security guards, the bull who's working the train yard that night, he does the routine check of all the boxcars on the train and he finds William Pettit Junior's body and calls the police. So when the autopsy is conducted, it's deduced that Pettitte was killed as the train passed through Salem, Oregon, which is roughly 20 miles north of where the train stopped.

And so Salem was where the authorities were contacted. So Diana Moffitt is the prosecutor at the time in Salem, Oregon. And the case she gets the case, she knows the odds of solving a murder that took place on a moving train and the murder of a transient thing. The odds of being able to track that down and solve that case are very low. And so she didn't have a lot of hope. And but then just two days later, she learns that the body of train writer Michael Clydes has been found bludgeoned to death in a boxcar in a Portland rail yard.

And the scene is very similar to William Petit Junior's murder. He had been bludgeoned violently about the head and his all his stuff had been stolen. So Diana Moffitt calls Portland because obviously the portlands, the big city in Oregon, and she wants someone that's actually going to investigate this case and someone who knows what they're doing. So she calls Detective Mike Quackenbush to help with the investigation.

I'm going to have to say his name a bunch of times. It's one of the unfortunate it's simply it's an unfortunate name.

It's goofy, but. Yeah, but so is Kilgariff. We respect we respect you. We respect the job. So as Detective Mike Quackenbush begins to dig into these murders, he discovers that these two murders are not isolated incidents. In fact, they're hundreds of transient murders on trains. And it's assumed that they just somehow got into violent fights with each other and wound up dead. But all of these cases are neglected by the police because of the they're because of the victims, quote unquote, high risk transient lifestyle.

And the detective sees in, you know, in these cases that he starts to find this secret police code written on many of them and H. I, which stands for no humans involved, which is what they found.

The LAPD wrote on a lot of the Grim Sleeper's victims when they go and the police decide that if you if you have a high risk lifestyle, if you're a sex worker, especially if you're a person of color or you're a transient, that's the nickname. And it's disgusting. So that's awful. Hey, everybody, how about you protect and serve and know that? Absolutely.

There's humans involved if it's a murder case anyway. Mm hmm. So Mike Quackenbush sees this and he's like, you can't just kill people just because they're transients. This is unacceptable. And he's like digging in. So he learns all he can about hobos and train ride or life. He checks out all the switching yards and he interviews the bulls, the railway workers and the riders themselves to get a feel for the culture and who the big players are in the community.

But among the most important pieces of information that he discovers is that there's a well known gang that rides the rails and they're called the Phedre. So the footrace down stands for Freight Train Riders of America, although there are those who would argue it originally stood for fuck the Reagan administration.

A man sister.

And so my mom is a posthumously belongs to that Train Riders Association.

Pat Kilgariff, Vice President LAWA The Fray was founded in the early 80s by a bunch of Vietnam veterans who'd come back from the war, found they couldn't fit back into quote unquote normal society, and they wanted to live their own way by riding the rails, fending for themselves and traveling all across America. And I watched this documentary and it was called Mug Shot. It was it was like a docu series that I'd never heard of before.

And it might have been Canadian because it's like just familiar enough to be like, what's this? I would have known this, but. Right. It is really good. And they had so much footage of people just standing on train cars as it as they go through like this, that beautiful scenery. Like, I could really see the appeal of doing this.

I mean, I'm fascinated by transient lifestyle and how you cope and how you not cope, but like how you thrive and how you survive and how you how that you know. Yeah. Why that life is so appealing to certain people. It's fascinating. It really is. And like what it actually takes, you know, there's all kinds of rules. You can't just get on any old train car. Yeah. You know, there's obviously very territorial. There's lots of things to look out for.

Like, it's it's fascinating. You know, there was a yeah. Now I can't remember if it was I think it was season two. Yeah, it was season two of Basket's and.

Yes. Oh my God. I wish I was just thinking about that and I couldn't remember what it was from but it's fucking basket ship start season two by hopping the rails and trying to become a train rider, a hobo and oh my God. Essentially ends up in jail. It's yeah. That's my favorite.

That's a great, great show. I watch basketball. Hey, you can binge baskets. There's Four Seasons.

I find it to be very quality writing a gorgeous show. OK, Garip.

So according to a long time hobo named Jerry the Frog Forton. And there's so many amazing, amazing names of these hobos who speak in this in the mugshot and they speak, they play songs. You know, it's a whole culture. It's it's fascinating. It almost reminds me a little like prison culture where it's like, here's what you have to do to get by. Yes, totally. Everyone knows what to do, you know. And the driving force in this culture is like the freedom.

It's like it's like you don't need to like you can do without having money.

How can you get by and how can you all. Together and help each other. How do you live off the grid? Yeah, exactly. So Gerry, the Frog Forten, who was named 1997 National Hobos Association's king of the hobos, I mean, he's this guy's legit high up. He's I he's up there. He says that the vets who formed the fray were just, quote, a bunch of guys who wanted to ride together.

Now other people say and obviously Jerry clearly is an expert and knows but there are other people who who say that it was always a violent gang and some say it was always a violent gang of white supremacists who banded together to steal from other hobos. Either way, it's now a network of criminals known for assaulting and even murdering their fellow drifters.

So in many cases, they assume they will attack someone, kill them, assuming their identity, and then commit, you know, fraud like welfare fraud for stealing, you know, getting food stamps under other people's names, other forms of theft. So and the thing is, because they're living a transient lifestyle, they can just commit a crime board, a train. They're out of town. There's no record of the travel. There's no actual identification. It's very difficult to track.

OK, so as Detective Quackenbush questions the train riders, he starts hearing about a very dangerous hobo who goes by the name of sidetrack and he meets a hobo.

He's actually able to meet a hobo who's able to describe what side track looks like.

And that hobo's name, if you will believe me, is Chuch Johnson, a choo choo choo choo choo Johnson.

OK, so Quackenbush, basically. So the way he gets into this investigation is he finds out the train that Michael Clydes body was found on and then he and then he follows the route of that train and he just visits every train, every rail yard, and that that train stopped at and all the encampments that surround those trail yards. And basically, he traveled all across the Pacific Northwest showing these victims photos to anybody who would talk to them. We'll talk to him and who might know them.

So finally, on his way back, he's in Eugene, Oregon. He finds a rail writer who says he saw Clydes wander off in search for meth's with another man who went by the name side track.

So while he's investigating this and on this kind of scavenger hunt all across the Pacific Northwest, following these train tracks, he gets calls from three different police officers, one in Utah, one in Kansas, another one in Montana. They're all working on their own transient murder cases, which took place in the past eight months involving the victim being bludgeoned to death. So they.

Yeah. So like a transient serial killer. Exactly. And in a way that if it wasn't, you know, like they're one offs in these other cities. Right.

But just by chance, in Oregon, there were two in a row. So they were like, oh, this isn't just there's this isn't just like train ride or justice or whatever. Like somebody is actually an argument, but, you know, yeah, it can't be rationalized. So Quackenbush asks those policemen, have they heard of a man named Sidetrack? They have not, but they have all heard of someone named Robert Silveira. So now Quackenbush believes he's look, he's possibly looking for two people sidetrack.

And then this guy, Robert Silveira, so he chases both of them for another year before he finally gets this really crucial break.

It's an afternoon of Saturday, March 2nd. Nineteen ninety six. And he gets a phone call from a security guard, a train yard security guard, a bull in Roseville, California. That bull tells the detective he was running a routine check in the Roseville train yard and came across a man with an outstanding warrant for a probation violation. And this man is thirty seven year old Robert Silveira. So Quackenbush travels down to the Plaza City Jail in Roseville to meet Silveira face to face.

But he's nothing like the violent, intimidating gang member that Quackenbush has people have been describing to him. Instead, this man's calm, polite, soft spoken. But when Quackenbush Silveira, if he goes by any other names, when he rides the rails, Silvera says, yeah, they call me sidetrack. So now he knows that you are actually one man and then Silveira starts spilling it. OK, so he openly admits that he is a member of the IRA and that he's a heroin addict who stole from other hobos to get drug money, basically.

But then he immediately confesses to the murders of William Petit Jr. and Michael Kite's. And, yeah, just immediately says and as he does, he seems relieved and he tells Quackenbush that he just wants to get it all off his chest and that he's, quote, glad he got caught because he would. Continued to kill and then he immediately confesses to six more killings. I wonder if he, like, wanted to be in prison like one of those guys who just like like wants to be in prison.

I mean, it seems to me because he clearly was a very bad heroin addict. And I bet you he was so strung out and like, the way he was living was so crazy. I mean, you know, it sounds like it sounds like he wasn't a psychopath or sociopath like he was doing. He in his mind, he was justifying what he's doing to, like, get by. But it really was affecting him. And the drugs weren't, like making all that hideous guilt go away.

And that's all that's completely editorializing on my conjecture, Your Honor, allegedly. So as far as Silveira spills his guts, he mentions that the police that he killed someone in Albany, California, which is the East Bay. This prompts the police to contact another officer who's named William Palmiotti, who's in Albany, and he'd been investigating the murder of a homeless Vietnam, that 15 year old James McClain, and that had taken place near train tracks in Albany in 1995.

So the timeline that Silvera gives Paul Moeny when Paul Meaney interviews him matches up to this murder of James McClain.

And as Paul Mooney continues to talk to Silveira and get it, get stuff out of him, the soft spoken man admits that in the last 14 years, he's killed dozens of people across twenty eight states. Oh, my God. Yeah. So Robert Silvera is indicted for the murders of William Petit Jr. and Michael Crites in March 1996 in Salem, Oregon, in January of 1998. He pleads guilty to both murders, avoiding trial and potential the potential for receiving the death penalty.

He's given two life sentences without the possibility of parole and then in February of 1998 was extradited to Kansas, where he pleads guilty to a third murder, that of rail writer Charles Randall Boyd. And in Kansas, he gets a twenty five year sentence. And then in May of nineteen ninety eight, he's extradited to Florida, where he pleads guilty to the murder of rail rider Willie Clark. Silveira continues to serve his life sentences in Oregon, where he will remain for the rest of his life.

Yeah, and so basically, they've they've gotten him on the murders that they investigated and that they that there were cops that were paying attention to and that we're chasing down. Amazing. But there's tons more that just no one would ever like would have ever known about. And he didn't say it himself. And that detective Detective William Paul from from Albany, he actually partnered up with a writer named Tonya Chalupa, and they wrote a book called Murder on the Rails.

And it's all about the like details about the story and the other crimes that Silvera committed during all of his years riding the rails as a hobo all across America.

And that, wow, is the story of the boxcar killer. Fuck, dude. Yeah. Isn't that nuts?

That's such a world that like you can't even fathom from your home, you know, you're sitting in your home and that this is what life is and it's just unfathomable.

And then someone going around on top of all of it fucking killing people.

And they wouldn't have known if he hadn't confessed, you know. Right. It would have all been unsolved, hadn't confessed.

Right. Well, and, you know, I think that it's the it's the idea of like when you think about, like hobos, it's so positive and up and like, oh, they like to do that. They're happy to be where they are, which is what is a part of it, I think is like it's the choice to be away from normal society and being like, I'm I'm going away from that and doing this. But yeah, that's this is the this is the dark side of that.

This is that, you know, when you when you go off the grid, you you don't it's not the you know, you don't belong to this fraternity of other you know, there's a whole faction of people off the grid who are doing so, who don't want to follow any of society's rules that aren't in place to keep you safe. And being strung out on drugs makes you do things you ordinarily would never do. And this is almost like the most extreme version of that, where it's like you just have to get that next fix.

So you'll just steal whatever from whoever and you kind of rationalize it. Awful, crazy. Good job.

Thank you. Let's do some fucking array's.

I think we all need them right now, right? Yeah. Send us your fucking trays of people or you doing positive things in the world. It's really helpful. All right. You want to start? Sure. Let's see. First one here is from 2:00 a.m. to. And they said, my fucking her, that I just got my first ever article accepted by a national newspaper here in New Zealand, I'm a supermarket worker and I wrote the article about the effect of Bulc and panic buying as seen through the eyes of a checkout operator.

Oh, my God.

Amazing. That is the cool. That's so amazing. You know what? That's a really important point. Like, this is a very stressful time and this is a very crazy time. But it's also something that no one's ever gone through before. If you even have the slightest interest in writing, you should absolutely be keeping a journal bee, keeping a diary right. Every single day, write all your feelings, write what happens, what you see. It's you should absolutely be doing it.

I feel like there's so many people that I say to them, I want to fucking hear I want to read her memoir. It's those kinds of people are like, tell me everything. What is your fucking life like? Yes, that's incredible. But especially people who are working in grocery stores. They are really my friend Jason. Hi, Jason. Who listens to all everything we do, I guess. And he is on the front lines. He works in a grocery store in Portland.

And he all he is he's just like I I've never he's like, I just want to work in a grocery store. I never thought I was going to be like a emergency personnel. And he's like, no, but it's actually fine because people are he's like, first of all, if you are old or know people who are old, almost every grocery store has insta carts. And you should get old people to learn how to use insta cart and have their groceries delivered.

Almost every grocery store has that. Jim and Marty. Jim, God it.

Stay home and listen to you, God damn it. Yeah, that's amazing. I have a similar one.

This is from Ali Mac thirty from Instagram. My fucking her is my dad. He's not in health care but works as a grocery store and to be honest, is no spring chicken. But he's been taking every opportunity has to work and restock shelves as fast as possible for those that need supplies. During the shutdowns, our health care workers definitely deserve a ton of appreciation and applause, but so do those who are working in essential areas to keep people cared for during the pandemic.

That's exactly right. Yeah, I walked into the grocery store this morning is a I hadn't been for two weeks and I needed to get some stuff. And right as I walked in, somebody got on the loudspeaker and was like, we just want to thank all of our hardworking employees and like the manager, whatever, made a little speech.

And then everybody stopped and clapped in the store. And I went I went, whoa, just because I got into it.

And the lady behind the deli counter started laughing so hard, I was just like, this is all this is what people need.

People need to understand that other people get what they're sacrificing.

We need to I need to cheer for the people on the front lines, the health care, the fucking doctors, the nurses, the, you know, administration. We need we need to celebrate them right now because it's so terrifying.

Hey, hey. All today, day ten of self isolation, quarantine. I got a phone call that I was accepted into medical school. I was literally laying in bed when I got it. And it's the best call I've ever received in my life. Sorry, family. This was my second round applying the fourth school I had interviewed at initially my fourth wait list and finally my first acceptance. I've wanted to be a doctor since I was 12 years old and it's finally happening for me.

Hope y'all are having a good day, Dorothy. Congratulations, Dorothy. Hurry up.

I think graduation uncredible.

This is from Nike does stuff my fucking right. I work in an animal shelter and pre quarantine. And during if we're being honest, we were placing animals into foster homes. We now officially have to close our doors to the public for now. But we managed to get over three hundred and twenty five out of our shelter this past week, most of those having been in the past three days swg come and rescue animals.

Okay. Wow.

And it's true. You guys, they're closing shelters, but these animals are still coming in. This isn't stopping. If you ever thought about adopting a cat, a kitten or dogs or whatever the fuck, now is an amazing time to do it. Even if she isn't a foster during the quarantine, it's badly needed right now.

Yes, for sure. Oh, this is good. This starts huge fucking IRA. I'm a FedEx driver, and with businesses closing, we are running out of places to wash our hands and use the toilet. Residents in my area have been renting portable toilets for US drivers because they know our predicament and how insanely busy we are currently PSR. I've only peed my pants once in the last three years and that's from Aleksic.

That's incredible. People are getting together to rent porta potties for four drivers.

We have a chance right now to be humanitarian. Yes, that's right. Are we going to take or are we going to take it or are we going to be? Selfish pieces of shit who buy all the bread and Pyrrho and like, you can decide which way you want to be, what's your life like? It's a movie and figure out what you want this this part to look like because you absolutely are in charge of it. And I tell you what, you get out there and you give of yourself and you give four other people an amazing thing comes back to you when I'm not drunk, am I?

There's also a lesson to be learned about being kind to yourself right now and also caretaking. And you don't you know, I'm in the mode of like, what do I have to accomplish something during this? Or else I'm a loser. And it's like you don't have to just take care of yourself. And this one is about that. Is it my turn? Yep. OK, this is from Emerg Morgan in Michigan. Any this is from Morgan Annie, my fucking Ray is that I'm super lactose intolerant and typically avoid dairy altogether.

But now that I'm not going anywhere and won't be around people for the next few weeks, I'm living my best lactose filled life.

God, I miss cheese, so take care of yourself, too. You can't help other people if you're a fucking mess, you know what I mean?

Yes, that's you can help people when you've got your shit together, right? You have to put your own oxygen mask on first. And for me for me today, you know that what that involved cracking open one of those tubes of Grande's biscuits and baking up biscuits. And then I just eat a biscuit with some jelly on it and drink tea.

And I was like, oh, and you know how I got the idea?

Because April Richardson came to visit and when she lives in London now she lives in England now. And when she went to fly back, she flew back with like twelve tubes of of biscuits because they don't have them over there.

And I texted her, I texted her a picture of the baked biscuits. I'm like, this is your fault. And I'm like, why am I eating this? And she's like, every day is Thanksgiving during a pandemic.

It's true. It's true. All bets are off.

All bets are off. It's fuckin I mean, put a put a drink a shake every now and then the green shake. But otherwise. Yeah. Take your vitamins, take your your vitamins, your vitamin D. Oh yeah. I was thinking about how I'm going to come out of this pandemic with incredible skin because I'm not going in the sun, but I'm going to be severely depressed because I'm not getting enough sun. Yeah. You've got to get that vitamin D, you can take it in pill form.

Yeah, totally. Echinacea take all your things that build up immunity, please. Vitamin B, take some turmeric and you know, it's all important. How about some fish oil? OK, what if we just start naming vitamins back and forth for the next full hour? Why don't why don't you like our podcast? What's the problem with it? Let's start a podcast where we just name vitamins.

OK, well I'll go ahead and say vitamin A. Hello, pets and friends. As many of you know, there's a serious mask shortage in health care right now. In fact, I am allowed one mask per day that I wear the entire shift. I'm getting bruises and scars from wear, from wearing wear masking that I don't that don't fit and just spending sixteen hours in them. So that's a I don't know if you've seen that, but there's pictures of Italian doctors and they have really bad bruising and scars in a mask shape and the goggles shape because they don't fit, but they just have to put them on their face anyway.

OK, so this is my job and I'm happy to do it. And I love caring for people. Most of the people I'm caring for aren't even here for Caronna, just sick. Just as I was getting desperate enough to think about buying a pack on eBay of the properly fitting masks, my parents church ended up finding 16000 masks on on pallets like off a truck from a grocery store that they were they were buying, trying to get perishables to people without jobs.

But they found sixteen thousand mass and selected my hospital to be one of the receivers. So it might not be the biggest fucking hurry. But you know what? Fucking her health care workers need light, encouragement and community. And this made me sob uncontrollably. We found and donated sixteen thousand masks. Thanks for all you do. Stay sexy and wash your hands, Monica. Oh my God. Yeah, people are people are being fucking heroic right now.

Yeah, they're doing they're doing lots of good. Lots of good. Yeah.

I'm so impressed and moved and touched and this is incredible. It's beautiful. This is unprecedented. The time.

Where can I close it up now. Yes. This is unprecedented. It's an unprecedented time. It's the time we're going to tell our grandchildren about if they'll listen to us and.

Yeah, yeah, what do you think it's I mean, it's yeah, we just unders, just stay in reality, stay in the here and now and know that everybody is scared. We're all together in the stress and fear and unknowing.

That's the thing that's going to get us through it is that we're all together and there's people out there buying porta potties for truck drivers because they understand and care. There's people who really care and there's more people who care than people who need to hoard shit because they're not working their stuff out correctly.

So to remember that this and this is a time this isn't a time to ignore your depression or to ignore your issues, continue to talk on the phone with your therapist. You can still find one right now if you need to. There's therapists. This isn't the time to pause that. No, not at all. I'm sure a lot of people who have eating disorders are going through some shit right now, too. It's not a time to ignore that.

So, you know, keep working on that. Be kind to yourself. That's that's the whole idea is like, look, this is the one thing that's also helping with his perspective, because all the things that we thought used to matter, they really don't. What matters now is staying alive, staying healthy and listening to doctors and experts, people who know what they're talking about and treat is treating this thing like the scary thing that it is and not pretending that it's not it's not going to help anybody keep other people healthy by staying home.

One hundred percent and we'll be here for you every every week. All right.

Well, then stay sexy and don't get murdered by Elvis. Do you want a cookie?