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This is exactly right. Hello, hello and welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hartzer, thank you. That's Karen Kilgore. You're welcome. We are proud to be here with you this week. I'm talking about true crime, talking about whatever the fuck we want. Yeah, maybe I will recommend a book or two for your pleasure, but maybe we'll have an anecdote about a wonderful thing.


Maybe there's correction corners up the wazoo always and forever. Should I kick off with the emergency correction corner? Oh, shit. I didn't know we had one. This is an emergency. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. OK, what did what did we do? Well, we can actually blame it on home, Jim, because.


Oh, yeah. Fuck, this is an emergency. It's an emergency. You cannot put out a grease fire with flour. You cannot now been listening. Or if you have it, please don't try to put out. OK, we've been giving false information, dangerous, falsely spreading lies. Apparently my dad's been retired long enough from the San Francisco Fire Department that he doesn't know how to put fires out anymore. I think it's sad you think it's funny or whatever, but we've got I got lots and lots of tweets with people who are related to firemen who are sitting next to one at the time who here's just my favorite, just went to kindergarten and learned some basics.


Learn a bit.


Well, but I never I always just thought it was a I was happy to take his information and be like, this is what I also have already known. This is the way families grow up ignorant.


If Tom Jim doesn't know, then who among us is to know? But I do I will defend him by saying that he did do that thing where he said, I think so. And I maybe that was the flower that was getting it. But that's all you can expect on my favorite murder is a solid. I think so with a question mark at the end, we're setting you, the listener, up to help us. We need you to help us.


We're trying to get you to participate. This is an interactive podcast. This is a Choose Your Own Adventure podcast. This is an intervention podcast where someone's going to walk in and say, enough is enough. Here are your stoves on fire. Your show is burning down. Don't you care? And then that's when George and I grab Adam's and run into the sea. So, yeah, only use salt, baking soda or a wet towel if you're even going to attempt to put out a grease fire.


Obviously, fire extinguisher is your best bet, but those are hard to use. Someone told me I read online too, that those like there's a green bottle, one that's specifically for grease fires and then the red ones are for firefighters. They like they they might cause the same problem I had. You know what you're saying? Stop making bacon and fucking around and start making your favorite murder podcasters, your firefighters, your information about and stop being mad because I pose as a firefighter and then get mad at you when I give you the wrong information, stop giving us good information.


We're going to fight it every step of the way. Well, that's going away. So hopefully we cleared that up for you.


Let's look at everyone right now. Look up ways to put out fires. You know how to get red wine out of a dress. You should also know how to put out different kinds of fires. How about this? It's all salt. The answer, salt for everything. It's getting red wine out of a dress. It's putting out fires. It's rubbing into wounds. Whatever you make in your food. Delicious. My favorite thing was people sending me pictures of other people's notes from their phone, like it literally, or like a part of a Facebook post where I'm like, could we get a source on this?


If if my dad's not sure, why should I believe your iPhone note just has a written list that's still not a better source. OK, here's another listener generated piece of advice of safety advice randomly that I was going to read and it kind of goes along with it. So on Instagram, someone whose name is a underscore null, if they were doing it like a deep Reddit dove about the Delphi murders, which I covered a while back, and the piece of advice they gave is apparently you can set up your phone so that if you push the power button twice and said it's probably different depending on your phone, but there's a phone on a button on everyone's phone, and if you press it, the phone will take a picture of what's in front of you, behind you and a five second video, and then all of that will get sent to your emergency contact.


So, like, if you're my emergency contact, you'll know I'm in distress. It will send you that information. So you have it in case something goes wrong. And that's an app or that's already on the it's already a feature of your phone, which I want to try, but I'm not going to. And I guess you probably have to set up a timer. Stephen's laughing. This is just total bullshit. No, I have never heard of this before.


Stephen is. It's a creepy pasta safety tip. Let's do it, but I don't think I have anyone set up as an emergency contact, so I don't know if it'll work. What if it just sends it to my ex? Because I haven't said I know it's going to say it's a real. I was just like, who would my emergency contact? That's a sad moment in your life. Yeah, but would you come over like three a.m. now would be like she must have sat on her phone and spent check.


I try to call you. She's not picking up. I'm just going to.


But it's like I'm going to make I make my neighbor, my neighbor that I just met recently, my emergency contact, be my best friend and my emergency contact.


Can you pick me up at the airport?


Yeah, but let's I think that finding out your emergency settings on your phone is probably a really good thing now. It's a good thing.


So maybe we go into speaking of emergency settings of safety, lots of lots and lots of people. We all went into this this week. This was something that happened on the Internet. And I don't think no one missed it. No, not one person missed it and not one person didn't send it to me. Samantha Heart. So is her name on Tector, who felt wind blowing from behind her mirror? Yeah, took her mirror down only to discover there was an opening her medicine cabinet behind her.


Yeah, her medicine cabinet mirror, right? Yeah. Takes it off the wall in her apartment. Her her roommates watch her go laughingly. Good job. So she goes through the wall and there's an entire empty apartment hidden and she starts walking in it and mind you and this is the thing that like I was talking with with my friends last night about she it wasn't like a space where she could, like, just kind of bend down and go annegret.


Yeah. It was like she had to contort herself to go through the mirror. Well, and then was walking freely around an apartment, the contents of which she did not know. Yeah.


A huge looked like abandoned apartment. But here's the thing. I knew that that was a thing. They build them like that because my sister used to live in this house like old. You know, I think it was like just pre-war apartment in Culver City and had that same issue because every morning the person who who shared a wall with her, they would be getting they would be getting ready on either side of the medicine cabinet. And then there would just be you could see them.


There would be like a little gap. And then they'd sometimes make eye contact. The smallest gap you could see a sliver of each other's eyes and they'd both be getting ready. And then there would just be this awkward moment of like, do you acknowledge that we're basically roommates right now? Yeah. And you could yeah. Just take out the mirror and go to each other's apartments. You're not safe anywhere. There's nowhere you're safe. It's a the idea that with a big smile on her face and like with ticktock in her heart, she went into a question mark space and then kind of just fucked around.


When she went down those stairs, I was like, yes, this is not going to end well. Now, you think what I love about the safety of ticktock, but yes. No, no. And she but she did lock that door when she got down to the bottom. This is like a this is a tick tock recap podcast. But everybody is congratulating Samantha because you were the character of the week on Twitter and not in a bad way in and out, like in a way, wherever you are all scared for you.


We were there with you. You're very brave. I thought I was very proud. But at the same time, why are you doing so well? Emma's not enough. A hammer's not.


And I don't know if you're going to go into a space like that because it could be like there's going to be a squatter. There is like stop filming me and angry. The Blair Witch could be there with her back turned in the corner. Right. And then you're like, wait, there's someone in the corner with their back turn. And the curious thing is, are man ma'am, are you okay?


I'm the girl from tech to the end. She comes back, her eyes are weird. She starts eating her roommate for her. I'm happy for her and good for her. If she does, I'm happy for her. I'm so happy. Congratulations, Samantha. Congratulations, man. New York Post picked up your story. It's pretty sweet. It was a it was a good one. And it was like it was really she just was basically like, you know what?


We're in quarantine. Yeah. This is happening to me. I'm going to create some content for all of us. Yeah. And up she did it. We love an Internet success story. You love a viral ticktock success story.


That's I hear she's getting a DIY show on HDTV. Now, I got Samantha on our hammer. I love it. OK, what else? Well, I made a chicken hole. Yes, didn't I show you congratulations. I texted you this picture right now as it did and boasted it was roasted. The Barefoot Contessa taught me how and I made a tweet in it. But honestly, because my sister, any time I asked my sister to do something, she's like, just look up on it.


And she knows how to make everything. She's just there's always videos like this Luras advice across the board. I agree with her. Yes. And then there's chicken roasting video. She's the best. It starts with Einiger and looking in the camera and going, I could do this in my sleep. I was like, whoever. So I said, that's hilarious. Did you see the tweet, you know, literally, or I did that quote and wrote Yes, Bitch, and then proceeded to watch the video truly like 10 times because she's so good at it and soothing.


And it really was so simple that cheap butter under the skin, which is the grossest thing to do, but it really does make it better. Does she do that? She we based at the top of the skin. We didn't do underneath, but my mom used to do that to the Thanksgiving turkey. Yeah. She big pats of butter under me. Yeah. Definite in there with her long fingernails shoving like butter and spice my skin.


Don't do that. Well she had clean hands. Oh my God. I'm sure she did. I just I didn't mean to insinuate your mother was filthy.


Hey, OK. Here's my chicken final form. It was really fun and easy to check that up.


Who cares? And this makes you honorary Jew. Really? Why? Because we Jews are great roasted chicken. This is like. Is that true? Uh huh. Look at you. Even tied up with little legs.


I found some string in my drawer that I saved like a weird little pack. And I was like, I have twine. Is that cauliflower? Hell, yes.


Well, those are innovative. That's all the vegetables I had. I didn't have any good vegetables, so I just threw onions and cauliflower. It's all you need. It's beautiful. I wish I could have some right now. Thank you. I have some. The only problem is that I now have. I'm living in chicken. It's ridiculous. It's everywhere all the time. But it used to it seemed so intimidating for so long. And I think it's just one of the side effects of quarantine, which I am grateful for, which is I put aside all of my cooking negative.


Yeah. And just started actually doing it. Like, who cares if you mess it up, but you're here anyway.


Yeah, well good. I didn't make advancements made corned beef and cabbage. What we're all about the slow cooker in the house. Good night. Should bust that out. Oh I got an air fryer because you guys all told me I had to get one, but I haven't used it yet. But fuck. And they're all the rage and people really love those things. Those air fires, apparently. I'll try anything. This is just after. It's not really a correction because this was more the way this listener let me know about this, really felt more like a celebration.


Plus their name on Twitter is Mad Max Motorino. Great. And they said. Almost peed my pants listening to today's episode, when you talk about Yaara gradually going up against that detector Inspective, that's what I said.


No. Oh, yes. But that's when I get really excited because you know, that thing you do when you're talking and thinking at the same time, you're like, oh, what's the word I'm about to say? Because in England, they don't call them, you know, this. And then I'm like, what do they call them? I watch so much British. You know what they call them. Yeah. And then, of course, that's what I say.


She played it about six times. Right. Sounded good to me, played it back six times to make sure I wasn't just mentally fatigued. Thank you for the joy of spoken word. Dyslexia is real. And then she hashtag it me. And we know that because it happens quite frequently when you do a podcast. Well, I feel like five years when you have. Yeah. When you're five years of yourself recorded, there's going to be a lot.


And, you know, I have some classic ones that I still use to this day, that legendary, legendary. So it's going to happen and. Well, what's the big one? I can't think of right now even what was it we call that episode? Oh, proclivity for constant city. That's like I now use. It works. It works. And honey, it just I refuse to admit that it's wrong. Oh, I have a couple pieces of news.


Oh. What is is that are it things in the news. Oh one of them you might have sent me. Oh you did that.


The Kendrick Johnson case that I covered. Steven, if you can find out what episode that was and I covered it where the young high school boy was found dead, rolled in a gym mat at his school and it was ruled accidental. I don't have a lot of information, but it's being reopened. It was 2013 and the case is being reopened, which was like all his parents wanted because there were some issues with other kids at school that he was fighting with.


There was some missing time on the surveillance camera at school. And it's and then some like evidence burned. So it was really suspicious. So even if they just look into it and found that there was wrongdoing in the way that it was investigated, you know, I think, you know, for that's just least. Yes. Just the idea that it's being like just everything's being analyzed. Yeah, that is very good to hear that one. Was that Steven?


It was in April of twenty twenty and it was episode two sixteen, April 2nd.


Awesome. Thank you. Yeah. So we'll keep our eye out for more information on that. Oh then did you send Stephen sent us this that Elizabeth Banks is set to direct the bear centric thriller about the cocaine there. Yes. Yeah. Oh yeah. Happy it's happening I think today I got fifty tweets about, OK, I'm not on Twitter, so I don't see this. Yeah, cool. What else do you have anything in that. Well, John, I just finished a book and I want to brag because I finished a book.


Adulations. Look, it's not I have a hard time. No, I mean it. I literally drag my finger along like like that little two year old girl. Oh, yeah. So the the author, Elena Ferrante, who wrote My Brilliant Friend, which is a series on, I believe, HBO. Yeah. She has a new book called The Lying Life of Adults. And I loved my my lovely friend, Jamie Phillipine, who is what I used to call my normal friend.


I guess she wasn't a stand up comic and she wasn't in show business. And she's been my friend for a long time. And she just sent me this book and she's like, I got it. And I'm like, wait, I got this weird book. And then she texted me and she's like, I just finished.


I think you're going to like it. It was just like one of those things like, I love surprise, surprise. Quarantine gifts is the best feeling. Yeah. It's a teenage girl who's who's changing over from being kind of an innocent only child where her to parents like it's just this family that she is regular and she goes through an adolescence thing. But it's kind of that thing of like as you grow up as a girl and you get an idea in your head about yourself, and then you start acting based on this trust that you've made up about yourself.


Is it current day? Yes, I believe so, yes. Yeah. It's funny. I'm reading a similar book about a young woman, a growing young woman who's coming into herself. What's it called?


It's OK. It's called The Book of Longings, and it's by Sue Monk kid who I've mentioned before, beautiful, poetic writer. She wrote The Invention of Wings and the Secret Life of Bees. So this one is about a young woman coming into her adulthood, but it takes place in the first century in Israel. Oh, and she's going to be like fuckin given away in the. Marriage, but she's so smart and worldly and like learning about God, she's Jewish and she this is a spoiler, but not really because it's what it's about.


Shmeat cute. She meets a boy who's, like, under her in class, like in her class ranking. But he is an outcast from his town of Nazareth, where he's from. They mean they can have a meat cue and fall in love. And his name is Jesus.


It's so I was not expecting because I was like, I'm just going to not even read the I'm just going to listen to it because I love her right to my kids writing. And then I was like, hold on. His mother's name is Mary. Hold on. Like, I didn't figure that is the Ultimo beautiful.


And I you know, I've not it was it's really lovely and heartfelt and. Yeah, right. That's great.


So this is this the title of this book is Jesus's First Girlfriend, Jesus's First Love. It's called The Book of Longings. It's called Who I Was Seeing at the time. You know what people do that were like my girlfriend. They're telling your story and they're like my girlfriend at the time. I get it. It's not now because I think people are like now coming out like Jesus had a wife. That's a good thing. How dare you, I may be morally wrong.


Maybe you don't, but I'm putting grease fire. I'm putting flour on the grease fire.


Your religion is the perfect. No, no, no. You know, you're thinking of that. You're right. But you're thinking of my favorite book ever written, The Da Vinci Code, Mary Magdalene, that Mary Magdalene was Jesus's wife in there, that the that the Ark of the Covenant, not the Ark of the Covenant. The Noah's Ark. Holy Grail. Sorry. Yeah. The Holy Grail is actually Jesus child that. Oh, that's that that it's a symbol.


Whatever. So basically there's a there's a bloodline of Jesus's family on earth. OK, is the. All right. Well, I don't know anything about that. Well, I would love for you to watch De Vinci Code one and two with me. Is it really it's just we'll just take a journey through Tom Hanks making terrible hair decision.


All right. Uh, I have another OK. I have another book recommendation, but I took this one from our friend of the family, Rachel McCarthy. James, who is the coauthor of my favorite favorite book, The Man from the Train. If you haven't read the man from the train and you like true crime, it is stop yelling at me. A mind blowing. I just want to reread it. But she just recommended a book. So this is actually a not a recommendation.


But I'm this is the book I'm picking to read after this because I just finished the other one. And alternate Ellen Green is is a writer, a very accomplished writer. He wrote a it's a true crime book called Last Call A True Story of Love, Lust and Murder in Queer New York. And it's the story of the last call killer. That's right.


For the nineties. Yeah. Yes. And I cannot wait to read it. It's that the reviews are amazing. And Rachel McCarthy, James recommended it today on Twitter and was basically like, this is going to be amazing, but then did a thing which we always love. She linked it to her local independent bookstore.


So if you can buy books from independent bookstores when you're buying your new book, do that beautiful best move you can do.


I love that. This corner completely provided by Rachel McCarthy Jesus lifted entirely from her Twitter feed.


But with credit, yes, but with credit. And then I still need to read the man from the from the train or around the train. In the train. On the train. From from. Yeah, he's from that train. Hey choo choo. He killed everybody. Choo choo and stab acts. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.


Like she would do a little news. A little business.


Hey let's do a little exactly right corner because we have a business, a growing business, a startup, some would say a startup. And you know, when people in the tech industry are going to see it a good idea, they always combine the combine elements, which is what we did on. Do you need a ride? Oh, it's do you need a ride? This week has banana boy Kurt Braunohler. It's a fun, great episode where we chatted nonstop.


Obviously you're forced to, but we liked it. We had a great time. We laughed our asses off. OK, so that's a crossover. And then lady to lady, the podcast on Exactly Right Network has a friend of the family Fortune theme start on who's just incredible talent. If you haven't watched her special, her comedy special Sweet and Salty, you're missing out. So that's all in the family. That's one. Yes. And over. And I saw what you did, of course.


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Goodbye. OK, all right, so I'm going this week and I got this we've got this info. Speaking of exactly right, Aaron Brown, our social media manager, who I've known for a very long time, she wrote, you know, what she does in her little bio and then said that the way she got into your crime was when she was little and saw the made for TV movie of this story. And I never heard of it. So I went and found it.


And I'm going to do the story of Teresa Saldana. Oh, my God. I figured you'd know all about it.


Also, this made for TV movie was I think I probably saw it when I was I bet you it's like 14, 15. I think she said she saw when she was eight and then.


Yeah. Oh yeah. Mine. So it's unbelievable. Yeah. So I had never I didn't know the story at all. So I went down this rabbit hole of it. I got the information from an article by Sharon Lin Prewett for Oxygen, Khail, Haberfeld for Goliath Sherrell Eddie for Gizmodo. Diane Klein for YPO. Andrew Limbong for NPR. Carol Baker for UPI. The Shade Room taken by Christina Calaway, New York Times and Wikipedia. And I also watched the made for TV movie, of course, which you can find on YouTube.


So Theresa Saldana is born August 20th in 1954 in Brooklyn. At just five days old, she's adopted by Davina and Toni Saldana. At 12 years old, she starts taking acting classes and she is good. She lands a handful of off Broadway plays as she grows and then starts to book small roles on TV shows and in films.


And then her career grows and she starts seriously attracting notice after she's cast in the 1978 Beatlemania film. I want to hold your hand.


Did you see that now? Well, it's not the original. It's like it was like a made for TV movie thing, just like a TV movie about Beatlemania. Yeah, yeah. But then in early in the early 80s, so she starts landing significant roles and she's getting bigger and bigger, including in the revenge thriller Defiance in which she plays a nice girl in a tough neighborhood. And then her career takes a giant step forward when she's cast in the Martin Scorsese film Raging Bull, a fucking classic.


She plays Joe Pacis wife, Lenore LaMotta, who's also the sister in law of Robert De Niro's character. So these are big roles with big up and coming actors. That's like I'm sure she's stoked. I mean, this is yeah, we're going into Peak Scorsese area where he had been. Know, I bet you when she got that part enraged, yes, she was fucking yeah party, she partied. She went out for some like some champagne with her friends.


Yeah, that would have been a really big deal. I mean, obviously with those actors and that director. Yeah, that's I mean, and he always casts like he seems like he keeps the same actors in his like wheelhouse. So I'm sure she was like, this is it. These two films bring her career success. But unfortunately, they also bring the attention of a 47 year old drifter living in Aberdeen, Scotland, named Arthur Richard Jackson.


Unbeknownst to Theresa Jackson's stock, Saldanha for 18 months. And he even hires a private investigator to find out her personal information. He's able to get the unlisted phone number of her mother and then he calls her mom, pretending to be Martin Scorsese's assistant and tells the mom, who, of course, you know, I think in New York still they have no idea about the business, tells her what she doesn't understand how it works, that there should be there'd be no reason why the assistant that just the way it came out, though, is in New York.


They don't know shit about business. So it's like I don't know, I feel like that's one of those cities where there's a sure. You understand. You know, I'm guessing they live in the suburbs, in the major snow mix in New York.


They don't know how a business works on Broadway. What do they know from Martin Scorsese?


They don't know how that's typical of his work. The phones, they don't know phones. So let's show them. So the mom gets the call. And in the movie, she's like a typical mom, New York mom. It's not like, you know, she would know about these things that Martin Scorsese, his assistant, wouldn't be calling the mom to be like, hey, can I get the phone number and address of Teresa? There's this script that Martin Scorsese needs filled right away, like how you talk about it's an emergency and that's tricks people into doing things they wouldn't normally do to rush you.


You have to do it right now. My official I'm important right here. Right? They're shooting a film in Europe. They need actress replacement right away. What's Teresa's phone number? So she gives this man Theresa's phone number. And in an interview with Larry King, Theresa Saldana later says, As soon as I got the call from my mom because the mom was like, I think I did, I think I fucked up immediately. As soon as she got off the call with her mom, her manager, Selma Rubin, called a minute later to tell her that she had been getting some weird calls, too, and it appeared to be from the same person.


And so then Teresa says, I called the police, but at that time, they didn't have themselves on the alert for things like this. They thought it was just nothing. They thought it was a fan. Just a fan. Yeah. So not to try to get your phone number right, it's.


Well, and also I was kind of thinking it's that thing, this kind of stuff where it's like predatory behavior and it's definitely red flags. And it's the kind of thing when you read these stories all the time, talk about these stories. This is the stuff that you watch. And it always leads up to a thing that, you know, is coming. And it just would be great if, like, the authorities would adjust to that instead of it being like, sorry, we can't do anything.


Yeah, just like that. This isn't normal phone calls. I mean, this specific tone area, they wouldn't be able to do anything. But it is that kind of thing. Well, go ahead. Yeah, I'll tell you all about it. So meanwhile, the sky Jackson scraped together enough money to head to the United States, the United States with his intent being to find Theresa Saldana. So on March 15th, nineteen eighty two in the middle of the day, as Theresa she's now twenty seven years old.


She leaves her West Hollywood apartment to go to a music class, and she's approached by a man that she doesn't know. And she's already on high alert because of these phone calls. The man politely asks her the middle of broad fucking day in her neighborhood. Excuse me, are you Theresa Saldana? As soon as Theresa replies yes, Jackson immediately pulls out a five and a half inch hunting knife and starts stabbing Theresa.


He stabs her ten times in the chest, the arms and the legs, using enough force that he bends the blade and punctures one of her lungs. Twenty three people witnessed the attack. That's how brazen it is. It's not even like he's trying to be secretive at all, like he knows just out. And that's not to be this person. But the in the TV movie, that's the thing that's very upsetting that I remember the most is people are standing there screaming.


Yeah, like what? Right. Like there's like it's it's crazy. It's like it's just so bizarre. It's like something that yeah.


There's no for there's no forethought to it. There's no it's like this predator. Exactly how you said so. Twenty three people witness, including a passing deliveryman named Jeff Fenn at CNN. He hears Theresa screams.


He stops his truck and runs to her aid. He bites Jackson off and holds him until the police arrive. Like, what a frickin hero hero. Not that the other people aren't like we're going to do anything, but like, you know, jumping in. It's like it's just that's that's first responder vibe of a person that not just anyone can do it total. Just anyone has that. It's like we talk about flight or fight or whatever, and that's a person who is just like I go in instinctual.


Exactly. So the paramedics take Theresa to nearby Cedars Sinai Hospital, and by this time her heart has actually stopped and she's rushed into the E.R. where she gets heart and lung surgery and twenty six pints of blood, which miraculously saved her life.


And she needs a four month hospital stay in order to recover from the whole ordeal, which is like motto's you how fucking detrimental it was to her body. Yeah.


Boorman's Mm hmm. Meanwhile, Jackson is convicted itemizing to go through the whole fuckin trial, but he's convicted of attempted murder and inflicting great bodily injury. But he's only sentenced to 12 years in prison, which is the maximum sentence in the early 80s in California for these crimes. So while he's in prison, Jackson continues to threaten Sadhana. He sends a letter to a Heraldo producer and details his plan to, quote, assassinate her, saying, quote, I am capable of alternating between sentiment and savagery, romance and reality.


So he's got he's definitely, you know, evaluated psychologically and there are huge glaring issues with his mental health. The same month he writes another letter saying that Soldotna telling her she's marked for death. So he's basically given free access from the prison to continue to harass and threaten her. Despite his vicious attack and conviction, he's still able to send out these letters unchecked by nineteen eighty nine, just seven years into his sentence for attempted murder. Jackson's already scheduled for parole and will be let off on good behavior despite the fact that he continues to send these letters and to Theresa and other news outlets throughout his entire sentence.


And he refuses psychiatric counseling treatment while in prison and confesses while incarcerating to murdering a man during a a London bank robbery two decades earlier. Apparently, good behavior includes those things. Which is just so absurd, like say what it's really for is that you don't give a shit, you know what I mean? Well, also just that kind of thing where this isn't we're not talking about the average inmate here. It's a person who, like, stalked and then victimized a woman and went to jail for him to to murder.


Yeah. And continues to victimize a woman and continues to promise harm to her and the like. And how about some parole? Like Havemeyer, it doesn't. Assaulting the point of parole is proving you have been rehabilitated. So I don't get how I don't get. But this is also from the 80s. Right. So, yes. And there's more. So let's get into. Yeah. So Soldano, when she finds this out, is shocked and she's told there's nothing anyone can do about it, that his threats are looked at as, quote, just words by the prison officials.


But they're not just words if he already acted on. Is there OK, and just words after you've acted on them the same way should be a problem. You know what I mean? Well, it's a problem not to be in jail, right? So so, yeah, it's it should it should be like he's not just the kind of person that's going to say stuff he's going to do just. Exactly. So clearly, he's not rehabilitated in any way.


So now Teresa's 34 years old, she's six months pregnant, and she fears for her life, of course, saying, quote, This man is going to kill me if someone doesn't help. That is the truth. She begins advocating against his release and starts shining a light on the fact that the system is flawed and protecting people from violent criminals. This is further enforced by a 1985 state law being overturned that would have kept him incarcerated beyond his release date on a year by year basis if the state psychiatrist thought he was still a violent threat and those psychiatrist came forward and said they wholeheartedly did think he was still a violent threat.


But it didn't matter at that point because that law was overturned. When Jackson actually does end up serving additional time after endless appeals, Saldana said, quote, And then even when I got the letter about their appeal, they said they weren't going to take the repeal as the final thing they would be that would be appealed. But in the last couple of weeks, all we got were very, very tactic and very, very specific and serious words to the effect of prepare yourself because he's coming out on June 15th and there's nothing we can do.


Eventually, the court sides with Saldana and Jackson receives an additional five years and nine months for his death threats. Finally gets punished and they take those fucking seriously. Yeah, at the sentencing, Superior Court Judge James Bassekou tells Jackson, quote, I find it to be an extremely dangerous person. It is my opinion you are a danger to yourself. You are a danger to Miss Saldana and you clearly and clearly you're a danger to everyone around you. The deranged.


Jackson says the sentence is, quote, A declaration of war was to the judge. To the judge. Yeah. And just like double what I just said, please. OK, yep. Yeah. This is not a sane person and it's not a person that's in their right mind. A judge's midde is like literally sentence sentencing you. Yeah. And you're just like it's on bit.


Yeah. Just like yours is going to win I guess is going to win this dummy.


In nineteen ninety six, Jackson is extradited to England for the murder that he admitted to in prison. The bank robbery, murder he's found not guilty, but he's placed in a psychiatric hospital where he dies in 2004 of heart failure. Well, all right. So in nineteen eighty four, Teresa makes the decision to relive her traumatic ordeal by playing herself and the made for TV movie victims for victims. The Theresa Saldana story, which makes them made for TV movie, as we were talking about.


So real and gut wrenching and like.


She fuckin played herself. OK, I didn't remember that. Oh, so so I remember the movie, I remember that scene. And so now I'm like, that scene was so creepy or whatever. It's like she was it was basically like the ultimate reenactment.


I mean, reliving her exact trauma.


Also, can I just say that I remember the commercials for that made for TV movie like terrifying as they. Yes. As they as they built up to that. It was because the story was in the news and the story was kind of like everywhere that happened in eighty two and it's eighty four now.


So I'm sure it's just as it was around all the time. And then it basically because I know she did obviously press and stuff like that, but it became about her going, yeah, minute I'm taking it back, this is my story, this happened to me and I will. And it was just like a thing that was very consistent in that part of my childhood, just like watching her be like, yeah, I'm doing I'm taking it back like this enough.


Like, people need to care about victims. So bad ass. Yeah, that's it's incredible. And watching it, you're just like, amazed by her. So and in fact, in the movie, a doctor and paramedic from her attack played themselves as well in the emergency room scenes. Did the.


That's amazing. I love that. Yeah. I love like a detail. I was thinking you're going to say that the delivery man played himself. No, but he comes back. End of the story. So about a minute Miss Saldana said, quote, Working on the film released a lot of tension for me because you want to ask the question like did you could have re traumatized you very easily, you know? Yes. So she actually said working on the film released a lot of tension for me as we shot.


I felt elated and creative because she's an actress. You know, I felt that I was capable of anything. How many people are offered the opportunity to go back in time and relive a traumatic experience, but without any of the physical or emotional pain that they felt the first time?


Yeah, it's almost like exposure therapy. I hope there was. I'm sure there was. But like someone on set. Yes. So it wasn't just like, yeah, I hope we're back in five in day that I that's but I would imagine if she's this together that they probably they Amanda they clearly manage it. Well if that's her story. Yeah. We don't suggest doing this with your trauma, but if you're in a place where you can I mean then or that works for you.


I mean you if you could be it in a Monday, CBS Monday night of the movies like back then this made for TV movie all had names, they had their own opening graphics. And it was the thing that got promoted all week long like this was appointment TV is one of your one of your four choices. And they're just like I pick this one, it's on you to watch five minutes of it and you'll know what we grow up on this inspiring story.


Yeah. So Teresa then goes on to have a steady acting career, appearing in the 1984 Charles Bronson film The Evil that Men Do and and guest roles on several television series in the early 1990s, she lands a starring role in the television series The Commish. Remember that as Rachel Scully Scully, the wife of the police commissioner, Tony Scally, played by Michael Chiklis classic actor and not to be confused by mine and Gareth Rennolds TV show The Commissioner, which is totally different.


I guess we're not all a similar. Not the same. That's right. Yeah. She Commissioner was actually a good deal. It was classic. My mom told to watch that. Yeah. Yeah. She also goes on to write a memoir about her attack called Beyond Survival. And she becomes an advocate for others who have suffered a violent crime by founding a support group called Victims for Victims. As a result of Teresa's efforts and the 1989 murder of actress Rebecca Schaeffer by an obsessed fan, California passes the nation's first anti stalking law in nineteen ninety.


That's I mean, that's how long it took for anyone to fucking admit that that's a crime. Long overdue. But you know your stats. That's right. Then on September 13th, 1994, the federal law called Violence Against Women Act of 1994 is signed by then-President Bill Clinton. The act provides one point six billion dollars towards investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against women, imposed automatic and mandatory restriction on those convicted and allowed civil redress in cases prosecutors chose, not in which they chose not to prosecute the case.


So you can then be like, fuck you, I'm taking this up higher. The act also established the Office of Violence against Women within the Department of Justice. So finally, by nineteen ninety four, it's being taken a little more seriously and the bill was sponsored by a certain Delaware senator named Joseph Biden. Oh yeah.


And another and gain support from a broad coalition of advocacy groups. The act passed through both houses of the Congress with bipartisan support. And in 1994, although the following year the House Republicans attempted to cut the ABC's funding, many of those grant programs that were authorized in the act have been funded by the US Congress. The Office on Violence Against Women have received appropriations from Congress for things like grants to encourage arrest and enforce protection orders, court training and improvement grants, research on violence against Native American women, national tribal sex offender offender registries, stalker reduction database protections and services for disabled victims, and violence on college campuses grants.


So they're trying to cover really specific issues that and then and themselves are delicate and take a lot of care and effort. But of course, even twenty five years later, we're still a long way from stalking victims having adequate rights and protection. So in a January 2009 National Crime Victimization Survey said that during a 12 month period, an estimated 14 in every 1000 persons aged 18 or older were victims of stalking nearly 54 percent of female victims and 41 percent of male victims experienced stalking before the age of 25, and an estimated five point nine million US residents age 18 or older experienced behaviors consistent with either stalking or harassment.


So while the federal government, all 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories have enacted criminal laws to address stalking, the legal definition for stalking varies across all the jurisdictions. In 2009, the National Center for Victims of Crime partnered with the US Department of Justice Office on Violence Against Women to create the Stalking Resource Center SIRC. And that's you can go to Victim Connect Dog and Victims of Crime Dog to find the protection orders and national hotlines if you need help with that.


So then there's a woman called Tamara Hill. She is a YouTube personality and she's an internationally and board certified trauma therapist and licensed child and family therapist. I would highly suggest going to her YouTube page. That's Tamara Hill. She covers a lot of topics including and related to stalking, trauma and psychotherapy sites, YouTube dot com slash, Tamara H therapist. So if you need any information or help, she's a really great resource. Oh, nice. As for Theresa Saldana, she passed away in twenty sixteen at Cedar Sinai of pneumonia at the age of 61.


And the man who heroically came to her aid, the delivery man, he switched careers after the ordeal and he became what he always wanted to be a police officer. Can you even. That's crazy. I know. So we have that thing in him of emergency. I go I run towards the problem. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. All right. So then finally, I looked, of course, this story up on our Gmail account to see if anyone had written in about it.


And there weren't a lot, surprisingly, but one motorino named Katie wrote in. And here's what she said. She said, I'm writing in to you all today to tell you about an incredible woman that I am proud to say I knew as a little girl growing up when I was about eight years old. At one of the first at one of my first ballet schools in L.A., I met this mother and daughter duo whom over the years we always seem to have left and changed over to the same ballet schools, one after the other.


When I first saw and met her mother, I was instantly intrigued and thought of her as such an interesting person and character, she was unlike anyone I'd ever come across before. She always were very long and flowery dresses. And she also always wore a hat that cast a shadow over her face. Well, you had a sort of peek under the hat to see her face. I always remember thinking how beautiful she was. Her garments were always in the darker tones and hues, but the brightness of her spirit and personality were always gleaming through.


I cannot quite remember how it came about that my mother revealed to me who she was. But I'm 99 percent sure it was in the car where all our serious and almost always inappropriate for my age type conversations occurred. My mom revealed to me that my ballet friend's mother was a pretty famous actress in the night in the 1980s and 90s, and was is basically the reason why California became the first state in the US to criminalize stalking. Wow. She could have easily gone into retreat after such a heinous and traumatic attack, which no one could ever fault anyone for doing.


But she didn't. She went out and used her trauma to bring awareness to something that I was shocked to find out wasn't always illegal. It is crazy to me that before the 1990s, it was it was totally OK, apparently, to follow someone around because you're obsessed with them. She experienced many health complications due to her attack, but that, too, never stopped her from continuing her acting career, from taking her daughter to every single one of her ballet classes and to every one of our rehearsals, and definitely never stopped her from being a loving and supportive mother and friend, not only to her daughter, but to me as well.


She even nicknamed me the baby ballerina. She was truly a great lady, and I often think about her and her daughter. And that is the story of Theresa Saldana. I love that ending. Like a personal. I knew her. I knew her personally. Like, I got I got to know her as a person that her spirit touched, shone through. It was my lovely email. Thank you, Kate. That's so lovely. Yeah, that was yeah.


I really it's such a it's such a cool story because the amount of strength and resilience it would take, I mean, just that that idea, what she went through and the stages of what she went through because the stalking itself is so scarce, you know, I mean and then it's just like it's really impressive. It's just always there's nothing like a survivor story because there's something in that that it's just like, you know, the attack is so horrible.


The story, you know, the details of what she went through after that. Yeah. And then she just continued to to to, like, fight back and and then start fighting for other people. It's just like that's like a plus survivor story. Yes. She's kind of the she's the OG really. Because that's that's like one of the first ones I ever saw. And it was to watch a made for TV movie like that as a like adolescent.


Yeah. It was really shocking and really like, wait, this can happen totally. And then the point of the story was it can happen and you can then take it back. Yeah. And she was kind of like they're front and center to be saying that it was it's amazing. She's that's an incredible work she did in her life.




We all owe her a debt of gratitude and then went on to like to star on a very popular TV show. It wasn't just like, yeah, she's a true badass.


Totally, totally commissioner, for God's sake. You know, I was only about like three years. Yeah. She was like, yeah, it was. She did it. She did it. Yeah. So really incredible and gives us all hope and that's all carry some of her tenacity in our bones. Yeah, yeah, so cool. Yeah, I love that I, I it made me immediately think of the Rebecca Schaffer story too, because he that stalker also got her information by hiring a private detective.


Yes. It was like very common. No big deal, wasn't it?


Also, the DMV called the DMV to and that was that they made laws that you can't let the DMV cannot because they could just you could just call and be like, hey, I'm a bail bondsman and I need the information for this, you know, person in jail or whatever this person's. Yeah. Address or whatever. Yeah, I know. It's so creepy, those kinds of things where it's like what things are set up just based on like if it had to have happened already.


Totally. We can't do anything until the bad hit hasn't happened. Yeah. It's just so backwards. It is so backwards also just the idea from the beginning of that story, it's just like this was a person who had real mental disorder. Yes. And and the the idea that it was just like and then his choice to never address it, to never get help. Yes.


To however his actions and to, you know, it feel almost entitled to be able to act that way. Yeah. It's really it's that in and of itself is really something because it's like there's so many things could be solved if people could just instead of being like, you know, what I'm going to do is violent. So it's all right. Or you could talk to someone, you could maybe see if you could get it on a pill that would make you stop wanting, like, you know, totally anyway, you know, I'm a dreamer.


But the idea that people would just go to therapy and work on their shit, I mean, if only if only if only we'll show you some fucking hurry. Let's fucking do it.


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All right, you want to go ahead. OK, this is from Alien Ned Elai and Ned from Instagram. My Fechner is a small victory. I had the overwhelming desire. What could the name be like? Aileen Ali.


The Aliette alien ALIBHAI, a Ali Achmad Italian man, and there's a couple in the photo, my sister Ali, and it's a it's just like the game concentration.


Oh my God.


It is so amazing. They sounded it out. You stuck with it. Great job. Thank you. OK, my Eliot Ness from Alien Element Alien. My career as a small victory, I had the overwhelming desire to cancel my virtual therapy therapy appointment so that I could avoid working on myself and maybe take a three hour depression nap instead. And there I've not been doing so well lately. I thought the impulse to avoid and ignore, which is the loudest voice in my depression and attended my session, I'm glad I did because fuck you depression.


I needed it and I am worth it. Congratulations, Ali and Arnab. That's awesome. That is actually humongous, and that's the kind of thing and yes, we've all been there for sure. But the more you fight that impulse and I'm saying this as a person who often does not like fighting that impulse and doing what do they call like the opposite behavior. Yeah. And like doing the thing you don't want to do, which is like the stronger choice.


Yeah. Is the key to life. Just little tiny improvements like that will get you everywhere in this world. So I, I it alien. Ned, I'm proud of you. Keep it up but. OK, so this says this is Mia Jacobson. Twenty one. My fucking her is that this year I'm graduating college. I got into my dream school and I'm sorry I got into my dream vet school and I'm celebrating my three year remission from cancer.


I was diagnosed freshman year of college, went through surgery and six months of chemotherapy, and then went back to school as soon as I could. Whoa, I'm blown away.


Although the trauma of having cancer as a young adult is something I constantly have to work through, I'm so proud that I've been able to accomplish so much over the past few years. Thank you for always being there and talking so openly about dealing with trauma. I can't wait to listen to you as I walk to my vet school classes in the fall. Fucking her.


Yeah. Unbelievable. Congratulations on all counts.


Couldn't get through school with every goddamn advantage.


And I like the idea that. They went through school, yeah, and got cancer, recovered from cancer, went into remission and then went back to as soon as possible, I would I ought to use it as an excuse to not.


But that's been enquirers built in. Yeah, not an excuse. I mean, rightfully so. Well, as a reason.


But I would have used it as an excuse of just like, hey, can you bring me some just milking it for years afterwards. OK, this is from and this is from underscore Kube on Instagram.


Got a fucking hooray for you all you all but the all. And I spent seven years in a quote stable career after college that had severe impacts on my mental health. I stayed because I thought that's what I needed to do. But I felt trapped, miserable and unqualified to do anything else.


Last year I read SDM and with a lot of inspiration from you fine ladies and encouragement from a few best friends. I quit that job, went back to school, and today, less than a year later, all caps. I got hired as a graphic designer and I've never been this proud of myself or cried happy tears until I called my mom to tell her I did it so fucking her. I'm a bad ass who's taking what she wants in this shit show world.


I can pray and it's a year that's incredible. Like you could be a year away from your dream job if you just decide what you want to do. And this year, this next year is the deciding factor between right now and 365 days from now. Yeah, yeah, me too. Me too. I just realized hey, I'm also graphic designers. I think the coolest jobs there is the coolest, it's it's very cool. Definitely. You get to be an artist, but you also it's straight up business like people need you.




It's art, it's business, it's scientific. And a lot of ways it's like it's the coolest. That's, that's a very cool job. Congratulations and good work. You did your work. Yes. OK, this is from four and six B mod. That's not really one set of bones. Four and six p.m.. I sounded out. I'm trying to like this like the driver's license plate, a license plate game, foreign 6b mod.


No difference. I had a big fucking hurry today. I volunteered at my state's first mass vaccination clinic. It was the first time in over a year that I felt that joyful energy can only get from being in a crowd of people that are experiencing true happiness like a concert, but with needles and allergy observation.


I even had a gentleman tell me he loved me in that way. That seemed so genuine, recognizing a moment of lovely connection with a stranger. And it's just about the humanity of it all. My empathic self soaked it all up. It was beautiful. It was a beautiful break from covid anxiety and depression. We managed over five hundred vaccinations per hour and over 12000 vaccination in three days. Holy shit, I can't wait to help with the next one.


Let's get those shots in arms.


That's amazing. That's so great. But also, that reminds me, Kurt Braunohler has been posting on Instagram this, so it's called Get Out The Shot L.A. and I'm sure it happens in other towns as well, where if you volunteer to work, you know, eight hours or however long at a vaccination location, you're eligible for the shot as well. Yeah, you get it right. They give it to you automatically. Yeah, this one's got less leg, but look up your town and see if there's something similar, because that could be really great for people who need it but aren't on the immediate list and a really cool way to like, volunteer.


OK, that's my last one. It's from Jordan Dot Motsinger. I think I got that right. My fucking hurry is finally able to be shared. I waited so long to be able to say that after a long, indescribably emotional journey, we brought home our adopted baby two weeks ago. Well, we never want to see a family broken up, especially if an expectant mother would be able to parent with ample support and resources. We pray to be able to stand in a space where we were needed.


We prayed to be able to stand in a space where we were needed and join arms within an expectant mother to love, support and serve her. Our son's birth mother is a beautiful, compassionate, outrageously strong woman, and we love her endlessly. Our family has not only grown by adding our son, but also by adding his bio family. If you read this on the pod, please share that the adoption community. It needs ethical advocates for all members of the triad, not just adoptive families and children, but also the birth mothers and fathers we named our son merit because it means worthy and he is all that and more.


Oh, congratulations. Beautiful. I mean, it's a lovely message and yeah, it's. Yeah, but at the same time, it's also just like you have a little family. It's a lovely, big and exciting thing.


Big growing family. That's lovely. All right. Here's my last one. It's as fucking her. It's never too late to advocate for yourself. And this is from Tesi. It says, I've always had issues with reading, writing, spelling and math. As I progressed through school, I had my struggles because I didn't want others to think that I wasn't capable or stereotyped me as, quote, another child of color who couldn't read. I started to figure out little shortcuts to get by, but my studies eventually outpaced my ability to adapt.


I did research some years ago and talked to some of my friends that specialized in dyslexia. I seem to have an unofficial answer, but that wasn't satisfying enough. It wasn't until recently that I was able to afford a proper evaluation. And then in parentheses it says side note, they're expensive, an average of two thousand dollars, which raises questions of equity, among other things. But I digress. Very true. And parentheses come to find out I don't have dyslexia, but a visual processing disorder basically in my brain has trouble processing input from my eyes, which causes my brain to flip and mirror letters, move the words on the page, make solving math equations difficult and can even affect depth perception.


My brain will also skip lines and omit words or notes altogether when reading books and sheet music. At twenty nine years old and one point five semesters into a PhD program for music education, I finally have an answer and will get the academic accommodations that I need. Stay sexy and never stop advocating for yourself, Saphira. And then it says Its Jewish alloa.


Right now I'm loving. Oh my God. Isn't that the fucking greatest? First of all, with all of that, you're in a PhD program. Yeah. Like all all of the problems, like, clearly they adapted well enough to get themselves.


You're far in life. They're you're brilliant.


And then the American school systems way of teaching and the way of how you have to learn doesn't work for everyone. So you're still incredibly smart. And you your your your work around, it's like probably makes you way more intelligent than just, you know, they have such a good point of like that kind of testing should be available to all children, not just rich kids. No, because kids should know if you're having problems reading or having problems in school.


Yeah. It, it, it's very possibly could not be your fault. It's not about your concentration or anything. Yeah. You're stupid or something.


Oh my kids look stupid, which is a self-esteem thing. Or it turns into like a behavioral issue because. Yeah.


You know, like there's all kinds of ways that goes wrong where it's like, you know, well I say stupid and that when I was a kid I had some learning issues too. And I just thought I was stupid because it didn't fit. Everyone else could understand the basic right. So it made me think I was stupid and I didn't try. And it's a scary feeling. Yeah. Oh, so here I am. And that she's twenty nine.


It's like it's never, it's never, it's never too late to stop advocating that. Right. Amazing. You guys send in your fucking array's on Instagram. On Twitter there's a fan called Forum where you can put it and you can email it to us. I think social media and fan it's best but also respond to each other and congratulate everyone for their fucking bad. Asseri and I mean, there's great stuff. Yeah. Great stuff going on out there.


Oh. Mention this because I, I just remembered it right now. It happened, I it happened almost like more over a week ago. But you know there's this uptick in, in racially motivated attacks on Asian people these days and it's it's in the news. It's in it's happening a lot. It's very disturbing. It's really upsetting. And someone they reached out on Twitter to see if it's going to find the name for us and said that there were Asian people that were in New York City who were talking about being worried about walking around like that.


It was that worrisome on a like on a murder forum somewhere. And all these murders, you know, started volunteering to walk people where they needed to go.


I mean, that's awful that it has to happen that way. But that's but credible. Someone like the first one I saw because they included like a picture in their post that they sent to me. And the first one was like somebody saying, I'm a martial arts instructor. I'll walk you anywhere you need to go.


As the person who tweeted it at us was at Jean Kim with with three N's, Jean Kim.


And can you see that first one? Can you see the name of the. I think they said they were a martial arts instructor or something along those lines. It's in her it's in the picture of the things she posted that she was looking at, like the forum of the gym is blocked out in that area. I just want to give that person a little credit.


But apparently there were there were I think she says in the tweet, right, Steven, that there's like 50 people or 60 people that offered to walk amortization that felt 40 people Motorino offered to walk. Any Asian person who felt unsafe being by themselves on the street. It was like, this is the best thing. And I just wrote back, I love this and it doesn't surprise me. Yeah, it's awful. But we but murdering once again are the best fucking people.




Just we got we've all got to unite and we got to unite against that bullshit. That's not the backyard. All right. That was a great episode. Was fun. Good job. Good time. All of us.


Good job to Georgia for handling this story this week. Good job to all of us for being here with her and more.


Thanks for listening. You guys are the best.


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