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Wherever you get your podcast. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us again for another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite sports song, Shannon Sharp, he's your favorite number 85 bingles, Ring of Famer, route runner extraordinaire, Chad Ocho. Cinco Johnson. Yes, sir, Ocho. We're at 528,000 subscribers. We really appreciate that. Guys, do us a favor. Our goal, Ocho, is to try to get to 600k by the end of the year. So we got about don't cut it short, man.

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I mean, the takeaway from this game was the goddamn Bills are lucky. Josh Allen is lucky. James Cook is lucky. The Chargers played a decent game without a Justin Herbert. They did just enough to almost obviously win the game. That kick by Dicker, is it Dicker or Decker? I don't want to pronounce. Thought that. I thought that sealed the game, but obviously, Josh Allen comes down, throws a beautiful pass to Diggs on third. And I'm not sure what it was. It was third and something and then came back and hit. God, I got to get these fellas names right, man. Number ten, where his knee. His knee was down. His knee was down where I thought it was a touchdown.

But they have to stop playing like.

This because you can't overcome the turnovers. You're not going to be able to overcome the turnovers once you get into playoff contention or you're in a playoff atmosphere against a team that's much better than that of the Chargers.

Right? You know what, ocho? They flashed a stat on the screen.

Yeah.

Josh Allen has turned the ball over 15 straight times in road games dating back to 2022.

Wait, 15 straight, 15 straight games?

He's had at least one turnover on the road. That gets you beating the playoffs because you pay double for him if he throws, digs across the field. In a situation like that, there's no backside help. So now let him run up under. Yeah, because if you throw it like you throw it, the same thing is going to happen. The guy's going to under it and he's going to pick it.

And the funny thing about it, remember, he just did it earlier. He did it earlier in the game anyway, to Gabe Davis instead of across the field. It was just, he threw it up right in front of him.

Yes.

All he had to do is step into it just a little bit more.

Yeah.

Shakir is number ten for the Buffalo bill.

Shakir. Khalil.

Khalil. Shakir.

Okay, you're right. It seemed like to me, Buffalo kind of like played down to the competition. Even though the Chargers still have a very talented team, even without Justin Herbert, without Keenan Allen, no joy Bosa, they still have a very talented roster and give those guys credit for fighting hard. But this has been the story over the last three years. They play good, but somehow they find ways to lose these type of ball games. How many times have they lost by one, lost by two, lost by three points, and seemingly in situations like this, somebody kicking game winning field goal, but you only have limited time to go try to win the ball game or tie the ball game up. And so this has kind of been the story not only of their season, but of the last couple of years. But the Bills, you're absolutely right. The Bills need to play a lot better than what they played. And sometimes when you look across, you're like, man, they can't beat us. Look at what they got at quarterback. They're missing Keenan Allen also. You know, the defense, they just fired their coach. So what do they have to play for?

Well, a lot of these guys playing for jobs because there's going to be a new coach coming in, there's going to be a new general manager coming in, and they didn't draft, they didn't trade for or they didn't sign any of you guys in free agency. So they absolutely have no loyalty to you. And so there's going to be very interesting. So that's what you're playing for. You ask, well, what are we playing for? We don't have anything to play for. We're not going to the playoffs. Your job, because I'm sure you're going to want a job in 2024. And so the new coach is going to come in and he's going to watch every single game. And the one thing that you don't want to put on tape, ocho, is that when we're winning and we're front running, we play hard, but the moment we face a little adversity and we're behind, we're not. Yeah, you can't do that. That's not a good look. That's definitely not a good look. But give the Bills credit, they come along. That's a long, long trip. O Joe, they win the ball game, they're going to get an extra day of rest.

They get an opportunity to sit at home for criminal and don't have to worry about anything. They're probably not going to have no practice until Tuesday. They're off tomorrow. They're off Sunday. Well, hell, they're not going to get home. Well, they're not going to get home until it's 11:00 twelve, one, two, three. They're probably not going to get home till 304:00 in the morning.

In the morning.

Because you figure an hour to lead a stadium and from where the stadium is to the airport, it's only like you get police escort. So it's not that bad.

You're going to get there fast.

And plus a lot of the traffic that have been kind of fanned out a little bit. Not all of it. Not all of it. It'll still be some traffic, but you'll get an opportunity to get there. And so probably 30 minutes after you get to the airport. So, yeah, they're not getting home to 304:00 in the morning, maybe even five. That's a five hour flight because it takes us when we go to New York and that's upstate New York. So that's at least a five and a half. Five and a half hour flight easy. It's 11:00 twelve, 1234. Yeah, they get home for 430.

The funny thing about it, but the good thing about it, you know what it would have felt like to take that five hour and 30 minutes back home if you had lost and you had lost that game?

That's bad.

One behind that fumble or maybe that interception because it's only two or three plays in an entirety of a game. That make the difference. You absolutely, totally make the difference. And the fact that they were over to come, two turnovers today. They got lucky. They got real lucky. But it won't cut it once you get in the playoffs.

Yeah, won't cut it. I don't know how you world, Joe, but, man, I couldn't sleep, man. Win, lose a draw, especially in the win. I ain't sleeping. We rowdy back there, we playing cards, we laughing, we joking. We telling jokes. We talking about if somebody got blew up in the game. Oh, we own your head. Oh, man. Dude knocked your block off. If you got slept in a game. Oh, don't worry about it. Hey, we better feel bad for you on the field. But once we get on that, once we get to that locker room, them.

Jokes going to fly.

Absolutely.

Every time.

After a loss, I'm down.

Especially if we had a long flight. West coast, having to come back to the east.

Yeah. You know what I'm thinking, know, playing.

The raiders or playing the Chargers and losing, having to come back, I can't even remember what I was doing. But I think I probably did sleep. Win or loss, I probably did sleep, especially after playing a game, being beat up, being sore, not sure what the outcome might have been. But I got to get my rest. I got to get my rest. Especially for a flight that long, that's tough, that five hour flight coming from the west to the east, but that's hell. Especially if you lost.

Oh, for sure.

I tell you what, you're not going to feel worse than Deontay Wilder. He got to come all back with that l and how he looked tonight all the way from, you know, after that performance. They shouldn't make him walk back after what he put on tape today, ocho, they need to make him walk.

Wilder, man. Good friend of mine. Boxing is weird. The way it works. Boxing is weird. The way it works is he's always been dominant. He's always been dominant with one hand and one punch.

Yes.

He's always been dominant with one hand and one punch for so long. He's relied on it for such a period of time that now I think it's almost too late where now you.

Can'T teach him nothing. It's too late for him now, ocho. You can't teach him.

Yeah, I know what I mean. If he was a little bit more technical and a little bit more sound as a boxer, not a puncher, right now, you're meeting people that have a great ring iq that are able to protect themselves from that one hand and that one punch, and they are better boxers, if that makes sense. Absolutely. They might not be the better fighter.

Than him, but they are the better boxer.

They're out boxing him.

Yeah.

And as long as they don't walk into that punch or he let them sit them up to trap them. But I think the thing is for him, ocho, in combat sports, when you're, like, invincible, you remember how Mike Tyson was nobody really wanted to fight Mike Tyson until Buster Douglas knocked him out. And then everybody had a line around the block. It was the same thing with George Foreman when he was knocking people out. He almost killed Joe Frazier. When he almost killed Ken Norton, nobody wanted to fight him. Then Muhammad Ali beat him.

He took a sabbatical.

Yeah, because the era of invincibility, when you're that guy, when you're the king of the mountain, kind of like a bully, everybody's scared of the bully until somebody whip his ass. And you ain't all that, right? Shut up. You ain't beat him. Why are you telling me to be quiet? You should have told that man to whip your ass to be quiet. And that's how it is in any combat sport. As long as you have this aura of invincibility, people are going to be like, man, can anybody? Because you have to understand Deontay Wilder, although he only had that one punch, it was dynamite.

Listen, it was effective. Listen, this is the funny thing about it. I've seen Deontay Wilder spar a few times. Listen, the sound, the power behind those punches or that one punch, the jab is nice, but when that right hand catch you, and if it does catch you, he ain't even got to hit you clean. No, he could graze you and you going down right? But then when you get against better competition, you come against boxers that are good, that have great footwork, that can get in and get out. Even though they heavyweights and they're outboxing you using this up here, then you struggle a little bit.

In most heavyweights, ocho, as you go up in weight classes, most fighters, as you start going up in weight classes, can end the fight with one punch. Obviously, in the heavyweight division, everybody can throw a punch and get you up out of there. But the thing with a boxer is that he knows I ain't going to stand directly in front of you. I'm going to come in at angles and I'm going to negate some of that power that you have by not standing in front of you. And so now, all of a sudden, instead of giving a square target, they give you like this here, hit my head. Hit my head. It's like a stop sign. So he go tee off on you. And, you know, the thing was me, and like I said, I follow boxing. I love boxing and I'm a huge boxing fan. I think what broke him more than anything, it wasn't losing, is when he hit the guy with his best punch and he got up yeah, he got up. Nobody had ever gotten up from a punch like that. And he hit him flush. And he signed up in the middle of ring like undertaker and got up and commenced to whipping his ass.

He said, if you tee off on somebody, you hit them as hard as God will let you. And he don't go nowhere. Or if you knock him down, he get back up. I got to run. Well, you in a boxing match, you can't run.

It could almost be demoralizing. Like, goddamn, that was my best shot. That was all I got. And to see somebody take your power and get up and continue to fight, it does something to you mentally. I'm sure it does. Obviously, I only been in the ring once, so I really am not really equipped to be able to talk about it like that. But with the love I have for boxing and the love I have for watching the sweet science throughout the years, I think I'm somewhat kind of qualified.

How about we put it in terms that we do? Our best hitter hit the receiver, he go across the middle, and we hit him flush. And guess what? Two plays later, they throw the ball to him again. He go up and grab across the middle.

You like middle, don't even care.

You know how many times we'd have had guys turn that down when they see one of them guys like that?

Most definitely.

All of a sudden, we're like, well.

Damn, he ain't scared.

He ain't got no alligator arms, right? He really about that life. So it takes something out of, not just the defense, it takes about the whole team, because as an offense, we used to seeing guys, him lay them out, and all of a sudden, he ain't laid out. He catches the ball, and he take.

Off running, not even caring at all. And the funny thing about boxing, the funny thing, the great thing that I love about the sweet science is Styles win fights.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Styles win fights. So no matter how much of a power punch you are, no matter how much you can hit somebody with one shot, when you get a better fighter in front of you, that is great at movement, understanding when to take chances and when not to, that is very sound defensively and has a ring iq, that is trouble for anybody. That's a one hitter quitter, like beyond the ridge. I wish. Even at 38, I'm not sure at 38, can you develop the skill set to be a better boxer?

I doubt it have a better ring.

Iq, but think about it.

He got started in the game late. You know what I'm saying, ocho? It's not like, he started, like, in the amateur ranks of the golden Gloves and worked his way up. He was a late starter anyway. So you're asking him to pick up skills and to be able to do things that he probably should have learned. Probably like, let's just say a ten year, ten to twelve year old. Well, he didn't get started till his 20s, right? So now, all of a sudden, he's already at a disadvantage. It's kind of like in any sport when you. Tiger woods. Understood, because think about it, Tiger woods had a golf club in his hand at two years old.

Oh, yeah.

Versus somebody that start playing golf as a teenager. Not to think the longer you play something, the more skill, the more knowledge and the more understanding that you have. And so I think that's what happened with Deontay. He got a late start. He wasn't technically sound, although he had dynamite in that right hand. He wasn't a guy that was looking to put punches together to get you up out of there. He was looking for you to make that one mistake. He land that big right, and it was right south.

Now, if he caught you with it.

With the exception of fury, it was. Good night, Irene.

Yeah.

Every time.

Every now.

Do you think it is too late, though? Do you think it is too late to develop the skill set? Listen, the movement, what I saw from him today in the early rounds, the movement, the patience, the picket, and choosing when to take chances and when not to, it looked great. Round one through four, even though he was losing those rounds, because he wasn't as active as he should be.

Is he scared to take punches, ocho? Because, you know, now, in order to knock somebody out, you got to take a chance. I ain't never seen nobody knock nobody out like this here. Guess what's? Open your chin because you're trying to line that punch on him, or whatever it is. Maybe it's a combo, maybe it's uppercut. So whatever the punch you're trying to land, you subject yourself to taking one, right?

Do you think after. I hear boxers always say. I hear announcers always say after a boxer has been knocked out, he's never the same again. He's never the same. You think that holds truth, you think?

Yeah, of course.

It messes with your psyche.

You get cautious.

You get cautious.

Okay.

I tell you what. I'm old enough to remember. You remember Roy Jones when he lost Antonio Tarver.

The left coating, by accident.

Yeah. He was never the same fighter. He was never same.

Right.

Now I understand Roy had went from. Roy went from junior all the way up to super middle, all the way up to heavyweight. He took the belt from Reese. He was 193. He took the heavyweight title. And then he dropped all that weight to come back down. That's what he shouldn't have done. But Roy was not the same fighter after he lost the tarver. He started losing the fighters that Roy would have toyed with.

I think one of the problems with Roy also as his skill started to deteriorate just a little bit. Just a minute. Just a little bit. He wasn't sound defensively. He was so much quicker and faster than everybody else.

Yeah, he dropped his hands and he was like, okay, he catch you with that left hook. He would catch something where you suspected. So now you're not as technically sound and you're still trying to take those chances as you start to age and the reflexes aren't quite the same.

Right.

So hopefully that Deontay can bounce back.

Why they say he coming back? He can't end like that. You can't end like that. I hope you get back in the lab and you work on what you need to work on and you come back and you keep on fighting.

Guys back in the were so skilled. People think heavyweights are just big and slow. No footwork. Giants. But you have to understand, those guys had olympic background. They came amateur. Ali won the gold medal in 60. Fraser was 64. George Foreman was 68. Holyfield went to the Olympics. Mike Tyson was an alternate in the Olympics. Roy Jones was in the Olympics. Floyd Mayweather was in the Olympics. Sweet Pea Whitaker, Mark Breland, all those guys. Tubbs and Henry Tillman. The greatest boxing team ever assembled was the 84 Olympics. I think we won ten of the twelve gold medals. And I think we got a silver in one and a bronze, but we won ten of, I think ten of the twelve. And you go look at that roster. From sweet pea to Mark Breland to Henry Tillman, we were loaded.

Yeah.

So you think things would be different for him from a skill point perspective as far as footwork and ring moving, ring iq and stuff like that? If he had started much earlier as opposed to 20.

Yeah, because the thing is, how often are you going to be able to knock somebody out with that hair gear? So now you got to outpour them, now you got to outbox them. You see what I'm saying now? Not say that you can knock them out, but it's a lot harder. That's why they spar with headgear. It's a lot harder to knock someone out when they have headgear versus not. So now it's a point system. I got to outpoint you in order to beat you because the likelihood of me knocking you out isn't that good.

Likely. But he's not a volume puncher, though, so that takes that out the equation, too.

Why?

Because he didn't have the background, the amateur background. He didn't go up in the golden gloves. He didn't grow up to go to the Olympics. So he just got in. So to get as far as he got with the limited trait and the skills that he has, you have to.

Teach your hat to do it.

Tremendous.

Yeah, but that's why I was asking. I know boxing is different from football. Even at 38, is it possible to attain those skills even over a short amount of time, to become a volume puncher, to be able to come out and throw, maybe even as a heavyweight, it might be ridiculous to say 50, 60 punches. Is that possible?

Do you think you could have been the same route runner if you didn't start playing football to use 25?

Hell no. Exactly.

I needed all 10,000 of them hours.

Exactly. So now, because not only do you understand, okay, this is what I want to do, you understanding how to set guys up. You also understand from the defense that when I catch this ball, here's where the danger is going to come from. So you already know that from all those years, man, this single high safety, ain't nobody coming. If somebody's going to come, they're going to be coming from the inside. So if I give him an inside move, he going to probably bite. I can spin out.

Okay.

If he's coming up on, man, he's probably coming up on the outside. I'm going to be able to get back up inside, but somebody might be coming. So just make sure. Hey, I got to make this thing happen quick. It's just years and years and years of repetition, of knowing. We'll get back to boxing. Let's get to the Steelers.

Okay.

The Steelers blow out the bingoes 30, 411. Mason Rudolph 17 to 27, 292 touchdowns. George Pickens had a bounce back game scores. The bingles secondary. Four catches, 195 yards, two touchdowns. He became the first Steeler to have two touchdowns of at least 65 yards since the great Louis Lips did it in 1988. I know you don't remember Louis Lips, but Louis Lips was a hell of a football. He was a hell of a receiver. Smallish, but a can't quit. Bruce Pickens. George Pickens took Rudolph's first pass attempt for an 86 yard touchdown. What a harp ocho what a hell of safety going.

I don't know what he was doing. I don't know what he was doing. I have no idea what he was doing. But this is what I was talking about when I was somewhat defending George Pickens, obviously on the play with the block, and his frustration and his aura, the laziness of being underused or not utilized to its potential. This is what I was talking about. This is what I was talking about. Now, again, I'm not saying you have to block all the time. You have to put the effort in, in blocking. So everything works. Listen, offense is eleven players. If one player is not doing something, it's like having an engine with no goddamn belt. The car might be running, but ain't going to go nowhere. If you ain't got the belt to keep to get the engine, boom. I said that part.

But the other flip side of it.

Listen, the Steelers aren't playing well this year. They have a franchise changing receiver at the helm that they're not using. They're not utilizing him to his full potential. He's a game changer. He's a game changer. What we saw today is what he could have been doing since week one. Regardless of who they're playing, you put him in positions to make the plays. I look at Nakua, Pukunakua is a phenomenal talent. He's a phenomenal talent. What he's done this far in McVeigh system is phenomenal.

But is he that or at the.

Likes of George Pickens when it comes to route running, speed, skill set? No, I don't think so. And that's no disrespect to Puka. I'm just speaking on what I know. Based off what I know about receivers in the eye test and what I know George can do. And we saw a glimpse of it tonight. What we saw tonight shouldn't be happening in week 15, 1416. Whatever week we in, I don't even know that should be happening consistently week in and week out. When the Steelers line up on offense, the defensive adjustments should be made based.

On where he's lined up.

That's the type of player he is. And I'm glad he hit me tonight. He hit me tonight. And I say, man, good game, I love you. That's how this shit is supposed to look. Every motherfucking day, people. Every day. Forget the catching part. Forget the catching part.

The catching and the blocking have a.

Complete game every time you step on that field.

Yes. Never be the problem, nigga, be the solution. Oh, shit.

My bad. My bad.

I'm sorry. Oh, Joe. People hear me.

Oh, Ryan Clark, Shannon, sharp. What y'all think about this? Two things can be true. George Pickens loafed last week on the block. This week. George Pickens had an incredible ball game. You see how two things can be true. Just because he had an incredible ball game, that doesn't negate what he didn't do last week.

Right.

And so people got to get out of that notion. One thing does not compensate for the other. He did that. That's on tape. Just like what he did this week. It's on tape. I'm a professional. Yes, I believe two things can be true. George Pickens loafed on a block last week. We saw it. George Pickens came back this week, had four catches for a buck 95 and two touchdown, and became the first dealers receiver to have two touchdowns of at least 65 yards in a game since Lewis lives did it in 1988. Those are true. But here's the thing, ocho. As a receiver, you a receiver. We played a dependent position. We couldn't throw ourself the ball. We couldn't call plays for ourselves. The only thing that we could control was our effort. How hard did you get in and out of that break? How hard did you get into that break? What did you do once you got the ball? What did you do when you didn't have the ball? Are you excited because you're only going to be as good if you're excited that somebody else scored the touchdown as if you scored it yourself.

That's when you know you're on to something. I've been on part of championship teams and to see ed, how excited he was for me and Rod, or TD, and to see TD running down the field and everybody want a mile high salute. That's when you know you're on to something. All I'm saying, look, and I'm saying, ocho, you don't think I wanted to catch ten passes a week? You don't think I wanted 100 yards and a couple of touchdowns a week?

Yes.

Realistically, even Tyreek, the type of season that he had, even Calvin Johnson, when he had that record breaking season, there were some games the man had 50 yards. Yeah, it wasn't many. The effort is the only thing as an athlete I can control. Even when I shoot the ball now, it might look pure. I can't control if it go in or not. But if I miss a shot, I got to hustle my ass back on defense, or my man going to get the layup or my man going to get a dump. So that's all I'm saying to George Pickens. There's no denying his talent. We know what he's capable of doing.

Yeah, they need to use it though. They need to put that motherfucker on display every goddamn week.

Well, every week.

They look good.

They look good. Yeah, they look good. And then that's coming from a Bengals fan that's coming from a die hard still love everyday bleed black and orange. They look goddamn good today.

They look good.

Can you put up there? Not only the sacks, but tackles for losses. Force fumble, fumble recovery picks.

I know, pick probably watching right now. No, hey, pick is if you watch it, man. Send us $100, Joe. Send us a quick hunted.

Tom, the.

Don said, do me a favor, Joe, no more gds tonight, please. Love y'all. Content, but the GD is worse than any other swear word.

I don't even gang bang. I'm not from Chicago, I'm not a GD.

No, he's saying, gosh dang, you saying the GD?

No, it's goddamn got. Okay, not the d word got.

That's what, that's what, that's what he's saying.

Oh yeah, tell him it's goddamn not the God word version. My grandma don't play that board. She has slapped fire at my mouth.

I've been looking at this and Molly said something the other day that the betting favorite for defensive player of the year is Michael Parsons. And I'm just trying to figure out.

Oh, because it's based off, huh? Because it's based off mean, he ain't.

Close with the numbers. TJ Watt leaves the league in sacks, he has more sacks, more force fumbles, more fumble recoveries, more interceptions, more touchdowns, more tackle for losses.

Let me see, you got twelve and a half, you got a force fumble, 14 tackles for loss.

Yes.

Well, shit, Miles Garrett and goddamn Makai got them right there neck and neck. So running away with it is TJ Watt. Based on what he's done so far.

TJ Watt leaves the league with 17. Miles Garrett is 7th with 13. He and Micah are tied for tackle for losses with 14. TJ Watt has 16, right? TJ Watt has more force fumbles, he has more fumble recoveries, he has more interceptions, he has more touchdowns. What am I missing?

Listen, all three of them are very impactful on that defense.

We got to get a war. We can't get award to three players, we got to give it to somebody, ocho.

All right, who you like? Who would you like if you had to give the war to somebody who you right now?

Yes.

Despite the team's lack of success. I'm just asking. Despite the team's lack of success, man.

Cortez Ocho, Cortez Kennedy was defensive player of the year on a two and 14 team. So don't give me no dude lack of success.

No, I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying anything. I'm just trying to make sure I touch on all angles before you give it away.

But the Steelers have an opportunity to.

Get into the playoffs. They still got a chance to be a wild card, right?

They're not done yet.

Ocho.

You know what I think about when.

I think about it?

I like what Mackay has done this far.

Micah.

Through the season. Micah. Micah, I'm sorry. I like what Miles Garrett has also done. They are forced to be reckoned with on their teams and they can change the direction of a game at any point. And is it a fact that maybe they get double team?

Oh, you don't think TJ get double team?

I don't know.

I watch it all, especially. I'm watching it all for the simple fact I need to think. I don't really get caught up into like, okay, he scored. I need to know why he scored. Okay, he got a sack. But I need to know what happened. How did they scheme it? Did somebody, did somebody get off on the block? Did they slide the wrong way? Did the back miss the block? I have to look at all of, I look at, if I look at TJ's numbers and it's just hard. And it's not like the Steelers defense are trash. I can see if he's on a defense and they dead last and pass defense. But we know what the Steelers are. The Steelers always been, they linebackers have always been legit. You go back to the 70s with Ham Lambert, Andy Russell, you come to Kevin Green and you go to Gildon and you go to Joy Porter and you go to Holmes and you go to Kirkland. They've always had linebacker James Harrison, Larry.

Larry Foot.

Yeah.

Hey, so I have a question. TJ Watt normally played a wide nine, right?

They put him down and put his hand in the dirt. But they play a 34 defense.

So they play a 34. That means that's still a night. What do you call it in three fold?

I call it a 34. That's a Sam, will and Mike. Okay, well, he's normally the strong side, so we call it Sam, you got Sam Will, you got plug and Mike. That's the way we label it now. If you play a 43 defense, we call it Sam Will and Mike. Mike, okay, but we call it when you got a 34 defense, Sam will plug Mike. So they played the Steelers for the last 30 years. Now, in the 70s, they were called the steel curtain. They played a 43 defense with Ernie Holmes, LC Greenwood, Joe Green and those guys.

That's why I'm asking. I'm looking at the sacks, right. And I'm trying to see what do they do with TJ Watt differently that they don't do with Micah and Miles Garrett?

Well, Micah, well, see, they're like, Miles is an end, and normally they play a 43, so he plays the open side. So they're always trying to put him away from the tight end. They'll swap him around. And you see, sometimes he's going in between his legs, he's over the guard, what they're trying to do. And they'll do this with all of them. Who's the weak link now? I'm going to turn the door handles on all these doors. Now, one of them got to open, right? And the one that opens the easiest, I'll be back to come in there again.

Right.

But they will drop TJ in the coverage because, you know, as the wheel, as Sam Backer, sometimes you got hooked the flat, you got the curl. So you're not always rushing, even in Michael occasionally, but more times than not, when you got a guy with his hand in the dirt, you're rushing him more times than not. Occasionally, you run a zone, you get exotic, you run a zone blitz, and you'll fake like it and he'll drop out. But for the most part, Miles Garrett and Micah do a little bit, not much, because you wasting TJ Watt. If you drop him in coverage, right, he'll hellraiser. So I want him to kick it in the door like he done his sack celebration. I want him kicking in the door.

Kicking the door. And then when you think about it, listen, we ain't even talk about Khalil Mac.

Khalil Mac.

Yeah, Khalil Mac.

To nail Hunter, who should be in the conversation.

Yeah.

The Bosa 49 ers. 49 ersa.

He's not Joey.

No, Nick. Joey plays for the Chargers. Nick plays for the 49 ers.

Man, they all look the same. They all look the same.

Hunter in Minnesota, he's having an outstanding.

He was leading the league for quite a bit, maybe about ten, 1112 weeks in a row.

Yeah.

And it tailed off a little bit.

I mean, what you call him has an outside chance to get 20. He'll tie his brother. He'll be the only second man in NFL history to have 20 sack seasons. His brother JJ had two seasons in which he had at least 20 sacks. Nobody else has been able to do that.

Right.

We've had some guys that have 21 and a half. Stray hand had 22 and a half. 22 and a half, which was.

What's the record? The record? 23. Right?

22 and a half by TJ and stray hand.

Okay, that's live, man. You know how many sacks that is? I don't think people even know how difficult it is to get a goddamn sack, let alone to get 22 of them.

Yeah. Goodness.

And these guys have gotten really good. These guys know how to bend. I mean, everybody, it doesn't matter. Normally, the bending was for smaller guys. Sam back guys, like a Derek Thomas, like a Vaughn Miller. But if you look at Miles Garrett at 265 pounds, 270, and he can bend like a guy, that's 232, man.

Bend like he's doing the motherfucking limbo.

Yeah.

Now, Michael is not as. He doesn't bend as much. Michael is a more swim or rip.

You know what other people don't get to see? I call it the casual fan. I mean, no disrespect. All they think of, they just see DN, they think about Russian and don't understand these fellas. They have a plethora of move, they have a plethora of setups to get. It's unbelievable to watch. It's almost like art form. It's almost like art form. But you don't get to see the hand to hand combat, because all you see is just a guy, just bull rushing, not knowing he's actually setting.

Bull is when you go, basically take the guy right down the middle and walk him back to the quarterback. Now, there have been only a handful of guys. The only guy that I know could do the Forklift was a guy named Jumpy Gethers. Jumpy forklift, forklift. What he would do when the guy would try to pass, block him, he would shoot his hands through there like a forklift. Lift the lineman up, walk him back, sack the quarterback. He's the only guy I've ever seen that lift him up, lift him up off his feet. A 340 pound man, jumpy can lift him up off his feet and take him back to the quarterback.

He must have been strong. He must have been strong.

Remember I told you jumping from Charleston, jumpy is only like one generation.

Wait, like Larry Allen. Strong like that.

Yeah.

Oh, he lived. Larry Allen.

Up him, up.

Larry Allen.

Larry Allen live him up. You see Reggie?

Reggie humped Larry.

You see Reggie? You see when they had the thing, the 30 for 30 on ESPN?

What happened?

Humped him.

Well, he clubbed him.

Yes.

Okay. He must have caught him on his heels.

That's what Reggie does. But see, Reggie could also bend for a man that size. And Reggie had no gloves. Reggie just out there with his bare hand.

The tape on his tape.

Yeah. Bad? Yeah.

And the guys could wipe.

They bend the edge right there to the quarterback.

Guys set you up with the rip. So it's all a set up they're looking at. Okay, how deep does he get? Okay, how deep is the quarterback?

Okay. One, two, three.

Okay, that's where the quarterback is. Okay, it's set up. One, two. Okay, it's like a rhythm. Okay, he's here. Okay, this is where I need to get to. Okay, I need you to collapse the pocket and make him take one step back, or take him so he can't drive, he can't step up, because now I can bend and get around the edge. So it's a dance, like you said. People say, oh, he got a sack, but do you know why he got that sack? Got a sack.

So much comes into play, and I always wondered, from playing the mind game and thinking about it as a dN, obviously, I don't play dN, but I would count the kick. And when he anchors down, I'm just saying, in my mind, if I was, I know when the ball snap, he kick, kick, kick. And then knowing when to make my move or when to apply pressure, when to punch, when to swim, when to dip and rip, right? Man, it's so many things that come into play, right? I'm just taking it as if I was playing receiver and just implementing the same thing as if I was playing.

The hardest part is, ocho, is that you don't know where the quarterback is. You know where you think he should be.

Right?

But how many times have we seen the offensive line, the tackles push the guy up the field only to have the quarterback run right into. See, normally that happens with mobile quarterback because they think they're running away from something on the front side and they run themselves into trouble on the backside. If you look at the most mobile quarterbacks, from Randall Cunningham to Lamar Jackson to Cam Newton to Mike Vick to all those guys, those are your most sacked guys. Now, obviously, Tom ends up breaking that record because Tom played so long, you expect the guy to play 23 years to end up being the most sacked quarterback in NFL history. But when you look at a lot of the mobile quarterbacks that didn't play nearly as long, they're way up there in sacks because while they could get themselves out of harm's way, sometimes they thought they were getting themselves out of harm's way on the front of the backside, only to run themselves into trouble into front of the backside. But it's going to be close because I don't think anybody.

It's not like TJ when he had.

22 and a half sacks, it was easy. Or when you had Aaron Donald have.

20 sacks, it's easy at detachle.

Do you know how difficult that is?

Yeah.

A D tackle having 20 sacks. Think about that. 90% of the time, Aaron Donald was double team. Oh, yeah, my bad. 87% of the time. What's the difference? 20 sacks as a detachle? That's insane and unheard of.

Yeah.

It was unbelievable. And the thing is, what was so impressive, because when I watched JJ Watt, JJ really had. JJ was kind of simple. JJ just had to rip. But he was so quick with his first step, and he was playing the five.

Yeah, wearing them guards out.

You wearing them guards out. Same thing with Bruce. Bruce was a five technique. Got over 200 sacks.

Yeah.

I don't know if that. I mean, maybe now with that extra game, if you can play.

They did what? Big man.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

To be able to move like that, man. That's a big boy, man.

But it's going to be very interesting.

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I'm anxious to see the MVP because it's not like Patrick Mahomes. When Patrick Mahomes had 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns, who else are you going to give it to, ocho? When you look at him last year he had 5000 yards and he led the league in passing yard, led the league in passing touchdowns, led the league in QBR and they had the best record. Well, it's easy now, I think, because now you got Christian McCaffrey doing what he's doing rushing and receiving and look at their record. You get a Brock purdy doing what he's doing. He's number one in QBR, number two in completion percentage. If he's averaging like nine point, almost ten yards, it'll be the highest yard for a completion since 1957. You got to go back to autogram and Van Brocklin, right?

What happens? Even what Purdy has done this season? I'm not saying I'm not Cleo. I can't predict the future. What happens if the Ravens defense has the formula to stop that juggernaut of our offense tomorrow? What happened if the Ravens Monday, if the Ravens beat the 49 ers, it should be hands down that the MVP is going to Lamar Jackson on what he's been able to do.

You feel that same way if Purdy them beat the Ravens, that it's Brock Purdy's?

Oh, yeah, it's a rap. It's a rap. Who else you going to give it to at that point?

I got something to say about it with Miami.

You know what, you're right. You know what? I'm moving too fast. I'm moving too fast. I'm moving too fast. You know what's funny? Have the Cowboys beat anybody over 500?

The Eagles Eagles two weeks ago.

Okay.

They did to beat Eagles.

Okay.

Have the Dolphins be anybody over 500 this season?

No.

Well, right now, what are the Broncos? Broncos are 500. So theoretically they're not over 500. They're not under, but they're not over. We'll see once the season is over, do they get above 500? But no, and that's been the knock and that's why this game is so important. And we're going to learn a lot about the Dolphins and the Cowboys because we need to see them. We see the Cowboys struggle on the road. We see the Dolphins struggle when they step up in competition, be at home or the road. So it's going to be very interesting. Can the Dolphins run the football to keep that undersized defense from just pinning their ears back and coming to get to? Because you know what? For a guy that's small, he's not that mobile.

You don't think he's mobile?

No.

I mean, he's not Lamar Jackson mobile, but he has very good pocket awareness, though.

No, I mean, he can move side to side with the. Gotta think. You gotta think like, okay, Peyton, man, you know Peyton. And you know who else? Tom Tom, Matthew Stafford, not going nowhere. They're old school pocket passing, but you think of somebody smallish, like a Kyle, I'm thinking, man, you ain't going to get Kyle on the ground. How you gonna get Kyle on the ground? Because he moved. You look at a Michael Vick, you thinking the smaller the guy is, the more elusive he's going to be.

Tua's not even built like that. But for what he lacks, this is the thing about it. For what he lacks in escapability, with his lower extremities, he makes up for in his accuracy. Yeah, two way accurate in the muffler. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I was going to curse again. I don't care what people say about him not having arm strength or arm talent. He is accurate and throws a catchable ball.

Yeah, me throw here every time. When you don't have, say, a Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes level arm, you have to throw with great anticipation. So your anticipatory skills, a Brock purdy, you have to be able to anticipate because in the NFL guys don't get open. You throw them open. Because that stuff that you do in college, oh, he opened. I'm going to throw it now. No, it ain't the NFL that's either picked or knocked down.

Yeah, you got to be special. You got to be a special one to be able to be open.

Exactly. Tua has zero russian touchdown this season and he has 55 yards rush. He has 55 yards rushing. But it's going to be interesting to see how the Cowboys attack him because if Tyreek plays, and I understand that.

Bland, he going to play. Okay, he's going to play.

But I understand that Duran, bland is having an unbelievable season and Gilly is playing well. But are you really trying to man them up on waddle and Reek?

Man who up?

I'm just saying they play a heavy, they're one of the most heavy teams that play the most coverage of hand.

And they're not going to change. They're not going to change because, you know, the Dolphins that come into that game to establish the run the same way the 49 ers did, the same way the bills did, the same way the Arizona Cardinals did, correct the run to open up the pass.

Right.

You know they are.

Yes.

You know they are. That's the exact same thing because this is a copycat league.

Okay.

When you watch film what worked on the Dallas Cowboys on the game that.

They lost, everybody ran the ball, right.

Goddamn James Cook had a goddamn, might have been a career day.

Yeah. 170 something yards rushing.

Well, what you think is Dolphins going to come in here and do, did.

You know this, ocho, I just saw this stat that Mostard had 19 rush touchdowns in his first eight years. He got 20 rush touchdowns. He got 20 touchdowns alone.

Yeah. This year.

It's amazing what a change of senior could do, which is why I say it's important where you go when you're drafted. It's important going to a team that's going to utilize you to your full potential and not allow you to go to waste. You do realize, what does that say? You come to the Dolphins, all of a sudden? You come to the Dolphins, all of a sudden, you got 20 touchdowns in a season. What happened if you could have had this production continuously when you first got in the NFL?

Well, his problem was he couldn't stay healthy. Remember, he was the running back in San Francisco when they went to the.

Yeah.

So his problem is that, ocho, you know, when you possess that kind of small, you got small joints. You can't have no block ankle and have that dorsal flexion to be able to pick him up and put him down. So he got dinged a lot.

Right.

So he's missing time this year. To his credit, he's been able to stay healthy.

Stay healthy.

Okay.

On the field, he's getting opportunity just.

Like.

He could fly, but you see.

He see, yeah, he could fly. He looks small in stature. Yeah, he looks small in stature. And they got him running between them damn tackles.

Yes.

When you grow up in high school, you got that kind of speed, all they're going to do is toss it to you, fidget to you. You got to come downhill. Even C Mack. Christian McCaffrey runs more between the tackles than you think. But I knew he could do it because I watched him, because Stanford had the most when he was at Stanford. That's a pro style offense.

Right.

And so I saw him run between the tackles, so I didn't think it was going to be a problem.

Problem. Yeah.

But properly now, as opposed to just, oh, we just go, he was the.

Workhorse with the Panthers.

Yeah.

He was too much of the workhorse and they ran the goddamn horse into the goddamn ground, which is why he stayed hurt and nicked up. But the balance that they have and the usage that they have over for him over there with the 49 ers, because you got so much around you, right. He ain't got to take the whole load.

It would be interesting. You know what I would like to know, ocho? How much does he practice during the course of the week? Because everybody doesn't understand these guys like a Kyle Shanahan. It wasn't like, hey, TD, Mike, TD got. Probably got Wednesday off, did a little bit of 907 because we had to say, hey, bro, you get 23, 25 carries every week.

Yeah, especially the running back. He's a smaller running back at that. So you want him to get in the days off, give you Wednesday off. Thursday, do something.

Do a little something Friday, pick it.

Up a little bit. Just so you in tune with the rhythm of the game and got the plays down on Fridays and you'd be ready to go Sunday.

That's how you work it, ocho. Today is the fifth, is the immaculate reception. Happened 51 years ago today. What's your favorite sports iconic moment?

That's easy.

What is? That's easy. Chat. Chat.

Y'all stay with me. Chat, y'all stay with me because y'all might not notice, but if you don't notice, I need you to use YouTube and Google once the show is over. Ronaldino, my guy Ronaldino got a standing ovation when they played against Real Madrid at the Bernabeo 2005 2006. He scored two goals. You don't understand how big that is. Let me give you for context.

For those of you in the kick.

No, he just scored two goals that day. His performance was so good, they playing away. Now, he was playing for Barcelona. They playing Real Madrid at home. So for context, let me get this to you. We playing the Steelers. Let's say today, for instance, I go out there and have a day like George Pickens, four for 195 and just say two tds. And when the game is over, the entire Steelers fans, the entire stadium, stands up and clap for me as I.

Walk out the stadium or as I come off, get subbed in or something. You hear how crazy that sounds, man.

One of the greatest moments. One of the greatest moments for me, being that I love soccer so much, there's so many different others. But to me, that's one of the greatest moments ever, is seeing Ronaldino get a standing ovation from the away crowd at Real Madrid for his performance in that game. El Classico.

For those that don't know, what about you?

Immaculate reception was cool. But that goddamn standing ovation, man, in a way, you don't understand how passionate soccer fans are. There's a true hatred and disdain for the opponent.

But normally, I think when people think iconic moments, someone on the field did something that you'll never forget, like the immaculate reception. You got Kurt Gibson hobble to the plate and you get the call or you get Malcolm Butler doing what he did in the Super bowl that is a moment like that, or you get Ray Allen's shot where he's backing up.

That's up there with that, Unc. That's up there with that. If anybody in the chat is a soccer fan or true soccer fan, please explain to UNC that that is an iconic moment that is up there with some of the best, including that of the immaculate reception. I think so.

Yeah, I think so, ocho. But you're saying, look, how many people watch soccer? That's the difference. Because it's a global sport, right? You're going to have 110 to somewhere. 100 and 2125 million. But the World cup, you got a billion people watching.

Billion.

Yeah.

Even if you want to say the World cup, where you had Messi and you had, what's the guy from France?

Yeah, I was at that game. It was crazy. The atmosphere was crazy.

What about you? Who you got?

I know yours is going to be a Jordan, I guarantee you, against Utah.

The walk off. Or you could say the moment where he going against the Lakers and he's going to dunk it, and then he.

Goes this and he switch hands.

Yeah, man, that was nice.

That was nice.

This tough.

It's so many moments, though.

Yeah.

I remember the miracle on Ice.

Oh, USA. Was that Russia?

Right? Was it Russia?

Yeah, it was against Russia.

Man. I would probably go, Ray Allen shot.

Game six, NBA Finals.

Oh, in the corner when the Heath fans was walking out the goddamn walk it out.

Because remember, they had already started to rope the court off. They were bringing the champagne out for.

The spurs to celebrate, right?

Because they had just filed. And what happened was mono made one of, made one, missed one, and Kawhi made one, miss one. So it left it as a three point ball game. And they ended up taking Tim Duncan out of the ball game. So that's why Chris Bosch was able to grab the rebound and through all that, to be able to hear Ray saying, cB, CB. And Ray gets the ball backpedaling, doesn't look down, lets it go. If he misses it, it's over. If he misses the shot, it's over. Yeah, because you're down three. There's not enough time to do anything, do anything else.

That was clutch.

You saw his release, how fast he released the.

Maybe Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson in.

A.

That's an iconic moment that changed the direction of Tyson's career, which was still.

I mean, Malcolm Butler to make that.

Play.

To see it, because we've seen guys like, oh, get a great jump on the ball. And what they do, they drop know, they do this right here. Oh, I was this close.

That this close. You know the funny thing about it on that Malcolm Butler play.

Yes.

Talk about being able to recognize the route recognition on the switch release. And most of the time, the receiver always gets there first.

Yes.

Nine times out of ten, one time, how you knew it was coming, and you beat the receiver to the punch.

Ocho, they should have checked out of it, because here's the thing. Once Browner, once he pressed the inside, you're done.

Yeah.

He has to be off so he can rub to make him go over. See, the problem was, Browner jammed him. So now Malcolm Butler can come right now. There's no interference, there's no obstacles in his way.

That's why he was able to get there so goddamn.

Because the thing is, somebody got to press, somebody's got to play off.

So Brandon Browner says, I'm pressing Malcolm Butler's off. So now he stymies it.

Malcolm Butler goes, because he knows what's coming.

Now.

He saw right away.

Yes.

And see, there's really nothing to hold him, because if I'm not mistaken, they motion marshawn the other way. So you know it's not a run because there's no back in the backfield.

Back in the backfield.

See all of that, okay. No back, no threat of run.

Boom.

We haven't seen them run the quarterback draw. I'm not worried about it, because even if they run the quarterback draw, that's not my responsibility. I got one responsibility. Beat the receiver to the point. Now, check this out.

Guess what happens if they run a.

They what if he went in and came back?

Yep. Kind of like, you see, Kansas City did that last year with two routes, whip routes. Kadarius Tony started go sky Moore getting to the other side.

Got him.

That would have been nasty.

But you know what, ocho, why you.

Don'T hand it off? The beast mode in that situation? I think they wanted Russell Wilson to be the hero.

It seems like that. Because here's the thing, ocho, I'm telling.

You.

You see this formation? If they run the fade, if they run a speed out, if they run a whip route, that's on me.

Yeah.

If they catch this ball, that's on you.

Right.

Anything other than that, I'm going to take it. I'm going to say what we studied on tape. When we see this alignment, we saw this. This is what they did 100% of the time. If they do something else out of this formation, I'm going to go up there to the podium, and say, that's on me. The way we coached them to do. We coached them to do that. And you got to live with it. You got to live with Ocho, you got to live with it.

You're right. I got one more. I got one more. I'm asking. I want to know what the chat thinks as well. The people that are listening and watching. Can we put Odell's catch with the giants, the one hander that I think eclipses him and makes him somewhat of an icon in today's game?

Well, what happened to put him on the map?

Can that be an iconic moment?

It put him on the map, but what was so, you know, they got crushed that game. They got beat by like 25 points.

Wait, they lost to the Cowboys that game.

They got the brakes beat off them. You know what?

The fact that I don't remember them losing that game because the catch had become really the headlines even though they lost.

Yeah, the catch, because Collieworth said it's.

The greatest catch he had ever seen.

So that is iconic moment to you then.

Sure.

Okay.

David Tyree's catch with his helmet, a guy that's a special teamer, Rodney Harrison, one of the better safeties of his era.

Is that ball out.

He couldn't get it out.

Couldn't get it out.

And they showed the clip. He couldn't catch anything that week, that Friday at practice, the ball beat him.

Woo woo. Yeah.

And then he makes the most difficult catch in the history of all.

And saved him. He saved him.

And now we know coach Belichick in a situation like that. Bomb blitz. So now, okay, all you got to do, Eli, do not throw this ball out of bounds. He's one on one, guys. Play it off. I lean him inside because I know I got to protect the inside because I don't want to get. And no, he hit plex ball game. That's all she wrote. But that was a tremendous. But they've been so many. Roger Maris, when he hit the home run in the bottom of the night to beat the Yankees.

Yo, I'm tripping, unc. We both play football. One of the greatest comebacks of all time. Patriots, Falcons, 28 three. We thinking the game is over.

But see, for a moment, it's got to be one play. It's got to be one thing.

It can't be.

Okay, one. Some, it's been, some it's too many. The Statue of Liberty play when Boise State beat Oklahoma.

Behind the back thing. Yeah, that was slick. I remember that. Yeah, that was real slick. Yeah, I didn't know what the damn ball was.

Joseph Parker stuns Deontay Wilder with a unanimous decision. Wilder suffered only his third defeat of his professional career as Joseph Parker earned a unanimous decision victory in the world heavyweight fight in Saudi Arabia. Devin Bell asks, ocho, who are your top five boxers today? Keep doing your thing.

That's a good question.

Yeah.

Listen again for me. Preference.

Bud.

Bud.

Number one pound bud.

Jerome Ennis.

Okay.

I don't know if, you know, if you watch boots. Yeah, man, listen, that's my dog, boots. I'm not thinking about belts and all that stuff. I think about all that, man. I'm talking about that. I like styles. For me, I'm flashy, so I like those type of fighters.

Shakur, Devin Haney, Tank, Caleb plant.

You look at the styles of fighters, again, people in the chat that also watch boxing. I'm not talking about belts and accolades and all that. I'm talking about you don't like types of fighters. I like Canelo's cool, but he's technically sound, ring iq. He's really good defensively.

But.

I need a little bit more flash to know. No disrespect to him and what he's been able to accomplish, but those I name that. You know what else? I learned about boxing, too.

You see how I love everybody when.

It comes to football? You see how I never talk about anybody? For some reason, I have a feeling if you have a fighter that you like, you have to only like that fighter, and you really can't like the rest of them. Like, you have to feel exactly the way that fighter feels about every other boxer, and that just don't work with me. I love all the motherfuckers, and I have an appreciation for the sweet science and what they do in the ring. And for some reason, I think I'm not supposed to feel like that, which is really weird, because I think in the boxing world, it's a little different. You have to be a fan of this fighter, and if you like them, you can't like nobody else. I get that, this weird feeling a little bit, and I don't like that.

I like boots, I like bud, I.

Like tank, I like shakur, I like Caleb plant. I like the flashy, flamboyant type fighters that get in and get out. Devin Haney, I like that. And you don't want to know. You know what else about all those people like his name?

What? I beat the ass.

I think the thing is, Ocho, is that because you name so many fighters in the same weight clan, like, if you said, okay, I like this heavyweight fighter. I like him at the heavyweight, I like him at the super middleweight. I like him at the light heavy. I like him at the welter, I like him at the junior. It's kind of like in the mean. When the four horsemen, when you had Sugar Ray Duran, Hagler and Hearn Hagler. Yeah, okay, if you like Hagler, Hagler was your guy. If you like Hearn, if you like.

Duran, Duran was your guy.

And then you had the fifth guy kind of on the outside was Iran Barkley. That's Saquon's uncle.

Right? So you understand that. I think it's almost somewhat like an unwritten rule. Like, if that's your guy, you stick to that guy and you can't switch sides.

I don't like that.

I hope the boxers out there, I hope they see this.

I like all you all.

I like all you all. I'm going to support all y'all. And if y'all won't smoke, we can spar.

We can spar.

If y'all want to go like do.

Your ribs and make you peel yourself, man.

I whip all. I whip all, man. And boy. Not know not to play with me, man. I'm at the city, man. I don't kidnap.

You got started too late, ocho. You got started too late. You're not going to see no fight.

Man, I've been fighting since 1972. What did you talk about, guys? No, I've been using these.

Fighting Liberty City and fighting that ring.

I've been using these, man. I've been a warrior, b. What you talk about, son? Stop playing with my top, b.

Bad.

Look here, all jokes aside, no, uncle, all jokes aside, I love them dudes. I love them dudes because their style of fighting remain private, entertaining, remain private.

Ask who you like, ocho.

Tank versus Devin Haney at 140.

Now that's a good one.

That's why he said, obviously, good fight.

All right, let me talk about the logistics of the fight.

Well, the logistics is going to be in Vegas.

It's going to be in Vegas.

Yeah, matter of fact, that could be 100 million dollar purse. Because he ain't got to go to Vegas. We could take it to Saudi Arabia.

It's something about fights that happen in Vegas. All the biggest fights.

Listen to me now. We could take it to Saudi Arabia for 100 million dollar purse, if you really want to talk. But anyway, listen, tank versus Haney, they don't need to do it now. They need to continue to let the hype continue to build, continue to build it will be a great fight. It will be a great fight. How it's going to go, I'm not sure. What is Devin going to do? He going to keep him at length. Keep him at length. But we know Tank. We've all watched Tank. Listen, he'll take one or two just.

To get up in there and he'll let go.

But Devin ain't sitting still. He getting in and getting out.

Getting in and getting out.

He's defensively sound, great footwork, as does Tank. I mean, listen, it's a chess match between two great chess players. And when that fight does happen, I can't wait. And then again, I like both them.

Who do I root for?

I like both of them. That's why I don't like that. If you like this fighter, you can't like.

No.

Nah, man. I'm room for Bud. I'm room for Tang. I'm room for Caleb. I'm room for boots. Hey, what?

Boots, man, let me take my glass off. Right, boots. Blood to make him put it right back on. Listen, blood, to make them put them right back on. Stop playing with it.

Listen, I'm DC. You trying. You trying to start something. I ain't trying to start none.

Hey, boots.

Boots and arrow.

I mean, not arrow.

Boots and goddamn bud.

They toolbox.

I'm saying, they toolbox. You know how you got tools when it's time to go to work?

Yeah.

Boyd and boy got a toolbox boy for show. Boyd and boy got a toolbox boy. I beat the ass, but they got a toolbox. I respect them boys. I know they're going to see this. And if they want to fight, they.

Know where to find me.

Choose one.

Philly. I'm in Philly every Monday. Can I.

You got to choose one. You want blue zenith or you want Bud? You won't tame?

Don't do that. No, don't do that. I just explained to.

So let me ask you a question.

I just said that.

How the hell I get you on ESPN? They ask you to pick the cowboys in the bill, and you say, I like both of them. That's the problem.

That's not the problem.

You know what the problem is?

The problem is you can't handle it.

It's not a problem. Do you understand what your job is?

Do you understand your job? Right? My job.

Let me tell you what my job is. I know my job and I know my purpose. My purpose is to enjoy the sweet science and to appreciate you not.

Can I finish? Can I finish? Can I finish? Yes. Let me finish. My job is to appreciate the sweet science as someone who does it part.

Time as a hobby and has submerged himself in it. If I tell you I like two fighters or I like four, I like five. Don't ask me who I like between two of them that I enjoy watching. Is that a problem? Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem.

You are an analyst.

You can like two things and have to pick one. You can like ice cream. You can like hamburgers and pick one over the other.

Why can't I eat the hamburger and the ice cream? Why can't I have the hamburger and ice cream?

Chat.

You understand why now?

Chat.

Do you understand why now?

Why now what?

You understand? What is the chat saying? The chat says they understand why Shannon won't bring you on first take because you have to pick one or the other.

Well, you know what? You know what?

I don't want to go on first take no more, okay? I don't want to go. I ain't changing for nobody. I ain't even follow the NFL rules and I ain't changed.

Yes, you did.

Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Yes, you did.

That's fine.

Let me ask you.

If you didn't.

Follow NFL rules, why did you wear home jersey away? Why did you wear away jerseys at home if you didn't follow the rules?

Because they wouldn't give me. Stop.

Exactly.

You did follow the rule.

They took all my little chains.

Let me ask you a question. If you ain't follow the rule, why you ain't line up off sides?

Why did you.

Get a moat?

You get a. Here's the thing, ocho.

Ocho, listen, I'm just telling you what this chat saying, but you should care.

This is how we make.

Lord have mercy.

Hey, you think I've been one way, right? Listen to me.

I've been one way always. I've always been one way. You want to know why we are where we are? Where we at? Because I'm remaining my true, authentic self and you trying to get me to change. And I'm never going to change, ocho. That's why this is going to work. I'm never changing. So stop asking me.

I like butt and I like boots.

And it's going to stay like that. I don't care what Simone Biles husband, old tweets resurfaced. Jonathan Owens, who didn't know anything about Simone Biles in 2012, said, damn, gabby is good, which means he knows something about gymnastics. Gabby with the goal. Gabby just need to get a bottom teeth fixed and then her smile would be cool. Why is there an asian coach coaching the US girls? So let me get this straight. You know who Gabby Douglas is. And outside of Mary Lou Ritten, the only american gymnast that can rival Simone Biles is Mary Lou Rhett. Not Gabby Douglas, not nasty Lucas, not any of them. Not any of them. Not Dominique Mochiano, not Dominique dolls. What's the little one? Carrie strugg. None of them can command the presence other than Mary Lou, who won the Olympics on american soil in 1984. And she was on everything. I'm old enough to remember. That was probably a little bit before your time, ocho, but I remember it.

I know you talk about, though.

I know you talk about.

Simone and Mary Lou are the most popular american gymnasts. Now you talking about Gabby Douglas. And. And they nicknamed her the fine squirrel. I know all the things they said about her hair. She need to get her hair straightened and she needs to do this. And I get all that. I remember it. But you know who Gabby Douglas is. But you mean to tell me you didn't have no idea who Simone Biles was, bro?

Well, maybe he didn't. I'm just saying. Does he actually watch gymnastics? Probably not. Maybe he saw some on tv. Maybe he saw an interview or something and then just tweeted.

If he's not watching, how did he know Gabby Douglas was good? How did he know she won the goal if he not. It's not a rhetorical question. I'm just asking.

Yeah, that's funny. One thing about Twitter is they will pull up them receipts, so you got to watch what you're saying. If you say something in the past, you got to stay in line and stay in tune with what you said, because as soon as you flip the script, they're going to hit you back. But is this you?

Well, what you got to do is stop lying. If you stop trying to make yourself more than what you.

Right, right. I'm what I am.

It's the same thing. Look at Serena Williams'husband.

That guy's a billionaire.

Alex Oron. I think that's his name.

Isn't that. How do you pronounce his last name? Ohani. Okay, Reddit billionaire. That's Serena's husband.

He's worth a billion. Serena's more famous than he is, even though she doesn't have the money. So you thought you were the catch. Here's the thing. And even if you were the catch, why would you say that to your wife?

What if they were just playing? What if they were just playing what if that's the way they let me ask you questions around and play around.

Rail know how you play, right, Roger?

Yeah.

My personality and you know how rail play.

Yeah, but I'm saying, look, there are.

Certain things because now you making it seem like she was thirsty or. I know who she was.

She hit me up. I see you going with it. I see you going with it. You know what? That's funny. You think people are maybe overreacting a little bit if they play like that and it's okay in understanding the delivery and what he's trying to say, and everybody else is taking it wrong. You think, are we overreacting on our end when they think about it differently, or.

No, I think the thing is that she was a really good sport because I think she knows how it's going to come off. I don't think he understood. And that's the thing. You have to understand.

Look, I'm happy for them.

I'm happy for her. I'm happy for him. She had this at the last olympics. She was dealing with some things, and I hope she can bounce back. She's as good as gymnast as I've ever seen. And I go back to a long ways, watching the Russians and the Chinese and the Romanians. Well, the Bulgarians before the. I mean, you know, Russia had everything because they had this big ass country. And you understood why they was winning all these damn medals because they had all these countries rolled up into. I just. Like I said, hey, like you said.

Ocho, that's their house.

Maybe they play like. Doesn't matter. You know what? It doesn't matter what we think. But I'm always mindful. Even if I play a certain way when I'm in public, I don't play like that.

Okay?

I think that's the funny thing about it. When you bring your relationship and your dynamic on how you guys operate, on how you guys are playful, then it opens up pandora's box based on how you guys operate, and everybody else on the outside really doesn't understand that. And so I think that's where we are right now. Maybe they understand, and maybe they play like that. Maybe they operate in that manner, but then it's viewed publicly a different way because we dive deep into it, right? Based on the context we have to go off of, based on the dialog and what you said.

I give you an example. You and I in the locker room, we in the barbershop, we be the boys. I tell that story, man, she was eye hustling the hell out your boy I know she wanted your boy because she blowing my box up. You thought I had a page of the way that thing was going on, my dean. Okay, you want your boy like that, that's a story I tell. That's for us. That's never going to leave. I'm never going to put that in the air. But like I said, that's their relationship. I wish them the best going forward. I'm happy for her. I wanted to go to Paris and get that gold medal this year and bring that thing home. I'm sure he's happy for her.

Hopefully.

I don't know, because I think it starts like July 26, and I think it goes to like August 14, 15th. It's about three weeks. I don't know. He probably going to have to watch that thing from television. I don't know if the packers are going to give him that kind of time off because that's such a long way to go and to get back. Maybe if it was in LA, because that's where he's going to be in 26. No, 28. That's where it's going to be in 28 here in LA. Even going to be more crowded. I can't even imagine getting on the four five or the ten or the 110, but okay. But hopefully, congratulations. I hope you have a long, prosperous, healthy marriage, and I wish you nothing but the best.

So take off.

He said, zach n says, I've been married for ten years. Trust me, this has planted seed. It would take work to uproot. Love you all.

Both.

Ocho, they said, list of professional people you wouldn't date. List of professional people you wouldn't date. The list. Number one, only fans model.

That's not fair.

I used to do only fans, but go ahead. Military men will say, why military men.

And women get such a bad rap, man. Can you explain that to me? It's a running joke on Twitter.

I think the thing is, because, you know, one thing about a military man, he gonna be structured. It's all about time. They love punctuality.

Yeah, but I ain't talking about that part. I ain't talking about that kind of running joke.

What?

But I'm just saying probably they make time for others.

Oh, yeah.

Well, you got, they got structure for other people.

Well, here's the thing, though, ocho. You got to realize as a military man, I'm only in an area a certain amount of time. I might be in San Diego, I might be in Norfolk, I might be over here. I might be over there. Okay. I might be in Guam. I might be in Puerto Rico. I might.

Right?

All I know, during the Vietnam war, there were a lot more black children that came back than when it was when we went over before we got over there. I'm just saying. And so you go to Puerto Rico and you go to Guam. You get what? And then they had ig, administrator, a lawyer, a pilot, firefighter, police psychologist, gynecologist.

Gynecologist?

What's wrong with the gynecologist?

What I want to know.

They got football player. You know they lie. You know they want to.

Why we own now ain't no reason we should be on there. The good devil is a lie.

Yeah.

And guess that was top ten. Number eleven. A prostitute. How you date a prostitute? I've tried to figure that out.

Time out.

I have a question.

Yes?

Hopefully, I got.

Do me a favor real quick.

Yeah. While we own the word prostitute.

Right.

Okay, I'm going to stop right there real quick.

Read my bio. Read my bio to me real quick for the chat. My bio on Twitter.

Read it for me.

Just to just give you a better context. I hate the word prostitute. I hate it to death. But read my bio on Twitter real.

Quick for the chat.

Chat. Listen real close.

Listen real close with an open mind.

Send me his link.

I want you to tell me what you think about when you think about it, when you read it, Chad. Tell me what you think now. With an open mind.

Are you verified?

Yeah.

Put Chad Johnson. Don't put Ocho Sinco.

I put Chad Johnson because I saw a girl that had your name and she blue check mark. I said, well, how the hell she get Ocho Cico?

No, I think that's me, because my avatar is a Colombo. A black.

Huh. Okay. Hello.

Okay, so McDonald's is cheaper than therapy.

You got to read it to the chat so they can hear you.

Hello?

McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. Never forget, you're paying for sex. Indirectly, but word relationship changes the narrative. Is that what we're going for?

Yeah, that's what we're going. Now listen to it again.

Yeah.

I like to think I can read rail.

All right.

Rail just donated $50. Said all men I deployed with were who were married, cheated.

Who said that?

Rail.

Rail said she was in the military. Was rail in military?

Yeah.

Boy, rail a trooper boy. And she know how to work that fire?

Yeah, she could shoot.

We didn't been to the gun range. I lost twice. Wait, she donated how much?

$50.

The hell are we going to do with that?

We going to spin it an influencer is number twelve a politician, a truck driver politician? Yeah. A teacher, a model, a carpenter. And this is what I didn't know was an Occupation or profession. A Florida man. How the hell is that a profession? A Florida man.

Who added that on there?

If it 8ft.

But y'all knew. Y'all Florida beyond some bullshit. If you go in the course of a day, if you look at the ten most outrageous, ridiculous stories, six of.

Them from Florida, six of them. You know, it's just funny.

If you look at all occupations, if you look at all occupations here, that.

Really takes away any and everybody out.

Of the dating game, right? You can't date no goddamn body based on this list.

You right.

That's ridiculous.

I think for some of the people.

On this list, it takes a very strong person to date. Only fans. Model a very secure man, whether it be woman or man. Either way.

I don't know here, but I'm an only fan.

Now.

She might have had a bunch, but I'd be.

Look, they got teachers. What's wrong with teachers?

I don't know.

Models.

A carpenter.

What's wrong with a carpenter? You know what it's like to have a man that lives in the house that can do handiwork. That's a plot.

I can do handiwork, but not the kind you think. You know what I'm saying? Come on, bro, they're just putting stuff up here. Look, I understand that occupation. Like a police officer puts his life or her life on the line, you kiss them, be right. You kiss them, they leave and you don't know. You just pray and hope. Firefighter, you run in while other people are trying to run out. Right, I get that. But, man, come on, man. A truck driver, that's a hard working.

Man, but they always on the road. Now, I heard about the truck drivers in the glory hole on the roads now. Yeah, I heard the stories. We know.

This is the list of.

I'm trying to figure out what you all want to date. Next time, you all need to come up with a list of what people.

That you can date because you all.

Got all this up here. You all ain't dating nobody.

Boy, that's crazy. That's crazy.

I ain't going to date no prostitute. She ain't going to date you. She ain't going to let you mess up her hustle.

You talk about, bro, listen, what is the definition of prostitution? Getting money in exchange for what?

Sex.

What was the last sentence of my goddamn tweet?

Well, you said my bio. You say they pay money.

But y'all call it, say, what's the difference? Listen to. Look, McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. Never forget you're paying for sex indirectly, but the word relationship changes the narrative.

Some of them charging too much, then they need to cut the price. They need to cut the price.

I'm just saying, you see how words move the goalpost? Depending on the word you use, it makes no sense. I could be wrong, or I might be overthinking psychologists.

Like I said, I ain't going to look here.

Psychologists and therapists, that's under the same umbrella or no?

Yeah, pretty much.

It's rough.

It's rough for everybody.

But you know what?

It seems like a lot, I guess.

Because you look at only fans, that's men. Military men, that's women. Id administrator. That could be, either way, a lawyer. A woman don't want a lawyer. I thought they like someone that's dressing up every day and going and arguing in front of court and winning these big settlements and all that. Bring on that bread. I mean, if you're a man, you want somebody. Oh, I want someone educated. I want somebody yada, yada, yada. So I'm just trying to figure that out. A police officer. We already got the pilots. They're on the road also. And yeah, I saw that Denzel movie.

Yeah, flight was good, man.

Great.

That was a good movie.

A football player.

What role? Football player.

I don't know what they tell me. I don't know why that's in there. I don't even know why that's in there. Because football players are great men. They are good men. Good men. Good men.

Yeah. Good.

In the community, most of the players got foundations. How many? Walter Payton, man of the year.

Yeah.

And what they do in the community, raise hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars for their charity. A politician. Okay, I'm a little politician. Because they lie.

Yeah, listen, you can't be a politician unless you lie.

Exactly.

The greatest politicians lie because you have to do one thing in order to get the vote. You have to promise us, promise stuff.

That you would never deliver.

Promise stuff. You have to promise the people things that will never, ever happen, and you have to make us believe it. The greatest politicians are great at that.

Yeah.

Making empty promises that are never going to come to light.

I agree 1000%, which, ocho, you ain't for the.

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Tyrone pace with Ocho. You need a swear jar. $20 every time. A curse word. Then you can donate that to a lucky fan after each month.

I ain't even curse. Yeah, I agree.

I ain't even curse.

Yeah, you can curse.

I've been controlling.

Don't worry about. We fit to keep a count on it. Chat, keep account on it. You all good at counting? Because I got to.

I didn't curse the whole show today.

I ain't even curse.

I'm going to let them handle that. I got other stuff to do. I got to get us in and out of conversations. I got to read these topics. So I'm going to let the chat handle that. Faith, who's one of our most trusted and loyal followers. Faith been here from the jump. She's a mod. Hi, Shannon. My amigo, Ocho. Even when you go to McDonald's, you choose a side. I believe if you read the art of war, you'll learn how to craft an argument without drawing blood from your brothers. You got this, Ocho?

Yeah.

Art of war. I like that book, Maxi. Art of War is sitting over here on my bookshelf.

That's Mr. Gladwell, ain't it? That's Sunzoo.

Nah, art of war.

That's Mr. Gladwell. Hold up. Or am I tripping? You tripping.

Art of war, Mr. Gladwell.

No, what are you talking.

Quoted is one of the most quoted books if you're a football player, if you do anything about competition.

I thought it was Malcolm Gladwell. I'm looking.

No, I don't know.

I might be wrong. I don't want to get up.

No, you have to get up, but absolutely wrong. I don't know a whole lot of authors, but I know who that was by. I got that book.

Listen, Malcolm Gladwell, Robert Green, and it's one more. I got a bunch of them over there, but okay. I like what she said. I like what she said. I like what she said.

Sun, you.

Oh, the art of. Don't. I don't have that one. I don't have that one.

That's a great book.

But you know, Malcolm Gladwell. You know what I'm talking about, right?

That's a great book, Ocho.

I got to get that baby rail for Christmas. Give me the art of.

Mean. Just read mean. It's a long book, but it has some great. It's about fighting. It's about knowing when to fight, knowing when to retreat. It's about knowing how to do a lot of things. Get in and get out. That underscore one underscore operator. Ocho and Unc, what's the most you have to spend on a date with a female? I'm in a different place now, Ocho. When I told a story in the beginning, I was a rookie. I ain't had bread like that. I got bread now. I'm secure.

When she tried to get that lobster.

Yeah.

I was looking to, you know, I would look at me, crack me a couple of legs like honey Dundee.

What I'm going to do and see.

If all the king heartbeat could put them back together again. But I ain't got nothing to do with it. That was a long, long time ago, that 30 plus years ago. I don't even behave in that Manner. Nikki Grant. I think Nikki is one of ours also, ain't she? She's been here from the jump.

Nikki.

Good people, Nikki. Make sure we get your question. I asked this question to you guys, to every guy I know. So I'm going to ask y'all what's the sexiest thing a woman can do for.

The guy? Because every guy, everybody got different.

Look here, don't buy no lingerie. I don't need that. Don't go to La Perla. I mean, Fredericks of Hollywood. I mean, that's nice. Vicky's secret. Don't even go to a cousin Susan secret. No, I want you to cover to that room a t shirt.

Your decade. That's all I need. That's it. That's it.

Listen, for me, that ain't going to last.

But how long you think that stuff's going to stay on? I mean, honestly, come on, chat women. And I ain't got no problem with that. I understand that. You want to look good for your man, you want to feel sexy for your man. I get all that. The only thing I'm thinking, I'm in my head, I'm just counting one, because I need to leave it on for at least three minutes. So she feel good, say she ain't just waste the money. So I'm counting three, four.

Yeah. Sick. God dang.

You did it for your boy this time, baby.

You got to fake.

All I'm doing is counting. I'm just trying to make it to three minutes.

Yeah.

Because in actuality, as soon as she walked in the room, I would attempt to tear it up off her.

Right. Yeah.

I'm just being real with it now. I don't know. I'm just speaking for me now. Some men might want their woman to have on a different outfit. Black, I mean.

Okay.

But for me, honestly, I do like some sexy underwear. Look at ocho.

Right?

Ocho. I ain't talking about the underwear. I got to put my hands in, like, to hit or pull them down. I'm talking to one. I put my thumbs in to get them up. Right. You know, you want. You got to hook your hand.

Just.

To get it down.

I need the one.

I get the thumbs, right?

Yeah.

You know what? I'm pretty simple when it comes to that. Real really doesn't like this. I like when the hair is messy. I love when a hair is messy and all over the place. She doesn't like that. To me, that is sexy. To me, when you have a bonnet on, it's weird. I don't know where it comes from, but I have a fascination for her. When she has a bonnet on or she has her hair wrapped up, that is sexy. One thing I always ask, and I've ended relationships for this. Always have your feet and nails done. Always have your feet nails done.

I don't care. Her feet and hands.

I don't care about nothing else. I have my favorite colors and real notice. Opi, funny bunny, opi, essie blanc. Those are my colors. If you want to go cotton candy. I love that too. Because of your complexion, you know, it look good as well. You know what? Dark colors, because it bounce well off the complexion. Based on what you're wearing. I can go into detail.

You do it too much when you come in there and you dig it, and I see them high quarters, that's it. I go blind. I don't even know if you got arms or not. I don't know if you got feet or nothing.

I don't play about that.

Me either.

But listen, them feet and nails and just a tank top.

That's it.

I don't need all the underwear. And like, Frederick, and I ain't trying to hear all.

Joe Joe. I don't see all the crotch. List the onesies and all that, and it's nice. Don't get me wrong, right? But O'Shea, ready, shay? Ready.

Regardless.

Right?

You covered it with a straw hat. You covered it with a blue jean. You covered it with a flip flop. Oh, it's going down regardless.

Hey, what kind of hat?

A straw hat? You have a toothpicky mouth. All I care.

Hey, that's funny. Hey, at that point, Dabo Joe. That's funny.

Your name could be Rosalie. I don't get nobody name nothing. What did you.

What did clock in? Listen.

Oh, Joe, I don't want to come off it like I'm ungrateful, because I.

Appreciate her trying, right?

I want Shannon to know that I appreciate him. And I took my time to go pick this out. I think this is his favorite color. I think he's going to really like this, and I am, don't get me wrong.

But that's why you got to know your man. You got to know who you're dealing with. That's very important. You got to know who you're dealing with, because what someone else will like. The person you with might not like it one time what you did in your past relationship. The next person might not like it. I think they call it love languages. Yeah, you got to know that. Individual love language. Oh, my goodness. Love languages.

Yes.

You'd be on the same page. If you're on the same page, you all get to turn each page together.

Yeah, but one time. Now, you could do it one time, but that ain't no normal occurrence. Every time we out of town, we go somewhere, or we go and you changing. I'm like, I want to clock. I can't be standing to no midnight, no 01:00, waiting on you to freshen all. Hey, come on. You come up out of the gym for all I care. I'm with it.

Right?

So, Nikki, I hope the sexiest thing a woman can do for me is they come on, baby, when she say, come on, baby, I'm with it.

You know what time it is? Where you at?

Rail.

Send us some money. She sent us $50, baby. Send us 1000 real quick if you love me. If you really love me, baby, send us 1000.

God dang. Ocho.

Send us 1000.

Earl Caldwell said, ocho. And how did do you all deal with failures and disappointment? I had a golden opportunity. Everything laid out and messed it up.

I know what that feel like.

You heard me.

I know what that feel like.

Go ahead, failure. Hold on. Failure in messing up, boy. Go back.

I went right back to the drawing board. Right back to the drawing board. I ain't hanging my head. Went back to the drawing board. Put together a plan, a six month plan on what I want to do and continue to chop and chop and chop and chop until I hit that goal. And I had to start small in small increments I had to start small in small increments and go from there.

Because it was building blocks for me to get back to where I fell from. And it took time.

So I started small. And then gradually, as I started to have success in small areas, I started to make those goals a little bit bigger and continue to reach them over and over and over. And boys, it's a tedious process, too. All we need is a little discipline.

It is, ocho, I look at it like this, there are really no failures. They're just delayed successes.

Boy, wait, you ain't going to give me that good gym.

There are delayed successes. There are lessons learned. You see, the thing is, Ocho, is that I'm a firm believer. You never judge a man by where he's standing because you don't know how far he's come. See, you look at the man that's laying on the street. But how about, what if he was under the bridge just yesterday? See, you judge a man by where he's standing, not knowing where he came from. You see, a lot of people say, well, Shannon, it's either for you to say that because you this, but you didn't see from 1968 to 1988. See, that's what you didn't see. And you didn't see Shannon go to bed hungry, and you didn't see Shannon not take a bath. And you didn't see Shannon get rained on. And you didn't see his granny crying, asking, what am I going to pay for today? Do I keep the lights on so you can do your homework? Or do I keep the phone connected so we can call somebody if there's an emergency? What am I going to do this month? So while you judging me for what I am now, do you know where I came from?

And did you know how long it took me to get here? See, all you see is my successes.

But you didn't see the delayed opportunities that was missed.

Cried of many a night. A lot of people prayed. This is not about me, because I know my sister prayed. I know my grandmother prayed and they're praying. And God heard prayer that I didn't even know he was listening to.

For.

Me to know what my grandmother, my grandmother raised her nine and took my mom's three and I put it on everything. She loved us, her three grands more.

Than she did her own.

It's something for somebody to take somebody else's kids and love them as they're your own. So for me, there are no like the Broncos didn't want to resign me, the Ravens cut me, CBS cut me, fox cut me. That ain't gonna stop me because I know God got something bigger. You close one door, there's another door open. Sometimes he'll make you move. Because you know what? You weren't going to do it on your own. He said, you know what you need. I've been trying to tell you to leave, but you wouldn't leave. So guess what? I'm going to give you no choice now. What you going to do?

Come on there. Come on, preacher.

So for me, ain't no failure.

I'm a huge success. I left Glenville, Georgia, population 3500 when I was there. 1000 square foot cinder block, ten roof.

No pampering, 1000 sqft.

Sometimes ten people at a time, no indoor plumbing, no running water.

And to get here, man, please, because I already know.

I know God will never leave me, because I know he didn't bring me this far. Just to bring me this far. He going to take me all the way home. And no matter what they say, they can't stop it. Progress must progress. So whatever they say about me, he loud, he this, he that, y'all can't stop it. Because what's for me I'm going to get, regardless of what they say, regardless how many times they use my name, no matter how many times they say they don't like me, it does not.

Matter because I've got a higher purpose.

Because I know there's one man, I don't know how many women, I don't know how many men, but I know there's one man that knows what's in here.

Yeah.

So all that other stuff they'd be talking on, Joe, all them fail. See, everybody see the successes, everybody see. Well, man, look at man. He 7th round draft pick with the Pro Bowls and had all the records because when I left the game, I had all the records of the tight end, most yards in a game, most yards for a career, most catches, most touchdowns, had it all. Three Super Bowls, had it all and a gold jacket. But you didn't see all the times that I came up short. But that wasn't going to stop me because I saw a bigger purpose because I laid next to my grandma until I was 15 years old and I saw her cry many a night. I saw her pray a minute and I had no idea what she was praying for. But I believe right now she was saying, lord, take care of that baby boy. He can be something. So that's what she prayed for. So that's my purpose. So they do all that talking, they won't. All that gossiping, they do all that, they won't. I know me, and I don't care about the people that don't know me or don't love me.

All I need is the people that.

I care about to care about me.

All that other stuff, ocho.

Don't matter. Yeah, it don't matter.

We spend too much time.

If you really understood how little people.

Actually thought of you, you give less than a damn what they actually thought about you because they don't care about you. You worried about somebody that don't care about you? I worry about the people that care about me. That's what I care about. All that other stuff. O cho, we need to cut that out. All that gossiping. I don't talk about nobody. Live your life, because whatever you do, don't take money out of my pocket.

Right?

So why I care? I ain't going to got time to gossip.

Talk about you. For what?

Because you don't move the needle for me. You're not putting no money in my pocket talking about you. Why would I talk about somebody when God has blessed me tenfold more than he ever should have?

Right?

I hadn't been this good, but I've done something right in my life. For him to continuously bless me, that's all I care about. There are no failures, just delayed successes. That's how you have to look at life. Maybe you didn't get the woman you like. Maybe you didn't get the job you like. Maybe you didn't get the man you like. Maybe you didn't get the promotion you like. But keep fighting, keep hanging on. It's coming. It's coming. My grandfather used to always say, boy, sunshine follows rain.

Even Noah.

It rained 40 days and 40 nights. But guess what, ocho? The sun came out on the 31st date. That's something I always believe. No matter how stormy it get, the waters will become soon. So no matter how rocky my road is, it's move sailing ahead soon.

No joke.

I believe that.

Yeah.

I'm sorry for the red guys. I'm sorry.

That was good. Listen, I appreciate that sermon.

Rail. Rail.

Did she send us our money?

No, she said she broke. She said she bought you a gift, and she said she ain't ate. She said that's all she got. As a matter of fact, you ain't getting up for your birthday because she went all out for this criminal gift. Lady Ray, who's also been one of our loyal listeners. Shannon Ocho, if you could change or get rid of one NFL rule, what would it be and why? Amazing show as always, guys.

Man, that's a good question. What rule would you get rid of? I don't even know, ocho.

I would say the uniform rule, but you know how we are.

Ocho, what's wrong with the uniform?

Because I'm saying, you know, let the guy, my college coach said, I can't let y'all go. He said, because y'all gonna come out here like an all tournament team. You gonna have on ponies, you go have on Nikes. You go have on saying, I know what you mean. We gotta have a uniform rule because we already see guys now, ocho, some of them come out there with socks. Somebody got orange and blue socks. Somebody got all white socks. Somebody got tight. You know what, ocho? As much as the rules, they've legislated the intimidation, they've legislated a lot of the physicality out of the game of football. I think it's good we're at a different place, because when you know better, you do better. We know some of the hits and the punishment the guys were taking was leading to injuries. Now, you play an inherently dangerous game. That's what football is. Look, you can only make the car so safe, but after you get to a certain speed, still things are going to happen, ojo.

Happen.

Yeah, you got big men running into bigger men at a high rate of speed. The dimensions of the field hadn't changed. Look, I get it. They don't let you do the wedge anymore, ocho. I think they still had the wedge when you got in. Where we have three in the wedge weigh 1000 pounds. You get your three, two of your biggest defense alignment and one offense alignment, and they hold hand and they come in and try to wipe everything out. They did away with that. The running start on the kickoff, where I used to get 1015 yards, go full speed. But I think celebration, as long as the guys didn't do anything that was sexually insinuated or they didn't do anything that was violent related, the throat slash and all the gun stuff, the celebration, I'm. Let them celebrate. Let them celebrate. Now, I ain't going to let you bring no phone, because you already know if you let people celebrate to the extent that they wanted to, somebody calling the uber, somebody go have a pizza or a burger delivered, ocho, you know, they would. I'm waiting. I'm just waiting for somebody to have a burger.

Go to the side and grab the bag and start eating a burger right on the side of the field.

I'm trying to think of a rule, a rule I would change because the rules are so lenient now as opposed to when I was playing. They out there celebrating. They doing group celebrations. They hitting the temptations routine on the.

Field because back then we couldn't celebrate. You couldn't celebrate as a team. You had to do it individually. Because once somebody back, hold on, bro, you better get me fired. 5000 backup.

Backup.

Yeah. I don't know. I like the way football was played during our era. It was football. There was a certain intimidating factor that defenders were able to impose on offensive players. And with that being gone, I think everybody's a lot more comfortable and relaxed with just doing anything out there like the one hand catches.

Well, you know, that's because of the rules, ocho, man, you wasn't going to be parading over the middle of the field like that. You might have did it one time, but I bet you wouldn't bring your ass back.

I'm catching and making a business decision. Just like Isaac Bruce and Tory Hope and Marvin Harrison, who would have covered.

They kept a pillow as soon as they caught that ball over the middle. Yeah, they sleep.

Business decision.

You got to all those guys. You see, Marvin ain't no size now, so you can imagine. And what he has now, that's kind of like old age weight. He's in his forty s now. He's close to. He's probably about 48, 49, I think Marvin came out. Marvin was in that 96 draft with Keisha and Musa Mohammed and all those guys.

Yeah.

But I'm okay with that. Yeah, I get frustrated because I think some of the stuff that they call it is that when you call stuff like the receiver, like aman St. Brown got hit, man, you charged that man $43,000 for that.

That ain't no $43,000 hit coming down.

And just button up on the safety.

That ain't no $43,000 hit. J smart guy in their pockets.

Go ahead.

Okay. J smart guy asks, if you were ever in a situation where Ray Lewis hit you like he hit ocho, how.

Would you react the way I did.

When I got up from the whooping?

You don't even remember that I hit somebody.

Man.

Look here, man, when you outweighed, you got to catch them. You can never let a guy bigger than you see you come.

I tried to catch him. He wasn't even looking.

It ain't work.

The laws of physics are undefeated. In that case, I should have won, but I tripped over my shoestring, and it caused me to lose leverage. So when you have no leverage and I have no base up under me, that's what made me fall.

A volkswagen bug going to lose against a dump truck every time.

Every time.

Every time.

You ain't a lie.

Bingo. Said, love the show, guys.

Ocho, when you and tio going to come out of retirement and help my home reach the Super bowl? Oh, don't tempt what they play at tomorrow. They play in Kansas City, because if they do, t o be on a.

Play right now, but t in shape, too. Mess around and put t on that team in the slot and watch what happened.

He said, sharp, man, I ain't going to give you no fidgets now, but I give you 15 good ones.

I said, T-O-I didn't want after my.

Mind, ocho, because, you know, like I said, when cbs called and I met with them, that was the first time in my life I actually thought about doing something else other than playing football. It changed me, because that's why they say you got to be careful talking about retirement, because if you're not careful, you'll retire yourself prematurely. Yeah, and so that was really the first time that I thought about something. And then afterwards, man, I was at that thing for like two. They go to training camp. I saw them because I had a photo shoot the day they left to go to training camp. So I was having a photo shoot the next day. So I went by and saw the guys, and everybody was happy to see me. And Mike even told me, may say, hey, 84, I know you're in shape, so if you ever change your mind, we got a spot for you. I said, mike, I appreciate that, Mike. I said, but my mind is elsewhere now.

You were checked out already.

I was already checked out, and I told you, I said, t o, bro, you ain't took no lick. Even though it's not as physical as it was when you left. I said, but you ain't took no.

Man. T. Damn, they're bigger than all them boys right now, man. All the linebackers undersized. They move sideline to sideline. I don't know. The physical aspect of the game is gone to where that don't even count no more. You can't even say that, ocho.

Just people falling on you sometimes, ocho, you know, sometimes guys falling on you, it wasn't a hit. The guy just 250, 60, 80 pound guy just landed on you.

Just falling on you.

Come on, bro, you ain't have to.

Fuck.

Come on, man. You could have just touched me down, man. They jump on you and everything. Come on, bro. Ain't even necessary.

That's a good one.

Prometheus 19 six donated $100. Ocho and Unc, could you fellas wish my dad a merry Christmas? He's currently deployed and watches every one of your episodes. Our family laugh and joke about you guys on the daily. It would mean a lot, bro.

Merry Christmas.

I don't know your dad. I wish you'd put his name in here. Because he's deployed, we want to thank him for his service, and we want to thank all of our military men and women for their service to keep this country because you allow us to do what we do, because you do what you do domestically and abroad. So thank you for your service, sir, and wish you a merry Christmas and a very happy new year. Look, he said, wish him a merry Christmas because a lot of times we have to be politically correct. We couldn't say merry Christmas. We got to say happy holidays. Well, when somebody say, wish my dad a merry Christmas, I'm going to wish his dad a merry Christmas, because that's the way he presented to me. So, Prometheus 19 six, thank you, your dad. Merry Christmas. And tell him, thank him for his service. Apache hall. Could you wish my grandma Gloria a happy birth? Happy 72nd and 20 eigth birthday.

Hello.

Can we sing happy birthday or are.

We going to get. She raised me to the man I had.

Happy birthday.

So happy birthday, granny. Happy 72nd birthday, grandma Gloria. Happy birthday. And many, many more to come, hopefully. I don't know what you wanted for your birthday, but people ask me, say what you want for your birthday. I said, I want God to open my eyes. After that, I take anything else? Bad channel. What you most looking forward to tomorrow? I don't know about the rest of y'all, but that's what I'm looking forward to. Arrell ac said, hey, ocho, the greatest rot runner ever and the greatest ever in my life. My wife's birthday is today. Can you wish her a happy birthday? We watch every night. Happy birthday.

Happy birthday.

We don't know how old you are. We don't know your name, but happy birthday.

Happy birthday. Oh, my bad.

Sorry.

Rashard Lee. I don't know. I think I knew a Rashard Lee once upon a time. Unknocho. What makes a great route?

Hmm, that's a good one. That's a good one for me, obviously, being able to run the entire tree, being able to run the entire tree in man to man, being able to get from point a to point b as fast as possible within the timing of an offense and just being getting open consistently.

I think what makes a great route runner for me is imagination, because you can't run it every time. Just like they drew it up on the sheet, ocho, they got guys putting hands on you. Go to ten. The guy standing. What you want me to do? Run over the top of it? You got to have imagination. I've got to be able to be creative in my technique and my thought process to do exactly what Ocho said. Get from point a to point b as quick as possible.

But that's the easy part.

Now, transition. Get in and out of that break, because we've seen guys and they throw that blink on, blinkle, blinkle, and here come that DB driver and knock it down. You got to be able to transition. Drop me.

Get in and out.

That's it. That's everything.

That's the whole thing, is being able to drop them hip. Transition. I ain't never slip on a speed out. I ain't never slipped on a basic cross. I bought that thing.

I bought it bad. What?

Yeah, I'm dead.

That's crazy.

Ojo, your boy had more moves than the only fans, woman. You know what I'm talking about, Ojo. I had moves like. I had moved like that. You better stop playing.

You had them kind of moves.

I was a route running extraordinary at the tight end position. You have to understand, ocho, I got drafted as a wide receiver so I could run the route.

You already had the pedigree. It was already in you.

So Mike didn't have a problem putting me out there. Running the bang eight, running the comeback, running the dig. Run the shape, run the chips.

He was out there running the bang eight from top of the numbers.

You better stop playing with the back foot. Back without the foot. Hit seven, I'm a bang.

What? Yeah. Okay.

I got to see that.

You better stop.

Run the shape, ocho.

Come on.

I got to see it. Wrong with that. Just pull it up for me. I could find it at NFL Films. Don't worry about it.

Voodoo lobster 79 donated $100 and ask Unconocho world, y'all. Rate Max Verstappen 2023 f one season in terms of all time domination, he won his third straight title, won 19 or 23 ever. 23 races, which is the most in a season, most points ever in a season. Doubling his teammate who was second. Look Schumacher was it. I remember shoe. Michael Schumacher. Hopefully he's doing well. He had a very tragic accident that left him in a situation, a skiing accident. Lewis Hamilton, I know of him. I don't know these guys. And that's as far as I go back, is Schumacher. Lewis Hamilton and Verstappen. Come on, bro. 19 to 23 races. 19 to 23 races.

That's crazy. That's crazy.

I think you drive for Red Bull because I think Lewis Hamilton is Mercedes.

Yeah.

You were Red Bull. I was the f one. I did with f one in Vegas. I was the f one here in Miami. Great experience. Yeah, great experience.

I want to go to Monte Carlo. I want to go to Monte Carlo.

Monaco.

Monaco. Monte Carlo. They got one in Monte Carlo too. Where they got.

Monaco.

No, they might have one. Monaco.

Monaco.

To me, I don't feel right in that environment a little. It's very, how do I say it? Very like Beverly Hillish. Very.

They got money there.

Yeah, there you go.

There you go.

They got long money. They got that just.

That wasn't my type of environment, but I enjoyed the experience that I was able to see those cars up close like that.

Brandon Robinson asked Uncle Ocho, who's your greatest running back receiver? I got Marshall fault.

Yeah, that's a good one, too.

It's going to be interesting to see, excuse me, where c Mac Christian McCaffrey ends up. But in my era, Marcus Allen was one of the ones that could catch the football play. 17 years. Al wasted a lot of his years doing him wrong. Had him running full, had him block it for Bo Jackson. But Marshall Ladanian, lt had tremendous hands.

I forgot about lt. Yeah, he's the first to rush.

I think lt rushed for like 1601 year and caught 100 passes. So that just goes to show you what type of running back that he was. But probably Marshall. Roger Craig was the first to do 1000, 1000 in the same season for the 49 ers.

Obviously. High stepping ass.

Yeah.

But probably Marshall because I think Marshall is. Because I think Marshall could have been a receiver if he wanted to. Because he had that getting up out of there, you know who a guy, I don't know if you know him.

Eric Metcalf from Cleveland.

Eric Metcalf. We're number 21.

Man.

Was like that came out of here before me from Texas. Man, you talk about a pretty running style. It was.

Yeah.

Hey, he had to run track.

Yeah, that's what it was.

He had that pretty track running style.

Like a paladin pride. He be stepping on him. But that in and out. Get going on you, sir. Kate King says unconocho love the show. Huge fans. Two questions. Is Fred Taylor hall of Fame worthy, and how good was B Dawkins? I only played against Dolph once, and if I'm not mistaken, I think it might have been his rookie year. 98. Did B Dog come in in 98 or 97? Because I played against him in 98 when he was at the Eagles, and I think he was a rookie, so I didn't have a whole lot of dealing with him. I'm a lot older than guys, man. I'm 55, man.

Yeah, I played against B Dog once. The Fred Taylor question. Without a doubt.

Yeah, without a doubt. 96. Okay.

B Dog came in in 96. We played against the Eagles in 98. That was the year we followed by back to back Super Bowl. I mean, we beat them so bad, I couldn't tell you anybody. You know, who was on that team then? Actually, he the DB coach at the Cowboys with the. Harris.

Al Harris.

I ran a comeback on it. Pull that up. And I ran a comeback on him and jumped over his head.

I don't know about that, but I.

Got to see, I caught the ball. I was so high up. He split my legs. He went underneath.

I can't pull it up.

Are you sure?

Al Harris. Green Bay packets Al Harris. He was in Philly. I know. I'm saying, are you sure that's the same Al Harris we talk about the.

Internet to find it. Ran a comeback on him.

You jumped over his head.

I went up there and called him. He went up. I don't know. All I know, I was so high.

Up, he like, yeah, hey, Chad, somebody got to find that footage for me and tweet it to me, please.

Put it up, chop it up, and see and tweet it to me, please.

I need that.

Francis Seno in 2023, if you see Ray Buchanan in a snowstorm and his truck is broken down and yours is running perfect, would you pick him up? Absolutely not. Well, there better not be no snowstorm in LA. If it's a snowstorm in LA, some stuff really about to go down. Ojo.

Something wrong.

Really about to go down. But, man, I hadn't seen Ray in probably 25 years.

Damn. For real? Yeah.

Especially with social media. Social media bridges the gap where it's easy to communicate with anybody, but a.

Lot of the people don't be on social media like that no more, ocho. I mean, we active on social media because it's kind of like our job and kind of get a feel of what's going on out there, because you never know what we're going to talk about on here or what we're going to talk about on first take. So you're kind of trying to stay connected. But no, I hadn't seen Ray in such a long time. Sean the king said, uncle Ocho, y'all got tv networks execs scared. Your podcast is the future. Look, the thing that I've tried to convey to Ocho is that, look, we've got to get a thinking that linear tv is our only option, because for the longest time, everybody wanted to be on television, right? But pretty soon, television is basically going to be live events. The network is going to have live events. And this is kind of where it's mean because you get Netflix, they want sports. You see, Amazon is already into the business. Apple is looking to probably, who knows what they're going to do with ESPN or maybe start their own thing. Because when you got seven, $800 billion in cash, you can do a lot.

So all we try to do, what we try to do, is try to give you the best. We try to give you the best analysis, the best entertainment, the most information that we possibly can do, and we try to give it to you in a way that is true.

But it's funny.

It's kind of like comedians. Comedians take live, true events and make them funny.

Okay?

We take stories, and although Ocho is sharing stories and they make you laugh, I share stories that make you laugh. And we say things in football terms. We talk about a time. I believe there's a time to be serious and there's a time that we can joke. And I think the thing. We have a great balance of that. And so, thank you, Shonda. I hope so. But I just try to. Look, I'm on television two days a week. I go there, Ocho. I bring my hard hat. I bring my lunch pail and my work boots. Yeah, they pay me an honest day's wage. I give them an honest day's work. I come home and I start preparing for this. So that's what I do. I give them what they ask for. They ask two days. I give them two days. They was like, hey, Shannon, can you do this Thursday and Friday? That's how I operate, Ocho. But I'm going to know, like, man, well, what happened if I don't know what ESPN is going to do? I don't know. I signed a one year deal, and we'll see. Hopefully they like what I'm giving them and we can work out something long term.

But I tell you what, I got.

Club Shayshe and I got nightcap.

So we got something, mocho. We got something.

Yeah.

We gonna be straight. We gonna always be all right. Nightcap. Going to go where it need to go. It's just like Noah's ark. Everybody better get on board now.

They're too late now. They too late. But I tell you what, a lot of other people going to, the format that we're using is that you can.

Have a format if you want to. It's only one uncle and it's only one, Ocho. No matter what format you have, it's only one of us. So no matter what you do, it's not going to be the same. It's not going to hit the same. It's not going to feel the same, because it's not us. No, it's different. There's a certain chemistry, there's a certain energy and aura that we have. It ain't force. It's authentic. It's organic.

They can't tell stories like us, Osho.

No, man, it's not, man.

They can't.

You can't replicate that.

You can't. They can't.

And the thing is, I've lived long enough. I have a perfect. Because I grew. Grew up in the late 60s, early 70s, so I have a different perspective than a lot of people. There are not a lot of people that grew up in the era that I grew up in that played sports, played them at the level that I played and be able to communicate, to cross a couple of generations. And people like, okay, I don't sound like an old joker. Try to be hip, right? I'm not a new kid trying to live.

I lived it because the thing is.

Ocho, I've been their age. I've been 35. 35 year old. Ain't never been 55.

I like where you're going at the.

End of the day, just be you. What you see is what you get. That's what I am. What you see is what you get. Yes, I can be serious. I can be funny. I know a lot of different things about a lot of different things. I don't know everything. I know a little bit about, you know, when you ask me about Max besteping, hey, like I said, I go back to Michael Schumacher and I go to Lewis Hamilton. That's what you know. I didn't think anybody could be Schumacher. And then here come Lewis Hamilton. And then I didn't think nobody going to be in the mercedes. And then here come the stepping and the Red Bull. And it took a lot of money to run those cars.

Yeah.

You know how much a car, cho, do you know to fly? It's not like they going from Talladega to know to Hampton to Darlington to Charlote. They got to put on a plane.

That's crazy. Yes.

And to move a whole team.

They make a lot of sponsorship, though.

It got to be a lot of.

Sponsorship money because people watching.

Yeah, that's crazy.

But you know the king, the cash cow right now, NFL. NFL do about 16 billion a year.

What do you think? F one do a year?

That's a good question.

They said, I think NFL is like, I saw something. They said there's a couple of things that do like 10 billion a year.

Okay.

But right now, NFL is king, man.

And because you got.

Amazon bought the Thursday night. You saw what they did. I think they paid $100 million to do Black Friday game.

Yeah. Hunter meal.

Netflix say they want to do some live events. Man. Ocho, I remember this was 1999. I used to go to this girl that did my nails. She said, we just sitting there talking. She said, you ever heard of Netflix? I said, no. She said, 99 and 99. Because back then, you order the dvds that you want, you watch them, and then you send them back. She said, you know what? I think it'll be a wise investment for you. I said, what you think will be a wise investment? She said, I think you should invest in Netflix.

I said, really?

She said, yeah. She say, I mean, I don't know how much you make, but you probably could invest like 2000, 505,000. She said it just like that.

Damn. Boom.

Hey, remember blockbuster video?

Yeah.

Who you think put blockbuster out of business?

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Yeah. In 2022, f one saw his total revenues, 2.57 billion, up from 2.15 billion. So that just goes to show you. NFL did 16. So NFL did seven times 7.5. So seven x.

That's crazy.

Only getting bigger.

Does f one continue to grow the same way the NFL continues to grow every year?

It's a big ocho. They went from 2.42.14 to 2.57. So basically they put about 400 million. When the NFL increased, they do it in billions. In two years, you watch the cap, the cap will be $300 million. In five years, you'll have a player making a quarterback, making show Aotani's money, 700 million. He'll be making 70 a year. I don't know if they give you. No, it's not going to be guaranteed. But I'm saying on paper, it'll look like showing because you got to realize four years ago, Pat Mahomes got 450, and we thought we're like a half a billion, right? You could buy teams. Mr. Boland bought the broncos for like 65, $68 million.

That's crazy.

Yes.

And the return, Jamarion World said, uncle Nocho, I'm about to turn 21. I got same birthday as LeBron. Any advice for these next couple of years of my life? Love the channel. Thank you, bro. What you want to do with your life, what you want to be at.

21 and still enjoy yourself? You got to enjoy yourself. Got to have fun. Don't take life too serious at 21, but have a plan, though. You got to have some type of plan. Have some type of structure or something. But 21, you still enjoy yourself, man. Still enjoy yourself. You got to. But you got to have a plan. You got to have a little structure, a little balance.

Yeah, balance just a little bit.

Because most 21 year olds, you know, most 21 year olds is always fun morning, noon, night, fun morning, noon, night. And it's a routine. And the routine gets stuck in your 20s when you're 21. And you stay in the same routine when you're 23 and you do it so goddamn much, you never break out that routine. And by the time you look up, it's too goddamn late to do any goddamn thing.

I'm looking at it like this. What does he want to do? What does he want to be? What's his plan? Because of me, at 21, I was.

A senior in college, and I had turtle vision.

What could help Shannon get to the NFL? What could help Shannon be the best he could be? His last year in college, that's where.

That discipline coming up. A lot of people ain't had the goddamn discipline, especially when you're young, to focus on long term, because you stuck in the now. That's the problem. It's the now that make you got them the now. People being stuck in the now, that should pass you right back because you think you got all day.

Ocho.

When I was in my teens, in high school and college, my body was in Glenville. My body was in Savannah. My mind was a thousand miles away. I knew there was something out there bigger and better for Shannon Sharp, and I had to get to it. I had to see it. I had to experience, and I had to bring Mary Porter, and I had to bring my family with me. That drove me. I'm talking about almost to the point of it.

That's all I thought about.

I didn't think about anything else. Yeah, I did stuff, but I was focused. And the greatest compliment that guys that I played with, they pay me when they don't say I'm the best player they ever played with, they say I'm the best teammate. Nobody was more disciplined than Shannon. Nobody was more determined and dedicated than Shannon. The very first day in 1986, I stepped foot on Savannah state campus. We had practice. I said, I'm going to the NFL. I said, you all go bull jive, but I'm going to the NFL. Man, shut up. You ain't going nowhere.

It's okay. Yeah.

First year, ocho, you know, I started.

A little bit my second year, that.

Spring practice.

Year two, it was a rap.

So I make black college all american. I make black college all american. I'm the only true sophomore on the team and I'm conference player of the year, offensive player of the year, obviously wide receiver. So we go to the Sheridan black college all american banquet. As a matter of fact, the guest speaker was Jane Kennedy. You all know about JC, you don't know about Jane Kennedy, but everybody in this chat, anybody that's my age, anybody that's like 45 to 65, they know about Jane Kennedy. Now this thing for the light up. Jane Kennedy was Halle Berry before Halle Berry.

Yeah, she liked that. Wait, James Kennedy, Jane Kennedy, she used.

To be on the NFL. Today on CBS, it was Jane Kennedy, it was Herb cross, it was Jimmy degree and it was Bret Musberger. Chad, by letter, they don't, hey, but.

Anyway, so we there.

So my coach was Bill Davis, they got Coach Rob, they got Coach Willett, coach Jeffries, more phote. Who else is there? They got coach WC Gordon, they got, I think, gunslinger, Arch Cooley, all of them there. And so they talking, you know, Benson Brown, they call him the undertaker. Went to Mississippi Valley State and they say, oh, this boy really good. Yada, yada, yada. Coach Davis looked at every one of them. Coach Davis said, I got the baddest end here and he a sophomore, I say, he said, all them guys that y'all name, they can't hold account to this boy. It made me feel so good that.

He said that every last one of.

Them that was playing in the all star game call it the Freedom bowl, right? I'm going to be better than you.

I'm going to be better than you.

I'm going to be better than you because my coach said he will lead it. That's how I thought if I heard.

My coach say something, ocho, I had.

A medial collateral sprain. I was a sophomore in high school, I was like five 7155 I was small, like, I remember I told you they used to call me Peewee. So I hurt my knee and they took me to the doctor, and I was five seven. And the doctor, I never forget, his name was Dr. Dewberry, James Dewberry. So they x rayed my knee. He said, he looked at the coach, he looked at me, he said, coach.

Hall, that's going to be a big man there. I'm looking like, how am I to going be a big man? I'm five. 7155.

She said, you're going to be a big man. So now I'm like, I go home, tell my sister, doctor, say, I would be a big man. I'll be a big man, right? Man. Ocho, I started. Got to college, start eating three a day, started lifting that iron.

Yeah.

I got huge on them. I got huge on them. But discipline is everything. You're not going nowhere without discipline. Without discipline, you can't do nothing at all.

It don't matter what it is.

Without it, you can't do anything. Chad, they keep account. Four curses. Chad, you owe $80.

No, they messing up.

Listen, this.

When I do that, when I do, she, that ain't cursing.

Yeah, the cursing.

$5 in the jar. TJ gamble goat.

James dropped bouti tonight. How long do you think he could play at this level? Ps, my wife love the show. Best wishes to you and yours, man. He was sensational tonight, man. I think he was, what, what was he, 13 of 1913 of 25 or five from three? Eight of eight. Nine or nine from the free throw line. They played OKC and OKC. He had to stop the bleeding. He had to stop the bleeding because they was hemorrhaging. I think they had won one game since they had won the in season tournament, and I believe they put a lot of emphasis on the in season tournament, because if you end something, I might as well win it. Ocho, it's like, you know, hey, it's like I go to college. I ain't just go to college. Yeah, I majored in eligibility, but since I hear I might as well get a degree, hell, I'm here.

Why not? And what I'm looking for, they going.

To be in the class. They're not going to be in my room if I'm skipping class, right?

They in class, right?

So that's where I need to be, in the front of the class every.

Friday, sport coat on, briefcase. I'm going to be somebody, right? That's my mindset.

I'm going to be somebody.

That's what Jesse Jackson I am somebody. Yeah. Believe it. That Jane Kennedy. David.

Y'all know about Jane Kennedy? Who know about Jane Kennedy?

In the chat, I had to pull it up.

I see on the COVID of Ebony magazine.

Found it in Frog here.

She was in Jet magazine, too. You remember Jet magazine?

Of course.

Had a cinefold on my wall. The Jet cinephoe beauty of the week. Put it on my wall when I was in college. Okay, here, I showed in. They better never let me get no money. I'm going to get me one or two tree, but I'm going to have me one. I'm like, where am I going to meet these women from back then? They from New Jersey, they from California. I'm like, most of the guys. Most of the guys. I went to an HBCU, so obviously most of the guys, it wasn't unique that I had. But hey, I'm cutting the beauty of the week. I put dead up on my wall with that scotch tape on the said Martrell. Virginia beach said, where would y'all race shador Sanders? He looked like the best quarterback since Andrew luck. Keep going. He's not coming out this crowd. This is really a loaded, draft class quarterback position. Yeah, I want to see him with some better protection. Oh, he has some outstanding receivers. And as prime told us, he got some more dogs coming in. He said, but the main dogs, he get on the old line and d line, but he can flat out throw the football.

There's no question. There's no question. I think you guys saw it. He could spend the football. So I'm going to be surprised if he doesn't go in the first round in the 2025 draft. I'm going to be shocked. I'll probably be shocked if he's not a top ten pick.

Which commit was that? I was with today? Seaton. That was one of the.

Old lineman.

Well, that's a big boy.

Yeah, that's what you need. Just call me Chris said, married man. Me and my wife Rose subscribed to the channel and love the show. It's her birthday week. Damn, I don't know who started this birthday week. Would love a shout out. Much success tonight. Cap, Uncle Ocho, we tuned in. Hey, Chris Rose. Happy birthday week, man. What y'all do? I mean, when did this become a thing? Ocho, they like, you know, like the indian family, like these prominent families, they get married in wedings and they have weddings that go on a week, two weeks, month. But I'm saying, when did we start having in our community? When do we start having birthday weeks.

I'm not sure. I think it's women that started that. I think women have started having birthday months, a week.

Birthday month. They better have Oprah or Kim Kardashian money, right? I ain't funding that.

It's Libra season or whatever they call, I don't know, all those fucking seasons. Damn it.

Yeah, that four or five of right there. Ojo daughter dropped $200 in that pot.

My bad, my bad. But not. I lost my train of thought because I was trying not to curse, man.

Yeah.

Women love that birthday week. Talk about their birthday month. It's a season, and they celebrate the whole month.

They do.

Come on, now. Come on.

That ain't what it was supposed to be.

O Joe. Yeah, I'm happy.

I'm happy, man. My birthday come. My birthday is on January 9 coming up rail and be trying to do stuff for me, going to dinner. I say, man, listen, you know I do not like that. Don't throw me no party. Don't invite no people.

No throw no party with my money.

Get me a cigar. Get me my cafe conlete from a cuban spot. Let me sit on this patio and listen to my sinatra or my Michael Boublay or my Harry Connor Jr. And let me relax. I don't want no extras. My prayer. I say that prayer at 1159 right before the 9th hit. Man, that's enough for me. Thank God for seeing another year, because there's a lot of people I know that ain't make it.

Yeah.

My birth. I'm going to try to shake the COVID this year for dark for show.

Well, you're going to shake the COVID.

I'm going to try to shake the COVID for dark.

Yeah, I like that.

I like that.

You let me see.

56. Yeah, we'll shake the covers. Am I. I got to use that?

I don't know. You older. You know, I used to take the rug out and hang it over the clothes hanging and beat it with a broom and beat the dust out of it. You ever did that, ocho?

No, I ain't did that one. I like that.

Hey, Chad, you all know anything about that? Taking that rug outside and hitting with that broom and dust fly everywhere. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. 626 24. Make your hair pop off. Daniel Dubois. Can I get a happy birthday song for my girlfriend? Happy birthday. Her golden. Nah, her name is Jessica Cahill. It would mean a lot. Jessica, happy birthday.

Happy birthday.

I don't know what number it is, but happy birthday today and many more to come. Hopefully you had a very lovely evening, enjoyed it, did something that you liked, and you were surrounded by family, friends and loved ones. So happy birthday, Jessica, and many more to come.

Happy birthday, gang. Happy birthday, twin.

Sharma. Mabel said baby girl been tuned in since birth. Can y'all wish her a happy five month?

If you need a babysitter, holl at me.

Yeah.

Happy birthday. Hopefully my grandson turned a year on LeBron's birthday. I got me a little baby goat.

Okay.

Yeah, he got me a shirt. I'm going to wear my t shirt. He got a popeye t shirt.

I like that.

I'm aware that I'm already give y'all a heads up. I'm wear that on Monday. Brandon Atkinson. I'm transferring to UFC to be a walker. Any advice? UCF, University of central Florida.

That's out there in Tampa, ain't it?

Yeah, Tampa, Orlando. It's one of them.

I get them confused.

I don't think it's Orlando.

If you walking on advice, you know what you need to do.

Yeah.

You got to come on with it.

You know what you need to do, especially if you're walking.

Played. We played them in my sophomore year. I did a number on them, too.

Ocho, Central Florida.

Yeah, I did a number on them.

They must not have been good back then.

They were good.

I know they came to see they had a receiver and I think his name was Bernard Ford. Showed him up. All I needed to know, hey, who the best player over there and what position does he play? Because if you play wide receiver when they lead his game, they're not going to be talking about about. They're going to be talking about the other guy from Savannah State. Number two, if you're DB, he got no chance. No chance. Zero. What is less than zero? Negative integer. All I needed to know, what position did he play? Now, if he played D line and I can't do it, I can't expose. But no matter what he played, whatever the best player was on the opposing team. Mocho, right when they left, I guarantee you that they won't think about him as highly as they did before I came into that game. I bet you that.

Was a DB. I would have locked your ass up, man. I like that kind of talk. I like that.

Yeah.

I wouldn't know to be played with. I wouldn't know to be played with. Ocho, think about this. Ocho, I'm going to think about it now. Think about what I did in the NFL now. Think about what I'm doing at the HBCU. You thinking the same thing. You ain't got no business there. You right, but why I'm here, I'm a wreck shop.

Yeah.

And everybody had to see me. They still talk about it. People at Morris, Brown, Morehouse, Clark, Fort Valley, Albany, Georgia Southern, Elon, they still talk about that. Number two at Savannah State.

Hey, if you play receiver, right?

I sure did.

So I want you to think about, know I'm a better db than just. I'm just telling you I'm a better db than receiver. I'm just thinking about if I was lined up on you, how you would have been able to maneuver. Because let me give you a little example, right. You see, I'm always square like this.

That's what I want you to do.

I'm always square. So I want you to be able to have a two way go. You can't pull and rip because my base, my quads is right up. It ain't about that. Because as you coming forward, I'm backing up out of there anyway, and I'm giving just a little bit of ground, and I'm going to make you reset the line of scrimmage every time. And as soon as you get ready to go, boom, I'm stabbing. Whichever way you go, I'm stabbing. I'm riding the hip.

Who, me?

I'm pulling you at the hip, though.

As soon as you put that left or right out. I'm trying to break it.

No, I'm trying to break it.

I'm just telling you, I'm trying to break it.

I'm ready.

I'm trying to break it.

I would have been in your hip pocket, boy, like, pocket change.

Last two questions of the night, guys.

Thank you.

I'm sorry we couldn't get to your questions tonight, but we really do have tried to answer them all. Chad, answer this, please. The rainbow dime drop, how important is that on the d ball pass? I think Kenny has that. Explain what the rainbow does.

Rainbow drop hash.

On the d ball.

Oh, why call it rainbow?

You don't want to put that much air on it.

Now.

The chimney throw, we'll let him call it. We call it chimney throw. Dropping it down. Obviously, you try to give the guy as much room as you possibly can from the sideline because you don't want him to always have to pinpoint it. I don't know what your deep ball was.

That's a problem. Now, today for receivers, most of them always pin to the goddamn sideline instead of getting a nice release. Instead of, they always just widen and letting the DB ride them off to the goddamn sideline and not giving the quarterback no room where he got to make almost the damn near perfect throw.

Because almost every time, oh, Joe, if you think about it, once the guy releases, he's keep getting wide instead of stacking him and putting him in a trail. So now the quarterback, he can throw it here, he could throw it here, he could throw it here. Whereas before, if you just keep getting wide, he going to ride to the sideline. He can only throw it one spot here.

Right?

And so what we tried to do, we tried to release stack him and know the ball is going to come 42 and 442 yards down the field, four yards from the sideline. Some people are 44 and 244 yards deep, two yards from the sideline. But Mike, the way we were taught it, it was 42 and 442 yards deep, four yards from the sideline every time.

You know what's funny about that? No matter how fast she was, that ball always landed at the right time. At the right mark every time, right?

Because that's where the trash can comes in at. So you put the ball at 25, you put it at 30, you put it at 40, you put it at 42 and four, and you try to throw the ball, you try to put it in that trash can, because that's where you're going to be. And so you had to set it up because knowing, you know what? I'm not even looking until I get like 25 yards. I'm just digging. I'm getting wide, I'm releasing outside, and now I'm trying to get back in front of him. I'm trying to stack him because I want him in a trail position.

Knowing.

That John's going to drop it in there. So like that, Patrick Willis said, uncle Ocho, if y'all had an opportunity to call a sporting match, what would it be?

Call a sporting match.

What I would like to call, I would.

Look.

That'S a good question. Maybe play by play, since I already said that.

Sporting event. What you want to call?

You want to call play by play? You want to call basketball? Play by play. Football? Play by play. Soccer? Play by play. You want to do a tennis?

Soccer. Soccer or football?

No?

Soccer or boxing?

Okay, I like that.

I want to call the match Wimbledon. Center court.

That's nice. Oh, center court.

I want to be on center.

I want to see you calling Alcaraz and Joker.

I hate that. I didn't see federal play.

You see Roger play in.

To the. I've been to a World Series, game seven. I've been to an NBA Finals. I've been to, obviously, the Super Bowl. I went to the US Open. I saw Serena beat the great Dane. What's her back? She married Keith Lee. I mean, Lee used to play for the Golden State warriors, the Knicks. What's her name?

The warriors. The Knicks.

He played for the warriors and the Knicks. What's the name? They call her the great Dane, but she's a. Yeah. Wozniaki. Caroline Wozeniaki. I saw Serena play her in the US Open semifinals on a Saturday night. So there's a whole lot of things I want to go see. The Olympics. I need to see the Olympics, and I need to see a women of match center court.

Then I'm good.

Maybe go see Daytona, too.

Boy.

Listen, Daytona. You been to a nascar race before?

I have.

I was the grand at Watkins Glenn. I started the race at Watkins Glenn.

I love that, man.

That's a road course.

Yeah.

I've been to Charlote, obviously. I've been to tank Daytona. I've been to Homestead. I love sitting out there, man, and.

People don't realize how loud those cars are.

I love it.

And how close they are going. 200 miles an hour.

An hour.

Love it. And the bank is so steep to keep them from.

You know, you could drive in Daytona. You know that, right? You haven't done that yet. You get in the car. You get in the car. They have you in the.

Yeah.

And they're able to control how fast you can go.

I want to go.

No. They bill you up to about 181, 90.

I do this every night, ocho. Does anybody know what this shoe is called and why is it special? There's a reason. Then we're going to see the real sneaker heads. What's this shoe called, and why is it special? Because they made it in two different models. But why is this shoe special?

If I had to take a guess, because I don't know what those are, but it's special because it has a gum bottom. I don't understand. I wear Jordan ones.

That's it.

I don't have any of the other ones.

You don't know about no gum bottles? You need to stop, ocho. Who told you? I want to know who told you.

Nobody.

Ain't nobody.

If you don't wear nothing but ones, how you know about the leathers and how do you know about the gum bottoms?

Because I'm looking at the gum bottom and let me finish. Anytime I see those shoes, the bottom is always white.

That's my point. So who told you?

Well, obviously, if the bottom on those aren't white like they're supposed to be, based on what I'm used to seeing, that must be what make them special. The gum bottom.

Ocho. It's the fact that you said gum. That's the part you think I don't.

Know what gum gum bottoms is.

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