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Thank you so much for helping us reach 394,000 subscribers. That's right, Ocho. We're 6000 away from 400k. Make sure you click that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We've also pinned Shay by Laporte at the top of the chat with the holidays right around the corner. We got Christmas, we got New Year's, and I know we got some birthdays. Make sure you go grab your bottle for that. You or that someone that you love. Who else we want to thank? Check this out, Ocho. A very special happy belated birthday to Harvey Thompson, your daughter, 17 year old daughter Jordan reached out and said you drive her three times a week to our volleyball games, which are 2 hours away. And I know we're a little late, but we want to say happy belated birthday. We are at NC 17, which means no children under 17 should be listening to this program. But since she is in the presence of adult, I guess that's okay. So happy birthday, Harvey. Thank you for reaching happy belated and thank you, Jordan, for reaching out on behalf of your father. I am your favorite sports uncle, Shannon Sharp.

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The greatest route runner of this combination. So I'll let you have that. I've shared a shot. Chad Ocho, Sico Johnson, Ocho. Let's get into the game. The packers just beat the Chiefs 20 719. Jordan love 25 of 36, 267, three touchdowns, clean game. Patrick Mahomes 21 of 33 210. One touchdown, one pick. There were some really missed calls on that last drive.

That was PI on that d ball to mvs. That should have been PI. The DB. He was very early. He was very early. You got to get your eye on the ball. I know. Listen, one of the things, especially in the situation as a defensive back, because I'm a former DB myself, in a situation like that, the best thing for you to do is get your eyes back to the ball because obviously, if that call is made, which it should have been, the refs missed that one. Come on, team. You cost your team a game. Obviously, they let it go. I'm not sure if the bets was in or something. They couldn't j. Something was going on. But that was an obvious PI. But listen, the packers played a good game. The packers played a good game.

They did. But here's the thing, though, Ocho. I counted three bad calls on that last drive. That was not an unnecessary roughness on Pat Mahomes. He was in. Know, you know, first rule of thumb, you can't let up when you're going out of bounds because he's coming and he's going to knock your block off.

Right.

And I thought he had knocked pat out the game because you got up. He's a little woozy.

Woozy? Yeah, a little bit.

Number one rule of thumb, you do not let up on the sideline. You go ahead and get your butt up out of bounds. You don't take unnecessary hits because they are coming. I thought they could have called that that shove in the back by Owens when he shoved Travis Kelsey on the Hail Mary, because, remember, the NFL went back and said, you can call PI on Hail Mary right now, we don't see it often, but it has been called because he shoved it before the ball, got the ball in the air, and he shoved him, and it kind of knocked Trav off his spot.

I think that would have been bad, though. Don't you think they have a game in that way to throw a pass interference? All right, the first play, the first deep ball, the mvs, I understand that one, but to throw a flag and then they get the ball on the 1 on a Hail Mary, that would have been a horrible way to lose the game. I think that would be a horrible way.

But I think the thing is, ocho, for me, you got to call a file a foul, whatever it's called, because, you know, if guys, like, we've seen guys in victory formation and the guys line up offside and they throw a penalty, and they're like, oh, man, we don't need that five yards, bro. We in victory formation. No, we got to call a foul. A foul. But, ocho, there's a bigger problem. And I told you this.

Yes, sir.

Even the greatness of Patrick Mahome, he can't overcome these mediocre receivers. And I told you this. I said, at some point in time, ocho, you can't keep scheming. You've got to say, look here, guys, I need you to go beat man coverage. How many smoke screens, how many tribes you try to change the DB's eye level before you just have a guy to go beat me on a comeback, or beat me on a speed out, or beat me on an end cut. They can't do that consistently, old Joe.

Right. I mean, listen, I've said it.

Even the greatest of Patrick Mahomes can't overcome.

Know, honestly, when you think about it, I think they regret, I wouldn't say regret letting Tyreek go. But now you understand his importance and what he meant to that team. Because now, when Travis Kelsey is not having a great game, who else do you have as an outlet that you can count on to continuously win one on one battles? I mean, listen, the entire game, they was really just basically just playing man to man on everybody because they didn't feel they had anybody adequate enough to get open in one v one situations. And that's exactly what you got.

Look, I think the thing is, look, they proven Pat Mahomes won the MVP. They won the Super bowl without Tyreek. Yeah, but I think the mistake that you make is sometimes you're like, okay, we're straight. There are guys out there. You could have got a DeAndre Hopkins, a guy that can beat man coverage consistently.

Right?

And so now you pair him with a Travis Kelsey. And now you let Kaderius Tony, now you let Scott Moore, now you let Rashid rice. You let them continue to grow knowing you got two guys on a given plate that can go right. Even Patrick Mahomes greatness can't overcome average to mediocre play at that receiver position. Yeah, guys, catch a ball here or nah, nah, because you're asking too much. And I know Pat Mahomes is great. He's historically great. But ocho, you're asking him an awful lot to make chicken salad out of that chicken stuff he got going on.

I think they're going to address the issue. They're going to have to address the issue either going to have to address it through the draft, but I think they should more so looking to getting a veteran, bringing the veteran there. There are a lot of receivers that are going to be on the market this offseason, and they need to go find and get one of them. They got to, they got to address that issue because when they lock in on Travis Kelsey, there's nobody else that Patrick Mahome could count on and say, you know what? Come hella high water, I can count on this individual to make a play for me in tough times, who can.

I put the ball up to other than Trav that can go make a play for me? Nobody. Yeah, everybody, everybody has at least one person that I feel confident in that if I put the ball up, they can go make a play. And Kansas City doesn't have that guy because if Andy doesn't scheme up the perfect play, they can't get right.

Right.

And even Patrick Mahomes and Patrick Mahomes, and I don't think, look, they're not going to be able to get stretched the field because they don't have a Tyreek. If they don't have a guy that can push the stick.

Well, I mean, mvs would be their burner, right? I mean, he's not Tyreek fast, but he is their speed guy.

But they call this like, well, he wasn't going to catch the ball anyway. That's why they didn't throw the flag. They're like, hell, he wasn't going to catch it anyway. Patrick Mahomes threw him a ball to man layer flat of his back. He catch it. He threw him one the other night. He dropped it. He is the guy. Skymore, I've been waiting for Skymore to take that next step because he shows some things last year he did as a rookie. I've been waiting on Kaderius Tony to take that next step. But, man, Ocho is getting hot because think about this. Ocho, they scored 19 points. Now we've seen them, the Broncos, they scored under 20. We've seen this before. I think it was Philly. They barely got 20. So the points, and it used to be it was automatic. The last three, four years, Patrick Mahomes needed a touchdown and a two point conversion. Are they going to get tired of this game?

Yeah, most definitely.

Now you're like, man, they ain't going to do this right. That's how far the man went. Got in field goal range in 13 seconds.

Yeah.

Now he could have had five minutes, and I don't believe they would have.

Scored right because of his greatness, even though he had nobody to throw the ball to because would it be in Patrick Mahomes? I still give him a 50 50 chance. That's how great he is. But once they address that issue at the receiver position and allow that young core to continue to mold and get better and get comfortable in situations where Patrick Mahomes can count on them, they will be all right. But they got to address it in the offseason. And getting a receiver that can get.

The job beat man coverage consistently, that.

Makes the offensive coordinate job easy. You know what? I don't got to scheme you. I want to line you up out here at X. I want to line you up at a z, and I need you to win for me. Just win for me.

Jordan love, in his last three games have been playing outstanding. 857 passing yards, eight touchdowns, zero interception, three and O record. Let's go to the game of the day. What we thought was going to be the game of the day, the 49 ers blast the Eagles Brock Purdy 40 219 was the final score. Brock Purdy 19 of 27, 314, two touchdowns. Debo Samuels backed up. All that talk. Remember Debo was talking that thing?

Yeah, he did.

Debo said, last year, you all lucky that our quarterback went out because we just sent you all home. But you know what everybody said, debo, you just got sour grades, blah, blah, blah. Debo said, no, I'm telling you, we watched them on tape, and their defense, especially that back end, is cheeks. And we know what cheeks are. Booty cheeks. So they can be had. Debo had three touchdowns. Jalen Hurts, 25 or 45, 298, throwing for one touchdown, rushing for another. But the last 100 yards, that was jump, because going into the fourth quarter, he had 196 yards. So the 49 ers backed off. Let him go up, let him go down the field. So I'm going to disregard that last. It looks good on the stats, but he did not play particularly well. The Eagles offense looked inconsistent. The 49 ers always felt that they could beat the Eagles. It just was. Purdy was hurt last year in the championship game.

Right?

And we saw what happened today again. The Eagles two or four in the red zone. Guess what? The 49 ers were in the red zone. Four for four.

Yeah.

You see difference in the game. That could have. Think about it, ocho. They had a six nothing lead, which really should have been 14 nothing. The 49 ers, as bad as they were played in the first quarter. They scored touchdown in the second quarter, and guess what? They got the lead.

Yeah.

And once they got that, it was.

A rap from there. Listen, the Eagles offense didn't look to par. It didn't look like what we're used to seeing. They kept Jalen Hurst on the run. They had him uncomfortable the entire time. He wasn't allowed to set and throw. And there were multiple plays where I felt like, wait a minute, do the 49 ers defense have the goddamn Eagles game plan? Because every time he dropped back, he was scrambling, and he has so much time to throw. And like, it was a cover sack every time, over and over, the first down, second down, third down. Even when they tried to run, to try to keep everything balanced, try to keep him guessing. That wasn't working either.

No, but I thought the thing with 49 has had a breakdown and I'm sure Steve Wilson is going to talk to him. You got to keep him contained because if you look at a lot of his plays, he made outside of the pocket, throwing on the run. And so a mobile quarterback, you want to make him go away from his dominant hand, right? He's a right handed quarterback. Make him roll to the left. You don't let him go to his dominant hand, but you try to keep him contained. If he beats me from throwing from the pocket, I can live with those results. Rachel. I can't let a mobile quarterback get outside by time because now he stresses the defense entirely too much. But the 49 ers, I've seen. Look, we're twelve weeks into the regular season. Ocho, 13 weeks. Ocho, I've seen enough.

Yeah.

No team can step on the gas like the 49 Ers and leave. They're like Tyreek. There are a lot of fast receivers, but ain't none can step on the gas like Tyreek.

Tyreek can.

Yeah, we've seen the Cowboys, we've seen the Cowboys play their best. We've seen the Ravens play their best. We've seen Buffalo play their best. We've seen the 49 ERs played their best. When the 49 ERs step on the gas, can't nobody feel, no, not right.

Now, especially not with the way they look today. And another thing that I think that is really interesting about the 49 ers and that defense is how well the matchups were individually. Yeah. I'm talking about the DBS against AJ Brown and Devante Smith. I can't remember the DB on the other side for the 49 ers, but they played a good game outside of the underneath in the running catch situations. Everything. Ten yards and more, man, today, challenging.

Everything down the field.

Right there. Right there on his hip.

Right on his hip, Ward. Yeah.

As opposed to what we're used to seeing with AJ Brown, Devontae seemed open. It was a different ball game tonight.

They did a great job. And when you look at what they're able to do, you look at a debo, put the ball in his hands.

He can go, amen.

Debo is a running back. Once he gets the ball in his hands, he's not the typical wide receiver. And you look at IU, tremendous run after the catch. You look at Jennings tremendous run after the catch. You look at kittle, great run after the catch. You look at Christian McCaffrey, tremendous run after the catch all the guys, but what did I tell you, ocho? You see those jailbreak screen to hit the debo, you see iU, you see those receivers blocking down field? Yeah, that's what you got to see. That's the difference between a ten yard play and a guy hitting his head on the goal post.

I got a question. How come the smoke screens and the receiver screens work for the 49 ers, but the smoke screens and receiver screens don't work for the Chiefs?

Because those are big, physical receivers. Debo is a physical receiver. Remember I told you, normally in the west coast, your receivers got to block, right? You got to block because that's how you get long runs. That's the difference between a 20 yard run and a 50 yard touchdown run, because receivers are knocking dbs off the guys down the field. If you go back and look at that touchdown, I know you remember when Garrison Hurst broke that 96 yard touchdown run in overtime. Down the field, you see t o yeah. Come on, come on, come on. Walks him all the way to the end.

Yeah, I remember that.

That's what you got to have. You watch when those guys catch smokescreen, you look at kittle when they run that flip talk. You see kittle? Kittle ends on the sweater. He looks. Come on, Debo. That offensive line did a tremendous job. That silver back out there, Trent Williams.

Yeah.

People ain't trying to see you. Everybody want to go to the other side. They want to go to the other side to try to get a cheap sack. Victoria said, oh, come on back over here. I need y'all to see me, right? Listen, I've seen the Cowboys play their best. I've seen Buffalo play their best against. I've seen. But can't anybody step on the gas? You see what happened, ocho? They got the ball, six straight possessions and went. Got tubs. Against what everybody said that was the best team in the NFL, considering they had only lost one game and they find ways to win. And that's a nice. But see, for me, I look at the front seven, I see the front seven pretty good. But that back end, that back end can be had.

The back end could be had. But the front seven and the front five is so goddamn good, and it can apply so much pressure as opposed to when you're playing somebody outside of the 49 ers who are able to match up very well as far as their all line is concerned. So then you get exposed a little bit. You get exposed a little bit. And you play an offense like the 49 ers that can do goddamn almost everything. This is the results that you see. But if they were playing any other team, if the Eagles were playing any other team in the NFL today, same atmosphere, same crowd, same weather, I guarantee the results would be different.

You might be right. I think the thing is, ojo, they've got to get back. They can't run the football. They become one dimensional. They become a past oriented team. Swift is not running the football. Jalen hurts legs is not as dangerous as they once was. They don't call as many runs because of that knee. And so their inability to run the football like they once could, teams are gearing up, says, look, we got to stop the pass. And it's normally the short pass. A lot of under. You see, AJ, they want to get the ball in his hands and let him run.

Let him run.

Yeah, but here's the thing. You're going to play a team next week, on Sunday night, the Cowboys, what are they doing? An offensive line? Yeah, they got an offensive line, and that's a division opponent. Now we throw everything at the winner when it's a division opponent. We know the Eagles don't like the Cowboys. We know Cowboys don't like the Eagles. And we know what happened last time them two teams played Ocho is that the Eagles got a victory. CD Lamb ended up catching the ball. They tackled him at the two yard line. The game ended. But the Eagles going to have to find a way to not kick field goals once they get into the red zone. And they're going to have to do a better job holding up on the back end because CD Lamb is licking it. Hey, CD is another guy that can catch the ball.

He could go now.

Yeah, man, I like Jake Ferguson. I'm not saying he's kittle, but he's developing swag. He's starting to feel like I belong. That's starting to trust him.

Right.

So the Eagles got to be careful because you've had think about it. Now all of a sudden you lose this game next week. Guess who has the number one seed? The 49 ers. Yeah, because the 49 ers beat you head to head. The 49 ers ain't just beat the Cowboys and Eagles. They shall watch them 40, 219, 42 team.

Yeah. Big time. Big wins.

It ain't no, man. You know, if we did this, because, you know, sometimes, ocho, you get a close ball game, man, all we had to do if this drop pass, if we didn't fumble this, when somebody beat you 42 ten and beat you 40.

219, what you say ain't none you can say. But listen, the funny thing about it is they beat them very convincingly and it's damn near what the playoff atmosphere is going to be like. So let's say depending regards to the results, I see all of them making the playoffs. I see the Eagles making the playoffs, obviously the 49 Ers and the Cowboys making it. Once you get to the playoffs, what can change? What can you actually change where the Eagles can compete and the Cowboys can compete and really nullify anything that the 49 ers are doing? How do you approach the game?

Turnovers. Turnover is the equalizer.

Okay.

Turnover is an equalizer. Because I still believe, because the thing is that even though the Cowboys hadn't run the ball like they ran it last year with Zeke and Pollard, right, they're throwing the ball better because CD is having a monster season. Brandon Cooks is starting to come on. He's starting to catch some passes now. But as far as just running it, the thing that was so scary about the 49 ers, they can run it and throw it. Man. C Mac is shaking people up in the hole. I'm talking about in a phone booth and guys can't touch it. And so now guess what happened when I play action off of that. Because now you got to drop that safety down. Now I got Zeke Debo on the override or I got IU working one on one. I got Jennings working on you one on one. Or you got kiddo Mac coming out the back, coming out the backfield, at the backfield. When you can run it and throw it, you put so much pressure, added pressure on your defense. And these guys are run after the catch. You're not just bringing them down with an arm tackle.

They're not satisfied with a ten or 15 yard game. Right. They're trying to get home every time.

They're trying to get home every time.

And yeah, this is. Look, there's something. I know you saw this. Drake Greenlaw and the Eagles head of security, Dom Sandro. I saw that they were both ejected. You know that. Look here, if you ain't in the game. Yeah. Because guys, any coach, if I run to your sideline and the coach, look, if you're not trying to help me, don't touch me, right? Because I'm already mad.

Right.

You know how to load, you're already frustrated and then you going to touch me? You talking ish.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah. Obviously both of them are wrong. Both of them are wrong. You got to be able to keep it cool as a player and also big Dom as the head of security for the Eagles. You already know. So, look, cooler heads will prevail. I mean, I'm sure they won't make.

That they did once they got to the locker room, because they figured.

Listen, I think the refs. You got to understand the circumstance at the time. I understand the ref, you got a job to do. But as a player, it's the heat of the moment. You really don't mean to do anything wrong. Same for Dom. Same for Green, how you say it last?

Green law.

Yeah, green law. Same for green law. But listen, you're losing like that, man, at that time. Listen, I know very well, and we're.

Going to talk about this a little later with Ame Adoka and LeBron, because, you know, you on the sideline, man. Get your you know what up out of here. What you say? Yeah, okay. You're not in no pass. Now, I tell your ass up.

But listen, LeBron. I mean, we gonna get to it later, but, you know, you played basketball before. I played basketball before. I've been at the YMCA. I played at played. You know, all of growing up as a kid, that's a part of the. To rucker. I've been to Rucker Park. I done seen them, boy. That's a part of the game.

But here's the thing, though. When he talking about y'all playing like some bitches, I'm like, who? Now you need puts a title on that with somebody. Who are you talking about? You talking about them or are you talking about me?

You can't take that personal understanding who you are. You are the king. You are that boy. So, you know, he's meaning as a whole, the complaining, the crying about Fazo, whatever it may be, whatever the situation may be, you know, he doesn't literally.

Mean, hey, you need to put a title on it. Just tag somebody. Yeah, who are you talking to? You talk about Austin Reed, you talk about Vando, you talk about d law. I mean, who are you talking to? Who are you talking about? Because I'm a part of the Lakers. So if you talk about the Lakers and you talk about B-I-T-C-H are you including me in it? Because I need to know. I need to get a little closer, because I don't know if I heard you correctly, because I could have swear you said dogs. You referred to the Lakers. So let me get a little closer to make sure I heard you right. Now, what you say?

Yeah, I understand. Listen, honestly, that trash talk, that's good for the game even. Listen, remember Spike Lee and Reggie Miller? Or Spike Lee and Michael Jordan just. Just having that.

It was Spike Lee and Scottie Peabody. Scotty Pippen told him to sit your ass when he ducked. No, Patrick. But here's the thing. You got to be careful calling a man a female dog because remember what I told you, everybody don't play like you play.

But you got to understand, he doesn't mean it literally. He doesn't really mean you are a bitch. It's just the fact that y'all might be playing like some doesn't mean you actually are a bitch.

I bet. I was at the game one time and I called a dude a mofo. He's like, sharp. I ain't going to be too many more mofos. I said, you that one. You ain't got to be no more. But you that one, man. You know, I had to come back with something. Okay? I don't call you no more, but you that one. Yeah, take that one with you. But, yeah, you're right. I mean, the NFL probably going to. I mean, anytime you get suspended, I mean, you get thrown out of a game, you get.

Fine.

Listen, and I'm sure the NFL is going to really talk to the head of security because you definitely can't touch nobody as the NFL. You got to stay above the freight.

Right?

Stay above the freight. So, ocho, we got 33,000 people watching in the live.

What? 33?

33,000. Our previous record was 24. Five.

Right.

And we got 33 currently.

Listen, all 33,000 of you. I love you. Love you all so much. I want all of you to text me. I want me send you my number. Seven eight six. Make sure you call me. Get you a pin. Seven eight six. Yes, it is two 3562. Twelve. And I'm putting it out there because I love you all and I need some friends. I need some friends. And I would love to hang out with you all one day. If I travel to your city, we can get together, have dinner and you going to pay an I tip. I appreciate you all supporting us and loving us. Happy holidays and all that good stuff.

See, when they start talking about autumn, bitches and all that stuff. Yeah, homie. Don't play that. I will say what's really going on. What's on your mind? Because I'm going to ask you if there's something on your mind you want on your ass.

Yeah.

Because I can put it there for you.

I like that. Wait, let me write. Let me write that down right there. Wait, say it again.

Is there something on your mind you want on your ass?

Yeah, I got to use that with my kids.

That's what my grandpa used to tell.

Us that I'm going to use with mom. Use that on my kids. Christmas coming up and they might not get what they want. And I'm going to use that line right there.

Is something on your mind, you want on your ass? Because I can put it there for you now. That's what you're looking for. You can get exactly what you're looking for.

Something on your mind. One on the ass. Yeah.

The Dolphins beat the commander. I think this was a scoregami. This was a scoregami. A scoregami is a score that's never ever happened in the NFL before. The Dolphins beat the Commanders 40 515 at one point through two quarters. Midway through the second quarter, Tyreek had three catches, 132 yards and two touchdowns. He now has 1481 yards with five games to go. He needs to average 104 yards a game in order to get that 2000, the roller coaster celebration. I like the roller coaster.

That thing was loud, wasn't it? They were riding. That was a good one. That was a really good one. Listen, tyreek, I know you're going to see this, man. Please continue to make the game fun and entertaining. Continue to get people tuned in, continue to get fans engaged. You don't understand how much for me. Look, watching from the outside in, as a fan of the game and a fan of entertainment, dude, I appreciate you. I love you. Honestly, there's really nobody else doing it like that right now if you think about it. No, because every week, if you watch a Dolphin game, you're tuning in. Even if you don't like fucking football. Even if you don't like football. I'm tuning in because I want to know what type are you going to do for sure. You, he see, set the goal for 2000 yards. Who knows what people might have thought? People might. Oh, it's impossible. It's never been done before. What makes him think he's going to be able to do it? He had two of playing quarterback. What is the man doing? This is a testament to how great the young fella is, man.

How great? Excuse me, doing the next three games. I need him to have a 200 yard game, matter of fact, because, ocho, you know what's going to happen. Let's just say for the sake of argument, he needs 100 yards, right? Drayland water will have 300 yards receiving. They're going to put three people on Tyree. They're not going to let him break the record.

They didn't do it today. They didn't do it today. I didn't understand why they didn't do it today or why they didn't at least try. They didn't even try. They just said, you know what, we're going to leave him there. Whatever you get today, he going to get it. And he continued to do work early in the game anyway. Didn't they take him out the fourth quarter? Didn't they take him out of the fourth quarter?

Yeah. You don't want to run the risk of getting him hurt in a situation like that. In a situation like that. But I'm thinking, ocho, I don't know how much you were thinking, but I was thinking, like three catches, 132. Now I'm just trying to feed him. I'm feeding him smokes. He going to have 13. He might not have like six yards of catch, but he going to get 200 in that one because he's already 132 with three catches.

Right.

So now I got to feed him. I got to feed him.

That's crazy. You know the schedule, you know the.

Next few games because based on I know they got buffalo. They got the Cowboys.

Okay, cowboys. He going to eat. Yeah, because they're not changing. They're not scheming for no one.

Play. You can't play him. Man up. I don't know what Washington was thinking. They don't have the kind of db.

They're not going to change, though. They're not going to change. They're not going to change. You know what? Oh, you know what? We're going to change and stop doing what we normally do just because we playing the Miami Dolphin and Tyreek Hill. Some defensive coordinators are stubborn.

Yeah. See, they got the Titans, the Jets, the Cowboys, the Ravens and the bills.

Right?

Yeah. They got Titans, jets, cowboys, ravens, bills, Titans, jets, cowboys.

He getting 1000. He getting 2000. He definitely getting it. That Titans game. That Titans game. Yeah, man.

Stop playing and you're going to get some opportunity against the jets because the offense is so inel. He's going to get a lot of.

Opportunity on the field. A lot.

Yes. So congratulations to the Dolphins. 40, 514 winners over the commanders. Commanders. You all got to do better. What? You all might need to change your name again.

Hey, you think they're going to fire Mr. Rivera?

Oh, there he gone.

Yeah, but it's only his third year, though.

He gone. That's new ownership. Josh Harris did not hire Ron Rivera.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah. So I'm going to get my people in there.

Right. But who would his people be anyway?

Anybody other than Ron Rivera. No, I'm just telling you because look, that man spent $6 billion. Do you know how much? 6 billion?

Yeah. I can't even fathom.

If I'm not mistaken, he brought Dan Snyder, purchased the Washington. They weren't the commanders at the time. We know the name that they were for about 800 million from the estate of Jack Kent Cook.

Wait, only 800?

800 million in 1999?

It could be so about only.

My bad, but I'm saying. Right, so 6 billion, right.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Imagine if you had the money to get you an NFL team, man. Imagine if we. I mean we. Because imagine that we got a.

There's. I think there's only a handful of people that I'm talking about a real percentage because you're probably going to have to have. I mean there are guys like a Jay Z, a Robert Smith who I think is the wealthiest black oprah a know guys, people like that. Magic was able to get in on it. But for me, yeah, it would be amazing. I want to see the day that Magic's in there. Magic gives us hope. Yeah, magic gives us hope for NFL. Michael gave us hope for an NBA team. Magic gave us hope for MLB. So now we see people of my color that looks like me, that played a professional sport that has an opportunity, that's a minority owner.

Right?

LeBron is looking at it. LeBron wants that team in.

It. He going to get it. He going to get it and he.

Wants to be a majority. But I mean, considering what NBA franchise is going for. What happened was when Donald Sterling had to sell the Clippers because prior to that no team had ever gone for over 600 million, right? If I'm not mistaken, Vivic, didn't he buy the. I think he brought the Sacramento Kings for 550, right? Then he comes out and he plays a bomber, Steve Bomber pays 2.2 billion, which is four times that what the highest franchise had ever been sold for, right? So now you see where the NBA prices are going. You see what Michael, Michael brought. I think Michael brought the Bobcats, the Hornet, excuse me, the Hornets for maybe 304 million. And I think he just sold for three and a half billion. You see Mark Cuban purchased the maverick for 200 million. Just sold a large share of them for three and a half billion.

Wait, he purchased the goddamn maverick for 200 million?

200 million.

Look at me like I got 200 million just sitting around like I could go purchase some goddamn body.

A whole lot of people got that kind of money. You got that kind of money. I mean now there are guys that got billions and can have $2 billion in escrow in a matter of hours a day. Yeah, but that's a great thing. And I'm happy for magic. Minority owner and the Dodgers. Minority owner and the commanders.

Owner of the Sparks, too. Like minority owner of the Sparks.

He might be. I think he sold it. He was in the Lakers, but I think he sold that. But he sold a lot of his holdings in the Starbucks and stuff to be able to purchase shares into the Dodgers and the Washington football team. The Broncos get lose today, 20 217. They come up short. Jimmy Ward intercepted Russ pass in the end zone with 9 seconds to play. Derek Stingley Jr. Picked up two more passes. Russ finished 15 to 26, 186. A touchdown and three interceptions. And what had really helped the Broncos spring back, Russ was playing clean games. The Broncos are not good enough as a team to overcome those types of mistakes. Maybe you could overcome one, but you can't overcome. And that's what happened today. Russ tried to force some throws and Stingley made great plays on a couple of them and they lose the ball game. CJ Stroud with 16 or 27, 274 and a touchdown. The Broncos. What do you take away from Broncos? And we'll get to the Texans.

I mean, you think about it. Russ has been cooking the past five games and what I think Sean Payton has done is Russ didn't even have any games in those five that they did win where he threw over 200 some yards. Right. Everything was dink and dunk. You know what, make sure you keep us in the game and I'm allowed the defense to take over and win it for us. You just keep us in position and we going to be all right this game. We're going to let him off the leash a little bit. And what happens when they let him off the leash a little bit? You get the turnovers. Obviously, there were some good play from guys that also get paid millions of dollars on the other side of the ball and it didn't go the way it would. But it's not a bad thing because you did win five in a row. But you got, next week, you come right back, you fix what you need to fix and hey, you could have.

Been sitting really pretty. You could have been what, seven and five? You could have been seven and five. And now you're one game behind Chiefs.

Yeah.

Who thought that somebody would be right that close to the Chiefs? Because the Chiefs normally run away with the, with everything.

Yeah, not right now.

Right. And so you'd have been right there. CJ Stroud 16 or 27 274 in a touchdown. What do you like about CJ's game, man?

CJ is the real deal, man. Continue he continuous, continuous week in and week out, acting like he's been here before. I've never seen a rookie play this poise, be that relaxed. Being able to make the reads and adjustments and being able to process the game at such a fast rate like he's doing. Nico Collins, man.

I think he's no, that's.

Tank deal, man. He broke his fibula, man. That's unfortunate. Very unfortunate. But listen, the way Nico Collins is playing, Nico will be able to pick up that slack for C. J. Shroud. So they continue to wreak havoc week in and week out.

You know what? Look, I think Mike McDaniel is going to get a lot of votes for coach of the year, but right now, the Houston coach.

Yeah, that's the Ryan's.

Yeah, Demiko. Yeah, Demiko. Got to get it, man.

Yeah.

This team, how many games did he win last year, too?

Two.

They won two games. Two games last year.

They won two or three.

I think they won two games last year. How many games did they win last year, Ash? And the way they're playing, Joe, they're in every game. And a lot of times they go into these games, you're like, I think the Texas is going to mean he doesn't coach like a first year coach.

Right?

And CJ Stroud definitely doesn't play like a rookie quarterback at all. They were 313 and one last year and they've already doubled that. How many games they won? Six games, right?

I think seven. Six. And.

I know they're right there on the Jags heel. They're nipping on the Jags heel. They're seven and five. Seven and be.

He could definitely be coach of the year. Most definitely. But Mike McDaniels is also someone who is also deserving of it. But what Demiko has been able to do with the Texans in such a short amount of time, and what I like to say sometimes I don't want to say it the wrong way. They give us the hard. Where I'm going, of course you get where I'm going.

You ain't getting Big Ben. You ain't getting Rogers, you're not getting Mahomes, you're not getting those guys.

Okay. You see where I'm going?

They send her Melbourne to the jets. They send you the teams that don't have quality quarterbacks. And when it doesn't go well, they say, oh, well, you didn't turn it around.

Right? Yeah.

I know exactly. Tony, big Buck Buchanan, how you feel about the Falcons Jet game and if Falcons can win the NFC south, do you give us a chance to win a playoff game? I don't know about winning a playoff game, but I think you definitely have a chance to win that division. Yeah, because that division is not very strong. The Falcons still atop that division at six and six, followed by the Bucks at five and seven, New Orleans at five and seven, and Carolina obviously pulling up the rear at one and eleven. But yes, first of all, that game shouldn't have been close because at the end of the game, that was a fumble. That was an empty hand and they blew the whistle. The league has already told them, let the play go because we're going to review all scoring plays. We review all turnovers. So there was no reason for you to blow the whistle. Just like in the Kansas City Green Bay game. What did they do, ocho? They let him score the touchdown. We go to the booth, bring it back, bring it back. But you blow the whistle. Well, at the further review, the quarterback had an empty hand coming forward.

It was a fumble recovered by the Falcons. But you robbed him of a touchdown, right?

Yeah.

And the NFL has already said, let the play go. We can always come back. We got all turnover plays are reviewed. So. Yeah, but the Falcons, man, I'm Jess. I told you, ocho.

No, I know you didn't tell me. I told you. Listen, there was nothing. There was nobody. There is no magical answer. There's nothing we can do. Aaron Rodgers, talk about you coming back. Coming back to do what?

Coming back to do?

I love my jets. I'm talking about my jets. Listen, I'm a part of every goddamn team. I don't care what it is.

Sure, love.

I love my Jets. I love my Jets. I fucking love Zach Wilson. I'm going to stand on business about Zach. There is nothing you can put back there at the quarterback position. Jesus himself could come down and play quarterback for the jets. The results for the game today would still be the same. There is work that needs to be done. There's work that needs to be done internally and it starts from the top and it works its way down. Rabba Salah. You can't blame the coach. You definitely can't blame the coach at all. But listen, there's a lot of work that needs to be done over there in New York and they got to get, and I don't like the fact that they making Zach Wilson the scapegoat. They shouldn't. There's so many other areas that need to be fixed and addressed, and then you go from there.

Well, this is an organizational problem because here's the problem that they have. They've missed on two franchise quarterbacks in the span of about five years. Wait, who do they drafted? Sam Donald, number three overall.

Right.

And he didn't work out.

Yeah, but he was great at USC, though.

What you call him was great at BYU. And we just talked about this on Thursday. Just because you're great in college doesn't mean you're going to be great in NFL.

Wait a minute. Stay with me. Now, listen, I told you, the best thing for a quarterback, especially when you're young, is coming to a situation that is perfect for you. We have a supporting cast. I don't care who you are. There's 32 teams in the NFL. If a quarterback is only as good as his supporting cast, unless you are superior. And the only superior quarterback in the NFL right now, that is leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else. That is Patrick Mahomes. And right now, because he doesn't have a great supporting cast around him, he doesn't even look like Superman right now. So imagine another team. Look what's happened to Bryce Young. Another two years, they're going to be saying Bryce Young is a problem when.

It'S not his fault, ocho. But the problem is that normally when you go to a team that's so high, you're devoid of talent, that's why you're picking number one overall. That's why you're picking two. That's why you're picking three.

It's unfair, especially for the quarterbacks that get drafted early.

Yes. And so what you try to do is that you have a situation where you have get the quarterback and now you've got a few quality vet because they're young. At every position, the quarterback is young. You look at the wide receivers, they're young. And so there's no veteran wide receivers, right? So now you're coming in and you're like, man, we got to start from scratch. But that's really the only position that sets you back three years. You can miss at a linebacker, you can miss at a db, you can miss at any position. And it really won't set you back like it does if you doomed.

But you understand how difficult it is to find a quality quarterback. You know how difficult it is for a goddamn cj shroud to come along and act like he already been playing for goddamn ten years. You just plug in and he just go, difficult.

That's why you don't hear me throw the word around.

Elite. Yeah. Right.

That's why. Because the very reason what you said, do you understand?

Right.

Because you could have a game, you could have a stretch. But to do that over and over.

And over, that's difficult. Year in and year out, consistency is difficult.

Yeah, man, hold up. The five picks after darnold have all been to the Pro bowl. So sam darnold went number three. Denzel Ward, Pro bowl real deal. Bradley Chubb, Pro bowl real deal. Nelson, Pro bowl real deal. Josh allen, Pro Bowl. Rayquan Smith, Pro bowl.

Wait, oh, baltimore. Rayquan Smith.

He went to the Bears first.

That's right. Yeah. Adam boy was good. Everybody, you, name is the real deal.

And Chubb just got traded to miami because the Broncos like, well, we're not going anywhere.

Let's see if we can parlay Bradley Chubb. Yeah. Okay.

For the Broncos. Yeah. Zach wilson went number two to the Jets. Trey Lance went number three. Kyle Pitts went number four, went for a thousand yards, went to the Pro bowl his first year. Jamar Chase gone to the Pro bowl, real deal. Pinaisul, going to the Pro bowl, real deal. Going to the Pro Bowl. Michael Parson has gone to many Pro bowl, and he's been on all Pro every year. He's been in the league. But ocho, you miss on that quarterback, there's so much emphasis on him because he's your structural foundation. I don't care how much marble, I don't care how much mahogany and piano wood you got in your house.

Right.

Without that foundation and the quarterback, yeah.

It ain't going to work.

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Ocho.

I told you Thursday.

Yeah.

I say, ocho, if Alabama beat Georgia, they go into the college football playoffs. Now. I told you. I said, ocho, if I tear you a duck, smoke cigarettes, you grab him and check on his wing. He got a pack of butter. No.

I'm so glad we own this right now because you got to give me a better understanding of how in the hell Florida State go undefeated and don't make the playoffs. Somebody asked me, right? And the first thing I said, you know what? I don't even have to watch college football like that to understand the full teams that they pick. They choose to go, follow the money. Follow the money. Just follow the money. Outside of that, that is the bottom line. Come hella high water behind all things, and then they're going to talk. Stop thinking with your emotions. Stop thinking because you're a fan of that team or you have allegiance to them. That's your alma mater. Follow the money. That's what the committee is doing.

Ocho. The thing is that I don't know what people thinking, right? So you mean to tell me you thought the committee was going to leave 212 and one SEC teams out of the college football playoffs? Is that what you think? The toughest conference in the country, right? Year in and year out and you got 212 and one teams and you're going to leave both of them at home? I told you, and I was trying to explain to people, and I said it on ESPN, first take, I said, with their quarterback being injured and you own your second and third quarterback, I said, the committee going to hold that against. If I said if Alabama beats Georgia, they're going to the College football playoff. That's Bama.

If Georgia beat Alabama, then you think Florida State would have been in.

Florida state would have been in. Okay, because now, you take Georgia, you take Michigan, you take uw, and you take Florida State because nobody else has no compelling argument.

Right.

But Georgia just beat the number one team in the country. They were won eleven straight games. And Florida State struggled against Louisville, against, struggled against Louisville. They didn't need to beat a 40 to nothing.

Do they take into account strength of schedule? Does all that even matter or is it just about. Yes, Alabama. From the homework I did, Alabama had the fifth strongest schedule this year. Yes. So they're in, even though they have a loss. And the fact that they just beat Georgia.

They beat Georgia. They beat the number one. They beat the 29 team that hadn't lost in two and a half years.

Yeah.

They beat that team.

Okay.

And I knew, look, I like Kirby, but they were talking about Kirby is the best. No, Kirby is not. Kirby has had the best talent over the last two years.

Right.

Because you mean to tell me if coach label would have had that talent, he wouldn't have won the national championship.

Right.

I love Kirby. I like Kirby a lot. I don't love him. I like him a lot. And I think he's a fabulous coach. And he cut his teeth under coach Saban.

Right.

But St. Nick is where it's at. There's never been a coach in college football that was better than St. Nick. And I'm old enough to remember coach Bryant. I'm old enough to remember a lot of them. Not him. Dr. Tom Osborne, when he won all of his championships in the, when he had that Nebraska team in the 80s when they were the old big eight. I don't know if you remember the old big eight conference.

Not Tommy Fraser had Tommy Fraser and.

Nutcase Lawrence Phillips running back. They were, man, they averaged like 400 yards rush in the game with that option. They just bludgeon people.

Yeah.

They just beat people down.

Yeah. Well, you know what my next question goes. Well, now we all know the four teams that are in there is there.

Michigan's one, Washington's two, Texas is three, Alabama is four. So Michigan plays Alabama, Washington plays Texas.

So you tell me how it's going to play out, what you think. Look, did you hear for everybody that's watching, if you're gambling, if you're a gambling man, you're a gambling woman. You listen to UNC and bet your house on what UNC tell you.

This is what I do know. When it was announced, because they announced the first three teams first, right? Michigan, Washington, Texas. And who will face Michigan in the fourth spot when they unveiled it was Alabama. Did you hear the size that came over Michigan's locker room, they thought they was going to get Florida State and a second or third team quarterback and.

Make it easy to get to the national championship.

You're going to have to play. Yeah, you have to play because that's one thing about St. Nick. He gonna have them ready.

How do they match up, though? How do the Wolverines match up?

Michigan is a physical team. They try to bludgeon. Imagine. I can only remember only a handful of teams since he's gone back to Alabama that beat him running the football. You normally beat him with a quarterback? Yeah, it's a Cam Newton, right? It's a Johnny Manziel. Zeke ran him off the field, but Cordell Jones has some timely throws. Normally, if you beat him, even when they lost in the Sugar bowl that night to Trevor Knight, he threw for 300 plus yards. Normally, in order to beat an Alabama defense, you have to throw the football.

Is Michigan capable of actually throwing the ball up? Michigan, the field like that?

Michigan pride themselves says, you know what, we tougher than you.

Are we going to bully you.

That's what they believe. That's a Jim Harbaugh's philosophy.

Right.

If you watch them when he coached the 49 ers, you see how they played. They were suffocating with big fan. You are suffocating defense. And Colin Kaepernick and Frank Gore and that crew running the football, right.

I mean, you can do that if you have the personnel to do so. But we talk about Alabama. They got them holes. They got them holes.

Alabama, you know it. And Jalen Monroe has gotten better. And remember now, he was.

Yeah, yeah, he was benched. He was, yeah, I remember.

And he got the job back and he hasn't looked back. And so guys make him boned. Isaiah Bone, guys are making plays for him. That defense played outstanding yesterday. But Jalen Moreau, his legs is what got him because they could not give the ball back to Georgia. And he gets outside, he goes for 30, he stays in bounds, and then he gets a first down. The guy punches the ball out. The ball comes out, but he lands on it. They run the clock out. So I like this matchup. I'm not surprised. Of the four teams that made it, right? Texas. I love Sark. Sark is unbelievable. It's going to be a great game. But I think the game that people are kind of circling. Excuse me. Well, you got three blue bloods, Texas, Alabama and Michigan. You don't get any bluer than.

Right?

You don't get any bluer than that. Washington is the outlier. But man, this is a great matchup. The two program. I think Michigan is the winningest program in NCAA history in terms of football. I think Alabama is probably like three or four. Texas, the burnt orange is back in business. Yeah, Sark got him. And where did he go? Went to coach Saban, rehabilitated himself, got a job very deserving of the job at UT. Turned that program completely around because, you know, they come to the SEC next year, Texas, Oklahoma now and everybody tell me, oh, they're going to twelve. So now you're going to have five teams from the SEC. You're going to have four teams in the SEC from the SEC in the College Football playoff, right? And you're going to have two or three from the big team. So now you're going to be mad all over again because you're going to have 5617 from two conferences in the college football playoffs. And now you're mad. You lip stuck out what you want to do.

That's crazy. With strength to schedule, are the colleges, are the head coaches in charge of who you pick to play or is that done by somebody else separately? You should purposely, I mean, this is.

What I would you got to play x amount of SEC games, right? You got to play x amount of those.

But I would want my schedule to be a little bit more difficult. So when the time comes, the committee can't use strength of schedule as a reason for me not making it.

No, you don't. I ain't taking no chances, man. You think I'm going to go out there? If you think I'm some team in the big Ten, I'm going to play Alabama or I'm going to play Georgia. You out your damn. I don't know.

My boys would be ready.

Okay, guess who got the toughest strength of schedule? Such and such, but they got three losses. What that gon'get.

You?

Okay, you see, Alabama couldn't make it last year.

Florida State, we got damn undefeated. And look what they use the strength to say as well as the goddamn reason why they're not in bull. And then they're going to say, well, the quarterback ain't there. They down to their third string quarterback. What does that have to do with the matter of the fact that they are undefeated? What's the purpose of going undefeated? Going undefeated not rewarded.

It was such a bad break and I feel bad for Florida State, but I'm not surprised by the outcome of the committee taking Alabama, those three, because.

At the end of the money, if you saw the wolf of Wall street. Just follow the money.

Yeah, because Alabama going to bring them, bring them out. Bring them out. Who wins the national championship. The chat says 39% says bama, 30% says Michigan 16. And Texas and Washington both get 16%. So that just goes to show you that a lot of people still believe that Alabama is Alabama.

So they count out uw, man. Don't count out Jr. Now, Pennix Jr. The real deal back.

For sure, Texas might have the most balanced team both offensively and defensively because yours can throw the football. They got some great receivers running back and run the football. Their defense is solid. So from an overall standpoint, they're probably the most balanced, the most complete team.

Right.

But Michigan, people want to see Michigan and Alabama. They don't get an opportunity to lock horns much.

That'd be a good one.

And so that's going to be a good one. We kind of touched on this earlier, ocho. I made doca calls. LeBron, he said, stop crying like B-I-T-C h's.

Man.

LeBron, we're all grown men. That b word ain't cool. I'm a soft ass boy. Stop. B-I-T-C-H. Acting like you're going to do something. You see walking over here like you're.

Going to do something. Well, maybe Mr. I may Adoka. Maybe he want to smoke.

Okay. Get your ass toe up, coach. Get your ass toe up. Don't be playing. Look here, if you ain't got no pants on, you ain't got no jersey on, right? And you talking sideways.

Yeah, I mean, that's a good thing. Listen, the player, the rocket players, the rocket player. You see your coach talking trash to the king like that, you know what that do for the morale of the team? Oh, shit. We're going to play. We're going to play for this.

Oh, man. Coach got toe up. Coach got toe up.

Listen, especially when you deal with young kids, man, and they see you moving and operating like that, in that type of manner. Oh, say coach is really with that. He with the shit.

But see, the thing is with Braun is that Braun is like, he just like, want to get along. Braun just all about love, all about peace. He said, man, bro, just don't use that word loosely.

Right?

LeBron is trying to reason with the.

Game, coach trying to win a game.

I'm saying, okay, ame, now, you keep being like the cabbage, all head, no ass. Okay? You're going to find out. Okay, now you better stop.

Okay, hold on, hold on. I got to write that one down. Trying to be like a cabbage, all head and no ass. You think I'm stealing some of these? I'm going to use that one for real.

Bad people don't got the way they get reckless o cho, right? But like I said, I don't know how to locker room. But I came up in the 90s, another grown man wasn't going to talk to no grown man like that, right? Because everybody don't play. Everybody know how you talk to somebody. You can't talk to everybody. Like, I mean, you just.

It's different. I'm thinking of just playing on the park, man, playing ball, YMCA, parks, traveling. Like I said, being at Venice beach, being at the YMCA. Just pick up ball. Growing up. That's the way. Maybe it's where I'm from. Where I'm from. Listen, you understand, it's trash talk from 08:00 in the morning to 08:00 at night. And anything that has to do with anything competitive, no matter what, it doesn't matter whether it's spade, basketball, football, soccer, if you're fighting. And every punch, you saying the word bitch. Every punch, it just is a part of it. So it's really hard for me to understand why the word even bothers you that much when you know you're really not a bitch anyway. You know, you're not soft anyway, but it just comes with the territory, okay?

You see A-B-I-T-C-H slapping. That's all you got to do. If you see one slapping.

Right. I understand.

Okay.

I understand.

But here's the thing. When a man tell you to stop playing, if man tell you. Don't call me that again. Let that go, bro. Yeah, let that go.

Right?

Let that go. Just like. I get it. What you going to do?

Okay. Yeah.

Okay. Now you took. Okay, now, you took.

Right?

When you was in a basketball uniform. You never said that. You never said. Because LeBron played against him. You never said none of this. Now you on the sidelines, you're going to get tough.

Yeah.

Unless you got Kevlar on suits. Ain't. Don't make you tough unless you got Kevlar.

Yeah.

Man. See, LeBron could have hit it with the low blow and the end is all talk, but he said, you know what I ain't going to do?

Yeah. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Because, see, like me, they tell me when they go low, we go high. No, we don't. When you go low, I go to the basement, I'm going lower to you right? Yeah. I go to hell if I have to. That's how low I'm willing to go again.

I like it, though. I'm putting myself in the shoes of the players that play for the Rockets, man. You see our head coach?

Yeah, he got bad. Braun tore his ass up. I don't know why he was talking reckless to the king like that.

Listen, I understand. Everybody respects LeBron for all his accomplishments.

No, they don't. Let me talk to him reckless like that.

I know, but you're not understanding what that would do for the team, though. You got to understand and see where I'm coming from.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, look, if I'm on that team, I got to back up. I mean, my coach writing checks, but I got to cash, right? I got no problem because I played in Baltimore and Brian always wrote checks that we had to cash right now. Okay, fine. I don't got no problem with talking. Like I said, I just needed to know how we going to play the game, ocho, or we snap the whistle when they blow the whistle. We done snap till after the whistle, right? Do they break us up? However you want to do it.

You ready? Either way.

And I'm going to give it to you shipping and handling because I'm going to make sure you get it back because I don't want no question, and I ain't get what was due to me. You're going to get it back. I'm going to get you back.

Yeah.

I'm going to get your ass back. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because I can make everything look just like a play in the game. A block. I cut block you. I get you. And then. Man. Hey, keep on. Okay? You over the bumping them gums now? You tell me. Stop cutting. No, I couldn't. Stop running your mouth.

I couldn't do that. That's too much energy wasted. I needed all my energy.

And if I don't get you, I'm going to get your teammate. Hey, man, what the. Hey. Your boy running his mouth told me. Shut up. You his teammate?

Next man out. Sure.

If I don't get him, I'm going to get you. His is what it is.

That's funny.

Fair question Cleveland squad asked. So, with Purdy winning today, is he now in the lead for the MVP? What's Purdy? Numbers. I think dad got great numbers. Yeah. And I think the Cowboys are going to have a record good enough that will vindicate that and says if he gets the MVP and they lost three games already, so they go 14 and three they go 13 and four. He's going to have a good enough record and his numbers are going to be good enough that if he won the award, you can't argue with it.

I think Curti is 23 and six.

DaC is what? 26 and six? Dac is 26 and six. What's Lamar's number? Lamar is 13 and five. It's going to be hard because at the end of the day, ocho, you know this. People look like, oh, man, he winning. But, bro, you got to have stats to go along with those winnings. You look at Purdy's numbers, you look at DAC numbers. DaC has the same record as Lamar, and Purdy has the same record team wise as Lamar. But Purdy has ten more touchdowns. Dac has 13 more touchdowns. How are you going to get an MVP if they have the same record? How are you going to get mvp to Lamar? Yeah, with Purdy, with those numbers. With DaC, with those numbers. What's Jalen Hurts numbers. Jalen has 19 and ten. Yeah. Who else has some big time numbers?

Josh Allen leading the NFL.

Josh has like, I think he has like 29, 30 touchdowns total 24 and 13. Yeah, but I think the interception and the turnovers are going to cost him. So right now, for me, Purdy Dak and.

Thing.

But here's the thing, though, ocho, check this out. Considering Purdy team beat Dallas, Purdy team beat the Eagles, Purdy had what, seven, eight touchdowns. A clean game against both of them. I think in the boulder's eyes, they're looking at Purdy right now. In the Purdy dak. I think right now, purdy dak. Dak. Purdy. I think that's kind of where the voters are leading.

You know? I think what's going to happen is there's a gauntlet. There's a gauntlet of games coming up that are very difficult for the Cowboys. A gauntlet of games that are going to tell us who the real Cowboys are and what we're to expect.

They got the bill, and they got.

The Dolphins and the Dolphins. That gauntlet of games right there will be the test of time for the Cowboys. And I think if they can win two of those three, you might as well goddamn book it. DaC is walking away with that goddamn.

MVP trophy is 24 and ten. I think Tua probably has what, 22, 3000 yards. Wait, Purdy probably won't have the 4000 yards like a DAC, but that touchdown to interception ratio, Dac right now is 26 to six. Purdy is 23 to six. Lamar is 13 to five. Hearst is 19 to ten, but Hearst probably has another ten russian touchdown, doesn't he? Allen is 20, 413. CJ Stroud is 25, Tua 24 and ten.

Impressive.

But you know what? It's going to be a situation where it probably comes down to the last day because Dac has done a great job over the last three weeks of taking care of the football. Jalen Hurts has twelve russian touchdowns, so he's 31 touchdowns. How many fumbles? So he has ten interceptions. What? Five fumbles.

Just like music, man.

A rookie got 20 touchdowns with five picks.

That's crazy. Wow.

With five games to go.

Crazy. Yeah. Doing work.

Oh, he is. And it's not a situation where they're just like, oh, we're going to let you throw the ball on third down. No, he threw the ball on first down, second down, third and short. Third and long. They put the ball in his hands, they go make plays. But this MVP race is going to come down to the end. It's going to come down to just like right now. Hertz has 29 touchdowns and 14 turnovers. Ten picks, four fumbles.

Damn. It don't seem like he got ten picks, though.

Yeah, 31 touchdowns. Oh, 19 and twelve. My bad. Damn. I was looking at the 19 and ten. He has 31 total touchdowns with 14 turnovers. Does Purdy have any russian touchdowns? Let's get Purdy's numbers and DAC numbers.

I'm telling you right now.

Who you like if you got to pick one right now?

I like Dac. I like Dac. Everybody listen, everybody else continues to get their praise. I want to see know, get that goddamn monkey. Get that monkey off your back, man. Win your MVP. Go into the playoffs past the first round and get them people off your back, man.

You do know you win an MVP. You heightened the expectations. You know how that works, ocho.

Well, listen, he played for the goddamn Dallas Cowboys, so the goddamn expectations been out the goddamn roof regardless, okay?

They're out the roof now. They're about to go out of the world. They got to go out of the stratosphere, because now you play for the Cowboys and you got an MVP, which signifies you had the best season in a calendar season in a football season.

Yeah, that's fine.

I believe, considering what he's gone through in his adult life, the past tragic passing of his mom, the untimely demise of his brother, he built, yeah, he built for it. Most definitely. He built for that.

Most definitely.

We'll get back to those numbers. We've got a couple of questions. The real k love asks how y'all feel about Puka. Oh, Puka did it. Oh, Puka were pooing on him today.

Pukanuka. Yeah.

Pooka nakua. He pooped on the Browns.

Puka nakua is a real deal, man. This is one of the things about being a part of that McVeigh offense, man. Once they scheme up the plays for you to get the ball and understand that you are savvy enough to be able to win in situations and line you up in multiple positions, this is what you get. This is what you get. Cooper Cup. Pooka nakua.

But let me ask you a question like sliced bread. If I got Pooka Nakua on a rookie contract, do I really need to pay Cooper Cup? 1715, 16 million a year.

So what do you think they're going to do? They're going to make a business decision next year?

Yeah. I would ask them to take a pay cut or I might have to move on.

For real?

Yeah.

I don't know if that's Cooper cup, man.

They're going to be over the cap by big number. Big number.

Would they ask Aaron Donald to take a pay cut?

I'm sure, yeah. Dag has 28 total touchdowns, only six turnovers, which is great.

Phenomenal. As opposed to last.

I think they're right here, right now. Purdy got 25 total touchdowns, seven total. They right here. The thing that got Purdy head to head. He blasted Dac and he blasted Annie, blasted Jalen. Yeah, but if you say dak. If the voter was the day and Dak won it, I wouldn't be mad at you. I wouldn't even be mad at you.

I mean, you shouldn't be mad because I told. Yeah, I didn't. Told you ahead of time you're going to win it.

I wouldn't even be mad at you. I would not be mad at you. The Cowboys have the Eagles, who do the 49 ers play next week.

Ash.

Jalen Hurst has 31 total touchdowns, 14 turnovers. Allen is right up there also. Allen has a bunch of touchdowns also.

Yeah. I thought Josh Allen was leading the NFL in touchdowns.

He was, but he was on a buy. He's on a buy. And what you call him had a rush. Touchdown and a pass.

Touchdown.

No.

Okay. Hurts. The Eagles got.

49 to play the Seahawks next week. They got the Seahawks now, remember, they went to Seattle and put that thump on them on a Thursday night about two weeks ago?

Yeah.

Here's the 49 ers schedule. Seahawks, Cardinals, Ravens, commanders, Rams.

That last five, they could go four and one.

Yeah, four and one five and mean. They're going to give everybody, because, look, there is balance, as we're going to find in the National Football League. They can run it, they can throw it, they do a great job of protecting the quarterback and they do a great job of protecting the football.

Right.

So they're going to be a tough hour for anyone, no matter where you play them at. I think the Ravens go to San Fran, don't they? Or do San Fran come east? It's in San Fran.

That's going to be a good one.

That's going to be a good one.

That's going to be a good one.

The Nathan High Voltage 52 says, I'm an objective cowboy fan. That's a lie. There is no objectivity with a cowboy fan. But you will ask the question and we're going to answer. I've never said this. This is our year. Being a cowboy fan is like being a parent of a bad child hoping they get better with age. But I couldn't wait to say about my cowboys after a loss, I'm glad you know. I'm glad, you know, because, you know, when you got a bad kid, they blame everybody. It's the teacher. They ain't teaching my son, they pick on my son, he get on the bus, he pulling people here and he doing all this stuff. That bus driver don't like my son. That's what it is. I know he think he sleep in my son. My kid good. No. If your kid bad at home, what the hell you think your kid going to be when he take his ass to school? If he ain't listening to you, if he ain't listening to you, you think he going to listen to somebody that's not you, but Nathan high voltage. Thanks for your question, bro. I don't know if there's such thing as a.

That seems oxymoronic to say objective and cowboy fan. It's like saying quiet riot or jumbo shrimp. How you be jumbo and a shrimp? Shrimp by nature is miniature and then Jumbo is big. So you can't have jumbo miniature and you can't have objective cowboy fans. But appreciate it. Nathan High voltage 52. For your question, Rob Schneider asked, I don't think that's the one that you're thinking of. Ocho, what team in your guys playing days did you want to see on Sunday because you knew they had some hitters and it was going to be a physical game. Shout out to the Niners.

What team you wanted to see?

I want to see any of them. I mean, look, there are certain teams that there were finesse teams and some, you had to buckle that thing up.

Yeah.

Anytime we play Kansas City, we know Kansas City, Kansas City will come back. Because back in the 90s, they were defensive based teams. I don't want people to think that what you see, today's Kansas City, they weren't like that. They had heavyweight, they had DT Neil Thomas, Joe Phillips, Dan Salamua. They had thumpers, they had Duran Cherry. They had Martin Bayless. They had Kevin Ross, they had Albert Lewis, they had Dale Carter, they had James hasty. They had thumpers. They had headbusters on that side. So you knew and they were going to cheap shot you. So you had to keep your head on a swivel. And so every chance you get, hey, they try to send one of yours out the game, you try to send one to the emergency room.

It is what it is. I think for me, the NFC was very easy and they weren't really physical at all. But when it came to that AFC north, when it came to the AFC north, you better have two motherfucking chin straps when you play the Steelers and you play the Ravens during that 2000 era, man. Shit.

But you know, ocho, before you got there, it used to be the Ravens, the Steelers, the Jags, the Titans, the Browns and the Bingles. That was the AFC north.

Real, all them. Yes. I ain't know that.

Yes.

I appreciate that.

History lesson. All of us was in the same. In the 2000s, we had to play the Titans, the Jags. Tennessee used to thump, too. Yeah, when they had the freak. When they had the freak. Yeah, man, if I wish people could have seen, could have, could have seen the freak before he got injured, he messed his ankle up.

Javon Kirsch.

Yeah, man. Hey, and all they get on defense and they play and they come over the PA system. Freak out. He coming. He had the quickest first DT had. But for a man his size, he had the quickest first step I ever seen. Yeah, man. That joker being a wide nine and at the snap of the ball he crossed your face if you ain't careful, right? Oh, man, he was. Oh, he was special. And the thing is, what made Tennessee, there was a hatred between us and Tennessee. There was a hatred between us and the Steelers. We hated them.

Hated.

And that's when they had who they have. They had JP Joy Porter. They had was Gildon.

Joy. Used to talk some Earl Holmes.

Did you play against? Yeah, man, and, man, they had another lineback. He ended up going to Kansas City. I can't think of the dude name. But ocho boy, he would drop that thump on your ass from Universal Georgia. What was his name?

The boy with.

Had, so because here's the thing, Steelers, they known for defense and the Ravens, we had Ray, we had Peter Bolware, we had Rob, we had Mike McQuarrier daily. Yeah. Adelias. When I got in 2000, Adelias was a rookie so ad didn't get much playing time when I was there. Then when I left he moved into the starting lineup.

Right.

Kendra Bell, that was his name.

I remember Kendra Bell. He's a thump boy. I remember Buddy.

What?

I remember Buddy. Buddy used to thump boy. Yeah, Jit was nice. Jit was nice. He was nice.

Yeah, man. Steelers used to bring pain. And you know what, you know who a coach used to talk a lot of smack? Coach cower Bill. Yeah.

He don't look like no trash.

Don't let him fool you. Oh yeah, coach, I know you will get. We used to go at it. We used to go at it.

Yeah.

Mike asks what do you think about Mike Evans and where he fits in other elite receivers. Ten straight seasons of 1000 yards. I look because he came up, nobody ever thought that he was Fitzgerald or he's Tyreek. Now you got chase, you got Jefferson. So sometimes you could have great career and it gets overshadowed.

Right?

And I'm afraid that's what happened with Mike Evans. What you think?

I mean, I love Mike. I love Mike. He doesn't talk much. He just puts his hard hat on. He goes out and does what he needs to do year in and year out. Regardless of who's that quarterback, regardless of who's at the helm. He catches the Ball, he scores touchdowns and he's had consistent 1000 yard receiving yards for a decade straight. That in itself is an enormous feat and it's commendable. And he is definitely a hall of famer for doing so.

Yeah. Consistent, difficult is the key.

Yeah.

And for the most part he shows up. He shows up every single year. And you know what you're going to get out of it.

Yeah.

You know what you're going to get out of it. So kudos to Mike Evans. Congratulations. Ten straight 1000 yard receiving seasons. Boy, to start a career, that's saying something. That's saying something. Carlos Smith asks who had a better big three, Utd Elway or troy emerity playmaker. Man, them jokers played together. Hold on, they played together.

Good trio.

Yeah, but they see they were together from 89, from 90, 90. So 90, they played together until about 99. John only played 95. Only played four years with TD.

Damn.

Only played four years with TD because John retired after the 98 season and TD got hurt in 99. He was okay, but he wasn't the same. Once he towards me, he wasn't the same. I had left and went back, but I talked more ish than any in playmaker, that's for sure. I bet you that. But it's hard to argue. Emmett won two mvps. They won three Super Bowls in four years. We won two. The triplets. We had our version of the triplets with myself, John and TD, but the triplets give them to do.

My triplets was better than y'all, though. Who? Me, TJ and Chris Henry. What you mean who?

You gotta have a running back and a quarterback.

We had Rudy Johnson and Carson Palmer. What you talking about?

This man say Rudy Johnson. You better be talking about goddamn old fat Albert Rudy.

Nah, I'm talking about Rudy Johnson. Auburn. You the motherfucking versity that Rudy Johnson.

Yeah, you said Rudy Johnson better than TD.

I'm talking about trios. Did I say anybody was better than anybody? We talk about trios, right? We had my own trio, too.

So you put Carson over, huh?

I'm talking about Trio.

That's what I'm saying. You, Carson and Rudy.

Nigga, we better than both of y'all. Trios. Talk about y'all don't want to.

All I know now, two of the three trios that we got, our three members in the hall.

What you got a cold? Not a hallway, cough drop. Hall.

Football heaven. Football heaven.

That's all right. Listen, everybody ain't fortunate, but I like my trio better.

I can't believe that you put Rudy Johnson in front of TD and Emmett.

Man, I'm putting my teammate before whoever. I put my teammate before whoever and whenever. And I like my trio better than your trio and the cowboy trio.

Well, you better combine Corey Dillon and Rudy Johnson. And Iggy Johnson and Iggy woods.

Matter of fact, quiet is kept. Corey Dillon is the better running back than everybody you just named.

On the Bengals.

No, I'm talking about TD and Emmett.

Corey, you realize that TD averaged 142 yards a games in the playoff rushing?

Why you mentioned this stuff that we can't control as individuals. That is a team accomplishment.

Your guy didn't average 142 yards. My guy got 2000.

How did he get 2000? Because what?

Running the football.

I know. Did he run by himself or he had help?

Your team should have got him 2000.

Don't talk about my.

Did you all have any running plays? Yeah, we have no running plays.

We did okay.

My guy was being out of the game. My guy, during his 2000 yard season, was out during the third quarter. Wouldn't he play the fourth quarter out at the half? Because he don't ran for 160 yards at the half.

Can I tell you something?

Does that.

I don't care none about them numbers. I'm still going my trio. I'm going my trio. What you finish that, you ought to be. Whoa. Now we talking my mother.

Hold on.

Your 98 broncos ain't beating the 2005 Bengals. Don't do that. Let me take my.

We to beat you all to your shit. Then we beat you all for shit on the field.

Yo, the 2005 bangles. Your 98 Broncos was not beating us. Stop playing, man. Stop thinking. Just stop thinking. Just always the Bengals. Oh, we finna run.

You not beating y'all the Bengals. But you just said it. Stop thinking.

I'm thinking of the concept of the old Bengals and how we were thought of old Bengals.

New Bengals, y'all suck.

You was not beaten. You know.

Mean, I appreciate you sticking up for your team, and that's very commendable of you, but we'd have beat the dog.

I'm not trying to be funny. I'm not trying to make jokes. I mean, statistically speaking, the 2005 yard season, one of the best ever. And your 98 Broncos had never had a season like that. Like we had offensively, you were not going to beat us. You would have not beat us that 2005 year, it might have been six. I forgot what year it was.

I don't care. What if you combine the seasons.

Do.

You understand what we had?

Do you understand what we had? We had Rudy Johnson, Carlson Palmer, Chris Henry, myself.

You all won eleven games. Do you realize we went a three year span? We won 39 total games in three years.

I don't care nothing about what you did then. I'm talking about that 2000 beat us. I'm guarantee you wouldn't have beat us.

From 96 to 98 if we won less than twelve games out of retirement. You won eleven games. You all celebrating.

And listen, I'm talking about your team, your nine eight team beating us. It wasn't happened offensively. We would have ran you all off the motherfucking field into the locker room.

And I mean that respectfully, ocho, the 98 Broncos, we were second in porn score. You know who was first?

Who?

Minnesota. That was Randy Mouse's rookie year.

What does that have to do with.

What I just said, ocho? Y'all couldn't beat the Steelers.

Why did we beat the Steelers. What happened? Are you. What happened? Why didn't we beat the Steelers? What happened the first play of the game?

I don't know.

You know what happened?

How about this here? We played four games without John Elway in the regular season. We played four games and averaged more points with Bubby than we did with John.

With who?

And we averaged 30. Bubby Bristol.

Hey, I remember Bubby Bristol.

We'd have read y'all last Bubby.

You all wouldn't have beat us.

We ran you all out the field.

Shit me.

We outscored you all by 80 points.

You outscore who by 80 points?

We outscored you all. We scored 501 points. You all scored 421. I'd have been embarrassed to score with that offense we had, let me tell you.

Listen, I love you, uncle.

I love you.

I love what you all had. You all would not have beat out 2005 Bengals. Man, I'm just telling you. I'm just being honest.

You all could do it.

I'm just being honest. How would you all going to stop us? Think about that.

Do you see the 49 ers? You see the 49 ers with Brock Purdy?

Yeah.

You see how that offense looked? So now you imagine TD ran for 2002, 1000 yard receivers, a ten touchdown tight end. Our offensive line was just as good.

We had 2000 yard receivers, too. What are you saying? What are you saying?

We to beat the ish out of you? Well, there's no way. All I know is this. Here we're chronicled as the twelveth best team in NFL history. I don't know where you all chronicle.

I ain't worried about all that. I don't care about chronicles. I know what happened. If we had played you all well.

All you had to do.

You know what I bet the chat? The chat probably not even agreeing. I bet the chat on your side because y'all won the playoffs. Y'all won the Super Bowls. The chat is delusional, too. And everybody in the chat, that's not for the Bengals. I see you and lose my phone number I gave y'all earlier, too.

Just you and rail for the Bengals and rail sleep. So only you for the Bengals right now.

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Ocho NFL matchup asks, can you tell us your experience lining up against Dion? Chad caught him in Baltimore. I would like to hear the stories about. Did you catch. No. Look, we didn't throw no balls at time. When he was at the Cowboys, we didn't throw no balls at him.

Yeah, you better not.

Why throw balls at time when we can beat hell out of the rest of the guys? We had the ball five times in the first half. We had 35 points. So why mess with time? Yeah, time had an easy day TD, had two carries for 126 yards and two touchdowns or two carries. I had three catches for 90 yards and two touchdowns in the first half. Look, I think that the thing is, see, if you watch time highlights, it doesn't do him justice. No, they wouldn't throw the. Listen, I don't care how good Trayvon Diggs is, and J Ram and Xavier and Howard, and they're all good players.

It's different. He's different. He's different.

They would not throw the ball. They would throw the ball.

Time.

Say, if you throw the ball my way again, he would tell if you throw this all the way again. I'm going to pick it. I'm going to go. I'm a high step on you.

Okay.

They're going to strike up the band. Okay.

Yeah.

We're not afraid. We run our offense, and if the offense calls for us to throw the ball, okay?

Yeah. Okay.

And the next thing you know, he doing this on you now. You're looking like some boo boo the fool.

Yeah, I saw prime once. Matter of fact, prime was. He played the nickel, if I'm not mistaken. I'm trying to remember because ideall Carter was on me throughout that whole game. And prime was in Baltimore and he wore 37. I think he wore 37 because he was 37 years old at the time. We never did get a chance. I think we lined up against each other maybe once or twice, and I wish we had been mic'd up because all we did was sit there and talk shit the whole time, the whole goddamn game. That was for me as a kid, as a player, and just being able to share the field with somebody like that, with somebody of that magnitude that I actually looked up to and wanted to be like, even though I'm not a db, something about. Think about that. I'm on the field with, man. I was standing in line trying to buy shoes, trying to do the glove, trying to wear the socks. I used to put on like three or four socks just to get him up high and roll him. That was one of the greatest moments of my about.

It wasn't no touchdowns or catches, but being able to share the football field with somebody like dog, that was unbelievable. That was unreal.

Hey, unkenocho. Uncultured J asked, hey, unkenocho, what was your first starstruck moment? Also, ocho, you didn't hear it from me, but someone said your forehead looks like you use echolocation. What that mean? What's echolocation?

I don't know, Shane. That roll, my forehead. My forehead is intact.

You need a little Botox like your boy?

No, I don't need no Botox.

I don't do no Botox either. No, you got a bone here.

This ain't number knowledge.

What was your first starstruck moment?

First starstruck moment. Oh, that's a good. That's a good one right there, man.

The preseason.

That's a good one, man.

My first preseason game, I mean, my second preseason game, we played the 49 ers. Jerry, Joe Montana, Steve Joe.

Right.

Jerry. I caught a touchdown on a Monday night, right. And hit the hammer on him. Don't hurt him. Hammer.

Yeah.

Don't hurt him. Hammer.

Yeah, that's a good one. So, I mean, outside of football, I mean, just life in general. Do you have a starstruck moment? Because I'm trying to think of mine.

In 93, the Super bowl was in Atlanta.

Yeah.

I got on the elevator, I'm getting on the door, open up. Michael Jordan and his first wife on the elevator.

Nah, boy. MJ.

I get on the elevator, and all of a sudden, it's like this glowing, that boy. And I'm looking, and I'm looking at him. He's like, man, this dude a weirdo.

You ain't say none?

I did. I say, hey, I'm Shannon Sharp. He said, I know who you are. He said, I met your mom in the casino. Yeah. He said, yeah, I know you and your brother. Y'all some bad boys.

Yeah, I'm just using Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan, yeah.

Now, I worked out. I met Denzel, his son, John David, used to train with my trainer when he was in.

Right, right.

Met Samuel Jackson, met Oprah in the four Seasons. Gail David Beckham. Victoria Beckham. I don't bumped it. But to see Michael ocho, and I tell people this, and you look at, as a matter of fact, go listen to Damon Lillard said when he saw him at the 75th anniversary, he said he didn't say anything to him. Say he couldn't believe it.

Right.

Ocho, this man doesn't seem real. He's the only man that I've ever seen. He seems mythical. I know that's Michael Jordan. I'm looking at him. That's a man, right? That's what. Ocho, there's something about, man, he levitate, and anybody that's ever met him, from Shaq to everybody, say the exact same thing. He doesn't seem real.

Yeah, that's dope.

And I met him on several occasions, because he and Oak are very good. And so when Oak was with the wizards, got me tickets, I went to the game, went back. So I'm leaving and I'm walking, and somebody stick the head out the window. Man, take out that tight ass shirt. You too big for that shirt. It's Mike. He yelled out of the window. Somebody take out this tight shirt. That little ass shirt. Ocho, I can't put it into words, but this man is like. He levitating when you talk to.

Yeah.

Have you ever met him?

Yeah, I met MJ once. It was a golf tournament. A golf tournament that I had to go to. I didn't say much. He was smoking a know I walked by sugar's hand. It's a pleasure. I kept it moving. But for me, starstruck, probably my first time. My first time was meeting Cristiano Ronaldo when I was with Nike. At the time, I was a rookie, and what I did during my off seasons, for those of you listening, my first love has always been soccer. It always will be if you follow me on Twitter. Obviously, I know you're sick of the soccer content, but when I was with Nike in 2001, maybe 2002, whatever year it was, it made it easy to bridge the gap with the other athletes that were sponsored by Nike as well. Obviously, with the understanding of how much I love the game of soccer every offseason. Where do you think I travel to during the offseason to go watch soccer matches to Europe? So I use the relationship with Nike to meet the players consistently, year in and year out. I forgot at what one point, at this point, now, Cristiano was Real Madrid.

So I had my agent call. Listen, Chad Johnson, he's flying out. He's coming to a game. It happened to be El Classico. He wanted to come to practice. He wanted to meet Cristiano. I think Jose Mourinho might have been there at that time. The special was at the time, dude, and I had the opportunity to meet Cristiano in his prime, like, the real deal. And, dude, it didn't even seem like how you met, when you met Jordan. It didn't even seem real. It didn't even seem real. Cool as hell. He's talking about working out, training. He wanted to know my nutrition, what I ate, but obviously he wasn't doing that, man. He just really locked in and really, it was crazy. One of the greatest experiences ever. And you don't know what that's like to meet someone of that magnitude, of that caliber. One of the greatest to ever play, ever, graced the pitch and played a beautiful game. Was awesome. And so from that point on, obviously, I met Messi. After that, Messi didn't really know English, so the connection, really, it wasn't the same. Like me and Cristiano, though. That shit was fucking bananas.

That shit was crazy to me. That would be my starstruck moment. And we've been cool ever since. We've been cool.

Magic, too.

But magic, magic. Magic was dope.

Of all the celebrities that I've ever met, and I've met a bunch, magic Johnson makes you feel like he's known you for 35 years.

That's how I treat people when I meet him in person.

That joker, man. May, how your brother. Tell your brother and say hello, man. Your mom doing good. How you keep, bro? Every time I've ever met magic, that's how he makes you feel. Yeah, he's just a great man. I'm talking about great. And not to say mean, I've never had a bad interaction with Mike. Mike the same way, you know? Hey, but I think a lot of it, because he and Oak are very good friends. And Oak and I used to work out together. Anytime I'm back in Atlanta, I call Oak. I was like, oh, man, I'm at Houston. He say which one he gonna pull up. If Oak in Atlanta and I'm somewhere.

Eating, oak coming, he coming.

And vice versa, right? Hey, I called oak. I said, man, because I had said, when the Cleveland Cavaliers beat the Golden State in the finals, I'm going to the parade. They won. Oh, you coming now you done told everybody on tv. I said, man.

Oh.

He said, hey, I already got everything taken care of. I got backstage passes. I got all this situation. Just fly in, I'm going to pick you up from the airport. Just tell me what time. Came in, hung with Oak, went to the parade, got back on the plane. All the guys have been great. But, man, that magic.

Matter of fact, now we on a starstruck. Is there anybody you haven't met? For me, there's one person that I haven't met, and I don't care. I lose my motherfucking marbles. I lose my fucking mind. If I had the opportunity to sit down. I just want to have a conversation. All I need is 30 minutes. My favorite actor. I'm not sure if you know who Daniel Day Lewis is. You know who Daniel Day Lewis is? Played in Lincoln. Played in Lincoln.

Lincoln.

Gangs of New York.

There will be blood.

There will be blood, dog. Listen, if I could just meet this motherfucker just one time.

We want three lead actors.

Oh, yeah.

Only going to every three lead actors.

The man, I'm retired. And he's one of my favorite. Maybe edging out maybe the favorite. I just want to meet him one time and sit down and just talk with him. One of the greatest method actors of all time that I've actually seen. Lose themselves in character, become somebody that you don't even recognize outside of who they truly are. And I just want to meet him. I just want to meet him. I love him to death. I love all his work and all his work. Everything he does, the roles that he takes. You talk about range. You talk about being an actor and having be. That'd be a dream for me.

And actually, I met Denzel last year. He was at the game in which LeBron became the all time scored leader. The OKC game. I think it was like February or March. I went to the game and had a conversation. He introduced me to his wife. He was explaining to his wife, he said he was the guy that looked after John David when he was in Atlanta because I used to work out with, you know, he wanted to play in the NFL. He ended up going to the getting. He was on the practice squad with the Rams. And then he ruptured his. Yeah. To be able to meet the guys, to meet Floyd Mayweather, to meet all the guys. Being on this side of what I do now and being able. That's the best part about my job. Yeah, I get to talk about sports and I get to talk about a lot of stuff and people ask me, but the best part of my job is that I've been able to meet people that even when I played, I didn't get an opportunity to meet. And so, especially as far as non athletes. Oh, I met Tyler Perry.

Hey, TP.

I met Drake. What's funny is when you meet people and the first thing they say, man, you funny as you, you and you be talking that and you know what you're talking about, too. Oh, I watch you. I've had so many people that I'm like, I know you don't, because, ocho, I'm never going to be arrogant enough to assume everybody knows who I am, right? So anytime I meet anybody. How you doing? I'm Shannon Sharp. I know who you are. You don't, but that's just me. I'm not assuming you know who I am, but, man, that's been my greatest, is to meet the people that I've had an opportunity to have an interaction.

Dope. That's dope?

That's all you got? Chris Pearson asked Uncle Ocho, what were your favorite shoes growing up and favorite shoes you have now. Nice. Because Ocho probably got shoes from payless. His laptop caught fired last.

Mean the laptop from last week. Bought that from a homeboy. I bought that from a homeboy. I know it wasn't numbered. $150. Man, you think I wasn't passing that up? Laptop for $150?

That used to be the case. I mean, it used to have phone. You get your phone, get a phone for $30. It will last about a few months. Now it won't last for a month before they cut it off.

Well, listen, the laptop lasted me, what, three months of the season we in December now. Yeah.

You plugged the wrong charge in there. Tell him what really happened. He plugged the wrong charge in there and he burnt it up.

That was what happened. How you know?

Because I know. I know you.

That's literally what happened. Duh.

Yeah, I know what happened. My favorite shoes. Good luck. When I was growing up, Nike was not what it was. You had the cons, you had the weapons, the Dr. J's, the magic Johnson, or the Larry birds. And then when spud Webb won the dunk contest. He won the dunk contest in city wing ponies. I went and got me a pair. Nike really didn't take off until Jordan. Now ice man and Moses Malone. There are a lot of people that wore nikes, but ain't nobody. Nike wasn't like converse was the shoe.

Yeah.

Adidas. Kareem had the top ten. Adidas, but it was mainly converse. All the top guys, the magics, the birds, the mark Aguire, all those guys. I think Isaiah also. Isaiah was an Adidas guy. Because I think he had Adidas from Indiana. But Nike now with Michael, and they came out with them. Chicago's.

Yeah, it was a rap.

It was a rap for everybody.

It was a rap for got for me. My favorite shoe is. I'm not sure if nobody gonna remember. Obviously, when I went to school, all I wanted was some bally kids. No pro kids. I wanted Bally's. You remember Bally's? We know what Bally's. Bally is still out. Yeah. Of course, there was a specific bally. It was a specific valley. Back in the early 90s. We call them the animal valleys. They came in yellow, blue, black, red. And just a low top or a high top. And it just had animals. It had, like, cows going around the soul. I begged my grandma for a pair of them goddamn ballies. My football cleats that I wore wasn't Nike. It wasn't shark. Remember Nike sharks back in the day? The old Nike sharks? It was the ponies. The pony cleats.

I had ponies.

You had pony cleats.

Used to make. What you call them also, you know, convert. Used to make cleats.

For real?

Yes.

I ain't know that. And when I was in high school, all I wanted was them all black. They were all black pony cleats. In high school, I used to wear a pair of troops. I bet you remember the troops I heard about. You remember troop. No, man, I had the troop. I had the troop. Sweatsuit.

I remember sweatsuit. I know they made shoes but I remember sweatsuits, man.

I had the shoes and all, man. They used to be ranking. They used to be ranking. Me, too.

Procads was a shoe, right? You had zips.

What about rules? You have some rules with a zip on the side. You ain't had rules. Come on.

You had the cons came in. You had to have those all white lows and high. Still wear the canvas one, but they came in green, black, red, blue. Had all kind of colors, but I think I had the white, the lows and the highs and had a blue pair of lows. Hold on.

What about lottos? You remember lottos?

I do. I do remember lottos.

What about theodores? Remember theodores?

Yeah.

Oh, I got one for you. I got one for you. What about the. I had the purple etonics, the green, the orange.

I remember the tonics, the gray. But, you know, back then, see, you get them crease jean, you had to. Had a start. Heavy start.

Oh, yeah.

You should have clicked a heavy start.

Yeah.

Had Lee jeans. You had Lee's. You had Calvin Klein. Sergey Rigoletto.

Yeah.

The Valentino. Yeah. With the eyes. You could hit me in ass with a red out. Boy, I will clean. Boy, I will clean.

Yeah. I ain't had none of that.

And I had me a members only, you know. You had the members only.

What you know about the member only jacket, man? I had a beige and a black one.

Yeah, I had the eyes on. Had the eyes on. Sock eyes are built.

For us. Back then, when I was in high school getting fresh. You get your Tommy Hilfiger outfit. Tommy Hilfiger set or polo set with the. I'm talking about the old Reeboks.

You talk about the old black aerobic Reebok. Bingo.

Yeah. With the strap, the two straps. Couldn't tell you nothing.

Yeah. See, Tommy Hilfiger came out. I was in college that was kind of like around like the 80s, like 87, 80. Hill figure. Tommy Hill figure.

Tommy, them short sets with the collar, man. Boy, you get them with them all white. With them all white boys.

Yeah. See? What was that? Them jams. You remember them jams? The matching top and the shorts? Nah, you ain't have no jams.

I don't know what that is.

I'm the jam King. It was a short set, but the top and the shorts match. They're exactly right. Shirt match. The shorts, they call them jams. No, I ain't never heard of you. I would clean with them jams on a little bit. Yeah, man, it was back in the day.

Throwback you know what's so funny? We live in Miami, right? And like the big boy, I'm going to say the big boys. I don't want to say the D word. You know what I'm talking about? The big boys. The big boys used to wear the leather pants, man, these weather leather pants.

I got some leather pants now. We'll bring them back out for real.

With the kuji sweater, man. Mind you, we in Miami, man. Yeah, with the big man. The jewelry, man, the ring. I'm like, of course, a bad grandma. I'm in high school, mama. All I want to do, all I want to go up my ballies, please, is a pair of black leather shorts from Rasul's. If anybody in Miami watching me, anybody in Miami right now, you know what I'm talking about. The leather shorts. You get them from Rasul's on 7th Avenue. I never forget. And my grandma bought me for Christmas one Christmas, bought me some leather pants. Leather short pants to go in my black valleys. And I had my lacoogi sweater. Yeah, man, you couldn't tell me nothing that first day of school went after Christmas break, man.

You couldn't tell me nothing bad. It was a day bad. I miss when my grandfather take my brother and I shopping. Yeah, he take us Easter shopping and we get a suit. So the way my grandfather, I mean, suit with $30, you get a suit, man, my granddad is like, man, I just spent $60. You ought to give me the shirt and the tie for free. My granddaddy go bargain. He sure does.

Every time he get a.

Every time. Yeah, man, we bet a $30 suit come Easter. Yeah, man. My brother being my brother, dressed to the nine. Yeah, go ahead.

Oh, that's throwback, man. Who asked that question? Just brought back memories like that, man. That was a good question. Chris Pearson, now he got my memory jogging about the. That's crazy.

But I bet you a lot of people in this chat going to remember them. Jams.

It must be where you from.

I know Florida, because you all always had the matching top and bottom. Yeah, but they had print. But they had print. They had like, flowers on them and they had trees. They have animals. They call them jams. Yeah, you remember the jelly shoes. I know you remember the jelly for.

The women they like see through.

Yeah, ninjas wore them, too.

Where are you from? Dudes had on jellies back then.

Everybody wore jelly. And you mess around and rock, get caught in the heel up because they had opening the side of the heel. Yeah, Rock, get caught on your shoe.

In the jelly, man. Madame Ear thing is and went dead. Forget it. I'm going to work without them. Hey, Jelly. Jelly's is for women, man.

Jelly for everybody that could afford $4, $5 to get them and put them slide their feet on them.

Oh, hell. Goddamn, Jelly. I knew exactly what you're talking about. Too goddamn real. Say she watching, baby. You had you some jealous.

Oh, yeah. No rail has up.

Hey, goddamn, I'm trying to think what else, man? What else? From back then, back in the day.

Oh, Joe.

Oh, man. He got some good memories.

You probably had them wrangler jeans. You from Florida. You had on wrangler dreams, Yank?

No, I had 501. I had Levi's with the creek with the heavy crease with the starch with.

The yellow top with Niagara.

Yeah. Remember, you remember the polo boots?

Yeah, for sure, ocho. But see, here's the thing. When you run out of starch, see, you ran out of starch. We use flour water and we make our own. Yeah, that's what you use, flour, water. Flour water. That was starch. Yeah, I know you did. See, you had it good. You had it good. You had to make do. Yeah, I remember that thing. Oh yeah? Every night from the time I was about the eigth grade. Because my grandma taught me how to iron my clothes and stuff. Because she's like, baby, granny ain't going to be ironing your clothes no more. I was like, okay. I washed it, fold it like this and put it up there. I put it on the ironing board, ironing myself from the time I was about the eigth grade all the way till I probably stopped creasing my jeans. Probably about 96. I wore creasing my jeans to about 96.

Yeah, I like.

Yeah, from the time I about twelve to the time I about 28. But I got about a 16 year run out of increases. I'm talking about sharp two cut you. Yeah, ocho, I was so clean one night a fly land. No matter. I cut his throat. I said, how dare you mess up my outfit. Off with his head, ocho. Bad. You clean.

Yeah, that's dope, man. Damn, he jogs some good memories.

Brian west asks, hey, no, cho, I'm standing up past my bedtime for work to ask this. Can y'all do a raffle giveaway for the subscribers that can't watch live? But I do listen faithfully to the audio at work first thing in the morning. Can we do something for the. How do we do something for the. Okay, Brian, you know what? We're going to work something out. We go work something out for our audio listeners because like you said, you do have to work and we want you to continue to work, but we want you to continue to faithfully listen to us. So we're going to come up with a way to reward people that can't stay up and watch the live but do get an opportunity because we want everybody to have an opportunity to benefit from the success.

Wait, live. Stay up late. What time is it? It's early, ain't it? It's 1030. Yeah.

Man, it's 130 here. East coast.

Ojo real?

Yeah, I'm looking at my watch. I said, damn, it's early here. I said, we got a couple of more hours. I know we don't.

Well, how long we've been on?

How long we been on?

Hour and a half.

You lying.

How long we been on?

Ash just lived up here smiling. 220.

We've been on here for 2 hours? Yes. Have you been on here for 2 hours? For real? Yes. God damn.

Guys, we want to thank you. Hey, make sure you click that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Guys, we want to thank you. You got us to 394 subs. We're five, 6000 away. How many will we now? How many subscribers are we away now?

Five. Damn. We've been on here.

We're about to hit 397. So we're about to be 3000 away from 400. Guys, you've been amazing.

Unbelievable.

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We got to get the people in the Christmas spirit. Okay, what's we got to sing? A Christmas song like the end of show.

What do you want?

Silent night. Yeah. Let's sing silent night. Let's sing silent night.

Hold on, hold on. You ready?

No, I ain't ready yet. Hold on, hold on. Okay. This is to get you all in the spirit. Make sure. You all follow me on Twitter and instagrams. Hold on. Yeah, I'm ready. Hold on.

You geared up? Get ready to go?

Yeah, hold on. Let me drink some of this Red Bull. Boom. Okay, I'm ready. Let me know you're ready. I'm going to stay within my range so I sound good. Oh, you know, I told the people, me and you going to do Christmas Carolyn.

Christmas Carol.

Yeah. Christmas Carolyn.

You ready?

Yeah. You want me started off? You got it. You ready?

You can start off.

Silent.

Silent night. Holy night.

All.

Right. Round bird in my mother.

Yeah. Bring us home now. Holy.

Tender and mile sleep.

Yeah, you ate. Don't hit that note no more, man. Don't do it.

Sleep in heaven.

Yeah.

Thank you for tuning in to another episode of I'm your favorite tv un Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85 Ocho Cinco Johnson. Thank you. We'll see you tomorrow night.

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