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Fifty-four hundred. That's crazy, man. Listen, I've never had YouTube before. I'm really not into technology. I'm really not that advanced. I know how to work Twitter. I know how to work Instagram. I was introduced to YouTube finally, when we started doing this. I had never been on there. And it took for my people. It took for Doug. It took for Sheryl. It took for some other friends of mine that have been in this space for a very long time to get me to get a better understanding on the feat in which we accomplished in such a short amount of time. Four hundred and fifty one.

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We really appreciate you guys for subscribing, and hopefully we can continue to grow. With your help and with your guidance, we'll make sure we continue to bring you the best product that we possibly can. Let's jump into the ball game, Ocho. The Raiders. Blast the charger. Ball game.

63- Call that a ball game.

Okay, a beat down. The Raiders beat the charges 63-21. That was a score, Agami, which means the very uniqueness of the score is never happened before in NFL history. It's the 1,083rd time that a unique score had happened in the NFL history. The Raiders went up 42, nothing at the half, eight different players scored at least a touchdown for the Raiders. Per Amazon broadcast, the Raiders are the first team since 1950, Rams to have eight different players score a touchdown in the game. The question that I have for you, does Brandon Staley have a job when he opens his eyes.

Tomorrow morning? Listen, I think it's a 40-minute flight back to L. A. I'm not sure he gets on that flight. I'm not sure if he makes it on that flight. I have a question for you. Even though you asked me, and my grandma always told me, never ask a question with a question.

But.

How come Brandon Staley's leash, be able to coach for this long and be that bad was so long? Why was his lease in Grace so much longer than others that have coached the Chargers?

You're going back to my former teammate, Anthony Linn. Yeah, please help me understand. Because he definitely wasn't given the leeway and the latitude that Brandon Staley has. I think the thing is that in that situation, I think they try to want to wait. They didn't want to make a change so abruptly. They wanted to give him some time. But given the situation with that talent of a roster, and no one can tell me that the cheese don't have talent on both sides of the football, something is a mess. When you have that level of quarterback, when you have Kenan-Allen, when you have Eccler, when you have the offensive weapons that you have, you have a Bolsa, you have a Kaleo Mac, you have a Sante Samuel Jr, you have some guys. That's a very talented roster. Derwin James. I believe this roster, Derwin James, I believe this team has underachieved. After this pathetic showing, and you know what, Ocho? When you played the game as long as you and I have, I hate to use the term quit, but I didn't see a whole lot of effort going on tonight. I'm not going to say they quit, but I didn't see.

The effort. Right. It was funny.

To me- How many times have you been on team that scored 60 points in a game period?

Forget the NFL. In a game period. I think that the highest scoring game I've been a part of was we played Cleveland Browns. I think maybe the score was 51-45, something like that. But the team didn't quit. It just so happened that the defenses that day weren't good and the offenses were on fire. But the day the output in which we saw from the charges offensively, listen, at the end, what do you call it? Like in trash time? What's the correct word when you score at the end of the game? Garbage time. Garbage time. No trust sound and garbage goddamn time really means nothing, man. It wasn't a good show on from either side of the ball. It's unfortunate that Justin Herbert was out, Kenan Allen was out, but those aren't excuses. You know what? Next man up. And you're playing for... If you're not playing for the charge, you're playing for the name on the back of your goddamn jersey.

You're playing for the name on the back- No, you're playing because... Ocho, you do realize that this game tape is going to all 31 other teams. Excuse me, 30 other teams. So you're auditioning. You always have to understand you're auditioning for another team. See, these are the type of games that get coaches fired and gets players cut. Because that eye in the sky, people are going to look, now you tell me this guy is playing hard. Because it's easy, Ocho, when you're up to play hard. It's easy when it's a nip-tuck ball game to play hard. But let me ask you this, when there's no possibility, when there's no chance of you winning, are you still busting your ass? Are you still giving me that effort? Because I need it because like to see the eye in the sky don't lie. It doesn't know if you're black or white. It doesn't know how much money you make. All it does is take what's recording what it sees. I don't see the effort. I didn't see the effort when it was the 35, 34 ball game a couple of weeks ago. I didn't see the effort when we were up by 14 and we were getting after it on both sides of the ball.

I didn't see that effort. And that's the one thing, because I can't control the score. The one thing each individual can control.

Is his effort. That's right. Listen, goddamn Aden O'Connor, man. 20 for 34, 248, 4TD, Devante, Adams finally back on track to me. Still, despite the season not being accustomed to what we're used to seeing from what I consider the best receiver in the game, 8 for 101 in the TD.

What.

Happened last week when the Raiders played, the Vikings?

They scored zero. They scored zero points.

Yeah, where was this offense? The NFL is so funny to me, and the fact that I played in it and don't understand how you can go from one week having a doughnut to come in the following week and putting up 60-something points. I don't understand.

I don't understand. I think that's one of the things what makes people love the NFL so much because you don't know what you're going.

To get from the week to week.

Because realistically, my team has a chance to win because it's one game, Ocho. You see, in a series, the likelihood of somebody beating somebody four times, or I'm kicking a game winning field goal two out of the four times that we win the series, or I'm getting a game-wining touchdown or a walk-off, a pump-return, or a field goal. But in a situation where it's one game and anything can happen, you know in a situation, the team that's supposed to win, the further and further you get into the game and they haven't separated from the team that's supposed to lose or the underdog, now all of a sudden you start to lose a little confidence and start to tighten up. They start to gain a little confidence and start to open up. Before you get to the fourth quarter, all of a sudden you look like, damn.

They're right down with you.

Uh- Yeah, exactly. Now all of a sudden, I remember in college, we're playing this team called Fairbill. We're playing Fairbills State. My coach said, going into the game, he said, Guys, these guys don't have a lot to play for. He said, But now we're messing around to let this game stay close. They're going to mess around and start turning cartwheels in the fourth quarter. Ocho, I'll be damned. They go up to score a touchdown. They go up, I think they went up. They went up like 17, 14. I'll be damned to do it and get a touchdown to turn a cartwheel, turn a back. Coach, David, the defense come to the sideline. He said, I told you. I told you. Yeah, I just don't know. I mean, you're in Vegas, Ocho. You know what? You said it's a 40-minute flight. He might as well just go ahead and stay there, hang out, get them a cup. I mean, all those casinos get his gambling alone and.

Just- Wait, matter of fact, how many weeks you got left for the season? Okay, we got four weeks left. I'm assuming maybe I'm not sure who the charter's owner is. You think they're just letting right out the rest of the season?

I think, Dean's panel. I bank.

Deans, panel. It don't make no sense in finding nobody with four weeks left. You might let them get out to the school year. What's the point of spinning the kid and you only got four days of school left? It don't make no sense.

Wait, we'll let him go ahead and get a head start on the job, the summer jobs. Let him go ahead because you know you can't talk to the team if you're employed. We'll let him go ahead and get a head start on coaching vacancies. But what's the sense in keeping when you know the team isn't playing or playing hard enough.

For him? They're not responding. They're not responding as they should. Right. Okay, I see what you mean.

Ojo, what was your biggest blowout loss in your career? High school, college, pro? Let me see.

Oh, that's a good one. Matter of fact, let me take my glasses off on that because that'll get my brain working right. It's like when you got to turn the radio down when you back.

Into a spot. Yeah, you got to think. You'retalking about something, you turn your radio down like that day.

The biggest blood loss. God damn. I know it probably had to be during my bangle days, but I just can't remember. It had to be early on in my career. If anybody in the chat, like they got some stats to go back to a blood. Then I know I've had, I just can't recall right now.

I'm sure somebody bring it up. I mean, it might not have been a 50 to nothing or 50 to 10 game, but I'm saying.

That somebody beat you- It might be something like that, man. You got to think those early 2000 Bangles, we was a... Hey, boy, it was rough, boy.

It was rough. Yeah, 2000, 2010s, 1990s, 1980s, 1970s.

That's.

Unnecessary. I'm not bad at it.

I'm not bad at it. That's unnecessary pass. Don't do that. Wait, what about you?

My biggest win, my junior year, we beat Morehouse, '17 to '13. '17 to '13? Yeah, that was the first time my mom had seen me play in college. I went to Coach Davis, rest his soul. My offensive coordinator name was Darryl McNeil, but we called him Rick. He's passed us also. I told Coach Davis, Coach Davis, this is the first time my mom see me play. I said, Coach, I don't need no bulljive. He said, I don't talk to Brick. I said, No. I said, Brick didn't come down to recruit me. He said, If I had anything going on, I could talk to you. So my mom is coming, I need to show out. Five catches a buck, 25 and three toes. I think my biggest loss probably was 1992. I think we lost to the Philadelphia Eagles. I think we lost 37 nothing. I think we might have 40 yards of total offense.

40? Wait, I could tell you the defense right now. Reggie White? Reggie? Troy Vincent.

Troy Vincent. No, I don't think Troy... Troy went to Miami first before he went to Philly. He got drafted by Miami.

What? Yeah. Well, all I remember is Troy Vincent and who was on the other side? It's a tall corner on the other side of Detroit. Bobby Taylor.

Bobby Taylor, yeah. Back then, they had Eric Allen, EA. See, EA had the most return for a touchdown before DeRon Blaine. He had four in '93. It was Clyde Simmons. It was Reggie White. They had Byron Evans. They had Seth Joyner. They had Muddy Waters. That was the year that they dedicated to Jerome Brown, Boogie, rest his soul. He had gotten killed in a car accident earlier that year. They dedicated that season to him. Randall Cunningham. They had Fred.

Barton- no?

I think Rev was there.

What's he that day? I can't remember the receivers.

He might have been... Because he might have been... Nah, he might have been in Miami. Okay. Because he got drafted by the Patriots number one overall in '84. Right. He went to the Patriots. Hold on. I traded... Hold on. I tradedLook at the helmet. Hold on, I got a helmet over there. As a matter of fact, I traded helmets with him at the Pro Bowl, so he might have been there. He might have been. Because I traded helmets with him one year. He might have been, but I know he ended up playing with the...

Okay.

Can.

You see that? Hey, listen, man, that make me feel bad, man. Dude, I don't have no memorabilia, man. I don't have no memorabilia. I got three jerseys. I got a bagel jersey framed up. I got a patron jersey framed up, and I got a dolphin jersey framed up. And, Luke, I don't got nothing. When I tell you nothing, like I have nothing to show my kids, I ain't got... It's like once I stopped playing the game, I just erased football just out my past, man.

No, that was the thing. I saw my brother, and I didn't know this was a tradition because he went to his first pro ball because he led the league and receiving and yards. I think he went to the pro ball and then he came back. I think he had Pat's willings. He got like two helmets. I didn't know that was a tradition. He said, Yeah, you go to the pro ball, what you do? You exchange helmets. I was like, Man, that's going to be cool. I can't wait to make a pro ball. What you try to do? Obviously, me and Ben Coates, I traded with Ken Dielger. I traded with Wesley Walls, normally the tight ends. I got a Carolina, I got a Patriots, I got a Coates helmet. I traded with J. O, Jonathan Ogden, so I got the original Raven. I traded with Derrick Thomas- VT. Rest in peace. -dt. Ithey were Hardinickerson, the old cream sicker, the old tableau, the helmet. I traded with who else? Chad Brown, Seahawks. I got somebody else's helmet too. I forget. I got a bunch. I made it eight times on show, but a couple of times I didn't go because what I would look, and I hate saying this and people like, man, but if I found out somebody behind me and they had never let them.

I pulled up.

Boy, you're a real one, boy. You see, that's the type of shit people don't know about, man. See, that's why I fucking love you. That's some good shit right there, man. You know it's a funny thing? As the players that they don't understand the privilege it was to make the pro-bo back then.

Orlando.

That they do now, oh, that ain't nothing. That ain't nothing. Man, to make.

The- You had to go to Hawaii. You had to go to that walk.

To make the pro-bo during our day, during our time was the real deal. It was an honor to make it to be able to.

Take your family- It absolutely was.

-take your family and experience that Ielani Hotel, to experience to the island. Oh, it thought amazing, man.

Amazing. Yeah. I went, Ojo, when I first started going, they changed it to the Ielani in '93. My first time that I went, it was at the Hilton, Hawaiian Village. The Hilton, Hawaiian was open. So you just pull up.

Yeah, and everybody.

Right there in your face. Everybody right there in your face. I remember to rest his soul, Frank Wojek, went. I made it in '98, and my position coach in Denver was his position coach in Tennessee. He hit me up. He said, Well, he always called me sweetheart to this day, Les Deckle. He would always call me sweetheart. He said, Sweetheart. I'd say, What's up, Steckle? He said, I need a favor from you. I said, Tell me what you need. He told me Frank Whitechick was the first alternate, and it would really mean... Okay. I've had done it for other players also. I don't want to call no name. But if the guys would reach out and he's like, Hey, bro, are you going to the bowl. I mean, Ocho, back then the winners got 10,000, the losers got 5,000. So what the hell 10,000 going to do for me? I had them blow 10,000, flying my coach, his wife, all three of my position, my position coach, brief Me, Bronco, my position coach, Wade Harmett was my position coach, Les Stucco was my position coach. By the time I fly them out and their wife first class, put them up for the entire week, I'm coming out of my pocket.

Because the hotels back then was like 2:50 a night. So 2:50 a night times three plus first class accommodation. It wasn't like I was in love with going over because normally I was going to the Super Bowl. So the Super Bowl might be in New Orleans. Now I got to fly from New Orleans to San Francisco, New Orleans to San... Yeah, and then got to get on the plane or I'm leaving Detroit or something. So it's like, no. And Itried to tie it for me, once my brother, my thing was to try to make it with my brother. That was my big thing, O'chell. So once I made it with him, it was a she... I don't want people to think it wasn't an honor because it was an honor. But for someone else to get that opportunity because I expected to go back the following year. So it was no guarantee if I didn't let him go, he was going to be able to go because I knew I was going to go back. That was one of the things that I pried of myself on the guys like April. Okay, sure, no problem.

Ojo, your biggest loss was against the jets. 37 nothing week 17, 2009.

God damn. We lost that bad.

Same as mine. Just like me, 37-nothing.

Wait, we didn't get a field goal?

Zero.

Wait, 30-.

As a matter of fact, they say you all didn't cross half field.

As a matter of fact, hold on. You said 2009? Yeah. That motherfucking Revis. That's that motherfucking year. Boy, the Jess defense. Man, the Jess defense was crazy that year, man. You hear me? Yeah. As a matter of fact, I think Teo might have been with us that year too, but that goddamn defense man, that year, boy, it was hell. You hear me? They beat. Matter of fact, not only did we lose 37 zip, I think they beat us the following week after that too, if I'm not mistaken.

They beat you all to play off? Yeah, man. They did.

Golly. That's bad. That's bad.

That's something. That's like when you act a fool, you act a fool, somewhere your mama tear your ass up, your grandma tear your ass up, and then you get home. You got to get.

Your ass up again.

You got to get your ass up again? You all got two asses cut for the price of one.

That's.

Crazy. But you know what? Back in the day, Ocho, my grandma would beat us, and she would remember stuff from a month ago or two weeks ago. I was supposed to tear.

Your ass up.

Come on, granny. I messed up.

My grandma had a saying. Listen, I might not get you now, but I'm going to beat your ass for the old land of new. She had to devil up on my ass for me because she'll let something slide. I'm going to let something slide. But then if I act up again, well, I'm going to beat you for the old land and do it, which you just did today. Yeah.

What did they do, Ocho? I don't miss them because guess what? As soon as people start coming over, your uncles, your aunts start coming over. Yeah, you know I had to tear that boy's ass up. Why you got to tear their ass?

Ain't nobody else. Don't let people come over. You was young, man. For me, I was in dance back in the day. I used to do... I'm not trying to be funny. I used to do... I was in theater. I was in dance. I was in arts. I have an appreciation for that. Come on out here and dance for them and show them your routine, man. Come on out here, boy. Hey, man, come on.

If you got to tell them, if you got to tell them, like people going to make you show them, come over.

Yeah, man. This was some good days, man.

But I'm like, granny, you ain't nobody to ask you that, granny. You ain't have to tell you you whipped me earlier this week. Ain't nobody even ask you that. They say, How are you doing, Mary? The first day that's out your mouth you're like, Yeah, I had to tell that boy- Tell all.

Your business.

I'm like, Come on, Greg. Ojo, check this out. Travis, Kelsey calls our critic. I think our defense is playing their asses off all year. Man, we're not rolling like we have been in the past. I know there's a lot of media pointing finger that some of the skilled players that we have, I say, F that man. Man, excuse my language. It's a group effort. When you turn on the film, what's real is we got guys that can play this game. We got guys that can have success, that we can have success with and win with, and win championships with. I know that. I know, excuse me. I've been on Championship caliber teams when you watch the film, punitive is in critical moments, turnovers in critical moments, and it's everybody. In the years past, we found ways to win these games, and I think we're finding ways to get better every single week. Hey, Trabb. Trabb is my guy. That's my nephew. That's my guy. But Trabb, everything that you said in here is what the media is saying. Yeah, it's penalties, it's drops, it's fumbles. It's the same guys because guess what? It's the same players.

It's MBS, it's Skymore, it's Rice, it's Cedarius, Tony. Yes. I'm saying you got guys, and you're saying we're finding ways to get better. How? You got 33 drops.

Not You got 32 drops. 34.

Okay, but we got 34 drops. Okay, where is the improvement? I'm not saying that you guys can't, but I haven't seen it. I see better than I hear. Right. I don't know, and I get it. I'm all for you. Ryan would take up for your teammates. Every time you got to. I believe Andy Reed and Patrick at my home did what they did at the officials and say all that stuff because they didn't want to say something to Cedarius Tony. Because you know, Ocho, sometimes you could be mad. You get mad at somebody and it's really not about them. Somebody else really made you upset, but you pointing your anger at them, and it's misguided. They said what they said, and they come back and retract what they said because, come on, bro. You saw that man lined up a damn foot off the ball. If from the sidelines, you couldn't even see the ball.

We talked about that. There's no need to be the dead horse. But it's unfortunate. I understand where Travis, Kelsey is coming from, especially for somebody like him who is one of the leaders of the team to be able to come out and say, all right, God damn it, enough is enough. As a team, we've made mistakes. Some of those mistakes are causing us addressing those mistakes. We're doing what we can to fix those mistakes, because now it comes nut-cutting time. You got four weeks left in the season. You're going to make the post-season. You don't know who you're going to face, but those names that you just called, the Skymores-.

The Machine RISE.

Mbs, and God damn, the.

Darius they're.

Going to have to show up and do one thing, one word. You know when it comes to NFL, this is what takes team from great or makes players great or make them average, being consistent. We need the play coming to postseason to be consistent. No more mistakes, but they can't even think about that. This is the one thing those receivers are going to have to do. You have to forget everything that's happened, forget about all the drops. You got to play free because you're not going to be yourself unless you're playing free without thinking. The minute you worried about, oh, the media said this, and the media said that, and you're not playing yourself, it ain't going to work. You're going to fuck up. You're going to fuck up. And the worst thing about not having confidence, oh, my God. That is the worst thing to have.

Oh.

Man.

You're going to mess up. The confidence is everything. You can't play at a certain... You can't play, period, without some confidence. But the more confidence you have, the better you are. You look at the players that believe that are the best, they believe they're the best. They walk on the field saying, I'm the baddest mo-fo out there, and they sincerely, wholeheartedly.

Believe it. It affects your play because, matter of fact, you're so confident you feel like you could walk on water. Can you really walk on water? No, but you come goddamn close because you're leading.

That was the greatest thing. When we'd have guys playing other than John, and we come off the side or we'd be in practice and we're coming off the field and they threw the ball somewhere else and Mike would tell him, Do you know who the F that is? Do 84. He's going to the Hall of Fame. Throw him the F involved. Or you on the sideline and your teammates, you all can't stop 84. They said, Hey, Ocho, cookie.

Cookie, Ocho, get it.

I'm like, You heard what they said? I got to get you. You got to wear this suit.

Don't get that word.

So Kyle Schanehan was asked about Brock party and Krista McAfrey MVP campaign. The only reason I wouldn't overly commit on either one of them because I don't want to cancel each other out. But if any non-quartibac is going to get an MVP, I don't know how it's not Krista McAfrey. I mean, he's amazing in what he's done all year. If it's going to be a quarterback, and then I don't have to talk about Krista. I can talk about our quarterback. If his numbers is all you see, I think that solves it. But if you watch the film, then it makes it even stronger, which to me is the most important thing. Purteas third in passing yards, 3,353, second in passing touchdowns, 25, whilst ranking 22nd in pass attempts. So he's putting up these numbers, not throwing nearly as many passes. So in other words, he's more efficient with the passes that he does throw with a high touchdown percentage than the other quarterbacks, and he's number one in QBR. Doug Prescott, who I believe is his chief competitor, ranks fourth. What is he? 48 yards behind him. He's first in passing touchdowns with 28. He ranks sixth in pass attempts, and he's second in QBR.

So it's going to come down. It's going to be, like I said, we're talking about, Ojo, it's horse race, and down the stretch they come. C-mc is first in rush yard, 1,177. He's first in rush yard for game, 90.5. He's second in rush touchdowns, 12.

I mean, listen-.

And that's the-.

Go ahead. I love what the 49ers are doing, but that juggernaut of an offense, man. That juggernaut of an offense, it's almost unfair. I've made the comparison before when you and I talked about it, and I compared it to that Warriors team when they had fucking Steph, Kevin Durant, goddamn KD. I mean, like, God damn, you can't go no wrong. And then when you look at it, well, you know what? You should be putting up those numbers. When you look at supporting cash you have to work with, you got... You got them. You got them. Brandon, Iuki, you got Debo, Samuels, you got the Goat, maybe one of the greatest left tackles of all time, and Trent Williams. You got the quarterback. Obviously, we know what you got in the backfield. You got them, McAfrey. He's been doing a very, very long time. Well, god damn.

You got Kiddle.

Oh, my goodness. I forgot Kiddle. I'm sorry, Kiddle. I'm sorry, baby. I know you're going to see this. I love you to death. But you got Kiddle. I mean, what you expect? You got a superstar team. You have a superstar team. When I think about the MVP, I'm being a little biased. I like what Tyreke Hill has done. I don't have his numbers in front of me, but I just have a.

Better- I think he has 1,542 yards, 12 touchdowns. Off the top of my head. I don't know. I don't have a numbers in front of me either, but I remember seeing it a couple of days ago, and if my memory serves me correct, I think it's 15, 42.

I'm just thinking about what he means to that offense with the Dolphins. I'm just thinking about it. He hurts his ankle, he goes out for two quarters, and the offense, it stalls completely. They're struggling to do the ball and be as efficient as they should be. And it goes to show the importance that he is, how valuable he is. And he's not even a quarterback. He's not even a quarterback. And you were able to see that visibly, pure as day. And I think that's why they lost. Those two quarters hurt them, because to me, with Tyreke being on the field, I think that's 14 to 21 goddamn points.

But you know what, Ocho? What he did by not playing, but maybe a couple of plays that game on Monday night, he took all the two of votes away that we two could possibly get for MVP. He took them away.

Okay, I see what you mean.

Because all the vote is going to say no, and then it's you. It's two. It's a reek. It's reek. Because he looked lost. Without Tyreke on the field, he looked very marginal. He still had mostar. He still had Waddle. He still had Wilson. He still had the weapons, the Devon chain. He still had all the guys on the field that he would normally have, except 10, and he looked marginal. Then you see they start getting going again once he got back on the field. So all the votes, all the voters that could potentially possibly be voting for a two of say, No, it's not you, bro. I'm sorry. It's Tyreke.

I think I like Toa. Toa is good. He's very efficient, very accurate. Very, very, very, very accurate. When it comes within the offense, within the timing of the offense, he is very good at being very accurate and throwing the ball on time. I like him, but I don't know. I just had to make my case for Tyrae because obviously they would never give him MVP to a receiver. It's a quarterback award.

Well, I'm saying the closest receiver came was Jerry in '87. When he played 12 games of the strikes short of the season, he played 12 games. He had 22 receiving touchdowns. And if I'm not mistaken, he lost by one vote or two votes to John Elway. But I think in '82, a kicker won the MVP.

What?

Cox from the Washington... Excuse me, I don't want to say that. They were the name, but now they're the commanders. But if I'm not mistaken, I think the strikes throughout the season, didn't Steve Cox win the award? Mark. Mark Mosley. Straight on kicker. Mark Moseley. But it was in '82, right? '82 was another strike short in the season. That's crazy. Now there have been two defensive players to win the award. Allen Page was the first to win it. L. T. Was the last to win it. The Purple People leaders, Allen Page, Minnesota Bikens, L. T, that great defense in '86.

They completely dominated the games consistently throughout the entirety of a season. So I understand it. But when I look at what Tybric has been able to do, he has completely dominated games throughout the consistency of a season. And he said, Listen, you set a goal. I want to have 2,000 yards by the end of the season. He set a goal, and he's still right there on it. You know how hard it is to say, you know what? I'm going to go do this and then go and execute it and do that, and they know it's coming and you still can't stop it?

Yeah, he's going to have to pick the pace because that 61 yards really hurt him. Remember I told you, Ocho, he needs to have one of these games where he goes 200 and maybe has another 150 behind it. Because as he gets closer, the team's like, I don't want you breaking the record on us. Because remember, in The Last Dance, there was a lot of things leading up to it. But what did they mainly show?

The shot.

On Utah. Yeah. Utah wasn't the only one.

With Russell Gairdner. Yeah.

Yes. He pushed him and he held a pose. So team's like, no, we're not going to be in your documentary, the whole documentary. All you do is to talk about you.

Cooking us. You know what's funny? The funny thing about it? Even if you do come in with a game plan, you know what? We're going to stop Tyreek. They're going to find a mismatch anyway because they do so many different things with him, but schematically, you ain't no way to stop him. They put him in motion, they put him in the slot, they put him in the back field. They do all kinds of things with him where he's consistently find ways to get the man the ball no matter what.

But in that situation, I think it's going to be different, Ojo, because if it's close, let me tell you why. You remember when Jared Rice's day, his last game in '99, when he was with the 49ers?

The Ops the 49ers.

No, he was with the 49ers, and they played the bears, and they had a Jared Rice appreciation day. That was the day that Teo broke the record because they said, we're not going to let Jared Rice celebrate. The next day, Teo got 20 for 200 or something. That's what they're like, Jaylen Waddle might have 300 yards. So you might have two other receivers, but they're going to do everything they possibly can to make sure Tyreke doesn't get that record. Hold up. I remember also, Jamal Lewis, I think Jamal Lewis needed like 100 yards against the Steeler's to break ED's record. The stealers said, Uh-uh. Coach, Ed. I remember talking to Coach Kyle. Coach Kyle said, He was not going to get that. It's like somebody else might have got to hunt 200 yards rushing, but he wasn't.

That's crazy. That's funny.

Three more cowboy players have the flu. Michael Parsons is fully recovered from the flu. Remember, he was suffering last week, but is making his rounds through the locker room. Stephan Gilmore, Brandon Cooke, and Jaylen Tobert are all battling it now, and I think they mispractice today. Have you ever had anything like that come through your locker room?

No, not that I can remember. If it did happen, I don't remember because it's been so long. I'm 12, 12, 13 years removed from the game, so I really don't remember anything like that. But I like this. I like the fact that the flu has come through the locker room. You know why? You know who else is locker room the flu came through? The Bulls. Who? Man, go ahead. I need the Cowboys to remember to watch, go back, go to YouTube and watch Michael Jordan's flu game, and that's how I need you all to play.

But you see what you just did? Now you always get on me. Why every time you got to compare somebody, you got to compare them to the highest of the both of.

The high. Because that's what the Cowboys playing right now. They playing the highest of the high.

Let me ask you a question. Which one Michael Jordan? Which one Michael Jordan?

On the Cowboys?

Yeah.

That's the code of Prescott. What? That, the code of Prescott is Jordan. You want to know who.

Pippen is? Let me tell you who Pippen is.

Let me tell you who Pippen is. Seedy, mother fucking Mary Had a Little Lamb.

Yeah.

Let's go. This is that year, boy. This that year. Is that.

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He says, I was told that I'm responsible for the offensive guy's protection. I'm not really sure how to protect myself, make a play, and protect the offensive player as well. But that's what I was told. I'm not really sure what I do moving forward as far as playing the game. So hopefully I'll figure it out. Bullshit. I love commission. Commission, and I talk to you every chance I see you at an event, you and I have a conversation, I give you a hug. But that's not the defensive player's job to protect them, because whose job is it to protect the defensive player?

Huh? Hello?

You don't ask offensive players to protect the defensive players because they cut defensive players all the time.

Listen, I've said it before and I told you again. Listen, Gadele and I are on a first-name basis. We converse once a month, which is weird being that the fact that I am of no value to the NFL no more, but we still have a relationship, and we stayed in contact all these years later. But the NFL has handicapped defensive players so bad to the point where one of them are going to end up hurting themselves because you can't play football the way we've always played. There's no way to learn and adapt in new ways to tackle. It's impossible at this stage. It's just nothing you can do.

Because they devise physics.

Everybody got bigger, faster, and stronger.

The dimensions of the field have to change. But the.

Dimensions of the field are still the same. There is nothing you can do. Nothing. You have running back, getting fined for lowering their head. You got.

Db's getting fined.

For lowering their head. How else are you supposed to play the game of football? Kareem Jackson, I love you to death. I don't even know what to tell you. Normally when there's a problem, I always have a goddamn solution. I don't even have no solution for you, and I'm an offensive player. But the only thing I could tell you is to play a game. But brother, please protect yourself because if you change the way you play the game, if you change the way you tackle, you're going to end up hurting yourself, man. You're going to end up hurting yourself.

I think the thing is, Ocho, is that physics will always be a part of sports because anything that goes must come down. Because here's the thing, Ocho, we're taught that anytime we see danger, it's just like if somebody put their finger in the hand in front of your face, you blink. That's just instinct. So if I catch a ball and I see a guy coming, I'm going to do this, Ocho, because I'm trying to protect myself. He might have had a target point of here. But when I see him and I try to.

Protect myself- You're coming down to him.

I brought myself into his danger zone. What's he supposed to do? Oh, man, he's supposed to come full speed, see me only in cartoons. Can somebody stop running full speed? But this is real, this is reality. You're asking the human body to do something that it wasn't intended to do. Like you said-.

It's not possible. It's not possible. Especially now that game speed and game tempo. It's impossible to do. At some point, what's going to happen, we're going to end up having to play flag football. That's what it's going to come down to. We're going to have players, they're going to come to an agreement and say, you know what? Listen, it's a game. We're going full speed. I'm going to just tap you on the hip. I'm going to just tap you on the hip because that's what the game is coming to. That's what it's coming to now at this point.

Ocho, but you remember I told you I said, Ocho, they're going to ban that drop tackle. They're going to ban.

That drop tackle. To pull down and bring your.

Weight down? Yeah, when you drop your weight down... I told you, Ocho, they're going to get that up out of there. Because too many guys are getting hurt. Because they could say, well, because see here's the thing, Ocho. If it was like a situation where guys are like turf and grass, but we've seen guys tear the ACLs on grass. We've seen them turn the ACL on turf. We've seen them turn Achilles and things of that nature. But that one thing for certain, nothing causes more injuries on a tackle than that drop tackle.

Yeah. But you know what? Another thing about it, though, this is what can also save those that are being tackled for the off to the players when they do the drop tackle. Most of the times, if you look at the injuries that have happened, the person is always fighting it. The person is always still trying to go. If you let your body go limp, pause, let your body go limp and just roll with it or just go.

With it. Yeah, you can.

Pause that.

I mean, they might have something one of them on canvas in the system that you used to take, so it ain't going to be.

Able to go- I said pause, man. I said pause. But not let your body- You.

Can't shut it down, Jim, like that little toke.

But I was really good at it. When I felt contact and it was going against the way I was going, I just went with it. I just let the body go, and you just flow with it, and it prevents yourself from getting hurt.

But, Ojo, I mean, you might see... I think when I got into the league for seven, eight, nine, 10 years, I might see somebody get tackled like that once every seven, eight games. Now you might see that tackled two, three, four times a.

Game.

Per game. I made a play. Albert Lewis tackled me like that in '93. We're the arrowhead. I know you don't know the arrowhead used to be turf before they changed it. I think I caught like a little Seattle Rob, which is a quick slant. I jump up and catch the ball and he's around my waist and he slide down and right on my ankle, Joe, right on it. Wait, you're talking about some pain. But now the thing is we didn't get no high ankle sprains. It was just an ankle sprain. Now I'm just getting ready to come into myself. I'm all of a sudden, I'm the guy that they're counting on. I ain't practiced. I just shot the ankle up every week, shot it up. I had shot it up so much that I couldn't tape because I used to tape to my skin. I made the mistake of typing to my skin. I hadn't took so many shots to skin. I peel all the skin off my ankle, so now it's.

Just open. It's a funny story. I've told this story all the time. People always ask, man, how did you manage to have a career and have no injuries? The funny thing about it is I had home remedies that I use, and nobody believed me. Nobody ever believed me. You never had no ankle spray? Yeah, I spray my ankle before. But what I used to do for me is I used to get urine. You all stay with me now. I used to get urine and warm it up.

Really, really- Where that urine from? Where it from? I need a quick explanation. Whose urine?

Yours? I get mine, and if it wasn't enough, if it wasn't enough of mine, I would have to get my teammate's urine. Listen to me.

It.

Worked wonders, though. I get enough urine to where it's enough in a bucket that I can warm up. I put my ankle that's swollen or the one that's sprained, warm it up really hot, sitting my foot in the urine, and the heat and the toxins from the urine would absorb all the swelling out. I swear, if I sprain my ankle, even if it's a high... If I spray my on a Wednesday and we play Sunday, by the time I got to Friday, I was able to do that fast walk-through practice on Friday and play the game fully healthy Sunday.

I was there, I was- No, I'm going to have to miss that game. If I got to stick my foot in the bucket of urine.

I'm going to miss that game. Listen, there's areason, listen, you can't make the club in the tub. You can't make the club in the tub. That's one of the reasons why I played a full career with no injuries because I always had little remedies that get me through.

You can't make the club in the tub, and if it's P, it ain't me. It ain't got to... You hold your own tob. No, no. Oh, no. All that stuff. They do it. Oh, no. Ain't no P going on. Ain't no P at no way. Ain't no P going on nowhere. I can't do that, Ocho. Look here, I don't have the... I don't have the squirrel.

Hey, what did you say? If it's P, it's what?

If it's P, it ain't me. I got to let you have that one, Ocho. You're going to keep that remedy. You shouldn't have told nobody that. Now, I've done the red clay. I've done the DMFO. I've done a lot of...

I've done a lot of... Dmfo where you're mouth smell like goddamn shit?

I don't play with that.

They don't play with that DMSO. Well, no.

I'm bad. You don't know how much DMSO I've used. I had an old teammate that's jump-together. I don't know if you probably know Jumpy, but Jumpy Man, I don't know what this joker sprained his ankle, and that joker an ankle about the size of a grapefruit. He had this stuff in a bottle. He said he got it from home because he gulla. I'm talking about, he's geeky. He probably only won two generations that got off the boat in Charleston. Yeah, he's that gets you. He's that Gullagull. But Ojo, me and Burns, we watching, he rubbed his stuff on his ankle and then turned it up and drink it.

What he had in there?

I don't know what it was, but he was able to play on Sunday. Now, now I know I'm country. I'm corn carbon or out-of-country. But he way more country than me.

Way more country.

Than you. Yes, and that's saying something. Yeah, man. Damn, man. Jumping, man. But he was a great dude. I love labor jumping. Also, check this out. You and I both are part of a petition. The Las Vegas, because the Super Bowl is going to be out in Vegas, and we're part of a petition to get the NFL to relax some of the celebration rules. Now we understand not the sexual, the gyration and.

Doing all that stuff. That ain't celebrate.

No, none of the throw slash and the six-shooters and all that stuff. Nothing that mimics violence. But let the guys become more creative. It is Vegas. Vegas is a town with a show with the Snatra and the Sammy Davises and all the greats have performed. We got Usher, we got Adele, we gotAs a matter of fact, Wutang is about to have a residency out there. So some of the greats, Kelly Clark, I think, Kerry Underwood, a lot of people have had residences out there. I think they should look, go sign the petition. You can find the petition at change. Org/celebration. Go sign this, the NFL players need your support. Support the NFL players for having fun, pushing boundaries and embodying the spirit of celebration. Let them... Just for this one time, like I said, we're not going to do no sexual gyration and things like that. We're not going to do anything that mimics violence because we do have kids watching. But hey, guys, come out with your creativity. Nfl, let them say, hey.

Everybody in the chat, sign the petition.

That's what we need. That's what.

We need you to sign. As a matter of fact, in the players, I'm going to have a goddamn orientation for creativity and authenticity so we can come up with some new stuff, some new stuff that hasn't been repeated, and we're going to get this thing going. We're going to get it going.

Yeah, right now the Dolphins are in the League. The Dolphins did the roller coaster- You started to.

Remember the Titans?

Yeah, they did the Remember the Titan. And they did stop you all. That was a good one. They did stop you all with the guy with the man. They threw him and hit up on the elbow. That was a good one. Right now the Dolphins are in the lead. The dog was in the League now I'm just saying.

Matter of fact, you know what? I forgot to mention you just talked about having fun and showmanship. I went to see tonight. I went to watch Shannon Crowder. Shannon Crowder did his first stand-up comedy night at the Miami Improv. So I went to the Miami Improv to see how he would be Shannon Craddle. But he's already funny just in general. So we're on stage in front of a crowd now. That's a whole other ball game. That's a whole another ball game. Man, this man had me up there. I was in tears, just tears laughing. It was first stand-up, and it was just funny to see someone be able to transition from being a football player trying to knock people's heads off to actually being able to sit up there in front of a crowd and engage with delivery about life stories and experiences. But I don't know why I just thought about that.

Well, you got your boy there. You know your boy that your boy been writing some material down there. You know your boy been writing.

Wait, are you good in front of the crowd? I know you can speak in front of the crowd, but jokes is a different.

Ball game. It's a different.

Ball game. I know, listen, I'm a joker too. But in front of that crowd what?

That's shit different.

Because if they don't bite, you got to get them to bite. If they bite right away and you reel them in, you're good. But if that first joke don't hit like it should.

It's going to hit. Because the thing is, I got three of them, real guarantee. Guarantee to life.

What she really meant? It was a rap from now.

You can find the petition at change. Org/celebration. That's change. Org/celebration. We need your help. We want these players to celebrate. We want to have a good old time at the Super Bowl in Vegas. That thing going.

To be- I'm playing.

All fine. Hey, Ojo, you know what we're doing? We're working on having a live show. That's the thing because we're working- Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why you ain't telling me? Yeah, Thursday, we're working on having a live show, having gas the day. In Vegas? In Vegas, yeah.

Oh, man, nigger, I'm finna put my good shit on.

Hey, make sure. Matter of fact, listen, we got to have another giveaway. Admit it, life would be born without me. We got to have another giveaway.

What you want to get away? Listen. How many followers we need to have by Super Bowl?

I'm not sure. That's going to be hard because.

We'll be- Seven-fifty.

Seven-fifty? All right, listen, how about if we're doing a live show in Vegas, how about we fly two people from the chat or some way and have them come out to the show? I'm not saying go to the goddamn game because I ain't paying for them high-air goddamn football team. No, I mean, just having- As a matter of.

Fact, I ain't going to the game, but damn.

I think it would be dope to be able to treat somebody to come out to Vegas, to come to the live show or whatnot.

Well, you know what? You do a great job of giving away our money. I think we need to talk to... We need to talk to... Because we do guys of ball. We got to see what... Because hotel rooms, we got to get hotel rooms, we got to get flights.

They can stay with us.

Who?

Whoever can win. I pick one winner, they could stay with me and the other winner can stay.

With you. No, they can't stay with me. I'm done sleeping. You got to.

Treat the fans right, though, what you mean?

Yeah, like I said, what we're going to do, Ocho, we're going to talk with them over the next- Let.

Them stay with you. Let them have the full.

Experience of- No, they cannot stay with me. No, they're going to have no full experience.

They have to have the full experience of what it's like to live like us.

Because guess what, Ocho? What happens if somebody passed gas in my room? Eightyth floor out the window, they go. So no, that ain't happening. No, you're not going to be using the bathroom in that room. No. No, I'm the only one. I'm the only one going to the door number two in the bathroom in my hotel room. That's it.

Are you going to throw up the eightierth floor?

Hey, check this out. Ocho, when we on the road, we on the road and they have to come to my room to set up. Ocho, when they come to my room and they got to set up, they go to their own room to go to the bathroom. I'm the only one my bathroom is off limits. They said, only Shatter Sharp can go here.

Hey, man, why don't you shut out man? You're going to throw the few. I'm just there. I thought it'd be a good look because there's one thing to be able to watch us on the show, one to be able to chime in and the chat, but to actually win tickets to come to Vegas, then get the experience, stand with us, dinner, breakfast, lunch, chat, talk about life. That's a great experience that- Joe.

First of all, I think it would be dope. First of all, I got to work Wednesday. I got to work Thursday. I got to work Friday. I'm going to be working.

That's the whole point. Giving them the life experience of what you go through day to day, that's the whole point. Like somebody.

Just- That ain't all I do day to day.

What else you got to do? No.

I ain't really. We are in Vegas. Who knows? I might go to the Little White Chapel. I might get married. I ain't going to tell it.

Hey.

You don't have... Man, this man going to talk about... Hey, what a... Man, this man talking about... Man, this man talking about staying by Roomade, please.

I know you had a roommate in years, but.

I'm just saying- I hadn't slept in the same room with somebody since then. Because when I first got to the NFL, we had roommates. So you slept in the room and Clarence K was my roommate. Clarence K was my roommate. Then in '93, Wade came and we got in the... I mean, you could pay to get your own room. I was like, man, I'm too grown. I'm too grown to be in a room with someone else. I ended up paying. Then when Mike came in '95, everybody got a room to themselves. But I hadn't had a room. Oh, no. I definitely.

Don't know. Listen, I don't know. I'm a social butterfly, man. I'm very open to things like that. Matter of fact, you probably don't remember. If anybody in the chat, I know you all, if you're in a chat, you could do your homework. I had a homeless guy by the name of Porkchop, who was a friend of mine. I met him. I forgot what year it was, but he came up to me, walked up to me, man, asked me for them, Can I get a beer? I'm like, A beer? Matter of fact, I'm going to make sure you get a beer. I went in there, I bought him a whole case of beer, and we met on the Monday. I swear for God, I tell you no lie. Me and Porkchop became friends, and we were in separate for about 2-3 years. Every day I hung out with a homeless man, got him cleaned up, showered him up, man. And we went everywhere together. Man, strip club, all type of stuff, and chat. If you just google pork, chop and Ocho or Chad Johnson, you'll see the story.

You were.

At a strip club. Listen, he had 1,000 wands. I say, chop. You got to take the wands and you throw them in the air like this. So I go get my food and bite my burger. I look back, man, it's a picture on the internet. Somebody could find it. Instead of him throwing the money, he got wards of cash, stuff in his pocket because he ain't used to have no money.

He was.

Legit homeless, and he was asking for some beer. From that day on, every day I would go to South Beach, we would eat at Davis Cafe, and I got so comfortable with him. I had brought him to the big house. I had brought him to the big house, had him sleeping in one of the rooms because the kids were now, they were older now. They weren't there. Had this big ass house, all these rooms, and nobody was there. So I was like, Fuck it. Then he fucking upped and went to New Orleans, and I ain't seen him since.

Yeah, I like... The strip joint has got some good food. Magic City.

Hey, listen, tussies.

Let me see them. The chicken tenders at.

Magic City? I don't go to Atlanta office.

And fries? And that fried cafe?

I don't go to Atlanta office. So I don't know anything about the chicken wing. But I know one thing, over.

At Tutsis- Well, next time you go, we're going to... Hey, Magic, I know you watch it. I know Madge. Magic City's name is the name of the magic. I'm going to bring Ocho in there. Set it out for it. Man, I get them, Hey, I get them. Ain't nothing like them chicken tenders and that fried catfish with a side of booty juice.

What? Side of who?

Booty juice. You know that girl be dancing.

They got the dance.

Okay. Bands will make.

Them dance. I thought booty juice was like a drink or something. I thought it was a drink.

The way they be sweating up in death, you be drinking.

I don't know if you've been to Tussies or not, but obviously, upstairs, listen, man. I've been to Tustis. The food at Tustis is phenomenal. I always go to Tustis. I always go to Tussies. The seafood, rice and lobster tail. The seafood, rice and lobster tail with the collimari- I'm allergic to shrimp. Oh, shit. For real?

I was just joking. Now look, when I'm eating ain't nobody dancing over the food. I was just joking because man, they're going to be like, man, man sharp. Man, got the dog over the food. He got girls dropping, got booty over the food and everything. I know how you all are.

Yeah, man. But I.

Do be eating in there. I do be eating it. I do be eating it.

I heard about the wings. What's the player that got in trouble for getting the wings?

Lemon, pepper, lue.

Yeah, Lemon, Peppaloo. Yeah, that's when I heard about the wings. I got to check that out. In Magic City?

Magic City.

Yeah, Atlanta, right down the street. I've been in Atlanta maybe four times, and two of those were the play the goddamn Falcons.

Yeah, but you need some time. But you know, Magic City, they got Blue Flames, they got Stroke-ers. They used to have BodyTap. They used to have... What's the other one? What's the other one out there on Buford Highway? There's another one on Buford Highway. I can't think of it. I should have. But boy, back in my younger days, back in my younger days- I.

Mean, it sound like you know what you talk about. You sound like you were just there last week. The way you- No, I.

Wasn't there last week. You got the Cheetahs, you got Pink Pony, the gold club used to be here.

Yeah, all of them. Shooters Alley. Yeah.

You used to make you rounds.

I'm a country boy, I don't know nothing about that. So when I go without like- You don't know.

Nothing about it, but you know all the names.

I know all the names. But then in Denver, you had Mile High, you had the Diamond Cabaret, you had the Pink Pony. I mean, you had a... What was the name? Mile High. What's the one that Jaw went to? I think Jawwhit, too. I think Jawwhit, the Diamond Cabaret or the one on Colorado. I don't know. Right there in Cherry Creek. My name. Shotgun Willies.

That's real? That's a real name?

That's real. Yeah.

Shotgun Willies. Well, you all live.

The wild. But my high was my favorite. My high used to be my favorite. I go off in the cut.

They were thick. Wait, hold on. How you go off in the cut and thick? You got to-.

No, I'm saying the women.

In Denver?

That's the Midwest.

Wait, and-.

You know they call itred, they're corn-free, corn-free. In Denver?

Now, what are you.

Talking about? I'm talking about 5, 10, 1, 75. Remember, 180, you ain't a lady. Hold on.

All right, listen, I'm not trying to be funny. I don't frequent Denver much. Really, I came to them the last time I've been to Denver, except to play champ, Bailey years ago. But when I think of what you just said in reference to our healthy women, I think of Houston. I think of Atlanta. I think of Miami. I think.

Of Texas. But it's a different flavor. Now, you go to Atlanta. When you go to Atlanta, okay, you go to Magic City, you go to Stroke's, you go to the Blue Flame, Bodytab closed down. Used to go to Follies, Shooter Alley. Now you go to The Cheetah, you go to Pink Pony, they're modeling.

They're doing lingerie.

Okay. No, if I would get five for the top five from the bottom, I need it all dropping. I need you to get low. You ought to get low. Come on, we're not. We ain't doing nothing. This ain't no Victoria's secret. We ain't doing no modeling, no lingerie. I need.

You to come up out of it. I don't frequent the strip club either. I got to take me... Don't take me a trip to Atlanta, man. I got to take you to.

Trip to Atlanta. Man, Ojo, I'll be in that thing. I can't look. I can't look. I can't... What are.

You.

Doing? What are you doing?

I.

Can't look, Ojo. I can't look no both.

Hey, Reyl. I know you in the chat, Reyl. We got to go to Atlanta, baby. I'm trying to see what I'm talking about. Matter of fact- Man, Ojo- Hold on.

I.

Need to write the name of these places down, so I'm hit all of them in the same night.

Magic City is.

First, Stroke's, Blue Flames.

Hold on, baby.

Hold on. I got Majorna right here now. I got Majorna. Yeah. What's the first one?

Magic City number one. Anywhere in the world. If you go anywhere, Magic City number one. Okay, Magic City. All right, Magic City.

Magic City, Stroke's. Stroke's, okay.

Blue Flames.

They got a strip club called Blue Flames. Yeah. That should sound good. Blue Flames. Okay, bet.

Yeah, I think that's-.

What we got?

Now, if you want the modeling, they're modeling.

You go to China.

I'm from Miami. Well, I don't need to tell you about that.

Don't send me to the land of the half step, man.

No. I'm going.

To Atlanta to Backslide.

Okay, Magic City, Strokas.

And Blue Flames. I got that. Okay, just them three.

That's enough. Oh, no, there's another Oasis.

Who?

I think Oasis. Yeah, Oasis. That's a movie. Over there, yeah, off of Chesa Bridge.

Chesapeake.

I think they look that way. Look at Oasis.

But.

You know back in the day, I'd be out there on Buford Highway on Shooters Islands and Follies. You're right. That. See what I do? See, I wasn't supposed to be at the places. So what I do, I go out there and I get me some gas. I put a little bit on my hands, knock that on smoke, knock that old perfume. Right. I go in the face like a little gank. Okay. What happened? I said, yeah, you know, my boy ran out of gas. I put that little bit. That's a.

Good one, right? I like that. That's a good maneuver. I'm out of you. I don't be outside the house, so there are certain things I really can't get away with. And if my routine changes, then her antenna is going to be up. That's why. If I'm a good.

If I'm a do it, I'm a good widow. We're going to go into magic. We're going to hear Stroke-ers. We're going to hear Blue Flame. We're going to make it- She worse than me.

We could go somewhere. Man, she attacked me and be like, boy, look at all that ass over there. Well.

That's.

What I'm looking for. But she worse than me. I know when I guarantee you, when I say her these names, I guarantee before we do the next show. When the next show? Sunday, right?

Sunday. No, Saturday. They got three games Saturday.

Okay, we're going to make it that soon. Before we do the show Monday, I guarantee me and her had been to them goddamn three places. Watch. We're going to squeeze in.

Before Christmas. I don't know how you're going to go because think about it, Ocho. We got Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.

Oh, three days in a row? You know what? I might be doing one of these shows from goddamn from Oasis. I might do the show from Magic City.

Ocho, ain't it something about a woman with a nice body and a sundress? Yeah. That thing bouncing like a basketball, couldn't have and that thing just jumping when they walked.

Wait, basketball, couldn't have? I never heard that one.

They got two basketballs. Like a basketball, couldn't have and this stuff back then when they walked up.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Girl, if you cook, I'll marry you. Right on the spot. Right on the spot, Oto. Tell me you can cook. Tell me you cook. My neck bone.

Pig feet.

Listen- Tell me you.

Cook something. Women be so fat in the strip club, man, you just walk up to them sometimes, and you just whispering here. Why are you not here doing this? Why are you not here doing this? I mean, based from the naked eye. From the naked eye. I can take care of you right now. You look perfect.

Where did you go wrong? I ain't got a blemish.

On them. Where did you go wrong, honey?

I don't know what happened, but that ain't my... Look here, I ain't going to be dark to field. I'm not going to be a yala. I ain't here to get you counseling. Yeah, come on with it now. Let's go to Waffle. Let's go get something to eat. Let's go get something to eat. I know you're hungry.

Hey, listen, mama, let you know the first right round of corner now. You ain't got to be in it.

Yeah, what you need? I know you got student loans. Girl, let me put you in mind at ease for a couple of months. Just a couple. I mean, you ain't got to worry about nothing.

You ain't got to worry in them. You want to be a CNA? I can see you. I can see you. I can pay for your classes there. Yeah.

I told you, she told me something. I want to go to real estate. Man, she was so fired as the hell. Take your mamawith you. Both of you all still houses. Not one or two. Take your mama with you. Both of you all, both of you all see a house. That's not what I thought, Joe.. Thank you, Bible, went to. Man, let's get back on track, for you that got me going. Man, you got people mad. You see how you be... Steve, Kirsten, and Draymond Green suspension make sense. It's more than basketball. It's about helping Draymond. It's an opportunity for Draymond to step away and make a change. The answer is not a quick pick a number of games. The answer is to help Draymond. The one who troked Rudy, the one who took the wild flail, the one that punched Jordan last year, that's the guy who needs to change.

Oh, shit.

Steve, you're his head coach. You remember what I said, Ocho? What's one of my favorite sayings? You never accept anything in a win, you wouldn't in a loss. When he was winning these championships, he never spoke out this strongly about Draymond. When he was hot-kicking, when he thought he was a rocket, and he kicking Steven Adams in the grow it, you ain't a word. When he won the championship, when he fell his leg up, he didn't say a word. I told you, you never accept anything in a win, you wouldn't have a loss. Now they don't start to lose it. Now all of a sudden it's an issue. Now when he punched, when he pushed Jordan Poole last year, you're sitting a man away for one game. One game? What, you're suspending my game? Now all of a sudden, it's justified. It makes sense. It's not about a certain number of games. It's about Draymond... When was this? You didn't want to get Draymond no help when it first started?

You know what? When I want to think about it, obviously, I don't conduct-.

No, Joe, before you go, I'm not saying that it's the Warriors or Steve Kerr. Draymond did this. Draymond bears culpability. Draymond is responsible for Draymond's behavior. But I don't want people that's going to be like, all of a sudden, they're so concerned about Draymond when they allowed this behavior to grow. You let Frankenstein, you let him create this.

This is what you get now. The funny thing about it is, Draymond has always been Draymond. Do I condone some of the actions that he's done? Absolutely not. Obviously, Draymond, a friend of mine. But I don't condone those actions. But when they were winning, everything was okay. Now that they're losing, everything is magnified because some of the things that he's doing is not helping the team win in any way. So obviously, it's something that they can harp on, which takes the attention away from the fact that the team is also losing and you still doing some of the things that are being a distraction and not helping us win. Obviously, Draymond now being suspended indefinitely until he gets the help that the league sees fit, and that obviously the warrior see fit as well before he makes his return. And when he comes back, I just want to make sure he's not a shell of himself. I want to make sure he's still the same Draymond, the same enforcer type, defensive mentality, take no shit type Draymond that he is. I hope getting the help that the people says he needs, obviously, it doesn't take away from who he is as a basketball player and a defender?

I just think the thing is, Ocho, is that I would have thought he said... I'm not saying anything. I'm not making this up. He said that he cost his team a championship by getting suspended for game five in the 2016 NBA final. With the incident with LeBron, right? That's what he said. Yes, against LeBron. So if that was the case and you said you're never going to cost your team again, why would you put yourself back in that situation? Now I get it. This is not the NBA finals, but your team, they need you now. You see, they benched Andrew Wiggins. The fourth quarter, Clay didn't... It's seeming like it's going to hell in a hand basket because this isn't the same team. Guys aren't playing up. Steff is Steph. But this right here, I just say, and even Gil was on last night, and a lot of people have said, they don't believe Draymond could be Draymond without these antics.

Right. That's why I just said what I said, because I think the antics and the enforcer-type mentality, similar to hockey, our hockey players, they have enforcers on the teams. I think if you take some of that away from him, I think it takes away who Draymond really is. He can still be Draymond Green without the chokeholds and the accidental slaps and the knee into the groin, stuff like that. But I think if he can still remain his true, authentic self and what makes him special because he's a special player no matter what people may think about him, long as.

He can- He playing in the wrong era. He needs to be in the '80s and.

The '90s. Yeah, the '80s and the '90s era.

He needs to be playing with Oakley and Mason and Xavier McDaniel, Rick Mahorn, Bill Lambeer, Marcus Johnson. Kerman, he need to be with those guys because in this era, David Stern put a stop at that. He's like, Okay, you all want to fight? I'm going to take all your money. And Adam Silver is just following it up. But Adam is a little bit more lenient and a little bit more tolerant and a little bit more understanding than David Stern. That's why so many of the players, they really like Adam, because Adam is trying to make sure his best players stay out on the floor. But I don't think... When you back him into a corner, he doesn't have any choice. Right. Even though this was a Joe D, Joe DuMarz, this was his decision. He's the EVP of personal conduct, anything of that nature. I don't really know where Jody was supposed to go with this. He had no choice. Yeah, he did. I mean, when you were trying to pull away, but bro, you cold-talked to me.

Yeah, that's.

Just crazy. Did Narkidth feel it? Of course.

I have a question. Obviously, you would know better than I would. How long do you think he would have to be out? Or how long is sufficient? Or what do they consider efficient enough, even though it's indefinitely, how much time is needed? Especially what if the team continues to struggle and they need to be back? I'm just saying.

All those things you should have thought about before you did the act. I think it's going to probably be a man of 10 games. I'm saying a minimum of 10. Okay.

Wait, he's indefinitely suspended with pay, though, right?

Oh, no.

They then took.

The money too? No, only government officials. Only the police can get suspended with pay. Hell, no. You know damn well if you're a professional athlete, you get suspended. You ain't getting no pay. Wait, didn't he.

Hit the pockets too? Yeah, man. That'd get you right together quick, boy.

They ain't going to get him right because he doesn't been fired.

So much. That'd get you right together quick. But you know, NBA dudes got that fuck you money. Nba dudes got that fuck you money.

I want to keep mine. But I think it's different because as a football player, who are you going to fight on the field? Ocho. I got on a helmet. I got on a pass. I ain't going to do nothing but break my hand. I ain't going to do nothing to break my hand, break a finger or something. I ain't hurt him not one time. I ain't hurt him one time. Now, obviously, it's different basketball players because they're right there. But Gilles is like, Man, we're not really trying to fight. We ain't trying to talk like that.

We're.

Not. And I get it. I get it. Everybody's selling wolf tickets. I'm bad. Hold me. Hey, hold me. Hold me not. Don't let me go. Don't let me just... I get in the arm distance of it. Something bad might happen. But this was the action that the NBA had to take given his history. And he's like, well, and Draymond is saying, well, man, you keep holding my past against me. I was suspended for those games. Draymond, that's how it works. You're what they call a repeat offender. You keep repeating the act, the sentence should get harsher. A repeat offender that gives a DUI, the sentence gets harsher. The first time, okay, they might give you fine and probation. The next time they're probably going to take your license. The next time after that, you're probably going to go do some time in jail. Damn. Yeah, that's how it goes.

That's how it should go. Let's get on to drink.

Draymond has not been suspended four times in 2023 alone. In March first, he got a 16th technical file, and April first for stepping on some bonus. November fifth, putting Rudy Gobert in the headlock in December, indefinitely for striking Rudy Gobert. Well, see, the thing was, but see here's the thing. Rudy Gobert should be suspended too, because I don't had to whip them. You all let the man jump me. You all let the man jump me. Ain't nobody come to my defense. You see how quick Draymond ran to Clays defense? Fire to everybody. Yeah, man. What bull driver that is, Joe.

Nobody want no smoke with Draymond, man. You ain't noticed that yet? Think about it. Have you seen anybody challenge him yet? I haven't seen anybody challenge him yet. No.

But my thing is, okay, Draymond is a separate issue.

There must be something about Draymond that we don't know, because he has always been the enforcer, and nobody seemed to want that smoke. I'm just saying. I'm not condoning it. I'm not condoning the actions.

I'm.

Just saying it look like he wanted to smoke, whatever. If you had to walk through a motherfucking dark alley and there was somebody you were going to pick an NBA, you're going to want Draymond.

Oh, yeah, right now. But that's how it was with Oak. You remember with Oak, we're playing... Now I know Oak. Oak would play? Now I know Oak was a person I've been in mind for 25 years. That's how Oak were. They still in there. They don't want to Oak. But they had Oat. They had X-Man. I think X-Man might have been there for one year, but I think he left when Oat got there. They had Mason.

Derek Mason? Not Derek Mason.

Anthony Yeah, Charles Smith. But you know they had, the Miami had in the Miami, had Zold, they had them.

Tough guys. Lazzo always fighting somebody, man, back then, man. That was the Nicks, wasn't it?

Yeah, the Nicks had X and Ewing and Charles Smith, Anthony Mason. But see what they say now, that wasn't basketball. Just because someone is physical doesn't mean.

Their skill. Right.

See people are like, Oh, they were tough. That's not basketball.

I mean-.

That's football. Oh, the Bad Boy Pista. The Bad Boy Pista started this book. Is they call? Is this the book? Is this the book? Is this the book?.

Wait, John Sally was on that team? Yeah. I didn't know that.

Sally was there.

Absolutely, yes. Okay. Okay. Sally was there. Listen, boy to boy there, man. Fighting everything. No basketball.

Everything. Everything, man. Guess what? Back then, they didn't really call no flagrants. They're just like, okay, get up and play. Go shoot the free throw. That was a foul, hard foul. When Kevin McHale snatched Kevin Rambo's ass out there, they ain't throwing nobody out. If I'm not mistaken, when Karl Malone opened up that gash on Isiah, hit him upside the head with an elbow, 44 stitches. Damn. Open them up like a fresh melon. I've all enough to remember where they were throwing back in the day. Now, it wasn't.

A bull job. I didn't see the footage. I didn't see the footage. I know the boys ain't play. That's why it's- Yeah, or no. When I think about some of the stuff that Dream on is doing, it's almost damn near child's play to some of the clips from back then when them boys was playing. Oh, yeah. Child's play.

Yeah. But back then you couldn't wolf like that because they're going to step to you. They're going to see if you really bought that. They're going to see if you really bought that.

You better be standing on all ten toes if you acting a fool back then.

Business. All business. Anthony Erwin says he wears fake jewelry because he doesn't want to spend the money. People are going to think it's real anyways because it's me.

He.

Taking the page out of the Ojo book.

I've been preaching the same thing for 25 years. I've been preaching the same thing for 25 years. We as a people, we find value in the things that we can purchase and attain outside of seeing us as the true value. See, when they make a watch, or they make a car, or they make whatever it might be materialistic, right? That individual places the value or the price tag on what it is that they want to. Because the price tag is high or it might be high in, we buy it and wear it. That is how we view our value in our image based on how much we spend on shit. That shit means nothing. Who are you when you take off that watch? Who are you when you take off that motherfucking chain? Who are you if you take off them fancy, motherfucking shades and clothes and shoes.

Well, my chain real and I ain't taking it off. I'm looking to add to it. My watch real, my bracelet real. So you all can listen to Old Choice if you all want to, and the best of luck to you all. But I'm not going to work hard. I'm not.

Buying anything. Anthony Edwards, I love you, baby. I love you. You hear me? I know you're going to see this too, boy. Listen, it's okay to have real pizzas. Even I got real pizzas, I have real pizzas. I'm saying getting lost in the sauce. What percentage of us go broke when we're done playing. Two years. Just two years after we're done. What percentage? Just stay with me, baby. Stay with me, man.

But it's 87. But a lot of that has to be... Ocho, but here's the thing. You getting a divorce. Because here's the thing. The worst thing about a divorce, they take half the money and all the hooh-hah. That's not a good trade-off. You know what.

I'm saying, Ocho?

You got to leave. You see what I'm doing?

You heard what you just said, and you understand why I'm playing chess over here? That's why I want... That's why I ain't signing the papers. You see what I'm talking about? Yeah.

Did you put that out there, Ash? What's that?

What's that? What's talking about?

As say we might have a giveaway to nominatesomeone to help with chat moderations to help Ash because you all keep her busy. Last night, Ocho, we had this one guy before we... Hold on, where is that? Did you take that out? Oh, Brandon is back. We had this guy named Brandon, and we've been blocking and he's been begging, asking people for money. We asked Brandon to get his begging ass off the chat last night. Little Tank. There's somebody named... Not the Little Tank, but everybody started that. When Little Tank won the first time, everybody came with Little Tank, and he back spamming again. He even though I've been blocked. So Ash has accepted a model, Mod application. So to help us, DM, Nightcap on IG.

Wait, you all blocked Little Tank and Brandon?

Yeah, blocked the hell out of them. They thought I was Jonathan Ogden or trent Williams the way we blocked the ass. Ojo, let me ask you then. You could have one thing free for life. Which are you choosing? -hell. Flights, food, concert tickets, gas, hotel room, clothing, shoes?

Probably flights.

You got your damn mind. Give me food.

What?

If I could get something free for the rest of my life, flights, food, concert tickets, gas, hotel rooms, clothes.

I see. Okay, well, you got to understand, I'm coming from a place of already ownership as far as businesses go. I own three McDonalds, Frenchots. So obviously I don't need food because I can eat for free there. So the first thing, I'm flying all the time when it comes to work, kids, boom.

You all on Spirit. You're playing 995 to fly. So hell, why you want to pay? Why you want that for the rest of your life? You've been $27 and you can go from goddamn heaven to hell for $27.

If I can go to heaven to hell for $27, think what would happen if I could fly for free and save that $27 and it can go elsewhere. Like on the manicure, pedicure. Say before what? Manicure, pedicure. Plan B, right?

You're trying to buy you- You're trying.

To buy you- You.

Never know. Playing B? What you buying Plan B for?

For real. What? She needs Plan B for? Because she'd be melting me when she want to.

Oh, okay.

I ain't got no say so.

Man, go on to Free Willy.

Shit. She thinks she's-.

I got to populate. Go ahead and get another one, and another. Another who?

Who? Shit, me. Not the day.

Well, I tell you what, this is what I do for you, Joe. You always want to do something. Okay, you have a baby in 24. I have a baby in 24.

What?

Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. Let's go ahead and do the thing. Let's do.

The thing. Let's rewind back a little bit. Let's rewind back a little bit. How are you going to have a baby and I'm still trying to find your woman?

Okay, what's that you finally?

I've been trying to find the past two and a half months we've been on this goddamn show, and you just turned everybody down. Well, maybe you got somebody you don't want to tell me, and maybe I should be taking the goddamn hint. Like, hey, I really.

Got somebody. You have one. I have one. All right.

All right, say less. All right, bet. All right, bet. I got you. You let me know when you start, and I'm a star. It ain't matter of fact. You know what?

I've been platinum for years. Let us know what you think. Ladies and gentlemen, if you had a choice, you could have one thing free for life. What are you choosing? Flight, food, concert tickets, gas, hotel room, shoes, and clothes. Ojo, check this out. There's a story that's resurfaced of a woman who donated her kidney to her boyfriend, who then cheated and dumped her. He cheated on her just seven months later.

God damn. Wait a minute. Bring it to me again. She donated her kidney to him.

Her kidney? He was on dialysis, which I heard is very painful. You have to get your blood, the impurities out of your blood. Some people have to do it every day. Some people do it, I think, every day, maybe every other day, every couple of days. But anyway, it's very painful unless you get a transplant. Well, he needed a transplant. She was a match. She gave him her kidney. He ended up cheating on her and dumping her. In that situation, you.

Got to ride it out. We go in the motherfucking car. You finna give me my kidney back. We go in the court. You're finna give me my kidney back. I know about to do truth story, and I mean, no disrespect and not trying to make fun of nobody. But dude was dating a girl. She got in a car accident. She got in a car accident, and she became paralyzed from the waist down. Paralyzed from the waist down. Paralyzed. Yeah, from the waist down. Right. Man, for some reason, she still had her senses, though. Man, he bought a wheelchair, helped to learn how to walk the best that he could get her back to walking. But still in a wheelchair, she walked out of his life. You mean.

Rolled out of his life?

Okay, my bad. Rolled out his life and cheated left him for somebody else. Huh? Yeah.

How did you not see that coming? They had to pick up and take him.

Man. Where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going? Where are you going? I'm not doing that.

Ocho, I'm going to be serious, Ocho. If I'm with someone and they give me a kidney, I'm like Emperor Penguin. I'm like bald eagle. We together forever. Right. If I'm with my partner and she has an accident and she's paralyzed. She's my responsibility. I got to. I got to.

That's crazy.

I couldn't even be good, conscious, and.

Live with myself. That ain't love, though, man. That's that puppy love, man. That's that puppy love. That's how you're able to get up and leave and do some of the things that are happening. When you look at the age of some of the people or situations that are in situations like this, that ain't love. It's all about convenience and opportunity at that point. When you're that young, it's about convenience and opportunity and what situation best fits me at that time. If a better situation comes along, guess where I'm going? I'm out.

When.

We get to the point we have an understanding, there will always be somebody better than the person that I'm with. Always.

Yeah, for sure.

Always. For sure. It's going to be somebody finer. It's going to be somebody with more money. It's going to be somebody taller. It's going to be somebody richer. It's going to be somebody with more card, whatever it may be.

Hold on. Tell me what you're talking about. Hold on. What you're saying? So you need to tell me right now if I meet somebody and then there might be somebody out there that's finer, that can cook, that looks better, got more money.

All four.

Of them things together.

I.

Got to go then.

I didn't play it. I'm just playing. No, I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Do I like a woman that could cook? I mean, my last relationship, that mo'foot was a.

Shit man.

You name it, you cook it. We could go to a restaurant. She's going to come home the next day.

And cook it. The same thing, right.

Ox, tail, neck, bone, Mac & cheese, anything. She could cook it.

It's weird. I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm not one that requires someone to cook.

I don't even like.

Real in the kitchen. I'm like, man, come on, man. I always say, listen, if I want to and people are talking about, Why are you always eating out? Why are you and her always going to eat out? I say, well, motherfucker, if I wanted a motherfucking date, if I wanted a chef, I would have dated one.

I like them in the kitchen wearing something sexy. I can't be in the I don't.

Care for it because don't run up.

My money. Turn that stone bar right quick. I got.

Something for you. Don't run up my light bill. Don't run up my electricity bill. Fuck all that, man. We can go out to eat.

I mean, you ain't nothing like coming in the kitchen. You come up from the bottom, you run like... Yeah.

What's your name?

You know what I mean? Hey, what's that? Yeah. Yeah, you got to make you. Ain't nobody coming. Ain't nobody coming.

Ain't nobody coming. I got to try that. I got to try that.

I hate when the kids would come over. Your kids go.

Your kids go. It's hard. We got too many kids. Yeah, wetry to get. It's rough around these parts.

I'm in my room. I keep the door closed.

Yeah, I got you.

Keep the door closed because they come in there, see something they ain't supposed to see.

I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I've been there before.

I've been there before. Yeah. Catch the old man trampoline. Hey, boy- Hey, let me ask you then.

That's the worst feeling.

Go ahead.

What are you going to say, O'Tro? I would just get ready to say I know it's inappropriate. We a fan.

Your kids ever.

Called you a fan? Oh, yeah. By accident. They called you? You think you locked the door? Did you lock the door? Yeah. Like you turn and you hit a squeak at the door and you stopping your pause, and they just got that look. What was that? That was that goddamn door.

I got called to. I got called to, Ojo.

I hate that. That's a bad feeling. That bad feeling. You feel really bad, man.

But he can't be the dad of the day. He's like, Dad, dad. I keep trying to get more. I ain't done slow about your own bad now, but it won't. It don't slow about your own man, nobody walk. Ain't nothing slow about your own man, nobody walk. You're not slow about your own man, nobody walk. You got to slow down a little bit. I ain't fast like I was, but hey. I had to snuck with them diamonds in me two old toe. You know I put them due. That was Ocho. Because I've been on them diamonds when they first came out. Yeah, O-Joh. I'm talking about I was.

Like- I got to try that. I got to try that.

All right, Ocho. Man, the first time I talked about my 20s the first time, Ocho.

You were taking them thing way back then. You don't need.

It back then. They definitely I would, Ocho. You know what I'm saying? I want to be right. Right. Right. Because it's the first time, Ocho. First time, you got to leave that impression.

Yeah.

I popped that thing.

Yeah.

So, Ocho, I get up to go to the bathroom. I come back, he's looking up under the bed. She's looking all in the closet. She's walking in the hall. I said, Girl, what are you doing? She said, Who in the hell helped you? Because ain't no way. You did that by yourself. I said, Get out of my bed. That would be a lot of work. I said, What are you doing? She's all in the bed, in the closet, in the hallway. She's saying, Hey, somebody helped you. Ain't no way nobody know one person did what you just did.

Hey, man, you got to tell me. Send me a prescription. I got to get me a prescription for all these things.

Get that liquid.

They made.

That liquid. Let's throw that thing, hit you quick.

On the.

Tongue or underneath? Right up underneath the tongue. What I'm going to tell you is going to take about 30 to 40 minutes. That liquid hit that thing. Right away.

Get right into transmission.

Harder than the times of 29. What? Yeah. You all look at that. That's the Great Depression. That's what happened the year the Great Depression happened in 29. That's a hard the thing is. You're right. All right. Right, Ocho.

I'm ready. I'm going to try that. I'm going to try that.

Ocho, if you and your friends have planned a trip and is 13 hours away and they want to drive- Whoa.

Right there.

They want to-.

Who's driving 13 hours. Let's start there.

Are you wrong for wanting to fly to meet them there, or should you take that trip with them?

I ain't taking shit no motherfucking 13 hours, especially no goddamn drive. I don't know you all should have been saving your goddamn money up so we can cut the travel time in half because hell, no, 13 hours? I ain't driving shit. Listen, it ain't happening. I'm getting on that flight.

Yeah, they already know me. Now, my brother, my brother drives 10 hours, 14 hours.

He likes road trips. Some peoplehe love- Some people love the scenic route. I can't do it.

I can't do it. I fly from L. A. To San Diego.

That's a 10-minute flight.

I don't care. By the time they tell you the fast in your seatbelt, by the time they give you the instruction, you're by the lane. Yeah. Oh, man. Two hours. Now, when I was younger, I could probably do probably about four, five hours because I would drive to Daytona, but I can't. No, hell, no. So you're like, okay, no, either I'm going to fly and meet you all there, but are we not going? Because I'm not riding the 13 hours.

That's long.

That's very long. Now maybe if... You know what? If it's the boys, okay, let's just say it's me, Bucky, Burns, Fooots, House.

Crock.

If it's like five, a plate, if it's about six of us, seven of us, and we're in a big old one of those touring buses-.

Like a Madden bus. Like Madden bus.

Yeah, something like that.

That changed the narrative a little bit.

But if it's just like two of them, hell, no. Hell to the no. Ojo, did you see this? In Meridian, Idaho, people waited up to eight hours, including camping overnight for the first in and out opening in Meridian, Idaho.

I didn't see that, but that's expected. In and out is huge. It's a huge chain, especially in L. A. I've had in and out before. I've had in and out before. It is very good. It is very good, and it pains me to even say that and even admit that knowing that my allegiance and my love for McDonald's, but in and out is very good. So I can understand people being camped out.

I ain't waiting that out. I ain't waiting no tour. The only thing I'm waiting eight hours for is to get in the heaven.

That's a good one.

That's the only thing I'm.

Waiting for. You know what? It ain't going to take that long because there ain't no point of getting heaven if they go make you wait out eight hours.

I'm just going to see. He going to have to tell me I ain't coming in because I damn sure ain't going to leave if it's cloudy. He going to tell me-.

It's one thing about if you're going to heaven, you ain't got the way to get in there.

We.

Don't.

If I got to wait, that means I ain't.

Going to get in.

Well, he might change his mind. You know, we changing. We might change.

His mind. He's going to have some questions now when you get to that gate. Like- What? Yeah, that what? Like that joke about that lady in that wheelchair, talk about somebody had to kill you.

No, I didn't beat it like that, Lord. I didn't beat it like that.

Oh, shit. Oh, that was funny.

Hey, that was funny. Fane questions. Ronald Williams says, Oh, my wife really loves the frames you wear. Do you have a frame line? If not, you should start one. In the meantime, would you mind sharing where you buy them? Ronald? These frames and lenses I have on?

I saw the five. What that five mean?

With three Z-rolls.

Okay. I like that. That's tortoise. That's tortoise. That's the tortoise finish on that one? Oh, look at that. I'm going to.

Hold you.

I'm going to hold you.

I'm going to.

Hold you. Yeah, I see you. I see you with a tortoise finish on.

The thing. That's exactly what it's called. It's called tortoise. Bryan, a love lady asked, why can't a high school player go straight to the league in football? If anyone could have done it, Adrian Peterson could have done it.

He would have got his dad broken up. He wasn't even into his body yet. Well, you need that lifting and maturity into.

The.

Body to develop first. Man, you can't. This ain't the NBA. Man, they're a.

Grown man. Yeah, NBA is more of a skill. The NFL is more of a wheel. Now you need to be skilled, but you need the wheel. That's grown men, man. That's grown men. They're grown men. The NFL has a rule that you got to be at least 20 years of age or you got to be the graduating class, whatever the case may be. Some people have fought it. I think Maurice Claret tried to fight it. He didn't win. But no, I don't know. I hate to say it couldn't happen, but I'm going to have to see it to believe it, though. Yeah. Ocho, maybe now there's not the physicality that it.

Was back in the day. Yeah, probably now. If there was a time it could happen, it is definitely now because the way they've handicapped the game. You damn right.

Yeah, right. Zach and said, Cam Newton really offended folks with his comments on game managers versus different makers. I don't think it's taking so while. What do you guys think?

I.

Think Cam is entitled to his opinion. But here's the thing. When braided said that the game and the play, everybody commended him. Cam said something like, Oh, I can't believe he said that. We just got to get out. For me, Ocho, I believe you can be a good player without being elite. I think the thing is that they've like, Either your elite or your bum. And it's like, Well, what about all the area in between? Can a player fall in between there? I played in the 90s, and I played into the early 2000s. Every quarterback was an elite. Every quarterback.

Was in a bum. That still goes for the day. We talk about it on here all the time. There are different tiers. There are tier one. You have elite, you have your elites who are the tier ones, you have your tier twos, and you have the tier threes. That's just the way the game goes. And it goes like that for every single position. I'm not sure what they're all up and arms about. Cam is a former quarterback, NFL quarterback at that. Not just a quarterback, he's a former NFL MVP.

Mvp of the Year.

I'm sure he knows exactly what he's talking about. Some people are going to agree. That's the great thing about life in general. When you have a topic that people are able to have an opinion on, sometimes you can agree, sometimes you're not. And that's okay.

Yeah. Ethan Rainmost... You said, Love the content, Unk and Ocho. You all doing great things. I just want to know your Mount Rushmore teammates you played with, much love. Who's your Mount Rushmore teammates?

I'm not around much more teammates, but obviously I'm going to have to start with Carson Palmer. I got to start with Carlson Palmer. He's responsible for my success as far as my numbers are concerned from a statistical point. Tj Hushmanzada. Definitely my second we've been together since Oregon State. We were both drafted to the Bangles. We've been friends for a very, very long time now. Twenty three years, to be exact. Third would probably be Willy Anderson. Willy Anderson was very vital in my maturity and my maturity throughout my years with the Bangles, through my ups and downs. A lot of conversations had with him to keep me in line, keep me out of trouble. He was more than just a teammate. And probably number five, my teammate, Mount Rushmore.

Ain't no number five. Mount Rushmore got four heads.

It is.

What the hell you going to make a Mount Rushmore with five heads? What Mount.

Rushmore you got? My bad. Well, shoot that. That's my fault. That's a...

Well, your Mount Rushmore ain't in South Dakota then. Where your Mount Rushmore at? You got five.

Heads on it. That's a good foe too. That's a real good foe.

This mother got a Medusa. They said Mount Rushmore.

Not Mount Medusa. My bag.

Oh, man, damn. It's tough for me. Because you remember I played with two teams.

You got to start with John. They got to be your first.

Okay, I got John, but I got four Hall of Fame teammates in Denver: John, TD, Atwater, Zem. I got three Hall of Fame teammates in Baltimore: Jonathanugdyn, Ray Lewis, Rod Woodson.

But who are you closer with?

Ray and Woody. Obviously, I'm closer with them.

I can't take you my Rushmore, but obviously I would have had the quarterback first, and then whoever I'm closest with after that.

Well, obviously John got to go up there. He got to go up there. Ray got to be up there. I got four teams based on the 100th anniversary team. How many guys could say they got four guys they played with on the 100th anniversary team? Four.

Yeah, you're right.

I got a left tackle that was all decade and two different decades, the '80s and the '90s with Zem. Ray all decades into 2000. Jonathan Auden all decade into 2000. Rodd all decades in the '80s and the '90s.

That's crazy.

Two defensive player of the year. Mvp to MVP.

It's crazy. I know. I already know. You were very fortunate.

I would say John Ray. Woody. Probably at water I'm closer with. Because he came in a year before I did.

I think, did I play against Atwater? No, hell, no. I would have ran Steve-ass over, boy. Okay.

I feel would love to see that.

I would have love to see that. You saw what I did, they're ready. Hey, Reyl. Hey, baby.

Reyl, what are you.

Talking about? Baby, send us some money, baby. Reyl, send us a hundred dollars. Sean, come on, Big Bang.

Vw said, Hi, guys. Love this show. Question, do you like your partner to really know about sports, or do you prefer she's the stereotype of knowing nothing about sports? That's a.

Good question.

I mean, the likelihood of I'm going to find about it that's knowledgeable to me, but they know a little something. They know like, okay, you scored a touchdown or he made that basket. You know what I'm saying? She ain't going to say he made a shot. He made that basket. How did he get all them points? I ain't never seen no game like this. So it doesn't matter because for the most part, they going to be upstairs. I'm going to be downstairs because they like sound. They like volume. They like to hear the guys, the color guys, and the play by play. They like to hear the game. I don't. They need to hear because they don't know what I know. I don't listen to the sound because I don't want them to contaminate what I'm going to say. Plus, Ojo, you got to realize, when we watch tape, there is no sound. When we watch film, there is no sound. I got used to watching with no sound. Now, I mean, to hear people talk, it drives me crazy to talk about the game. I don't want to hear what you're doing. The only sporting event that I'll listen to is track and field.

That's the only sporting event I'll listen to.

That's good. I mean, I think for me, obviously, everyone have obviously they've known something. Obviously, Reyl knows a thing or two about the game of football, but it's pretty cool. It really didn't matter to me whether you liked it or not. It was never a thing.

But.

That's a good question, too. It's a good question. Some people.

Really.

Care about that stuff. You know that?

Yeah, of course. I used to watch Bull riding.

Oh, I watched PBR, too. I watched PBR. You saw when.

I rolled the bull.

In 2010? Yeah, I.

Saw you get bucked off in one second.

Some of them get bucked. Some of the pros get bucked off in one second too.

That wasn't any of the top bulls. That wasn't Bodacious. That wasn't Bushwacker. That wasn't Little Yellow Jacket. That wasn't.

The Tohonoa. I told them to let me ride Bushwacker, and I would have dominated them up.

Bad Bushwacker to broke your neck. Crazy.

And the only reason I fell off that bull when I came out to shoot is because I wasn't used to that power being up underneath me, because there's no way to train for that. Listen, on the mechanical bull. I'm dominating the mechanical bull on high. Hey, let me tell you something. I ain't never seen no bull. We ain't got no motherfucking PBR bulls out here in Miami. I'm thinking I'm practicing with Ty Murray, a legend-.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah. I'm on the mechanical bull going crazy, and I'm like, Oh, this is going to be easy. I get on the real bull in the shoot for the first time.

They so power. You can feel.

That power. He's so fucking fat. I couldn't close my legs. I'm like, Tyra, how is pull to ride? This ain't what we practice. My legs are wide open, and I can't close them. How am I supposed to get the grip to be able to... He's like, You got to do your best. Use your spurs. Use your spurs on the back. Man, fuck these spurs. I can't close my legs.

Man, they open- Ty'n Murray is one of the all time great, tough Edelman. Tough Edelman, the one that when he was on Bodacious. Bodacious had what they call a dive bomb where he.

Would die straight down.

Then when he feel the rider's moment of shift, he.

Throw his bag back.

And hit him right in the face. Yeah, Bodacious. That was Sammy Andrews' bull. He had to retire because he's like, you're going to hurt somebody. But Bushwhacker came along. I think I would probably give the nod to Bushwhacker. Although ET and Little Yellow Jacket-.

It's a real deal.

-the Hannah, yeah.

They had some bad boys back then. I'm mad Bushwhacker retired, man. I would love just to tell my kids, man, your daddy rolled a.

Pbr book. Your daddy was going to say, tell your daddy you sought on Bushwacker's back. That's what you're going to tell your kids. You sought on Bushwacker's back. Bushwacker, they ain't nothing to play with because most of those are crossed between their tourists, they're Taurus, they're a brahman. So you want the biggest and the baddest.

Most.

Definitely.

This is how I know we are the greatest show of all time. What other show would you be sitting up here talk about PBR, Bulls and their Writers.

Yeah, I know sumo wrestles like the Kanahana, Wakanahana, Akebono.

You know a little something about everything. Okay.

That's what I do. I don't know everything, but I know a little something.

About everything. I know some more wrestlers too.

You talk about you know tennis. You like tennis?

Now we're talking. Now we're talking.

Yeah.

This is a very good friend of mine, Chris Eubank. Matter of fact, he's in town right now. He's practicing, obviously one.

Of my- You're a big lefty, right? He's not even.

A lefty. One of my favorites, obviously one of the best right now, very, very young Carlos Alcaraz. Carlos Alcaraz, very, very, very excited.

Yeah, very excited. Yeah. But I grew up in the '80s and the '90s when the American 10 is dominated. You had Pete Sanford, you had Agassie, you had Jim Curry, you had Michael Chang, you had those guys. And then all of a sudden it shifted. Obviously, in the '80s, you had McEnroll, you had Curry, excuse me, Jim Mcinroll and Jimmy Conners.

Jimmy.

Yeah. And then, man, you had Andy Rodda, James Blake. But man, you had a couple of John Isner had this moment. But when the big three burst on the... Reyl donated 300. She said the best podcast. I appreciate that, Reyl. Baby, boy.

You're going to get you some.

But these guys now, Ojo, if you look at the champions now, Ojo, those guys back then, those guys did a lot of serving Bolly. They hit that smash and then come to the net and finish it off. These guys play more baseline to baseline. You had the Sanford serving Bolly. You had Stephan Edberg serving Bolly. You had Michael Steeke. You had Goran Ivanyevich. You had those guys. I'm talking about the.

Big power. But you know what? Guys, these days have gotten so much better. If your serve is strong enough and you have somebody that's already all the way at the back of the baseline, all the way back at the baseline based on your serve, you could actually serve and attack the net like that.

But people- But they don't.

It's.

Hard. Even the women used to do more serve in Bali. Martina Novo to logo with tremendous serve in Bali. You look at Stephie Graff, who I don't think gets the credit that she deserved because I think she had the greatest season. Nobody's had a season like a Steffie in '88 where she won the Golden Sombrero. She won all four majors, and she won the Olympic gold medal in '88. Nobody has ever done that. Serena came close.

But I think about it, when you think about the players of today's game, as we always talk about the NFL, players have gotten bigger, faster, and stronger, and everybody is a little bit more skillful. I think that's why people can't.

Play- But technology also with that record, that record is done major because that ain't the wood now. That's graphite, that's carbon fiber. And the spin that they can put on the ball, you look at those lefties, you look at Ralph on the doll, and the way he can spin the ball, he can go out or let, take it up that man.

You know who are two of my favorites, Gael Monfis. Yeah, Gael Monfiz? Gael Monfiz and nick Carios.

Okay, yeah.

For the Australia. Nick Carios is basically like the Draymond Green of tennis.

Yeah. Think about it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much for watching. Make sure you click that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe.

I see.

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