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So thank you again. Ocho, let's jump right into the ball game. The Browns beat the jets 30-20. Man, I thought Ocho, I thought Joku would go get my record. He had four catches for a buck 13 in the first quarter. I thought, Oh, man. Oh, man, he got me. He got me. He cooled down substantially. He ended the game with six receptions, 134 yards on eight targets. But he had an outstanding game going and Joe Flacko had it going again. What did he finish with? 19 to 29, 309, 301 interception. Considering he cooled off substantially in the second half. He had 296 at the half, so he only had 13 yards in the second half. But they didn't need a whole lot. They ran the football, but it was the turnovers. I think, Ford, Fumble. I think another guy got it punched out. So give the jets credit. But what the jets have going on, O'choh? If they think Aaron Rogers is going to solve all the ills with what's going on with that team, they're fooling themselves, and they're setting him up for failure.

Failure. Absolutely not. Listen, I've always said that you and I, we've been going back and forth about Zach Wilson being at the helm and really not being able to do anything. A lot of the chipping and a lot of the noise on the outside feels that if Aaron Rogers was to come back, all of a sudden he would be the savior. If you understand the night, if you look at Trevor Simeon behind center, he had 1.9 seconds to throw the ball. 1.9 seconds. That's not enough time to do anything. That's not enough time to.

Have a three- By the time you catch it and take a step back, Ocho.

Somebody's already in your face. So there's really nothing you can do. There are many woes and many problems that need to be addressed in the offseason before Aaron Rogers even thinks about stepping behind center. But again, on the other flip side of things, I want to talk about the Browns. The Browns obviously in playoff contention, making the playoff for the first time since 2020. But I don't like the fact that... I don't know, please help me understand, and you know this too, as well as me, as long as we played the game. Why do games like this? Joe Flacko is having the game of his life. Obviously another 300-yard game, almost-.

He had 3 on 9. He had 2.96 on.

The half. But he had 296 something, whatever it was at the half. But then we get into the second half, and all of a sudden, the fans skin, whoever else is calling the plays, they step off the gas all the way, all the way up the ground. If Chief, I call him Chief, if Cheek and Jocko had a first half like that, why not continue? Why not continue that momentum? Why not continue what they were doing in the first half, in the second half? And had that carry over into the next game and then into the playoffs? That is great momentum for your team. That is great confidence for your team, especially from an often the standpoint with a quarterback that's only been there for.

Five weeks.

Why come off the gas? I don't understand why team do that.

So it makes no sense. It does, Nocho, but you know the thing is that look, they got a decent running game. It's not what it would be had they had nick Chubb, and Ford can run the football. But I think the thing is that it's easy to say we should have stepped on it, but it cost thousands of Super Bowl. Remember, when they should have been running the ball, they still full speed ahead. And guess what happened? Incomplete, incomplete. Patrice get the ball, have a turnover, they get the ball again. The next thing you know, had you just run the football, you could have just run the football three or four series, and there wouldn't have been enough time. But because you kept stopping the clock and you turned the ball over on a short field, now you give a team an opportunity to get back in the ball game. So I understand. And even though selfishly, I would have liked to see then Joe see what type of game he could have had had they kept going. I understand Stefanski and his rationale and thinking because you know what we're going to say. You let that team come back after you done had them down like that, and you're getting reckless with the ball, throwing it all over the place.

When you got forward, you have Kareem Hunt. People are going to look at you like, What did you do? You just cost your team a playoff spot.

Yeah, but you have to think about this. You have to think about how they planned defensively. If you only got 1.9 seconds to even throw the ball, they were running the decent, really not really effective enough to even come back in this game. Why not continue to pour it on and pour it on? Dude, what that does for your team confidence and that team offensively, mentally, to go on and win a game like that, even if it is a New York jets, that carries on to the next game. And what happens when it carries on to the next game, it carries right on over.

Into the playoff. How did the jets get the toughdown? Flacko threw a pick, ran it back. How did they get the field goal?

Fumble. Well, that was unfortunate, though. The dude tipped the ball. He was trying to throw it in the flat. Think about it. He should have threw it in the ground. He should have threw it in the ground.

Hey, think about this. Remember what happened Monday night? How many of those balls got tipped? That rock party got picked? Three of them.

Okay, you're right. All three of them.

He had four of the first, and the end was clean. All the rest of them got popped up in the air.

Right.

Okay. I'm with you. Snowballs on you. I get what the fans can say. Like I said, selfishly, you and I, we see a guy, a Black man, Flacko has 296 at the half, and you said, we step on the game. I mean, we keep the pedal to the metal. What could it have been? But then on the flip side-.

About 58.

At.

The rate they were going. It didn't even... It didn't even look like the Brown. Just in general. When I think about the Brown's offense and what I saw tonight in that first half, I'm like, who in the hell are they? Who the fuck.

Are they? With Noah, with Noah. With Noah.

With Noah. And they didn't miss a beat.

They didn't miss the beat. I mean, he had long Joe Flacko and Joe Coo had a longer 43. Elijah Moore had a longer 24. Ford had a longer 50. Atkins had a longer 28. I mean, they were deep shots. We know Joe Flacko has a big time arm. The one that he threw the four for the 50 yard, he's rolling to his left, and he sides arms it. We know Joe Flacko isn't known for his mobility. So for him to get out of the way, change arm angles, and get the ball to forward, and let the forward do the rest. It just shows that this offense is really, really good. The defense was hunting tonight. But what am I supposed to say? Ojo, I think you and I could have got a sack or at least a hit on the quarterback against that offensive line. That offensive line is terrible.

It's tough. I hate to say this, and I'm not want to say it because I know what it's like being on a losing team. You think they're giving up?

No, they're not. They're just bad. I mean, the offensive line, as big as they are, I've looked at the Macau-Beckton. Bro, he's.

Their best player. He's their best.

Officer of the line. He's getting up 11th side, most in the NFL. Second most penalty yard. Second most penalty is called against. I mean, the dude came blocking the son out of his eyes and he's 6'7, 350 pounds. Man, come on, man. You can't block the son out of his eyes. Ain't no way you should be that big and that bad. I get that's Myles Garrett. But at some point in time, Myles Garrett ain't just going to keep beating on me. I'm going to win some of these battles. I ain't say you got to win them all because Myles Garrett is one of the top players in the League, and he paid a premium. But at some point in time, damn, son. Yeah, I.

Know what you mean. But again, that is Myles Garrett. There are certain players when it comes to it, if you beat consistently throughout the game, it's because you're playing against a premium player like a Myles Garrett, a TJ Watt, or who else? One of the both of you guys.

I don't care if it's Miles Garrett, Michael Carson, TJ Watt, and whoever else all of them won. You not been to beat me every single plate. I mean, at some point in time, Ocho, Pride got to kick in, regardless of who you lined up against.

But listen, think about this. Think about as prideful as he may be, as prideful as he wants to be, there's a skill set gap. No matter what you do in that game, that person across from you will always be better than you.

But you got.

To win one. You want to won my kicking?

You got to win one. My brother was three years older than me. We fought all the time. I got me a couple of licks here. I got me a couple here.

Unless you got you a couple of licks.

But then you win. Here's the thing. That's all I'm saying. You might not win, but you got to stop him on a few plays.

Okay, you're right. I like the pride time. I like the pride thing because you are playing... If you're not playing for the jets, you are playing for the name on the back of that goddamn jersey, and you.

Got to step up. I had a college coach said that when you go out, and he told him, Bill Davis, my college coach at Savannah State, he said, Do not recruit offensive lineman. He said, I don't ever want you all to go recruit any offensive lineman. He says, I want all defensive lineman. He said that we get defensive lineman and they can't play defense. We can move them to offensive line and they can play offense. He said, Because if you get an offensive lineman and he can't play, you got a big ass equipment manager on your head.

That's.

A good- That's what you got, Ojo. Where can you move him? Tell me where you can move an offensive lineman. He can't play defense because he doesn't have the mentality.

Mentality, yeah. But then obviously there's a certain mentality that you have to have to play offensive line as well. That's why you have a defense guy.

You.

Move him over there. Yeah, especially the blind side. Now listen, that's the most important position in the offensive line. The blind side to the quarterback, unless you left-handed, that's your money. That's your money, man. That's your chess piece. The most important chess piece. So you got to be able to play-.

You got to be nimble. You got to be agile. You got to be able to dance on air.

Your footwork got to be special. You got to be able to kick. You got to be able to kick and hang it down.

That's why you're putting them boy dogs on the open side. That's why you have those guys over there. That's why you see the miles, Garen, over there. That's what the open side. When you saw the Derrick Thomas, LT mainly lined up on that side. But it didn't matter what LT lined up. This is why you know LT is the greatest defensive player, because Joe Gibbs put an offense in just for him. The Hback position was created. The extra tight in was created for Lawrence Taylor. Right. And everybody in the NFC, he made two positions famous, the left tackle and the edge linebacker, because everybody went and got them. If you couldn't block LT, you couldn't beat the giants. Minnesota, they went and got the Gary Zimmerman, and the 49ers went and got Steve Wallace. You go look at the team that went and got somebody, especially to deal with 56.

The Block LT and nobody succeeded?

No. That's crazy. You know what they were called? They're the commanders now. But they got Joe Jacob. They traded for Jim the Shape. I've been talking about two, and Jacob, if I'm not mistaken, I think he's on the Hall of Fame ballot this year, or he went in last year, but I think he's on the ballot this year. But you look at the teams in the NFC that went and got drafted or traded for premium left tackle because I think Jimbo Covert, the bears, you had to. There was no way around it you had to deal with it. Right. He wasn't a guy. The thing is, he's going to be on the edge. The difference between he and Reggie, Reggie is turning the handle. He's turning the handle on your center, on your guard, on your tackle. He just did one of these open. Then when he found out it was open, he could wear him out all day. But yeah, O'Johan, at some point in time, you have to have a situation where the pride kicks in and says, I understand. He's a far superior athlete than me, but I can't let this man beat me.

I mean, there's 80,000 fans watching, and there's another 10 million at home watching, and this man beat me every single play.

Every play. Matter of fact, listen, I don't play the left tackle position. I don't know much about the left tackle position or playing off this line at all. But when I think about it, if I can't beat him physically, if I can't beat him at his own game, then I got to beat him up here. If I can't beat him physically, you got to beat him up here. I don't really know how to explain what you can do at that position, but try to be two steps ahead two steps ahead of him. Try to envision what he might do. Try to beat him to the punch. If it's cheating a little bit, if it's getting out to kick, getting out to off the ball a little faster, kicking to a certain point, stabbing him, grabbing him, holding him. Any goddamn thing. Just do something. Because having 1.9 seconds to throw the ball in the NFL game where you're supposed to be one of the best in the world is unacceptable. It's unacceptable. And guess who... Guess who gets the blame? The goddamn quarterback.

Me personally, I don't think he's athletic enough, his feet are quick enough to play that position. He's probably better suited for a guard or a right tackle. He seems to me like more of a run guy because on that open side, that's where your premium athlete, that's where your Trent Williams reside. That's where your big dogs, that's where your Jonathan Augustins, your Orlando Paces and your Anthony Munozys. That's where those guys resided. You see, mammoth of a man that would slide, J. O, was a shot putter. You know he had feet to be able to rotate, and he was a glide thrower. He didn't spin like we see the big guys now, like Ryan Krauser and all those guys. He was a glide thrower. But It's just they need to hold that. That offensive line isn't very good. I don't believe Aaron Rogers, even as great as he is, I don't believe he can come in and instantaneous make them a contending football team. That's just me personally. Somebody else might see it totally different, but I just don't see that.

Yeah. What's going to happen? Aaron Rodgers is coming back next year, and magically everybody's just going to be playing that much better. All of a sudden, out the blue, that's really not the way things work. Obviously, he played for a player at the beginning of the season. He got hurt. Because why? He was running for his life. He was running for his life. But anyway, back to the Browns again. They look real good. It pains me to say this. This is Cleveland's second playoff appearance in the last 21 years. First team to make the playoff with a four-quartback carousel: Watson, PJ Walker, Thompson, Robinson, and Flacko. So, Kevins and Fanky. This is the second playoff appearance in four seasons. Do you think he should be up for a candidate for Coach of the Year?

Absolutely. I absolutely think he should be up for Coach of the Year. I think D'Amico Ryan should be in that running, considering he's doing this with a rookie quarterback. I think Mike McDaniel, what he's doing Atlanta, excuse me, Miami, I think he should be in consideration. But for me, if Houston makes the playoff with a rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback, you got to give it to Miko. To Miko? Yeah, absolutely. Stan Cloudy asked the question. O'tro said, We got to talk about why Flacko is moving the offense better than Watson.

Wait, I have a question. Before you say anything, I want people to remember. Let's remember, when Watson played, the Browns were five-and-one. The Browns were five-and-one. They were winning games. But offensively, statistically, it doesn't look like it does with Flacko.

At the helm. That's the question that he asked. He says, We need to ask the question, why does the offense look like this with Flacko and not.

With Watson? That's funny. You know it's crazy? Remember that was the first thing I asked you on last week's show? Why does it look like this? I don't understand. Are the plays different? I mean, the plays can't be that much different. He had a Mark Cooper, he had Elijah Rogers, and Chief and Jocko was there. So I can't answer it. I've been watching the games. I watched the games when the Sean was playing. I'm not sure what happened. It can't be because Flacko was higher. Dashian is a little bit more mobile. The arm strength, I wouldn't say is the strongest, Flacko, but he.

Has the arm- Yeah, he has way above average arm, way above average.

Yeah.

Way above average.

Like you.

Said, it's not Flacko, but it's good enough. Played it good enough.

Yeah, it's good enough. So I'm trying to understand what the difference is. Are the plays a little bit different because Flacko was in? But most in the bulk of the offense would be at DeSiane Watson service. So why does the offense look different with flack or the hem? I asked you because I couldn't answer it.

And I watched all the games. If you look at the West Coast system, and that's the system that I spent the bulk of my career, and I think it's probably the system that helped me the most, making it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, it's a heavy play action. So the ability to run the football and you look at the teams that's West Coast, you look at Miami, you look at the 49ers, you look at the Chiefs. And even though we don't think the Chief is a running team, they run, they like to play, they like to play action. If you look at Flacko, when they play action, he's looking to throw the ball down the field. He's looking to get the ball down the field. If you look at the throws that he hit in Joe Coo on the night, the deep overouts, you look at the play that he hit the Rogers. He's throwing it down the field now. Sometimes maybe Dashawn is a bit more cautious, don't want to turn the ball over. But that's not Joe Flacko's mentality. Joe Flacko's mentality is the ripping. He's going to throw the ball down the field.

He's going to push the ball down the field. He's going to push the envelope.

That's a good thing. Now that you said that, do you think Flacko is more inclined to just play freely because he didn't have the weight of the contract over his shoulder or DeShan being a little bit more cautious because of the contract and knowing that I really can't play as free as I'd like to because as soon as I make a mistake, the first thing they bring up is the money they pay.

They're not going to blame themselves. Because if I go say, What's the worst thing you all could do? Send me back to my couch. Hell, I just got here. I said, Okay, so why go back to day to day to do this and pick it up and take dropping up my kids? It's my five kids at school. Listen, he hears everything that we're saying, their murmurs in Cleveland. The fans in the stands and on the radio stations, they're saying the same conversation that you're not having right now, Mary Kay, Cavit and all those people in Cleveland are having those same conversations. Why does the offense look so different with Joe Flacko? A guy that was calling teams, asking for roster spot, Can I come in? Let me throw for you. Let me do this. And everybody told him no. So how does a guy get off his couch in five weeks look better than a guy that's been there throughout the entirety?

Yeah. You know the funny thing is I think, well, he can do it. I think what I just said might be the issue. Playing cautious, not playing free, wanting to play mistake-free football instead of pinning your ears back and letting that motherfucker fly. I think when does have the opportunity to come back, because he will be back and what we've seen from Amari, what we've seen from Elajima, what we've seen from Jerome Fort, what we've seen from Kareem Hunt, they can get the job done. That West Coast offense should pick up right where I left off once the Sean is back.

Healthy and ready to rock. He's going to have to, Ojo, because the guy we're about to talk about, Denver Broncos is benching his $242 million contract. The franchise- That's bullshit. The franchise- That's bullshit. -that's bullshit. Russ is expected to be cut by the Broncos in March for almost two months, he's been knowing the organization was most likely going to move on for him after the season.

Bullshit. Bunch of bullshit. Listen, a lot of people in the chat, those that are listening, those that are watching, I know there have been a lot of gripes about Russell Wilson. I even talked about it. I'm surprised to see that the maturation of the relationship between him and Sean Payton have been doing well. He scrutinized a lot. Everything is magnified, obviously because of the contract reasons. Wilson's number this year, 20-6 TD passes. He ranks sixth in the affair, only behind Doug, Prescott, and Brock Purdy. Let me see. Obviously, Jared Goff, Josh Allen, blah, blah, blah, whatever. He's 33. This season alone, I think he's ahead of him and Patrick Mohomes. Patrick Mohomes and Wilson's numbers are identical. They're identical. So I'm trying to understand the move by the Broncos is simply a money move. It's simply a money move. It's a business move on trying not to pay. Is it 39 million? No, he's already guaranteed 39 million.

He's guaranteed 39 next season, but another 37, if he got hurt and couldn't pass a physical by March 2025, is guaranteed at 37 million.

Guaranteed. Right. It's a money move. I think, for him, if he was playing well, I think would there be any way they can come to him and try to restructure? There would be no way to restructure.

No, I mean, he would have to. And that's what... Ojo, this is why I tell players, why you all are taking pay cuts? Why are you all are giving team discounts. You see what they do to you? You see what they do to you? But take a... And then what they're... And see, the NFL owners have done a great job because they're the only group of people that can convince the common folk that millionaire the millionaires are more selfish than the billionaires. What they frame it as, if a millionaire doesn't give a billionaire pay cut, he's selfish. He doesn't want to win. The fans jump on it with both feet. They buy in with both feet. Oh, if I was doing this, if somebody paid me 30 million, well, if somebody would pay you 30 million, how much do you think they're making? But fans, it's the same. I get... I understand both sides because I was a player, and I understand when they struck in '82, when they struck in '87, the replacement players came in '87. You know why the players started coming back? Because what they found out that the stadium will still feel, they don't care about the player.

All they care about is the logo. Players come and go. That logo stays the same. So what the players found out is that we got to take what they give us, and the owners know that. That's why they do what they do. That's why they don't have guaranteed contracts. You see what baseball did? Baseball shut their entire season down. No World Series, no playoffs. That's what they needed to do to the NFL. No playoffs, no Super Bowl.

Yeah, but you got to get all the players have to.

Be aligned together.

That's hard. That's what you do. You say, Look here, guys. We're going to do this. But I need you guys, we're going to do this, but I need... Guys, listen, no more splurging. I need you to save every dime for three years because this might take a year. This might take a year. It might take two years. But right before the playoffs. That's how you.

Get them?

Right before the playoffs, lock it down.

Everybody.

Got to be aligned. In 2011, what did the owners do to the playoffs, Ocho? They locked your ass out of the building.

Out the building, yeah.

You all go out of the building. They put chains and locks on the door. That's what they did to you all. And what did the fans say? Not a damn thing. Now, billionaires locked out millionaires. But if you don't take a pay cut, the fans jump in the chat. The first thing they're going to say, You're selfish. You're selfish. He don't want to win. Well, the owners don't want to win because they ain't paying no money. Look, I can't even- Yeah.

There's a funny thing about the fans. The fans will say, Oh, a bunch of millionaires crying. Oh, you got all this money. Why are you arguing? Were you making this and you're making that. But I don't think people understand obviously what it takes to even get to this point. Then obviously getting what you feel you're worth. They're already going to cut you short anyway based on what your value really is. But you got to fight tooth and nail to get what you deserve or what you feel you deserve, especially once you put the work in. When you put the work in and your resume is shown on the green graph between the white lines, you have to fight tooth and nail to get what you deserve. I'm not even going to say no names, but some quarterbacks, depending on who it is, oh, it's no issues. Things get done.

Based on who it is. Everybody going to have to face this day. I remember, why you thank Tom braided out of New England? Tom braided wanted that money. They said, Bill Bellichick is not on my watch. I remember when John Elwis made Manning take a pay cut. Yeah, sure did. Sure did. Sure did. Where was this? Where is this? Yeah, look it up. Fans is in the chat, you know.

They may have paid Manning to take a pay cut? They sure did.

Absolutely 1,000%. The thing is, Ocho, is that like I said? The only they frame it and fans by in. I don't know if anybody know fans. But after the season, every NFL team last year got a check for 300 million. Now ain't no tickets sold, ain't no concession, ain't no merchandise. Ain't no TV deal. That's just a TV deal. That's not for tickets. That's not for concession. That's not for merchandise. That's not for local broadcast rights. That's just TV, national TV. Youtube just spent 2.2 billion a year. Amazon spent a billion. Netflix wants some of this action, be it football or basketball.

And the owner split that huh?

Each owner get 300 million. And that's before ticket is sold, ain't no parking, ain't no concession, ain't no merchandise, ain't no local broadcasting. Now let's do local sponsorship. Let's do local advertising. Right. Man, they better stop. You know what, Ojo? I'm sorry I got on my soapbox. I'm sorry I got on my soapbox. But fans need to understand this. They need to understand.

I don't think they'll ever be able to understand though. They don't care. I don't think they'll never be able to understand because they're looking at it from a different view as a fan and not the actual player. They're saying it is, well, you're a millionaire. You're making millions of dollars. Think about the opportunity that you have or that you have to make this money and you're complaining about not making enough. I think it's really hard for them to understand and get a graph.

Of where we're coming from. But what I tell the fans, let's just say you make it $100,000You make $150,000 of your job. You know what I'm going to do? You're solid. I'm going to bump your pay up to 200,000. And your boss come to you and said, I need you to take a $50, $75,000 pay cut because we want to pay somebody else, and we want to make sure that we win at whatever we do. You all signing on for that? Why not? See, I want you to look at it to a relative scale. Don't look at somebody making 30 million because you're not making 30 million. I need you to look at it in your terms. You're making $175,000 to $200,000, and your boss come to you and say, take $50,000 pay cut so we can hire Karen and HR. You good with that? Who good with that? You ain't taking no money from me, but you all got no problem taking a money from a football player. Why? Because it ain't your money. But when I hit your pocket, now all of a sudden, man. See what Harry's saying? Think about it. Remember I told you, when they ask you to take a pay cut, right?

Okay, you're making $13 million. They want to take you down to eight, but they want you to make plays just like you're making 13 million. You see how they did, Joe?

I like how you went there.

Can you still give me $1,400? Can you still give me 10 touchdown? Can you still give me those 90 to 100 catches? But I need you to take an $8,000 pay cut, but make those same plays.

It's crazy how it work. It's crazy how it work. The funny thing about it is you have to damn their play when your price tag is similar to that of Russell Wilson. You got to damn their almost play mistake-free football and damn their be in contention. You can't have no slip-ups, no nothing. The team has to be damn their on the way to the goddamn Super Bowl to warrant the money you're getting. And then the owner, the new owners, the new coach, that's not who brought Russell Wilson in, right?

I remember I had this conversation. I say Sean Payton ain't beholden to Russell Wilson. I said, Oh, Joe, you remember we were in Detroit, and he was yelling? I said, Yeah, I get it. But not in public like that. You don't dress down like that of Russell Wilson. Now we've seen lesser tear quarterbacks, Coach Parcells and some of the other coaches have dressed down less than two quarterbacks, but not Russell Wilson. No matter how poorly you think he's played in Denver, he's a Super Bowl winner. He's a multiple time playoff, and he has 300 touchdown passes. He has 30, 40,000 passing yards, maybe even 50. So he's earned a level, I believe, me personally, I believe he's earned a certain level of respect on the sidelines. Now, if you want to say some things behind closed doors where the public can't hear or see, have at it. But I'm telling you, Ojo, remember I came on, there were some things going on with the last coach that Russell was get away with. When Sean Payton found out about it, he was incensed. Now, I tried to tell people what was going on last year, and everybody was asking, Shannon, how you know?

You ain't in the locker room. You heard what his teammates said, Congratulations, teammate. You're supposed to stand up for Russell Wilson, but I don't give a damn what they said. Everything that I said was going on was factual.

What's going.

On, yeah. Now all of a sudden, Shannon, what you think about the situation? No. When I tried to tell you, you told me to shut my mouth because I didn't know what was going on. I promise you. If I tell you, Grass will turn to cheese, start hustling crackers. That's what I need you to do. Whatever you're doing, whatever your occupation is, if I tell you, Grass will turn to cheese tomorrow, quit your job. Start hustling crackers. Now I told you what was going on, and I told you if Russell Wilson didn't play at an MVP level, the Bronco was going to move on. You know, you ain't in the locker room. You just talking loudmouth. Now, everything I said has come to fruition. Now what?

Yeah. You think they sabotage it on purpose? No. Not saying that it's not possible. They wanted.

To get out of money back contract. It's really simple, Ojo.

You do think they might.

Sabotage him. They didn't sabotage him. Once they realize they said, look, he's not living up to the contract, we don't want to get him hurt on Joe. How many times you see this all the time in the preseason? They don't let the guy play because they don't want to pay him. So they ain't going to let his ass get into the last preseason game, get hurt and get that money. So he don't play. You've seen how many years you've seen that.

Yeah, a lot. But you know what would be a good one? Jared Stidham. Jared Stidham, I know you're going to see this. If you see this and you're really a team player, Jared should get hurt like the first player of the game. So Russell Wilson got to come in and finish the next.

Two weeks. Hold on. O'tro, do you know how many other teams watching this tape? Russell Wilson have made his money.

Okay, I see what you're saying. Money. I'm just a little jab back at the Denver Bronco. Just a little jab back at the Denver Bronco. Oh, since you all want to play games.

You know that ain't hard to work, Ocho. Because here's the thing. Here's a guy that's not made a ton of money. 31 other teams going to get this film. Now, granted, they did the same thing to Deric Carr last year. Jared Stidham started in place of Deric Carr. Remember, Jared Stidham was supposed to be the guy that played for Tom braided. Now, I don't know how if Jared Stedham... Now, he's had two opportunities. New England and the Raiders. This is his third opportunity, so we're going to find out. But I know he's going to put his best foot forward because he's playing for-.

Three times the charm. Right.

Listen, Russell got 39 million guarantee coming. So even he's going to be able to double dip. With the Raiders needing a starting quarterback, there are a lot of teams that need to start in quarterback.

I think the best place for him to go is the Steeler. I said the Steeler. The Washington football team need a quarterback. The Patriards.

Need a quarterback?

No, don't send them to the Patriots. Don't send them to the Patriots. Don't do that. I think the Steelers, you have Tomlin, Super Bowl winning coach. You have Russell Wilson, a Super Bowl winning quarterback with a pedigree and knowing what it's like to again get to the playoffs. The Steeler standard on always winning and being in playoff contention. That's the perfect quarterback for your situation. You got Piggins. You got Deante Johnson. Listen, being able to hand the ball off to goddamn Naja Harris. I can't remember the other running backs name who've been playing really well.

What's Jaylen's last name? I know exactly number 30 for the stealers. I know exactly that.

I think it's a match made in heaven based on the resume of Tomlin, the resume of goddamn Russell Wilson. You don't have to do too much. You have great targets. You have a great running game. You got a great coach, great scheme. You have a great fucking defense, a good defense. It just makes too much sense to me. The Falcons can use it. I don't like it.

The Falcons? Atlanta Falcons?

No, don't do that.

They got cow pit. They got the receiver from USC. They got Bayesian Robinson.

Drake London. Yeah, Drake London. Yeah, he's good. But we.

Talk about- Jaylen Warren is the guy that is the running back for the Steeler. Jaylen Warren.

You just putting him on the team. I'm thinking about long term and actually have been in contention to win the guy for the trophy.

The New League down to 13 years though, Joe, how much long term you think he's going to play? You think he'll be... See, everybody thought I'm going to play like braided. I'm going to play like braided.

No, if he's not going to play that long, at least put him on a team that is going to make the playoffs and be in contention for a trophy. It ain't going to be the goddamn Falcons, and that's no disrespect to them.

They got a long way to go. They got a lot of peace. What did I just tell you? Date the girl that wants you, not the girl you won't.

I don't think that Stillie would turn their nose up at Russell Wilson now. What you think he going to want? He don't want much. He just got 39. Now, he don't want to hit.

You across the head though. Hold on. What I made at my last job ain't got nothing to do. Even if they still owe me money, they ain't got nothing to do with you.

Right.

How many people? Fans in the chat? You own your job. Your job let you go, but they got to pay you your salary. Let's just say it's $100,000, $200,000. You go to your new job. Well, your old job is still paying you, so we're only going to pay you. The hell you say, I ain't working at the old job. I'm working at a new job, so I want new money.

I don't even think he has the leverage like that anyway. I don't think he has the leverage like that. You don't want to come off in bad taste, going to a new team, demanding.

Anything extreme. I want the go and rate. Okay, what's the go and rate for a starting quarterback? Forty mil.

Right.

Now? What? The cowboys are going to renegotiate that contract. It's going to be somewhere between 50 and 60.

Yeah, they need to pay himself. I don't.

Know whether America- But Russell Wilson said, okay, the going rate for a starting quarterback is 40 mil. That 39 that I got coming, they ain't got nothing to do with you all. You all didn't pay none of that. I'm on your clock now. I thought Russ played well. I know what they're looking at. They say, When the game is reliant on Russell being improvisational, that's when he's at his best. So I don't think Sean Payton really likes that. He likes things a little bit more structured. If you look at the success he had, Drew Brees is more prototypical of what Sean Payton is looking for. Although I think that style of quarterback play is archaic. If you look at the quarterbacks that's having success, most of those guys are more athletic. They're more mobile. Now look, Jared Goff is not the more mobile. He can take off. He has better legs than braided and Manning Everhane. But he's not Lamar, nobody's asking him to be. But we see Patrick my home, how mobile he is. We see a Joe Burrow. We'll see these guys. These guys have become much more athletic. Yes, they can drop back, throw the ball from the pocket.

But when you got Miles, Garrett and you got Michaels and you got the TJ Watts, those guys have become more athletic. So you need a quarterback that's more athletic to be able, even though they can't outrun them, just buy some time in order to push the ball down the field. Yes, this is all about money. I'm not surprised that they're taking this route for the simple fact is they don't believe that Russell Wilson is playing up to that contract, and he can fulfill the remaining years on that contract. So you know what? We're going to cut back. We're going to eat 39 million. It's probably going to be somewhere between $6 and $7 million in dead money. Now, do we divvy it up over two years, or do we just take this blow to the stomach right now? That's the only question that the Broncos have, because the Broncos have already made their decision. They're moving on in 2024 without Russell Wilson.

But then to who?

To what? They're probably going to draft maybe in free agency. I don't know. But they're going on without Russ, because think about what they gave up to get him. Two first rounds, or the second, a third, or four, and three players.

A lot. Which is why the fact that they're getting rid of him so soon.

Oh, show.

Is beyond me.

The thing that a lot of these teams, what they will do once they come to... Because a lot of times what you do, you're in a relationship. And you all hear me talk about relationships a lot. A lot of times in a relationship, you know that shit ain't working. But out of a matter of convenience, you stay your ass there. Instead of just moving on either party, I'm not saying he's wrong or her or this or that. I'm saying people sometimes stay in a relationship when you know it ain't going nowhere. The Blancos know they're not going anywhere with Russell Wilson. So instead of staying and trying to figure it out, let's just move on down the road. Guess what? He might be, we've all been in situation. It didn't work out with us, but she has better luck with someone else, or you have better luck with someone else. It's okay.

Yeah.

Right. You got to be able to process that, Ocho.

Yeah. When you use that analogy, it makes much more sense. It makes much more sense, especially when you put it like that. But to me, with the money that comes into play and the fact that it's only been two years, wait, this is year two, right? Yes, the second year. Yeah, it's only year two. Normally, I would think... I would think with a new coach coming in, new regime, new owner, you give it some time, but I guess their mind is made up. I think Sean Payden just maybe didn't like Russell Wilson. Maybe he just didn't like him. And the fact that Russell has known for a long time that they were to bench him and get rid of him, and he's.

Still professional.

And was still out there professional and winning games, throwing TDs, but... And I think that's why Sean Payton barked at him a little bit. He wanted to get a reaction. I think he wanted to get a.

Reaction- That ain't Bruce, but that's not really Russell's personality. I'm not surprised. Russell just tucked it. Like I said, said, I was like, I'm trying to figure out why he was yelling, unless Russell checked to a plate. It was supposed to be quarterback sneak or something. I don't understand how he's yelling at Russ because the damn lines are lined up outside. How the hell is that Russ's fault? Yeah. I was a.

Little bit of a puzzle. Probably did cause some... Probably did cause some... He was supposed to call.

That's why I was puzzled. Look, no matter what, transpired before Sean Payton got there. Everybody was supposed to have a fresh late. So whatever Russ did or didn't do, that wasn't under your watch. So you shouldn't have felt some type of way about him. I thought we were starting from scratch. Clearly, that wasn't the case. No matter what you had to look, I've been critical of Russ. But I don't think Russ deserved... I shouldn't say he deserved, because I hate using that word deserve. I just think the thing is the Broncos felt that Russ wasn't living up and couldn't fulfill the money that was remaining on the contract instead of trying to make it work. You know what? Let's just move on. Let's just move on, O'chell. I mean, it's really that simple. Let's just.

Move on. That's tough. But then I think when owners or they make those type of business decisions, do they think about the other players in the locker room? Hell, no. Do they think about the fans? What do the fans think? Because now you're back at square one. Because you got 32 teams in the field and you need one. There's one important position that you need to compete week in and week out and even think about playoffs or goddamn Lombardi trophy and that's a quarterback. And you just let one that is a Super Bowl winner, one that's been to multiple playoffs, and one that knows what it takes to win. And because he wasn't playing well, you know what? Because he's making so much money, we're going to let this one go and start over from scratch.

You know why the owners don't care what the fans think? Because they're going to buy them tickets and show their ass up in the stands. And you know what? And the ones that can't afford their tickets, they're going to watch on television. Look at the ratings. Look at the ratings, Ocho. The NFL, that's what moves the needle. You see, the reason why they wanted the players to stand because it was affecting the sponsors, the advertisers. That's what moved them. They don't give a damn about them fans. Now, when the fans like, Okay, we're not going to watch or we're not going to boycott, whatever, we'll see. But when the sponsors started feeling some type of way, when the people... Yeah. See, they figured this out. The fans are going to come regardless. When they talk about, Oh, boycott, boycott, boycott, you all ain't boycoting. Because those same people that boycotted Michael Vick, when they came back from the Eagles, guess what? Soon as the game started, they put those damn signs down and they went in the game. They wouldn't watch the game. That's what they did. The owners realized that you all ain't boycott nothing and you're watching.

That's why the ratings keep going up and up and the TV money keep going up and up. That's why it costs more for everybody trying to get in a live event. That's why. Youtube doing football games. Amazon go from delivering packages to doing football games.

Football.

Games, yeah. Come on now. That's crazy. Come on with it. If it makes dollars, it makes sense. One with a C and one with an S. Either way, it makes sense. And you know what I'm talking about? All that talking, we're going to boycott, we're going to do this. No, you're not. You're not going to do anything. You're going to show to the game and pay, and you're going to watch on television. The owners have.

Figured it out. That's crazy. The funny thing about it is the fans will probably never all join in unison and say, okay, we're boyciding. Even worse than that, to get the players all to align with the same moral compass and values of in order for things to work, in order for things to turn and switch over in our favor, we all got to say, you know what? Fuck it, we ain't doing it. We ain't playing until we get guaranteed contracts or whatever it may be, whatever cause it is that you want to fight for to get all 53 players on all 32 teams to get together and do it. All it takes is one time to get the change that you want. All it takes is one time, but it'd be a damn the impossible. Because when them checks, when them checks stop coming in September ninth roll around and any checks coming in, man, boy, I'm.

Going to get tough now. That's why I'm saying you got to have a process, though. You can't say, okay, we're going to do this. You said you got to give the players three years and you got to let them know this is what's happening. Hopefully you have enough in the war chest that you can withstand a year.

But Ojo, look- That's a tough one because them owners or they.

Can withstand- Because here's the thing. I'm worth a billion dollars. I go to the bank and said, Look, I'm not going to be able to make this payment on this building this month, but I catch you next month. Okay, Mr. Jones. Okay, Mr. Kraft. Okay, Mr. This one, whoever the owner is of that particular team. Let a player say that. Okay, well, you got another 30 days, and after that we're going to start the process.

Ojo, I'm.

Just going to keep it a stack with you. You see, Ojo, there's something going on bigger at play here, and I don't know if the people are realizing it. Because you see what happened, if you go back and study our history, and I was a history major, so I'm pretty good and I feel very comfortable in what I'm about to say. You remember in the '60s, the government started giving us things. They gave us a little civil rights. They gave us a little voting rights act. They gave us a little fair how about it. Just a little bit, man. You remember in the '70 row, Roe v. Wade, they gave us abortion. This is the first generation that's starting to take that ish back, and people don't realize it. Look at it. Look at what they're starting to do. They gave and gave and gave. And then they said, You know what? Piece by piece, we'll start taking it back, just like we gave it to them, and they won't even notice it. You see, what people do, you don't steal... The thing is you don't steal 300 million. You steal a million at a time over a period of.

Time before.

They notice it. You see, they take a little bit by a little bit. You see, voting rights, okay, we're going to make it a little bit more difficult over here. You see, your civil rights. Yeah. You see? I'm not just talking about black people. I'm talking about anybody that want rights. You see how to take it? You see, Roe v. Wade. They've been pulling and pulling. They've been trying to get it since it was institute. I think it was '72. Roe v. Wade happened in '72, if I'm not mistaken. Don't quote me on that, but I feel pretty confident that it was. And boom, boom, '73. Slowly but surely. Slowly, but slowly. Next thing you know, you look up. So this generation, you better get on your grind now. Why are you out there? Why are youend up flawsing and doing all this crazy stuff, you better look up. You're going to look up and be like, damn, I ain't got...

Yeah. The funny thing about it, I think a lot of people don't pay attention to it. A lot of people don't pay attention to it because it hasn't affected them yet or it's not affecting them at all.

No. See, it takes a special type of person. You see.

It.

Takes a special type of person to have empathy, because empathy requires you to divorce yourself and see yourself as that person. Some things can only be seen through the eyes that have cried, Ocho. So if you can't see yourself as homeless, how can you feel home? How can you help? You see, that's why people will give to cancer, because they know someone that's been afflicted by that deadly disease. So it's easy to get on, okay, when someone that's been brutalized, well, you think Jared Jones can see somebody, his family being brutalized?

Look.

At when that flood in Texas, look at how much they interfere, how they raise that money. Jj White made $30 million. Bless his heart, he was unbelievable. One Walter Payton man of the year. Because you see, the flood can impact anybody. Water doesn't know if you're black or white. Let me stop. I'm sorry, Ocho. I'm sorry, Chad. No, you're good. I'm sorry that I'm good. You're good. I got off topic. Good? Tj L's worth asked, is there a quarterback in the upcoming draft that you're hoping your Broncos get or a free agent who you believe would fit the team better? Well, look, it doesn't matter what I think. I think Sean Payton thinks he can find someone that would fit the team better. That's what he thinks. They gave a lot of money, Ocho. They gave a lot of money. They gave a lot of power. I know they want to win.

Listen, I love Sean Payton. I don't see him as a quarterback whisperer, and I'm not sure what's out there that he think is going to change. Because if you think he was screaming at Russell Wilson two weeks ago or three weeks ago, half a long ago, it was, he's going to be.

Screaming some more. That's him.

That's his nature. He's going to be screaming. We're going.

To be screaming. Bill Parcell, Bill Parcell yelled at everybody. He yelled at Phil Sears, he yelled at Drew Blessoe, Tony Romo. He called Terry Glenn. She was hurt. I mean, you couldn't do that now. He wouldn't refer to Teo by his name. He said the.

Player- I remember that. I remember that. I remember that.

That was. You have to be careful when you learn because you exhibit a lot of that behavior. If you look at the guys that under Coach Belichick, all of them try to be like Coach Belichick, and only one coach that's ever been a coordinator under Coach Belichick has had success at really any level. That's nick Saban.

Yeah, you're right.

What.

Quarterback though? What quarterback would you say? The Broncos aren't picking high enough. The Broncos aren't.

Picking high enough. Uncle May said, We the Falcon fans don't want Russ, nor do we need? Future Cierra, Russ, Drum and our locker room. Man, you all wild with this man. I forgot all about that. I forgot all.

About that. I forgot all about that.

Oto, look, I don't know when the Broncos are going to draft. Look, the last thing I think they need to do is give up any more draft capital. Because here's the thing, Oto, when you give up that draft capital, you give up two first round picks. Oto, he got to make it. He got to make it because that's the foundation piece at the quarterback. That's the position that sets everybody back. That's the position.

They letting it go too early, though. What? Year two?

How long are you in a relationship before you realize it's time to break it off? Two days, two weeks, two months, two years. That's too long. Whatever the two is, if I know it ain't working is too long. Two minutes, two hours, two days, two weeks, two months, two years. It don't matter. If you know that's the problem. A lot of times people stay in situations when you know he or she ain't going to change.

Are they pulling the trigger too soon? Based on his numbers? Are they pulling the trigger too soon? His numbers are identical to Patrick Mahomes. Are they pulling.

The trigger too soon?

What do.

You think? Because here's the thing. A lot of people say it ain't Russ fault. They've always blamed the quarterback. You just said it in the jets, the jets office of the line isn't very good. Who they blame, Ocho?

Name.

A situation in which they... I mean, hey, I remember the same thing. Now, when Lamar receivers weren't very good, they blamed Lamar, even though he was stored to less than all-star caliber receivers. We put a lot of them up because if Mohons ain't playing, look, if Mohons were playing like he would normally play, maybe he'd be able to overcome some of the inadequacies that's going on the receiver court. So guess what? He got blamed again. That's just the way it is, Ojo. You make the most of the blame. Yeah, you're right. You get the blame. You get most of the blame.

Yeah.

I'm not saying it's right. You're right. I just understand how it works.

It comes with the territory.

It does. Because no matter what, Ojo, you can give a kid everything. If the kid doesn't turn out right, they're going to blame the parents. Give them everything.

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The Green Bay Packers said, What you did, your behavior is so egregious. We got to sit you down. We've got to set a precedent. We've got to let our rest of the other 51, excuse me, the other 45 and the practice squad, this type of behavior is never acceptable. Then the cavalry-ness of it, Ocho, did you know? Did you understand what he did? Do you understand what he did, Ocho?

Bring it to.

Me one more time. He was not a captain. He went on the field for the coin toss. They won the coin toss. The other team won the coin toss. He deferred. In other words, Carolina was going to get both possessions to start the game and start the second half. He thought it was cool. That's what the smugness and the cavalry-ness of it. I think I got that right. Am I correct? Is that what happened? Okay, yes.

That's how it went.

For real? Absolutely.

Yeah, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can't do that. But it makes me upset. You know why it makes me upset because the goddamn Packers are playing the Vikings. You know who plays for the Vikings? Justin Jefferson. Who the hell for the cover of Justin Jefferson? That's what I want to know, because I want to see that matchup. I want to see the matchup because Justin Jefferson has been hurty. Jair, Alexander and Justin Jefferson is a matchup that we would all want to see. But the fact that he suspended, it's unfortunate. What he did? Totally unacceptable. Totally unacceptable and I understand- Come on- -I.

Don't even have no idea. He's from Charlotte. I get all that. He's from Charlotte. But, bro, you play for the Packers.

Yeah, but even if you're from Charlotte, what is going on for the Cointasks? How does that doesn't.

Really- He wanted to give the... I guess he thought he was doing a solid for the Panthers.

I don't know. I don't know. I know one thing, that's that motherfucking boy, though, in man to man coverage. He's a great corner. A very, very good corner. Very good corner. You know what? Packers are out of playoff.

Contention, huh? They're absolutely not.

They can play off contention is sitting the best corner down?

Yes. Yes.

That's the president. They're setting the President. They sitting the President. They sitting the President. They ain't bullshit. Even if they don't win.

This is what we got to let everybody know. You see, punishment is just not for the individual that committed said act. It is to turn others for committing said act. That's what punishment.

Is to do. That's what punishment is to do. Right.

Punishment should be swift. It should be harsh. When we deduce the fact, when we get down to it, he or she did X. Let's not lie like that. What he did, great. I don't.

Accept him. I don't think they're going to be the same after this, who? I don't think he's going to.

Be there next year. Well, he tried to get out, clearly. Because didn't they suspend him last year? Didn't he have some... I think he had an issue with them last year, O'choh. Yeah, I think this has been going back and forth. I don't know if he wanted more money, but Jaier, Alexander has been having some issues with the package organization for a while now, if I'm not mistaken. Chat, you all chime in. Let me know if I'm right or wrong.

Yeah, anytime we get to this point, obviously, I understand they want to set a precedent. Anytime they get to the point of spinning one of their best, if not their the best corner on the team, and it gets to the point where we're going to suspend them. Even with our team being in playoff contention, especially with the game we have coming up, playing against, aregoing to be the best receiver in the NFL who just come back from injury, they're sending a message, not just suspending them for this game, but it's a different message. If you look at it from the other side of the corner.

I think, was he hurt or they said he was hurt or something. But Jahir, Alexander, and they've had issues with him before. I know I didn't miss. I'm not with.

Yeah.

Maybe it is. Was Jahir hurt or something and they wanted him to come back and he said he was hurt? I know he was.

Injured for a little bit this year. I know that. I know one thing. When he is healthy, that motherfucker.

I'm.

Talking about man to.

Man too. You remember last year that Justin Jefferson in Minnesota, he went crazy. And Jayer said, okay, he got to come see me. He got to come see me. And when he came to Lambo, it wasn't the same.

Yeah, different ball game.

Well, if I brought... We have a family.

I love matchups like that.

But I just...

Come on, Jayer. Come on to Cincinnati, boy.

I'm just trying to figure out why would you even put yourself in this? That, Elcho?

I don't know. You know, it's funny. Him not want to be... He might have did it on purpose. Oh, he did. What you mean he might have? He did. He might have did it on purpose.

He's from Charlotte.

You know what? Let me piss him off one more time before the season in, see if this can help me get out the door. Maybe. You never know. Because other ways he might have been trying behind closed doors ain't working. Yeah.

Look, like I said, he's one of the highest paid. Have he gotten a contract extension? Oh, yeah. I know he's one of the highest paid, and Green Bank has some talent. You think about Zedaria Smith, who's in Cleveland right now, played really well. Remember, Zed went to Minnesota, played well there. They still have Rashad Gary. They still have Preston Smith, or Jai Alexander. I mean, they had a very talent. Look.

Yeah, they just let Rasud.

Douglas go over their God damn Buffalo. But the thing was, the opportunity that they had when they had home field throughout and they had the championship game on their field and they had all those dogs and they didn't cash it in. And that opportunity don't knock but so often before it moves on to someone else's door to knock on. And when Green Bay had that opportunity, they had Devonte and they had some of those guys. And you look at what they had on the defensive side of football, and they couldn't close it out. Even after they got what? They get three interceptions from Tom braided, and they still didn't win that game.

They.

Didn't capitalize. I just hate that John here put himself in that situation. I really hate that. Look, Ocho, I believe that even if I don't like my job, there's something about being a pro and being a professional. Although they're spelled the same, they start off the same, but they're two different things. A professional is the occupation. A pro is who you are. They're two different things, Ocho. You see, Ocho, there's a saying that says change is inevitable. Growth is optional. Choose wisely.

Yeah, you're right. But listen, with the way they treat some of those that even act professional and do things like a pro, that business side can make you turn a blind eye. That's another saying too. I got that from my grandma.

Allegandro missed weeks three and four with a back injury, played through it in week five because he was facing his former teammate, Devante Adams, then missed week game seven against the Broncos with the same injury. In week nine, Alexander suffered a shoulder injury, diving to break up a pass and missed six consecutive games before returning sudden against the Panthers. However, he was never placed on injury Reserve during that span. He didn't play any games during that stretch. Not only that, Alexander didn't travel with the Packers to the week 14 game against the giants after making trips to Pittsburgh in Detroit, the first two road destinations after the shoulder injury. You see what's going on here, Ota? There's something going on.

Yeah, something going on. Yeah, something going on internally. That's why I say he did that on purpose.

He did it on purpose. I think is that we can see where this thing is headed. It started like, Ota, you know how a couple of them start sleeping in separate beds? That's not something that we talked about, that you start sleeping in separate beds. It's only a matter of time. It's only a matter of time.

He could come on to.

Cincinnati, boy. Now they're going to stop me from try to go up there and shake the covers up there. I just got you in another room. But now it get hard and hard for you, boy. Let me shake the covers for you.

Listen, if you all sleep in a separate bed, it's already over. Like you said, it's- Ain't no point in shaking the covers if you're sleeping in separate beds. For what?

I'm like, TLC. I ain't too proud to bed. What's wrong with you? You want to get out of my face. In the morning, in the evening, I ain't too proud to beg.

Hey, that ain't TLC's song. I think it is. No, that's SWV.

I.

Ain't too.

Proud to bed. Who say I ain't too proud to bed? That's Invoke. That's Invoke. I don't know who it is, but I know I-.

My music catalog all messed up.

Huh? I ain't too proud to bed. Temptation? The temptation? Hey, somebody in the chat, Jibbo, who say that? That is TLC.

It is TLC? I'm talking about SWV.

We like them too, O-chah. We like them too.

Yeah.

They're just... Look, remember Cameron Diaz said she wants to normalize sleeping in separate beds. Now look, if she's pregnant, I'm snoring, she can't get a good night's sleep. You know what I'm saying? Okay, I get that.

You understand. It makes sense.

I.

Think normalized sleeping in separate beds, I say maybe more so after argument. More so after argument, cooler heads prevail, go to separate rooms. You never go to bed angry. Never go to bed angry. Always find a way to.

Talk it out. I'm all a makeup guy. I'm a.

Makeup guy.

I ain't talk about the guy you put on your face. I'm a makeup type of guy. You ain't going to be bad at it. But clearly something on your mind you go somewhere else. I got you. Take this to bed with you. But you know what, Ojo? I think that's an older generation thing, because my grandmother and grandfather didn't sleep in the same bed. Because remember I told you I slept with my grandmother, my brother.

Slept with my grandmother.

I think that's an older generation thing. I know a lot of older people that their parents... When I said older, I'm talking about my age and their parents didn't sleep together. I think that's an older generation thing. I think now people automatically assume if you're sleeping in separate beds, there's something going on. My grandmother and grandfather, they have no issues, but they just sleep in separate beds. So to each...

Well, maybe we need to adapt to some of the older ways today. Maybe we'll eliminate some of the problems that we have in today's era in society, that maybe being up under each other 24/7 maybe is not a good thing.

Well, it wasn't over the 24/7 because that man was working. Normally, a lot of times my grandmother was right-sided, working too, or he was off and my grandmother was doing her thing. So it wasn't just 24-hour, and there were all these other options that were available also either one of them. Now, that's not to say that people didn't get around because they did. But the options that's available to this generation wasn't available to even my generation when I was coming up, and that damn show wasn't available to my mom and my grandparents generation. So things are a lot different now.

Much different. Much more difficult. Obviously, during this day and age and time that we're in now, one of the key things that you need for one, is discipline. Discipline, that's a key word. That's a key word in anything, especially in this day and age, because you have access, social media.

Over-exposure.

To anything. There will always be somebody finer. There will always be somebody with more money. There would always be someone with prettier feet. There will always be.

Someone with a better color. Man, why.

You keep going back to feet, man? Damn. I'm just throwing out all the different things that you would be able to find on here.

Why you can't say eyes? Why why you can't say lips? Why you can't say legs? Why you can't.

Say cat? They'll always be somebody with bigger lips, whatever. There'll always be someone with a bigger ass. I've been trying to hit on all the different characteristics depending on what people like. You got to have discipline to understand that if you're locked in, you got to be locked in. It's difficult for a lot of people. I do therapy. I do therapy.

You need to be in therapy with these feet.

No, a lot of people come to me to help them with some of the problems that they're having due to the overexposure of having issues with them trying to be on point. I've been guiding people in the right way. That's something.

That I'm proud of. You probably have Rev soaking up feet in vinegar. Have a pickle. Oh, Rev, pickle. Rev got a little pickle feet.

No vinegar, no vinegar. But I do send her to get the fish treatment pedicure, which is nice. The little fish.

All your feet.

Yeah.

What about that big fish when she get home to be knowing on him? You. Old, big, old, black, straight, bang, it's you. I'm not making sense. That's the fish.

I'm about to.

Wake up. Okay, I can see it in there. Lamar says the Ravens are underdog, isn't taking the bait. The Ravens can click the number one seed if they beat the Dolphins on Sunday. The Ravens are three and a half point favorite. When it was pointed out to Lamar that the Ravens are no longer the underdog, he said, We're the underdogs. We're the underdogs. No, it was just the team that this team is, the Ravens. We don't know about the Ravens. Now it's, Oh, they're the number one team. So we're not paying any mind to that. I feel like it's bait. That's click bait. Right. Well, Lamar, for the last six weeks, everybody said that you were the second best. You're the number one team in the AFC. You're the second best team in the NFL. You just went to the best team house, kicked up in the ass and came home.

I get it. Embarished them.

Let me tell you how we did it. I know that when I was in Denver, I know what we said publicly. Oh, that team is good. Oh, their defense is like this here. Their offense is so good. They got a lot of good players. Probably we're going to kick the ish out of them. That's what.

We said.

Definitely. The same in the Super Bowl. O-tro, we played the Packer. Oh, man, they got Brett Barb, MVP. Three times MVP. Back to back to back. Oh, they just won the Super Bowl last year. They got Reggie White, All-Pro. They got Leroy Butler. Oh, they got Brett. They got Antonio Freeman. They got Robert Brooks. They got Mark Tamara. We just hyping them up. We're going to kick the shit out of you.

Yeah. I think it's more frowned upon. I like players. I wish where there were, there are not very many that are keen on doing so, is giving teams believable material and telling people exactly how they feel instead of being politically correct. They need to bring that back. They need to bring back. Say what you really feel. I wish players would do that now?

Well, I think the player would.

It's the coach, is the decision. You see how Debo and Bradberg were going at it a little bit? Tell people how you really feel about somebody. If you don't think they're good, say it. It's okay. I enjoy the banter back and forth. I love it. I love it. I think we need more of that instead of every answer being- Politically correct. -descripted. Yeah, everybody. Yeah, man, just let's have some fun.

Before we head on to that, The Temptation did have a song, Ain't Too Proud to Beg in 1966, and TLC had a song, Ain't Too Proud to Beg in 1991.

Oh, so TLC, the rendition was the original. The rendition is The Temptations? Okay, I like that. I like that. I just learned something.

Yeah, I think the thing is that's the only time Mike has ever said anything about, Sheryla, just make sure, hey, I know you want to say this, but just do me this one solid. Don't say anything. Just pump them up. I think we're going to kick that. He said, I know it. He said, I know 84. I know it. So I'm pumping them up. Man, Leroy, he's the best strong safety in the game. Leroy Butler? If they put him on me, I'm going to be the Super Bowl MVP. That's what I'm thinking about. Say, No, I ain't going to lie to you. If they, they man, please. They said, well, what if Leroy? I said, boy, if they put Leroy Butler on me, man to man, and he covered me for the entire game, I empty my bank account and I leave the country and never come back.

See, that's.

The type of talk in your mind. They wouldn't dare.

Put a safe.

Field in me. That was my absolute pride.

I'm talking about A-Penx.

I'm talking about Xenith. I'm talking about Day Numar. I'm talking about the Crescendo. I'm talking about, I'm up here. Man, please.

Hey, you.

Said the Crescendo. Look here, Ojo. Man, they better stop with me, man. I want to be able to be playing with that. Right. Former Chiefs All-Pro returner, receiver calls out the homes and Kelsie for sport behavior. When you're screaming and yelling at your player, that permeates negativity. When you have what you have- It's passion. When you have what you have the first five years, that poker face, we know we're going to win at the end. That permeates positivity. Get back to being positive. It's like my little kids running around for Christmas. We got you Christmas tree full of presents, and you're acting like four brats. Yeah. What's your take on what Dante said?

The human joystick. I understand where Dante Hall is coming from. I understand where he's coming from. But, Dante Hall, you're not in their shoes. You're not putting in the work. You're not understanding the frustrations they're going through. You should understand it. You should understand why they're screaming. You should understand why Travis, Kelsey is upset. You should understand why Patrick Muhammad is upset. Have you seen what he's been having to deal with? I mean, it's common sense. So why even come out saying something like that? Because you understand the emotions and how it feels to go through practice and practice and practice and to go into games and have things not come into fruition the way you work on it.

It's tough.

It's frustrating. It really is. I know what that feels like, and Dante Hall should know what that feels like. I understand what he's saying, saying all the right things, but come on, man. Come on, man. You played the game. You know why he's screaming. You know why he's frustrated. At times it's passion. It's okay to show it. Don't bottle that shit up. Don't bottle it up. Let that shit out. It's okay.

Yeah, let that out. You know, Dante Hall was the first. I know, they get credit for it. He was the first to throw up the egg.

Guess what team he did against.

No, you all. Oh, he did. Oh, he did. They blocked us in the back, man. That was a bull job. You know it, too.

Nah, man. Wait, you didn't play with Al Wilson?

I didn't play with Al.

Well, that one hit my fucking head, man.

I left and then I came in '99. I left, and then I came back in '02, '03. So I played three years with Al.

Okay.

Okay. Now you talk about some moves?

Yeah.

Man, he was back. Daute?

Oh, yeah. It's a human joystick.

Yeah, he was a real deal. It was like, okay, when you press two buttons at the same time, whatever you get, you don't know where that man going to go. That's him. That's what he do. That's him.

You're right about that. He was a.

Real deal. Alabama jailer, Millrow, says former OC and current patriot's offensive coordinator, Bill O'Brien, told him he should not be a quarterback. He asked the reporter said, How would you feel if I told you you suck. Look where I am right now. So who gets the last laugh? Michael Eves treated... I like that. Michael Eves had a great tweet. What Bill O'Brien was really trying to say that he didn't know how to coach such a talent as Jayler Millrow, but instead of dressing his own shortcomings, Bill O'Brien tried to project them onto him, onto the player sometimes, some things that's been happening for decades, especially when it comes to black quarterbacks.

Yeah, most definitely. That's nothing new. It's always been that way. It's always been that way, and it will always continue to be that way. It will never change. Yes, sir.

You didn't have people that when you was growing up say you were going to be nothing. So what's different about this? Exactly.

My teacher, my teacher is at high school still to this day. I see him still to this day. I see him. Man, I love you. Man, what you told me back then, I really appreciate that. I really appreciate that because it lit a fire under my ass. I really like that. I don't see that as some see it as a negative. Some go into the dumps. Some, Oh, I feel bad. Or some, Oh, I feel bad, or some, don't look what he said about me. Me, mentally, I'm a little different.

You should look at here the thing. Nick Saban told Trayvon Diggs the exact same thing. Trayvon Diggs came to Alabama as a four-star wide receiver. He said, Son, I think you should move to DB. Trayvon Diggs is an all-pro-DB. Daddy is. We got to stop like, Oh, this. Oh, come on. Yes, I get it. But you all make it seem like only athletes get told that, I'm sure they're musicians, I'm sure they're actors, I'm sure they're entertainers, and all walks of life.

I.

Was told I'm not going to make it. I listened to the one person that told me that I was going to be something and I was going to make it, me. Because what you all had, you all couldn't run from me, you all couldn't catch from me, you all couldn't live for me, you all couldn't train for me. So how you can tell me what I can be when you not me. Yeah.

Those that do tell you, well, you can't do something, that should be all the motivation you need. Honestly, that shouldn't be a motivation. You should already be motivated to want to do something anyway. But hearing someone say you can do something should be that much more motivating to want to achieve and attain that goal, whatever it may be, and whatever respective craft that it is you do.

I like it.

Yeah, look- Tell me what I can do. Thank you.

I like it. Then when I do it-.

I like it.

Think about it, Ocho. See, my job is not to prove. See, Jaylin Mareau's job shouldn't be to prove him wrong. I'm to prove me right. Because all the people that told me along the way that, Oh, Shannon, you're great at high school, but where do you get to college? When I got to college, wait till you get to the NFL. All along the way, they got to watch me and say, Damn, he said that. Damn, he said he was going to do that. He said he was going to be this. He said he was going to be that. Why I won't listen to you what you say? When you got no... Here's the thing, O'Joe. You got no control on what I can or can't do.

Do, yeah.

The best thing about it, I'm not computer-generated, so you don't control anything. I control what I become. I know what God told me. I know what I prayed for. I didn't pray for you to have an opinion about me because your opinion don't matter about me. That's crazy. That's the thing. People get caught up what he said. I don't care. Hell, I had women that told me I ain't going to be nothing. Damn. Okay. Yeah, it's okay. So okay, watch.

Listen, but women are vicious, man. Everybody vicious. They don't like to see the process, but they love the finished product. Yeah, of course. They don't like the process, but they love the finished product.

When you're hurt, what wouldn't you say? What would you do? So you have to look at it from that, Okay, we're about to break up. I'm going to go my way. I'm going to go her your way. See, when you tell me that, what made you say that? Of all the things that you could have said? Because you know I'm going somewhere. You tried to put doubt in my mind. Yeah. Don't doubt me.

She's mad. She's mad. She's mad. She's mad. She's mad.

You can't contaminate my thoughts because what you say right now can't undo the 12, 15, 20 years that I thought that I knew I was going to become something. So one you uttering, I ain't going to be nothing. I ain't this, I ain't that. You ain't ish. No. Well, maybe I ain't what ish could have been doodoo, but I ain't with you no both. You know what I'm saying? I hit her with that. Right.

You.

All can't break me. I'm unbreakable.

You know what the bad part is? A lot of people are foal with those words. A lot of people are affected so much by words, especially in today's era, today's society. Oh, he said this, or she said that. What happened to sticks and stones may break my bones, but words don't. Everybody's so sensitive. They are. Like, Oh, my God, you can't say that. Oh, my God, what are you doing? Like, so what? It's just words. If it don't apply, let it motherfucking fly. Exactly. If it don't apply.

Let it fly. Because my thing is if Jayle-Laure believe what one man told him and it let him make creep doubt in his own mind, well, you weren't meant to do that anyway.

Well, maybe it worked, though, because look at him now. Maybe he use that as motivation or extra fuel because look at him now.

The play that he made against Auburn? Yeah. The plays that he made against number one Georgia, and to get his team in the college football playoff?

Yeah.

So young man, don't worry about what somebody tell you what you can't do. Believe what you told yourself you could do, and that's all that matters.

Yeah, that's it.

The Daily Hustle said, This has been the most passionate. Ocho, I've ever been with the honest critique. He finally gave in. Ocho, been on his thing today. He's been on his thing. Yeah, you've been on your ground today.

I've been me, though. I've been me.

He's saying, This is the most passionate of all children we've ever been and with honest critiques. That's what I've been trying to tell you, what you could be you.

I ain't been honest before. No?

Sometimes they feel you misrepresent the truth.

Oh, my bad.

Today is Denzel's 69th birthday. Is today-.

What.

You got?

That's my boy. Name? I got a story. Go ahead and.

Tell your story. What you got?

Ain't really no story. Nobody can say they got cursed out by Denzel Washington except me.

What did curse you out for?

Act in a fool. Act in a fool. When I was... The NFL team, acting disgruntled and we're trying to get out of Cincinnati. And the Redskins, they're all from Cincinnati, two first round picks. And the Bangles and Mike Brown was like, Uh-uh. You ain't finna set that precedent. Think all you got to do is act a fool and we're going to trade you up out of here. Man, sit your head back down. He was getting on me. We were sitting at the court side and had my son with me. Laceja was... I don't know how Laseige were about-.

Damn, mother. You look like you're 17. What year was this? Was the internet even available back then?

Don't do me like that.

Yeah, but- Joe.

What year was this? Cussed my ass out. I don't remember. Matter of fact, I got tickets from Kobe. Kobe got me a course of a seat because I wasn't paying for no course of a seat. Not back then. Shit. But that was a great experience, man. And being able to sit next to things and get my ass cussed out. My son don't know what's going on. He looking the wrong way.

Yeah, I'm looking at it. That looked like it's about 2009.

Yeah, okay, around then maybe 2008, 2009, because I remember I was in trouble. I was trying to get up out of there. We had just had a losing season, and I was trying to do things behind closed doors. Obviously, they always leak shit. Somebody always leaks some and they got the damn.

Side of the deal. Well, you can't keep them behind closed doors because you already been talking about you being on toes and elbows and all kinds of holes.

Yeah, ain't nothing wrong. Listen, we're going to get you on some toes now. We're going to get you on.

Some toes. I don't know who. Pig feet. I'm going to be on them. I'm going to find somebody.

Listen, if you can eat pig feet, if you can eat raccoon, soup, and all the other stuff, and if you can eat road kill and whatever else you be eating, you can suck at.

Some toes. But I'm just saying, Ojo, but you see you have to muscle with that. Ojo, can we work up to that?

There is no reason at our big age that we can't meet somebody on the first date and go all in. What are we waiting for?

What are we waiting for? Are we wrong? Excuse me. All my tongues to be the bill of the table.

Yes. I don't even play poker. I ain't even a gambler. You know how you... Were you all in? Or are.

You put all in? I'm saying, normally when they go all in, sometimes they try to bluff you off a hand. But a lot of times when they go all in, Ojo, they got it. They got the goods.

No, listen, life is short, and you never know when it's time to go. So whenever you have opportunity, you need to go all in.

Well, I need to see the flop. The flop is the first three cards, and hell, I might need to see the turn, which is the next card, and then the river is on.

The end. Okay, so you're speaking terminology that I don't understand. I was with you for a minute, but I don't gamble, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't know what you're talking about. I've known Denzel because his son used to train with my trainer, John David, when he went to Morehouse. I met him a couple of times. Then just this year when LeBron broke the record, he was at the game, and I got an opportunity to talk to him. Actually, I hadn't seen him personally since John David was a student at Morehouse. It was great to catch up with him. I got an opportunity to meet his wife, John David's mom, Pauletta. It was great talking to her and meeting her. Denzel, it's been great. Actually, they filmed the movie, Glory, in Savannah.

Hey, man.

Listen- That was his first role. He got best supporting actor, where Matthew Broderick was the lead.

When we talk about movies, and I don't think a lot of people in the chat have seen Glory, if you were to ask me the name, my favorite Denzel movies, Gloria has always been number one. It's always number one, because Denzel is one of the few actors a lot of people love to say he played the same character. We played the same character to you because you don't watch the rest of his movies. Glory, he had Range. John Q is completely different character from who he was in Glory. And then when he's in Fences, Fences is a completely.

Different.

Character from the person in John Q and Glory. That is the range in the Denzel that I've grown to love. And if you ask people, what's your favorite Denzel movie? They say the same stuff. They say Training Day.

Malcolm X.

They say Malcolm X. They say Man on Fire. He's a great method actor. He's one of the method actors. So him playing the role of somebody else is easy because it's art.

That's what he does. He gets in the character.

He gets in the character extremely well. When you watch Training Day, that's Denzel. If you sit down and talk with him, that's him. He's not even acting. He's just being himself. You would never understand until you actually meet him and sit down and have a conversation with him. There are a few people on Earth, and one of your good friends and one of my good friends is one of them as well, that can command the ear when they talk. Denzel is one of them. Ray Lewis is another one. Deion San is another one that can command the ear when they talk. I'm talking about it's captivating when they speak. The way they word things and the dialog, it's unbelievable in a sense. I don't even know. I don't know how to explain it. It's something about Ray, when Ray get to preaching or Ray get to talking to you, or Dionne get to talking to you. We talk about it in a serious manner. Not the Deion everybody on the chat got to see. I'm talking about something that got to do business or something that have to do with life or relationships or something like that.

It's unbelievable seeing them get.

In that mode.

Of.

Serious. Your top five movies with Inside Man. I love that movie with Clive Owens and- Oh, yeah, that's a good one. -jody Foster, Quote, Edge of Four, and Christopher Plumber. Oh, no, these are mine. I got my top five with Training Day, Malcolm X, Fences, Crimson Tide, Cry Freedom. I don't know if you remember Cry Freedom.

You should did your top 10. Okay, we're here.

I got Inside Man, Devil and Blue Dress, Harlem Nights, Man on Fire. Look, I love American gangster. I love Dejavous. I mean, look, it's so hard. Hurricane, it is just so hard.

Oh, Rubikada.

Rubikada, that's a good one. Yeah, it's just so hard because he plays the role so well. A flight, a soldier story.

Yeah, a soldier story. That's old school. Pelic and Breed. Listen, Pelic and Breed? All right, my top 10, obviously number one is glory. Two and John Q. Three is Fences. Four for me is Preach's wife. Then I'm going Malcolm X, man on fire. Remember the goddamn tide.

I can die with that.

Inside man. Then I got flight, then I have training day.

We didn't mention American gangster. Think about it.

But that's Denzel. That's him. He didn't have to do much. He's in character. He's betraying Frank Lucas, but is still Denzel. I don't know how to explain it.

Moe Better Blue. Moe Better.

Blue is a good boy.

People don't remember him. Really? That's the only movie I can remember. He played Devil in Blue Dress, which was a comedy with the... What's the guy's name? Miles... What's the black guy's name? He from Denver. He went to Denver East High School. What's the actor in Devil in Blue Dress? That's my guy. Don Cheato. Don Cheato is my man. I could think of a baby. He's from Denver. I used to see him all the time. Went to Denver East High School, man. But then it just goes to show you, Denzel, how long he's been great. It shows you how long he's been great. Not good, great. Great. Great. And so like I said, I've seen just about everything that Philadelphia. I don't know if you remember the Philadelphia with Tom Hank.

Yeah.

Philadelphia was good. Tom Hank is another one that gotchange. I mean, big and flat. Oh, man, Philadelphia with him and Road to Predition, Forrest Gump.

Man, listen, those are some of my favorite actors. When we talk about Reigns, Tom Hanks, obviously Denzel. Remember, you know.

Edmund Nor- Yeah, Edmund Nor, yeah.

Primal Fear. Edmund Nor from Primal Fear.

What was that movie he was in? Where he was a gangster. They had all them tattoos.

Emergency X. Man, that was a good one. That was a good one. What about... God, Lee, it's slipping my mind. Mcavoid, James McAvoid. Do you saw Split?

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Man, dude. Crazy.

Another guy that doesn't get the credit for the range on his past, Robin Williams. Who? Robin Williams had crazy range.

That was a real deal. He was a real deal.

Yeah, look, I love him. I love Samuel Jackson.

From Ms. Doutfire, the Pippen- From.

Samuel Jackson, when he was a member of Samuel Jackson was holding up McDonalds. He was sweeping the floor. From the time he was gator, he was hit hard star war.

What's the one where he was the teacher?

Coach Carter.

A professor? No, no, no. You're talking about Samuel Jackson. I was talking about Robb...

What was the movie? You were talking about... He was Mr. Who is it? Not Down Fire. I know exactly what you're talking about.

It was more of a serious movie. I know he was a professor. I can't remember the name of it. What was that?

I can't think of it. I know exactly what you're talking about. But man, Ojo, you have 20 minutes for $100 million to survive what? You got to survive a bear, a tiger, a croc, or hippo. Which one you take it?

We all dead.

You're crazy.

Come on, man. For one, hippo.

First of all, the hippo are the most dangerous there because they kill more people in Africa than any other.

In Africa than any other territorialist?

Yeah, the.

Territorial is death. That's why you said. That's the first thing I named, and I said.

You're not surviving. That's what Robin We was in, Dead Poole Society. Somebody just put it up in.

The chat. Dead Poole Society. That's it. That's it.

All right, number two- That was great too.

-what was the three animals? You got a bear.

A tiger, a croc, or hippo?

Oh, well, croc would be the best bet. Thank you.

I got it. Croc will.

Be the best bet. I got it, Mojo. I had to hear it.

I just got to get him on his back. All I got to do... Hey, see, all of his pressure is doing this.

Yeah.

And the jaws. Once I keep his mouth closed, I got it. Flip it on his back.

Wait, hold on. Do you know how strong?

Do you know how strong? For 100 mil?

Man, you're going to get to feel hurt, man. You're going to have a missing arm. I'm going to.

Have a missing leg. I'm going to have Gator tail for lunch. I'm going to have.

Gator tail. You're going to have 100 mil with one arm.

I got this.

Please don't underestimate me.

He don't.

Estimate me.

I'm going to have Gator tail and I'm going to have me some fresh boots.

We talk about animals. I don't have an animal. We talk about animals.

You do realize the most dangerous animal ever created as a man. They cause more destruction than any animal ever.

Yes. When we are equipped to destroy everything else.

But you're not equipped. All the rasts and mosquitoes have caused more destruction. I'm taking my chance with the crop. Give me the crop. Give me the crop.

No, you're not going to make it. There are so many different variables are coming to play. The size of the crock, are you in water or you're laying?

I'm not going to go laying. I got them, Ocho.

Do you know how long? 20 minutes is?

I don't know. Once I get them on the back, I must say, I'm going to get him on his back.

How are you going to get him on his back? What?

Don't worry about it. I can't tell you because they might put you to it and then you'd get my 100 million. I ain't telling you. But you will see. You'll see. I got it, Mojo.

Hey, you sound like the dude's on Twitter talk about, Oh, if it was me and a guerrilla, you better help the guerrilla because I can whip a guerrilla. Not understanding the strength and power that.

These animals possess. First of all, achimpane Z is 2-3 times. The champagne Z is 2-3 times as strong as the average man. A silverback is eight times.

Time, yeah. I don't think people understand it. They just look at videos and thinking like-.

That's just all muscle. Do you see?

All muscle.

Man, I don't want no part of the silverback. I don't want no part of the silverback. I won't want no part of no grizzly bear. I don't want no part of no grizzly bear. I don't want no part of no tiger, because you have to understand what they can take down. I mean, even the crocadow, crocadow is less dangerous. Now we're talking about in the habitat. I feel comfortable walking on the ground than I do. The hippo is just as dangerous anywhere.

Man. And land or water. I don't want no.

Part of that. A bear and tiger, they're just as dangerous on either. Land or water. All pork can kill you on the land. But I like my chances better against the crocadow on the land as opposed to any of these other animals on land. You got no chance with the hippo, the bear. Plus, like you said, how big is the space? Because you got no chance against a tiger or I don't give a damn how big the space is, because once it sees you.

It's a rat. Think about this. You ever had cats before? No. Have you ever seen a cat's reflexes? Just a regular, domesticated cat. You've seen the reflexes? Now imagine the reflexes of a lion or tiger.

Ojo, you could take a cat- It's even worse. -you could take a cat and hold his by his legs, and you got him. He's this far, and you drop him, then you're laying on his feet. Lay on his feet.

Crazy.

That's why they say, oh, he got cat-like reflexes.

They.

Don't say any of them. They don't say any other animal. They say cat-like.

Yeah, that's what they say back then off.

Their line of tremix. Jose Cardoza said, Unconocho, love the show. What's your guy? Top five actors or actresses?

Top five?

I got to go. For me, I'm going with the actors and actresses that I've seen. So I can't go Bogart and I can't go Brando, because the only thing I've ever seen a Marley... I'm talking about... I've seen the, what do you call them? Godfather movies. But the last movie that I actually saw him that Magda was the island of Dr. Mouro, and it wasn't very good. So anybody that saw Brando in his last movie role, the island of Dr. Mouro, it wasn't very good. He had gotten let himself get out of shape. But I'm going to go with... I've seen in my time, I like Denzel, I like Tom Hanks, I like Robin Williams, I like Daniel De Lewis. Hey, that's my guy. I go Sam Jackson for me. Women, I'm going to go Viola Davis. I'm going to go...

That's a good one. I'm going to go...

What's the... Viola Davis, one for me. What's that lady's name? She's been... Michelle. Not Michelle. What's the other one's name? Meryl Street. Go on Meryl. Oh, yeah. Yeah, go on Meryl. I'm going, oh. Jodi Foster.

What's she got? Good one. Good one.

Many women is not nearly as easy. It's hard for women.

It's harder.

All right, I forgot one of the guys that I really liked, Anthony Hopkins.

Oh, yeah, Anthony is good. Really good.

Oh, man, I can't do lower hemorrhage, Ojo. Women, women, women. Come on now.

It's difficult.

You know what? You know who I like, Ojo? Octavia Spencer. Who's that?

I.

Love Octavia. I love Yeah, you.

Know what? I like Octavia. Octavia is really good.

I was going to be snob, but I ain't going to say nothing about that man. Why? I take Angela Bassett.

Very nice. It's Tina Turner. She plays some good roles, especially in Wait N'Axel, when she burnt...

Yeah.

She played some good roles. Well, my five favorite actors for me, obviously number one for me is Daniel Day Lewis. I've said that many of times. Those in the chat, you know Christophe Walts? Please tell me who Christophe Walts is. If you don't, please Google him. Denzel Washington, of course. Daniel Day Lewis. Now like-.

You can't have Daniel Day Lewis twice.

I said him already?

Yeah, that was the first one.

Okay, my bad. Edward Norton and James McAvoy. I know everybody in the chat, I know you know who James McAvoie is. He's the real MFF deal. The real deal. As far as women go, Mery Street is my first. My second would be Claire Danes. I'm sure some of you that have seen the movie Temple Grandon. Claire Danes is the real deal. I forgot the sitcom she was on as well.

Number three for Leigh-You like Christopher Walls and the glorious, bustard, and the jangle, huh?

Yes.

Sir.

Yes, sir.

He's amazing. He's great.

Yeah, very good actor. And The Hateful late. I don't know if you saw The Hateful Late. Christophe Walls is that hateful late too, with Samuel Jackson. Very good movie. God, Lee, women is hard. I got to go with Angela Bassett as well. Charlda Johansson.

Julia Roberts. Julia is unbelievable. But I don't think people don't realize. I think for me, Jody Foster doesn't get the credit that she deserves because she was nominated for a award, I think at like 14, and then in, Silas of the Lambs.

Yeah, Anthony Hopkins.

Man, that's Clarice Starlet.

Clairice. Oh, what about... It's so many. I got to go with Ms. Viola Davis as well. Oh, no. Oh, snap. What about Namdy? Namdy's wife?

Okay, in Washington?

Yeah. She's good. She's good. Good. I think the roles that they get aren't as prominent as the Claire Danes and the.

Meryl Street. But I think what has happened now that we see Meryl Street, we already think, okay, that role is just Oscar. So we don't... Like I said, a lot of these... Every role is not, but it's just something about Meryl because she's been nominated so many times. It's like they give such an outstanding performance, we just... Even though the role might not have been meant for an Oscar, they give you Oscar-worthy performances.

Oscar-worthy? Yeah, most definitely.

You know my booth thing, or Regina Hall.

Yeah. Oh, that's your booth thing then? Let me know if you want me to put a word in for you. No, I wouldn't put.

Nothing in. Regina King is another one? Yeah.

Yeah, Regina King. That's a good one.

That's a good one. People as Pam Greer. Patrick Willery asked, Would you entertain the idea of going on Bear Grills and Ocho? Would you go on Hot Ones? And Ocho, that's a lot of money for the swear jar tonight. Yeah, you don't have some money. You don't have a lot of money for that.

Wait, money for what?

I don't curse words.

I ain't even curse tonight. What are.

You talking about? They didn't keep account. I ain't been keeping count. They even keep account.

I guarantee you I ain't curse more than twice.

Don't worry about it. Put it in the jar.

That's only $10.

People got Sidney, Portia, You know what? Who we left off?

Sidney Portia was.

The real deal. You know who we left off? Hillary Swank.

Man, what you know about.

Hillary Swank, man? Million dollar baby. But our first Oscar came for Boys Don't Cry about Brandon Tina.

I didn't see that one. I remember me and the baby, I.

Told him, You got to see it, O-Joh. You got.

To see. Wait, what's the.

First one called?

Boys Don't Cry. What's the name of it?

You got to see this movie. You got to see this. Boys Don't Cry.

Wait.

Was Hilaris-Gwank?

Baby, you seen the movie Boys Don't Cry before? Okay, she ain't saying that you gave her something to watch.

Man, it's based on a true story.

Wait, do I need tissue?

You're going to need tissue at the end.

You're.

Going to need tissue at.

The end. You know I get emotional now. You can't be behind me.

Yeah, you're going to cry. You're going to cry then. Like I said, it's a true story. Right.

Yo.

What about Sandra Bullett? I like Sandra Bullett. I like Sandra Bullett. Yeah. Sandra Bullett. Yeah.

Sandra Bullett. I'm trying to think who else. Yo, what about Monique?

Would you put Monique in this category? But she wasn't in enough roles. But when she played that role, she came down. Right.

Which one? Precious. Precious? Oh, man. That was a performance.

Yeah.

That was a performance. That's acting.

Yeah, that was acting. Jane Fonda, but Jane, I mean, she had some roles, I think, nine to five with Lily Tomlin and all those, but she was a little bit before my time. Like I said, I'm staring to my era that I remember going to see and watching them, although I'm a little bit older than you. Yeah.

Angelina.

Michelle Pfeifer, Angelina Jolie. You know.

Who we got? Sharon Stone. No. Sharon Stone.

Charlene Stone and Monster. When she played Ali Warrenov. Yeah. Big Ali didn't play the drum. Big Ali didn't play it.

She.

Put that 22 on him. She put that thing on him. A lion's ass. That was a classic. A lion's ass. That was a classic. That was the right name because she was a monster. Yeah, yeah, man.

Oh, damn.

What about Holly? Meg Ryan.

Tarrolly Piansen. Nice. Meg Ryan. Well, shit. We're Meg Ryan. We should have went goddamn Charlie's Angels.

Cameron Diaz. Hell, Lucy Liu.

No, I'm loose to she ain't been enough, old Joe. Sallyfield, yeah.

Sallyfield, cool.

I can go throwback. We forgot O'Far's wife. Last King of Scotland. The last King of Scotland. E. D.

I. B. That was a good one. I can go go back. The last king of Scotland.

The EDRB.

The EDRB. That was a good one. I can go.

Back too. You know who we forgot? Who? Al Mofo Pacino.

If we go to Al Pacino, we might have to go Robert De Niro too.

Yes. We ain't put Leo in there. Leonardo DiCapio.

Oh, shit. Now you don't got my memory. You don't got my memory.

But see here's the thing, though, O'Joh. When you limited the five, now... Now you're talking about... We just limited the five of people that we watched. Man, we ain't put Humphrey Bolgar. We ain't putting none of those... James Cagney, Jimmy Stewart, short. What are you putting none of them.

Man, listen, I can go back further. I can go back to the Etha Waters, the Lena Horne, cab Kalloway, Fats Domino. Man, don't maybe open it up. You ever saw a green pasture?

I did not.

Stormy weather? Nope. Cabin in the sky?

I know about a ribbon in the sky.

Tell one of them. These are old school movies. This is what my grandma had me watching. Stormy weather, Wilina Horne, Cabin in the Sky, I think Etha Water's in a...

Neither one of them mentioned Tom Cruise.

Oh, shit.

I forgot all about Tom. Jamie Fong.

Jamie is a ranger, boy. Jamie is a ranger.

Jamie is a ranger. Yeah. Edris Alba, Morgan Freeman. We got to go.

We- We got to go. We- We got in a shawshake redemption. Wait, listen.

We'll be all day. We'll be all day because- Matthew, I'm you La Barca man, but I just ordered a bottle of La Portier by Shay just to support you. Matthew, I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Now, when you get your bottle and you taste it, I need you to jump back in the chat and let me know what you honestly think. Upper King 8, background looking better. O'tro success. Nothing less. Nightcap crew worldwide.

But it's about my background over my camera. I finally got my camera fixed. I like to apologize for those that have been watching me sometimes, and sometimes my camera ain't right. It's a little cloudy. Listen, I tried to get the cheapest camera possible. As you can see tonight, everything is HD, 4k, 1080p or whatever. I don't understand all that technology shit, but I look good and I ain't got no haircut, but I look good. That's all that matters.

No place, underscore like home, underscore homes donated50,000 says, I super support the channel. Just took a shot of Laporte while smoking a Bomb Vita. I appreciate the support. I'm sure, Ocho appreciate... Is that your cigar? Bomb Vita?

No, Boy Vita. Yeah, the good life. Yeah, that's my line.

Appreciate the support. Now, he's the one to ask a question. Devin Hester, the King of the Return specialist, Deion Sanders, prime time of The Human Joystick, Dante Hall. Has NFL players who you picking? Well, look, David Hester.

The greatest return ever. David Hester. He the.

Greatest return ever. Now, as far as just like shake you up, ain't nobody touching Dante Hall. Dante Hall was what Barry Sanders was to run it.

Back- Barry Sanders had the kick return game.

He put that as a kick return, the ball return. Right. Normally you don't teach a returner to do all that herky-jerky, just like hit the hole. But man, that joke of their man. He put a lot of people.

On the dirt. Dante Hall, he made moves with a purpose. He wasn't making moves just to make a move. He making moves to go north and to go north. He might got to go east and west, but he making the moves east and west to get north.

Harry donated $100. I'm putting $100 on the Browns, Lions, Super Bowl. What's up, Uncle Norte.

Wait, Super Bowl? What you playing mad?

That man say he tried to retire from work because $100 on them getting to the Super Bowl and one of them winning it. That's going to pay him some big bucks and no whammies.

A lot of money.

Forgot about Eric Madcap with a great return of mail from gray. Who else we got? Pimp and sneaks. Please answer my question. How do you guys feel about fans coming up to players out in public when you're with your family? I'm a huge fan of you guys on and off the field.

I love it. If anybody is in the chat, I'm sure it is, that have met me before. I apologize for invading your space. People walk up to me. I told you before we talked about it before, man, I act like I'd have known people 30 years. I just got out of jail. I'm hugging it. Man, trying to still shake my hand, man. Bring your ass in here, man. It's weird and it throws people off sometimes because I always greet everybody with a I love you and a hug. We sit there, whole conversation like I'd have known they asked.

All my life. Before I answer that my part of the question, please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. You can subscribe to Nightcast feed and the Nightcast podcast. You can also get it through the Club Shay-Shay feed. Just do us a favor. Make sure you subscribe to Nightcast. We've also pin Shay by La Portia at the top of the chat. The holidays right around the corner, New Year's, Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, President's Day. Whatever you want to celebrate, La Portia is the drink that you can celebrate with. Back to the question. Let me find that. Okay, they're asking coming up. Look, the only thing that I hate is that when people come up say, Hey, you're going to take a picture with me or sign this autogram.

Damn, like that?

Thank you. No, bro, can you ask?

That was aggressive.

That's how people come up. I'm like, Hey, take a picture with me or sign the autogram. Oh, you're going to sign an autogram for me. Oh, you really think so? Please, hey, I want to call. Let me call my husband. Let me call this man. I don't want to be on you. I don't want to be on FaceTime. How about we just take a picture together?

Right. I accept. Maybe I'm a little different because I'm not in public much. But when I am, man, I'm all in. I'm FaceTime and people acting like, man, where are you at? We are here having fun. You sitting at fucking home and shit. Because it's very seldom that I'm out. So when I am, I'd be ready for whatever.

Okay. Hey, Jack said, Hey, Uncle Ocho, love the show here since day one. Can you please wish my girl a happy birthday, Whitney? I wish Ocho could sing. Whitney, hey, Jack. I don't know what his real name is, but that's his hug. We can't say. No, we can't say. Whitney, he wanted to wish you a happy birthday. We want to wish you a happy birthday. Happy birthday. Hopefully you enjoyed this day or if it's tomorrow, enjoy the day and many more to come. So happy birthday, Whitney.

Happy birthday, Whitney. Turn up.

Marvin Bracey Williams Jr. Donated and he's asking, I appreciate you all giving tracking. I thought that was you, Marvin.

Tell Marvin, stop being scared to race me, man. I didn't smoke you.

I appreciate you all giving track and field some love on the podcast. No, bro, we know... Hey, look, that's my favorite sport to watch. I know the 400 meters... I'm a meter. I liked the 400, anything 400, 200 meters, the 1500, I like that. I like that too. But I just love track and field. I love the competition.

Yeah, I love track. Obviously, my daughter is at university right now. You ain't.

Running track, though. Ojo Cico, you ain't no hour. You can't turn your head all.

The way around. Hold on. I'd beat Marvin racing in the 100, though. Ask him in the chat. Ask him what happened when we raced at Park in Miami. Blue right by him. He didn't know I was that fast. Hold on. Ask Fred Curly what I did to him.

Oh, Joe. You see, the difference between them, see, like four three is fast for us. I'm not.

For three, I'm.

For one.

I ran for one. I ain't run no four three. I ran four one.

I mean, them guys, if they run four three flat, they're going to be disappointed.

Oh.

Yeah.

Listen, the 40-yard dance for them boys is they drive phase.

After 40. Yeah.

They might run three, nine, four flat seven.

Easy.

With a good start. Easy. Marvin, I love you, baby. Hope everything is good. Maybe don't pass soon.

Appreciate it, man. Get help. Hopefully, you have a great year. How you don't have Dan Campbell coach of the year when the Lines have been bad since I've been alive 30 years without a vision. One pride. You're right. Dan Campbell has been unbelievable. When he came in there, he said, We're going to bite off kneecaps. We kick it ass and take a name. Here they are, top of the NFC North. Congratulations. They've been bad a long time. They've had some good players. Good players. I most of them remember when they drafted Billy Sims, who went to Highman, Nebraska. Excuse me, Oklahoma. I'm sorry. Barry also wore that number. A good friend of mine, Jayball with a nose tackle, who did? Robert Porshay with the South Carolina State. They've had some obviously, Megatron and Matthew Stafford. I have a good friend of mine who's in the Hall of Fame, Liam Barney. He wore 20. It's just something about that 20. Unfortunately, nobody is going to be able to get it now because Liam Ward, Billy Sims wore, and Barry Ward, they've taken it out of circulation now. But yeah, obviously, Dan Campbell deserves some Coach of the Year and he might win it.

I mean, it's going to be hard. I mean, you look at this, you have an outside chance of getting home field throughout the playoffs. I think that would go a long way. Marvin said, Ojo, you lying. He said, You don't want no smoke. Beat the brakes. Herman Moore. Herman, you're younger than me.

Herman. Remember Johnny Boy?

Yeah. They had a... What's the guy's name? Oh, man. Perman. Brett Perman.

Oh, Brett Perman.

Yeah. Marvin said, Oh, Joe, you don't want no smoke. You don't want no smoke.

Man, listen, man. Marvin don't want to do that with me, man. Listen, I give Marvin five, 10-meter Head Start. They what? A mile? I'm like that. No, in the 60. In the 60 out of 100.

Them guys get out too good, Ojo. You ain't.

Spying nothing. I told you none of them get out the way I get out. Check this out. I told you none of them get out. I do block work with these boys. Listen to me. I do block work with them. They come to me. They ask me, boy, how you transition like that out the blocks.

I'm.

Telling.

Them. Check this out.

What's.

That? The top guys won't give any of the other guys a five-meter head start and nothing. A five-yard head start is nothing.

So what that takes about me.

If I'm willing to do it? That's how close it is. Because a 10th of a second.

Yeah. That's what I'm trying to get you to realize.

I'm.

Willing to get my five meters. That's how.

Good I am. Oh, my boy, Low Brown. Somebody picture that of a boy, Low Brown. Low Brown with a left tackle for the- Low? Yeah, I.

Know, Low.

Man, Wilson. I just ordered my third bottle of shake. Absolutely love it. Can I get a discount code? You know what? We're going to put one in there. We're going to get you a discount code.

Third is good. Third is good.

I'm not going to lie to you, Ocho. I won't lie.

All right. Well, when we hit that million subs, I'm going to take me a drink.

Matter of.

Fact, I'm going to drink the whole bottle too, straight to the head.

Baby. Baby. Baby.

She said.

She's asleep. She always asleep.

Chris from Vegas, I'm about to turn 40 for the first time in my life. Well, I hope so. Hell, I don't know anybody else to turn 40 twice, but okay, I get where you're going. I'm starting to stare at my mortality in the face. Anybody? Bro, you 40.

If you're in Vegas, hit the Bunny Ranch.

Bro, you 40. You know something we don't know?

Boy, if you live in Vegas, do stuff you never done before like I did. I went to Vegas and I tried out for the Chippendales.

I'm thinking about doing something I never done, but it don't involve no toes. That's for sure. Yeah, I might do something. I might do something or do something. I got plenty time. I like that. Yeah, but, Chris, you don't need to be talking like that, bro. You're 40 years old. I mean, you talk about staying in mortality. Mortality.

Listen, man, you hit 40, man. That big 40, you got to do stuff you never done before. You're in Vegas too?

I would do that at 25, 30. Hell, I ain't wait till I'm 40.

Right? Well, maybe he's living different. Maybe he's living different. You're taking life slow.

I already told you, Ocho, good times. My granddad used to say all the time, Good times, they go, That boy, nothing. He's right. You only live once. Do it right. That's all you should want.

Well, you know what? You need to start.

Doing it right. I can't do it wrong. I don't know how to do it wrong.

Yeah, but you're saying if you ain't stuck in those toes.

And licking them back- You're doing too much.

You better.

Put a cocktail gravy on it. You won't be-.

You don't need all that. All you need is some whipped cream for behind and some toast as long as you fine.

I'm good.

I'm pissed. Yeah, you heard me right. All you need is some whipped cream for behind and some toast as you fine. That's it. You don't need nothing else.

I need something else. I might need to drink that whole bottle. Of what? That's behind me. Okay. Eric Hall says, I'm upset with you. You only call out certain day ones. I've been rocking with you since CBS. I'm a truck driver. Eric, I appreciate that, bro. You know what? If I'm not mistaken, I think I used to follow me. I think I responded to you a couple of times on Twitter. I'm almost certain because this name sounds very familiar and the way it's felt. I'm almost certain I responded to you. I appreciate the support. That goes back because I started at CBS in 2004. If you've been rocking with Unk way back then, man, I greatly appreciate that. What else we got, Ash? What you got, Ojo? Anything else? Hold up. Hold up before you go. Please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We're now, let's see where we are, 568, right, Ash?

Let's.

Sing a song anyway. No, you do realize that's copyright infringement. No, we're not doing that.

Well, let's sing my song.

How many? Okay. We're 30 away from 569,000 subs. I was hoping we could get to 570 before we got off here. We're going to stay on just a little while longer, hopefully. Hey, tell your friends, tell your wife, your mom, any friends, any cousins, any coworkers, go hit that subscribe button and jump on here with a Unca Nocho, Nightcap Unca Nocho. Please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Thank you. You can subscribe to the feed through the Nightcap feed or the Club Chey Chey feed. Either one is fine, but the Nightcap, we do have our own podcast feed. We've also pinned the link by a Chey by Leportee at the top of the chat. Holiday, New Year's, Valentine's Day, President's Day, St. Patrick's Day, right around the corner. You can go get your bottle for you or someone that you love. We're at 5:69 now. For recap, the Browns beat the Jets 37-20, really wasn't that close of a game. We discussed Russell Wilson getting benched. Seemed like the Broncos are ready to move on, and they benched Russell to make sure he doesn't get hurt, and they're not on the hook for any more money.

The Packers suspend Jahir Alexander for doing something what they deem conduct detrimental to the team. What else we got, Ocho? Lamar says he's not taking the bait that the Bravers are underdog, and they're going to approach it like that for the rest of the season.

That's going to be a very good game.

Oh, it's going.

To be a great game. We didn't touch on that enough. That's going to be a very good game. As good as the Dolphins offense is, as good assame thing we thought about Mike Florio was he said, Oh, the 49s are going to kick the- The Ravens. The 49s are going to kick the Ravens. You know what? Well, you saw what happened, right?

You were talking about don't do that. You got to play this game.

Yeah, like, hey, Tours is going to have to play outstanding football.

The last time they played two or three for 4:47. They came from behind by 14. I think Tyreke had a boss today, Taylor. Waddle, Elamons today. They played a lot of man coverage.

Yeah. What's them? Then the Bunny Rabbit.

Am I right? Maybe. I don't know.

I don't wear them. I don't wear Jordans.

For nominal fee, I sell them to you, Ocho.

I don't wear them. Let me say what shoes you need to wear. Hold on.

Oh, they got the thing in the tongue. They made 2,059 pair. This is number four. This is my first time saying this. This is a 457. Oh, man, that's no stand by the grill, 3,000. That's those grilling at 3,000.

And these are my little toga slabs. These are my little toga slabs. You got to get you some of these.

Man-.

You won't go.

To get them? What you got them? I mean, hold on. They got a buckle and they slide. Right.

Yeah, these are my little slide. My little togas slide, like when I want to be fashionable. You don't like these? No.

I sure hope you got some Vaseline for those heels.

Oh, yeah. Listen, I get a pedicure, a manicure every Friday.

Don't do that. Yeah, that's too...

Every Friday. I don't listen. I can't be the way I am about a woman's upkeep and maintenance when it comes to her hands and feet and don't have mine together.

I'd be on point. That's those grill of 3,000, those fours. Okay.

I get you a pill. You want a pill?

No, I'm good. I'm a hold off. I'm a hold off. You're 13, right? I'm a hold off on those. I'm a hold off on those for the time being, but I really.

Appreciate that. That's fashion, man. You could wear them on first thing.

Oh, no. So again, make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. We're now officially at 568,000. Make sure you subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. You can get it also in the club, Shay-Shay. But Nightcap, we do have our own personal podcast feed. So thank you for subscribing. We've also pinned Shay by Leportee at the top. You can go ahead and get yourself a bottle or somewhat a bottle that you love. For Valentine's Day, you've got New Year's, President's Day, and St. Patrick's, so greatly appreciate the support. We greatly appreciate the support that you've given us over a very short period of time. We're the number one, Nightcap is the number one basketball podcast on Apple, and we're the number two sports podcast, Apple and Spotify, Nightcap on Kenocho. That's all because of you guys, whether you subscribe, you download it, or you watch us. We greatly appreciate the support that you've given us in a very short period of time. I thank you for the support that you've given me with Club Shay-Shay for three years that we've had that page up. But I promise you, next Wednesday, I got a banger coming.

I got a banger coming, and I'm telling you right now, I promise you you're going to listen, and you're going to listen, and you're going to listen. I got a banger coming. I'm coming out the game in 20... Listen, I promise you, and I don't like to make promises because promises like pie crust and thin and needly broken. The first month, I'm committed to giving you all nothing but heat. Now listen to me now. Listen. Oh, Ocho, what I tell him? If I tell you a duck, smoke, cigarettes, check his wing, he got a pack up under that. Now I'm telling you next Wednesday, I'm coming. I'm coming. I got somebody that you all want to hear. He went, listen, I had to rap it, Ocho. I had to rap him. We went about two and a half hours. I wrapped it. I had enough... I wrapped... He started. He started. He went 30 minutes before I could even ask him a question. He coming. I'm coming. The whole month of January, I'm coming. Tune in, I promise you. You will not want to miss Club Shay-Shay next week and beyond. I promise you that.

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