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536,000 subscribers. Ojo, let's go. That's crazy, man. That's crazy when you think about it. We had what, maybe three months?

Three months. A little over three months. About three months?

536,000? Yeah. Think about that. That's amazing.

Yeah, actually, we started the channel October the eighth. We've been going, but we didn't have a channel. We officially started the channel October the eighth, so November, December. We're a little less than three months. Actually, we're about another two weeks away from three months.

That's crazy. You know how hard it is? Obviously, I'm just learning about YouTube and all this stuff. People always talk to me about how difficult it is to build a following.

For.

Us to be able to build a following this fast at the rate we're going, man, ain't no telling where are we going to be at in another three months.

The thing is here's the thing. The podcast market is really saturated because everybody's saying, Well, hey, he's doing it. I can do it. She's doing it. I can do it. What you have to do now, yeah, it's easy to start a podcast. You get your camera, you say, Hey, I want a YouTube channel and a microphone. Hey, you can shoot in your space. Here I am in my office. You're in your office and you go. But here's the trick. Now, you're never going to get a chance to get them again.

When.

You launch for the very first time and you get one or you get five, or you get ten.

And.

They watch you.

Will.

They come back?

If.

They like what you have to say, if you're entertaining, if you're informative, if you're educational, they'll come back.

If.

You're not, they're gone. When you hear the saying, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. Remember, Ojo, when we first started this thing, we got 2,000 people in the live chat.

We.

Went away from the live chat for a minute, started just doing BOD. We come back. I said, no, I think we can do it. Because people need to hear this, what we're saying. Because yeah, you can hear it on the video, but to hear it live the very first time, there's something about being on a comedy show, Ojo, you're actually in the audience versus, Oh, man, you should have heard it. Then it coming out. Kevin Hart on the tour, when he... I forget the name of his tour. But when it came out, can you imagine what it would have been like you're live in the audience and they hear that for the very first time. But they love us, they followed us, and they keep coming back. We keep trying to give you great information, entertaining you guys. We really want to thank you. The Pats beat the Broncos. Ryland kicks a game-wining field goal for the Pats. The Broncos tied up late, but they give the ball back to the Patricks. The Patricks do a great job of getting in field goal range. It disappeared. Getting in field goal range and kicking the... I think it was a 56-yard field goal, and it was right down the middle.

Considering how bad he had struggled early, he missed the field goal right.

He had a P-18. Make the extra point.

On the up-right.

That.

Was a big win for the Patriots. It was really, really deflating for the Broncos. They didn't play well, with the exception of maybe a few series in the game, but the Broncos didn't play well. The first snap of thethem. They sacked the quarterback to get a fumble, like on the five-yard line, and they end up turning the ball over on down at the two-yard line. You got to get something out of that. You would like to get points out of that drive. Excuse me, a touchdown out of that drive, but you didn't get anything. Worst-case in there, you get three. Give the Patriots credit, the defense bend. But I mean, they did a great job of holding them out of the end zone. Then the Broncos got really sloppy once they got a 7-3 lead, but they got really sloppy. They turned the ball over a couple of times, stumbled on the kick return and gave up a touchdown without the offense even getting on the field, which is very deflating. But give them credit, they fought, got the way back into the ball game. I thought they had an opportunity to possibly win the game because they forced the Patrins to go three and out, Ojo.

Now they get the ball with two minutes to go and I'm like, Okay, but, Ojo, you know this. In a situation like that, you really need something good to happen on first down because that's the down that realize, okay, yeah, we got this.

We got this. Get your rhythm. Give you a little rhythm. Give you a little rhythm.

Give you a little confidence. You got it the first down. You get 13, 14, 15 yards. You get a big play. Now you cook it, now everything. But now you throw a screen, you catch him in a blitz, but it's a running back. He peels off, tackle P-ride for a three-yard loss, not second and 13.

Yeah.

And they get everything up. Now you're behind the eight ball. But I don't know why they were in such a rush because you do realize now if you don't get this first down, you're going to put the ball back with them with a minute, and they got a time out. So I didn't understand the rush of why the Broncos were in such a hurry once they were second in 13. That's just me. What was some of your takeaway.

From the game? I think my takeaway, I mean, the Broncos played good in Spurs. There was a series that looked really good where Sean Payton had a great game plan for Russell to allow him to, I like to call it Cook. They allowed him to cook. They got him outside the pocket. Obviously, he was sacked five times, but they got him outside the pocket, allowed him to use his legs a little bit to make a few completion and drive down the field. I think that might have been some time in the third quarter when they looked the best as an offense. Other than that, they had sputtered the entire game. There was really no consistency offensively, and they really couldn't get a rhythm or that confidence you spoke of with a minute or two minutes left on the clock when they were trying to rush. I'm not sure why they were rushing and want to get the ball back to the Pagers just in that scenario with Courtland Sutton going down, that really hurt. I think that really hurt them offensively, especially in 50-50 ball situations where I'm sure Russ would have wanted to use him in that situation.

A little nephew little Brandon, he came. He got a nice little touchdown at the end, obviously getting the two-point conversion to tie the game up. After that, I think the Broncos played down to the competition. I think the Patris Defend doesn't get enough credit.

Yeah, they solid.

They don't get enough credit for the deserve because of the losing record. I'm not sure what Bailey Zappi ate for breakfast this morning, but the past few weeks that he started, the offense itself has looked completely different. It's looked completely different. I'm not sure if they're going to continue with Mac Jones as of next year? No. Bailey Zapi seem to be the answer so far.

He did a great job. He didn't turn the ball over. The thing that was killing Mac Jones, okay, even if you don't pick up first down, you can't turn it over. He throwing in the sessions. He's throwing, he's fumbling the ball. Now that's exacerbating the situation, is frustrating the offense, is frustrating the defense because we're having to fend extra possessions that you're costing us. The one thing that you can say about Bailey Zapi, he hasn't turned the ball over. He's a little bit more athletic, I think, than Matt Jones because he's able to get out of harm's way and make some plays down the field. But I agree with you. I mean, at one point in the time in the second half, maybe the start of the fourth quarter, the Broncos were minus seven yards in the second half. I'm like, Bro, how do you get minus seven yards? They had two or three possessions, and they had sack, rust, and rust, and foam with the footballs, and so they didn't get any extra opportunity to pick up any yards. But you know what? Maybe this is the best thing. Because you know what, Ocho, sometimes you can make the playoff and to give you a false sense that we're close.

The Broncos aren't close. They're not. All the playoffs would have done would have fool them. It would have fool our fans in Bronco country, and it would have fool a lot of the players. I told you we made the playoff, bro, you all not close. You don't have... You don't have enough playmakers. You don't have enough playmakers on the defensive side. I was disappointed in pass or tan the date because on third down, now, if they go to the other side, I can live with that. But ain't no way in hell if I'm that dog, you throw the third down on... Ocho, you're challenging me?

Third down on me. You're challenging me?

Can you imagine somebody throwing at time? Revers, Rod, Charles Wilson, Rod Wilson, and Nears Williams. You need a third down play and the best corner on your team, one of the best in the NFL. I want you. I'm going to challenge you. That don't sound right like you tell me, Ocho. That don't sound right to me.

Right. I don't know. When I look at it, I look at the landscape and the dynamic of that offense and defense. The defense is really good. I think they're really good. They played well, as opposed to how they look when they play the Dolphins and the Dolphins put up 70 on them. After that game, they have been decent. They have been decent to that point. And I don't know what happened tonight. I'm not sure what's wrong with the Broncos in general. I was very excited when Russell Wilson and that maturation between him and Sean Payton started to work and they started to look efficient offensively. And Russell looks somewhat of himself, and he looked somewhat of himself as what we're used to seeing when he was with Seattle instead of a shell of himself. He lost a little weight. He became a little bit more mobile using his legs. They were getting him out of the pocket. He was making plays with his arm, with his legs. And it's a game like the day that you have to come out and win and make a statement if you want to feel like you deserve to make the playoffs.

But again, like you said, if they were to make it, I'm not sure what the standings are for them now, but you would just be fooling yourself.

You'd just be fooling yourself. With a win today, they had a 42 % chance of making it, would have lost their five % chance of making it. So the likelihood of them making the playoffs with two games to go isn't very good. They need a lot of bad things to happen to someone else, but you need a lot of good things to happen to you. But here's the thing. Now you're hoping because you didn't take care of your business.

Yeah, your own business.

If you take care of your business, don't worry about what's up. Man, if they lose this and this team ties and an Eagle land on the flag pole at 12 o'clock, we can make the playoffs. No, bro. If you take care of your business, you don't have to look and see what someone else is doing. You don't have to worry about what they cooking because your meal is satisfactory. But it is what it is. I think they need a lot of things. The offensive line isn't nearly good enough. They didn't run the ball particularly well last night. I'm looking at the stats of Ocho and the rush yard is what they have. That's 61, 81, 83 yards on 17, 21, 22, 23 carries. That's not enough.

Not enough to get it done. No, not nearly. Not enough to get it done.

No. Give the Patriots credit, go on the road, win a hard fought ball game, found a way to win, could have gotten... You have a 23-7 lead. All of a sudden, it's 23-23 late in the ball game. You have every reason to like, Man, we had this game. We let it slip away. But they said, Nope, it ain't slip away. We still got an excellent chance to win this ball game. They dug down and they won the ball game. Congratulations to them. They the Nans and the Broncos taste defeat. Tombo said, You can't tell me Sean ain't sabotage in Denver. On the last drive, you called the exact same type of play that had you down 16 to begin with. Well, Ocho and I said it earlier, I wasn't pleased with the play call, and I know a lot of teams like to start with the screen, but a lot of defenses know you like to start with the screen. You like to start with the screen. They know you like to start with the screen. Exactly. Exactly. The Patris found a way to win. Give those guys credit. Game, we go into next, the Miami Dolphins.

Beat the Dallas Cowboys 20-20, Jason Sanders hit a 29-yard field goal as time expired to give Miami his 11th win of the season. He hit five field goals on today, set a Dolphins record three of at least 50 yards and they win. Two of those 200 had passed for 293 yards, 24, 37, 293 a touchdown. Doc Prescott was 20 or 32, 253 and two touchdowns. Cd-lam, six catches for a buck 15. Tyric had nine for 99 after sitting out last week. What would you take away? What would you big take away?

Hey, this might have been the best game of the day. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. They went back and forth to... Well, two of us was good. That was good. They then turned the ball over. One thing that I don't like that the Cowboys did. God damn, City Lamb been cooking. Obviously, I'm a Dolphins fan, but City Lamb has been cooking week in and week out. He comes out, has a phenomenal game at the beginning, phenomenal quarters, excuse me, he had four catches touching the ball. They moving the ball up and down the field. That is the Cowboys. Then all of a sudden, CD-LAM disappears. He disappears out the game plan and opportunities don't even exist until what? Maybe the late, was it maybe middle of the third, early in the fourth? I'm like, What are we doing? Are we even serious about competing and wanting to win the game when your best playmaker is not a part of the game plan? Why are you even allowing the Dolphins defense, excuse me, to dictate where the ball goes? Yeah. Move him around, get him the ball.

You don't have to, because at this point in time, they're not having Jaylen Ramsey travel with him. Now I'm working on because if you say, Jaylin, Ramsey and Zavion Howard are one-two, those are your two best corners. Now I'm working on three and four. Why I got to move. Well, you got to move me. Let me work with you guys in the slot. Because Ramsey is not coming in the slot. Howard really doesn't play the slot. I'm cool. You ain't got to move me. Just left or right, I got two guys in me that I know that I'm superior to, feeding me the ball. Although I agree with you, he had 10 targets. He should have had 17 targets.

Easily. The Cowboys are in a gauntlet. They're in a gauntlet of games that they have to win or they should win because the ramifications of these games are important for them making the playoffs, and the team that they're playing are going to be the type of team that you're playing in the playoffs. So why not throw the kitchen sink out there and get the confidence on your team, especially offensive, the confidence for that. City Lamb disappears halfway in the game after going crazy in the first half.

Right.

Then he doesn't touch the ball until what? Late in the third or maybe early in the fourth? It makes no sense. But then you're serious about winning and being in the playoffs. Dolphins and Diefens play really good, though.

Because here's the thing, Ojo, the thing. If you're the Dolphins, Diefens, what are you playing? The Pass. The Cowboys don't even really try to run the football. I don't know if they can't run it or they don't make a commitment to run it. Because all I know is Mike McCarthy said at the end of last year when they made the switch and moved on from Killing Moore, and he wanted more of a balanced offense. He told Jerry Jones a lie. He wanted to get Kelling Moore out of there because he wanted to call the plays, because this offense looks a lot like it did last year with no running game. They might have won 100-yard rush game this year, and maybe, if I'm not mistaken, that was the first game of the season against the giants, but they have no commitment. Now, granted, this offensive line is getting up on age. Zach Martin is not the same Zach Martin. Tyrone Smith has missed another game. He's missed on average since 2015, I think about three games a season. Since 2020, he's missed the average of four games a season. He's not the same. Because you remember now, when Zeke first got in, they moved people to the A.

Oh, yeah.

That thing was like.

They getting you up at the club quick.

Yeah, they were bounces. They had five bounces and they were throwing people up. You're right, Ojo, they were throwing people, they were throwing people out the club. You got to get up out of here. It's time to go. I just don't know. I mean, Tony Paul at twelve or 35, Dak have five for 25, but he had a 22-yard run. I liked Dak today because today seemed like he was very active. He wasn't hesitant. Oh, man, they got his thing covered. I'm out the gate.

Yeah, I'm out of there. Yeah. You're very decisive in his decision making.

He was. But they don't... I mean, the thing is, if I'm the cow... If I play the cowboys, I'm playing for the pass because they're not going to make a commitment to run, especially if they run the ball the first couple of times and you stop them, all right, Doc, it's on you now. But like you said, give the Dolphins credit. Tyreek, 14 targets, nine catches, 99 yards. He dropped one.

He dropped it. Hey, that would have been what? 97, 1996?

Because you see what... You see here's the thing, Ocho. What he got to do, Ocho? Once he got past Blaine, he got to start getting back. He stayed in that line. Now you got to get back. Why? Because just think about it, if you had released outside, where would you have been? I don't care what your release is. You know what, Ocho? You could go in motion and go out the other side. As long as when my back foot hit that fifth step and you what you're supposed to do be at 42 and four, I'm cool with it. He needed to get back wide. Because he didn't, you see how he tried to reach over here and catch it, where if he got back wide.

It'd hit it right here. It would feel right in the bread basket.

He'd have been and he'd have been paced them out. Now you get 97. Now, Ocho, you know what happened? You get first catch and it's a big one. A big one. I'm about to get me a 200 today.

Matter of fact, today would have been a 200-yard day, 200 is some change.

But he had another opportunity. Remember late in the fourth quarter, he ran a deep end cut and two threw it behind him because he was about to come out the backside on that one. The safety had taken a horrible angle. He was about to come out the backside. That's why he started hop and started jumping because he's like.

Damn, I missed it. You already know. The funny thing about it is he's going to have another week to be able to do it because they got the Ravens next week. The Ravens ain't changing up nothing based on the way they play the game. They feel they have two good corners in Martin L. Humphrey. I can't remember number 20, I can't remember number 20 on his last name, but they're going toin his face. They're going to be in his face.

But here's the thing. I think it's too late to get two bands. You think so? He needs about 200 yards each game. Because remember, Ocho, he got hurt. Remember, he got hurt? Then he missed the game.

Yeah. He missed about six quarters worth of production. Yes.

Now where he's at 1,600, he'd have been at 1,800. Right. Now with two games to play, he's at 1,800. Yeah. Have a nice game. Now you're trying to go in the sense, man, I'm trying to get a buck 50 against the Ravens. That for all I need is a 50 yards against the last game of the season. I'm a two-band. But this was a very needed for the Dolphins Ojo, because people say the narrative, but there's no narrative. You guys have not beat a team.

With a winning record.

Since in a calendar year. It's not a narrative, it's facts.

Right. It's facts.

I don't know what you want me. I don't know what you all want me to say. The cowboys, again, 20 points. Where they score 40 points at home, they got less than what they normally get on the road. They normally get about 22, 21.7, 22 points. They got 20 today. The defense, I mean... And the defense didn't play bad.

No, I was getting ready to say that. Normally, I say that the key for the Dolphins winning this game would be running the ball the same way that Carlos did, the same way the Bills were able to do, but they did okay against the run. They did okay against the run.

But here's the thing. I thought the Dolphins tried to attack him wrong. See, they're trying to get the edges. You got to go downhill.

Against them. Yeah, you have to because they're too fast. They're too fast and you're trying to get the edges.

Look at James Cook. Look how James Cook attacked them. Look how Krista McAfrey attacked them. Look at James- Between the tackers. That's what you got to go, because they're all them shooting up field. So it's going to be hard for you to get the edges. You see they strung things out a lot and get down here. But again, the defense ain't for turnovers. You see how different this defense looks, how different this team looks when they don't get turnovers, when you can't put that offense on the short field, when you can't get picked sixes and scoop and scores. You see how this team look? I mean, you all might not like my analysis. Oh, you a cowboy hater. But the facts speak for themselves.

I.

Ain't told what lie? I told them last week. I said it like that. I did like my ex. I like them. I just don't trust him. I like the cowboy. I just don't trust him, Ocho. I just don't trust him. I just don't trust him. I don't know what you want me... I don't know what they want me to do with that, Ocho.

But that's a good one right there.

That's a good one. Miami got another garlic. Think about it. They got- Oh, yeah.

They got the Ravens coming up.

Then they got closed out to season at home with the Buffalo.

With the Bulls, yeah.

The Buffalo really needs it because Buffalo is not out of the woodwork, not out of the woods yet. Because they need these last two games to get themselves into the playoffs.

Because.

I don't believe they might catch, I don't know if they can catch the Dolphins. The Dolphins probably need to win one of these last two games because the Dolphins are trying to like, Hold on. Maybe if the Ravens, if San Fran take care of the Ravens tomorrow, we need them next week. We're in the cat, bird seat. We're the number one seat.

Matter of fact, you're right. Because obviously, the Dolphins are already in the playoff. They're 11 to four. They second in the AFC right now. If the Ravens do lose, who the Ravens got?

San Fran tomorrow night.

Oh, boy, that's going to be a good one. Yeah. God damn. I don't want to underestimate the Ravens defense because ain't no telling what Ravens defense come to play.

But.

It all is based on matchups. Matchups. How do they match up well against AU and goddamn Debo and Christian McAfrey. Ain't no telling what's going to happen.

Yeah, but the Ravens and all that defense better be on their best behavior because we know what they do at home. They annihilate people. It ain't no close ball games and ain't no walk-off field goals. They beating people by 21. They beating people by 17, O'Jay. We saw them go on the road and we saw the job they did against the Eagles. We saw what they did what we thought was a good Cowboy team. We saw what they did to Seattle twice. We saw what they did to the Rams. Now maybe this is a different Rams team that's going to come at the end of the season. But we saw them, they take teams apart. Especially when they got their entire arsenal, when IUK and Debo and Kiddle and Trent Williams and C-Mat, when they're playing, and Jennings, they got tremendous guys that run up to the catch. Offensive line is very good. They can run block, they can pass block. Brock Purdy has been sensational. I believe he's still the MVP right now. It'd be interesting to see.

How the game- The defense is playing well too.

Yes. Now, they're not suffocating, but tradevius Ward, who do you match him up on? You put him on, say, flowers. Do you send him with Odell? Does he travel?

You send him with Odell because Zayflowers is a little to me, it'd be a mismatch. Even though Zay is good, but Zay is a bigger corner. He's a bigger corner. So you need to put him on Odell. You have to have some- Give me Ward. Huh?

Ward.

Yeah.

Okay, yeah. You say Zay is a small receiver and he's a big corner.

Yeah, I don't want... Yeah, that's a mismatch. That's a mismatch.

Yeah. It's going to be very interesting to see how this game shapes out. The cowboys, they lose on the road again. The questions are still going to be there. I'm going to put the same questions on the test until you answer the test correctly. That's what I'm going to do, Ocho. I'm going to give you the sameI'm going to give you the same questions. Don't ask me, Oh, people want us to lose. No, you don't get to reap the benefits of being on America's team. Then when you don't perform and we ask why, you talk about we want you to lose or we root against you? No, you're reaping the benefits of being on the America's team. That's why you think you're getting all these chunky soups? Why you think you're getting all these commercials? Why you getting all these seat? These are the mattresses, commercials. You think you get that because why? Because there are other quarterbacks that's playing better than that. There are other defensive players playing better than Michael. You get that for one reason. Well, it's not the only reason, but it's a large part of the reason because you're on the cowboys.

Right. You want all that, right? Okay, so when we come and we ask questions, what's going on? Don't be mad. Don't be mad. Yeah. Do like the Dolphins. There is a narrative out there. They can't beat good teams. They can't beat teams with a winning record.

But they came up and they showed up.

Tana, Xzibit. You know you were the courtroom? Yeah, Exhibit A. Okay, Dallas. Okay. Now, you beaten, I don't know who they got. They got the giants again. I think they got the giants again. Who else?

They got the lions.

They got the lions. Oh, that's going to be a.

Good game. They got the lions and they got the commanders.

J. Smooth 41, Shay, Ocho, please tell me why Dallas has no run game. Oline can't stop a part one of team. Rowtree is questionable beside CD. People will blame that. No, hold on, Ocho. I said this many years ago when they got rid of Amari, and I understood why, because they wanted a CD-LAM to be the number one receiver. Amari said, I ain't going nowhere. Look at Brandon Cooke and I think he's a solid receiver. He had a thousand yards in New England, New Orleans. Yeah, sensational. But he ain't Amari. Michael Gallup has not been the same since that knee injury. Don't tell me I understand he'll make a play here and there, but he's not the same receiver, Ocho. I like Tobert. He made a big time catch over and hiring. He's young. He needs to put more of these catches and games together. But just imagine if you got CeeD and you got Amari. Now, I don't know if anybody knows this, Amari has the second most 200 yard receiving games in NFL history.

He and.

Teo are the only two men to have three 200 yard games, one on three different teams. Now you tell me you have CeeD doing what he's doing and you have Amari, how would this offense look?

It look crazy. It'd be crazy. But I think obviously, it was a money situation, right? They didn't want to pay whatever it.

Might have been? It wasn't the money, because Jerry got the money. They didn't think Amari was playing up to the $20 million price tag.

Well, they purposely weren't giving him the opportunity to make sure he played up to the 20 million. But don't get me started on that.

Because here's the thing. They felt they overpaid to begin with. They felt that the only reason they gave him 20 million was to keep him away from Washington because he was a free agent. They didn't franchise him. He was a free agent. Washington put the money out on the table. He's like, If I'm going to get 20 million, I might as well get 20 million. Stay in a city and a system that I'm familiar with with no state taxes. Because remember, Ocho, when you're in free agency and you want somebody, you got to overpay. Because if the money is the same, why would I leave you and have to learn an entirely different system, get familiar with a whole different quarterback, learn a whole new city. If I'm married, I got a girlfriend. Now we got to learn the whole city over. If the money is the same, I'm going to stay.

You're.

Going to have to do something, pay me more than what I'm worth. Now, it's a situation like the Raiders. Now, Dream Bay did say, okay, we'll match. But he's like, if you all match, $137,000,000, no state taxes, that's about eight % over the life of the contract, I'm going to save me probably about $10 to $11 million.

$10 million. $10 million, yeah. $10 to $11 million.

That'll go a long way because I ain't going to be playing football forever.

That's.

How you have to look at it. The Cowboys felt, Well, we really didn't want to play a Mario 20 million to begin with. We just didn't want him to go to a division. That's the last thing you want, to go to a division rival? Yeah. I got to deal with you twice a year now, and now he's going to be feeling some type of way? That's what teams are very, very conscious about trading within the division.

Division, right.

I mean, more times than not, they try to trade completely out of the conference. Hey, you're in the AFC? No, you go to the NFC. If you're in the NFC, you go into the AFC.

The funny thing about it is if you feel that much about that certain individual going into division and you don't value them, if you don't value them, it shouldn't matter where they go because you don't want them anyway. You don't want them in the fact that you don't want them in the division, that.

Tells you all that it is. Stop saying that. It's like a young lady you dating. I don't care where you go, but don't you date my homeboy? Don't you date somebody from my school? Don't you date nobody from my school?

Come on. I like where you went with that. I like where you went with that. That's a good one.

But I don't care. But I do care. I care that you stay away from him.

Right. That's a good analogy. I like that. That's a good one. Hey, that's nasty work, too.

Yeah, man. I know you don't know this. We got 26,000 on Crimma E.

Hey, Mary Crip. It's going to be midnight.

Yeah.

Wait, hold on. Not yet. We got to wait till the hit midnight. It's 11:59. 11:59 means Christmas.

You know, Santa, he got the radio up to his head, too. He's listening. They're saying the boys on that thing. They're doing that thing already. He's saying, I.

This. It's midnight. Merry Christmas you all. I love you all 26,000 of you. From my family to yours, Merry Christmas. Happy holidays and all that good stuff. And you can open up one gift. You all can open up one gift. That's it.

Man, you're teasing somebody. What gift? I'm trying to get up everything.

No, you got to wait. You got to wait till everybody else get up. Once midnight hit, my grandma used to let me open up one gift. All right, but come on, get up now. Open up one gift and the rest of them you wait in the morning.

Barnet, Mary Porter wasn't playing that. You open up a gift by 7:30, eight o'clock. You couldn't get up early. In the morning? What? You open up gift when they wake up. Yeah, they're like, Hey, I'm restless. I'm kicking my feet. Right. Boy, Be still. My grandma, boy, Be still. I try to do everything to get wake, ready up.

Hey, you know what I love? I know we're going to get back to the football topic, but you know what I love about Christmas Day is the presents. It's all good. Today is obviously French fry. My one year old, she gets to experience her first Christmas where she actually knows what's going on. She see the light, she's excited. She can talk a little bit now, so I can't wait to see her face in the morning. But in Miami, I'm not sure how you guys celebrate. A lot of people get four-wheelers, Yamaha Banches, and we love to ride in the streets. I think I might do that today. I think I might do that today. Find somebody, a friend of mine, and get a dirt bike and just ride in the streets. We'd be like 50, 60 deep.

I ain't going to say that's not what they do. That's not what I do. My grandfather once told me me and my brother asking for a motorcycle. He said, boy, they call it asphalt. It's your ass and it's your fault. No, sir. That's what he said. That's out of the question don't you? We don't fool. Wait, you know what?

You was in the country. I know you rode four-wheelers in Durbikes.

No? No, what you call them? My grandma were going to play, my grandmother. I wouldn't even risk it. I wouldn't even risk getting on one away from home because if I got hurt, they're going to hurt me word. As soon as I get well, they're going to hurt me again. So I got to leave that alone. You know what, baby? I saw that boy on one of those sickles. I saw, yeah. Sickles? Yeah. I don't know which one it was, but I think it's that baby boy. Oh, no. Come on, man. No. Hell, man.

I love that man. The smell of that gasoline, they don't smell like regular gas. You got to mix it, man. That smell and-.

Ain't nothing like that. You know what that's? We played ball, and I used to play on the old asphalt and you look down on that thing and you don't see nothing but that white meat. Here I am black as I am, and I don't see nothing but white meat. Imagine you are- Go ahead.

Speaking of old school asphalt, when you grew up, you all played in the middle of the street? Yeah. When the cars come, you yell, freeze, and wherever you at, everybody got to stay right where you at until the car go by?

Yeah.

What about throw up tackle? You all play throw up tackle? We use the short.

Tackle the man with the ball? Anybody with the ball? Yeah, we call the tackle man with the ball.

Okay, we call a throw-up-tackle right here. Yeah, absolutely.

What you thinking you learned, man? They bust you up. Ojo, you better get good.

Oh, yeah, you got to. That's some good memories, man.

Let's see here at the game I want to get to... Where is it at?

Flacko?

Oh, yeah. How you know I was going there? The bruh, Ojo. Let's be real. That's what we do. We real with each other.

Yeah, right.

At no point in time since his return. Last year, the little five, six games that he played in this year, has DeShawn Watson looked as good as Joe Flacko looked in the last three games? Tell me I'm lying, Ojo.

No, you're not lying. But my question to you is, as good as DeShawn is, as good as he was and got the money based on what he did in Houston, he has a good supporting cast, a good supporting cast there offensively. Can you explain to me why he doesn't look the way Jack, Joe Flacko has looked in just four games?

I don't know.

I'm asking you, you have a better eye than I do. I have a better eye than I do. I'm just looking at it from from surface level, from watching from TV. How did Joe Flacko come in in a full.

Week- Off his couch. -look like that. -off his couch? You know what? If you notice what they're doing, it's the same scheme. They do a lot of play action, and Joe got a big time arm. You remember the throw that he made last week on the over route to Amari? Yeah, Amari. And a whole lot of guys going to fit that ball in there like that. You see the big first ball that he threw to 75 yarder?

Joe.

Flack, I mean, look, Joe, you ain't never question.

His arm. Did you see the ball placement, though? Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Now, I'm sure fans in Cleveland like, okay, we see what this offense can be.

With.

Amari and in Joku, and they run the ball... Now, they didn't run the ball great. I mean, 47, 58, 59, minus 5, 54 yards. 54 yards on 20, 27, 29, 30. They didn't run the ball great. They didn't run the ball great. But Joe Flacko was 27 or 42, 366, three touchdowns, two interceptions. Amari Cooper had 15 targets, eleven catches, 265, which is a team record. Ocho, if I see it, you don't think the front office in Cleveland see it? You don't think the fans in Cleveland are asking their family members at the bars and at the game? Why we didn't look like that with a guy that is getting a quarter of a bill for the guarantee? Why we haven't looked like that?

Remember I said, Ocho, at some point in time, we have to start making excuses. We can't keep saying, Well, he missed the year and this and that. Because Joe Flacko got off his couch. Off his couch, he driving his kid. I think Flacko got like five or six kids. He drive here in carpool line, in the line. Because remember, he had a couple of decent games last year from the jets. Was he on the jets? I think he was on the jets. But the thing you never question about Joe was his arm talent.

Yeah, he's always had a big arm.

If he get to the playoff, playoff Joe.

Playoff Joe the real deal, man. The funny thing about it is the Browns are a team. What they're doing right now and the confidence that they built in Joe and the way they're going offensively, man, you don't want to see the Browns? Yeah. You don't want to see the Browns offensively, and the damn defense ain't bad. They ain't bad.

Then.

They awarded them boys be playing some ball now.

The game probably shouldn't have been as close. I mean, it was 36-36, 22. It shouldn't have been that close if Joe doesn't turn the ball over. Because you look at Davis, Mills and K. Kenan combined, they had 201 passing yards on 26 of 49 attempts. They slightly over 200 yard or down the 50 pass on the 10th. But Joe was throwing it today. You mentioned they had an interception. They had two interceptions. They sacked the quarter. They got out to the quarterback. They had three sacks. They had two interceptions. Two interceptions, three sacks. They look good. I didn't think you and I had to discuss. We were talking about, Ojo, when we found out that the Sean was going to miss the rest of the season. I'm like, Man, they can't go nowhere. I mean, come on now. With the quarterback, they got come on, Ojo. I didn't see Joe Flacko.

He.

Wasn't on my radar.

I got a question for you, and I want you to play GM.

Okay.

With Joe Flacko playing the way you played, what do you do coming next year? You know to be much better than I do because I don't't like the mean, I don't like the mean. I don't like to be in the side of it. I don't like the politics. But you would be able to answer this.

I think you're almost forced to have to keep him. I mean, you still owe him $185, $190 million. Who you will get to take that? You're going to pay somebody $190 million to go away?

I'm just curious.

With Joe playing the way he's playing that, this ain't no just- Yes, see what Joe has done the past four weeks?

Yes, I have. Because here's the thing, Joe. It's like when they say it's cheaper to keep her. But I've seen people, I've seen men that are billionaires, they say, I'd rather pay you leave than keep my money and stay. This is the question. Can you trade it? Who's going to take who's going to eat that contract? Wait a minute.

Can't eat that? Nobody eat that? No?

Ojo, plus here's the thing. This is what you got to sell. Not only do you got to sell it to another team, you got to sell it to the fan base.

Yeah, okay.

The hardest thing was to convince, and it's totally different, was Andy was all in. Everybody wanted Mike. How do you sell that to the fan base?

Right. It's only one way to... I'm not trying to fix it. Obviously, if they-.

He's going to have to be immediately next year. He's going to have to be the last DeShane Watson.

That we saw- That we're used to when he was in Houston.

He got to.

He got to be.

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A lot of latitude. We'll take it.

In each episode of this season, I'm going to take you inside and behind the scenes on the conversations that happen at the highest levels of NFL franchises. We'll bring in top GMs and coaches and give you the story behind the story that you're probably not getting anywhere else. Like Brad Holmes, the GM of the Detroit Lions, telling us about their draft.

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Ojo, did you see this? Shohay El-Tani signed with the Dodgers $700 million contract. He wears number 17. He goes to the Dodgers, Joe Kelly, who's a starting pitcher, he has number 17.

He.

Wants it. He gives it to Showhay. Showhay buys his wife a Porsche.

Wait, he didn't charge him?

A Porsche. He got brought his wife a Porsche.

No, but I'm saying normally when you go to other teams, you have a certain jersey number. You have to pay the person that has it. You got to pay him.

Nope. He's just like, Hold up. Check this out. She offered it. She said, If you come to the Dodgers, you can have my husband's jersey number, which was...

Wait, so because the husband, because he gave the jersey up as a sign of respect and gratitude, he buys him a Porsche?

Her. She got the Porsche. She said, even if you come, you can have my husband a number and we'll change our baby's name, Kai to Show Kai.

Well, now she got to change the baby name. So she got a Porsche, she got to change the baby name. Well, shoot, that's O-Tanya wife, not.

It all led to thanking them with a special gift. On Saturday, Ashley Kelly opened her front door to a special delivery from Show Hay O-Tanya, a brand new Porsche.

That's live. That's live. You know what that feel like to be able to do that? Obviously, we can buy a car. We can get something nice for us. Do you know the money you got to be making to say, you know what? Because of this nice gesture and you allowing me to wear the jersey number that I.

Adore.

I'm not going to buy you a Porsche. I'm going to buy you a.

Wife a Porsche. Seven hundred million. Is that enough money? I'm okay. Oh, Joe, because remember I told you when I went to Baltimore, I was number 84 in Denver. Obviously, I wanted to wear number 84 in Baltimore. Jermaine Lewis had the number. The receiver? Yes. I offered him and his wife, he isn't her Rolexes. At the time, a presidential Rolex was probably a man's was probably about 21, 22,000 female, a woman's. Sorry. A woman's Rolex was about probably about 14. I was going to be, $35, $40,000 at the tax? He's like, No. But I didn't want 88. I didn't want the odd number. I was like, Frank Rainwright. Frank Rainwright had $82. I got his number. He was with me in Denver before he ended up going to Baltimore. I knew him somewhat. We used to joke with him. I call him Freaky Frank. I called him, I was like, Freaky Frank, man, I need 82. He's like, Call me Sharpie. He's like, Sure, Sharpie, you can have it. I said, No, Freaky Frank, I won't feel right. Would you give me the number? Would I properly compensate you? I was like, Well, what's your hobby?

He say, Sharpie, I like to fish. Say no more. I bought him a bass boat.

The little one.

With the- No, a bass boat. On it. Yeah. Like the ones you see when they finish the tournament? Yeah. With Mike, I canally and all those.

They're not expensive, are they? I must have been wrong.

I think it's about 13, $14,000. But you.

Got to- That's.

Worth it, though. That was in 2,000.

Yeah, that's worth it, though.

How much of basketball cost did I ask?

Yeah, that's definitely worth it, though, especially for your number. It's something about having your number.

Even though.

It wasn't mine, it.

Wasn't my number, but it was the number that I wanted. He was willing... He was willing to give me that. Okay, Kevin Van Damme. I would say Kevin Van Damme is probably the greatest. I grew up watching Bill Dance and Roland Martin and Ernest Hensley, all those guys fishing. Then I started watching Mike Icanell and Van Damme, Kevin Van Damme. I know a little bit about fishing.

Yeah, I don't like that. I ain't got the patience for fishing.

Now, guess what a bass boat cost now?

About 28, 20,000?

50,000 to 100,000.

What?

Yeah.

Well, that's the high end. That's like the best of the best.

I bought them a bass boat. You got to have an aeriated well, the water, so you put the fish in, so the fish stay alive. Stay alive, right. You have a big motor, a Johnson or an Airy Road, then you have to have a trolley. See, man, the people are going to think I'm from a Kajabi. I'm sorry, Ocho. I'm sorry. I'm just going to break it down for you, Ocho.

I'm from Miami. A lot of people here fish because there's water everywhere, it's legs everywhere. It's everywhere. But I ain't got the patience for that. I'm not sitting there waiting on you to take a bite. I'm not sitting there waiting on the bite. I got another question, though, I'm curious. Yes. Jermaine Lewis, you offered his wife-.

I offered him and his wife, his and.

Hers, Rolex. Both Rolexes. He said no. What did he want? Did he say a.

Number- I don't think he had said I had made a name for myself in this jersey and I want to keep it, which I didn't have a problem with. I go to the man... At the time, I'm a free agent. I was one of the top five free agents that was available. Now I could have been, hey, no, I ain't going to do that. I ain't going to pull rank.

Right.

Bro, this is what I got to give you by you and your wife, he has a Rolexes. What you think? Nah, man, I'm good. I made a name for myself. It's okay. Hey, free Frank. What's up, Sharp? Hey, bro, I want 82. He's like, Hey, take it, Sharpie. I wear any number. He's like, All I do is snap the ball anyway. Number don't really matter to me. No, bro, I don't want to take the number like that. Hey, it's yours. Hey, what can I do for you? He's like, I fish. I bought him a bass boat. Thank you. That's how I operate. But that is a very nice gesture from Ashley Kelly and Showhay showed his faints in a very gracious way. A brand new Porsche. I think she's like, I'm a mom, and it didn't come out of my hubby's pocket. Yeah.

She's.

Going to be cruising around with baby, the car seat and a Porsche.

That's.

Live. All the way. Sleepy man, Juan, donated money to roast you. He said, Your nose look like they came with your glasses. Man, look here. Bro, what you want me to have a look? You want me to have a look? Rest your soul. Michael Jackson nose? How'd that go look? Bro, this is me all be. I ain't got no Botox. I ain't had no nose job. I ain't got no feelings. Bro, I'm a black man with Nigerian roots. I don't know how you expect me to look.

You got Nigerian roots too?

Yeah, like 97%.

Wait a minute. Boy, I got 68%. I'm 68% Nigerian. I'm serious. I'm a Yahoo boy. You know about the Yahoo boys? Mm-mm. No? Well, I'm the leader now, but we're talking about that later.

Fante Johnson said, Oh, where can I get one of those Randy Ross t-shirt? I'm feeling that.

I don't know- I ain't even noticed that's who is on there.

You know that's the same thing. That's the same exactly.

Hey, you'd be having some dope teas, man. Where you be getting your t-shirt from?

Ma'am, my sister. She's like, things that she think I would wear that I would like. I like catchy stuff. Plus, I ain't really trying to dress up because I'm trying to be as comfortable as I possibly for two hours. But you're doing something for an extended period of time, Ocho. It's all about comfort. Forget that look, man. You are dressed for what? I wish I might. Merry Christmas Day. Who is this? Devon Bell? He said, Merry Christmas to everyone in your family, Chad. You know you're dead wrong for buying that little tree. Yeah, Ocho, you know damn well you can't have a Christmas tree that's shorter than the baby.

Listen, you need to understand women. Listen, when a woman says, Baby, go get a tree. She didn't give me no Pacifics on size, color. What the hell you- Listen, if you send me to get a tree, I'm going to get the cheapest tree I can find because it's one day. We're going to take pictures. I know you all about esthetics, and it came with lights. Look at that little ass tree. It's the same size as French fry.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. A Christmas tree shouldn't be the same size French fry.

Well, actually, that's her fault. Because if you wanted a big tree in this whole production, you could have went and got it yourself. Why would you send me? You know I'm going to go find the cheapest tree I could possibly find.

You dug that up. You didn't go buy that tree. You dug that up on the way to the tree. But this is what I want, a rail. I want to know why the hell you wait on Christmas Eve to get a tree to begin with.

Because you get the best deals the day before Christmas. I just did my shopping yesterday and today. You get the best Christmas deals right before.

Christmas hit. Well, if that's the case, how about you might... If that's the case, you should have waited until the 26th because all Christmas trees is going to be worth $5 and just put it up then. I think you want the best deal.

I do the same thing every year. Before she came along, I always waited the day before Christmas to get my tree because I get a better deal. Or you get some... Sometimes they'd be a little scruffy. It'd be the ones nobody want to pick out. Boom. But I got tired of the pine smell. I got tired of the bristles falling off and messing up the house. So what I do? I started getting little tiny trees like this, and it's efficient. It's the thought that counts.

There ain't no thought. I think you're wrong. Well, she thought you were crazy. Who you brought that little ass tree home?

I think it works. It works just fine. Where are you in the chat? Red, if you're in the chat, if you love us and it's Christmas, send us a thousand dollars right now. How much you love us?

Or how much you love me? I had a tree about this tall, but I was in an apartment when I was in Denver. I just put it up, I take it, I put it out like three weeks before Christmas, plug it in the wall, they take it out, put it right back in the little storage area. But you got kids. It was just me.

It does the job, though. It's doing a job. The kids worry about the presents. They don't really care about the tree.

You can't put nothing up out of there but a bow. You ain't putting no presents up out of there.

I am the bow. You put the presents around the tree, not under the tree. Under the tree is when you was young. Now you put them around the tree.

If you put the present around the stack, the present's up, you ain't going to be able to see the tree. Man, that look like a little, Cackness. Man, if I ain't know, but I swear you live in Arizona. You put lights on a cactus and try to fool somebody to tell me that's a Christmas tree. Man, French fry go get a finger prick fool with that Christmas tree, man.

Hey, what did you say? Is it a what? A what? A cactus?

Yeah, a little cactis. Man.

Hey, listen, I thought I did a good job. I thought I did a good job.

Reyl, you didn't do no good job.

I didn't spend money on the tree, but I spent money on the gifts, and that's what it's all about. It ain't about the gifts. Obviously, we know what the day is for, but the tree is sufficient, and it's going to get the job done. Did Reyl send us our money?

Reyl sent money? Reyl said no. Reyl said she tapped out from criminal.

No, no, no, no. Reyl, send us a thousand dollars. Don't do that. Happy holidays, baby. Let's act like we're in the spirit now. Come on. What's the point of you being rich if you ain't going to share now? Share the world. God loves a cheerful giver. Come on, man. A thousand ain't going to hurt you.

J. R. Locke said, Chad, you my guy. I'm going to need you with a stat sheet if you want to be on the ESPEN with you. Still my guy, but you need to be prepared. Just feel bad. He saw my set up. I got a little set up over here. You can't see it right now.

But Jordi- Let me see your set up. I got a set up too.

No, you ain't got no set up. I got a set up. It's nice.

Let me see it.

I'm up here.

I'm up in this thing. You got me excited. Come on, up. Turn that thing around. Oh, shit. What's that?

I can put you on any team and all the staff that are coming up. I can turn it that way like that.

Yeah. Hey, is that a program or something?

Yeah, I'm just, hey, we got to be prepared, don't you?

But how you do that? I got to watch all the games to know my information, not just take my notes.

Yes, you watch the games, but you watch the game to give your analysis. But you're not going to remember every single stat off the top of your head. This gives you the actual stats: rushing yards, who did what? Devon, Timmyter had nine attempts, 44 yards, Davis, Mills, so forth and so on. Now I can come down here and see what the defense did. Tackles, assists, force fumbles, interception, sacks. Then I just hit on any game.

See, that's crazy. I could stop wasting my goddamn pen and paper. I got my I use my little notepad. I'm jot down all these goddamn notes, and I could have been doing that. How much is one of those?

I don't know. It's not that much. $1,200.

You're not that much. If I'm not that much, it's completely different.

Huh? 1,200.

Oh, hell, no.

You got to invest in yourself, O'Joh. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

My investment right here, I write everything down.

Have you read Mr. B's story? Do you see how much he invest in his stuff?

No.

Yeah, that's why he has 215,000,000 subs.

Wait, hold on. How much do you think his stuff cost? Give me a roundabout number just on some.

He bought the entire city for his team.

Wait, come on. Wait, hold on.

He bought the entire city. He does about 70 million a year. You guys, it takes money to make money.

Hey, you know what we going to do?

What do you mean? I already did it. What do you mean we? You're not from France. Hold on.

Listen, you know what? We're finna buy a city too.

What?

We're finna buy a city.

Now, Ojo, you won't spend $1,200 on a computer screen, but you're talking about buying a city.

Hold on. I'm finna spend a knack because if Mr. Beas could do it, guess who would do it?

That's what I've been trying to tell you for a long time.

Listen, me and you, because you know why me and you could do it? Because we beast too. Yes. Yeah.

Hey, you see? I don't... Hey, that's how I look at it, Ojo. I ain't going to lie.

Damn, 70 million a year?

A year.

Oh, man. Are we finna catch, buddy? We finna catch, buddy.

We coming for that- I don't know we're going to get 250 million subs, but I know we can put out good enough content that advertising and sponsors will want to be a part of this. Yeah.

Listen, we can get there because I can tackle every demographic. I can get people that don't even watch football to come.

Listen to these.

Stories, listen to our experiences. But the liked lessons, the gyms.

That's what I tried to get people to understand. People thought I was trying to replace you with Gil. Gil is just another component that something else we can talk about, basketball. When the Olympics come around, I'm going to have people that ran in the Olympics that are participating in the Olympics to help guide us through. That's what we do. Then guess what, Ocho, we're putting other people in ShayMedia up on the club, ShayShay, to do a lot of other different... Somebody that does finances, somebody that does health and wellness, besides you and I to talk about sports. Somebody that... Yes.

I like that.

That's how you have to-.

We're from the build of fucking empire. Yes.

Absolutely. That's what our people. No, I'm not trying to replace. But there's a thing about it. Popeyes could have just still been making money doing fried chicken. Didn't they add the chicken sandwich?

Hey, that chicken sandwich was crazy, boy. A lot of fights about that chicken sandwich now. The whole lot of fights.

What was McDonald's known for? Burgers, Big Mac, quarter pounder? Quarter pounder, yeah. Then they added chicken nuggets.

Nuggets.

You see how they expand? Oh, we got the football, but now I'm going to have somebody bring basketball. They're going to say, Okay, doing basketball. Guess what, Ocho? You and I talk about a lot of other things that's not sports related. Now we get the lifestyle style. Now we get to entertainment people. They're like, Okay, man, you got to think. If you want to be outside of the box, you got to think outside of the box. If you want to be outside of the box, you got to think outside the box. You said you didn't want to be in the box.

I ain't never been in now.

Well, I need you to think.

Let's go. Well, I'm going, hey, Reyl, send me $1,200 to get this... What's that called? It's an Apple?

Huh?

That's Apple products?

She gave you 400. She said, that's it.

She gave me $400 what?

$400.

Where is that?

Reyl said she gave you $400.

She donated $400?

Yeah. What type of cheap? What are we going to do with that?

I'm trying to get the IBM.

Hold on, she said, You should have saw my face when my baby walked dead. Baby, I got you. I got to have that set up right up. You should have seen my face when my baby walked dead. Baby, I got you. We're going to have this set up just like, oh.

Yeah, that's way to come through, baby. I got to prepare. I got to prepare like, oh, man. Yeah, I got to think.

Outside the box. 10-1 Love 10 said, Will Nightcap continue after football season? Absolutely.

Of course. That's good. I like that.

We're probably not going to have the four days. We'll probably have two days, and then you don't have basketball season. But yeah, absolutely, because guess what? We're going up to the Super Bowl and then you got free agency, then you got the draft. We're going to be going strong now. I'm going to take some time off after the NBA finals. I'm going to take about two months off because I got to decompress. I got to recharge. It's been a really long year for us. So we're going to take him some time off. Ash, going to take some time off. Jordan, going to take some time off. Even though Jordan take time off a lot now, I'm hard to get a tip of you. I was like, Damn, I need to give you a beep. I need to give him a beeper that shot. That way, they shot me. You know what? I don't know. Hey, what's going on? Bro, I call you seven hours ago. Jeff King asked, How do your dogs handle fireworks? Well, the two I got now, they've never been around fireworks. Because I see some people, like when I was in Atlanta, we used to walk up to Lennox Mall and they let the fireworks go.

I see people bringing the dogs. They're like, Why would you bring your dogs? Don't put him in that situation. Now, I had a dog, an Akita named Sam, somebody called him Bo. He didn't like thunder. He would go get in the closet or I would let him go downstairs and go to the basement. Then he wouldn't hear any of it. But I don't think they've never heard it. I'm going to try to do everything I can to make sure because I don't want every time a loud noise go off, they think it's something and then they get spooked. Right. Izel the fourth said, had my second hip replacement Monday. Stay blessed. Isiah, bro, you're going to live life again, man. I'm telling you, it was the best thing. The only thing that I hate is that I waited so long to get it done because here I am thinking I'm stretching and I'm doing all these exercises and it's going to make it better. Nothing made it better until I put that fresh titanium in there. Once I got that fresh titanium, now all of a sudden I'm living. I ain't just getting by. I'm not just surviving.

I'm living. I have life again.

Does it bother you when it's cold, though? Nothing. When you're in the cold, you know what I'm talking about, right? Sometimes when you have... Okay, okay.

People saw that I put it up on my page. I can squat. I can leg press, leg extension, leg curl.

I could do all that. Wait, you can still do all that? Yeah. Wait, you can see a squat? Yeah.

I use the machines to squat. I don't use barb. But I was doing box squats with weight on my back. But I ain't really like that. I do pendulum squads and things of that nature, leg presses. Man, O'Tro, that thing got everything hurt. I knew I was in trouble when I couldn't sleep at night because I couldn't find a position that was comfortable. Everything just ache. If I stood too.

Long- No matter which way you turn.

-didn't matter. It didn't matter. I made you boy to a six. Now I'm good. What's wrong? You up so far. I ain't like, Ojo, I say. I told the doctor, I said, Yeah. I told the doctor, I said, Ojo, I started messing with that because I was getting- He's had to get surgery.

He's had to get.

Surgery, huh? Man. I'm talking about literally. Ojo, I had to take painkillers before I had sex. What? Yes.

Yes, I'm literally- It was that bad?

-crying afterwards. Crying.

Wait, one side of your hip or both sides?

Both. B-o-a-f. Both of them hurt.

Wait, how did it even get to that point? You got hit.

With a- It's hereditary in my family. My brother had his replaced, my sister about to get both of hers replaced. I've had both of mine replaced, so it's hereditary. My mom said, I'm just going to make it to 80, about to be 81. She said, Hey, I'm good. I ain't going nowhere in a hurry anyway. I said, Mama, it ain't hurting bad enough. I said, Because I said the exact same thing. I remember my brother, I was getting those injections, and he said, You know what? I got those injections. He said, But one day you're going to go and it's going to feel like you got a placebo. He said, It's going to feel like they gave you sugar water. I remember that day just like it was yesterday. It was June. I was getting ready to go to Atlanta, and I got the shot. I remember walking out and I was like, Damn, it don't feel like they did nothing.

It was.

Still hurting. It was still hurting. Even after I got... They gave me shots in both of them. I'm telling you, he gave me a full syringe in both of them. I got on the phone. I'm pulling out the parking deck. I called my assistant. I said call the doctor back and tell him I want to get my hair replaced. That was in June.

What's that procedure like?

Well, it's different because in the old days they went through my brother's glute. Now they just do an incision in the front of your leg. Break it, take it out. They do a machine. See, now it's surgical. They got a machine that just lines it up. Doctor is just looking. All he did the and that machine does everything. Let it open, pop it out, put the new one in there. I had the surgery on a Saturday. Five days. That following Thursday, I was squatting, doing lunches and everything. Oh, this.

Is.

Simple. It's not even a company. No, you have to understand. Now, I'm used to having... You're an athlete, you used to deal with pain. To think about how long I did this, I dealt with that pain for three years, four years. So I'm like, I'm coming. Because now to get you out... Because I had the surgery, I got in there at six o'clock, 6:30, to start the surgery, like 7:30. I was home by one o'clock.

Okay, so it's not that long.

I thought it was.

The.

Tedious process. No, the surgery is 90 minutes. To make you walk up and down and fly to steps three times, make you go to the bathroom, they get you ass up out of there. You're finna get up out of here. We need this bed for somebody else. I got up out of the... I would go. I take me three or four and to deal with that pain because I got a squat, I got a lunch, I got to do all that stuff. I said, I'm coming up out of here. The first surgery, it took me 10 days to walk unassisted. No walker, no crutches. The next one took me six days. I'm coming up out. I knew what to expect.

Right.

You were ready. I would have been smooth sailing, but they gave me something, Ocho, and I had allergic reaction. Now I got hives everywhere. I got... Now I got to go to a UCL emergency, a medical emergency. They got to get me these shots. I got to go to see. It was just like, but, Ojo, your boy, Health, and that. Your boy, Health, and that.

It was crazy.

Do it.

That's crazy. I didn't have any surgeries. Obviously, I didn't get hurt. But what I did do, the only thing I did do was an ankle when you have bone spurs.

Yeah, you know what that- But the author said the side stroke saved him here. Right.

You ever had to get scope? The little scopes?

Yeah.

I did the scope and my ankles, let's say, just for the sake of arguing, maybe on a Monday. Man, I'm back out there trying to run around probably Friday, and Coach Lewis then had to throw me off the field.

Oh, yeah.

Angle's still swollen. All I did was just a little cleanup. The bone.

Spurs are broke off. That's what the line was with, Ojo. Had them line when we get scope on Tuesday and play on Sunday.

Okay, you know exactly.

What I'm talking about. Yeah. And me, I had ankle problems. I had a man and my ankle used to kill me. I had the nerves taking out my ankle. What? Yeah. You can't do that. I had to play.

Wait, hold on. How you get the nerves taking out.

Your ankle? They dead in them. They killed the nerve. You can kill the nerves. I had them killed. I said, I'm tired of this.

How are you going to feel?

I don't want to feel it. It is what it is. I got a finite period of time to play NFL football. I don't do hassle and grettle. I don't save nothing for the trip home. I don't drop no bread from. I give you everything I got right then and there. When it's over, it's over. That's why I was able to walk away and leave nothing. Hey, you could say I did this or I didn't do that. Everybody that played with Shauna know I gave you everything I had. I left no stone unturned, and I didn't save nothing for the trip home.

But- How you say you took the nerves?

I had it dead. They dead. I had to feel nothing. Nothing. You know I didn't numb your tooth? How they would.

Put you? Yeah, they had to.

Say that. But I had it numb. Dumb, just done. Don't feel nothing. You thought me kick me on my ass, don't feel nothing.

You got to feel in back now, right?

No, I ain't got no feeling in it. I'm good, Ocho. I don't need no feeling in it. I need feeling some way up a little high up. I don't need no ankle. I need to come on up a little high. That's what I need to feel it. You talk about my ankle. What the ankle going to do?

I never heard of that. I didn't even know that was possible. That's dope.

Hey, Ocho, I had to do it. Hey, my girl, Faith. Faith said, hashana, Ocho, friend. Invest in yourself. Remember, you cannot reap the harvest the same day you plant the seeds. The heart of a man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. Keep growing, O-choh. Yeah.

I.

Like that faith. Faith has been one of the ones that's been here from day one. I tell you, from the very first time that we went live back in September to what was that? Night? Because it was a Sunday. I think it was September the night.

Right.

Faith, Laney Ray, Unculture Jay, and it's one more. They've been here from day one, from the absolute start of it. We want to really appreciate you guys. Upgrade King said, Congrats on all this success, Uncle Ocho. Ocho, you need a better background, please. Scary money don't make no money.

Wait, what's wrong with my background?

We're going to get you what's called? We're going to get you what... You see how my sign is? We ordered them. Yeah. That's Club Shay-Shay. We ordered one that could go say, Nightcap.

I like that. But my background is what I do. Listen, I smoke cigarettes. That's my cigar line right there. You know I love soccer. I love soccer to death.

Ojo, you're not a teenager anymore. You about to make lots of money in that room.

But I have lots of money already.

I tell you, you ain't going to have much as we going to be making.

Okay, I know what you mean because we two beast.

Exactly.

But you don't like this?

No.

Not really. It represents me. I'm a gamer. I'm a gamer. My bangles.

You ain't no gamer. How much you make gaming?

Maybe only about $35,000 a month. Not that much because I don't do it enough. Not that I don't do it enough. I have to put in the time, eight, nine hours a day. You don't got that time.

Exactly. You know who'd be on my ass about gaming too much.

It's time to like, look,unkin' Ocho, we professional. We got to have a different mindset.

Right. So you don't like my thing? No.

Cordale, home say, Hey, guys, happy holidays to you all and everybody in the chat. Question with, what are you all's top three men's cologne? Ocho, this is your area, because I don't wear cologne. I haven't wore cologne since I was in college. So take off.

Hold on. I'm so glad you asked. Dior Savage, that's one of them. That would be third. I'm going to give my top three. I just took a picture of this for somebody else the other day. Louis Vuitton, Illuminis. I think I'm saying it right. Baby, if you're in the chat, please spell that correctly for me. Louis Vuitton, Illuminis. That's the name of it. And the third, this is number one right now. I guarantee you. Oh, here we go, I found it. It's called Blue Talizman. Blue Talizman, like spelled Blue and then T-A-L-I-S-M-A-N. I ain't never smelled none like this. I ain't never smelled none like this. It smelled so good. I had to take a picture of it so I could tell somebody exactly what it was. They kept asking me, people keep asking me what you wearing. I couldn't remember the name, so I took a picture. Because every time they asked me, I just show it to them. Blue, Talisman. So good. That's my top three. I'm not sure if in the chat you all got something else that I didn't name, let me know because I could always use some.

Good cologne. When I was in college, Ocho, I had Draycar. You know what I'm saying? You remember.

That Draycar? The red bottle, like Burgundy.

A little bit. I had that black bottle. It was all black.

Black bottle.

Yeah, and I had that clavid client obsession with them pheromones in it.

I put.

That old Ocho, bet you could hit me in the ass with a red apple. You couldn't tell me that. I'll come out one leg, a bow leg of bow-legged and Ocho. I came out there with them and did me some push. Oh, you see how yellow. You see how yellow. I ain't been working out like I'm supposed to, but you see that? In 24, they're going to be home. I'm going to be joined down. See, Jordan think he could be a better shade than me. He leading to me. He don't even know. He don't even know. He don't even know.

You're going to lean up a little bit?

I'll be lean, yeah. Just to beat him down to let him know. But it's going to cost him 10,000.

Oh, you're a baby.

10,000 bands on it. Wait, hold on.

You bet 10,000 that you can get leaner.

Before he can? I'm going to be leaner than him.

By when? What's the date?

Whatever you want the date, do you want to set it?

Okay. Hey, that's a big bet there, boy.

I like it. That's a big bet. He won't just get paid for money. He'd be okay. He can get you to the beat and get you to it all now. But this time he's going to be out of necessity. He need it right now won't do. He going to need to eat it when I get done, I'll go to Jay-Z. You tried the finals yet, also favorite game outside. You tried the finals yet, also favorite game outside of EAFC. Last video game you played, no offense, but I'm trying to say Technobow.

God damn.

No.

I'm back. Your last game you played was ten-yard fight.

No, I don't know. I'd have to ask my daughter. She up to her sleep. I mean, she probably was 2002. She probably was, I don't know, 9, 10, I don't know. It's been a while. Ojo, I didn't have time.

You had time for video.

Games, man. I did not. I did not, Ojo. I wake up at 9:00. I wake up... I would wake up, I would eat breakfast. I'd go to the track. I would spend two hours on the track. I'd come back, eat. I would nap. I'd go to the gym for two hours. I would come back, sit in the cold tub, take a shower. I would stretch. Then I would get massages three days a week. I really didn't have time.

Okay.

All I was thinking, I'm writing down, Okay, what do I want to do this year? How am I going to do this? What do I need to do? A, B, P, I need you to send me send me all the practice cutups of every time I ran Y out. Send me the cut-up to every time I ran Y choice. Send me the game cut-up footage of when I ran Blank a Drive or excuse me, when I ran Fox Two, X and Y hook, or I'm just constantly watching. Okay, damn.

Listen, I didn't do it to the extent you did it, but I did it. But I also had my time to be able to enjoy the things that I like to do when I want to get away from the game. You have to have something.

That- Movies. I would go to the movies. Let me tell you.

What I did. Okay, you're just not a game, right? I understand. I get it.

I went to the movies. It think it was probably about 10:30, 11 o'clock, I went to the movies. I got home about 1:00 AM. I saw six movies. And people said, Well, why did you say I want to see if I can do it? I would push myself. I would two days, I wouldn't eat just to see if I could do it. I wanted to know because I'm going to ask my body. I'm going to call on my body in the fourth quarter. I needed to respond. You can't ask the body to give you something you didn't give it. You got to be able to put the... You don't know what a man can do until you put him to the test. I'm trying to put you to the test. Every time I run around, I'm trying to put a DB to the test. I'm trying to put the line back into the test because I don't know if you can pass the test that I'm going to give you.

But I.

Got to give myself the test first because I can't ask you a question that I don't know the answer to.

Answer to.

I like that. Man, like I said, I love my kids so much because of what they didn't get an opportunity to do with their dad. I was wrong for that, but that was the only way I knew. That was the only way I knew. They come at different times. My son hadn't been here in a while. He's married now. My daughter-in-law got my grandson. But the two girls, they come and we have conversations, especially the oldest one. The oldest one, she's more of a talker, and so I'll be laying in the bed and she'll come, Dad, what you doing? I'm laying in the bed. She'll get in the bed. We'll talk about things. She's like, How much she appreciate what I did. Although she didn't understand, she appreciated and she understands now as she's an adult. She understands why I work so hard and find things that... I always told them, Look, I never pushed them in any direction until I saw the direction they were going in. Once I saw the direction they were going in, now I'm going to push it. Because I never wanted my kids to get to be 25 or 30 and said, I only did something because you wanted me to do it, dad.

I was always mindful of that. Now, once you start something, you're going to finish it. You might not do it next year, but you're going to finish it out this year. You don't got my money and I have to do all this. You know what? But you're going to do it. But no, Ocho, I had a singular focus. Like I said, I was no good. That's why people are like, Why are you not married? Because I had a singular focus. I was married to football. I loved it, and I didn't have no affair. I didn't cheat on it.

Balance is good, though, baby.

Ain't no balance to greatness. You think Tom braided had a balanced life? You think LeBron James have a balanced life? Jordan, tell me the great player, Kobe. That's your favorite guy, Kobe. You think Kobe had a balanced life?

You.

Think Jeff Bezos and all these guys, I ain't talking about now. It's easy to be balanced now. You're worth $130 billion. You're worth $200 billion. You're worth $50 billion.

But getting to that point, trials and tribulations that you got to go through to get to that point, okay, I get where you're going.

The thing is that, and you have to have somebody to... Because here's the thing. People ask the question, say, Why does Movie Stars marry other movie stars? Because the other know what it's like to live that life. Yeah, the last time. To get in the character.

To.

Become something, to become someone. Unless you've been there and know what it's like, how can you.

Possibly understand? Understand. That's a good one. That's right.

You're right. And so why you eat the same thing over and over? Why you do the same thing? They say, Insanity is doing the same thing over and over.

Over and over and over and expecting different results.

I did the same thing over and over, hoping for the same results because I have seen that success. That's all I wanted.

I.

Like that. I mean, success is a drug, Ocho.

Yeah.

Do you know what it was like you scored your first touchdown? You wanted to score another one. When you got the first 100-yard game, you wanted the 200-yard game, you wanted another. There's nothing like that. They say, Heroin, which is one of the strongest drugs, they say that burst high. They call it chasing the dragon. They say, You chase that, you want that feeling one more time.

But.

It takes more and more to get that. That's why you're OD. I wanted that feeling I got what would the very first touchdown that I scored. The very first time I saw those fans stopping their feet, and I saw them in my jersey, and they were applauded what I did. Oh, man. I never lost sight of that, the Ocho. They were applauding what I did, not who I was.

A lot.

Of times you say, Well, guys get lost because everything what they do is football or basketball. That's what I did. That ain't who I am. I'm a chameleon. I play football, I can talk, I can motivate you, I can coach you, I can teach you. That's what I need guys to understand sports is what you do. That ain't who you are.

But.

Do you know who you are? If I took that away from you, what could you be? Come on, we go move it on, though. Paz most. Shannon, you're so good on this so much better than TV as a very smart when he's not limited to 90 seconds. Pazmo, I really appreciate that. It is what it is, Paz. That's what TV is. But I do like the format that I had on this view that I do. I love the format at ESP because it does give me a chance to expound. It's a lot easier when it's a one on one with just Ocho and I. Plus, we can take as much time as we want.

Yeah.

It's our show. We don't have and so we're not limited. We can go, because originally, Ocho, you remember, we were only supposed to be 25 minutes.

That ain't all work.

At the first night, we're like, Man, we went an hour. I said, But man, Ocho, we left so much on the floor. I'm like, Bro, what happens if we go an extra 30 minutes? But I'm like, We're still leaving so much material on the floor. There's so much stuff that we need to get to. The next thing you know, we was at two hours. I really appreciate you guys, man.

Yeah. You know what I really like, though? I don't think people understand. What we have, and no disrespect to Undisputed, no disrespect to first take. But what we have the formula, the format in which we operate is so good. It's so authentic. It's so organic because there's another element to it where we can be ourselves.

Oh, for sure.

Where things aren't scripted. Obviously, we're going to talk football. Yeah, of course. We're going to talk football. That's cool. Think about yesterday. Think about yesterday. What I loved about yesterday was the disagreement about boxing and you telling me to pick something and you getting upset and you're getting angry. Then me actually getting angry too, because you know what? I don't feel like changing. The dual and personalities, the dual and beliefs and being able to maybe not even compromise in that sense, but just have opinions and standing on business, on what you believe in, and then coming right back the next day, shit. Like nothing happened. That's it. You can't get that and you can't get that nowhere else. That authenticity that we have, the chemistry is unmatched.

Yes.

It's unmatched. That's God given.

Because the thing.

Is- That's.

God given. It is. But here's the thing. You're passionate about what you believe in. I'm passionate. You're supposed to have like, No, bro, no, it's not like that. This is what it's like. Because how can you not be passionate and be great at something? That's why what do they always tell you? Find something that you love and you can make money at.

It.

Because you become passionate about it.

It don't feel like work.

It doesn't feel like work. So many times, like, what would... Somebody said, Man, if you weren't six foot and 200 something pounds, you would have been a great football player. I would have been great at something else. That's what I'd have been. I'd have been great at something else.

But you never know what that something else would have been. I hate that you would say that.

Because my thing was I put my focus on football, sports. You mean to tell me with my mindset, I wouldn't have been a good lawyer? Really, you think that? That's what you think? Wow, I've been great. I don't know anything but greatness. I don't know anything about hard work. When you're willing to work hard, you're willing to pay a price to sacrifice, you can be great. But I don't let people tell me what I can and can't do. Xavier Samson said, Merry Christmas, Ankinocho. Love the show. I stayed lockdown. What's the best Super Bowl of all time? To you all. Well, my first one, the Super Bowl 32, we won.

I'm.

Always going to take the what. I mean, but it's hard. How do you not take one, what's that? The Patriots and the Seahawks, the Rams and the Bingles. How did you not take that?

That was a good one.

That was a.

Passing.

Appearance. The 49ers, the one Jerry went off, they came back and they end up beating you guys 20-16. Joe threw 200X slant to JT John Taylor. There have been some good with the Stealers against the Cardinals with San Antonio Homes, toe tap in the back of the end zone.

Back in the end zone? Yeah, that was a nice one. Accordingly- Listen, again, that Pages, Falcons game that people thought was over because it was 2003, the.

Giants, Patriots, the Eli-.

That was a good one.

Both of those two boys were good because Eli made two gate throw. That throw to Mario.

Manningham in 2010? Manningham on the sideline. But he got his toes in.

That.

Would be nice.

That would be nice. Against two man, and he got to get up and down because the safety coming.

Coming right away.

Guess what? Everybody know in the stadium, they can see like, Oh, my goodness, he about to get blown. The safety know he's coming, and Mario Manningham knows.

He's coming. Coming, yeah.

For me, I'm a Super Bowl 32 because we beat the Packers. We were 11, 12 point underdogs, and the NFC had won 14 straight Super Bowels, so we broke the stranglehold.

That my favorite.

Joseph Grochek donated $200 and said, My son wants to be a full-back. Is the fullback position done in the NFL? For the most part, yeah.

Yeah. Except the 49s.

The 49s have a fullback and the Ravens. That's basically two or thirty two teams, the old show. How many fullback you think they go carry on the roster?

You're right. How you say the fullback's name, the last name? Rice... I don't know how to say it.

Eustach.

He can catch out the back field and all.

And Richard?

I.

Think it's Richard or Ricard. I think it's Richard. Yeah, yeah. No, bro. If he could play running back, let him play running back or let him move to the defensive side.

I.

Watched some film of Ocho. Man, was always so open on the deep ball. Can you ask him what was some of his techniques to get so much separation, particularly on the deep ball?

Step on them toes, baby. Step on them toes every time. Every time. I'm trying to think. My thing was always getting from point A to point B. I rarely sat there and made moves that's the line, very rarely. I pick a side I want to go to, I dip that shoulder really low and just get up out of there right away. Obviously, I was cat quick. I'm not trying to boast or anything. I was cat quick. That was an advantage I had to myself and most Dbs that were a little bigger, they try to be aggressive, try to play bullyball, and it would always be a mistake. It would always be a mistake because I would counter that by just getting low and get right on round now.

Yeah, you reach our teach.

Basically. The world's fastest thing.

You.

Look for me out of it, it and gone.

Yeah.

Merry Christmas, anonymous donated. Merry Christmas, fellas. Thank you for all the great content. The best podcast by far. Quick question. If you could play for one team today, which team would you play for?

That's a good one.

I like Andy Reed. I love Red. Because I know he was in Green Bay with my brother, know his wife and met them at the Pro Bowl. So big Red and they're going to throw that rock. Trave, you have to share some of the ball with your own.

I.

Liked him. Football. Football. Because I know you all somebody goes to my balls. You talk about balls, footballs.

Yeah, probably back in Cincinnati. Let's see what it's like.

But they got- Yeah, you.

Got Joe with Joe Burl throw at the hem.

Yeah, but what you calling? I'm going to get all the rocks, though, man. You ain't going to be getting the rocks like you got last time. Chase, you know who that?

Okay, that's my dog now. He's a.

Credit card.

Now we're going to have to split them. We're going to split them?

What you going to do? Whathiggie is going to do?

Me and T are going to split too. Matter of fact, I go back. I just need just put me in on third down, that's all.

No, you ain't going to be no third down. You ain't no third down, guy. You ain't wild like that.

But I'm just saying- What.

Do you think? What do you think you tried to fool?

I'm a team player. I'm a team player. I'm just saying.

Okay, man. You know what? You know how when you say something and you don't even believe in yourself and you start that.

I'm just saying hypothetically speaking, that'd be dope. Just to play in this era in general with the way the rules are relaxed now too?

Yeah. Mitch Evans asked, Hey, Uncle Ocho, when was the first time you met each other? I interviewed him at CBS. I think it was my second year there, so it had to be like '05.

I was in my prime then too. That '05, that's Blom Mohawk culture, huh?

I think it might have been '05. You put it up to we interviewed... I was at CBS. It might have been '05, '06.

Damn. Yeah. Man, I don't even remember that.

Yeah, you had an apartment with a couch and a painting on the wall. That's all you had.

In.

Cincinnati? Yeah.

Okay. You see how you said that's all I had. I ain't need nothing else. Okay.

Oh, my God. Jeremy Shepard asked, I watched the video. Okay, we already got that one. Oh, poster child said, Messi and Unk versus Ocho and Cristiano Ronaldo. Who wins to two to soccer field? Man, we're going to get killed, man. Yeah, you all are. No, me and Messi on a team. You and Cristiano and Reynald on the team. Oh, we're going to kill you all. Yeah.

Oh, man, man, we're going to destroy.

You all. You're crazy.

You're a liability on the pitch.

You're a liability. Me and Messi. I got the goat, dude, I don't left it.

You got the goat.

The goat is Cristiano. No, Messi the goat.

Cristiano's the goat.

No, the Bell and the doorballs. He got the World Cup.

Stop it. I ain't trying to hear all.

That, man. Stop it.

I ain't trying to hear all that.

When it comes to IG, ain't nobody, man. I think he got like, 600 million followers. Who that? Cristiano.

Yeah.

He's the most follower guy on IG, but he can't see messy.

That's a whole other conversation. We could sit here for hours and hours in debate.

Christopher Hogue said, what was your I love football moment?

I love football moment? Well, that started way back.

Yeah.

Way back. I mean, for me, I love football. Football was all I had. Football was my way out. That was the green light to change the circumstances for myself, my family at that time. My daughter, I mean, it was just one at that time. Now I got a whole football team. But football was my everything. I just knew it would get me out of, obviously, the area I'm from. I left I left Liberty City without really leaving, if that makes sense. Because it was still in me even though I left. I made sure to represent that to the fullest, even though I left the front porch. But yeah, probably it started like really got serious, probably junior high, right before high school. You understood how important those next four years were, especially once you got to college.

Yeah, that was for me, Ocho, when I figured out... When I found out that they played, that I could get paid to play football. Like, really? Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Then I found out because back then, $100,000 back then, Ocho, when I first understood football, man, $100,000? What? Man. I started seeing, watching Miami Vice. I don't know when you were really young with Miami Vice.

Rocks and tubs.

Rock and tubs?

Yeah.

They were wearing the Ferrari and the Lindipad. The red Ferrari? Yeah, man, white. It was white. Magnum T, I had the red one. They had the white one. The had a Rolex. I said, Man, look here, man. Football was there for me, Ocho. Actually, I was better in basketball and track and field than I was in football, but because my brother played football.

You were better at track and field?

I was better at track and field.

I'm going to need to see footage.

Three times state champ, high point trophy, best performance trophy. You know, the high point trophy means you will accumulate the most points in a state meet. I did that. The best performance told with me, I was a class A. It doesn't happen often. I was in class A, and I was the best jumper in the state. Beat, Double A, Triple A, Quad A, Five A. Can I see the footage? As a matter of fact, I held a state record until like... I had a state record for 35 years, old Joe.

I just want to see the footage. I know you got VHS. I know you got some VHS tape somewhere. I need to see the footage. I got a VCR. Show me the footage.

I didn't need no footage. You go back check to look at the records, though.

All right, I'm going to.

Check the records.

You go to check the records. I'm a Google records right now. What's the name of the school?

Glennville High School.

Lindville High School.

Joseph Grocech just donated another 200. Go, PAC, go. Shannon, could you imagine you and Sterling on the package together? No. He a ball hall. I ain't like what you're talking about split the ball. No.

Sharing is caring. You learned that in kindergarten.

I did. We shared enough when we were growing up. No. At that point in time, Ocho, now I had after I had started to develop now, because you have to understand, I'm three years young in the hills. We're in high school at the same time. Even though we didn't go to the same college, we're in college at the same time. The comparisons were there. Even when I was in Denver and he was in Green Bay, so can you imagine if we're on the same team? Now it's time for me to make a name for myself. It's time for me to show that I'm more than Sterling's little brother.

Even.

Though, man, you got this. I said, My brother can't catch no passes from me. What the hell? How are you going to get me somewhere? I said, You don't understand. This ain't college. Yeah, you see that. That's a number two, they still talking about that guy. They still talking about it. No, but I think the thing was it was best that he did. He was where he was, I was where I was. Because I was 192 in the seventh round, he was number seven in the first round. So obviously, and he was good. He was a rock runner. He was tremendous run after the catch.

You think he was a better catcher? You're a better catcher?

He's right here, Ojo. You see that right there?

I don't know about that.

Oh, yeah. I'm a natural catch on the ball. Yeah, I'm a natural catcher. I'm a natural catcher. Yeah. What two players in the hall do you feel should be there in the hall? Man, everybody that's in there should be there.

If they're in there, they're in.

There for a reason. Yeah, he's like, should not.

Be there. And who the hell am I to say they.

Shouldn't be? Man, that's a loaded question because you know if they say they're going to say Hall of Fame members, Shannon Sharp, said such a such. So for me, Payne, I ain't got no vote. I don't did what I did. That's you all job. You all critique and do whatever you want to. That's why I stopped asking. That's like, bro, stop asking me. You all going to put who you all want to put in there anyway, so whatever. Merry Christmas. How did it feel when the Ravens went five week scoreless? This is my third time asking. Hope to see you. It was frustrating because the defense ball and lights out. We didn't score a touchdown for five weeks. I think we won three of those games, didn't we? We won three of those games by not scoring a touchdown. That's how dominant our defense was. You'll never see that again.

No. Hell, not.

You'll never see that again. But it was frustrating. I think the thing that really helped me, Ray, and Woody, we were extremely close. I remember having a conversation with Ray. He's like, Sheik, come on, man. You all got to give us something. I said, I understand that. I said, Ray, you do realize they take teams to Super Bowels, not defenses.

It doesn't.

Matter how great you all are, we're going to figure it out. We won two of the five. We won two of the five. Okay, one, two lost three in a row. But I think the thing was, Ojo, is that we figured out how we needed to play, run the football, stop trying to throw it, try to beat something. Because Ryan came from at that point in time, I think the Minnesota Vikings had scored the most points in a season. He was the offensive coordinator when they had Randy and CC and Jake Reed and Robert Smith. They had that high flying offensive line. I mean, the offense- I forgot about Jake. Now you coming in there and you think, bro, you got me and Jermaine and Cadre and Travis Taylor was drafted the first round. You got Patrick Johnson. Bro, you ain't got that.

Travis.

Taylor. Yeah, I said, bro, that ain't what we are. We got Jamal, who's a rookie, who's a batter and ram. Let's use it.

And it's fast.

Big bag, mom. I just wish if he'd have really took it serious, he'd have been in the hall. A guy his size. I mean, Jamal Redd, like four, three at 2:35.

Oh, yeah, he can move. He can move in there. Yes, pass.

The thing was, even when he was in college, he would come to the track and work out with us. I'm like, What? Because he from he went to Doug. I'm like, Damn, who big fella? I'm like, man, I mean, who you playing for? Like, man, I'm in college. College? Big ass in college for a while. But hey, he was a real deal. Zach, Miranda said, Uncle Ocho, love you guys. Such an inspiration. Feel like you guys are my own uncles. Been supporting since the beginning. Best Christmas game you guys have seen. Hope you and your family have an amazing Christmas. Damn.

Best Christmas game? That's a good one.

Because I don't really remember no Christmas games.

Oh, yeah, I don't remember off the top of my head. I know we got one tomorrow night. I know that. Well, today actually.

Hopefully, it's a very, very good one. I want to see a bomb burner.

Who you got? Who you got?

I took the 49th of the home. Yeah, okay. I took the 49th of the home.

All right.

Disk a returning donated 50, that I said, pray for the suffering in Gaza. Love you, Ankinocho. Do you think tie to have been game-plan out of the modern NFL? Hell, no. Do you see, Kelsey? You see, Leporte? You see, Hawkinson? Fredrickson from Dallas? No.

What's the one? From Chicago.

Oh, you got.

No.

They're being used more now than ever before. Because when I played, there are like two or three of them. Me, early on it was me, Bret Jones, Nova Check, and.

Ben Co. Hey, J. Novochek. I forgot about Jay.

When back in the late '70s, early '80s, it was basically Aussie and Kelly. That was it. It was one or two. Now you got Kelsey, you got Laporte, you got Hawkinson, you got Kiddle, you got Mark Andrews. There's more of them doing what that only a handful can do when I play. No, they've been game playing in because they're so skilled now. L. A. Valescos, Merry Christmas from Orlando, Unconocho, my wife, Anal. I love watching and listening to you guys. We appreciate both of you for always showing up and putting on a great show. Eli, I said, Ellie, Eli, Eli, let's go. Thank you, Eli. I really appreciate that support. Make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We really, really appreciate that. Lee, Nelson B said, Unconocho, happy holidays. You all are my heroes. You see basketball players, rappers getting friendly, do football players, get celebrity friendly or are you all more blue-collar amongst yourselves? No, hell, man. You see how the joke is trading jerseys now?

But.

I think they're going to cut some of that out because I think they're charging $400 for every jersey they trade. Now, spending $5,000 on jerseys.

No.

More than that. Seven thousand. Four hundred a game, 10 games, that's 4,000. Then another seven games, and all that. Oh, yeah, they put it almost $7,000 for jerseys. But you ain't supposed to have... By the time you retire, you will have 150 jerseys.

You want.

Everybody.

Jersey. Jersey, yeah. I mean, depending on who it is. You have some people that play together in college. You have some people that are friends from childhood friends and you want to exchange jerseys, but just exchanging jerseys just to exchange? Yeah.

Hey, do that in the locker room. Do that. Do that in the hallway. You don't like.

To exchange jerseys? You don't exchange jerseys with nobody when you play? No? No.

Td and I traded Probo jerseys.

I'm talking about regular season. You have.

To get- Me and Ray traded my last year in Denver, Ray and I traded. I went back to Baltimore, played in Baltimore, and he and I exchanged jerseys. He's the only player jersey I got. I don't even got my brother's jersey.

But.

No.

That's crazy.

Quantez says, Uncle Nocho, this show is entertaining, but you all have reignited a fire in me to do better in life. God bless you all and thank you. Also, I'm a powerlift. I'm curious to know what you all workout split. The most I've ever benched is 470 pounds. The most I've ever deadlift was about 600. Most I've ever squatted was about 570. But I was a wide receiver doing that.

Right. The most I've ever bench was, I think, 315, maybe twice. I'm not sure if that counts. Somebody touched the bar. The most I've squatted was 675.

125?

No, I squad with nick Chubb. No.

Me.

And Chubb's quite the same. We've got the same weight. Dumbbell press. I like doing dumbbell presses for some reason. I mean, the most I've been able to do- Would you do 75? No, about 150. When I'm in my... What's the word I'm.

Looking for? You are not going to do no 150s. I want to see you do hundreds.

Remember I sent you the picture where I was big as hell during that time?

I can get you a one on five. I can get you one on five.

No, I was doing 150s. I'm not playing. You can fight. The footage is still up on Twitter. No, it ain't up there. I'm not doing the 150s. I just don't know how.

To- Did they send you when I jumped over Al Harris?

They sent it to me. I told him. Al look like a little kid, man.

Did I jump over him, though?

Yeah, that was dope. I was dope.

How many tidings you know run and come back? Name a tideon that you think could run a comeback.

Wait, you weren't a receiver?

I was a tie-din. Thank you. But you ain't answering the question. What tie-day and currently playing that you believe can run a comeback on the corner?

Right now?

Yes. Take your time.

They ain't got nobody out there like that. Ain't anybody got the speed to get in there and go, God, they get somebody up off of them. My bad.

Yeah, I closed that. I eat that cushion up in a hurry, Ocho.

That.

Thing ain't no... That's it. You see that stop. You see that stop. I'm coming up out of that thing. Probably through a hot. I had to go up there, get a head back, spread the legs. He go right up on my face.

That was... Yeah.

You thought it.

Listen, I'm a visual. I'm all about the visual. If I can't see it, you might say it, but I need to see it so I get a better understanding of what you're talking about. Because then if I don't see it and if you ain't got no footage, I think you're lying.

Lying for what?

I'm just saying.

Run a speed out. What time did you run? I'm talking about a speed out. Ten roll to twelve. I ain't talking about stopping, breaking out like you run... I feel like, yeah, you said, oh, you hurt. Oh, man, what you know about ten roll to twelve? Run the bang outside foot back. Back with the thing here to seven...

Seven steps. Bar right there on your chest. Okay. I need to see. I need to see footage, though.

Run the over. I run it all. I can run it all. Run, shake, yeah.

I need to see footage. I'm going to go onI'm going to go on YouTube.

This thing is crazy. Crazy, O-show. Can you imagine if I was in today's game and they couldn't touch because all that clutch and grabbing, they don't allow now all the.

Incidental content.

I eat the boys, they're like catfish. Read them like the morning paper. They can't be with the O-choh.

Yeah. That's crazy. Merry Christmas, people.

I.

Hope you all got me a gift.

You know what you think? What you think, real got you?

You know what? Well, I don't know. But if she know me as everybody else know me, there are about three things that you know I love. You know I love cigarettes.

You.

Know I love gaming, but I have everything that a gamer could have or want. So it can't be anything in that area. Damn, that's a good one because I don't really want that. I love tank tops. Tank Tops. Tank Tops, White T's.

Yeah, we know you love Prison Guard, Dickey.

You can't have enough. You can't have enough white teas. I love dickkees. I love dickkies because those are the things that I'm going to actually use and wear, not getting a Christmas gift. You get it, you smile at it, and you set it somewhere, and you'd never get worn and never use. Those are things I'm actually going to put to use. Socks. I love socks. It's weird. I'm very simple, man.

Bro, you're talking like you had a homeless shelter. Talking about socks and teeth. The only thing that you donate to shelters.

No, I'm just telling you the stuff that is weird. You know me. I ain't into all that flashy shit and high-end stuff.

You know what? I'm a fan. I would need somebody to buy me a Patech.

A who? A Patech.

A Patech Philippe.

What car is that?

It's a watch.

Oh, I know who you're talking about. I know who you're talking about. I got the I'm going to try to put my.

Face a little bit. Yeah, I need that. What do you call the board? The AP.

Yeah, you better than.

Me, boy. You got an AP? I saw it on your wrist. See how you be lying? You can't fool me. I don't know why. I thought you were going to lie. I wouldn't lie to you. I'm not for you. I wouldn't lie to you.

I know, but I ain't say it. I ain't used my saying. Not only when I say that, I'm not lying.

But you're not supposed to lie to me.

I forgot. I got an AP, though.

You ain't forgot. I forgot. Oh, you forgot that. Of all the things you can forget, you forgot you got.

An AP. Yeah, because I don't really value watches like that. That was something that she thought I would have liked, and she helped me with that purchase.

So... I'm not. Damn, we must be nice. We just have to find somebody to help me with the purchase?

I mean, listen, you got them lined up. You just ain't paying no mind. You got them lined up. You just ain't paying no mind. There's only so much I can do. Like I told you, I could lead a horse to water, but I can't make him drink.

Ain't no water in the trough.

It's.

Water now. You tell me it's a trough? You're trying to tell me it ain't.

Trust me, it's water in there. You're not looking. You're not looking. The water is there. It ain't nothing to get wet.

Yeah.

I can't wait to see my baby. I can't wait to see her open up to you. Gifts, man.

For your daughter? What?

I've seen it before. Obviously, most of my kids are grown. They're older now. But it's just-.

The excitement that they have.

Yeah, because she's one. We got technology, I got the camera. I just I can't wait. I'm excited. I can't wait. When we get off, I got to drive to the big house. I want to wake her up just to open one. Just open one. I just want to see what happen. No. Ray, are you still up?

No, Ray, say she's asleep.

I'm excited.

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Every day, listen, every day you open them eyes, there's a reason to celebrate and be thankful.

Yeah. Every day. You know, let me put it there. Bet you all don't know what these are.

Them shoes. Them joints. Them 11s.

They ain't no 11s. Yeah, it is. No.

That's a size 11.

I'm a 13.

Oh, my bad. But your foot, that shoe looks small.

Nah, what shoe is this? Nah, huh? Nah, ain't nobody here.

I don't know about that. I don't know about Jordans. If it ain't one. Merry Christmas. I love you all.

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