Grow your nursing career with Resilience Health care. We pride ourselves on creating a workspace where nurses can thrive. With 24 hours support, over 40 training courses available, and flexible hours. Plus, our nurses work on a one-on-one basis with our clients. We're currently looking for nurses with at least 12 months experience. Whether you're looking for extra shifts or a whole new role, we've got opportunities for you. Grow your career at Resilience. Ie. Resilience Health care. The power of possible. Hi, friends. I'm Danielle Robay. And I'm Simone Voice. And we're here to introduce you to The Bright Side, a new daily podcast that's guaranteed to light up your day. Every weekday, we're bringing you conversations about culture, the latest trends, inspiration, and so much more. We'll hear from celebrities, authors, experts, and listeners like you. Whether it's relationships, friend advice, or figuring out how to navigate life's transitions, big and small, we'll talk through it together. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine every weekday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. In the '90s, New York Detective Louis Scarsella locked up the worst criminals. Putting bad guys away. There's no feeling like it.

Then Jailhouse Lawyers took aim, led by Derek Hamilton. Scarsella took me to the precinct. In a ride. 20 men eventually walked free. Now, in the Burden podcast, after a decade of silence, Louis Scarsella finally tells his story, and so does Derek Hamilton. Listen to The Burden on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. At the end of the last episode, a source told us about a guy named Mike, allegedly at a dance with Dana, and a sinking feeling she had that Mike was going to do something very bad to Dana. While you can't spend much time in the world of true crime without learning that, you should definitely listen to your gut. A sinking feeling is not evidence of wrongdoing, and it means nothing in the scope of Dana's murder investigation. At best, it's hearsay. If my source would have stopped there, however, we could write off the information as coming from an an over-excited teenager wanting to be caught up in the drama of a local murder. But she didn't. Who told you his name was Mike? Just some other people that knew her that were a little bit younger than me, that were more of her age.

They told me because I had been telling them to watch out for this guy, that something was wrong. And then I think it was the guy that knew Mike. He said that, Yeah, she is missing. Some guy named Mike was with her that night. And then I asked him, Well, what did he look like? And then they told me, I said, Yeah, that's the guy. I think he was going to kill her. And then the next thing I know, and I said, Well, they found her. They found her a few miles from that Wonderland cave in Bella Vista. My source wound up talking to a few other friends from Bella Vista, voicing her concerns about Dana, and that night, she supposedly saw her. I need to point out, there was more than one person of interest the BCSO looked at named Mike. Mike McMillon told me, I worked at the cave, but not Until years after Dana went missing when I turned 21. No way I was there that night. So they said, Well, they hang out at the hill. What's that? I said, It's up there at Bella Vista. They said, You go up there and you go past that grocery store about two or three miles, and then there will be a little dirt road off to the left right before you go up a hill.

So I drove out there and I seen this little road. It was like a Friday or Saturday night because that's where they said people her age and then kids from Gravet hung out. So I drove out there. I guess they partied out there. It was like an open field. And there were four people out there. There was three guys and another girl. I get out of the car, and it's that same guy, Mike, again, this other guy that I knew that was a little younger than me, Dana Zate, and then this long-headed blondeish girl. I said, Do you all know Dana Stitt? Didn't she go missing around here somewhere? Those guys didn't say nothing. They were drinking beer out of cans. She says, Yeah, I tell you what, you better leave here right now because if you don't, she says the same thing is going to happen to you. I asked my source the name of the girl on the hill, as we'll call her. As it turns out, she's someone Dana knew very well and was seen by several witnesses with Dana that night she disappeared. Unfortunately, I can't interview her. She died some time ago.

After our conversation, I spoke to a detective and related this information. The detective knows this source, how she can ramble and how tempted I might be to write off what she says as hyperbolic nonsense. But the detective stressed to me, Don't discount what she tells you. After that warning from the girl on the hill, My source became unsettled. And I went and got in my car and left. I was like, I got to get out of here because I don't know what they're going to do. And I went and told a few more people about it, and they just said, Well, the guy that was with Dana that night, he's friends with some dirty cops, so you don't want to get involved in it because they might do something to you. So about 15 years ago, I knew a guy who was at the Sheriff's office. That I talked to a little bit about it. I verified that she had told others about this. What she relayed to me next is the most disturbing part of her account. And you'll hear a name bleeped out. It's the name of a police officer. What I understand is that Dana went out to the Man Cave in Bella Vista that night.

The men decided they were going to trade off Girl friends, and they was going to have a sex party, and that they got ended up getting in a fight, and a lovers quarrel broke out, and that that Tittum girl got cut. And that told him to put her in his car or his truck, take her and bury her. Previously on Paper Ghost. Yes, it was a young guy, close to his age, a policeman, and he really felt like he may have done it. You don't have an intact body, but they found there was a nick on the collarbone that they felt like was from a knife. Now, whether she was stabbed in the neck. Something in my mind told me that this guy is fixing to kill this girl. Oh, my God. This is some a murder. My name is M. William Phelps. I'm an investigative journalist and author of more than 40 true crime books. This is Season 4 of Paper Ghosts: The Ozarks. Cold case work for me has always been about gathering as much information as I can without judging it or allowing any bias to seep in. I collect the data, do some fact checking, and see what shakes out.

And before I decide on a line of inquiry, I like to know as much about a case as possible, far beyond the public record. I kept calling people and reviewing all the documentation, which, let me tell you, amounts to a mountain of police interviews interviews, witness statements, official reports, and various other documents associated with the case, some 30 odd years old. All these sex party people my source mentions, that crowd Dana hung around? Well, for maybe obvious reasons, none of them wanted to speak to me about what they knew. Make of that what you will. I asked Dana's mother, Georgia Stidham, about the now deceased girl on the Hill. I've bleeped out her name, but that's who we're referring to in this exchange. It's clear that Georgia remembers her very well. And did she ever mention or did you ever meet a bitch? Yes. You do not want me to tell you what I think of bitch. Tell me. I think the bitch had a lot to do with it, and that a bitch is exactly what she was. She came in and told me that she was only 19. She was working with Dana down there at the store.

Now, she was still in school and everything, but she had one son that lived with her mom and dad She was lying all the way through. She was married, and she had the one son. That was the only truth in it. What person was she? Was she a drug- She was a bitch. I got that she was a bitch. She was. She was smart-mouthed, and she wanted to be a big person in doing things, I guess, and she couldn't quite carry it off. Was she into drugs, dope, that thing? Yes. What drugs? All kinds, from what I've understood. Do you think she was dealing drugs, too? Yes, I know she was dealing. Dana had told me that. The Girl on the Hill, along with two other girls Dana knew, were said to be meeling drugs from Texas into Arkansas. Information I found in a police report and an interview with her. In my experience, At this level of drug dealing, transporting quantities of dope over state lines, a federal offense which can get you decades in prison, the stakes become very high. Could Dana have seen something she wasn't supposed to? She'd lie and lie and lie just to get Dana out.

Dana was on her way to her house. You're talking about when? That night. I ended up verifying this with three other sources. Next, I needed to understand what Georgia thought about Mike McKmillon. Detectives Danny Varner and Mike Zdoriak would not let go of Mike. Detective Zdoriak had told the reporter, We want to show that our victim was in McKmillon's vehicle. Referring to that hair found in Mike's truck, which, along with one of Dana's hair and George's DNA had been submitted for testing. If you recall in a previous episode, the BCSO was focused on the idea that if Mike Mcmillon had stolen Dana's grave marker, then that behavior somehow spoke to his guilt. When you heard about Mike McMillan taking the grave marker from your daughter's grave, what was your first thought? That he was a little chicken shit. Why chicken shit? He went down there and he took something from a little dead girl. I didn't like the little thing anyway. I don't like Mike McKmillon, and I can't stand his parents. Why do you think he did it? Because he's chicken shit, and that's just the truth of it. He thought it made him look big.

If Mike McKmillon had been involved in Dana's murder, I think the last thing the guy would want to do is steal the marker from her grave. If he was feeling nostalgic or upset or, as Georgia said, wanted to show off, well, that would make more sense to me. Law enforcement seemed to be taking advantage of this situation in order to keep someone in their crosshairs, and that person was Mike. Still, they weren't the only ones who thought Mike knew more than he was saying. Did you ever consider him a suspect? Yes. I still think he knew who it was, where they had her and everything else. And I probably always will. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, It's powerful. That's where The Bright Side comes in. A new daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that's bringing you a daily dose of joy. I'm Danielle Robé. And I'm Simone Bois. Listen, both Danielle and I are reporters. We've covered the news, and we know the world can feel heavy. But The Bright Side podcast is a space to have a little fun, to learn something new, and get into some friendly debates.

That's right. Join us five days a week to see how life can look from the Bright Side. We'll hear from celebrities, authors, experts, and listeners like you. Whether it's relationships, friend advice, or figuring out how to navigate life's transitions, we'll talk through it all together. Listen to the Bright Side from Hello Sunshine every week Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. In the 1980s and '90s, New York City needed a tough cop like Detective Louis Scarsiller. Putting bad guys away. There's no feeling like it in the world. He was the guy who made sure the worst killers were brought to justice. That's one version. This guy is a piece of Derrick Hamilton was put away for murder by Detective Scarsella. In prison, Derek turned himself into the best jailhouse lawyer of his generation. The lawyer was my girlfriend. This is my only way to freedom. Derek and other convicted murderers started a law firm behind nine bars. We never knew we had the same cop in the case. Scarsella. We got to show that he's a corrupt cop. They could go themselves. I'm C. Fishman. And I'm Dax Devlin Ross.

And this is The Burden. Listen to new episodes of The Burden on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive bonus content, subscribe Subscribe to True Crime Clubhouse on Apple Podcasts. All that sitting and swiping, our backs hurt, our eyeballs sting, that's our bodies adapting to our technology. But we can do something about it. We saw amazing effects. I really felt like the cloud in my brain dissipated. There's no turning back from me. Make 2024 the year you put your health before your inbox and take the Body Electric challenge. Listen to Body Electric from NPR on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. When new information from a case comes in, I compare it to what I've learned up until that point. A new thread can pop out of nowhere and things can start to make sense. Or not. Zdoriak and Varner were dialed in to Mike McKmillon, but they also continued interviewing scores of other people. Mike eventually married and moved far away from Bella Vista. Here's his ex-wife, who we met in the last episode. When you guys, as the time went on, did law enforcement ever contact him again?

Yes, they actually came and interviewed me first. They took him. They had him for six or eight hours, showed him pictures, the whole graphic, how they do it. He was pretty shaken up after that because that's not something you want to see. A little background. My stepdad was a chief of police in the town where we lived. I grew up around law enforcement and all that. They showed up at my work, two detectives, and asked to speak to me. They asked me if Mike had any personal possessions at the house that had pictures of ex-girlfriends and things like that. I'm like, Well, yeah. Everybody has something like that from high school that you kept your notes in or your little mementos. They were like, Oh, well, have you ever seen this person, this? I'm like, No. They asked if they could take it. I was young and naive, and I told them yes. They went to my house and got that box. They interviewed Mike shortly after that. He was shaking picking up about them coming again. It was just playing these pictures that they said were Dana out in front of him. It would shake anybody up, but he was like, I didn't do it.

I don't know if it did it. I was able to obtain the recording of this marathon interview. Detective Danny Varner begins. She shouldn't have held up deserve anything like she did. No, she did. The old skeleton remains. That's it. Her folks still don't know. But God does. There he does. That's what I'm counting on. The audio in that previous clip has degraded over time. But Detective Varner says, Little old skeleton remains, and that's it. Her folks still don't know, but God does, don't he? Mike MacMillan responds, Yeah, he does. That's what I am counting on. Varner then used a carefully chosen tactic by trying to align Mike with the harshest criminals, strategically, in my opinion, to scare him. Mike, we interview people all the time. We've interviewed murder, rapists, burglars, child molesters. And watching you here today, you've got the gestures in that seat. And you're cool. I'm going to say one thing right now. You're cool. You've learned to live with this, and it's been your lifestyle, and it makes it easy. By the way you talk and by the way you deny. You're our man. The accuse him. They put tremendous pressure on Mike to admit he killed Dana.

But he continues to say what he has always said, even interrupting them at times to stand up for himself. You know he got you, Mike. It's going to look a lot better on you to just say, Listen. I didn't do it. I think you did. I did. If you put me in jail for it, you get the wrong guy. Somebody got away. Then Danny Varner does something we don't expect upstanding officers to do. He lies. I don't think so, Mike. I don't have somebody else's fingerprint in your car. Well, you got somebody else getting away with murder. The The BCSO did not have Mike's fingerprints inside Dana's car. They had no fingerprints, in fact. Lying, however, is totally within the boundaries when you're interviewing a suspect. I understand why detectives sometimes do it. This interview was conducted close to the time Mike willingly gave his blood and hair for DNA comparison. As I stated in an earlier episode, people like to put a face on evil. It helps them deal with the pain and loss. But as Mike McMillon told me, they decided that I had done this, and that was it. Both of you get stuck on me because there's so much I Somebody just did it.

We agree with that. It's been done. We didn't have your old brother to tell us if Mike McFill and did it, if you did it, but I'm sick. Varner then gets into the grave marker Mike was arrested for stealing. Tell us how long he was out there. Not a while. At the secretary. I don't know. It could have been five minutes. It could have been five hours. I don't know. What do you think? Why does it matter? It doesn't matter. This night, of course, had been years before. As the interview continues, they talk about how Mike's alibi fell apart when they interviewed the girl he claimed to have been with that night. They talk about how the truck Mike drove was his dad's, and it fit the description they had of the person parked behind Dana that morning, evidence that was all highly circumstantial at best. They then focused on a picture of Dana they found inside Mike's house. Still there, huh? Sure is. I'm not even taking it out. That's not a crime either. I don't get it. What's that? Well, I know I screwed up by taking the little marker deal, but I don't get where all the rest of this shit comes from.

I mean, I understand it's just a little town, and the river gets going, and everything. I don't understand how even after I walked in and said, Hey, look, I did it. I'm sorry, I didn't do it. I was stupid for doing it. That's basically what happened. Mike asked me whether or not I knew who took the marker, and I said, Yeah, I did it. Then he said, Well, hold on, we need to read you your rights. I remember that perfectly because that's important to me. I got arrested that day. I mean, from there- Throughout this entire interview, they kept ratcheting up the pressure on Mike. At one point, they raised the idea of capital felony murder charges, which brought in the possibility of the death penalty. This approach, which potentially crosses a line into intimidation, was specifically designed to scare Mike into a confession. But Mike kept insisting that he did not kill Dana. So we're going to cross in here with me. No difference. About to get me to confess to something I didn't do. Were you with him at all? No. Could you take her for a ride? No. Varner got to the polygraphs they had given to over a dozen people by then.

Mike had taken one during the early days of the investigation and passed. Years later, he took a second one. During the second polygraph, he was asked if he was with Dana the day she disappeared, if at the time Dana was killed, he did anything to cause her death, and was he present when Dana's body was left in that creek bed. Mike answered no to each question. In the official report, the polygraphist said the results created, such a pattern as to indicate he was deceptive in answering all of the relevant questions. When asked about his responses and how he'd scored on the test, Mike said, Sometimes I think I did kill Dana, but I know I didn't. The polygraph examiner concluded that in his opinion, Mike was responsible for the death of Dana Stidham. During his interview with Siddoriak and Varner, the two detectives brought up that failed polygraph. How can they all pass them? You can't. Same questions. I didn't have anything to with the Amistad instead. If you were to read press reports only about Mike McKmillon, you'd walk away feeling that he was hiding something and possibly committed this crime. But listening to him in these interviews, how direct and sharp he is, not one bit nervous.

It's clear he is emphatically denying any involvement. This, mind you, as he has poked and prodded and accused of it over and over for years and years. He sticks to his story and never wavers. They thought they could break me, Mike told me when I interviewed him. Throughout the police interview, Mike continues to repeat himself. I didn't have anything to do with the understood him's death. Did you ever do anything together by yourself? Just the two of you? No, not really. Did you ever had to? No. Come to the prom, go to the prom? Mm-mm. Did you go to the dance? Did you have dances? Did you ever go to the dances at the gym or at the Civic Center? Yeah, I used to. Every day I'm in. Did you ever dance with her? No. Such benign questions, which have very little to do with evidence and everything to do with tunnel vision and closing a case. I obtained the FBI report from the hair blood analysis, the only forensic evidence in Dana's case the BCSO says it has. Here's a quote from it. The DNA sequences from the hair and specimen from Georgia Stidham are different.

Therefore, Dana Stidham can be eliminated as the donor of the head hair found inside Mike McMillon's vehicle. The BCSO had no forensics to back up what I would call a very weak, circumstantial case against Mike McMillon. The case, including the second polygraph, which Mike allegedly failed, was sent to the district attorney. Mike McKmillon has never been charged. But why? After trailing him and pressing him for years? The simple answer is they had no evidence against him. Because no matter how much the BCSO believed that Mike McKmillon had murdered Dana, they didn't have any tangible proof to support such an accusation or make it stick. Here's former Benton County prosecutor Nathan Smith, whom you've heard in previous episodes. Sometimes in cases, there's too many suspects, and they all look good, right? Part of the problem with that is if you have one or two other pretty good suspects, that's almost by definition, reasonable doubt. And so when you have multiple suspects out there from a time where it was difficult to collect the evidence we get today routinely, that can be a problem. I can't imagine the pressure in 1989, 1990 to make an arrest, to make the arrest.

I actually think, looking back, that the investigators who worked on it at the time, probably should be commended for not making an arrest, simply because if the evidence isn't there, you don't want to start the process. Now, just stepping back a minute to the murder scene or where the body dump site. Was there evidence there? Any type of evidence that could lead to somebody? Is there something to test if you develop a good suspect? Well, I guess at this point, I've got to be careful not to get out in front of the skis of the actual investigation. But certainly, anything that we have today, it becomes easier and easier going forward to do those kinds of testings. Now, the real issue is, if you're referencing DNA or whatever, and let's just say in a normal case, is was there DNA evidence preserved that can be tested today? Because you got to remember, in 1989, that wasn't a thing people were doing. They didn't think about doing that. So I think it's really going to be just leaning into the facts more and trying to uncover any additional information. Although Mike When Mike Miller somewhat fated from the public picture as a suspect, the BCSO were still searching for a piece of evidence that could tie him to the murder, which they would never find.

And yet the entire time the BCSO so was pursuing Mike Miller, there was a different suspect they had their eye on, a guy unknown to the public, a much better suspect who was being looked at once again when all of a sudden, Dana This case took a remarkable turn. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it's powerful. That's where The Bright Side comes in. A new daily podcast from Hello No Sunshine, that's bringing you a daily dose of joy. I'm Danielle Robé. And I'm Simone Bois. Listen, both Danielle and I are reporters. We've covered the news, and we know the world can feel heavy. But the Bright Side podcast is a space to have a little fun, to learn something new, and get into some friendly debates. That's right. Join us five days a week to see how life can look from the Bright Side. We'll hear from celebrities, authors, experts, and listeners like you. Whether it's relationships, friend advice, or figuring out how to navigate life's transitions, we'll talk through it all together. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine every weekday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

In the 1980s and '90s, New York City needed a tough cop like Detective Louis Scarsella. Putting bad guys away. There's no feeling like it in the world. He was the guy who made sure the worst killers were brought to justice. That's one version. This guy is a piece of Derrick Hamilton was put away for murder by Detective Scarsella. In prison, Derrick turned himself into the best jail house lawyer of his generation. My lawyer was my girlfriend. This is my only way to freedom. Derek and other convicted murderers. Started a law firm behind bars. We never knew we had the same cop in the case. Scars A seller. We got to show that he's a corrupt cop. They could go themselves. I'm Steve Fishman. And I'm Dax Devlin Ross. And this is The Burden. Listen to new episodes of The Burden on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive bonus content, subscribe to True Crime Clubhouse on Apple Podcasts. All that sitting and swiping, our backs hurt, our eyeballs sting. That's our bodies adapting to our technology. But we can do something about it.

We saw amazing effects. I really felt like the cloud in my brain dissipated. There's no turning back from me. Make 2024 the year you put your health before your inbox and take the Body Electric challenge. Listen to Body Electric from NPR on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. It's impossible to overestimate the depth of loss a family experiences when a young person is murdered or the feelings associated with that loss as they manifest in increments over time. You see, grief is universal. It comes in five stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance, with pangs of guilt being an unofficial sixth. Dana was 18 years old. She missed out on so much life, but even more than that, she was missed. Time doesn't change that. I think law enforcement, especially, must be careful when a case runs cold. What they do, what they say, what they don't say, how they respond to suspects, and undoubtedly to victims' families. Dana's cousin, Christie Smith, put it quite sincerely to me. It was a lot of family that was very sad and very worried and very confused. The police didn't seem too worried still. It just seemed like there was a lot of things that should have been done that wasn't, that I don't believe was handled correctly.

They only kept her car for a few days, and then they gave it back to her parents. I mean, if the last place she was known to have been was in her car, why would you not keep the car for future reference? I think it was just we weren't... I don't believe that our police departments at that time were to handle a case like this. As investigators continued to re-interview coworkers and employees at Phillips Grocery, a name emerged, a name that had been there all along. He's never been mentioned publicly in this case. So I'm going to call him Jack Linnie, a local, older guy with a reputation for not only hanging around Philip's grocery daily, but sexually harassing women throughout his entire adult life. And by reputation, I mean a documented trail of serial sexual harassment of the worst kind, wherever this dude went. By the time I met investigative journalist Brandon Howard in 2023, he had done a lot of work on Jack Linnie. And to be clear, this is not the same man from earlier in the podcast, the guy I referred to as the pervert who liked dirty magazines and lived up near Wellington Road, close to where Dana's car was found.

Well, there was another suspect at the store who worked in the area and was sexually harassing some of the women. But beyond the harassment in the store, he was also following them on the highway, and he had a long history of picking up hitchhikers, harassment at other stores in the Bella Vista area, and vehicles that seemed to match more closely with what witnesses reported seeing behind Dana's vehicle the day she disappeared that made me way more interested in him and how little he was flushed out. Brandon means, and I agree, that this suspect was not pursued anywhere near as aggressively as Mike McKmillon, which raises the question, why the hell not? Let's talk about him for a minute. What's his background like? This is a person who's well-educated, has, I would say, a few degrees, but works way below their station, does lots of construction jobs, can't keep jobs very long, had actually been in the teaching profession, but potentially potential harassment incidents also derailed that career. They were also the victim of a major brain injury that seemed to unencumber their potency for sexual deviancy and self-control. So you're saying the suspect had a brain injury, and ever since then, has been out of control with sexual harassment and even sexual assault?

Sure. I mean, I'm looking at the timeline you created, and what just blows my mind is, it's not one, two, three girls over a period of time. It's five, six, seven, eight who don't know each other. Definitely. Tell them the same story about this one guy. Veracious appetite is the best. I mean, he's insatiable. It seems that no woman or job or building, as in a grocery store or outlet he frequents, has not had a story of some unnerving incident of harassment or behavior we would consider stalking, I would consider stalking. I mean, this isn't cat calling. This is way beyond that thing. It's frightening. It seems like someone... It seems to check all the boxes for a sexual predator. Going into the store with a hood on their face, standing behind the women, ogling them, making circles around the store, sneaking up behind them, waiting for them in the parking lot after work, following them on the highway, trying to pull them over, in some cases, groping them. You start looking into this guy. And one of the things that I do is I look to exclude people. With this guy, can you exclude him from Dana's case?

I would argue no. The best exclusion probably would have been his alibi, which initially was that he was not in the area and that he was at a family reunion. That's refuted by the evidence that they found that he worked the week of Dana's disappearance in Bella Vista a full work week, I think even some over time. Now, the biggest detraction is that most of the sexual harassment, if not all the sexual harassment incidents at the store, occurred in 1993, four years after Dana's murder. But we know he was in the area in 1989. I began looking deeper into this dude's life, talking to my sources in Benton County and beyond about him. I also heard there were recorded interviews that BCSO had done with him about Dana's case, which I set out to find. Each source I spoke to, many of whom you'll soon hear in the podcast, knew Jack Linnie very well, including no fewer than five in law enforcement, and every single one of them said the same thing. Linnie could most certainly be responsible for Dana's murder, but also additional homicides throughout the Ozarks. Wouldn't you know, as Linnie's name pops up on the BCSO's radar in late 1990, something happens.

Something Incredible. Something changing the entire dynamic of Dana's case. It's December second, 1990. An elder early couple, Linda and Randy Grohler, are walking along Oscar Talley Road, just east of Indian Creek in Anderson, Missouri, only 20 minutes north of Bella Vista, where Dana's body was found the previous year. The main route near Oscar Talley Road is 59 or North Main Street. Oscar Talley is off that. The Grohlers live in a small house near the end of the road. We had came home, got her dinner, going in the oven, and we went for a walk because I have back problems. So one of the deals is take a hike, and we went for a walk, and we were picking up cans for the church to sell for our siding aluminum cans. You do what you can. And on the way back, we were just within maybe a block and a half of the house. It was just around the curve up there. It was a déserted house. That déserted house was on its last legs, just waiting for the right gust of wind to come along and flatten it. Anyway, the grass had grown and the leaves, everything had been knocked down.

And Randy told me, he says, Let's look in this grass because it's wind blown and stuff, and maybe we can find some cans in here. And I said, Okay. And then all of a sudden, he said, Linda, I see a skull. I said, Oh, surely not. But I went back there with him and we saw the skull. And then on further looking, We could see the rest of the body on the... A lean two on the old house, on a concrete slab. We could see the rest of the body. If you are enjoying Paper Ghost, check out my weekly podcast, Crossing the Line with M. William Phelps, wherever you get your favorite shows. Coming up next on Paper Ghosts. That's The skull was detached from the body, and the rib cage was detached from the body. The only clothes that was on the body that we found was where the pelvis and legs were. In 10 shoes, it had... She had tennis shoes on. He can validate there was a party. He can validate that the kids said there was a scream. I'm not tuning my horn here, but I'm not apt to give up on it.

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