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So they went a combined 0 for 18 from three? Am I reading that right?

Yeah, it was the first time ever. I saw the stat. It was the first time ever. So Caleb Love, 0 for 9 from three. R. J. Davis, 0 for 9 from three. First time any two players have shot 0 for 9 or worse from three on the same day in the NCAA tournament in Arizona and UNC are going home.

Yeah, and UNC, as big as any of Those Missed Threes was Baycott's missed dunk. That's why, number one, I don't dunk. Number two, two-handed layup counts the same. Yeah. Same amount of points.

I mean, that game was incredible. Unc Alabama was incredible. It came down to, yeah, Baycott's dunk, but to me, it was more Withers shooting a three with a minute left. I don't know why that guy was shooting that three with 10 seconds left on the shot clock when they were up one with a minute left. Then, again, it always comes down to this. Baycott was an absolute monster on the boards, and he gets his third foul with 14 minutes left. Hubert Davis pulls him for four or five minutes. I think they played about even, but what Baycott was doing on the offensive glass, defensive glass, they could not guard him, pick and roll. It just completely changed the complexion of the game. I don't know why you don't say, Hey, look, you're a 10th-year senior. You can stay out there and not foul and just still be a positive for us, grabbing up all the boards, running, pick and roll. Bama deserves all the credit, though. Grant Nelson was incredible. Grant Nelson was an absolute force. Love the mustache. Double, double. Even had the block at the end of the game with 0.6 seconds left, the full-court heave.

Yeah. I don't know if he tried to miss that last foul shot. I was saying that he should just because, yeah, don't let him set up anything to run a play. Even if you're just inbounding it from underneath your own basket, just let him try to huck it. And then he swotted him. That was a great play by him. Awesome mustache for that guy. Awesome mustache. North Dakota State. That man, he should be on the North Dakota State flag, actually. He's the new symbol. They should build a Mount Rushmore in North Dakota, and it should just be his face.

Devil's Lake, North Dakota. Devil's Lake. So Alabama marching on. It was an incredible game. I mean, this is what we all expected that we'd get some sweet 16 games that were awesome. Clemson beats Arizona. Arizona runs one of the weirdest game plans ever, where Tommy Lloyd is, I think, a good coach. But then they have these games in the tournament where they were just chucking threes. I don't think they guarded a guy off the ball once all night. Clemson was back cutting Arizona to death. And then you had on top of all of it, they cut the lead and just not deciding whether to foul or not, and then having someone leak out and one with 15 seconds left, game over.

What did Rick Pitino teach us? The Lost Art of the Bounce Pass. Clemson brought the bounce pass back. They were feeding that dude down low, running that Princeton backdoor cut, and Arizona didn't even pretend like they wanted to defend it. They were just like, Okay, tell you what, we'll give up two points because we're going to go down court. We're going to shoot a three. Fun fact about the Arizona Wildcats. They have now lost to a team seated at least four spots below them in each of their last six NCAA tournament appearances. That's the longest streak since seating began in 1979.

Damn. Yeah, it does feel like every year we're like, Hey, Arizona, watch out. They're so good. They have all these athletes. Balo is a problem. And yet again, they're going home earlier than they expected. And Clemson, those Clemson Tiger's PFT.

I think Alabama is going to run them out of the gym. You know what?

They were fucking good.

It was a cute little win. Cut little win that Clemson had. You ran up against a team that couldn't make a three-point shot. Alabama is going to just score 120 points on you.

They were running some awesome offense where they're just getting easy looks at the basket.

Yeah, no, they're going to continue to do that, I think, against Alabama. But I'm going to stick to our guns on this podcast. I think they're going to get smoked. I think Clemson... Great story. How condescending can we be towards Clemson right now?

Well, we could say the teams that could win the tournament as of right now, it's Alabama, it's It's Illinois. It's Purdue, Gonzaga.

Tennessee.

Tennessee and Creighton. Houston. Houston and Duke. Anyone can win. Nc State, Marquette, I would say, but not Clemson.

Nc State, team of Destiny, Marquette, Shaka Smart, proven winner. I think Clemson, it's a good story. They had America's sweethearts. Nobody saw it coming. They snuck into the tournament. A lot of people, not us, said they shouldn't be in the tournament. But I think Clock has struck midnight on the Clemson Tiger.

Yeah. Also, shout out. There's a big golf tournament this weekend. We had Sioux Kim, tracker, give us an update. He said, Elite 8 bound, fuck you, PFT commenter, Barso Big Cat, Philly Maze. Yeah.

We've made a Very powerful enemy.

I fucking love this tracker. He's the only tracker that I want to step outside of golf because that is such an aggressive tweet that I just... I tipped my hat and be like, That made me laugh out loud when I saw it.

Wait, on Saturday, when Clemson's playing, is there any chance they play an early game? I would love it if it was back to back tweets about like, Seewookim in the rough off hole number nine.

It was 100 today. Joe Gerard for three.

Yeah, Joe Gerard. Yeah, exactly. I want to be going back and forth between Siwukim updates and Clemson basketball updates.

Switching back and forth. Yes. Clemson, they did run perfect offense tonight, and Arizona is a joke. Yeah. They just chucked. What did Arizona end up shooting for three? They just kept every possession-5 of 28. Five of 28. Every possession for Arizona felt like when you're playing in a long, terrible game of pickup and you're at 13 points, and then you're like, All right, let's just shoot a million threes. When you could have gotten a couple of layups. You're like, No, let's just keep chucking threes and try to end it this way.

They're playing like they were tired.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're like, Let's get out of here. Let's just try to win this game by hitting a bunch of threes that we're not going to hit.

Yeah, it was a very weird game plan, and their defense stunk tonight. I think I think at the very least, we have an elite eight matchup between Alabama and Clemson, where one of the two teams will go to the final four for the first time, and probably the best football matchup that you can get.

Yeah, I'd love to watch that football game on Saturday.

Yeah, they should just replay the Hunter Renfro National Championship game. Yeah.

In the other bracket, we should talk about Yukon and their Path of Destruction. Here is Yukon's last eight tournament games. 24 Sorry, nine tournament games now. 24-point win, 15-point win, 23-point win, 28-point win, 13-point win, 17-point win, 39-point win, 17-point win. The craziest stat of all is, Yukon has won nine straight tournament games. Andrew Hurley has recorded a minute in every single one of those games.

I would say maybe a crazier says that, Yukon has won nine straight tournament games despite the fact that the committee is doing everything they can to prevent Danny Hurley and his team from Moving on.

I love Danny Hurley so much. He got pissed at his player for hitting a three in a minute left.

About that, I do have a bone to pick with Danny Hurley. I'll say something nice about him, and then I'll unleash my gripe. Something nice about Danny Hurley, I think he's right on the money. He said after the game that they need to show his wife on TV more. I respectfully agree with Danny Hurley.

I like her necklace. She has a blinged-out husky necklace that looks awesome.

I did not see her necklace, but I'll try I notice it next time. I agree Danny Hurley. Again, respectfully. Respectfully. I'd knock it out of the park. Respectfully.

With all due respect. All due respect.

Stan Van Gundee.

Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, the other part is my gripe with him. Let your son shoot. Let your son take a three. I know you guys are winning these games by a lot of points, but let Andrew put up a shot with 60 seconds left.

I think he did put up a couple of shots against Stetson, I want to say. But yeah, I agree.

He's on the sidelines being like, Be classe. I get it. The people want Andrew Hurley to make a three.

I agree. Oh, no, he hasn't gotten a shot. He recorded a foul against Stetson. He has not gotten a shot this tournament, but he got a couple last tournament. I agree. Let him get a shot.

Let him get a shot. Maybe he's doing it because he knows that his son is also going to be an outstanding coach one day, and he wants his son to not let his grandson. But I feel like if you were to ask the the patriarch of the family, the grandfather probably wants the grandson to make a shot, right? Yeah. But the dad doesn't. Right. So by instilling these values into Andrew Hurley, Danny Hurley is actually preventing his own future happiness, watching his grandson make a shot. Right.

But it's tough Hurley love, and Yukon is just an absolute monster right now. Is this your worst nightmare, Max?

No.

Because if they go back to back like this, the way they're going, that That's way more impressive than Nova's two titles.

Oh, yeah. At this point, it doesn't even matter. They're just so far ahead of us in every facet of history, standings in the big East, future, present, afterlife, everything.

I mean, everyone's Bitcoin this, shitcoin that. Yukon. Yukon is- Yukon, all they do is just kill teams by a million.

We're doing like a Colin Coward bit. Yukon is like Apple stock. It is. It's like Amazon.

It's fucking insane how good they are, and they have an answer for everything. I don't even think they played an A plus game tonight. It was like San Diego State It was like 10-10 or something. Then you looked up and it was a nine-point lead. Then you looked up and it was a 20-point lead. I was like, Okay, San Diego State pulled their starters with four minutes left.

The problem is we haven't seen Yukon. I haven't paid that close attention. I've been watching the scores of Yukon games more than I've been watching the actual on-court action.

They have an answer for everything. They have dudes everywhere. Dudes. They can hit. They can play any style you want to play. They got a monster down low. They got guards that can hit shots. They just do everything. Yeah, it It's going to be actually... I was rooting for Illinois, not because of Big Ten, but because I wanted to see Illinois versus Yukon, which we get now in the Elite 8. Because if there's one person who could possibly stop Yukon, it's the way that Terran Shannon is playing basketball right now.

He's unreal.

He's out of... It's like, it's like, it's insane.

He needs to make his foul shots, though.

Oh, their whole team needs to make their foul shots. The fact that Illinois won a sweet 16 game going 15 for 29 from the free throw line, they should have won that game by 10 points plus We talked about this on Sunday, I think, that the tournament, not everyone can be Yukon, where it's like every game you roll out and you're winning by double digits. Some teams are going to have to survive a B minus game, and That's what it felt like Illinois did tonight. Iowa State's a very tough team. Illinois, like Demass, and Terrence Shannon, and Coleman Hawkins. I know that Yukon is going to be favorites. I know Yukon can probably waste anyone, but this game is going to be so awesome on Saturday.

It's going to be great. Yeah. Underwood is coaching his dick off, too. I love him.

Yeah. Booty ball.

Booty ball. He's coaching Booty ball. Throwing his ass into him, left and right, left and right. It's good. It's good for the sport. I did not know why... Is it Otzelberger or Otzelberger? Otzelberger. Otzelberger. Otselberger wears the tight polo shirts?

He's a Wisconsin guy. He's a wrestler, I think.

I looked it up, and He wears actually a medium. He wears a size between small and medium. The reason why he does it is to emphasize accountability to his team. I like that. Is what he says. It's the best coach talk ever. He says that the polo gives me a greater sense of self-discipline each day that I wear the same size and opt for that. It helps me stay as disciplined and as accountable as I need to be our program wearing that shirt. He wears it so that he can't put on weight. I love it. Which is a smart move. Then if that size becomes too small for you, then you know that you fucked up and you weren't accountable.

I do the exact opposite, and I only wear black sweatshirts. I'm being the least accountable I could be. I like that. In this situation. But yeah, great games. I can't wait for tonight Snites games. Should we do some pics for tonight's game? Should we talk about it? Oh, Hank, what do you got in front of you?

Got the Coors Light ice looge. Yeah. Glass slipper.

Yeah, there you go. That looks good.

A PFT commenter idea come to life.

Nice.

Yeah, you pour the beer right in there.

I remember that meeting when you said that.

Yeah, you do a shoeie out of it. Yeah. When your Cinderella moves on. You want to do a shoeie out of it?

Yeah, shoeie. Maybe we'll do it right before the Iso interview. Let's do that because it will be the last thing we do before we kick it to I did one earlier.

Very, very cold. Turns out ice, extremely cold. Yes, the coldest.

Well, is it the coldest?

Is ice the coldest you can get? No, you can get cold in the nice.

Can you?

Yeah. Core's light.

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All right. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Here's my new phone. That's your normal phone that you've always I have a normal phone.

I've always had this phone.

Are you wearing lipstick?

No, that's just the hue of my lips. Okay. Yeah. All right. Let me look up on my normal phone. What is it for people who are listening? Oh, people are listening? It's a beautiful pink phone case. I've always been a case guy. I don't know. I've always been a case guy. I've always been a pink case guy. I think that this is the height of masculinity, and it screams. If I were to have to lead a locker room, I would. Would you guys feel like I'm leading this locker room right now?

I don't know. Yeah, look at this. I don't know if I can take it.

I don't even think that's the right case for you.

Wait, hold on. It actually looks like it blocks the cameras. No, it's not. I bought the wrong one. I bought the wrong one. Watch this. Now, do I feel like I'm leading a locker room?

No, it seems like you're...

Yeah, it does.

It seems like you're very Gen Z.

Yeah, no, I bought the I brought the wrong one.

It doesn't fit.

Anyway, I like the Gonzaga-Perdu over, 154.5. Okay.

I love, love, love. I gave Purdue as my mega max lock of the first round. That hit easily, and it's been overtaken by Gonzaga Money Line. I love, love, love, love.

Feeling frogy?

Love it. Feeling froggy? Hank is very simple. He sees a plus sign, and he's like, I like that better. Yeah.

It's more money.

I love...

What?

Why frog?

You feeling frogy? I don't know.

Yeah, sure. A little frog? I don't understand the reference.

I don't either, but it sounds good, doesn't it? You feel a little frogy? Sure. Sure. Why don't you leap?

Okay.

Done. I love Tennessee. Love them. Love them. Minus two and a half. Give me Tennessee. Give me the power of tea. Okay. It's tea season. Okay.

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I'll be in. Not all in. I don't have any gear. Yeah, I'm not all in. You don't have any gear? No, I told you. When I moved, I got rid of some clothes, and I had one Duke sweatshirt, and I had to make the cut.

Do you have anything from like, Brooks Brothers? Yeah. Yeah, just wear a collared shirt and talk down to us.

Any loafers?

Yeah, I actually have a nice super douchey white and blue pinstriped.Oh, perfect.Yeah.

You should do that. Perfect. Then make everybody want to punch in the face.Yeah.Easy. Yeah.

Very. Just walk in the room. Should we talk a little baseball? It is opening day.

Let's talk ball. We should talk ball. We're team heads. We get it.

We'll do our full baseball preview in the coming weeks, but We should probably give our picks for the World Series. Also, I want to say I'm starting to think maybe Shoheya O'Tani does have a gambling problem. I'm coming back to your side, P. F.

Yeah, because have you thought more about the fact that when you do a wire transfer, somebody hits you up and says, Hey, you need to authorize this?

I was really banking on the forensic accountants, and I still don't really understand what they do. When I was thinking about it more, I was like, What if these forensic accountants don't figure it out?

Once the forensic accountants got involved, did you also consider the fact that, number one, you get a text notification or an email from the bank?

Yeah, but he might be given this guy his fucking account.

Then two, have you thought about the fact that to get forensic accountants involved, you have to press charges against somebody. As of at least yesterday afternoon, there's no record of any charges being pressed.

I will say, though, I do think the MLB is just going to sweep it under the rug. Oh, of course. It's almost done.

I'm I think it might be done. They're going to reinstate Pete Rose, and they'll be like, Under the new rules, Shohe did very little wrong. Under our new rules, Shohe is still eligible to play. We should do our first round of Dinger's Only draft. Just the first round? That's what we're going to do, right? Take one player. Was it one player a week?

I like doing the whole draft at once.

We talked about doing one player a week for the first nine weeks of the season.

I feel like that's going to be the dynasty recap that we did.

Just get it over with all at once?

Yeah. No, I think that's probably people are going to be pissed about that.

I think we got to just do it- One pick per show?

No, I think we got to just do a Dinger's Only draft when the time comes. We'll know it.

It's going to take Shoheya.

We'll We'll feel it when it happens. We'll feel it being like, Oh, shit, there's nothing else to talk about. Dinger's Only time.

Yeah, but baseball is back. Juan Soto, MVP, Yankees World Series. That was a sick put out from right field that he had. That was great.

Tyler O'Neill, who I didn't even know what team he played for. Our boss, Dave, texted me this morning. He said he's hit a home run for straight opening days. He hit a home run for his fifth straight opening day.Pretty incredible.Pretty nuts. What do we got for World Series picks?

I have a future that I put in drafting, so I liked a lot. First-time World Series winner. So either the Rockies, Brewers, Padres, Mariner's, or Rays.

So that's the edge.

Rockies lost by 16. Diamondbacks had a 14 run in there. Rockies are out.

The Rockies have a pitcher who's, I think his ERA is 168 right now. Yeah. Who else?

Brewers. Out.

Pods.

Maybe. Pots.

Okay. It's going to be the Pots. Who else? Mariner's.

Maybe. Yeah, they get bad luck. Rays. Yeah.

It's Pots and Rays.

Okay. Pots and Rays and maybe Mariner's.

Yeah.

Okay.

Great sports down.

All right. My World Series pick is I'm going to have… I won't pick the Cubs. They're already own one, so they might just I think. They got a hold to climb out of. I'm going to take the Orioles over the Dodgers.

Okay, you took half mine.

I've been on the Orioles for the last three years, and I'm just going to stay on the Orioles.

You took half mine. They've got good vibes for the Orioles this year. Oh, yeah. New owner.

By the way- And the old owner died.

That's true. Did you know that their new owner owns the Magna Carta? I was watching the game today, and they had the owner up in the box. They were interviewing him during the game. This dude bought the Magna Carta.

Can you explain to Do you think what the Magna Carta is for everyone who- Yeah, sure. Hank doesn't understand.

The Magna Carta is a document that was signed in England that limits the power of the king. It was like, Yeah, we still have a king, but he's not controlling everybody anymore.

That was the Declaration of Independence.

The owner said the Declaration of the Constitution was based off the Magna Carta. This is like the Ogie Declaration of Independence.

I'd rather have the Declaration of Independence, Nicolas Cage style.

Yeah, this dude is actually national treasure.

But How do you own that? I don't know. He's just a very rich revel.

He's a very rich person who owns everything else. He's like, You know what I need? The Magna Carta.

That feels like something that should be in a museum.

Now you sound like Indiana Jones, but yeah.

It's a Jay-Z song, too. I don't know who was first.

Jay-z might be on the hot seat.

Next up, Holy Grail. Get both of them.

No, that's the name of the song. What? Magna Carta, Holy Grail.

No way. That's crazy that I just accidentally said that and didn't actually know it.

Damn, You don't make him feel dumb.

It's wild. Sorry, Hank. But yeah, this motherfucker bought the Magna Carta. Anyways, my pick is the Orioles. Then I'm going to go- You can't.

I already took them.

I wanted the Orials. I already took them. You told Hank to go first, and then you went out of nowhere. You can't take them. That's the pattern of the show is Hank gives his pick, and then I give mine.

Sorry, so pick someone else besides yours.

I have the Baltimore Orioles. No. Then I have- That's my pick. Then I have the Atlanta Braves.

You got to pick someone else besides Orioles. You can do Rangers again.

No.

You had the Rangers last year.

No.

I've had the Orioles for three straight years.

I have the Orioles.

No, that doesn't count. Why not? Find someone else in the AL.

Can I get a backup on this? We usually- We got to have Hank.

No, but we got to have as many things as possible. You jumped the gun.

It is true.

But Hank hasn't given this pick yet.

I did.

I gave four. No, you had to give an actual pick. You just said a bet you made.

All right, pods. Over. Rays.

You should have said Orioles.

You should have said Orioles, you idiot. You had a perfect spot there. God damn it. Do it again, Hank.

Pods.

Over. Red Sox. No, you idiot. Max, what's your pick?

Philly's over Orioles.

Okay, Max has the Orioles. All right, fine. Max has the Orioles. Jake, what's your pick? Yankees over, Braves. Okay. I'll go Rangers over, Dodgers.

All right.

What do you got?

I got the Orioles over the Braves. No, you can.

Max has the Orioles now.

I got the Orioles over the Braves.

Come on, respect it. We all have got different teams now. I gave up the Orioles.

Okay, all right. I'm going to go with the Yankees losing. No.

Jake has a Yankee. No, he can do that.

I picked him to lose. Okay, I have the Orioles losing to the Braves. Got it.

No, he has the Orioles losing. He has Philly's over Orioles.

Yeah, you have Orioles winning, I guess.

Even though you can't have them losing either.

Yeah, you can't have them losing.

You can't have the Orioles.

Okay, I have a strike. I think there's going to be a strike and nobody's going to win. How about that? No World Series vacated.

I want the Orioles to win now so bad so that Max can get credit for it, even though he has them losing in the World Series. All credit to Max.

That would actually rock if the Orioles won the World Series. Over the Philly's? And Max had them losing in the World Series.

Yeah, Oh, God damn it. I might do an exact future, Orioles over Philly's. Imagine that. This would be a great clip. All right, what else? Anything else going on in the sports world before we watch Hank try to drink out of this?

Yeah, in Major League Base, Big Cat and I have decided to fade the athletics every single game. So we're putting a unit on the athletics. Every time they play 162 times a year, we're betting against them. Wake up, bet against the athletics, sleep, profit, repeat. That's the strategy.

Minus one and a half.

Minus one and a half every single game. They might be favored. They were favored for three games last year. They went one and two in those games, which is so sad to say that out loud.

Plus 120 tomorrow.

Plus 120 tomorrow. We're in right now. So it hit in day one. So we're up on the We hate John Fisher. Fuck John Fisher. The guy's a piece of shit, and he's ruined the team. He's made them unwatchable as a big fuck you to the Oakland fans. He's trying to move the team to Las Vegas. Vegas doesn't even really want them that bad. So He's a real piece of shit. He's my new Dan Snyder. I want that guy gone. And if you happen to be a listener in Las Vegas, there's an act right now. It's a bill that I think they're putting forward called the Schools Over Stadiums Alliance, which is basically the billionaires should pay for their own fucking stadium act. I like this. To try to not give him the $380 million. I don't know anything about Las Vegas politics or what else is in the bill, but I will endorse voting against giving John Fisher the $380 million Act.

I mean, getting $380 in I guess, can't be hard.

You don't think so? No.

I think- Bruno Mars is probably tough, right? Oh, no, he got 50, right?

All he needs to do is go to the Tunnel of Chaos. Yeah.

Dana White's got him hooked up in no time. Oh, did you see Sage You'll call him Joe Rogan.

Yeah. For every interview that we have from now on, we should just open it up with, What's Joe Rogan's dream?

Yeah, what's Joe Rogan's dream? My skin crawled because we've made mistakes as interviewers, but I don't think we've ever done that.

I don't think we've ever accidentally interviewed the wrong person, have we? No. That one time the guy called up, pretend to be Mike Leach.

Yeah. Also Dr. James Andrews, we got completely bamboozled.

I thought it was the surgeon. I didn't know it was a professor of the Department of Sciences.

Have we ever done that, Hank? I I remember I asked Rich Eisen.

It was like a college basketball player or something.

Randy Moss? I think Boover and geo. Yeah, they did that, but they- They booked their wrong Randy Moss. Yeah, I feel like they did that as a bit.

I mean, what about what Rich Eisen did this week?

Oh, Rich Eisen. That was fucked up. He went after DJ Burns. What did he say? He's like, When did you put on all the weight? Oh, my God, Rich. And he was like, Excuse me, sir.

Because he's so polite.

Do you think that we didn't want to ask DJ Burns that? But I would never ask a guy that because I love DJ Burns.

Dj Burns is awesome. The vending machine.

Yeah, I want him to win. By the way, we signed an NIL deal with DJ Burns. They're an awesome shirt.

In the store now.

In the store now. Jack Golke, who is here, he watched the games with us on Thursday night. We're going to do a PMT challenge video, which we got to figure out what we're going to do.

I think I've got an idea for it.

Okay. You want to throw it out there?

Hank told me no. Why'd Hank tell me no?

No, throw it out there.

Probably because you tried to steal the Orioles from me.

We're going to play golf with him. No. What's the idea? The Yeah. Well, Hank doesn't want me to say it.

No, I want you to say it.

Well, we're going to make the video anyway, so we might as well get everyone excited about the video. Yeah.

I think having me, you, and Hank shooting threes on one basket all at the same time while he shoots one person on the other basket. Maybe we could get everybody else involved, too. All of us against Golke.

We're going to have a hard time tracking the balls. But I'm down.

Have one guy under the hoop.

Yeah. I think maybe an easier way to do that would be... Yeah, okay. I think maybe we do that, but maybe it's like he goes first and he gets a minute, see how many he makes, then we go. So it's a little more... It's less chaotic. We can have people rebounding.

Also so that we can watch Golky just get wet from the-Right.

I want to see him shoot.

I want to see how wet the man can be.

He also says that he needs to have a closeout, so we should also just do a video of us closing out on him. Yeah. Seeing how many he can hit in our eyes.

And his face.

Yeah. All right. Either way, we're going to make a great video. All Hank, you want to try it? Yeah. All right, here we go.

Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank in Michigan State afterwards.

Tom Iso said, Why would I wear a suit I can dress comfortably?

That's your Hank.

Oh, that's cold.

That's good. What was that? An eighth of a beer?

Well, it doesn't take a full beer.

If you hold it sideways. Wait, Max has you.

He's got you covered. Let a real man do this. Let a real man come in.

No, he's going to hold it for you.

Oh, he almost ate shit. Come on, Max. You hold it up. You hold it up. We'll pour it. There you go. And he's going to pour it. Oh, there we go. Wait, let's not stand in front of the camera. Don't stand in front of the camera. Max.

Oh, it's so cold.

Yeah, I told you it was cold. Come on, Hank. No, the ice is cold. Yeah. Oh, no. Your hands. Oh, my God, Hank, this is Sounds like a five-year-old. You're making a mess of this. Oh, Jesus, Hank.

The ice is so cold.

Oh, the ice is cold.

Max, the ice is cold on my little whips. My whips are freezing.

He's sucking it down. Way to go, Hank. Good job. All right.

That was not my best effort.

Let's kick it to ourselves with Tom Iso. Awesome, awesome interview with Tom Iso. We will do a full baseball preview. Maybe we'll have our friend Jared Kravitz, or someone else come on talk to us about baseball. We have to get Jeff Passon on.

Yeah, open invite.

I like listening to him.

Or Karkchen. I just love hearing Karkchen's voice.

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You know, guys, that's a million dollar question. I don't know why I've had success. I've had success because of good players. I've had success because when we started this whole thing out many, many years ago with my team Cleaves and Morris Peterson and Jason Rich, that five-year stretch. They were like, You guys, when you started your show, everybody's all in, you're this and that. I've been lucky here. I got alums like Magic Johnson and I got Kelser. I got guys like the Vincent brothers. I got guys like Steve Smith, who Sean Resper. Those guys caught fire with our group right away. We started having reunions every year, and those reunions brought excitement. And what they did is, Magic was about winning championships. Cleves was about winning championships. Draymot winning championships. And it just grew. And so now when March comes, I mean, most people think I do nothing until March, and then I coach a little bit in March. This year, I did a lot before March, and I did nothing in March. But I think that what you do is you realize it's one and done, and When those players call back to our current players and say, You know what month it is?

It's March, and it matters. And there's no my bads anymore, and there's no mistakes. So I get a help from a lot of my great alums, and I probably get too much credit for what I do. They deserve the credit for what they do and what they did when they were here.

Yeah, it's January, February, Iso. You've heard that nickname before. Don't you wish it was January, February, March, Iso?

Yeah. You know what? I like that better. I think I'm going to try to reinvent that, but I better get off my dead butt and get it done because I would rather be playing in April. But we've had some good runs. We've had some highs and lows, but through it all, I think around here, it's important to everybody. Our plans on our lums, great. That's normal. That's everywhere. But our former players, I think, separates us, makes it special. The way they call back. I mean, Irvin called when we were playing against a North Carolina. I got the pool ready for you guys to come out here. We're all set, win this game. I really had those things, or sometimes they'll FaceTime. I will do it in a meeting room. It's pretty cool, and it's one of the things that staying at the same place for a long time and having some of those great players. But the players do deserve the credit, guys. I don't say that humbly. I say that honestly.

Okay, so you are being humble, and I appreciate your humbleness. But in terms of the tournament in the coaching X's and O's, there are definitely coaches that are able to get the most out of their team come this time of year, and some that fall short. You've always been a most out of your team guy. The quick turnaround, that's always what I'm curious about. When you have to play a Thursday, then a Saturday, and you're scouting a team that you've never seen before, and they play in a different conference, what is it that you do that's so different that has been able put your team in these situations where they've had success? Because that, I think, is a very difficult, unique aspect of March Madness, having to scout a team in 24 hours and be like, All right, we got to roll out and play.

I will say that that's pretty good of you guys. That is one thing we have done pretty well here. The reason we've done it pretty well is my first year in the tournament. We played Eastern Michigan in my first tournament. I think Mateen Cleaves and Peterson, those guys that won it were sophomores. I had a good staff, Tom Crane, Brian Gregory, Stan Keith, Stan's been in the pros. Those other two guys have coached at major colleges. We sat down and said, Oh, my God, if we beat Eastern, it was just, let's win a game. That's all we wanted to do is win a game. Then I learned the Mike Shoshesky rule, you got to win the weekend. Once you got to win the weekend, because the game isn't good enough anymore, nobody cares if you win one game, then you got to start preparing ahead of time for the weekend. What we did that weekend is we went from playing Eastern Michigan to Princeton, and Princeton was really good. They ran all that backdoor stuff, and it was a hard prep. And we said, How are we going to get this through to our guys?

So we took these 20 minutes segments. And so we got home that night at one o'clock in the morning. I said, We're going to watch 20 minutes of film so that they go to bed dreaming about Princeton. We got up in the morning, we had breakfast. We had 15 minutes before breakfast, breakfast, 15 minutes after. And we'd have a walkthrough. We'd have 15 minutes of walkthrough. Then we'd have lunch, then another. I tried to divide it up, knowing that the tension span, especially in this pressure-packed time. I think of all the things we've done, the Princeton game helped my philosophy, our philosophy. And so now we stole something from Mike and Duke. Any weekend we go, we try to win the weekend, which means I got a couple of assistants working on the other two teams that we could play, and we might not even get there. The thing is, this 15, 20 minutes segment, I think has really helped us.

So you mentioned Coach K. I know that you guys are pretty close. Do you share everything with each other? Or are there things where you want to keep some things to yourself and not let the other guy know.

Man, you know Mike, he didn't share anything with me. I stole what I got. I heard him say it one time and stole it. But he's done such a great job. And I look at guys like nick Saban who I started with here. I pick coaches in different professions that I do admire, that I do respect, because what we're all trying to be is consistent. Unfortunately, during the regular season this year, guys, we were consistently inconsistent. But what you look for over my career, I think we've been pretty consistent. I just thought when I heard that from Mike, we got to win the weekend. God, it made sense. Because after we won our first Once we got through that first week and that first year, when then North Carolina beat us in the sweet 16, after that, it went to a final four. Then we won the national champion. Then nobody cared if you won a game in the tournament. All anybody cared as did you advance? So that's when the weekend and prepare for the weekend. And some people would say, Well, you're preparing for a team that you might play two games from now.

You're not putting enough into the game you're playing. Well, we did, but we also prepared for that next, then I think that's how you win the weekend.

Who would you say would be the toughest types of teams to prepare for?

Well, like a Princeton was very difficult to prepare for. If I was playing in this tournament now, Purdue would be a different, harder team to play for. They got a monster in there. He's not even human. I mean, he's got a guy. Zack, he's an incredible size, but he's a very good athlete in that. And Matt Painter does such a good job of getting them the ball 9,000 different ways. That's a tough prep. A tough prep would be a team like Kentucky in the past when Patino was there and they were pressing the whole game. Now, you don't run into many presses. And all of a sudden, it happened to us. Florida with Billy Donovan. We didn't run that to any team that pressed. We played Wisconsin to like a 52, 48 game because back then, Dick Bennett, it was slow down and we had to play that style. And then everybody said, Well, two days later, to play Florida. I said, Great. We want to go up and down. They pressed the whole game. We attacked it. We beat them 89 to 70 or something. I think that was another key thing with our teams.

We could be versatile. We could play Smash Mouth. We could play Racehorse. I think the best teams I had could do both. You need that when you get into tournament play and you don't know who you're going to be playing.

I went to Wisconsin. I'm a Badger, so I've not liked Michigan State for a very long time. Question for you, who do you think the player that you coached was most hated by other teams? Because I have an answer. I have a guy that I hated so much that every time I saw him on TV, my blood would boil. Who do you think that was for... Who do you think most... When you came out into an opposing stadium, you're like, Oh, man, they really hate this guy.

Yeah, well, they didn't treat Cleaves very good in Madison, but I don't think they treated Draymondt very good. But that's because those were the better players. I had a lot of players that got booted at a lot of places.

So give me the answer. Okay. My answer is one, one, so easy. I hated, hated, hated Paul Davis. I hated that guy. God damn it, did I hate that guy.

Paul was a funny guy because he wasn't the elitist of elite players like some of those other guys. But he had that neck around him, not as good, but like the kid everybody hates from Duke.

Yeah. Filipowski. Yeah. Where it's just like something- Back then. Oh, back then. Yeah. Leightner and JJ. Laitner.

Yes. Laitner.

Very good.

Well, you guys are on top of your stuff.

Yeah. I hated Paul Davis. You're right. It was more about the fact that he just always had a knack for the big rebound or the big play. And it's like, God damn it, do I hate this guy? But it makes sports fun. The hate is fun. That's what I love about it. You get these rivalries.

But we did have some great rivalries, but Bo was there, and Bo did a great job, too. And it was really fun to have both be in because you hate your rivalries, you hate them. And then what hate turns into when it goes long enough is total respect. You know what I mean? It goes to total respect because Bo was here. His first trip here, I think he broke our 54-game home winning streak. So all of our people hated Wisconsin. And then we both got so good. And then in '15, we were both in the final four. And we found out when we got to Indianapolis, we were both pulling for each other. And now I'm friends with Bo. I called him when I went out to California because you respect people that challenge you every day if you're really good. That's what you need. And they do it the right way. In Wisconsin, Greg Gard is a good friend. They've always done it the right way. Yeah.

You don't hate nobody. So you wouldn't hate somebody if they weren't a challenge for you, right? Yeah. So it's like a sign of I think a little bit of hate is actually good in sports. Coach, I got a tough question to ask you because you've been known as being a fiery guy. You've been called the fifth angriest coach in college basketball. They did a poll, but you're also known as a Teddy Bear. I read an article about you recently that said that you were actually a Teddy Bear. So are you a nice guy? Are you a Teddy Bear? Are you angry?

I'm an Italian guy that I wear my emotions on my sleeve. And if you looked at some of the antics on TV, it's just emotion. I don't always do it on purpose, but I can see where someone would think I was angry. If you talk to most of my guys, the time I spend with them, how much I care about them, I think I'd be a double Teddy bear. But what I think the big key is nowadays that we're really all having trouble with is how do you be demanding and tough enough to hold people accountable and yet caring and understanding enough to let them know that you care because nobody cares how much you know. Do they know how much you care? And I think the only way you do that is spend time. So part of me doesn't care what most people outside think. What I care about is the reunions that we have. Does everybody come back? Does everybody call in in March? Does all those things happen? If those things are happening, I think I've done it right. But I can see where people... And people take things wrong. The guy makes the same mistake seven times.

What am I going to say? Hey, Johnny, would you please do it right this time? You wouldn't do that with your own kids. Sometimes I get accused of that. But I know this. I love my guys. I spend a lot of time with them. They've done a lot for me, and I'm probably deserving of being angry sometimes.

Yeah. I've always loved the specific part of your coaching career, where we live in a different day and age now. There'll be a clip where Tom Iso reams out a player, Tom Iso grabs a player, and everyone will flip out and be like, You can't coach like this. Then almost immediately, all of the guys that you coach will come to your defense. It's like, This is who we should be listening to, the guys that were with him and know his coaching style, know who he is as a person. It's like, Shut the hell up. He's coaching a certain way. That has to make you feel great, though, when all your guys always come to your defense almost immediately. If you grab a player, Draymond, If you grab a player, Draymon, be like, That guy and coach have a relationship that none of you can speak on. That has to feel great.

Even Charles Barkley stuck up for me on one. Because I think, Yeah, you can't grab players anymore. Why? I can hug them. I feel good about them. Why can't I grab them if they made the same mistake nine times? If you think that any coach, nick Saban, who was here with me, do you think any coach that, I guess, Pat Reilly, more volatile, John Thompson, that they just do that on one or two or three mistakes. Some of it, they do it because I know where that kid wants to go. He wants to I went to a Championship and get to the NBA. And you know what? I do the same thing in school. If he wants his degree and he's doing things that make that hard, I'm going to get on him there, too. And what I think I hope I say this right, I'm not phony. What you see is what you get. And they see it from the day they come here. So there's no surprises. And by the way, it has been dialed back a lot because our society is so damn soft that, like you say, they look at you getting mad at a guy.

You could even look at them wrong, and somebody's saying something nowadays. It's so stupid. It's ridiculous.

It's crazy because you are with those guys all the time, and your relationship, if someone random grabs them, it's like, yeah, that's different. But it's like the relationship is there. It's built on something. It's completely different than what we're watching in a two-second clip. I've always had your back in those situations. It always stunned me. Now, you love coaching rebounding, and your teams are always tough. Have you found that it's harder to instill tough, hard-nosed rebounding your war? Do you still do your war drill where you put them in pads, football pads and helmets, and just let them go rebound?

Isn't that a great question? Great question. When my former guys come back, I mean, if you would have saw Matine Cleaves trying to buckle chin straps on guys that are 6'9 that never even knew how to put on a football helmet, you would have laughed. But let me tell you that story. We go to Ohio State. First time all year. I think we had 24 games in a row. We had won the rebound battle. We lose it. A couple of players go off on a couple of other players in the locker room. That's not what we do here. And I said, Wow, nothing better than a player coach team, right, guys? So get back, I call Saban, I said, Listen, I need 12 sets of football gear for practice tomorrow. He goes, Huh? I said, Can I get them? Yeah, sure. Call my equipment guy. I get them. So last 20 minutes of practice, we're going to do our little war drill. So I said, since we're getting soft and we don't want to get anybody hurt, we'll put on football pads. That way you can't get hurt. So we did. And I was mad.

I wanted it to be... They had so much fun that it became all we talked about. And then we talked about it for five years later and 10 years later. And so now the Guys will say, Coach, bring out the football pads. You know, rebound is good. Can't do that, man. I get sued nowadays. I can't do that anymore. So it's a shame because those guys had a riot doing it. Nobody got hurt, of course, because you're in full pads. Helmets. It was one of the great things you get to do. It was a memory-making moment. I'm afraid that our society is getting so screwed up. We don't have as many memory-making moments. There were some guys that copied me. There were some guys that called me, ask me what I do. But those same guys call me now when we're not rebelling as well. They say, Do you do that? I go, No. Trying for other things. I don't want to get killed. You know, the sad part is Back then, of course, we videotaped every practice. Hell, I had to get rid of that video. I said, Somebody will sue me later on.

And now when we have reunions, all the players want to see that. That's all they want to talk about.

Yeah, I'd love to see that film. It sounds like a great time. I want to do it. We should actually do that in the office. Yeah, we should. Basketball court. We should do the rebounding.

You guys have good helmets and shoulder pads.

Yeah. So explain the drill to us so that we can recreate it here.

Yeah. There's five guys that are right under the basket and five guys the three-point line, and a coach will throw it up and the two shall meet. They hit, find the ball, and go rebound it. I love it. I think, guys, if there's one thing that has been the hardest part of coaching now, and I think you're seeing this, I give Kelvin Samson, who, by the way, he sat here. I took his spot. He was a GA for Judd Heathcote. Kelvin, his teams might be the toughest teams in college basketball. I don't know. He He's at Houston, so maybe he's just coming on the scene. I don't know what he does every day, but it's hard to make teams tougher because our society is so soft. You say, Well, that's barbaric. They used to say, We're a football team on Hardwood. I always took that as a compliment. That was a great compliment. But the game is getting more physical again because I think they're letting it go more. But players aren't necessarily more physical except Houston. They're the most physical team, I think, in the tournament. Yeah.

You mentioned Coach Saban, and now you guys spent time there together. Did you know when nick Saban got there, this guy is going to be great?

When nick came here as an assistant, I came here as an assistant. I came here, as I said, it was in '87. And Belichick came here a couple of times to work the camp. And Nick's house was not far from mine. And listening to Belichick the one time I went over there. I knew nick was going to be something good. And then he left to go to the Houston Oilers. Then he went to Toledo. And then he went back with Belichick at Cleveland. And then I got the job here. And then six months later, nick got the head job here. We reunited and we reunited. We were here five years together. Did I ever think he'd be what he is? No. Is it incredible what he's done? It is incredible. You can talk about having good players. A lot of people have good players and don't get it done. He is, to me, one of the greatest coaches in any sport. I mean that with respect, admiration, and knowledge. I know what I'm talking about. You're talking about demanding. He probably did the opposite as I did. I put football pads on my guys to play.

He probably put his guys in jocks and T-shirts and said, Now go tackle each other. He probably went the opposite.

Yes. Let's get you toughened up by just hitting each other with your pads on.

Yeah. I got a weird question, Coach. Is there a date or maybe even a year that you can remember your voice the last time you had your voice fully and it wasn't horse?

That's another thing that we should talk about. Everybody thinks it's yelling at players, right? That's what everybody said, you're yelling at players. The truth is, it's yelling at my wife. No, that's not the truth, did you? But the real truth is, usually when it gets in the season, especially the tournament, I don't sleep at all. You don't sleep much. Why would you sleep? That's for death. You got a tournament to win. When I don't sleep, my voice goes. I swear to God, it's not you're not going to have players. I get blamed for so many things that aren't true. Now, some of them are true, but it's not that at all. When I lose sleep or I don't sleep sleep well. Like, even now, you don't sleep well. Now, how could you sleep well? You don't know who you got and who's in the portal and who you're paying and who's going on. But right now, it'll start coming back a little bit. I think I got a perpetual horse voice.

How's that? Yeah, you're a horse voice Hall of Famer. It's always there.

A few coaches up on that pedestal. You, Doc Rivers. I would actually say Kelvin Samson. He's on that list, too. Yeah.

Doc Rivers. I work with Doc in the Goodwill Games. I love Doc. He's great, too.

Yeah, the Horse Voice Hall of Fame.

Coach, what is it about Italians that you think makes great basketball coaches? Because there's a lot of them. The Big East has been filled with Italians for as long as I can remember. But even still to this day, we've got a lot of good Italian coaches. What is it about being an Italian that makes you a good or helps you, if you have the background knowledge, to be a great basketball coach?

The funny part of that is, as you know, most Italians are not gifted with height. What the hell? We should be better football coach. Calipari, Patino, Raleigh Massimino. We're all regular, normal guys like I think, you guys. But I don't know what it is. I do think one thing that has helped me, and my father did it, but my grandfather did it. When you were an immigrant like they were coming in, you were in a working man's world. You just worked your way. You didn't know anything else. My family were working in a mines or working here and there. I think work ethic helps you become successful in whatever you decide to do. I think the Italian guys I know, their fathers or grandfathers were all in that. That doesn't mean other nationalities aren't either. You just ask me a question, that's the only dumb answering.

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I got a question about one of your former players, Draymond Green, who has gone on to win four titles, been an incredible piece to what the Warriors have done their dynasty. How often do you talk to him? And are you ever like, Hey, Draymon, maybe don't be as crazy? Because you obviously were able to keep him less crazy. I've always been of the approach that Draymon, you need one of those guys on your team that plays on the edge, and that every now and then going over the edge is actually not a bad thing because it gives your team that little bit of shit to them that you need to win games. But do you ever have a conversation with them? You're like, Hey, listen, you're an unbelievable player. But maybe don't go after everyone all the time.

Yeah, a lot of time. I talk to Steve Kerr, and I talk to Bob Meyer, the GM. People like myself In a way, anybody that is more passionate, sometimes we do go over the edge a little bit. But if you ask them, would they want to trade them? I don't think they'd ever want to trade him. He is one of the all-time... I am the luckiest human being on the planet. I coach Matine Cleves and I coach Draymond Green. I did not coach, but he's from here. He's still around a lot in Magic Johnson. There's a lot of great players, but I'm not sure there's as many great winners. Who can take average teams or good teams and be the difference in winning? A lot of people make great plays. How many people make winning plays? Like, Raymond's toss back to Steph, and that illegal screen, he sometimes sets and moves a little bit. Those are winning plays, and he didn't even take the shot. I think that's what's not appreciated. The toughness, the rebounding. That he can guard a LeBron and he can guard a seven-footer. Draymond is, Do I wish once in a while?

Yeah, he'd probably wish once in a while I wouldn't be like I am. But Would I trade him for the world? No. And by the way, I didn't keep him under wraps. That was back in the day when huddles weren't filmed because he was still as crazy in those huddles. It's just that nobody got to see him back then. But I absolutely love him. He's a versatile player. You know those guys that say they don't care? The only thing he cared about was rebounding. And when he had nine, because he always wanted a Double, Double, he knew he had nine. And he'd come to the bench and in the huddle, he'd say, Not one of you guys grab the next rebound. I'm getting it. Just cut your guy out. I'm getting it. We're in a free throw situation. I'm getting it. I would sit and say, Is that selfish? Hell, no, I loved it. I thought that was absolutely awesome. And that's Draymont. He puts winning above scoring, even rebounding assists, more than I think any player I've ever coached, it was guys like him or Cleaves, they'd come into the locker room, never look at the stat sheet.

They just look at the W or the L. And people can say that, and not a lot of people that do it.

Yeah.

Trimun cares, which is nice. You do want a person that cares that deeply about winning on your team. I think it was John Thompson, Big John Thompson said at one point, One guy like that on your team, you can win a championship. Two guys like that, you might get fired.

Yeah. I'm not saying there's times I don't call him and say, Dre, what are we doing? And once in a while, he'll even agree with me. Not very often, but once in a while. But I really I don't think as good as Steph and Clay and all the other guys, I don't think they would have won the championships without them.

No, definitely not.

Because he just does all the little dirty work that makes a difference in the end. For that, I know one thing. If you had eligibility left, I take them back. I deal with... There's always going to be an issue or two. Do I wish last night he wouldn't have got thrown out of the game? Yeah, I wish he wouldn't have got thrown out of the game. But I don't know I didn't think that happened in the game either. There were some things back in the day that happened with LeBron that I'm not sure were all Draymon's fault either. But you get an image, it's like being the fifth angriest guy or whatever you call me. You get an image and then it proceeds you. And that's not always right either.

I also think Draymon, some nights, he's just like, I want to hit the showers early. That felt like one of those nights. He's like, I'm good.

You know what? I haven't done any of this with you guys yet. I disagree with you. I did not know many nights that he doesn't want to play all I don't know.

Last night was four minutes. He was like, I'm done. I would agree with you most of the time, but last night I was like, he really just wants to go home.

My theory is that sometimes he wants things to talk about on his podcast.

So he'll do stuff on the game, and then he'll be like, People are going to definitely listen to my podcast tomorrow if I'm talking about getting kicked out.

Yeah. He's a smart guy.

He's a businessman. You might be right. I hope not, but you might be right.

Yeah, I am a big Draymon fan. I think his basketball IQ is so off the charts that people, they don't realize what he's able to do without actually the spacing and defensively being a coach. Who else, though, have you coached that you would say is underrated, that people don't fully realize how talented he was, whether it be actual stats or on the floor being a general for you?

Well, Cleaves was the best I had. I mean, because he... Urban Magic said this, Great players play great, but elite players make other players play great. That is the true mark of an elite player to me. Who can make other people around them better than they actually are? Cleaves was phenomenal at that. He was very good at that. I mean, Draymatt, when he was here, did some of that. I had a kid named Valentine who was pretty good at that. Believe it or not, in a whole different way, a whole different guy, Cassius Winston. I mean, he wouldn't even take a shot for a half. He'd just be making everybody else Then I say, Okay, can we win the game now? Can you make some shots? He did at a very high level and yet wasn't the gifted athlete. He wasn't 6'5, maybe underappreciated. Then even a guy like Jason Richardson, believe it or not, who had this gifted athleticism that he was a very humble and very caring guy that... I mean, he didn't start his freshman year, and That's like an American not to start a guy that was that good. But it was because of the team we had.

Zack Randall went through the same thing. Everybody said this and that about Zack. I absolutely loved having Zack. I mean, he was He was really good and a really good teammate. That's maybe, guys, what we don't judge people on enough. How hard they play, what they do to make others better, and what teammate are they? I would I promise you, and I don't know, I'm not with the organization. I'm betting that Draymond is an incredible teammate. He's an incredible teammate that's making a name for himself, Jaron Jackson. Just an incredible teammate and good guy and a very good player.

Coach, your relationship with the media has been interesting over the years. On this show, I think it was back in 2016, we said at some point the media is going to turn a little bit on Tom Iso. And the media, it's like a big cycle. It's like a pendulum that swings back and forth. At some point you're like, Okay, this coach is underrated. And then once you start winning enough, if you haven't won enough recently, they say Tom Iso is overrated. Now you might be back to being underrated again. So can you judge yourself? Are you overrated or underrated as a head coach?

Well, I think you're always overrated because whether we like it or not, and again, you can say humility, it's not humility. Players play the game. Players players play the game, and you got to have good players and you got to have a good culture. And so if I was underrated, maybe people don't look at the culture you develop, and that takes years. And the culture is what is good. But I haven't been happy. I wasn't happy with our performance. I said right out, We underachieved this year. I said, Why? I can name you seven games that we either led or were right down to the wire on and we lost. Usually, you win some of those. This year, we didn't. We lost them. If you win a half of them, you win 24 games and you're a four seed and everybody's happy. But really, your team's no better because you only won by a couple of points. I think I have a good relationship with the media guys most of the time, and I'll tell you why. It was my old boss, Judd Heathcote, who coached Magic. I was a GA on his staff, and My second year here, they were talking about firing Judd.

I'm reading these articles. That's when I read the paper. I don't do that anymore, but I'm reading these articles. They're talking about firing him. Once a week, we had open for the media. The media came watch practice, and after practice, Judd's telling his dirty jokes to him like he always did. He's got his arm around two guys and he's walking across. I'm ticked off. I said, Coach, that guy just ripped you today once you fired. And I said, What are you doing? And my dumb ass from the UP, I didn't know what was going on. And he said, I'm going to tell you something, if you want to survive in this profession? Everybody's got mouse to feed and everybody's got a boss to please. He said, Those guys do, too. Some of them are good guys that just have to do what they have to do because that's the way it is. I've always appreciated that. If I don't like something somebody says, most of the time I'll call them and say, Hey, you're off base on this. Here's why. They might tell me why they think. What's getting harder, guys, is with Twitter. I mean, let's face it, everybody's attacking you or anybody in the media.

They're attacking them on what they should think and say. Then those guys give into it, and then they go to us. I have practice open once a week, too. I kept a tradition because I thought that way the media could see. I don't hide nothing. I never close my locker room ever, ever, never. I think they appreciate that, but I appreciate them. I just wish that somehow they could understand what's going on each and every day now because the world has changed a little bit in the last three years.

Yeah, it's your perspective. You're talking a little bit about the NIL era and the portal era of college basketball. Are you going to be in the portal this offseason?

I might. My wife tried to go in it.

She realized the buyout would have been too high, so she didn't jump it.

But it is what it is. I mean, you know what? I've had feelings about it that I don't like it. I've said it, especially the portal and the reasons why. And yet, you know what? When in Rome, do like the Romans. We don't have a choice. We play with the cards we dealt. I've said this on many of shows, and I've said it many times, and I won't say a lot about it because it always gets me in trouble. But I will say this, at the end At the end of the day, the majority of kids, players, I think are going to lose out. Now, there'll be a few that it works out for, but the majority... I mean, we're going to have over 2,000 wasn't in the portal. Guys are now doing it two and three and even four times. Where are they going to have to go back to later on? You love Wisconsin. Would you love Wisconsin if you went to Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern for your career, would you love Wisconsin? I don't know. That's yet to be seen. But I honestly believe that I think a lot of players are going to make bad decisions and not learn how to fight through sometimes.

If I told you how many guys would have left here after one year in my career, I'd have to count them on 27 hands. It's just part of the deal. Now, those same guys are my biggest advocates and had the most fun. There's always a time to transfer, guys. Every place isn't for everybody. But the way we've made it so easy, I think, is going to be detrimental to the player more than it is the coach. Coaches are going to lose their jobs. But that's okay because as some people say, we make a lot of money, and we do, but we have a lot of responsibility and work a lot of hours, too.

I'm hoping, as a diehard fan of college sports, that it's a pendulum swing that for the longest time, the transfer rules were bad. They were bad, where kids had to sit out a year. They were too restrictive. Then the pendulum has swung where there's a little too much freedom.

So when you have to sit out a year. Remember now, 1% are going to the NBA or NFL. Did you hear me? 1%. That means 99% of the kids need their degrees. So it is a shame that we're punishing a guy by making him go to school a year and sit out and maybe get stronger, maybe get better, maybe get smarter, maybe get ahead academically, and maybe when he's done with four years, he actually graduates because in basketball, I think it's 96% Kids are never going to play again. There's 4% in basketball that can play in Europe and G League and Canada and football. I guess now there's a new league, so maybe they'll get 2% of the way. But most of those kids are never going to play again. Are we really punishing them by telling them they got to sit out and get better and get smarter and get their academics on track. I know some guys that set out for me. I had a kid, Morris Peterson, that would never been a pro. It wasn't for the fifth year. I understand the modern day. I agree with you, but there's unintended consequences to a lot of these things.

I'm going to do what they said. I'm done bitching about it. I'm just going to do my job. But I'm just telling you, the majority of kids aren't going to have a place to go to. They transferred three and four times.

We agree because I actually think the pendulum swung too far, where it's now too easy and guys are the first moment of hardship. They're like, I'm out. I'm hoping that we'll find a balance somewhere in the next few years where we'll level back to a spot where people can have the freedom of movement, but there's also a lot more guys staying, sticking it out. It's better for the school. It's better for the fans. It's better for the player. I do think that there is that middle ground that we hopefully will find.

Yeah. I think if a coach leaves, that a player should be able to. I mean, you'd like to say they go for this school, but I understand that part. And yet, don't think like people that coaches can just leave when they want either. I mean, I've had my times when I was offered jobs that would have cost me $7, $8 million to buy out. I mean, it's... I don't know. I struggle with that, too, when people say, Well, Coach, can leave. I put in 40 years here. Should you be able to do something different than somebody that just started it yesterday? I mean, to me, you should. But I am arguing it no more, guys. I've lost that battle. That train has left.

Yeah, You're adapting. Yeah, you're adapting. All right, so, Coach, this has been awesome. I have one last question. It's a rowback question. Robackk. Com, promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback. Com. Talking about this tournament. I know we're going to run this tomorrow, so four of the sweet 16 games have already been played. But from your perspective, you played a lot of these teams. You obviously played Purdue a bunch. I think you played Alabama last year. You played Arizona this year, Duke this year. Like, Who do you think is the team that you're looking at? You're like, this team has everything, and they're playing the ball that will get them to the final four and to cut the nets down.

Well, we just played North Carolina, too, and I was impressed with some of the pieces they have. I don't want to be prejudiced to produce since they're in the league. But when you got a center, and that Smith kid has really played well. Then they got shooters like Lawyer and Gillis has become a very good shooter I have not seen Houston in person. I know Kelvin, and I know I've seen some of their personnel, and anybody that's as tough as that, I think, has a chance. We played Arizona early, we played Duke early. We played Illinois, another team that has actually come on. But I think Purdue has the best chance because of what happened to them last year. They've got the best West, rallying point, and they've got a player of the year. To deal with him on a second day is hard. It'll be interesting to see how they do, whether they play the night or tomorrow night, I guess it is. They got Gonzaga tomorrow night, I think. But I think if I looked at four or five teams, Carolina has got to be one of them. Arizona has got to be.

Purdue has got to be. It sounds like it's just the one seeds.

Who would be- And Yukon. Has just been rolling. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yukon, right now, from what I've seen, is the best overall team, and it'll be a hell of a battle if it's them and Purdue. And then you take Houston. I mean, they can beat you different ways. They can score a lot of points, or they could beat you 39, 35. I swear they can. I mean, they can tighten the screws down. Those would be the top five or six teams. That doesn't mean a team like Alabama who shoots 100 threes might be hot and win a game. That doesn't mean that Gonzaga and the job Mark Few has done couldn't work out. I don't know. There's a lot Right now, the one thing I do know about this tournament in the last two, three years, flip a coin. Something strange is going to happen. Probably teams that you thought would get out of tomorrow night aren't going to get out. Teams that tomorrow night aren't going to get out. And yet some years it's chalk and everybody gets there. I think when you're in a final four with three ones and a two, that's odd. We've been a seven and been in a final four. So I don't know, guys.

I'm not the expert. I'm not gambling on it, but you guys can't be. And you guys have been great. I appreciate you having me on. Maybe who knows? Maybe we'll do it again as the tournament goes since I have some unfortunately at off time right now.

Yeah. We have to have you. Next time you're in Chicago, we'd love to have you come by the office because we have a full-court basketball court. It actually would be great if you took us through the wardrobe. That's what we should do. Because you can do it with us. We'll sign a waiver.

You want to You'll sign a waiver. I can have the bear send over some football pads. We'll get added a little bit. I know my son's a big fan of yours, so I'll make sure that I bring him with me, and we'll do that. You guys have a great day. Good tournament.

Congratulations to your son for the three points. That was an all-time moment. That was an all-time moment. I mean, that was what I love about college basketball. You get guys who they do work, and they're with the team, and they're putting in work. They're not getting the time. Yeah, that was really cool. We also next year, you'll be part of birthday week because you and I share a birthday, and PFT is the day after us. We'll have you come out. It would be an all-time visual because you can run the wardrobe. We're not soft, Coach.

We're tough. I love it. I've been blogging for 15 years. I got calluses.

Yeah, the Badgers, man. After a middle of the year, slumped there, but they didn't really came on at the end. I thought they were going to make a run, and they run into the same team that we did the first year, JMU, who was-Pretty good team.

Shout out to JMU. Pretty great team. That's my team, Coach. I held myself back for making a GMU comment. You're a GMU guy? I'm a GMU guy. Yeah. Let me tell you, my nephew was on the staff there.

That shows you how dumb I am. I played him and got beat. You know what Thanksgiving meal is going to be like? I'm going to throw knives at my nephew.

I love it.

It was a great game for me.

They were good.

They were really good. Everybody thought ours was a fluke until They went about 30-something games. Now you lost your coach. He went in the portal.

It's tough. It's life as a mid-major, though. You're a great stepping stone, but being a stepping stone sucks sometimes.

Yeah. Guys, you were great. Thank you so much. Hopefully, we see you in person next year when you're coming through Chicago.

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Okay, let's wrap up with some Firefest Hank, Firefest of the Week.

I actually have a reverse Firefest. There's no specific Firefest stick out. An Ice Fest? An Ice Fest.

There's a bit of that going around.

Just a great sign for the spring and summer. It happened twice this week where I've found sunglasses from last summer in an old pair of coats. That's huge. That's huge. One wouldn't be notable, but it happened twice, basically in the same week where I put on a windbreaker, reached in the pocket, found a pair of sunglasses I thought was gone forever.

That's great. It is that time of year where you go back the light windbreakers and you're in a time portal. You find a time capsule back to, I guess, early last fall. You realize how young and dumb and stupid you were.

So you have reverse fire. There's nothing better than finding sunglasses because once a pair goes away, you're like, I'll never see these again.

Yeah. You don't know where they went, but you can't remember the last time you wore them.

My problem with sunglasses, too, is I always try to have two or three pair in rotation, but then you don't treat them like they're the most important thing, so then you get down to having none.

I had three. I knew I lost one. I knew I left one in Nashville after a bachelor party. I knew those were gone forever.

That was a good bachelor party for you.

Good bachelor party for me. Then the other two, I just didn't know they were lost in the wind, but I was like, Fuck, I went from three to zero. How did this happen? Back up to two.

I conservatively estimate that I've lost $5,000 worth of sunglasses.

They're going to say $5,000 pairs. Yeah, I did, too.

No, I'm counting in the ones that are free, the ones that are from Shady Rays. And by the way, Shady Rays does have a deal where if you lose them, you can get a new pair, which is awesome. Shady Rays is the best. Yeah, I've probably lost $5,000 pairs, but $5,000 total worth of sunglasses. Just in the last seven years. Yeah.

I don't know how you do it because I use sunglasses basically just exclusively in my car. And having to have them on deck all the time, that's fucking tough.

I find them in very strange places, but it has been nice the last couple of years not having to... If I go somewhere for work, not having a pair of sunglasses, being like, Shit, I have to stop by a store and buy a sunglasses. Yeah.

Okay, PFT, your Firefest?

That's a good reverse Firefest. Reverse Firefest. Yeah. My Firefest is last night, slash this morning, I passed another kidney stone. It's been a while for that. I think I've gotten rid of all my stones by now. I have to. I know that you had one Big Cat a few years ago.

Yeah. Oatied on vitamin C.

Yeah. I had one about two weeks after Big Cat had one, which makes me think that it was something that we were eating or drinking together. They gave it to us. But I had 13 kidney stones when they did the scan of my kidney. They were all really small, so they didn't have to go up there and shoot it with the lasers that they do sometimes. They're just like, Yeah, just so you know, you're going to be pissing out kidney stones for the next, I don't know, six months, a year. But I had another one.

Was it painful or was it just the rock coming out of your penis? You're like, What the fuck was that?

The rock coming out of my penis is not the painful part. The painful part is when it goes from your kidney to your bladder. That's the really small tube. My urethra is a cavern compared to that little- Yeah. Do you have a wide cup? I do have a... Well, I have got not a great penis, but I've got a huge urethra.

Imagine if that was like, Hey, babe. It's not long, it's not big, but the fucking hole is wide.

I've got a massive hole. If I could take a close-up picture of my penis hole and people wouldn't know, I'd be like, Fellas, how many beers? Dudes, we get horny online not knowing what it was.

You have a vagina on the tip of your penis.

I'm a docking man's dream. Yeah. So, yeah, that sucked. But I woke up this morning, I was sweating, back hurt, the whole thing. But it's gone now, so I'm happy that it's gone. But I hope it's the last one. But yeah, I think that's about a baker's dozen kidney stones pissed through my dick.

Yeah. I mean, mine was a one-off, hopefully, knock on wood, because it was when I was in some bro science and I was like, I think I was trying to fight off COVID with just vitamin C. I took a bunch of vitamin C tablets and the emergency, and then I just started pissing like electric orange, and then a rock came out, and it hurt so bad.

It hurts bad, yeah. But it's also that's the most relieving part is when it comes out. But yeah, my dick's seen some shit. What can I say? My dick's basically been to war. Thank you for its service. You're welcome. That's my Firefest. I feel like that's a solid Firefest. Whenever I have one, it's like, okay, I know what I'm going to talk about on Thursday because Jesus, that is painful stuff.

All right, my Firefest is not... Well, it is my Firefest, but my kids are on spring break, and every morning this week, I've had to explain to them that today is not Donut Day because they don't have school, so they automatically assume it's Donut Day.

It's like Pavlov's dog.

It really sucks having to break it to them. It even got worse this morning because my daughter woke up and she's like, Is it Donut Day? I was like, No, it's not. She's like, Is it Halloween? I was like, No. They're just thinking every day that they're not in school, they're like, Well, something special has to happen.

Is Santa here? Yeah.

They're just like... I'm like, No, I'm sorry to break it to It's Thursday.

Max, Jake and I went to Dave & Busters yesterday.Oh, yeah.Just for fun. It was a scene. It was the most packed club I've ever been in. Yes.

My wife took my son to the children's Museum. She said it was the craziest scene ever because everyone's on spring break right now.

Yeah, the aquarium is probably popping off right now.

Hopping off. But yeah, it's been tough. Having to break it to a four-and-a-half-year-old and a two-and-a-half-year-old being like, Today is not Donut Day. It's sad. It breaks my heart every single time.

In a few years- No Halloween was brutal. Yeah, I guess it takes a couple of years, but what, six or seven? That's when you start to appreciate weeks off from school.

Right. Because kids still like school right now. But yeah, the no Halloween Then my son chimed in and was like, Halloween's next week. I was like, God damn it, guys, we got to get on this schedule thing where we got a ways to go.

Yeah, that's a very funny way to grow up, though. Every day that I don't have school, I get to us.

Yeah, right. That's exactly what they assume, or something special has is about to happen. Yeah.

Nope, it's Thursday. Speaking the aquarium, what the fuck is going on with a pregnant stingray? I don't know. Still hasn't given birth.

Oh.

That bitch was-RG3's baby. That bitch was never pregnant. Yeah.

Never pregnant. You see, he just became a dad. Who? Pucks a tawny Phil. Really?

The groundhog fucks?

I guess so.

I thought it lived in that tree stump all year long.

In the list of animals I'd want to see fuck, I think groundhogs are very low.

Oh, I'd say high. Really? I would love to see a groundhog.

There's just so much fur. It's like two pillows, fucking two throw pillows.

They've got the cute little buck teeth. They're probably chatting away while they do that.

Watching a turtle fuck is wild. Yeah, it is. They scream.

Yeah. He welcomed two babies. He had twins? I guess. Wait, Phil?

Yeah. Wait, he had the baby?

Or he's a dad.

Yeah. He's a father. Why the buddy pregnant?

If they made Phil a woman, I'll join everyone who's been red-pilled and been like, Our society's going to shit. You can't do that. I guess Phil That came early this year. Yeah.

God damn it. Okay, so he's got two kids. Yeah, two baby groundhogs. He's not going to get any sleep. He's going to do a bad job of fucking telling us if it's winter or not.

How are they going to decide which one of his kids becomes the next groundhog?

I don't know. They got to fight to the death.

Yeah, they did.

It's the first time in 138 years. That Phil has had a kid? Yeah.

How old is Phil?

I don't know. I'm going to send you guys the article. There's got to be multiple Phils, yeah. By the way, little correction, even though I I'll still stand with my take that Flacko the owl was a slut, big-time slut. I guess the pigeon herpes might have been because he was eating pigeons.

Yeah, that's a good explanation, Flacko. Right.

Yeah, eating their cock.

Hey, babe, I have no idea where these herpes came from. Must have been necrophiliac. Yeah. Wait, he was probably going down on the pigeon.

Is that what I'm saying. Yeah. He's eating their cock. I'm sticking with full-on slut-shaming of Flacko. You were a slut. That's how you got the That's how your brain got worms.

That's how you die. Very convenient, Flacko.

Hot guy.

Flacko- Phil and Phyllis.

What?

Phyllis is Phil's baby mom.

Oh, so he's got- Phyllis?

I like that.

I sent you guys the article. Okay, I'm going to see this. Are they married? Is it out of weather? Oh, there's nothing I like more than when a zoo does a wedding for two of their animals.

Yeah, Phil and Phyllis.

Those are also the names of retro Philly's mascots.

Oh, shit. Remember when De Blasio De Blasio dropped the... What is it? A hedgehog? No.

No, De Blasio, the hedgehog went missing.

No, it wasn't a hedgehog. He dropped it. What is Punkstown and Phil? Groundhog. He's a least on all Galib.

Pull up De Blasio.

De Blasio dropped a Groundhog on its head, and it died a day later.

They got rid of the Groundhog.

Yeah, no, it died. They killed it. He just fucking dropped a Groundhog. That doesn't get talked about enough.

Groundhogs live up to six years in the wild, but Punkstown Groundhog Club, I want to be a member of that club, has Previously stated, Phil's longevity comes from taking a sip of the elixir of life every summer at the Groundhog picnic. The secret recipe magically gives him seven more years of life.

They're just giving him ecstasy. Phil Etrades. He's giving him Diddy's pink cocaine.

Wait, so they're saying that this- This is Dune.

Yeah. I've never seen Dune.

We've been told that this is the same Phil for 138 years and that it's a magic Groundhog that never dies. They're killing groundhogs left and right.

Yeah, wait, get the video. I want to see the video. He dropped the groundhog and then the groundhog died a day later. You can probably just search for videos of it. I don't know why you had to use Twitter. Okay.

Sydney Sweeney.

Yeah. Probably doing the Sydney Sweeney thing. Now, this isn't it, Max.

Oh, it- Oh, yeah. Maybe it is. Okay, so it's got the groundhog.

Yeah, it just drops it. Oh, my God. Dude, you got to hold it. And then the groundhog died. Got a concussion. Was dead. The next dead.

Yeah, they put it in the blue shed. Fucking De Blasio.

What a jerk.

All right, that was Groundhog Talk. Find you a podcast that does Groundhog Talk in late March.

It's just it's unreal that they're telling us that this Groundhog has been alive for 130 years. Shout out the Philly's retro logo. It's a great logo. Great logo. Phil and Phyllis. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about that, Max. Yeah, I don't know about that, Max. I'm a Mrs. Met man.

I don't know about that, chief. Okay, Jake. My Firefest, I guess, is a little bit of a reverse, too. It's really a good thing, but in the moment, it's a bad thing. I did my first ever cold plunge last week.Oh.

How did it go?

I have it on video. It was really...

Did you scream?

Yeah. Of course.

How long were you in there for? Three minutes. That's a long time. Yeah.

You're going to be like Huberman in no time. So, yeah, it was very hard. But those are the slowest three minutes I've ever had.

Yeah. But I did it. Did you feel like a man when you got out? Yeah, it feels really good when you get out.

But that moment of duck of your head Oh, boy.

Yeah. Of all the people that I thought would be a cold plunge guy, I think Jake was last on my list of people that don't be doing this.

But it's a good way to just cleanze out. Yeah. Get that tea up. Yeah. It's been a busy month. I've still not gone to cold plunge world.

I've done it a few times.

Actually, I've done it once, but that was at a gym, and I don't think it was fully cold. It was like the cold bath at a gym.

It's great for a hangover. Yeah. You go hot, cold, hot, cold, and then your body is just so confused that it can't be hung over anymore. I used to do it before it was cool.

Oh, really? Yeah. When it was hot.

We used to do it when it was hot. When it was hot? For baseball back in college. Do you guys know I went to a training facility when I was in college and Biz was also at that training facility at the same time? Doing what? For a month.

Who's that worse for?

Definitely Biz. Yeah, definitely Biz.

I was a college kid.

I was like, Oh, yeah, that guy plays in the NHL. Then he was always cracking jokes and the yoga and stuff that we had to do. Then it ended up being biz. Yeah, it's crazy.

That is crazy.

Biz walks into an elite athletic training facility. He's like, Yeah, I'm an initial player. I got to get my body right. Then Max is just there farting two sodas, the whole nine yards.

Max, how many times you get tagged in that tweet the other day of the guy who was like, Whoever's eating a burrito on the plane, we can all smell it.

Yeah, I mean, that's all my mentions are for anything.

I saw it. I was just like, Max, probably got tagged a million times. Is Pug out of the No, Pug still in the vet.

Okay. Is he going to have a cone on next week?

I don't know. He's got one arm shaved. Yeah. All right, numbers.

8, 40.

20. 3. 77. 18. We dance, Max. We're dancing. 38. 38.

Love you guys.

I'm talking away. I don't know what to say, I'll say it anyway. Say, Oh, I need less to say. I've all just said it, but I need somewhere to wait. Slower than my life is a modern day to me. I still bet it to be safe and sorry. Say, Oh, to me. I still bet it to be safe and sorry. Take me, take me. I'll be coming for your love of dream. Shining. I'll be coming for you, money like. Take on me. Take on me. Take me. Oh, take on me. I'll take on. Take on me.