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A very big announcement. I think Duke is going to be just fine because, God damn it, those guys are so hateable and they're right back to where they were.

John Sherry put on a hell of a performance after going shaking people's hands in the student section, apologizing. I'm sorry that we lost to UNC. And this is probably your senior night too. Should have done better as the other half of the camera craziest are throwing water and ICE onto the floor. Probably. Probably throwing ICE down to Kyle Philpowski to help him ICE his calf, which was very inconsiderately run into by a UNC player earlier in the game.

These guys are perfect. I'm so happy that they're exactly where they should be because I was nervous. I was like, coach K, he's done. John Shire, nice guy. Don't really hate him, but just that scene choking on senior night against UNC, those stupid fucking Cameron crazies that pretend that they're like the coolest, best fan base in the world, throwing shit at college was. I honestly think they should just not play with any fans anymore because Jay Billis, I hope he backs us up. Either put those people in jail or don't let them in the stadium because that was disgusting. They're all throwing shit. John Shire's apologizing, which is like such a coach Kate thing to do, being like, I'm so sorry we let you down on senior night. And that fucking loser Kyle Philipowski tripping people. Hank, this should make you happy because you should get your Duke fandom back up because you are such a piece of shit.

The pep rally was tough too. Aaron McCain was like, singing. It was like a Texas A. M. Level pep rally.

They're the worst.

What do you think about the tripping Cal Philpowski? He said it was unintentional and I think I have to believe him.

Yeah.

I mean, if you're playing a game.

Full speed, things get slowed down.

He's coming off a severe leg injury.

Yeah.

And so who knows? Maybe some nerve damage.

I said right away, it was clearly something that happened where it's like he can't control his legs. He. We're lucky that he's walking.

They should have arrested the UNC player for doing that. Kyle could have gotten so much worse hurt.

Oh, man.

The UNC guys were just giving him shit. And then all these fucking losers.

See, after the game where the UNC players were, like, taunting the Cameron crazies, and then all the security staff from Duke came out onto the court, and they were trying to push the UNC players off the court. They should not have those. The security guards should be arrested.

I'm not a narc. But someone had pointed out that one of the people that put their hands on a UNC player was actually, like, the assistant athletic director or like, associate athletic director of facilities or some bullshit title that he probably knows someone and he's probably married to a shashewski or something. He was touching UNC players. We got a problem in America, and it's the Duke cam and crazies throwing stuff and athletic directors touching players. I don't know if we could play conference championship week.

Well, the thing we should get Jay.

Billis back on to answer for this.

You know what? Nuance is lost amongst this generation, big cat. So people probably won't even begin to understand what I'm saying. But if you're an employee of a school and you're putting your hands on people from another school, you should be put in jail. And the game is better without people that do that sort of thing. So you can say all you want. Oh, the athletic directors do a great job. They contribute to the atmosphere of college basketball. But the reality is, they're not part of the game. The players are part of the game.

So answer for yourself, you fucking loser.

College basketball is better when Duke is the villains. So I'm happy that I actually.

I'm happy.

I'm happy for the tournament. I'm excited. Shut, everyone.

There was. It was just a great scene. And just Unc winning the ACC outright on Duke's court. Just beautiful. Could have scripted it better.

I'm beginning to think that they coach that sort of thing at Duke.

Yeah, there's been choking in these big games.

Well, that and the legs. Duke has a leg problem.

Yeah.

Grayson Allen just writes Cal Philpowski. Philpowski is perfect. He's just molded into just the fact that he wasn't actually injured. And we spent two weeks talking about storming courts, and then he's tripping. They just. I. They just have such a great knack of just making these guys just so hateable.

It was also funny the way that the Cameron crazies were dressed up, because I do think they believe it's their senior night, too.

Oh, yeah.

So they go hard for that. And they showed up in wrestling costumes, and then they were so sad.

Dorks.

The game.

It was dorks.

It reminded me of John Cena admonishing us while wearing the peacemaker costume.

Yeah, yeah.

Just a bunch of crying, sad Duke fans wearing giant rubber golden gloves.

It was perfect. And it's crazy that's happening in this year. Kyle Philpowski just being so hated because this is the year where white ballers are back. We're having. I saw the meme yesterday from, like, a wine aisle at the liquor store that says exciting whites.

Yeah. Exciting.

Just. It was just underneath it said, dalton Connect. Cormac Ryan and Reed shepherd. Exciting whites. That's what college basketball has this year.

Yeah, Dalton Connect is so good.

Drop 40. He lost. He lost. But he was so good. I think, actually, Cal is getting ready to. We have it wrong with the hot seat. His team's playing so well, and Kentucky is so exciting. He might get, like, can you get a job for the afterlife, too? Because he has a job for life.

Yeah, that's his contract.

Right.

He decides to off himself whenever he dies. That's when they move off.

But I think maybe just get a.

Ouija board and they can just ask Cal drop a play.

What about AI? Barry Jones made himself down in Texas. Like, to live forever. We just get an AI cow because Kentucky is one of the. Probably the most exciting team. I'll say exciting, like, not the best team. They're the most exciting team because they don't really play a lot of defense, but they can fucking. Every single guy can score.

Jim Cloudapari. Upload them. Just upload them to the Internet. I think Kentucky can definitely outscore any team in NCAA basketball, which is important. That's important because typically you can't win games and lose them at the same time. You can outscore your opponent. But, yeah, connect is fucking awesome. So fun to watch. But I'm beginning to think that I might be right about him. He might be able to get shoved around, especially on defense. He doesn't play a lot of defense.

Yeah, they lost. They lost.

Yeah. And they don't really ask him to play defense either. They just say, go stand out. There and try to get in the way of somebody that's driving at the basket if you can, if it's not too much work.

But it was a fun day of college basketball. We also had Dan Hurley. I love this storyline. Now that Dan Hurley, I think the crowds just want Dan Hurley to fight him. They want to fight Dan Hurley and Dan Hurley just does not, he doesn't turn down any challenge. There was a clip of him just being like, yeah, come on down here and you'll get hurt. To a Providence fan.

Yeah, he did that again. He did that last week.

No, I know. That's what I'm saying. It's a theme because I think the fans are like, we want to fight Dan Hurley and most coaches will just keep walking or if you're John Shire, you'll stop and apologize for something. But Dan Hurley just stands on the court after games. He's like, you want a piece? Come on down here. And I believe him every single time.

Do you think it would make John shire more hateable if he did a press conference and he took responsibility for the fans throwing stuff on the court? If he was like, that's me, you know what? That's my problem and I need to personally work on that.

He probably did. Let me look, sometimes if you take.

Too much accountability for things, it makes you actually not accountable for anything.

At have a, there's a part of you that feels like you let them down. Talking about the Duke fan base, it was senior night. We probably got caught up in some of that stuff. So, yeah, he was.

Oh, wait.

Oh yeah, here we go. I just wanted to connect with the students. They're amazing. I still needed to digest the film and take a step back. I just thought they came out and hit us. He was talking about, know, apologizing to them, shaking. He probably, he probably will apologize for all of them. Jay Billa should.

That's true.

Definitely. I want to just throw a note out there right now. We're at the point where we're obviously looking at the bubble. Some teams are fighting for their lives. Max. I know you are. You're fighting tooth and nail. I really want USC to make it into the tournament I've circled. They are so much fun to watch. They beat Arizona late on Saturday night. They are fucking good. Now that they're fully healthy and there are these weird teams. Indiana is another team where it's like Indiana, they're not good record wise. They probably won't get in, but they're playing great basketball and that's like, maybe we need to do, like, a secondary tournament. I guess that is the NIT. But just have the secondary tournament. Just be like, teams that are really hot teams. No one wants to play tournament.

Well.

The problem is that the better teams from big schools, if they're peaking at the right time, they don't make the NCAA tournament. They just turn down the NIT. They think they're above that.

Yeah, but brawny tournament run would be funny.

Bronnie tournament run.

Yeah.

You see that dunk he had in front of LeBron? Who would have thought LeBron James would be at that game?

Oh, LeBron James had a great moment, too with Genie bus. Do you see that clip?

No.

There were two women, one on either side of LeBron. I don't know who the.

Oh, yes.

And they both just start. Genie bus is one of them, but they start grabbing him and, like, leaning on him, and then you can read LeBron's lips and what he says, and he stops them from hugging him, and he's like, first of all, let me just say, happy international Women's Day to both of you.

Love that.

And they just melt.

It worked.

Yeah.

Savannah's watching that, freaking out.

Yeah, love that from him.

Some exciting whites.

Max, do you want to talk at all about the bubble? Because the bubble, it's hot right now. Indiana state losing was not good for the bubble. That was a great game. And this is the time of year where I was telling the guys beforehand, I just get caught up, like, today, and it's obviously gambling related, but I watched maybe an hour and a half of Boston University play Lehigh in a semifinal game. I think both teams are under 500. And it was fucking electric because it was like a 20 point comeback. And these games just every game matters, and every game is fun. Colgate was another one. I watched way too much Patriot league today. Way too much patriot.

Arch madness has been getting wild.

Arch madness is awesome. But, yeah, those random tournament games, you're just like, why am I watching Patriot League? But, Max, bubble watch. Who do we need to lose?

New Mexico losing yesterday was big. We need Virginia to lose. We need JMU to win.

Yep.

Okay, they're up six right now with two minutes left in the semifinals.

The bubble sucks. This is my first time in my entire life I've been in the bubble.

It does suck.

Like, Nova didn't make it last year, and they didn't make it in, I think, 2012. But other than that, I've never been on the bubble. I've never experienced this. It's so stressful. Every game, it feels like a tournament game. I really don't like the matchup. I mean, we'll beat DePaul if we lose.

No.

Yeah, we'll beat DePaul and then Marquette. I really wish we were playing Creighton in the second round instead of Marquette. Marquette gives us trouble.

Yeah.

But no Cole.

Yeah. No.

Colick's coming back.

Do they say that? I thought they were waiting for the tournament.

If they wait for the tournament for him, that's huge. But I think he's coming back.

Okay. I feel like they should wait, but.

That would be great. I would love for them to wait. They should.

Yeah, they should.

Yeah.

Who cares about the big. You won the biggies tournament last year. You were the player of the tournament.

Just be healthy.

We need a run in March.

Wait, so where's Joe Lenardi?

Have you right now, the last team.

Oh, the last.

You were in full on bubble math. Where you're like, we need no crazy teams to win tournaments. A USC would kind of fuck you.

Yes.

Indiana would fuck me.

You need no surprises. Indiana also has. There's always, like, two or three.

Yeah.

Max. You have to be like, the grinch of any team out there. That's thinking that they can make a run and get to the NCAA tournament. And, like, USC, for example. Like, any team that has an outside chance, a Puncher's chance of winning their conference. You just have to be there to take a big shit on.

Also, we're last team in before Indiana State lost today. So I've also seen that Indiana State Nova will be kind of a toss up.

Okay. So you're just bubble. Watch, baby.

Yeah.

Bubble. It just sucks.

I never do this.

Do you feel like you're too good for the bubble?

Yeah, definitely.

Yeah.

You're 17 and 13.

You lost.

And Drexel.

I know. That's the worst part of it.

I pointed that out to if we.

Didn'T just go winless in the big five. This wouldn't even be a question.

Yeah. You're the worst team in your city. Yeah. That includes a team that might be shaving points.

Yeah.

That's a wild story.

Yeah.

They won today. That was the most obvious. Like, we got to win. We got to win one to get us.

I was looking at the four games that they had for Temple. That they had circled as, like, irregular betting patterns. And two of the, like, they only hit on a 50% rate.

Yeah.

So whatever the inside information was. That should actually just go to show you that for us. Whenever we think we have an edge at something.

No.

Even when you have a real edge, you only win 50% of the time, dude.

It's basically if someone tweets that they're throwing games and everyone bets it. The line goes, I think it went uab. It was like minus one and a half to seven. It was kind of like UFC on Saturday night, which we'll talk about. But there was, like, one tweet that was like, sean O'Malley's dealing with a rib injury. And then I got that tweeted and dm'd me, like seven times. Like, dude, we all saw the tweet. This is not inside information. You guys are all talking about it. He probably doesn't even have a rib injury. But, yeah, as soon as it hits our eyes, we're the suckers. If information hits our eyes, everyone either knows or it's not real.

Yeah, we're the late adoption.

We're the last people to know.

Akron. Shout out, Akron.

Yeah.

Shout out. Yeah. By the way, so Wisconsin lost to Purdue today. Zach Eedy's senior day. He's finally done. The bad news is purdue has just got another one. They have another one. They have a 72. His name is will Berg.

I thought you were talking about his, like, ten year old brother.

No, they got another brought out there.

To dunk on a Fisher price. Who?

72. Will Berg from Stockholm, Sweden.

Okay.

They just build them in a factory. That's just what they do.

But I like that. I like that you have that continuity at certain colleges where you're like, at Purdue, they're always going to have a tall, lanky dude. And at Pittsburgh, they're going to have a guy with a giant ass. And at Duke, they're going to have a guy that tries to trip everyone.

Yeah.

And a coach that apologizes.

Yes. I like having these long term themes that I can associate with was a great.

It was a great finale to the college basketball regular season. We're now into conference championship week. I cannot wait.

Four tickets punched.

Four tickets punched.

Morehead State, Drake, Wood, Drake and Stetson for the first time in school.

Love that. Love that. So, yeah, we're starting to see the bracket. Bracketology is going also in the women's college basketball. We had one of the coolest brawls and ejections in the SEC championship, where I think, like, how many women got ejected?

I want to say six.

Yeah, it was awesome.

Yeah.

But it was great. The big girl on is a. She's really, really good. Which was one of the worst defensive things I've ever seen. Tennessee was just like, we're just not going to guard that person who has the ball, but Cardoso, who's very good. That might be the start of the championship DVD. I know they're undefeated and they're the best team, but her having everyone's back like that and just being like, here comes the train. Get off the tracks.

A couple of funny things about that. One, when she ran her over, that was awesome.

Awesome.

Two, the referee just being like, I don't get paid enough to deal with this. I'm not going to interfere with this fight. And then three, the one girl's brother jumping over the scores table to come down onto the court to get himself in the fight and then seeing how big they were and being like, no, thanks. Never mind. And then immediately gets arrested for it. I was hoping, is this fucked up? But if you gave me truth serum, I want to see, like, a malice at the palace in the WNBA. It would be see, and it would be funnier. You're going to get some. It would be a banner moment in the history of the Internet, no matter how it shook out. But can you imagine if Cardoza went into the stands and beat the fuck out of a dude?

It would be awesome.

That would be.

So it was, uh. There was a moment where I think they had gotten it wrong on the broadcast, but it was going to be just an electric first round of the tournament where they were explaining it, and they're like, everyone who's ejected is now not eligible to play in the first round. It turns out it was just everyone who's ejected for fighting. But for a moment there, it was like, South Carolina is going to play their first round game with six players, and they would have won away. But I was like, oh, this is going to be incredible to watch. But, yeah, that was cool.

South Carolina is undefeated. The lady cox doing some big things.

Yeah.

And Caitlin clark breaks Steph Curry's record, and she also remade Kobe's pictures for the big ten tournament championship.

That was a little much tough celebrating big ten championship.

I think the way it worked was like, there was a lady, I think she was a reporter in the locker.

Room that asked her, hey, I understand.

Will you do this?

Oh, I understand how it happens, but.

If you're Caitlin clark, you got to be smart and say, no. Maybe when I win the championship, then I'll have the jacket ready to go. Because, first of all, you can't remake that picture without that jacket.

Right?

Or at least a similar jacket. The jacket makes the.

That was. That was a little much, but I like it still, because Caitlin Clark gets people angry. No matter what she does, she gets people angry. She's great for the sport and she's great for sports discourse.

Okay.

I also think Kim Mulkey, the coach at LSU, is great for discourse. She's great because no matter what she says afterwards, you're going to be like, I can't believe she said that.

Yeah.

No, and she just uses. What was her quote? Wait, how do you spell. Is it m u l k e y k e?

She also gets dressed up like Cruella Deville on acid, which is always fun to watch.

Yeah.

She had a great quote after what was just. She was actually mad at her team for not, like, for the big ones not going after.

I agree.

Yeah.

Which you don't hear that often.

You got big boy. That was some little boy ass play.

Yeah.

Kim Mulkey said.

Yeah.

So whatever. Yeah, she's something else, too. Yeah. Okay.

Can you imagine being a waiter at a restaurant and Kim Mulkey comes to your table? I would just quit.

Yeah.

I would just be like, what holidays going on right now?

I would just be like, fuck this. I don't get paid enough.

Yeah.

Are you in a bachelorete party? What's going on right now? Why are you dressed like that's a.

She lives life like she's celebrating her own divorce party.

Yeah.

Constantly.

Yes.

All the time.

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He's a Duval guy.

He's like he played high school football in Jacksonville.

Yeah.

He's a Duvall guy.

Going back to Jacksonville, is Trevor Lawrence.

Going to be looking over his shoulder?

That'll be a narrative.

Hank, how long were you in love with Mac Jones for?

Probably like five. Never. I was never fully convinced.

Can I guess what game it did it for you?

The snow game?

No, I thought it was the Chargers game. Remember that?

Yeah, there was a game first couple.

Of weeks, was it not? No, it wasn't the COVID Two years ago.

Yeah.

Where it was like, I think he had like a 99 yard drive and you guys were like, he's the next Tom Brady.

Well, we went to the playoffs and I was like, all right, new quarterback.

Pro Bowl.

Playoff. Pro Bowl. Belichick. He'll figure it out.

You remember that Monday night game where Belichick was like, you're not going to pass the ball at all?

Yeah, that was great.

That was a great game.

Yeah. So are you ready to say he's not the guy? Yeah, I think you had already said it. We now have, though, the 2021 draft in record time might be the worst quarterback draft of all time because Trevor Lawrence. Mac Jones was drafted 15th. Trevor Lawrence first. Mac Jones is already his backup, and I don't know if Mac Jones, how many more games is he going to play in the NFL?

That's got to be tough for the ego, too, because they're the same age. They grew up highly recruited, going to quarterback camps. They were always in the conversation together.

Right.

He got drafted, starting quarterback, and now he has to back up Trevor Lawrence.

That's going to be very weird.

Someone that he's known his entire life.

Instantly in his hometown.

Yeah.

So Trevor Lawrence drafted first. Zach Wilson, who's the best of the class, but he also just took a step back.

I'm going to miss the Jets Patriots games where it's Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, just going back and forth, playing tummy sticks.

Yeah.

Seeing who can throw the saddest interception.

Just sucking.

Those were such great games.

So, yeah.

Trevor Lawrence, number one, Zach Wilson, two, Trey Lance, three. He's in witness protection. The second best quarterback in this draft class is Justin Fields, who's drafted 11th, who his trade value seems to be plummeting by the second, where it's like now the Bears might keep him. And then Mac Jones, 15. So there's five quarterbacks drafted in the first 15 picks in that 2021 draft, and four out of five of them, just three years or in the fourth year will be on different teams.

You know what we should do? Let's redraft that draft class.

Number one, Trevor Lawrence.

I'm going to take Justin Fields.

Yeah. Trevor Lawrence, number two. I'll go Trevor.

Number three, Trey Lance. You never know. I think Trey Lance has been out of a job for long enough where you forget how bad he looked when he did play.

Yeah.

So now it's like, think about the upside.

Yeah.

You know what, actually, my number one, I'm going to change it. I'm going to go Jamar Chase.

Okay, that's good.

Yeah.

Jamar Chase, number one. Pane Sewell, number two. That would be better. Yeah. Michael Parsons also was drafted twelveth. So there were four of those terrible quarterbacks taken before Michael Parsons.

Say something nice about Mac Jones. I'd rather have Mac Jones than Zach Wilson.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Wilson in the right system.

I don't know.

As a backup?

I don't know. I think Mac Jones might have the worst vibes. Vibes? Yeah.

Worse than Zach Wilson's vibes.

Zach Wilson, remember, like the Chiefs game, he wasn't supposed to play last year and he came in and he tried his hardest.

Yeah.

Mac Jones, like, all reports are that he's just been a pouty little bitch.

The problem with Mac Jones also he's got Zach Wilson has a lot of bad tape that will follow him around, but I don't think he has a single moment that's as bad as getting stiff armed against the Raiders and the.

Hurt ankle when he came out the field. And if you actually had to say, who would you rather have? I think you'd have to take Zach Wilson just from arm. Like, throw everything else. Yeah, like, don't even talk. Know the guys, whatever. Just like, guy has. They both stink, but one guy has a really strong arm, the other guy doesn't.

But what about this Mac Jones gives off better backup quarterback vibes?

I don't think so.

I think Zach Wilson, the arm strength too much.

He was a backup. They won this year. And he did a bad job at, like, didn't he talk to the jets and was like, this is a shit show.

He was, like, leaking information as the backup quarterback.

We have tape of him as a backup quarterback being like, not a good backup quarterback because he was just pouting and leaking stuff. Zach Wilson was a backup quarterback and he shouldn't even been playing. And he's like, I'm going to fucking try my hardest. I don't think it's even close.

But when I say I would take Mac Jones for the vibes I'm saying that more along the lines of, like, he's not as talented as Zach Wilson, so he feels like a better backup quarterback to.

He would actively see something loose in a chair that Trevor Lawrence is about to sit in. He's like, I'm going to let him just sit there so he can break his leg or Trevor can get in.

Trevor leaves some behind. Doesn't tell him that he left his wallet in the room.

He sees Trevor's wife, he's like, oh, yeah, you should have been with us last night. We were out to like, 03:00 a.m. Partying it up. What? I don't know.

It's an interesting.

Doesn't that feel like that's kind of. What, the vibe?

Well, it's anti backup quarterback.

Yeah. I think he needs to just go back to Tuscaloosa and just make a shitload of money being like, remember when I was awesome? Because he was awesome.

Yeah, he was very good.

You can't take that away from him.

They got a six round pick for him. Do you think that Zach Wilson, he's going to fetch a six rounder?

No, they'll probably have to add a pick.

The jets will have probably give one.

Yeah, they'll probably have to add a pick. But that's also because Wilson has, like, he had to play the whole string out this year and it was like, oh, yeah. He really, really isn't. Just, yeah, I think I'd rather have Zach Wilson around as long as your mom's.

Yeah.

I was going to say, like, as.

Long as your mom's not there.

What Trevor Lawrence's mom looked like.

No. You mean Mac Jones. Oh, Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. I don't know.

Is she the type of lady that you would want Mac Jones around or not? Or Zach? I'm going to guess.

No.

Yeah.

Well, you're saying yeah, yeah, I don't think.

Yeah.

Zach Wilson. I think I could be sold on Zach Wilson. Same as a backup, as this a project Zach Wilson. Here's the other thing. Zach Wilson definitely has the. Could win you a crazy game if he comes in and, like, because he's done it. He did it. Week one, Mac Jones doesn't have that. Like, if we're watching week 15 and Trevor Lawrence goes down with a concussion in the first quarter, you're like, they're fucked. Wherever Zach Wilson ends up. If that happens, you're like, maybe. I think Mac Jones, a gunslinger, Mac.

Jones could come in and preserve a lead provided you were up by 20 points. You hand the ball off hand the ball off.

Yeah, he'll be good at kneeling.

Zach Wilson, once every like four or five games is going to be able to throw for like 270 yards.

Exactly.

Two touchdowns, two interceptions.

Yeah, exactly. And I do think that from everything that's been said about Zach Wilson, he's not the worst learned. He was a bad teammate, but he's learned from his mistakes. And you remember he had that whole thing where he was still kind of blaming everyone. He's kind of learned from that. It felt like everyone started feeling bad for him and he had the whole story arc.

Okay.

You think Mac is going to benefit from a change of scenery, though? No. We can talk about the Patriots dynasty documentary later, but they really make Belichick seem like an.

I mean, I will say the only thing you could say in pro Mac Jones is the Patriots did not set him up for success. That's a fact. There's parts of this that he was not put in the best position, but still, I don't think it's like Mac Jones is about to be a multi time Pro Bowler and they fucked it up and someone else. Wouldn't you say Justin Fields has a better chance of having a really good second part of his career?

Absolutely. Mac Jones, I think he would benefit greatly if he just took on the chase Daniel mold where he just kind.

Of like, I don't think he's got.

That person where if he was just in a room and didn't say anything for the next ten years and still.

Got paid, like, hank, you're not nervous at all that Mac Jones, like, you're going to be, you traded him in division. You're not like, oh, man, this is going to suck. Five years from now. I have that. Like, Mac Jones somehow is good.

Not in division.

I mean, sorry, in conference like Justin Fields. I do have that in the back of my head that there's a world where he could end up being pretty good.

No, I have zero fear.

Yeah. Okay, other news. Baker, 100 million dollar contract, 50 million guaranteed. Awesome story. The guy was basically, he won a playoff game for the Browns who had not been the playoffs in forever. That falls apart, goes to the Panthers, gets cut from the Panthers. He did ask for his release, goes to the Rams. Basically like, it's over for Baker. Plays decent enough down the stretch for the Rams that he gets a one year, $4 million contract with the Bucks. Everyone has written him off and now he's getting a three year, 100 million dollar, 50 million guaranteed. I'm just happy for Baker.

I'm very happy for him. I always thought he got a raw deal from the Browns. So it's good to see a guy that bets on himself, hits on it. It's cool. I think he's a good fit for that team. You probably aren't in a position where you'd be able to draft a good quarterback anyways. Why bring in a new quarterback if you already got a guy that won a playoff game? Now, it was against the Eagles, who were basically the worst team in the NFL at the time.

Yes.

But he still won a playoff game. So I'm very happy for was he.

It felt like his career was teetering for a minute there. And now he gets this money, which is also good because wasn't that story, like a few months ago that Baker basically got robbed of a lot of his money?

Yeah.

Which is crazy.

By one of his closest advisors.

So I'm like, extra happy for Baker for this. We also had Jerry Judy to the Browns, which I bet you he's going to end up being good.

The Broncos are just getting rid of everybody. Jerry Judy used to be good. I don't know what happened to him last year.

Well, Russell Wilson's not good.

Russell Wilson. But Courtland Sutton still looked pretty good at times last year. Jerry Judy did not.

Okay. Breaking moose. Breaking moves. Breaking moose. Adam Schefter reports. Nine time Pro Bowl QB and former Super bowl champ Russell Wilson plans to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Our league sources.

This is perfect for a guy that loves bathrooms and loves toilets.

Yeah.

The Pittsburgh bathroom.

Big cat. The Pittsburgh toilet, which is just a toilet in any.

Yep.

It can be in a kitchen.

It's usually in the basement.

It could be in a. Also, I've seen some that are in the kitchen.

Yeah, the basement is usually where. That's where the high class Pittsburgh's toilet.

However many rooms he has, that's how many toilets he's going to have in this house.

Also huge for him. Black is a very slimming color, so he might have just chosen that purely because of that simple fact. He would have looked very fat in a giants uniform.

The chunkiness and those silver pants make his ass look big.

Yeah.

Russell Wilson just released a statement in video form. Do you want to listen to his video live?

I would love to.

The Russell Wilson announcement. It says, year 13 grateful steelers. Let's see what Russ has to say. Be careful, it's spicy.

Oh, this was smart play. I don't think we can play this on YouTube or rumble.

Okay. It's just.

But he played Renegade.

It's a bunch of terrible towels being waved around. He played renegade.

That's awesome.

That's it.

Okay.

Good job. Russell Wilson.

I'd say Russell Wilson gets it.

This just went, literally, this is how stupid my brain is. It went from, what the fuck are the Steelers doing? To that was.

If he, him and Mike Tomlin are not going to get to. I want to call that right now.

I think they'll get along for a little bit.

I don't know.

Mike Tomlin would be like, this guy's.

Annoying because Mike Tomlin and Sean Payton are, like, very similar in terms of, like, if he thought he was escaping having a hard ass head coach by leaving the Broncos.

But this is what we talked about. Because he doesn't have the guaranteed starting job, I would assume, like, he's going to have to play for it.

Every job. That's Tomlin. Every job is for.

I mean, with Kenny and Rudolph, like, he's going to have to play for his job. So it's not a guarantee that Russ is the starting quarterback. I love this for Pittsburgh. Get something to talk about here.

Yeah.

And I would love for big Ben to get involved somehow, being like, I'll show you the ropes because that's just a buddy cop film that I need to see. Big Ben and Russell Wilson just. They don't have anything in common.

Oh, no. Big Ben is a born again Christian.

Oh, okay.

He's a new man. They're going to go to church together for sure.

Yeah.

They're going to worship together.

They probably won't go to the bar together.

Probably not.

Probably not.

Yeah.

Russell does love bathrooms, though.

Yeah, that's true. Russell Wilson, a Pittsburgh Steeler. What? Crazy breaking moves. Crazy breaking moves.

Peg.

He'll look good in black and gold.

Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. I do think that he probably, that had to have at least 10% of his decision making was like, which color do I look best in?

Yeah.

Like, if I had to sign with an NFL team right now, I'd probably sign with the Steelers. Just so that I don't look, that's, that's just as simple as it could get. And then Kevin Byer signed by the Bears. Max, is he washed or was the Eagles defense so bad that we can't judge?

Um, I don't know.

You get cut from two teams in one year, I feel like that kind of tells you what a guy is.

I like it. I like it. Just because the bears, going into the draft, fill as many holes in free agency that you then can take whoever because they needed safety they need another wide receiver. They need some offensive line help. They need some defensive line help. If you can get a few of those in free agency, then the draft. You're not overextending yourself because we need to fill this hole so you can actually take best player available.

Yeah.

Byrd was one of those guys that everyone thought would be a super big impact last year. Like, he was still the best in the league. I don't think that's the case anymore.

Yeah, but whatever, veteran, and like I said, you want to get to a spot where you can take best player available. I also want to just say something real quick, and this is not specifically, this is not for any of those fucking sickos and perverts in Green Bay who are going viral on TikTok every time I say something like this. There's been a lot of freaking out this week because it's basically sitting here for two months waiting for the draft. Everything's going to be said. Caleb Williams is going to be really good. He's going to be really fucking good in the NFL. He's going to be really good for the Bears. I feel that in my bones. I know that people will take this clip and in three years they'll shove it back in my face, but I do not care. I'll say it right now, everyone just chill out. Caleb Williams is getting drafted by the Bears and he's going to be a franchise quarterback for the Bears.

You just want to get that out there.

I've been feeling it all weekend because everyone's freaking out and I do think that I'll be the first to put my hand up. I think as a fan base, we've probably overrated Justin Fields a little bit, and you can see it by the fact that people aren't clamoring for a trade. I still think there's something there that he could be good, but there's a little hand wringing, being like, it's this fear of what if he ends up being this incredible. Don't worry. Caleb Williams is going to be awesome.

So I think some of the fear with Justin Fields is the uncertainty and also the way that his contract is set to kick in versus signing, like an established veteran. Like, if you get Kirk Cousins and you're the Falcons, you're like, well, we want to take a swing at winning now. It's not as risky of a prosecution, even though you're going to pay him a fuckload of money. It's not as risky as getting. Getting Justin in the door and saying, okay, we're going to take a chance on him and see how he pans out, and then we can make a decision about the long term. And then given how many good quarterbacks apparently there are on this draft, I think a lot of teams are. Yeah, why are we going to pay him in one year when we can just draft a guy who we think is pretty good and pay that guy no money for the next four years?

But just everyone relax. Caleb Williams is going to be awesome. I really, really do feel it. And Hanks, give me a little smirk and that's fine because I know that this will be clipped. That's fine.

I feel it.

And in three years, I'll feel it even more. He's going to be fucking sick. Everyone just chill out. This is the time when the draft specifically tries to fuck with people's heads and they pick everyone apart so much that you spend there like, I wish the draft was tomorrow. There's a lot of get it done with.

There's a lot of smokescreens out want. I want a lot of bad information to come out about Caleb Williams just to see if the bears are dumb enough to pass on him.

No, they're not.

They're not. They're not dumb enough. No team would be dumb enough to.

Pass on Caleb Williams.

And congrats, Hank, that you're going to get a new was. The Mac Jones trade was very. I mean, we all knew it, but it's now official. You're getting a new quarterback. You don't have to do any of the handwriting. Not that you were, but you get a new quarterback, James.

That's who you want.

Daniels. Okay.

That's going to be. We talked about this on Friday, but one of us is going to make the wrong choice.

Not me. I made the choice, not you speaking.

Kirk Cousins. Did you see his grill?

Yes.

He got a grill last week. Yeah, it's like all gold. He went to the dentist and it was a temporary grill that they put in to go along with the Kirk o'change image that he has. I have a theory about it.

Okay.

Much like Taylor Swift and attending that jets game, so that when people googled Taylor Swift jets, her private jets, I think Kirk Cousins got that grill so that people, when they tried to look up the tasteless, bland meat that he used to cook on his grill on tinfoil, the unseasoned chicken on tinfoil on his grill.

It was steak.

Was it steak?

It was steak.

It looked like whatever the fuck that stingray is going to give birth to. It looked like some bland ass seafood or something. But I think he did that so that people would see that grill instead of his food that he cooks.

Yeah.

Which is smart.

Very smart, I think.

Kirk Cousins.

It's the Disney frozen.

Say what you want about Kirk Cousins, but the man plays like, 20 dimensional chess, whether it be with his contracts or his Google search results.

I also shout out Kirk Cousins because we made a lot, a big fucking deal about Aaron Rogers, Achilles all year and how he's back and he beats science. I saw Kirk Cousins. I think it was one of his son's birthdays. He was at, like, a ropes course and he was 40ft in the air, like doing a Wallenda across a rope. I was like, that. Achilles is good to go. Yeah, he's set and he's not making a big deal of it. Yeah, he's just good to go.

Yeah.

That's just good, clean living.

Yeah.

That's what not mainlining ayahuasca will do for you.

So shout out Kirk Cousins.

Yeah.

Looks like he might be the Falcons quarterback. We'll see. That's what everyone. It's either falcons or Vikings.

Well, his wife is from Georgia.

Yeah.

So it's a done deal.

And it also, isn't it perfect? It's falcons or Vikings. They're kind of like long lost.

Yeah, the other side of the same. That's the Morton Anderson kick.

Yeah.

Was Falcons over Vikings.

Now maybe Kirk Cousins. Okay, anything else before we get to who's back? UFC 299 was awesome. I don't know if anyone had in their who's back. It was also just great to see Dustin Porier beat the fuck out of a french guy. That was just cool.

Yeah. For me, I'm a casual, openly admit it. I watch the big fights. That's about it. The sound that the knee made against, was it the nose or the mouth?

Cheetos nose. Sean O'Malley said afterwards, like, I felt.

Something break in his face, the noise that it made. I listened to it like 20 times. It's disgusting. And I couldn't look away.

Sean O'Malley was insane how good he was against Cheeto Vera because I don't think I've seen that in a long time where you're watching a fight and Vera, even in the first few rounds, he was like, they could have stopped the fight and had Sean O'Malley give him two for flinching. Because Sean O'Malley was just coming from all different angles and so fast. But, yeah, that sound. That was crazy.

You should actually sample that sound and put it into a song as, like, the snare beat on a track, but so he is now going to move you.

You mean you.

I should.

Yeah, he should. He's gonna not have the ability.

He's gonna move up and wait. He'll fight anywhere, which, I mean, he can't move down. He's the skinniest person on planet Earth, but I think he's going to move up ten pounds for his next fight.

He was incredible, and it was a fun night. I wanted a few more knockouts, but, yeah, the dustin Poirier knockout, where he felt like it was. I also just love a guy like that. He kept on trying to guillotine PSD, and after the first round, his corner was like, stop doing that. Every time you do that, he gets on top of you. And literally 10 seconds in the second round, he just went right. He's like, nah, that was a fucking guy, right?

Yeah, he's a student of history.

Yeah, he had to try, but, yeah, it was a good UFC night. Very fun. Saw the boys, saw Dave front row, the T man. President Trump coming around shaking. I think he actually, like, I texted with Dave right after because I saw it on Dave's face. I think President Trump pulled Dave's arm out of his. Does Dave text me back? He's like, I was absolutely manhandled.

He does the aggressive handshake.

It was the pull in, and I saw it. And then Dave sat down in his face. It was just pure pain. I was like, I think he just got manhandled.

I think maybe my favorite Trump clip was, was it the supreme Court justice that he was swearing in? And he was shaking their hand and.

Just, like, grabbing just alphas, everyone.

You have to be ready for that if you're going to shake his hand.

There was one guy, if I ever.

Meet him, I'm going to put one of those fake gag buzzers on my hand.

I think you got to pull first. Yeah, like, if I ever shook his hand, I'd pull first and then hope maybe double pull. Because there was one head of state that he had, like, a real good back and forth where the guy was pulling back and giving him a real. But, yeah, he just manhandles with his handshake and it's just pure alpha.

Actually, I changed my mind. What I'm going to do is I'm going to go completely limp and he's going to pull me and I'm going to fall forward, and then I'm just going to wear a neck brace next, like nine months. And then Morgan and Morgan, we're having.

A call I like that. But, yeah, it was a good UFC night. Always fun. Big fight night. It's always the best. And I was battling with the time change and everything. Just battling, trying to. I had to have two ICE creams, late night, just to try to stay awake. But I.

As a man.

As a man, I had two ICE creams by myself on the couch.

I actually ate two things of ICE cream this weekend, too.

I was just like, there's only way. One way I'm staying up. ICE cream.

I did one a night.

I left myself one for the main event. I was like, just got to stay because I wasn't thinking. Like, I got to stay up for the main event. I was like, got to stay up for that second ICE cream.

Also, Scotty Scheffler's back. Big time. Yeah, he won, and it wasn't close. Scotty learned how to putt.

Good for the PGA. They needed someone big to win one of these.

They did.

But even he was a big name, obviously, because he's Scotty Scheffler. But what is he? 60 to one before the tournament?

Damn. No, I don't think so. There's no chance.

Probably one of the favorite. Plus 600.

Yeah.

Six to one.

Six to one. Yeah.

Pretty big difference.

To one. Pretty big difference. 60 to one if he was playing lefty.

But he was a shitty putter until now. And now he got a new putter.

You got to figure it out.

And he's fucking dialed in.

Tatter made.

Yeah.

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I had Scottie Scheffler, but also Oppenheimer award season. Oppenheimer swept at the Oscars.

Only movie I saw. Best movie I saw.

Christopher Nolan won his first Oscar, which is surprising. And so did Robert Downey Jr. And.

No one got slapped.

No one got slapped.

And that's John Cena kind of made a mockery of people who can't afford clothes.

It was a shame. I can't watch the Oscars anymore without a slap. Somebody needs to get slapped every year.

Yeah.

I don't care who. I don't care how. Just have the most two volatile celebrities that you can find drag them in there. Hope that some fireworks happen because it's such a letdown with no violence at these awards.

I know. You really need something crazy to just. Yeah, I need someone to talk shit about someone. Otherwise, what am I watching?

They should have brought Aaron Rodgers out there during Jimmy Kimmel's monolog.

That would have been great.

Give a live response to him.

That would have been great.

Yeah.

Like, just have it be a debate. Yeah, that would have been. Did you. Did you think that that was the right winner for the Oscars? How many movies did you see?

Just Oppenheimer.

Okay.

Same with me.

You didn't see Barbie?

Did not see Barbie.

I did not either. I saw Barbie.

Give us your review of.

Funny, how it was entertaining.

Empowering.

Empowering and funny.

You were empowered by it?

Oh, yeah.

As a man, for sure.

I watched it by myself, honestly.

Oh, okay.

It was fun.

It was fun.

It was fun.

It was a fun movie. You watched it by yourself? It was fun. That's a good review. So you think Barbie got robbed?

Did it win anything? I don't know.

Who knows?

It probably won something.

Best song, Billie Eilish.

Best colors.

Best colors. No, they didn't get best wardrobe.

Oh, really?

Best soundtrack.

I know. Billie Eilish won. I don't know if that's best song or best soundtrack, if that's different awards.

Yeah.

Barbie won best soundtrack.

Oh, okay.

I saw that dog was there.

Oh, wait, no, it was cool to.

See that dog in the.

Oppenheimer got best score.

Oppenheimer cleaned up. That's your Oscars recap.

Pft.

Your who's back.

My who's back of the week is Princess Kate. Yes, Princess Kate's back. Our long national nightmare is over. There's been some speculation about what Kate Middleton's been up to. Because she had, like, what, abdominal surgery?

No, she had brazilian butt lift.

Well, that's what people are saying, that it might have been just giving her a little bit of that pippa ass. And she's been out of public.

She got a BBL. That's what people were saying.

We don't know what she had.

Streets were talking.

Well, she just came back with a rack. But anyways, she got abdominal surgery of some sort, and then she hasn't been seen for a very long time. So they put out a photo of her today, the royal family did, and it's her and her kids. And then within about 2 hours, the photo was taken down. And the Associated Press said, stop publishing this. We've determined that it's fake.

Oh.

And if you zoom in on her kid's hands, that's how you can tell. So AI is not good enough yet to do hands.

Whoa.

They can do everything else, but if you look at some of those Taylor Swift pictures, the hands are fucked up. So you zoom in on her kids hands.

She doesn't have six fingers when she was Reid.

No, no. Apparently that wasn't real. But the kids are doing, like, these weird hand symbols, maybe Illuminati shit, I don't know. And then her daughter's first finger is way bigger than the other. So they determined that they had edited the picture and it had been done using AI or at least like, advanced Photoshop.

Whoa.

So the plot thickens. Well, we don't know if she's still alive or not.

I thought the biggest story of. Well, no, there was a picture of her in a car with her mother wearing sunglasses last week. Okay. That was the first one we saw. But the big story out of this is, where the fuck does England get off having a different Mother's Day? What? Today was Mother's Day in England?

Like Queen Mother?

No, that was the post was happy Mother's Day. That was the post.

That's weird.

And everyone was like, it's Mother's Day in England. Today we decide Mother's Day.

Mother's Day.

That's what we fought a war about.

You don't fucking get to decide Mother's Day. You don't get to do a different Mother's Day. Also. Mother's Day in March? No, Mother's Day should be, like, farther along in spring, close to summer, you get some nice little brunch, all that shit.

Yeah.

What the fuck is England doing with a Mother's Day?

It has something.

March.

I bet you one of the.

It's conference championship week.

I bet you one of the queens flipped it around because it was closer to her birthday.

That's bullshit.

That's what I think.

That was the big story to me. I was like, and then everyone's like, yeah, it's Mother's Day. I saw our friend, troops did a happy Mother's Day to his mom.

It's not Mother's Day.

It's not Mother's Day.

It was International Women's Day on Sunday or on Saturday. You want to go back to back?

Imagine having a Mother's Day when fucking Lehigh is coming back from 20 points. That was John Rostein joining us. The show. Imagine having Mother's Day when eastern Tennessee State comes back and wins in overtime.

No, it's way too early for that.

Mother's Day should be the fucking pink bats. Someone hits a home run, they cry. That's Mother's Day.

Yep.

Yeah, I don't like that.

Like, Father's Day is the or, right?

Yeah, right around that, but, yeah.

How do you follow that up? How do you get caught to an AI?

I don't know. I don't know.

Oh, yeah. See this kid's fingers? Fingers. Also their faces immediately before I even.

That might be the inbred part, though.

Yeah, it could be the inbred part, but they were all doing this weird ass, like, open mouth smile. But, yeah, the kids fingers, they tried.

To pull a fast one on us. I'm so glad that we don't have a king and queen. Although it would kind of rock if it was like, who would be our king? Probably the rock and Dolly Parton, America's king and queen.

Oh, man. People are picking this apart.

Oh, yeah.

And then you've got all the fans of the royal family telling people to back off and stop picking this apart. It's like, you pay.

You posted a fake picture on a fake mother's day.

You posted the fake picture on fake Mother's Day. And they're a fake family that you pay taxes. And just to have them live a cool life so they can be your little mascots.

Yeah, she's BBL. That's what I'm going with. It was funny because I got onto this story, like, maybe two weeks ago. It hit my radar and I searched it, and it was just a bunch of women being like, you guys are so late to this story. We've been talking about Kate Middleton for two months.

They were all over like shit.

Okay. All right. My who's back of the week is boxing. Boxing is back because Anthony Joshua knocked the fuck out of Francis Naganu. And that feels good for boxing. No, nothing against Francis Naganu. And by the way, he made the right choice. He made $20 million to get knocked out in the second round. But I am a boxing purist in the fact that I want boxers to always beat people who show up, whether it be a TikTok or an actual fighter, who's a really good fighter in Francis Nganu. Anyone who shows up into a boxing ring with no boxing training, I want them to lose every time.

It's just good to be like boxers are different. You know how you can speed? You can look at super fast NFL players be like, they don't have track speed, though. You put them in an arena with a 100 meters dash specialist, they'll get dusted. I do like seeing that, too, where it's like, the sweet science prevails above all.

Or even reverse a hundred meter yard debt like Usain Bolt trying to catch a football.

Yeah.

See, wouldn't work.

Can't play with big boys.

Yeah.

I like that. So shout out Anthony Joshua for standing up for boxing.

I also feel the same way about closers in baseball. It's like if you put a closer in to pitch the third.

Yeah.

And just one inning, they couldn't do it. It's a different thing.

Yeah.

Or you're the Tampa Bay Rays, and you just do that every game.

Or you're the Phillies in the World Series.

Yeah.

And the Astros pitch no hitter against you.

They get no. Okay. Uh, Jake, your who's back?

My who's back of the week is the wild. As in the actual wild hockey team.

Yes.

They pulled off a crazy thing. They pulled their goalie in overtime, and it paid off.

Yeah.

I've never seen that.

That.

I like that. Just go for it.

Four on three. It was great.

But if it backfired, that coach, he.

Would have gotten some questions.

I like it, though. Now we're going to see different coaches, maybe emulate that, and it's going to backfire so hard in somebody's face eventually.

Yeah.

It's a ballsy thing. If it works, you're a genius. And if it doesn't work, then you're, like, the biggest dumb ass on planet earth. But the fact that it worked this time, I just love that you're going to get some of the dumber coaches try to implement it on their own without incorporating the correct strategy to using it. It reminds me of when Peter Lafleur blindfolded himself in sudden death. People were like, what are you doing? You're an idiot. And then it worked. Then it worked.

Yeah.

Then he's smart.

I was a big fan of this. Okay, good. Who's back, everyone? Let's get to our interview. We have Rick Patino in studio, like, 45 minutes. And, yeah, it was great. We talked about everything. We talked about the stalker, told him that we've made some jokes. We didn't get into the specifics of jokes because I feeling the room. I don't think that we wanted to just repeat the jokes we've made.

So big cat and I had a little conversation before Rick came in, and we came to the determination that it'd probably be best to just try to do a normal, good interview with him as opposed to having him become openly instead of antagonizing.

Well, he was nice enough to come in and we're not going to just do a bunch of jokes that go over his head and then make him look bad. But we did address that we've made those jokes when we brought up the stalker. I feel like we did a very good job. And I won't say that we're going to never do the jokes again, but I did enjoy the fuck out of that interview. I wanted to send that.

You might have said that.

No, we've already said that.

Yeah.

I think it was in 2016. We said we'd never do the jokes again.

Yeah, it's been a while, but no, at the end, we asked if we had permission to do the joke.

Yes.

So tune in.

Tune in and make sure to listen to the end of that. There were two or three times during the interview where I was over here just biting my tongue.

Yeah.

And then I did one intentionally at the end just to fuck with you.

That was not intentional.

The one I asked, the question I asked.

Yeah.

Again, you could probably see it on tape. There's one time where I'm going to pass out because I'm holding my breath.

Yeah.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is head coach of st. John's basketball. It is rick patino, legend of the game. Coach, first of all, thank you so much for making time for us. I know you got a busy schedule. Appreciate you stopping by. We got a million questions. Your career, you've been in basketball for so long. We're huge sports fans. But I wanted to start with st. John's in this season. You guys are on bubble watch right now. How does it feel? I mean, you have to be from your entire career being back, even in the bubble, you're like, this is great. I'm loving it. I would assume.

Well, first, thanks for having me. This really helps my street cred in New York.

Okay.

Being on the bubble, I've had it so many different ways. Iona was. I was a nervous wreck. This time of year because you go through, you win 25 regular season games, you go down Atlantic City, and if you don't win that tournament, you're done. So being on the bubble is great. We have two games remaining, which I think if we win, get us off the bubble, get us in the hunt. And you want to be playing. The most important thing of anything is to be playing your best basketball camouch. It's one thing to get in a tournament. It's another thing to play great at this time of year. And I'm hoping we are.

Yeah.

I noticed that your team's lateral quickness and agility has been much improved over the last two weeks. Any idea maybe why that happened?

That was premeditated. It wasn't a rant. I wanted my team to start to play better defense. I know how to motivate them, and immediately they wanted to show me their lateral quickness. And what I tried to explain to them is, in the NBA, nobody can stop anyone. Celtics had 80 points the other day and a half. So in order for us to stop anyone with our lateral quickness, I mean, we're not Yokich. We're much better than that. And he's the best player in basketball. But it's got to be a team stopping them. This is not the NBA, where the offense is so awesome, you can't stop anybody. We've got to rely on five guys in the gaps helping each other out to stop people. In the last two games we've gotten that.

Yeah.

So when you make those comments in the press, like you said, it was premeditated. Did your players know you were going to say that?

It didn't bother them in the least. It bothered other people, but it didn't bother. If that's the worst comment they can get, they're a little slow laterally or they're physically a little weak, that's the worst they ever hear in life. I mean, we got toughen up a little bit when my players leave me, they're tough individuals. They're able to handle adversity. They don't wilt when something bad happens.

And it's incredible because you are a little bit of a relic of the past in that sense, where there's a lot of coaching, especially in sports now, where it's maybe not as tough on the kids, but I love it. And I would assume, like when you're recruiting kids, when you're bringing kids in, they know what they're buying here, they know what they're getting into. Like coach Patino is going to coach you tough and make you a tough individual.

Well, the first thing you do is every single morning I have four player development sessions that go 45 minutes. So if you're coming to play for me every single day, you're going for 45 minutes and you're going hard to improve your game. When Donovan Mitchell came to me, he had a line drive shot and he wanted to come play for me because of those player development sessions. Then you have your weight training, then you have your afternoon practice, then all these things go into the making of a really good basketball player. So some people may not want that, some people want that, but I'm upfront with them right from the beginning. If you don't love the game as much as I love it, I eat, sleep, drink it. It's part of my blood system. And if you don't have that, go somewhere else. I'm fine with that.

Yeah.

Have you had guys who have in your, they, they just not quit, but been like, hey, I can't do this, it's a little too tough.

I've been lucky. I've had great transfers in before this portal stuff. I had Mark Pope, the coach of BYu, Travis Ford, the coach of St. Louis. I've had some really great Derek Anderson who came in from Ohio State, great transfers that have done remarkably well at David Pagett came from Kansas to me. So I've had great success with that, and I think the guys that can't play that way, it's not because of a lack of effort. It just may not be their level of play.

Right.

Coach, can I just say I'm a little bit disappointed in you today because when we found out that you were coming in, I was very, very excited and I was hoping you were going to wear the white suit. And we didn't get the white suit. You're wearing the tracksuit. I knew this morning, I was like, you know what? Rick's going to come in here. He's going to be wearing a nice St. John's tracksuit and that's fine, but I really wanted the white suit. How do you determine when you break the white suit out?

Well, it's a whiteout first, and I wasn't going to do it, obviously. I'm 71 and I think that's a little past my prime. As far as looking good, I think.

You pull it off.

But I wanted to do it to relax my players. They thought it was the coolest thing. And when I came out, they would just say, we got to win, we got to win. And it got them. They needed to win this game. Creighton is a very good basketball team. It got them to relax a little bit. So it was worth, I just, I.

Think that us as fans should know when the white suit is coming so we can adequately prepare for it. I would have definitely bet on you if I knew that the white suit come out. St. John's money line, no doubt about. But you know, the reason I know that you love basketball is you're probably the first person ever to move from Hawaii to Syracuse, New York. Yeah, it's got to be like a club of one. Of one. And you did to coach college basketball, obviously. Was there a small part of you that was like, hawaii is pretty good, I might just stay here for a while.

You know, jim beheim. Actually, it was my wedding night. He came in on my wedding night to recruit me. I was going on my honeymoon to go to Syracuse. He was just named head coach and I spent 4 hours with him. And back then they didn't have regises where you sign up in a register, send some. You got envelopes. The Italians get envelopes filled with $100 bills. So I said to myself, you go up and open up the envelopes, I'm going to meet with this gentleman for an hour. 4 hours later, I took the syracuse job. And I said, I've got great news. Instead of going to Hawaii on a honeymoon, you get to go to Syracuse and stay in Jim Beyheim's home while I go to Cincinnati to recruit a little bit different.

Yeah, that shows you love.

Do I absolutely eat, sleep and drink the game? I love the game. I love March Madness. I love the Big east tournament. I love everything about basketball because it's five guys getting together. Even if you have your limitations, you can really help a team win. And basketball, to me, is the ultimate team game. And I just love the pageantry behind it. I love what happens in March Madness. If you said to me, now, who do you think is going to win? I can name you eight teams that legitimately could win this.

I mean, it's also a testament, like, after the Louisville stuff, you didn't retire. Like, you could have easily retired, know, been with your horses and had a great life. And you're like, no, I love basketball so much, I want to get back in the game.

What's funny, because I got interviewed twice by two schools, mid majors during my two year hiatus. And then a week before Christmas, I got a call from a fellow who's a UMass graduate, and he said, look, coach, I spoke to Chris Wallace, who was the general manager of the Grizzlies at the time, and my GM with the Celtics. Would you like to come to Pontitonicos? And coach, I said, what is that?

Yeah.

He said, it's in the Euro League. It's a famous program in Greece. The most famous. They've won five Euro league championships. I said, I've never been to Greece, and I don't know anything about the Euro League. It's not for me. So I turned it down. A week later, he called me back and said, look, you got 48 hours to decide. And my wife says, you got to go. I said, I'm going to go to Greece. It was Christmas Eve. I had to fly to Emirates in Newark, catch a flight, coach. Christmas night against Cheska in first place. I said, all right, pack up. Let's go. Oh, you're packing. You're going. I'm not going to. So I took off my suitcases, not knowing anybody in Greece. We won that game against Cheska in first place that night. I had a wonderful two years, became their national coach for a short stint, and I had a great time. For me being such a junkie, I learned a different brand of basketball. It's like the warriors on steroids with their movement and their passing, and it's a different form of offense than we're used to. And I learned a lot.

Age 65, I learned an awful lot, and that was great for me.

So a question about that. So the first night you show up, you don't know any of these guys. What do you do in terms of coaching? Like, what did you say to them?

Well, Nick Kalathis, he played for Billy Donovan, so he knew of me right away, and I said, look, guys, you're going to run your same offenses. We're going to change some things defensively, but there'll be subtle changes. Right now, go out and play. But the one thing I want to tell, I want to see everybody play the hardest they can play so I can evaluate you.

Yeah.

And they won the game. We had a great run. It was fun. I traveled to places that I've never been, from Barcelona to Madrid to Tel Aviv to Lithuania to Russia to Moscow, St. Petersburg, and just places that were just awesome to see for the first.

Yeah, yeah.

Was there any culture shock at all going over there, or was it just basketball as basketball?

It was a different brand of basketball. So I'm in Tel Aviv. We just lost to macabre close game, and my general manager books us on a commercial flight. Now, we don't fly first class at pout, so we're waiting at the airport. We have a 04:00 flight back to Athens. The game is 930. We finish, we get to the airport at 1230. James Gist and Nicolaithis come up to me and said, coach, I was reading a book. He said, coach, let us buy you a beer. I said, is it open? He said, yeah, it stays open here. So we go to the bar. I said, I'll take any light beer. And they said, what do you guys want, double jack and Cokes? I said, no wonder we're freaking losing.

You got double jack and coke?

And they had a couple more, and I went back to reading my book.

Oh, that's funny. So the evolution of basketball. Are there times when you look back because you were someone who was early on, like the three point shot, your teams took a lot of threes, full court press. Is there part of you that watches the evolution of basketball? You're like, I was doing this 25 years ago. Finally people have caught up what's going on here?

You know the funny thing? In 87, I took over a team that was dead last place since the inception of the big east seven straight years. I knew from the meetings that Roley Massamino, John Thompson, big John, Louis Connoseca, and one other older coach, they were not going to take threes. They were adamant against it. So I said, I'm going to take 15 to 20 threes, lead the country in three point shooting. Only Jerry Tarkanya and myself adopted it right away. Then we played the Russians in an exhibition game, and they took 28 threes.

Wow.

And we took 16. And I said, I got to go higher. So we, in Las Vegas led the country in three point shooting and got to a final four. Villanova, St. John's and Georgetown took about two threes per game in the first, like five or seven guys.

Crazy.

Then when I took over to Knicks, we became the.

Yep.

We just were bombing away. And now today, obviously, everybody's doing it.

Everyone does it.

Yeah.

So there's got to be a part of you that's like, I saw this before.

Everyone kind of, well, the Russians helped me that night that we played them in an exhibition, I realized that. How to take the three.

Yeah.

Three is worth more than two. It is kind of funny how long it took basketball to reach that conclusion.

Yes.

But you have to take good shots, so you have a chance to offensive rebound. If you come down the court and take a quick three without a chance for an offensive rebound, even if you're shooting 45%, it's not a high percentage shot. So you got to make sure you create movement and your guys can offensive rebound the miss because they're going to come off long.

Yeah.

What's the hardest part about teaching the press? Because I love when a team presses, especially in college, because you find very quickly that a lot of teams can't handle the press. And it's like, well, they don't have the ball handlers for this, and it throws a wrinkle into everything. But in terms of teaching it, maybe I'm way off. I feel like a lot of coaches don't do it because they don't want to teach it and they don't want to get their guys stamina wise to a point where they can press a lot.

Well, the second thing you said so, correct.

Yeah.

Stamina wise. So we have three different presses based on how we score. So if we hit a three point shot, we're in a different press back to a zone. If it's a dead ball, we're in a different press back to a switching man. If we're in a two point shot, we're in a different press back to a man. So we base it on how we score. It takes a long time to learn, but it's worth it once you get it.

Yeah.

Why do you think that NBA teams.

Don'T press at all NBA teams?

Yeah.

It's 82 games. It's tough on their legs. There was no such thing. I pressed with the Knicks, and we averaged at that time. No one's really breaking 100. We averaged 116.8 points per game. We were third. Doug Mo's team at Denver outscored us. I think there was one other team, and then there became. By the time I came back to the Celtics, not one team was breaking a hundred. I was at a meeting with David Stern, UB Brown, Larry Brown, Pat Riley, Chuck Daley, and one other person to how to get scoring back in the game. David Stern called the meeting, and we really said, there's only one way. Not 8 seconds in the backcourt. You got to call fouls.

Yeah.

Get them to the foul line. It's dead time. Defense won't be as like, knocking out Michael Jordan. Yeah, it's changed. That's what we did, and the game changed, and now it's too much. 80 points and a half by the Celtics. Too much.

Is there any part of you, when you look at your career, you have the success at Kentucky. You win a national title, and then you jump back to the NBA. Is there any part of you that looks back like, maybe I should have stayed at Kentucky because that know it's Kentucky? Or were you like. I had to take the chance the to. I had to jump there and NBA is the highest level of basketball in the world.

Yeah, I think if it wasn't, I was offered about seven or eight pro jobs before the Celtics. Obviously, I was a nick coach, and that's a dream for me, being a New Yorker. But in hindsight's 2020, if I had to do it all over again, I'd probably never leave Kentucky. Dick Vital. Every time I speak to him. If you were to stay at Kentucky, you'd have more wins than any coach. And you think back on that, but I learned a lot to coach the Boston Celtics. Even if you didn't do a great job, it's just too much. You got Red Arback, you got Bill Russell on Havlick, Heinz, and so many greats. It was worth the experience. But if I had to do it all over again, I had a choice to bring back time. I probably would have stayed at Kentucky.

Did you ever think when you gave the press conference the Larry Bird's not walking through that door? Do you ever think that it would live on forever? How it has?

Yes.

It gets brought up all the time.

I know it's great. It's the only probably good thing I've ever done in Boston.

But when you said it, did you walk off? You're like, wow, I nailed that press.

I didn't know it. 25 years later, they still be playing it.

Yeah.

That's a great club. Also, if you never left Kentucky, you would never go to Louisville. Then you would never be the only coach to get two at different schools. But I know people will be like, oh, it's vacated. It's vacated. You still have the tattoo.

Yeah, we don't count vacation.

You didn't vacate your tattoo, right.

Greatest hypocrisy of all time. First of all, what went on? It was. I've said it many, many times, it was reprehensible behavior by a few people. So the NCAA came and said it was $5,600 in three years, period, for four times a year that they did the wrong thing. It had nothing to do with steroid use. It had nothing to do with breaking rules and advantage on the basketball court. We earned that championship. You can't take down a championship. You can't change history. Whether it's wartime peacetime, you can't change history. We won the national championship playing a great game against Michigan. Peyton Siever, Russ Smith, Luke Hancock, Gorky Zhang Montrez Harrell, Shane Bennett. They won it. Kevin ware broke his leg. They won the championship fair and square. Nothing else could get in the way. And sooner or later, the NCAA is going to get smart and do two things. Put that championship banner back. And the second thing the Heisman people will do, give that Heisman Trophy back to Reggie Bush.

Yeah, agree.

Johnny Manziel said he was going to boycot the ceremony. I do it.

I said, I'm not going to the Heisman anymore. I've never been.

You know what?

That is such a hypocrisy. First of all, there's probably half of those guys that won the Heisman trophy that got paid amounts of money.

Right?

He's not the only Heisman trophy winner that got some benefits for their families.

Yeah.

So let's stop being, especially in this day and age, when the players are now professionals. Let's give the gentleman back what he deserves.

Yeah, I agree. But no one from the NCAA called you and said, will you have your tattoo?

No. And if they did call me, I'd hang up on.

Yeah.

So in terms of all the players you've coached, who is the best player, natural best player you've coached? And then who's the player that you coached that got more out of his talent level, where it's like he worked so hard that he became a player that I never even expected.

Patrick Ewing was the best player I've coached, and Paul Pierce was probably second. Oakley was the toughest guy I've ever coached. But Jamal Mashburn was the best college player I've ever coached. The greatest overachiever by far was Billy Donovan. Yeah, Billy the kid. I used to play basketball back then. I was still young, and I would play Billy one on one and beat him 15 one. Two years later, it was all in his favor. And billy, he lost 30 pounds. He became someone I didn't even think about putting in the game when I first took over to became Billy the kid, the fastest gun in the east and carried us on his back to a final four.

Yeah, and you must have. I mean, watching him this year is the first time that it feels like we have a chance of having maybe a back to back champion in Yukon. But watching him and what he did at Florida, that's got to be one of the best feelings of a guy that was under your wing.

You know, one of my biggest disappointments with the hall of Fame is the fact that he's not in it.

Yeah.

Because you guys probably notice better than me, I think there's only five or six programs that have won back to back. He's one of them. And the first year he was picked, I think 8th or 9th in the SEC, and he's had a great playing career, great coaching career. Now he's in the pros. If anybody deserves the hall of fame, it's Billy the Kid.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

And you've coached against some of the all time greats. I mean, the big east rivalries throughout the years are just, you think of the coaches. What's the one coach that you think of? Like, you had the toughest battles against the one that you knew?

I would say the guy I've had the most respect for, and I cringed having to play him, was Dean Smith. I've coached against Frank Maguire, Dean Smith, some of the great old time coaches, but Dean Smith was truly an innovator. I coached against Bill Self for the first time at Iona and preparing for him and watching ten tapes, I said, that's a great basketball coach. I'll tell you what's surprising. When I was a celtic coach, I used to go around in my days often if I was in town, watch a college practice, and you'd be amazed at some of the guys you didn't know were great coaches. When people say about great coaches. You have to watch a practice to determine whether a coach is great, not just on the sidelines. And for instance, I watched skip prosser from Wake Forest, he who passed away. He ran a great practice. Great practice. And you go around and you watch these guys and Bill self when I watch ten tapes, he's a great one. Yeah, a great one.

Yeah.

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Coach Patino, what about the rivalry that you would get the most up for, whether it be old Big east or when you were at Kentucky, the guy you always wanted to beat?

Well, Dale Brown. We had some battles with Dale Brown. We won most of them. In Kentucky. You win most of your games. You could plan a Friday night party because you're going to win most of your home games.

Yeah.

Kentucky is something special. It really is. At Louisville, you had to work to get that special feeling to win that game. We started doing it at Louisville as well. Yeah, but Kentucky, Louisville was a great rivalry. We're trying to build some in the big East, Connecticut. Right now, we're all trying to get to that level of Connecticut, and they've got it going. They have almost a perfect team. Their backups come in and they're just as good as their starters for two years now.

Do you think Danny Hurley, because we've had him on a bunch of times and we're big fans of him, do you think he's kind of a throwback coach? Because that's what we miss a little bit about college basketball. When you get the coach K or the Bayheim or some of these guys retire. College basketball is a lot about the coach because the players change, but the coaches and the imprint they have on their university and the team, that's what fans keep coming back for. Do you see him as kind of a throwback?

Well, I've known Danny since he's a young kid as a player, and I know the hurley family. I was friends with his dad. Great family. Danny is a tremendous coach. There's things about Danny that bother me. The way he gets on referees bother the hell out of me because he gets calls. But as far as my respect for his coaching ability, he's a great coach. Great coach offensively as well as defensively. Preparation wise, he has all the answers. I'll tell you what he else he does. He puts the pieces that fit into the puzzle together. He's got a backup center that's terrific. His players also get a lot better. Remember, he didn't win a big east game in the month of February, I think it was. Yeah, January, February. He didn't win a Big east game last year. We played him in the first round at Iona. We were the only team to be.

Up at halftime, played a perfect half.

And then everything fell apart.

They interviewed you at halftime and I could tell, I was like, you're like, that was a perfect half. But we got a lot more to go.

Yeah.

And they came out in the second half and just. They were a great team. And they have a team this year just as good as last year.

Yeah.

And I suspect that if you were to ask other coaches around the league what they don't like about Rick Patino, they would probably say exactly what you said about Dana Hurley, which is, you know how to work.

The refs actually want to know something? I don't even talk to refs during a game about 1520 years ago, I got so upset at them that I said, I'm going to leave what I do during the game. Will you stop talking to him? You're getting paid to referee the game. Will you stop talking to that coach and concentrate on the game? That's what I say to him all the time during the game. I stay off them now. It's been a long time since I've had a technical foul.

Was that a lesson that was learned? The hard.

Just. I think it takes you away from the strategy of the game. What plays next defensively, offensively, I think if you're always worrying about the referee's call and trying to get the next call, I just don't get involved in that.

Would you say, how would you describe the Rick Patino basketball philosophy?

Good question.

Thank you.

Well, it's changed. It's changed. I spend a lot more time on offense today in creating ball movement and player movement than I ever did. So we're getting ready to play a game. And I would say back when I worked for UB Brown, 90% of that game, walkthrough was defensively stopping the opposition. Today in a walkthrough, it's 50% getting ready to score against a defense as well as 50% stopping it. So just as much offense as defense today, which never was in the past.

Yeah, because I read something about your defensive coaching style, in particular your defensive coaching philosophy. This was in the New York Post a couple years ago. I don't know if you remember how they led the article about it, but it was you saying your ass, your ass, your ass. Hit them with your ass. So just playing like physical butt forward defense, just knocking people out of their way.

Well, I also termed it the mother in law defense. Constant pressure and harassment. We just tried to take you out of what you do well, and I think everybody tries to do that today. The scouting and the metrics that are used are so sophisticated today that you got to be on top of everything. You got to know that he's shooting within 8ft of that rim, he's shooting 87% from there, but 16 foot he goes down to 24%. So you got to know whether he's going dominant right, dominant left. You got to know all the metrics of every single player.

What's the one thing that when guys get to your program that you think, like youth basketball is kind of failing? Like the one thing you have to then reteach them or the fundamental that gets lost, even bring up the ask. I think boxing out, like finding a man, sometimes gets lost in these big games.

I'll give you an example. So it's been just until the last two weeks I've been able to get my team to throw bounce passes.

Oh, that's a good answer.

I finally said to them, in a radius of six to 8ft, you are not allowed to throw chess passes. So if you're coming down the lane, there's no chess passes, you must throw a bounce pass. And that's a Euro League philosophy.

Yeah.

And it's made in the last two games we've had three turnovers and six turnovers from a team that was averaging eleven. So it's made a huge difference. But it has taken so long because they've grown up without throwing a bounce pass.

Yeah.

Where in the EuroLeague you may see per possession three or four bounce passes, rapid fire bounce passes, and to get them to throw it on the break, to get them throw it in a six foot radius, eight foot radius, there's no passes. Now, you can throw a lob up top, but you've got to throw a bounce pass and it's made a huge difference in our basketball team.

I like that.

And boxing out. I always teach your forearm, you hold them off with your forearm and then you hit them, because what happens is they push you in the back if you're not ready, you're trying to box out and they push you in the back. They never call that, hardly ever. So hit them with your forearm first and then move them back and then move them back.

Why do you think that they don't do bounce passes anymore? That seems like a much more difficult pass to.

I don't think it's taught at the AAU level, which is a lot of basketball. I don't think it's taught, it just should be taught because it's a low. People are always trying to deflect the ball, they're always up here deflecting the. Where your hands are, they don't deflect the bounce pass and it has to be taught that way. It may seem simple and very elementary, but it's so important.

Yeah.

All right, tough question. When you think back at your career. One win that you think back, and you're like, that's the win that pops to your head. Like, that was the biggest win. And then one loss that eats away at you forever.

Okay, so, second year georgetown at Providence, tie ball game. Providence makes a free throw. Two free throws. They were down, one to go up. I don't call a timeout. I said to Billy the kid, milk the clock. Earlier in the game, John Thompson is screaming at our bench. He's ranked fifth in the nation. I got a bunch of altar boys that can't play, and he's screaming. And I said to my assistant, who's he yelling at? He's a Providence college graduate, by the way. He says, screaming at you. So I go up. I said, what's up, big John? What's up? You're the dirtiest MfS I've ever played in my life. And because this is Georgetown, they were known as the toughest team in America. I start laughing. He goes ballistic on me because I thought he was kidding.

Yeah.

I walk away. Finally, you got 13,000. And I go after him. And there I stood at his navel and started yelling back at him. So he puts his arm around me after the game, puts me in a headlock, and says, I'm so proud of you, what you're doing with my alma mater, but when you come to Georgetown, I'm going to kick your ass. He beat us by 13. We beat st. John's opening round in the big east tournament. He beat us 33 in his second round.

Oh, jeez.

So now we finally made the NCA for the first time in seven years. We beat Uab on their home court in overtime. We beat them convincingly. Then we beat Austin P, who upsets Illinois in overtime. Then we beat a great Alabama team with three NBA players on it, shoot 68% for the game. And who do we have to face in Louisville, Kentucky, georgetown, and the only team in the country my guys are afraid of.

Yeah.

I said to them, you guys are the luckiest damn guys I've ever coached in my life. Who's the one team that's going to take you lightly? Georgetown. This won't even be a game, fellas. Won't even be a game. I guarantee it was never a game. We killed them. And I was just trying to get their comments. I was worried about them just blowing us out.

Yeah.

And so that's the one game I truly treasure. That Georgetown game in Louisville, Kentucky. One game I wish I had back was a game against Kentucky. Where I told Francisco Garcia. Whatever you do, don't leave the guy taking it out. It's coming back to him. And we were up. We're going to win the game. I was our final for you. And he left the guy out of bounds.

It was 2012.

Yeah, no, 2005. Okay, 2005. That game we had the game. We outplayed him and we left him. Whatever you do, don't come off the ball. Don't come off the ball. We came off the ball. And that I remember so well. Because all we had to do is stay on it. And it's Louisville, Kentucky.

So speaking of you, you were obviously worried about St. John's. But have you seen Reed Shepard this year at Kentucky? You coached his.

I coached Jeff Shepard.

Yeah.

And pretty cool. And know the mom very well because she was there playing. She was a great guard as well. He's tremendous. Yeah, tremendous. He's a great shooter, great passer. He's extremely athletic. I don't know if you've got a glimpse of him blocking that shot in the corner. Getting off his feet. He's got a big decision to make. He's probably a top eight pick in the draft. He's the closest thing to the Pat Riley days. He's the closest thing to a Rex Chapman for Kentucky. Does he stay. Does he leave because they're two Kentucky people? I think I have the answer to that question, but I'll keep it to myself.

Yeah.

Interesting. So you said that there were, what, eight teams that you could see winning the championship this year. Who are those eight teams?

So without leaving anybody. Obviously Houston and Connecticut are two that stick out in your mind. I think Kentucky is interesting because they score so many points. Their offense is so great. Can they do that for six games. Without getting into a lockdown game with Virginia?

Yes.

Slow it down.

So can they do it? But they're very talented on offense. As talented as anybody in the nation. Obviously, Marquette is a great basketball team. Because they have a very unusual style of play. And they can hurt you come tournament time. If you're not ready for that style of play. I think Tennessee has the ability to win a national championship out west. I don't see anybody out west that can do it. With the exception of Kansas. And I don't think this is one of Bill's great teams. So I question that.

What about Arizona?

I was going to say Arizona. Arizona is definitely a team has the right style of play. They're very fast up and down the court, terrific basketball coach, but I think Connecticut, Houston, Marquette, and the last one's the favorite who I think is going to win it. I said it in a tweet about a month ago. I think Purdue is going to win it. I remember you guys have got a big kick out of this because Tony Bennett lost to the 16th seed the first time a one seeds lost. He's one of the great guys in our business. Jay Wright, Tony Bennett are two of the greatest people as people. And I texted him, I said, tony, I can tell you're going to go to multiple final fours. You're going to win a national championship. I know you're down about this. Losing to a 16 seed following year, won a championship. Purdue last year lost to FD fairly. Dickerson and I feel that it's their year. I think they're going to win the national championship this year.

Is that the formula now, losing to a 16 set yourself?

That's what I'm I'm saying anybody who goes through that torture should win a national.

What would be your defensive game plan against Purdue with Zach Eedy?

Well, prior to this it was just Zach Eedy and some good players.

Yeah, the guards were young, but now.

They'Ve got all the answers. They're better defensively. He's a great coach. They're better defensively, better offensively. They have more weapons around him. So I think they could win it. Houston could win it. Certainly. Tennessee has a really good basketball team. Arizona is terrific. But this is a year that there's eight teams, nine teams that could win it.

So you've been obviously to many final fours, won two titles. What is it about coaching in March madness? Like, do you change your style when you get into that tournament setting and everything ratchets up and everyone's watching?

I think you have to be a risk taker. You have to really get your offense to play faster. I think everybody gets a little tight because it's one game and you're out. I think you got to get your guys to play faster. You got to get your guys to not think about the score. You got to constantly try to push it on offense. So the thought process is not every time down the court, what are we going to run? Do they know what play we're going to run? If you say two up, it's going down low, trap below. I want to take away all the scouting, so I want to play faster than we normally play.

Yeah, big cat asked a tough question about the greatest player that you've ever coached. All that stuff. What about the greatest play you've ever seen.

It was my mistake by not putting a guy on the ball if I had to do it all over again. But the mistake I made was when that pass went from Grand Hill to Christian Leitner and he turned around, I made one mistake. Everybody thinks it was not putting a guy on the ball because they did the same thing. Indiana did the same thing. I think it was Connecticut. They threw it up the sideline when a guy on the ball, and I think it was Kevin Ali, one of those players made the shot. Wasn't that I didn't put a guy on the back.

Yes.

My mistake was I grabbed Fellhaus and pelfrey, said, whatever you do to have him missed a free throw, don't foul them. I should have said knock the ball down because we sandwiched Christian Layton.

Yeah.

And both players froze like this if you didn't even try to block the shot.

So they were thinking, don't foul.

Don't foul. My mistake was I should have said, sandwich him. Knock the ball. Ball down. Not whether I put a guy on the ball or not. And that was my mistake in that game.

So if you could do it again, you wouldn't put a guy on the ball. Because I always think you got to have a guy on the ball just because it makes.

I do now I put a guy on the ball. I remember a game where they ran the baseline and the guy on the ball knocked the guy over. And you got to be careful of that. But you can tell your guys not to do that.

Yes.

I would put the tallest guy on the ball. And if I didn't put a guy on the ball, like Bobby Knight never would put a guy on the ball if I sandwiched the guy. We're knocking that ball down, we're stealing it. But I would definitely put a guy on the ball today.

Yeah.

I feel like that was the greatest pass ever thrown in college basketball.

Yeah.

It's incredible.

It's a testament to your career that that is one of the most iconic march madness moments that you were on the wrong side of. And people don't really, it's more about Christian Leightner and Duke than it is about Rick Patino in Kentucky.

I think there was a 102. 101 ending or 103 102. I forgot the final score. Overtime score. And we played the overtime without Jamal Mashburn.

Yeah.

And he was our key. And when we got back home, the Kentucky kids who never played farmer fell house, Pelfrey woods, he's not from Kentucky. When we got back and the bus arrived at Rup arena, they hung their jerseys to the rafters.

Wow, that's nice.

Yeah.

But there was never any question in your mind that ball was going to Christian Leitner on that play?

No, we knew it was going to Christian Leitner, but I said to my two guys, it's going to Leitner. And what I thought would happen was it would go to Leitner and he would pass it like this.

Yeah.

I didn't think he would turn around because we were going to sandwich him. But my guys, I grabbed him just at the end and I regret it to this day. I said, whatever you do, don't foul him.

Yeah.

And I wish I wouldn't have said that.

And it's got to also losing to coach K because he's kind of like smug. That's got to stick. I have to shake his.

And he talks to your players in the line afterwards. I just want to let you know that you played a great game. I'm proud of all you guys. I'm proud that we beat you today.

It had to hurt a little extra, right, when you lost to coach K. Just a little bit.

Well, interesting enough, either 20 or 25 years in 2013, who did we play in the Elite eight to get to the final four? Coach K. To the day when Kevin Webb broke his leg. Yeah, but it was coach K. And the first time I mentioned it in 20 or 25 years was at halftime.

Oh, wow.

First time I mentioned that game.

Yeah.

So you wouldn't talk about it, you.

Wouldn'T think about it.

I didn't want to hear about it anymore. But at halftime there, I told him a story and I said some things that. But not publication, but said some things about playing Duke.

Yeah.

Which we would probably agree with.

Appreciate.

Yeah, we appreciate.

Because I was wondering if after that game, Coach K came, knocked on your locker room door and asked for the opportunity to address your team.

All right. I got the weirdest question of this interview, maybe the weirdest question you're ever going to get. So bear with us here. So this show we've been doing for eight years, we bust balls. We bust balls. We make fun of ourselves a lot. We have made some jokes at your expense. And you have a guardian angel. I don't know if it's a guardian angel. I don't know what it is. There's a random number that texts me every time we make a joke at your expense and says, watch it. We're going to end your career.

Really?

Yes. Pretends to be part of. Yeah, it might have been one of these guys. Might be one of these guys.

Are you being serious?

I'm being dead serious, coach. They said, I'll read you the text message.

Last year at March Madness, they were like, meet us at this restaurant in Houston, and we're going to send this man to man.

This has been happening since you were at Louisville. So this has been happening. I remember it the first time ever was I made a joke. And you've heard all the jokes, but like I said, we bust balls about everyone on this show, but we made a couple of jokes about you're ending at Louisville, maybe some trials and stuff, but the joke was made when you were on game day, and I got a text right after being like, watch what you're doing. Like, I'm close with Coach Patino. You better be careful. And it's been happening every single time for the last, like, seven or eight years. At first, I thought it was your son, and then I was like, nah, I can't be his son. That would be crazy. This was the last one. He said, you and your sidekick want to get puffed up and take shots at coach Patino now that you moved away from New York City. We're coming to Chicago for the DePaul game in two weeks, so we're going to come have a few words with you two. I've warned you before about taking unfair shots at coach, and you don't learn.

We're going to finally get this settled. Real text message. How crazy is that?

Well, how did they get your number?

I don't know. And it's always an untraceable number, so I don't know if it's know.

Well, I can assure you it's no member of the Patino clan.

I was hoping you'd be like, yeah, it was me all along. I'm the one who's listening. I would respect, to tell you the truth.

Look, I have no problem with people making fun of me. Know, I hate politics for a reason. I watch them, the way they talk about each other. I want no part of that. But this is entertainment. Yeah, it's entertainment. And when you're a coach and you're walking off the court and you're listening to what the student body is saying about you, and it's a catholic school, and you say, you just got to put your head down and just walk out. So I don't have any problem with that at all. It's part of the journey. I've had more compliments than I deserve in my life, so you got to take the good with the bad. And certainly laughter is the best form agreed for anything. This is entertainment. Laughter is great. I'm in this business that's going to be 72 because I laugh a lot with my players. When the laughter goes. I said it earlier in the year at that press conference. I'm not enjoying this. And I said it not as far as the team. I'm not enjoying what goes on right now in college basketball because I took Peyton Siever, Russ Smith, or Donovan Mitchell, Terry Rogier, and we nurtured them through to become really good.

Mashburn got him to his junior year, Francisco Garcia. It's about growing. I may be looking at three guys returning next year, and I got to bring in ten. They all become free agents, and we're sitting around at meetings, and what I really don't like about where I'm at right now is we're sitting around meeting and saying, I'm hearing this guy from North Carolina may be available. This guy from Duke, Cincinnati. This guy from Wisconsin may leave. This guy from Ohio State. And to me, I was at Iona, and the entire league was poached.

Yeah.

Every good player in the Mac was poached by another school. And for someone growing up who's loved college basketball, it's just not something I like. I think Jay Wright got out of it because of that. And he's not only a tremendous coach, but tremendous person. And there's no correctable solution unless they become employees where we can sign them to contracts for two, three. Know, I don't blame a kid to put his name in a hat. He's making, say, six figures, and he can make high six figures. Why not? We would all do that if we could. You guys are great at what you do, and all of a sudden, if you put your name out there in the media world and you could quadruple your pay, you would do it as well. You all have families, so it's something I'm not used to, something I don't like, and it's not enjoyable.

Yeah. So to put a bow on it, you can call off the hit on the stalker.

Yeah.

Whoever's talking.

Me. I think you're safe.

Okay. And listen, we do make jokes, so we wanted to come clean with that. And we have made jokes, but we make jokes about ourselves just as much.

It's okay.

Okay.

I don't know who it is, and I think that sometimes. Look, you guys got a great bostool. Has stood the test of time here.

Yeah.

And this is my first time being here. And obviously, people know that you would take a hit on me or they would say something, Boston, that's okay. Yeah, it's okay. Not that I'm thick skinned, it's just I know how to laugh.

Yeah, I appreciate that. And we always feel bad when we have someone come in who we want to interview you for a very long time. It's like we have to be at least honest that we've made these jokes and there's someone who wants to have me killed. But, yeah, that's okay.

I think you say, listen, when you.

Get into the Patino business, you might get killed here with this guy just coming after.

I mean, credit to us, you told the story.

You're big enough to handle.

You listen, I just want to also say, I'll get this out on the open. My wife bought me a shirt. It says, not italian, but supportive because my children are italian. They're a quarter italian, she's half italian. So I'm not italian, but I'm supportive.

You're okay.

Want to respect.

Also, when you told the story about Jim Beyheim on your wedding night, we didn't make any jokes at all. At that point. I had to bite my lip. But I did it out of respect for you, coach.

But you are what I love about college basketball. I love tough coaches. I love old school coaches. That's what I was saying when Dan Hurley. I'm drawn to that because I miss that. When you were in the big east and the. All those coaches were characters and there were people, and something about that is just so great.

I'll tell you final story, which is interesting, because whenever anybody ever questioned my integrity in the game, I said, look, don't listen to me. If I say I didn't do it, I didn't know it. Don't listen to me. Talk to my players.

Yeah.

Don't interview me. Don't interview antagonists. Talk to my players. So one of the great things that happened to me when I was getting ready to be in front of this, not a trial, this group of lawyers and people to be exonerated by the NCAA, we got letters from every player I coached at Louisville, and I said, just write the letters and just tell them exactly what I'm about. Good, bad, or indifferent, just say whatever you want to say. And when I got the letters after the trial was over and read them, it made me cry because all of them said, the toughness and the love that he's shown us made us go out there and we can handle anything. And the guys I was hardest on said the most glowing things and you probably notice when you look back on your academic career, the teachers you love the most were the ones that made you work the hardest. And that's what we as coaches do. We are trying to get the most out of them so they can go on in life, whether it's basketball. I mean, most of my guys now at St. John's aren't going to play in the NBA.

They're going to go to Europe. And you got to be tough. You're going to get a serbian coach who's running four hour practices, and if you don't play three straight games, they cut you from the team, they send you home, and they say, take us to FIBA court. We're not paying you right. And that's what happens over there. So I think my players are ready for those experiences, and they're ready to go out there and perform.

Yeah. Good preparation for them.

I had one more question about some of your players. So you mentioned Russ, and I remember reading an article, I think it was in Sports Illustrated back in the day, that you named a horse after Russ.

Rusticulous. Rusticulous, that was my nickname of him.

Because you loved him so much as a player, you named a horse. Do you have any horses now that are named after players?

The ones I have. Rusticulous started out, I think, at Belmont park and ended up in Montana, so he wasn't doing well. I named another horse gawky, and I think he was a turf paradise in Phoenix. Yeah, I have a great horse story. So I had a horse that I sold as a two year old for $15 million.

Wow.

Two year old champion called AP Valentine. We bought him on his birthday was Valentine's Day. My four partners, there were five of us, obviously, Lane's End had 10%. They stayed in on the horse. We bought it for 450,000. I think there were five of us. Chris Sullivan from Outback Steakhouse, the founder of Outback Steakhouse, owned 20%. He bought a lot in pebble beach. He put up 200,000 and made 3 million. Another guy bought a Park Avenue apartment for his 3 million. Another guy bought a beautiful home in Nantucket. What I did was, I'm much more savvy business wise than those guys. I said, I'm going to put it in a limited partnership, and I'm going to just buy horses for the next ten to 15 years. I'm going to either run it up to 10 million or go broke. I'm okay. It's found money, but I have ten years to spend this 3,000,002 years later, I was broke. I went over my next 18 horses. So that industry, I can tell you guys, if you want to buy a piece of a horse, buy 2%. It's just as much fun as 100%.

Yeah, I love it, though. What's your favorite track?

Saratoga.

Yeah. Incredible.

I like Del Mar because the post time is 02:00, and if you want to do some things in the morning, you could do, but by far, Saratoga is the best in horse ride.

What about Keenan? Would you go to Keenland when you were in Kentucky?

Yeah, I did go to Keenland. I went to Keenland when they weren't announcing the races.

Oh, wow.

You could just watch. There was no announcer where the horse was going. That was a tradition. You watched the race, the numbers were all the same, same color, and then they started announcing a few years later.

Wow.

All right, I have one last question. This has been unbelievable. Coach, we really appreciate you coming by, and we'd love to have you back on anytime. Rowback question Rho back promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts rowback.com promo code take how many more years you think you're going to coach?

Well, as I said earlier, I always said this, I'm going to coach until I'm not having fun. Now, I did make a statement. I wasn't having fun, but it has nothing to do with what's being played on the court between the lines. It's been a tough year, really tough year. Being part of what's happening in college basketball. I've got to get my mind right with this, and I'm very lucky. I have some boosters that are willing to step up. I wish it wasn't this way anymore, but it is this way, and I got to live with it. This free agency every single year. Now, just a year ago, I was told that if you get a transfer, he can't transfer again. So I said, okay, let's go after transfers, right? So we have them, and we could build them and nurture them and make them good basketball players. Now, all of a sudden, that's out. Midway through this year, that's out. There's going to come a time where someone's going to transfer in December and he's going to be able to play right away, right. Because he's going to take it to court. So I don't like it, but I have to live with it.

So I'm in good shape mentally and physically. I love the game. I think I'm going to coach. As long as I can be happy. I don't think it's a matter of age. Just be happy now. I don't want to do what President Biden's doing at his age. I think he should just enjoy life a little bit. I don't know why he's doing it.

Yeah, his dogs.

His dogs aren't even a lot of.

Stress until you're a leader in a.

Free world, until your players start, like, biting 31 secret service agents, that's when you know it's time to get out.

Yeah, no question.

Last question. What's Rick Patino's favorite italian restaurant like? You go, what are you ordering?

Well, I love pasta, but I don't eat that much of it. Absolutely love it. So I'd say my go to meal is either asobuco or chicken palm. Yeah, I'm going to order one of those two, but I could eat pasta every day of my life, but I don't because obviously I want to be able to get into that white jacket.

Yeah, that's important, for sure.

Yeah.

Well, coach, thank you so much. Best of luck. Rest of the year, hopefully we're watching you in the tournament. We've got to win a couple of games here, but hopefully we're watching you in the tournament. And like I said, anytime you want to come back on, we'd love to have you back on. We're going to retire Rick Patino jokes because you were so gracious to come in.

Unless you tell us to vacate.

Unless you want us to. You want us to retire them? We don't have to retire them.

If you want to retire them, you do. But I appreciate you having me on.

Okay.

All right. I think you want us to do more. Yeah. Okay. No, your team is saying more jokes.

No, no more jokes.

No more jokes.

Yeah. Breaking balls is friendship, right? Yeah, exactly. All right. We'll find out who's stalking me. It would have been great if you were like, yeah, that was me. I've been texting you for eight years.

I'd like to have you sell number.

Yeah, that'd be great. All right, well, thanks so much.

Thanks for having me, guys.

Thanks, coach.

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Okay, let's wrap up the show. We got a little before we do Hanks Patriots dynasty talk some housekeeping. So here's what we got coming up Wednesday on all the pardon my take channels, we will be fulfilling the pancake bet from our pancakes only league. So we're going to watch college basketball and we're going to eat some pancakes TBD on the start time, we're going to look at the schedule and see what time games are going to be so we can sync them up. But somewhere around five to 06:00 central time, we will begin our journey into eating pancakes. For a reminder for everyone, memes has to eat 24. It's the same challenge that everyone's been doing for their fantasy football challenge where it's hours and pancakes. So if we're in there for 7 hours, memes would have to eat 17 pancakes. So memes has to eat 24. Max has to eat 18. Pft. Twelve. Jake three. Myself, six. Hank zero. Hank one. Dude, this kind of makes up for the whole stand up comedy. Yeah, like this is going to be painful.

It's going to be really tough. Twelve pancakes.

God, you actually really only have to eat like six.

I'm so excited. Pancakes are one of my favorite things in the entire world. Eating twelve pancakes sounds awesome.

So it's going to pretty much be memes and Max. We're going to put them in the corner and just have a pancake watcher. And memes already told me that he's going to eat them hamburger style.

So he's going to put, how do you eat a pancake?

Put a bunch of them and just go like this, which I think he thinks that makes it faster. But you're still eating a lot of pancakes.

I think the trick is to cut it up into as small bites as possible and then just eat a million bites.

Yeah.

So we'll have fun watching memes try to eat, but we're also going to watch college basketball, and I think Nova is playing, so that'll be a good stream. We also have a stream on Thursday on all of our channels at Chili's, which the schedule gods have helped us out. I'm going to have to suffer through some more Wisconsin basketball, which this team is going to be in the tournament. And I even had the thought today, like, what if they just get hot from three because they just haven't been able to hit a three for the last four weeks. And that's a dangerous thought because I don't want to be sucked in at all. They're not good. But we'll be streaming that game from a chili's, so tune into that. We'll also be streaming from the gambling cave all Friday, Saturday, Sunday. But that's specifically from our stream. We also had on Saturday, we had Shane Gillis and Andrew Santino come to the office. We're able to interview each separately. So we got two awesome interviews coming. People are going to want them right away. Scheduling is weird because obviously we have March madness next week.

So we're going to have Rostein, Titus, Stanford, Steve. So we're going to have the Santino interview on this Friday, and then our Shane Gillis interview is going to come Monday after the first round of March madness. Both great interviews. Awesome dudes. We love both of them, so I know people are going to want them right away. If it were not for March Madness, we'd put them out right away. But because we have March madness, and listen, this actually might be the only time in the schedule and in probably Shane's life that John Rostein will bump him.

That's true.

Yeah.

But they were great.

Shane's a great dude, and he watched some college basketball with us.

Yeah, you can watch that clip if.

You go to the PMTV page on YouTube or Rumble or wherever you want to watch your videos. It's Max watching the Villanova game and Shane just getting to observe how we treat Max. Yeah, and just Max in general. Max in the wild.

That sucked.

And he knows, he said to us that when he first moved to Austin, he would just be watching. I think he watched the you and Stephen Che stream, and he was like, just so I could feel like I had some.

He's.

Yeah, both those guys, great dudes. They made time out of their Saturday to come in, so those interviews are coming up I know people want us to hear them because they were great interviews and they're great dudes. So there's the schedule. So everyone knows. Great. Just two weeks coming up, we're just going to be living in the gambling cave and just living it up and just dying with every game. So I'm very excited. Hank. Dan Hollywood. Hank.

Yeah.

That was the most outrageous no sell. I was so proud of you, though, when he was like, I might be in it. You were in it. You were in it.

There was like a solid three minutes of documentary time that was about the Brady four, and I was just grinning ear to ear. I was like, my boy, he made something of himself.

It's great because it really is. You can't tell the story of the Patriots without Henry Lockwood.

Yeah, you are. You are an integral part of that dynasty.

You might go in the hall of fame.

When you were getting arrested at the NFL office, did you ever think that it was going to be this big?

No, because we didn't think we were going to have to stay overnight.

Yeah.

That's what made it big up until.

We were in the police car and they're like, yeah, you're not getting out till the morning.

Yeah.

And I think that the overnight is kind of where the story became real.

The mug shots shot of you guys.

Where's your mug shot at?

I have it. I don't know if we put it. I'll send it.

I think you were PMT.

I was smiling.

Yeah, you were smiling. He was a little jackass about. It was awesome.

Good.

Yeah, good.

I was in it, which I was like, what the fuck? Because they had a rundown clip of me of right before you guys went to the NFL offices and me and KFC just being like, what are these idiots about to do?

Yeah, I mean, the footage they used.

Was literally know I was holding the phone, which was like, holy, that's. That's mean. I'm in it, but I'm also like, they're using my footage, which again, I kind of knew they were going to do. But it was still very surreal and I knew it was coming. I watched it on Saturday, so it was a couple of days after and a lot of people had hit me up, but it was still very surreal. Very cool.

And the Belichick smear campaign marches on.

The also funniest light switch. Like, we had our own camera guy that was like, free port noi.

Free port noi.

But it sounds like it was a fan, which always makes me laugh.

Yeah.

But I was happy they included that. That just made me laugh.

Yeah.

So you were causing good trouble. Civil disobedience 101.

How much? The 28 to three episode, were you crying? It was great.

I mean, those two Super Bowls are the greatest two Super Bowls of all time. And it cemented Brady. It's crazy, obviously. And it was tough, I'm sure, where everyone's like, it's craft. It's craft. It's a hit piece.

It's a hit piece.

And then the most recent episode started with, like, just, Robert Kraft's a great guy. They had murder in just.

He's the best businessman, Titan.

I told big cat this when he came into the office. But I'll tell you, too, it's shocking to me how the episode that centered around the 28 to three game somehow came off making Bill Belichick look worse or as bad as the episode about Aaron Hernandez. They took a big shit on Belichick this entire time. It was like, tom against Bill, Tom against Bill. Everybody in that locker room against Bill. They made him look so bad in this most recent episode that I think that now, I think most people with the brain will be like, what's going?

I mean, it's crazy. They're just taking him down.

It's insane.

I can't wait for the Belichick documentary where he actually can speak how he wants to speak.

He's going to have a lot of footage.

Well, NFL films even.

He's going to have to get that.

From Kraft LLC or from Jay Glazer.

Yeah.

NFL films came out and even said, he's a huge NFL films guy. Always has been. Like, they've always been connected and super friendly. And NFL films came out and made a statement and was like, this is kind of a hit piece.

Yeah, it's crazy. It's nuts to watch it and be like, and I'm sure the ending is not going to be great.

Can I say something?

No, they're setting up, obviously, but know it was very focused on deflate gate, and then they went to the Super Bowl a little bit, but they're not talking about the games all that much. And then they're just going to have probably two episodes on the end of Brady Belichick.

Can you take your headphones off real quick? I just want to talk to big cat. Yeah, that his headphones are off.

Yeah.

As a member of the media, we really fucked up. To flake. That was really not that big a deal.

It was tough at all. Mort has passed away, but hearing how.

The entire thing was framed, somehow Dave Portnoy was more correct about chemistry than every member of the media.

Your deflate gate was very different than mine because you weren't at barstool yet. I vividly remember trying to fight it for maybe a week or so, and then Dave just spent so much time reading documents and learning science that I just gave up.

Yeah, it's shocking.

We gave up.

It's shocking to me how.

Right. Teco Texas rundown is the one that always pops in my head, where Teco, Texas zoomed in from a target, and Dave. And Tico was like, what's up with you guys cheating? And Dave was like, how much time you got, Tico? And then Kevin and I just left. The rundown was like, he's just going to do it again. And he's right, and there's nothing we can say about it.

All right, so I think a couple of things are probably true with benefit of hindsight. One, Tom Brady definitely likes his football as a little on the underinflated side. Two, who really gives a fuck?

Correct.

We can say that.

Right?

Like, every NFL quarterback likes their balls.

That's not why he was winning Super bowl.

That's not why he was winning Super Bowls by 100. And the fact that it came at a time when the NFL was looking for any sort of distraction from actual problems that they had, where they could be like, okay, we're going to hire this ex FBI guy to do a full report on whether or not Tom Brady slightly deflated some football.

Right.

It's crazy.

It is crazy.

All right, Hank, you can put your headphones back on.

Put it back on. The deflator is the one part that always is. Oh, that does.

Yeah.

And didn't they say they call him that because he lost a bunch of weight?

Yeah, I think so.

That's awesome.

Yeah, the deflator.

But also said it on the. What was it Simmons show called?

Whatever it was called, any given Wednesday.

Any given Wednesday, you would never give your phone to the NFL. They literally showed Spygate how they had to destroy tapes because everything was getting leaked.

Yeah, I agree with that. And also, if they go through all of our texts and sift through it line by line, they can find something that they can take out of context and make us just look like trash.

Yeah.

Facts. The deflator. All right, Hank, we're at number eight.

I think we're at number.

Eight.

So Wednesday will be the finale, which I think there's probably a lot of people who are like, finally. But that's fine.

Yeah, it's fair.

We got more fair criticism from the AWS, we know this.

We didn't intend to draw this out.

For so long, and we didn't intend, well, we did intend to make it suck because we wanted to basically make Hank have to do something like, here are all these awesome players, won all these Super Bowls, and then ruin it so that Hank has to do it so long that everyone's like, enough already.

Yeah.

A mission accomplished by.

Yep.

On this side of the table.

Recurring guest, Chris Long.

No. Recurring guest, Nikovich gronk.

Again, no. Only side Brady to win Super Bowls in both.

Yeah, good.

Good call.

Great player, super athletic, hilarious, had the funniest commercials. He had a chicken commercial that I think it was. I mean, I think I watched in high school and college. Just made me laugh every time when he said rotisserie chicken.

No, it was ribs.

No, he did those commercials, too, before it was pre ribs. I think it was like big Y or something, some supermarket company. And he was just talking about how great rotisserie chicken was.

Freak athlete.

Rotisserie chicken.

Freak athlete.

Freak athlete.

Yeah.

Okay, good one.

Also mention he was in the bodies up issue of ESPN, right? Yeah, just a dude.

Just a total dude. Great dude.

Honorable mention.

Let's go.

Okay.

Okay. So would you put him above?

You didn't.

Wait, but you didn't make Venetari an honorable mention.

He did say in that one thing, he's like, we hated the Patriots.

Yeah, that was weird, wasn't it?

Yeah.

When he did a flake eight episode.

And there's people saying that he's going to go in the hall of fame as a colt, which is insane.

Yeah.

That is.

Do you think maybe he was the one that told the colts, hey, if you get your hands on a football.

That is weird, because if he goes in the hall of fame, it's because of what he did with the Patriots more than what he did with the.

Yeah. Yeah.

Had me second guessing some things.

You know who I had never heard talk before, who I want to have on the show is Matthew Slater. I feel like I'd never seen an interview from him.

Yeah.

And it was like, this guy rocks. He probably knows everything because he was like, the unassuming special teams guy who was just. He's the most, like, patriot. Patriot of all time, probably, right?

Yeah.

So he must be on your top ten.

No.

And he just retired.

Yeah.

And he is the most. Hank agreed. He's the most patriot. Patriot of all time.

He embodied the Patriot way.

Yeah.

I mean, I wish I so much.

So that he's not even on this list.

I made this list before I watched an episode. I wish now that I've seen some things I could change.

Okay, so you know what? We'll restart your list.

Okay?

After Wednesday, we'll go traditional ten to one with what you would have done.

You know what? After watching this documentary, number one, Robert Kraft. He seemed like a great guy in.

The documentary, Titan of industry.

Also, Peoli describing Brady.

Oh, yeah.

Was just unbelievable.

You got to stop.

This guy's the fucking grim Reaper.

Yeah.

Oh, I'm so Kruger.

I'm so glad that they told the Putin stealing the Super bowl rink story. All time story. Yeah, it's mine now. Also, Julian Edelman. That was a nice piece of patriots porn for you. I'd imagine Hank, when they showed that catch, and then right afterwards, him talking to the DB being like, no, I caught it. And the db like, no, you didn't. He's like, no, I caught that shit. Watch. Then they watch it together on the jumbotron. Julian's like, see, I told you I caught it.

Look at that.

Didn't touch the ground. That was so good.

Also, malcolm Mitchell. Honorable mention. He was just a beast that season, and that was it.

All right, we've done enough of any. No, no other honorable mention. You don't get another honorable mention. Strike that from the record, please. You don't get an extra honorable mention.

Stricken from the record.

I did like the look on Chris Long's face when they won a football game, and then Belichick was chewing their ass out. And Chris is like, we're not celebrating this win. Yeah, I'm not having any fun. I better go to the Eagles.

Yeah.

It'S selectively edited, but the way they were showing Belichick in the locker room with Jimmy g after the first game he played, when he was like, oh, coming up to him, budy, budy, good job, son. It made you feel like, oh, he's just a dickhead to Brady. But then you have to remember this is a puff piece and an anti belt.

And Robert Kraft referring to Thomas, Tommy. All the time.

Tommy.

Very weird thing about Tommy. I just love Tommy. Okay, numbers. 2048, 70, 718, 399. Puck 21.

Love you guys.

Free number.

I don't know what to say. I say it anyway. Today that's my day to buy you? Shine away, I'll be coming for your lover gate? Shine away, I'll be coming for your love of gate. You've been so good to me? Giving you everything? You've been so good to me? Your love is Saturday only I'm the only all day I'll say this in the fight with say for tell me say I sweet I survived to be safe and tell me my worries away you all think I've got to remember the shine away love coming to you any light be shying away love coming to you any light you on the way on me on the face. On the face I late on me close.