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All gravy right now. All of our problems are done. New us. Oh fuck yes. Coronaviruses over. It's all over zoback. Yeah. You just flip the page. I'm going to go to sleep at ten thirty, you know on Thursday night. Let's do 20/20 again this morning. Very first. It's twenty twenty last year didn't it. Didn't happen whenever you did any fuck ups you had. If, if it was in 20/20 it doesn't count hardbodies coming up.

I take someone sent that to us hard. My take coming up. We're all getting hardbodies. All right. So we have a best of we have great stuff. We just went through the whole thing with Tim the Tatman as well. That's a new brand new interview. Awesome interview with him. If you don't know who he is, he's basically a superstar in the streaming world. He's going to be like we're we're full on not to not to be rebellion, but the cool streamers, Nick Marks and Tim the Tatman, we're all in on these guys because they're fucking awesome.

We're all in on streaming right now.

Well, we're all in on personality. We actually talked to him about it, how there's a difference between people who are like, technically incredible, the video games, but have no personality versus people who just want to hang out with. And that's Timothy.

Yeah, I liked him. I like Nick Merc's. I don't know. I do have to pick a side. Are they good friends. OK, OK. We're I think we're fans. Are they clan. Yeah. Can we ever face face faces. We'll phase outside. We'll our face. Fuck the shit out of you. Yeah. Don't even come a faces up before we do that though.

The Buffalo Bills are fucking weapon. Josh Allen went in Foxborough beat what was left of the Patriots Cam Newton. I mean, I think he has to retire. I don't really know at this point. It it was sad.

It was sad because they were doing their best. And after the game, Josh McDaniels even like, added on to what they were saying in the pregame and during the game, which is that Cam Newton is like working harder than anybody else on the Patriots, but he just sucks. Now, you know how much that must suck personally to, like, go into work before anyone leave, after everyone's gone and still suck at your job. It's it's got to be really, really.

Yeah. So he might he might straight up retire at this point, I think I mean, I don't want to harp too much on this, but they did lose their fullback going in the season. No one's talking about that. They lost Develin and they lost Danny. Vitalii, who both opted out this year. Everyone talk about Tom Brady like that's it kind of makes him not feel like that's a big deal. Right. That would make them not what, opting out?

Yes, I think they're opting into more football. You know, you just eat. You know that that's not.

Well, OK, so Devlin didn't opt out. Devlin, like, broke his neck. Yeah. And had to retire. Danny Vitale is North-Western kid, you know, smarter than ever. Yeah.

So but it reminds me of, you know, that stupid game like way, way old game like twenty years ago, the Q WPRO.

Why the quarte game where the guy had to run is impossible. Impossible. That's what Cam Newton looks like when he's trying to pass. Yeah. He everything he I think when he gets the ball he says to himself, OK, like one foot in front of the other, cock your arm back. Like he's actually doing a mental checklist. That's how regimented and broken it looks when he's trying to throw the football.

It does look like there's a small Cam Newton inside of Cameroons body that's like pulling the levers. Right. And like making him do all the things you have to hit all the buttons perfectly just to get a seven yard pass.

That's why he does a Superman celebration with a chest, just like let the real Cam Newton take a peek out of his ribcage and then close it back up.

I the other takeaway I had from this game, you know, we've obviously Josh Allen has been a friend of the program since he came in the league. We love Josh Allen. But even even like knowing how awesome he is, he will still like once or twice a game. Put my jaw on the ground. I'll be watching it.

Like, how did he just throw it that far? Just effortlessly. He is he's that incredible. And he's playing at that high of a level that he can still shock me. And I you know, I'm not saying he's Patrick Mahomes because Mahomes has the MVP in the Super Bowl, but there's only a few guys in the league who can do that. Where you sit there, you're like, holy fuck, how'd they do that? He's getting up to that level of how how do you do that?

It's also super impressive when you're doing it and it's cold outside. I know it probably makes a very little difference in terms of throwing. Football, but watching on TV, if it's like 30 degrees outside and Josh Allen is like the king of small windows and just nailing these throws, right. Like even if it's cold, it's like more impressive personally to my eyeballs to watch it. But I do think that Josh Allen is the new king of windows in the NFL.

Yeah, I think he has windows that he hits that Patrick Mahomes. I don't think Patrick Mahomes can make those same throws. Yeah, I think that Josh Allen I think the Buffalo Bills could very well beat the Chiefs. In fact, they definitely can. I think that the Buffalo Bills will beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. Oh, wow. I'm going to be the first. I want be the first that I heard.

Say it to say it, OK? The Buffalo Bills are going to the Super Bowl.

I don't want to hear I haven't heard anyone I know who said it. I don't want to give him a stay with my chest.

All right. That's the Broussard.

Yeah. These buffalo. Yeah. Are going to the Super Bowl, but they might have to play the Browns in the playoffs.

I don't know who I'm going to root for then. Who the Browns got lucky because Mason Rudolph is now officially starting on Sunday. I figured that was going to happen. Big Ben needed his bye week. Hilarious that Big Ben like the reports after that game on Monday after we had taped. But he essentially just started calling his own plays for the entire second half, just like drawing it up in the that's that's old school gunslinger like Brett Favre of like, hey, we're just going to we're going to we're going to draw this up in the sand here and play backyard football.

Yeah. The Rams Cardinals game, which means a lot to my personal happiness that is up in the air in terms of Calomiris Hurt Jr.

Golf's hurt. Blake Bortles is back in on the Rams Blake Bortles saving the pair's season would be fantastic And then the other news was Dwayne Hasse's got caught. Yep and that was actually the correct move and I don't know.

No one's no one's really saying it. What. I haven't heard a single person feel like they should have kept it. How, why, why. What's going on. Like and I'm liking the reports that are coming out like everything is now in retrospect at the time hand up. I wanted Dwayne Haskins. I'll admit it.

I mean, how I was I didn't know Giants fans. I didn't want it. Yeah. I mean, I didn't know he was going to have diarrhea for a full calendar year and get cut. That's on me. There's no way to tell that. But like going back and looking at exactly who on the team wanted him and who didn't like it was very clear that Jay Gruden never wanted Dwayne Haskins. The people that were coaching the team at the time never wanted to draft Dwayne Haskins.

And Dan Snyder made him because he was from Potomac, Maryland, and went to high school with dance. That is that is the epitome of rooting for a team that's owned by Dan Snyder. Yeah. Is he will make your scouts and your front office draft a guy because he knew him when he was 15 years old. That's I mean, that is what the football team has been about in recent history. And then there are reports like that people in the war room wanted to throw up during draft.

And I love that.

I love I wish that they're the same people who threw up when they saw Teddy Bridgewater, his knee. Yeah. You know what? Puch it. Don't tell me that you thought about puking. Just I want to hear the repu you're being what they call extra, OK?

Right. It's very extra. I'm going to be cinematic drama queen. Oh, I'm going to puke. So I bet you if somebody puked they weren't drafted.

Yeah. They would've been like, oh my God. Yeah. Maybe that would have been the start of the coronaviruses. Yeah. Or maybe what's going on. Or maybe they were just like ran out the clock on the pick like the Vikings like oh shit. Or somebody else covered in vomit.

Yeah. He, I think he'll get at least one more chance. But who knows.

Because the list well the list now of quarterbacks who are drafted in the first round in the last 25 years and cut by their team before winning four games, Achilles Smith, Johnny Manziel, Paxton, Lynch, Dwayne Haskins.

So I wouldn't think there's a chance that he won't get another chance.

Oh, he's absolutely he's Lynch and Johnny Manziel did not get another. Yeah, but Dwayne Haskins is a little bit different. He's football young. He was good enough. OK, well, good enough college. And John, hold on. Johnny Manziel was a different story too. Like, you can't say that Johnny Manziel washed out because. Well, I wasn't good at football.

No, but Dwayne Haskins has other things besides football that got him caught. Yeah, he loves strippers. Right.

So so when I say he gets a chance, I agree that he will get he will be in a camp or something. Do you think he will he will start another football game in the NFL?

Yes, he will. He will start. I don't know. It might be a situation where he's a backup and gets in at a starting. I don't because of an injury. Can I make it interesting?

All these guys like the amount of turnover and how quickly you can just be done. It's fast now because, well, all the old guys aren't going to retire. So like Tom Brady and Phil Rivers, Drew Brees, they're never going to retire Big Ben. I don't think there's a lot of seats at the table.

There aren't. But he'll think about it, about he will start, I guarantee you, OK, I will bet you a thousand dollars that he will start another game.

Think about all the backups that are now like going to be looking for a job next year. Right. You would take Dwayne Haskins over Marcus Mariota. I will never talk to me personally. Just well, no, absolutely not. Jameis Winston. Marcus Mariota Jameis Winston. Yeah I'll take him to head mistress.

He's going to be out there which I. Oh, like, everyone's gonna laugh, but someone will take a chance. I take him over Twitter, over Dwayne him. Yeah, I, I think it's going to be look Josh Rosen's never going to play another.

I think we've seen enough from Josh. I think the body of evidence on Josh. We've seen about the exact same 12 games out of Dwayne Haskins. Yeah.

What not by a lot.

Well, Dwayne Haskins stat lines are very similar to Josh Rosen's very simple games where he threw like 350 yards. But like, yes, he's bad. But the fact that he only played 12 games in college and like 14 games in the NFL and his arm is good enough where there will be a coach that's like, I can fix this man. I can he's got the raw materials are breaking down. I mean, if if Urban Meyer gets into the NFL, he's definitely going to bring Dwayne Haskins along as a backup.

I'm just saying it's it's more it's it's it's not is like guaranteed as it used to be. I normally would have been like, oh, yeah, he'll definitely get another shot. He's a first round pick. I don't think I don't think it's guaranteed, as it used to be. They played Joshua's in. Adrien has to play the exact same number of games.

But Josh Rosen went to college for what, like three years, but they played the exact same number of DeNardo. But Dwayne Haskins will definitely and I mean, Josh Rosen has gotten like four more shots after he got not starting after he got cut by the not.

So he's started another trust me, Dwayne Haskins. He'll start a game.

It'll be interesting. I'm not I'm not, like, guaranteeing that. I think the White House will get a starting job, but he'll definitely get a backup job that will lead to a start at some point.

OK, I could buy that. I don't he will never be named starter for a season again. Probably not. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. OK, I think you and I were arguing two separate things.

Yeah, well I still I still would say that.

I would say it's more likely than not that he does not start another game. In the NFL, I really think that it can go a lot faster than people realize at this point with how many how close college in the NFL are together in terms of like the play calling and they've come together a lot more. And how many quarterbacks you see in the draft every single year, like flooding the NFL rosters, how quickly they turn over?

There will be one coach because coaches fall in love with arms so easily. And Dwayne Haskins has an arm that there will definitely be coach. Be like, oh, my God, I can if I can harness the power of his arm, I can I can ride this all the way to like a Super Bowl.

But I'm more Haskins is not he does not have what it takes to be a full time.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get another starting job ever again in the NFL, and it wouldn't be because of anything besides has this kind of fucking himself over. Yeah, because I think that this is how the NFL works now, where they just they burn through guys fast and we will move fast on a guy and it will be over.

I think if you went back and listen to the show that we did when he came in, like in the third quarter, the middle of the third quarter against the Giants last year for his first reps in the NFL, we said like, OK, Washington's Jay Gruden is absolutely putting him out there to show Dan Snyder that this guy sucks. Please don't make me play him. At the time, people thought that we were crazy for saying that. But I think that just demonstrates our deep knowledge of Dan Snyder and the Gruden family.

Yes. Yes.

So twin sons, who knows his cabin and the other news, try and think, oh, the Cubs are doing a fire sale.

That fucking sucks.

Whatever the Padres are going to be, the Padres are basically getting loaded so that they can finish second to the Dodgers.

Again, I know this makes no sense, but you could put an all star team on the Padres, and I would just assume that they would finish second place.

Yeah, they're going to finish second place. The Dodgers. I have the sweetest uniforms in baseball.

They do. And they got the vibe going in San Diego. The Cubs are going to start dipping into, like, very hateable in terms of the ownership territory very, very soon, because I have a feeling they're going to do a fire sale and make everyone pay for their shitty TV network. They're going to make everyone pay for, like all the new bars in Wrigley and everything, and they're going to suck on the field. So that was the other story.

Anything else? Yeah. Do you want to get mad about rankings real quick? Sure. When you're mad about rankings, because ESPN just put out their list of the top twenty eight teams to ever make the college football playoffs. So they have college football playoff, the college football playoffs. OK, over the years, no one where I wanted to.

I'd rather go the other way. You want to start. Let's do top top ten. No, I want to know. Twenty eighth. Got to be the worst team. Michigan State or Washington. OK, the worst team to ever make its 2015 Michigan State. OK, yeah that makes sense. And then twenty seven Washington. Notre Dame from twenty eight. OK that means they got thirty to three. They got their shit kicked by Clemson. Yeah.

And then Notre Dame. Well Notre Dame is kind of like a dynasty here. Notre Dame's at twenty six also but that's this year's Notre Dame team. OK, that's pretty disrespectful to me. That's very me. Twenty six having not played in the college football playoffs. OK, then we've got Oklahoma from last year. I think that's kind of like you. If you played against LSU in this, you're going to be docked. Yeah. At the end.

And then 2016. Ohio State is number 24. So let's skip to the top five now, because there's a lot of teams in between its first album and Clemson.

Let's see. Oh, no. Ohio State when they want it. Top top five, number five. Twenty eighteen.

Alabama, they went fourteen one number for 2016.

Clemson when they beat Alabama in the Nattie, then twenty seventeen, Alabama in twenty eighteen, Clemson and then LSU number one.

Oh wow. It's Ohio State was what six. Ohio State with six. Yeah. OK, well that's yeah I think that was a snake eating its tail there.

Eight out of the top ten are just Clemson, Alabama. Yeah. I mean they're better than everyone. It happens every single year. Anything else I'm trying to remember. I think that's it. We just got Bulbul Manea Cheese Apple. We're taking this right before the cheese apple. But just a reminder, the twenty eighteen cheese bowl is one of the worst, best games I've ever seen. No best, worst games I've ever seen in my entire life with nine interceptions.

I was going back through it today to try to remember it and going through tweets, the the quarterback for TCU went seven for twenty with four interceptions. Twenty seven yards. And he actually got benched for a play by a guy who had dropped foot, which is paralysis in your foot.

It was incredible. I remember watching it being like what is going on?

And it sounds like a disease that you get in like in the trenches of World War One. It was crazy. And someone sent me a screenshot this morning. It's so funny, the progression, the quarterback for TCU, which they won the game. By the way, the quarterback for TCU was like four for 15 for 10 yards and four interceptions and then like a quarter later he was five for seventeen for eight yards. So he went backwards in yards in one more completion.

I also remember they put a graphic up of the quarterback that they brought in and it was one of his legs. Doesn't work, right?

One of his legs doesn't work. And it was there was a moment in time where the TCU in the Cal quarterbacks were the only two quarterbacks in all of Division One who were seniors on their roster, playing in a game when they had never started a game for the team that they were on. That's like that. It was insane. It was absolutely insane.

Yeah. One more thing, Jim Schwartz. It looks like he's trying he's put himself in a position of temporary interim head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.

Oh, not because he gave he gave a press conference and he was talking about what they excuse what they have to do this weekend on Sunday night. And he said we've we've got to have a no hat rule this week. So no hats.

They're not allowing hats in the building because a car seats, because they don't want to have the Washington football team go into their house and then put a division champion hat on right after the show.

They're leading by example, a t shirt and no hats. I don't like that. I feel like yeah, I know you guys.

I'm scared. I'm scared. Well, also, I mean, if you if Carson Wentz plays now, you're really fucked because Carson Wentz, if you take aways backwards hat, he's a franchise quarterback.

But if he goes forward, we'll know he's not wearing a hat. He can't wear a hat. I don't know. I still have the mindset that the more Carson Wentz tries to do, the worse he is. No more Carson don't want Carson Wentz. I don't I do want an extreme version of Carson Wentz don't want to Carson Wentz version of Carson Wentz Possible.

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Oh ok. We now welcome on very special guest. It is Tim the Tatman. You know him.

He is a very famous person on Twitch Streamer video game guy.

You actually you might have actually found out about him through the fall guy's situation that you had a couple of months ago, which was electric. That's how I first saw you on my radar. Tim, thank you for having us on Tim Earth. Thank you for coming on. Absolutely.

Absolutely. It's great. We've been trying to set this up for a while.

So mean we're trying to broaden our horizons, get more involved in the twitch. Can you can we start like from the from the. Top like your your history, your story, how you got into all this? Yeah, yeah, sure, absolutely. So I started I started screaming. I heard about Twitch about eight years ago. Right. And I used to watch Soda Pop and was still a very large streamer then. I watch them years ago.

And I was like, man, this is kind of cool. This guy is just like playing video games and hanging out and there's like a chat room and stuff like that. And so I was like, I want to try that. So I built my very first streaming PC about eight years ago now. It was eight hundred bucks and I just started kind of doing it casually on the side. And I was working I was working full time 40, 50 hours a week, just doing the normal thing and just kind of stream in like 20 or 30 on the side.

And then after a while, you know, I finally got my sub and then I started being able to make some money. And I was like, oh, this is this is cool. And then I'll never forget, one day I was sitting there, I was like, man, I'm making more money on the side that I have in my full time thing. I was like, sure, maybe I should give this a shot. Right. And I still won't forget.

I wanted to talk to my boss. And I was like, yeah, I appreciate you guys a lot. This is great. But I think I got to take a chance here and I got it good. And, you know, here I am now, seven years later. I've been full time for almost seven years now. So it's but it all just started as a hobby and it was a lot smaller back then, a little smaller.

So when you were coming up and playing video games your whole life, I would imagine, were you always like an entertaining person while you were playing video games or were you like when you started, were you kind of quiet and then you got good at talking shit and then you were like, hey, maybe I should be broadcasting this?

Yeah, no, I always I was always pretty vocal. My friends will tell you, no matter what I played, I actually I still I have not played a game of Madden since I was 15 because I got so mad at one of my friends because I'm a big Cowboys fan obviously, and he's an Eagles fan. And he was the Eagles and I was a Cowboys and I was losing fifty two to six a half. And he was just I wasn't saying anything.

I was so mad. I like freaked out. I like threw my controller, I threw my phone into a wall. It was a whole thing.

And but I've, I've always just had to like express myself whenever I played, whether it's called duty or counterstrike or a sports game like Madden, you know, but I guess I've always just kind of been that way my whole life. You know, I wouldn't I don't know if I ever thought I was entertaining or just kind of what I did, you know what I mean?

Yeah, there's definitely something to be said for, like, guys who are fun to play video games with. I've got friends that are very fun and then some friends that are probably better, but not as fun to play video games with. And I'm always going to choose the person who is better at talking, you know.

Yeah, right. You want to you want to you know, there's times where we would come home from work and we just play Call of Duty and just kind of hang out. It's just not as serious. Right? Even if we're not winning and we're still having a good time. Right. I think and there's a lot to be said about that man to just kind of decompress after work and stuff and just hanging out, you know what I mean?

So so you tell the story about, you know, quitting your job. That's an awesome moment. Anyone who bets on themselves, you know, and actually everyone in this room has kind of had that similar moment of like, hey, we're not going to do the traditional job, we're going to give you show.

But what was the moment where you realized, oh, fuck, this is actually kind of a career here, like this is being a video game player is now a legit career.

Yeah, I really. It was. It was around the time I was going full time, like I said, I was kind of it was at a point where I was working less on the side, but I was making more money. I was like, OK, well, wait, maybe I got something that I can take a shot here. But even when I did that, I'll never forget I was talking to my dad and he was like, oh, you got to be careful.

I have something to fall back on just in case that I did. You know, I did, understandably, because I mean that long ago people were making money playing video games when it wasn't anywhere near the level of money that we're looking at now. I haven't seen industry grow. I mean, to be fair, I was younger, but growing up in this video game industry and seeing like the amount of money that a lot of these a lot of these young kids even are making now is crazy.

It's crazy to see. It's like it's almost a flip, right? When I was younger, my dad was like, get off those video games, go to work, you know, go play outside. Now, you got some parents that are like, get on that video game quick. It's like a it's a weird dynamic. Now we're kind of flipped around, but it really was around that time that when I for me personally, it was at that moment where I was kind of make more playing video games, entertaining on the side.

And I was like, I think this could actually be something here and I want to give it a shot. Yeah.

Did you have any moments at your at your old, you know, real job where while you were working, gaining popularity, like somebody from, you know, your side universe that knew you from your streams, brought that into, you know, your real orbit in the office or something like that. And you had to kind of where your popularity offline versus what you're doing, like in an office environment or whatever your job was, you have nothing like that ever really happened at work.

I, I had gotten recognized a little bit while I was still working, but it wasn't at work necessarily. And all my co-workers obviously knew what I did. And so it was kind of this thing where, you know, they were just kind of joking around like, oh, Tim plays video games for a living, blah, blah, blah. And but at that point in my in my career, I've been recognized maybe a handful of times at that point, you know, because I'm from Syracuse, New York, which is a smaller town.

And I, I, you know, I'm super, super small, but it's a smaller city. Right.

And so I got recognized a couple of times, like a real small handful of times. And part of that, too, is because I didn't really go out much. Right. I was working forty. I was dreamin thirty. And if I had time on the side, I was trying to hang out from friends, stuff like that, you know, when I was a lot younger.

So but no, not really at work necessarily. But around that time there were people that were starting to recognize me in the Syracuse area. So.

So where do you rank on the skill base level? Because, like, the fall guy is a perfect example where I think. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe I'm I'm I'm new to streaming understanding it, but it does feel like there are exceptional video game players and they're the people that are a fun hang and really entertaining. And it seems like this isn't a knock on your video game skills, but would you fall into that category? I definitely fall in the category of more fun to play with. And I understand that. It's a weird dynamic, though, because I've always my shadow is called me like a wild card.

Right. You kind of never know what you're going to get out of base play for me every once in a while. There's this weird, you know, version of me when I'm playing that just like almost like transcendence. And I'm like, I don't even know what I'm doing. Right. And there's times where I've clutched up in pretty crazy moments. And, you know, even with something like fortnight, like I have some earnings and 495 earnings and war zone from tournaments.

Right. Not just my stream, but when you when you look at me compared to a lot of these guys that are way, way, way up here, obviously I'm a lot less skilled than them, you know. But the reality is I'm playing with these guys like Nick Swag, Clokey, these guys all got excuse me, microphone. These these guys all got wi fi.

Plus Cady's maybe like four or five ish. I'm sitting around a two seven. So like, if you put me against, like, thirteen year old me, I would kick my ass. What's crazy? What's Katie, Katie, Katie. Kill death ratio. So it's like for every for every time, like closest to life, he'll get five kills before he dies. Does that make sense. Yeah. So like for me that's kind of the base that a lot of people do with war zone to kind of tell where you're at.

So like for me I'm a two seven, which means for me usually two point seven every time I die, average, normal for most is around a one. What about now?

I mean, I haven't played Call of Duty in a couple of years, but I was like a negative three.

I think that's not bad. So. Right, right, right.

I played war zone for the very first time last night. I jumped out really playing, got my parachute caught in a tree and then I fell on the ground, died immediately. That's a negative. Is that just a negative one?

That's yeah, that's a negative one. So I guess that's Arcady negative one, though, because it was so fast, right? Yeah, right. Right. Tiger time played. Time played is impressive, right? I mean, this guy played for like five seconds and he's got a negative one caddie already. What. Yeah.

What advice would you give to somebody hypothetically who is just starting to play war zone if you could give him like two pieces of advice to be the best war zone player? They could be that's a good question, actually, I would I would say don't. So a lot of us guys, they always just drop in superstore, right? They see us landing at these hot spots and just getting in. If I was starting, I would land a way out, you know what I mean?

Because Battle Royale is obviously been a genre that has been around for a very long time now. I remember Arma three Battle Royale. This is six, seven years ago that I played it. And then you got games like H1N1, which kind of came from it. And I always played like that around. And I always like the concept. But when I first started, I was always like, OK, let's just go far away, try and like, get myself situated and then let's make our way in.

Whereas now in war zone, I'm just like, OK, hop right in the middle. You got twenty five people landed on you and it's crazy. Like I was like just take it slow because I can use that advice. I can lean into that.

I don't know if, you know, maybe maybe be intellectual with your position. That's I'll go with that. Yeah. I'll be really extra smart.

Is it possible to win an entire battle royale without firing a shot? Because that's what I want to try to do. We did it in a fortnight.

Yeah. I mean, it's like third and fourth night once with just hiding in a bush.

Yeah, that's what I want to do for night. We made a half, of course, that I think would be a lot, a lot harder. I don't know if we ever try that in a war zone because we're at war zones. Gunplay is so much. I mean, I've seen for night, you got you. It's like you get shot. It's kind of like Bill. Right. And there's less, I would say, like people kind of gunplay compared to a war zone.

We're going to be really hard to not win by without a shot. We did win one where we only used, like, melee sticks. We did that, but apparently we didn't shoot callisthenics. It's like a you run around with these two sticks. Yeah. And it just kind of pop up and yeah. You just like, hit. So we actually actually we might have gotten second. I don't know if we won with that. It was we were really close with that though.

But that was really hard because you got if these guys know what they're doing and most of the time they do and they have guns, we don't. I mean, that's just kind of that's what I try to do.

I might try to be a pacifist in war zone and see see how far I try to get the riot shield out. Just kind of hold there. You know, I got to tell you, I've seen a lot of guys in the end game with just a riot shield just walking around because no one could kill them.

Yeah, something to say. They're you know, this is kind of it might be a boring question, but I'm always, you know, interested in just day to day, like, what is your schedule like?

What do you do? So I'm typically up around six or seven. I have a kid, my son, he's he's a little less than two, so he's usually up bright and early. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like they're up. You're up. You know what I mean. It's like, hey, it's time of the day starting for everyone. It's five o'clock. So, you know, six or seven is usually when I get up.

I've been I've been trying to look after my health a bit, so I'll try and go for, like, a little run mile to free on a really good day, you know what I mean? And and then usually get some coffee in me. And I'm usually going live around nine or 10 in the morning. And then typically I'll go till about five or six straight through, straight through, you know, times obviously you'll get up, walk around.

But I'm not I wouldn't say I'm gone for like an extended period. I like I think back when I go to work at a warehouse. Right. So I got a fifteen, twenty minute break. I just kind of walked away and just didn't. I don't you don't have anything like that necessarily obviously. But like if I got to get up and get something to eat really quick I'll just go grab some, come back and then. And then so then I'm streaming from about ten to five, ten to six on a long day.

And then, you know, sometimes a lot of times actually, you know, meetings, something, you know, something like this obviously. And this I just shut my stream off and now here I am doing this right. So there's a lot of stuff, surprisingly, that that happens off the stream that a lot of people obviously don't see when you're not life. Right. Right. But I'm frickin you know, they're usually like after this, I'll just go get some dinner, maybe a steak or something and then relax for a little bit, hour or two.

Sometimes I play a video game off stream. That's a funny conversation with my wife.

Yeah, well, because yeah, because it's it's hard to explain, but like when I'm playing, when I'm screaming, for example, I just got done before I was playing for night for about four or five hours there with Nick. And when, when, when I get off stream, you know, I have like different games and I kind of I chill out with more you guys over here, World of Warcraft, you know what I guess I love.

Wow. But I don't typically stream it as much just because it's not in my I guess you could say wheelhouse of how I entertain, if you will. Right. There will be times I'll be like Affan. I'm just going to stream it, you know, but it was always how. Here's what I always tell people as World Warcraft I wanna play since I was 13. It's always how I d d d fragged. Right? So it's like I'd work, come home from work, hop on a while for like an hour or two and go to bed.

Right. So that sometimes I'm playing eight hours a day, then I get off and I'm like I hang out my. I got my son for a little bit, put him to bed, it's like I'm going to. I mean, like porn stars have sex right after they shoot the lawn. That's right. Right. That's right. Exactly. Something I've never made. Yeah. You make love to try to wacko, right.

Or fucking during the day and then you're making love to our night. That's right.

That's right. Yeah. I mean, that's that's a good way to look at it. I mean, absolutely. But yeah, that's usually my my day in, day out kind of seven days a week.

Are you, do you take a day off. No, man. I'm actually so a lot of these streamers, a lot of them go hard for a really long time.

I've always, always taken two days off and I think that's been great for me. Yeah, I see a lot of there's a ton of burnout, as funny as that is to say. A lot of people, a lot of people looking outside and they look at something like this as a job and they kind of laugh at it like, how could you burn out? All you're doing is like playing video games all day. Right. But there's a lot of people and it's just like mental burnouts that are just done.

I think a big part of why I've been able to do this for so long as I have a pretty healthy balance, man, I'll take two days off a week, usually with the exception of something, something big is going out in my hop out on a weekend or something like that. But usually Saturday, Sunday, some off and then in summer, too. Well, I'll take like a week family vacation, you know, and not not a ton of these trips.

I mean, to be fair, a lot of them are kids, right? But it's like I got I got my family, my wife, my kid and all. I'll, you know, to, you know, take them out of vacation. Just completely disconnect for a week to go hang out at Disney, Orlando or whatever and just, you know, relax. And I think there's a big a big testament to that. That's you usually usually five days a week, though.

Yeah.

I mean, that's cool. I mean, that's it's interesting just to hear because you really it's a job, you know what I mean? You love it, but it's also a job. It really is like here's my I'm working a schedule just like anyone else.

I mean, in addition to the porn star thing, that's like us watching sports and talking about sports. And then we go home and we watch sports and we talk about sports. Right. But it's different because we're not people aren't hearing. Yes. You know, yes.

This might be a dumb question, but do you do eye exercises? Hmm.

I actually I don't not a dumb question in my eyes have gotten worse since I've played for so long. I will say that. So it's not it's not to a point where I don't have any glasses. Basically when I started I was twenty twenty for a really long time and now I'm at my my vision's not as good as it was. I can tell like because I'm staring at the screen all day. Right. I'm looking here, I'm looking here and then I go to look at my TV and it's like way far away and what the heck.

And I've definitely gotten to that point now where I don't know if it's old age combo. I'm thirty nine. I don't know if it's that combo with, you know, playing for eight hours a day. But I don't actually do I exercise is what I will say is, you know, if I don't play wow or something, I try not to stare at a screen as much even on my phone. I try not to like be on my phone.

It's like just try to get my eyes a little a little break at least, you know.

Do you dream about video games? So, I mean, sometimes sometimes there's.

I know. Like are you. Yeah, that's good. Because you're not in real life. Right. That's that's the dream. Right. It's it's you know, thinking about. Oh man, I just, I just, I squad watch them so you know, I will I'll dream about like World Warcraft once in a while, even times when I was playing it on a fortnight. I dream about four nights. Weird man. But I think that's kind of how it is with anything that you're kind of consumed with.

Right. You'll you'll you'll go to bed and your subconscious will be thinking about, you know, whatever it is that, you know, you're super, super obsessed with, you know, and I mean, video games for me. I always played my whole life. I always loved them. And there was a constant battle with me and my dad saying, get off the video games. But here we are, man, able to turn on. I'll turn my turn my obsession into a job, thankfully.

Yeah. So we got to. So one of the guys who works here is a huge, huge fan. Like he actually when we were getting ready to interview, he pulled me aside. I was like, I've been Tatman fan forever. I'm going to send you guys a list. So he sent us a list. Some of these questions we don't even really, like, know what they mean.

But can we find this through this? Yeah. Yeah, this will be interesting because I kind of. Yeah, there's what like your hardcore fans probably want to hear. How much money do you make after taxes? Oh, my gosh.

I don't even know about that. I wasn't a real question. You know, I don't even know if the top of my head, bro, because that's all my business manager. I don't know. That wasn't a real question.

I want to go to why you should why you should buy a Jeep over a Tesla.

Oh, well, I mean, let's start with, you know, the base minimum. Right. Jeeps are cooler, right. You know that. You can take the doors off. You can take the tops off. One thing I love about my jeep, I so I drive wranglers and I have a gladiator and you'll never see like one or two jeeps that are the same because they're so much like customization on Umbral.

You know, one guy's got the Dave Matthews sticker on the top right corner and one guy has got. On the back of the tire, yeah, no, you're right, you're Toubro I'm a huge Dave fan, but yeah, I do too.

And, you know, if there's like a zombie apocalypse or something like that and there's like a Tesla that is like, let's say abandoned on the side of the road. Right. Hypothetically, you know, you disconnect your Swabia, your energy, bro. You just go right over it, you know what I'm saying?

So there's a lot of benefits, you know, but ultimately, jeeps are just superior in every way, shape and form.

So tough to quit dipping. If you're driving a jeep, though, because you're going first of all, you're outdoors at the time. Second of all, you're going to the gas stations are good from Blake Bortles purchase a Tesla just so that he would stop going to gas stations to buy dip all the time. Really. He still didn't, it didn't work off.

I don't know if the Tesla worked.

Yeah that's that's an expensive method of quitting Kopenhagen. Yeah, cold cold turkey. Might have been a little well a little better, you know, found the wallet. But here's another question that we got sent.

How much taller are you than Nick Merc's.

Oh, he's how tall, how tall you guys say he is. I think he's my height because. What are you. Because he says that he's five eleven six feet. I'm five. Eight and a half.

OK, yeah. He's he's right around there. Five eight five nine. OK, so you don't know how tall are you.

I tie you know it depends on the shoes I'm wearing but I'm around three to six one on a really good day.

Six one out of six foot and easy though I have no idea how tall you are.

You just keep this is this is if you're over sixty, you don't have to lie.

You know that. I want to go with a lie. I'm doing what I am.

I am over six foot and Nick is just he's just just Eversole under six foot and he really can't accept it. It's crazy. OK, up the fight. I be a hard fight, bro, it depends on the circumstances. I mean, he's you know, he's and he's lifting right now heavy right now. He kicked my ass probably. I used to lift a lot back in the day, but right now I'm kind of getting into my old age 30.

I'm running my legs right now are strong, though. My, my, my you know, my upper body is not there right now. So he'd probably I could get a good hit, though. Yeah, that's true. Both at your peak.

Did you can be that's a tough one. That's a really tough one, bro. I got hit with a Ford F 150 while I was running what's right. And I popped up from it. Yeah, I got hit. This guy blew a stop sign. I was running. This was back when I was lifting a good amount. I was I was jogging and the guy blew a stop sign. All right. Last second. Yeah, go ahead.

Are you sure this just wasn't GTA?

No, I'm positive this was real life. I tell the story, tell a story. So so I was just, you know, jogging. And the guy I saw the truck, I had a stop sign. So I was like, I'll just go through. He he apparently blew the stop sign and he just like, hit me. And my only reaction was to jump up and lean into it, thank God. Because otherwise it probably would have like went over me and I'd be in a lot of different circumstances right now.

But if I got hit and I popped up because I was playing sports when I was younger, my dad, I like heard my dad in my head like walking off kind of thing, you know, like I didn't just get hit by a truck. So he hit me and popped up and the guy pulled over. And this is the funniest part to me, bro. It's high noon on like a sunny December day in Syracuse. And I'm more of a reflective jacket just for whatever reason.

And the guy comes out of goes out of the truck. I'm six foot two fifty goes, man, you came out of nowhere.

I was like, oh, I'm sorry. I came. I came out of nowhere, bro. I don't know what I don't know where you were looking, but I was dead in the center of this intersection. But yeah, yeah, yeah. He hit me and put like that. Didn't even knock me out, you know what I mean. That kind of hit me and I was like, oh, oh shit. I just kind of popped up but I peek.

It'd be an interesting fabro.

Sounds like you could win. Yeah. I mean, unless the Jerks is a truck.

You just said that he leaned into a truck. Yeah. As I did. And it didn't, it didn't knock me out so I don't know that. But you know, I mean one good punch that could really kind of, you know, change your day, you know what I'm saying? So, no, it's true.

Between you and Nick, if you guys were to play a game war zone, what's the what's the B D ratio, the brose per death? How many brose do you let out during it during a game as compared to him? Because I know he's a big bro guy too.

Yeah. There's like there's this whole running joke about how listening to a stream with me and him, it's just every other word is bro bro bro. I'd say our average bro per that's probably about six or seven to be honest for me it's probably probably higher than my higher my kill death. But given how both we just kind of I don't know bro is always been my whole life, it's just been a middle middle of the road term like middle conversation, you know what I mean.

Just like I was going on bro. You know what I mean. Just rolls off the tongue. But I. Was that a question from the guy?

Yeah. He asked that. Yeah. Yeah. Because we really would we say it way more than we probably should bro. Oh I just didn't. Right. That was, that was like a natural, that was like a natural timer just rolled off and talk is a great word because you can be like what's up bro.

Which is casual arguably like brother which is like that's you've been betrayed with that one depending on the inflection.

There's a lot of things that broken. I mean, you know what I mean, bro. Yeah.

What's the meanest thing that Chad has said or like what's the thing that really makes him. That makes you mad. That makes me mad. I just don't think I mean the answer. By the way. I've got it right. I've heard everything. I mean.

Well, I. I'm wearing this. I'm wearing so this is ninja's new hoodie and I'm wearing this today and they're all spamming Jigglypuff cosplay or Kearby cosplay.

You know, they just any anything, any kind of clothing I wear. Anything besides like a black t shirt. If I have a base black t shirt on, I don't really hear anything if I put any other color on it. It's unbelievable. How do you think I wear they just kind of harp on it. And it's literally gotten to be a point where most of my wardrobe is just black t shirts because I typically don't wear this today in the rose.

To me, it's crazy.

You got to do it. I'm I've slowly gotten into that zone to just wear black T-shirts all the time and a slimming.

Yeah. Makes me look thinner. Very slimming. Do you what's your relationship with the chat overall? Is it like do you converse with them the entire time. Do you have like hardcourts in the Tatman fans that you know and you recognize, how does that work.

Yeah. So there's there's years that I've seen since day one.

There's a couple of guys that have been there for eight, eight ish years now, I think.

And so like I usually I don't know how, but I'll usually catch them in the chat when they're in there. But I admire so much. That's good, man. We joke around a lot. At the beginning of my stream, I was tall. I always do like it's almost like I don't want to call it a podcast because it isn't what it's like. It's called I call it just chatting my stream and I'm just talking there, you know, we're just bantering back and forth.

But instead of like me talking to someone else, I'm talking to the chat. I make sense. So it's like a little little bit of a different dynamic there. But, you know, I started I saw it every day with that. And it's just kind of how I ease into it. And I always say I always say this. We joke around a lot. They wrote me a lot, but I know they all have my back in a bar fight.

That's what I always say in any of my viewers that I met, they would they would come, you know, have a right hook out of nowhere if someone was trying to start with me. And it kind of feels like I like like a tight family where you could joke around with each other, not take each other too seriously. And, you know, at the same time, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's awesome. Have you ever done anything that's just cause the chat to turn on you?

Who asks us, would you change your intro? Oh, I when I brought my intro man and the new one is just so much better. But some of them are so locked in on the old intro I just. How could you do that.

How can I write. How, how could I. But it's like this, these are clips from like seven or eight years ago. It's like I'd like to change a little something at this point. And you know what? You know, I know what my favorite part of the new intro is. My old intro was three minutes long and it was like this little song that that we made. And it was really catchy. But the new intro thing is it locked me into that three minute intro.

That makes sense right now. My new intro loops for eternity. So if I'm walking around the house, you know, just kind of easing into my day, I'm not basically if I was in at my computer after three minutes, they're staring at a black screen. I got nothing there. Yeah. So now it's like I can leave that thing up for an hour whenever I want to come out, you know what I'm saying?

You know, 30 minutes before the intro, the old intro is great and every once in a while whips my my head mod. He'll he'll play the he'll play the old intro just for good measure, you know what I mean. Just give it to him a little bit and you know, have them be happy. It's there. I can I can understand that though.

It's like at some point that song it stops becoming like a pop up song for you in your own head. It's like a clock ticking down to zero and it becomes like anxiety.

You know, I heard I heard that song in my sleep. Still, I can hear that song in my sleep. So I'm watching this video right now.

So your son turned off your stream the other day. How like that. I mean, like I said, I have a son that's pretty much the same age and all the all the you is just there's a button pressing it, but yeah, that's absolutely right. Literally and figuratively.

But how do you have like at what point are you going to hope that your son's going to start playing video games with you? And is that weird to think like I'm a dad, but I'm also a professional video game player?

Yeah, I've thought about that. I mean, I to think a lot of parents, some of them are kind of wary about, you know, televisions, iPads, stuff like that, just like kind of giving it to a kid at a young age. I'm kind of the opposite about I don't know if that's necessarily good, but I want him to I'd love to play video games and I think it'd be great. I think about times when I was younger and even though my dad didn't like video games, he would still sit down every once in a while, kind of play with me.

And those are some really, you know, loving moments that I have in my own memory. So I I'm really excited to have that happen with my own son. I will say that I'm planning on kicking his ass and video games for about as long as I can, because there's probably going to come a point where he's going to be better than me. Right. Because a lot a lot of these kids, they're better than me right now. I can admit that, you know, but I want I want him to think, oh, my dad's crazy good.

Right. Even though everyone else in the world is like, he's OK, he's average now and everything, you know. But I don't I think we're going to have a lot of great memories with that. I'm really excited for that. Yeah, it's great.

It's like most dads are afraid of the first time. There could be some in basketball, actually. That's right. What I'm going to do with my kid eventually is I'm just going to beat the shit out of him in basketball when they're like five and then so retain that memory and they'll think, oh, my dad, oh my God, my dad is the best basketball player that my dad. He can almost be in the NBA, right? Yeah.

All right. I had one last question for you boys. Let's talk about career. Oh, let me do this final question brought to you by Cross Country Mortgage, America's crazy good mortgage company. Go to Scullin's dot com slash take to learn more about your future home buying experience or refinancing needs. Equal housing opportunity. All right.

The Cowboys, the Cowboys, Cowboys, the cowboys fucking suck, dude. It's a hard year, man.

It's a hard year. It's been a hard. What year are you talking about? The last one rides well, so that's about six feet apart, really. It's been a hard, long time.

I you know, I was I was three and four. I was born in ninety. So I was I vaguely remember ninety four. I consider myself that I watch that Super Bowl. That's right. Because my dad is a huge Cowboys fan and he sat me down next to him. And so I jokingly say that I saw the Cowboys win. But, you know, I mean this year what I mean, I it's it's kind of like a rinse and repeat.

You know, as a Cowboys fan, I would say that's like at the beginning of the year you're looking at you're like, oh, this is we look good. We're looking good this year. Just looks great at the talent. You look at the lineup.

Oh, my God, how are we going to win? Right. And then, you know, a couple of games, then you're kind of feeling it now. It's like, OK, well and then maybe an injury happens or something like that. You're like, well, OK. And then now we're, you know, we don't even know what we are in a free seven. I think the whole NFC East right now is just a giant awful.

It's terrible, whoever whoever wins that I always I've been jokingly saying that whoever wins the NFC is going to win the Super Bowl watching. I think everyone's going to everyone's going to respect that. You know what I mean?

I think they're going to win a playoff game. That happens all the time. Like there's a six and 10 team.

It was it was the Giants weren't they didn't win the Super Bowl coming off eight.

And there were nine and seven, I think, where they were nine seven that year. But the Saints won when they were nine and seven when they won their division or know when they were seven and nine. Seven and nine. Right. They know they lost to the Seahawks. Yeah. I forget how that we won a game.

Yeah, there was there was like there's like a stat where it's like, you know, teams that are, you know, coming into the playoffs as the underdog, ever more chance, whatever. But, you know, the Cowboys, man, I love them. And I've been a fan my whole life, but it's. Yeah, man. This year, I mean, I'm no rebuilding year.

I feel like I say that, you know, every year, though, it's like right now these cowboys just reload, but they just reload to being exactly as inefficient as they were.

And it's like they're playing. I don't even know not I don't think we're in this year. But it's like, you know, by the end of the year, every single time, it's like and I don't know overall, I don't know as a fan, I just watch it. I'm like, man, hopefully, hopefully next year we get it all sorted out, you know what I mean?

But when he gets the spin zone is as long as you pay Dak, then he'll probably come back and you guys will be solid eight, nine and seven again.

Right. Right, right. I mean, that's who I love. I love him as a QB. I was huge. Tony Romo fan, too. I feel like a lot of people didn't really like Romo for whatever reason. I you know, you think about the the the fumble, OK, hold whatever. But it's like I always like the way Tony Romo played and then Dad came in. I was like, I like Dak a lot too.

And I really I really do have high hopes for Dak man. I hope I hope they hope they sign him. Figure it out. We'll see. Yeah.

Yeah. I actually did see this one last one from, from the sheet man of many looks throughout the years just like you, he's talking to me and he said fluctuate fluctuating and various weights which I actually notice because I'm a bigger guy myself who fluctuates. When you said at the beginning, you know, I'm trying to look after my health running a mile a day that is such a fat guy thing to say is like like I'll be I'll say that every now and then be like, yeah, you know what?

I'm on a diet. I went to the gym for twenty minutes today. I'm trying to get healthy and then did my for weeks from now on I'm eating a pizza, doing the same shit. So keep strong. Stay strong. Thank you.

I appreciate that man. You too bro. Well, we'll get there eventually right. One day at a time.

Yes. Yes. Well, yeah. Holidays are coming up. You're doing the pre holiday. I'm doing that right now too. Yeah, right.

Pre pre holiday. So I can bulk games right now.

You get to take that diet to January because it's the playoffs and the Super Bowl. Super Bowl. You want to eat good on the Super Bowl. So you kind of like ended December at the Super Bowl area this Valentine's Day. You want to go for a nice meal to be on time. It's like all summer. Summer's coming up. It's spring. All right. Let's get let's die together a little bit.

It's like a I think we figured out that America has really one month in which guys can realistically hope to die. And that's that's April. Like, right after March Madness is over, you get April to kind of true like not eat anything, just drink a lot of water, eat salad, and then that through Memorial Day and then Memorial Day weekend.

Memorial Day is like the kickoff for the kickoff of eating barbecue and drinking beer. So, yeah, yes.

Yes. Well, there's been awesome, man. We really appreciate it. We got to play some video games with you in Nick sometime.

That would be. I'm down, bro. I'm down. Let's get you guys in some more zone games or four. And I went in for another war zone. Which one do you like more? I'll play war zone.

I'm actually going to try to see how long I can last without firing a weapon.

Let's get a brawl. Let's get you in so that maybe like when you put you next to me, people be like, man, maybe I actually, you know, kind of decent, right?

Yeah, that would be the thing. Right. Right. Yeah. The old Adam case. Jay Cutler. Yeah.

I mean, why network sit in our studio and use the controls while I sit with a dummy controller and I Murdi New smart, smart, smart.

I like that. All right man.

Well, thanks so much. Really appreciate it. Absolutely. Man, I appreciate you guys having me. Thanks. Thanks so much for doing this. It's awesome. Yeah. Go check them out on Twitter.

Timna Tatman, very, very entertaining. Appreciates and appreciate you.

OK, thanks. It's in the Tatman next up. Pfft. We have we're going to go actually in chronological order for the year for our best of. And we have something that feels like it was ten million years ago, but it was the national championship in New Orleans. It really does feel like that was twenty years.

Makes no sense that this was eleven months ago. The best time. It was one of my favorite weeks I've ever had and one of my favorite mornings that I've ever had. It was right in the Sweet Zone when you were still drunk, but you hadn't quite started to get hung over yet. Right. And so you were feeling great about all your. Decisions which were probably questionable at best. Everything was funny, yes, like everything was giggling. Liam, what was your favorite memory from that morning?

Oh yeah, all that sleeping in Liam had we got back from the hotel at from after the game. We got back to the hotel probably like three or four in the morning.

Later, like four thirty. And we're sitting there, we're get in the lobby and in the lobby there's a guy disgruntled with a huge bag of delivery food and he's like calling and he's asking the front desk person and he's like, oh, like, I'm trying to bring this up to some guy named Liam. We're like, all right, we'll take care of it. So we went up to Liam's room, we got a keycard, we dropped it off.

We tried to wake him up. The next morning, we went back all the food. Nothing had been touched. And yeah, it was a good night in New Orleans.

It was wonderful. And the morning after was incredible. Talking to Joe and to Kocho. Ask him just like probably the same four questions over and over again. Pretty much. There was one point where I asked you a question, but I'd never really had a question. He just kept I was just like, you guys kick ass. Yeah, it's pretty cool watching.

And so it was the Michael Scott. Like, you start a sentence, you don't know if it's going to end or.

Oh, I knew what I wanted to say to him and I just wanted to be like, yo, do you know how much ass you kick? That was the question I wanted to ask.

Yes, pretty hard hitting stuff. But yeah, we just kind of lost a train of thought a few times. But one of the greatest mornings, one of the greatest weeks that we've had.

And and we're also going to throw in our interview with Jay Cutler, which is a great one as well. So we did that in New Orleans as well.

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Oh, all right.

We're in New Orleans. In the Marriott, we have the Heisman Trophy winner, the national champion winner, Joe Broe, Big Dick Joe.

That was awesome, but it's just like you said, you just woke up 10 minutes ago wearing the same clothes we wore last night, he slept through the the gold can we go interview or whatever it was was kind of on purpose.

Yeah.

Banging on my door at eight thirty in the morning, so I didn't really want to get up.

It is funny that they they make you do interviews now like you don't you have no obligations, like I won't be on camera and I would look like crap because I have I would have literally zero sleep.

Yeah. And I would be going on camera with these people would look like a fool.

Well now you're with us and we're doing this the exact same as the podcast, right.

They were they say, trust me, we are drunker than you are. Yes. You can't see my beautiful little eyes right now. Yeah.

So, dude, you won the national title.

Yes. Yes, we know. It's crazy. Pretty cool.

Were you ever at any point in the game worried because you guys did go down? Yeah, honestly, never. Not even know. Rah rah speech. No rah rah speech.

Like when we were down 17 seven, we didn't even say anything on the sideline, really. We knew we had.

I mean, that seems like you probably should, like, talk about the plays.

I mean, we really didn't we didn't say anything to each other. We went out there and started playing football like we knew we had to do. It was like the second or third play of the game where you rolled out first play the game, first play.

You're flush out the pocket and you roll out your right hit receiver downfield. They called it back. At that point. I was so mad because it was an awesome play. Is it was I don't care if there's a penalty on it. The play was so awesome that they should have let it stand. Yeah, let us remember that play.

That was a tough one. First play of the game and a minus three instead of plus forty five. Yeah, that was a tough one.

Well you also have like a thing going right now and I'm sure you've recognized it, maybe you haven't, but like you just can do whatever you want.

It ends up being a good play.

Yeah. Like you did against Oklahoma when you were just running and you just up.

You probably won't be able to do that in the NFL right now. You might as well be milking for all it's worth. Like I could just throw it up and get it.

We'll be talking in meetings about, like, protections and getting the blitz is picked up.

And I'm really good at that, but. I also say, if I don't get it picked up, they still have to tackle me back there. Yes, and they can't do that. Yes, hell yes.

Was there was there a rah rah speech that Kocho gave at halftime?

No, not really.

I mean, we just went and sat in there and went about our business, drink our water, said these guys can't mess with us and went back out and play football.

You guys can't mess this. I actually was more nervous for you guys at the second half when the second half starts. And I was like, if they score, if LSU scored seven here, game over. But Clemson scores. It's a three point game to get the two point conversion. You know, nerves then. No, like, hey, they just if they mess they on the same field, they just can't touch us.

I mean, you know, we I mean, we're playing as we were playing with so much confidence right there, I really don't think anybody ever could have could have stopped us. I mean, we were I mean, we were just rolling. We had I mean, I could just throw up a I could throw the ball with my eyes closed. My receivers were going to go catch it. That's how we felt.

And I mean, we were just playing with so much confidence.

You guys are the definition of a god damn machine. LSU is often the best team of all time.

LSU is off talking about that has been a machine this entire year, just steamrolling everybody. So it makes sense that you would be confident even after, you know, like a slow start, the first couple of drives that you're able to put together if you just do what you did all year leading up to this point.

So right now, it's just like what? So far I think we are scared. You know, I don't think it was a question. I was I got lost in it. Oh, here's a good question.

If you guys if everyone could see all of our faces right now, we're so small, they look like a bunch of whales that have just been this morning on the inside of your question.

And it was like it was like, where are we going to roll my eyes to be like, all right, we'll be all right.

Here we go, Hank. All right. We now welcome on The Man. The Myth. The legend is our good friend coach at Ojea on National Champion. Are you the king of Louisiana now?

I like Joe Burrowers. I think you just you just talked to the king of Louisiana. OK, so I know he's the prince.

You're the king. Do you get I'm pretty sure you are the king of the state of Louisiana.

Well, it's been great. It's been great to be in Louisiana. I just love the state.

Yeah. I think it's state law that you cannot legally purchased beer for the rest of your life. I think you're going to be paid for and taken care of from now on. Actually, you know, it's going to be interesting is like eighteen years from now, you're going to see a lot of college recruits coming into football, coming into play football that are named Ed. It has been a name that has kind of dropped off.

Yeah, but I think you're going to see some LSU baby's eighteen years from now. Big Ed is back.

Are you I mean, is insane. Have you had a second to be like this is it if they wrote this script about you, they wouldn't make the movie because it would be like, no, he can't actually go to LSU and win. Like, that's too not believable. Have you had a moment to be like, holy shit, this actually happened very thankful.

Like it could have been scripted. But you know what? You have to be in a place like LSU. Do what we do to attract the great athletes, to attract the great coaches. It's the expectation of the school. Yeah.

Yeah. Have you had a chance to sleep yet? You know what?

So about three hours last night. Really? Yeah, well, I got a little shut down. Did you put a worm in your mouth before the worm, man.

No, I don't, I don't have to stay motivated. It's crazy. I mean, it's like a well oiled machine. That was what Joe was saying.

We were just talking to he said there was no there's no rah rah speech at halftime. There was no talking about it. It was like we're better than them. We just got to go play our game, execute.

And, you know, we've got to believe in our players and coaches and the fundamentals. Unbelievable. Did you you set your jaw last night?

I set my jaw several times. Oh, yeah. I said it at halftime. And it's probably the biggest one that I did. And so message for for people who don't understand what we're talking about.

Kocho punches himself.

Well, we just got off just a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was literally just punching yourself just to get things going. Just a little bit like that I could not.

Do you ever get. Yeah. Do you ever get worried that you're going to knock yourself out though, because you're so strong that you can beat yourself up.

I've got to pull away. Here's a deal. You know, you know how you get in a fight. You've got a big plan and everything. All of a sudden the first bunch. Yeah, all bets are off, man. Yeah. You get and you can't get it out of gear. Yes. And that's what I want our guys to kick in another gear mentally. Yeah.

Because that the way the game started, you know, down early not. No. You know, the field position was a struggle. It was you guys just didn't unflappable. It was crazy. No, no, no.

You've got a quarterback like Joe. You believe you believe in the best player. But we got the coaches. When you score some points, we just have to figure them out.

Can we get Joe to get like a master's degree or something for for for a doctor? Yeah. Did you cry after did you cry after the game?

No, I didn't know I was good. No, no, not at all. And it is going to be emotional. I do believe when we get back to town, Baton Rouge at Tiger Stadium. Yes. They will want to come back there. 15 year old just means a lot. Want to see the stadium.

People are saying, like maybe one of the best, if not the best champions ever. You guys beat five of the top eight teams at the end of the polls.

I think we're in the conversation. Incredible. Sure.

Can I be honest? You look very put together right now, considering what time it is. The day after winning a national title, you obviously got up early, took care of yourself.

We are. We were literally rolled out of bed.

Sorry, coach. We partied harder than you do.

Bad. I feel bad. I don't know. I feel bad.

I feel bad. Coach. Oh, we we when we had Joe on, he told us this was right after the Heisman.

Ray Baker, we got to talk about Baker man. We make a great, great friend or a baker. We got to be our friend. You got to spend time with him. If you don't spend time with your big, you ask.

Joe actually told us. I think this was off the air after we're done recording our podcast. But he said that one of the first times he met with you, you asked him, what do you think about Ray Baker? And Joe is like he's a good player who's kind of bullshitting his way through it. And then you walked out of the room and then he looked to his buddy was like, Who's Ray Baker? And he's like, Oh, that's what Coach Joe calls the son, a big yellow ball in the sky, man raised in the sky.

Well, because. Yes, they will.

Yeah. Oh, man. All right. Well, I know you got to get going. We appreciate it any time. Can we just do go tigers like twenty times in a row. I mean, every time I love. Do you get mad as I get mad when they don't let you see tigers.

Right. You see it when you're walking in the like when.

OK, so if they're interviewing you at halftime and they don't let you have that go tigers, do you still say it.

Yes, I still say yeah every time. OK, good. That's good to know because I always get so upset when it's like, wait, you didn't let him say it. Put the mic back in front of him. He needs to be able to say, go tigers. I've got to go. Terry, go.

One last last question. Have you figured out what you're going to buy with your millions and millions of dollars that they're going to pay you down because you were going to be on your contract, a contract for life?

We'll do it.

Well, you'll need to go talk to me, but I'm sure LSU will take care of me. And it's not about the bills with you. And we'll put it with what you're good lord answer.

We'll get it.

We'll get you a contract for life. You guys want to play.

We'll get our lunch for life coach forever. That will be the name. That will be the head coach forever. Will be in front of your door.

All right, Kocho, congrats again. Unbelievable. So happy for you.

Thank you for your friendship. You guys are phenomenal.

Go tigers, go tigers. And now for something completely different.

OK, we now welcome on very special guest, old friend of mine. Owner of 14 Chicago Bear Records, which you didn't know till I just told you it is Jay Cutler, Mr. Prime time, Mr. Fourth Quarter. What other nicknames do you have, Smokin Jay? Anything else? I think that's it.

The sometimes confused for the bodybuilder builder.

Yeah, my son actually just found him on the Internet and thinks it's the wildest thing he's ever seen in our life.

So if you don't know we're talking about, go Google, do a Google image search for Jay Cutler and you'll be shocked what comes up.

First, I want to jump in real quick because big cat, when he showed you, he dropped the F word.

The friend word. Oh, yeah.

It was that over the line. Are you guys friends? Know we're friends. We're friends. Yeah. OK, we're back together. Yeah. Remember, there was a moment where it was we weren't together and now we're back. You know, sometimes you need some space, right? For years.

Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, exactly. Oh we texted here and there. Usually I would text Jay and then he would. Jay does a really good thing. Good job of making you feel really insecure by not texting you back until like a week later, like even this when we're coming to New Orleans. I texted him, I was like, hey, we're coming to New Orleans. It'll be awesome if you got you on the pod. And then he talked to our friend Steven and was like, yeah, big cat texted me.

I'm going to give that a few days back and then texted me like it was like total mid conversation is like, cool, we should hang out. Yeah, that was just dominance.

Yeah. All right. So I felt good about it. Yeah. Where do you want to start. Retirement. Feeling good. Are you officially retired. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yes. So tomorrow I said that because I don't know if you like ever like there's no retirement papers, you know, like you just, you just don't have a job anymore.

I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure that our retirement papers aren't there. If you're under contract, I think you have to fill something out. But if you don't have a contract or if you're not on the team, it's just it's over.

Yeah, I think a lot of people will be interested to know, like, how this how this bromance began, because I honestly I don't really know like what the start of it was. How how did you guys meet each other?

Well, Jase, Ben was always a long time stooling fan of barstool. Yeah. And I actually like, no joke like oh a lot to Jay because back in the day when we were starting Bastable Chicago, we had like no money as a company. And I remember I said to Dave, like, we got to make this shirt.

We put the Chicago flag with the part with the stools. It will sell like hotcakes. And he's like, I don't know who's back. Like, when shipping shirts took like a month. Yeah.

So I went had three of them handmade and got them to Jay and Jay Ward at a press conference.

And that was like our first big moment bar stool, Chicago.

Yeah, I remember whenever Basel is kind of up and rolling and you know, back then it was more just, you know, the written stuff with like a picture, a video and stuff. And you really got you. I feel like you really got to feel who whoever was writing, you know, their writing style and something. And we would always see even some of the guys when the big cats are doing it like this dude, is this too funny?

Like he gets it and then I don't know how we I found this.

Yeah. I can't remember what the exact connection I remember I met Chewey in the halftime of a Bears game and gave him the shirts. Yeah. And then we started hanging out from. I know but how do we first track you down. I can't remember.

Oh that's a good question. Fuck. Do you guys remember how you do.

Who was the guy for you. Oh yeah. Neil. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We brought him to your chair. That's right. The charity event. Yes I can. And I think you and you started. Yes.

The guy because you we would do your charity event every year. Yeah.

And then that started and it was huge because it's like the starting quarterback, the Chicago Bears is wearing our shirt and like a fan of ours. And now was it Greg Olsen who got you into Bar because he claims that he could be.

Yeah, I think we found it. I'll give him credit. We might have found it kind of so many times, but it was you and like you and Greg.

And I'm trying to think there's maybe a couple of other, but like, you know, Ryan Whitney, like there's basically three or four guys in like the early days who were pro athletes were like, these guys are funny. And it was so fucking huge. Yeah. I mean, you didn't you guys took it and just skyrocketed.

Yeah. And then you made a lot of money selling the color shirts, Marlboro cigarettes and marbles they give you that will not cease and desist. And that one got taken down the marble one. That was a great shirt. I have one. Yeah, you have one. I'll give you some more. I think we did a limited release we had with the dick a shirt that he wore at a press conference. That was a good one. Yeah, we were.

And then we yeah. We became friends in like we we would hang out, you know, every once a month.

And then and then I said I would take any Dalton over him on. I had the flu I was doing this was back when I had to like really grind. I remember I was playing hurt. You know, it's been Finfer was hosting eight to nine p.m. on ESPN. One thousand. And they're like, hey, can you come in? And so you're blaming. No, no. I mean, he was like, can you do this? I.

Like it was a point in my career was like, you don't say no to anything, you tell me where I'll be there. I'm doing it. I was I was, like, so sick. I pounded two Red Bulls in a day in two days. I mean, look, now you just wear jumpsuits and you call the shots. I mean, and some caller called in and was like, would you take Dalton or Cutler? And Andy was like five years younger.

And I was like, given everything, I'd probably take Dalton right now, went home, went to sleep, slept till like noon because I was so sick, woke up and there was a bunch of text messages being like, hey, big cat, way to go, dude. Like, you're just going to take Dalton over. Cutler Jay never said it to his credit. He never was like, fuck you, dude. It was his the rest of his crew that are loyal.

And they're like, what's your problem? And that was kind of it for a while to break.

Yeah, we went through a break and now we're back. But it was always like I mean, it was you know, it actually taught me an important lesson, too, because it was tough, I think, for you, too.

Like we were legitimate friends.

But I also had to talk about the bears. And when the bears went through bad times, it was like I can. And there were some dark times. Right. And I had to. And like I had and people always said, I didn't criticize you at all. And I still had to at times. And it was like it was a tough relationship to have at like some dark times.

So Romeo and Juliet, there were two star crossed lovers. We're back. We always had a good time together.

Yeah. Yeah, I like that. That's really, really it's good to be back.

It's good to be back. It feels good to probably be out in like two years again. That's fine. I mean, it goes in cycles. Right. But you get relationships, you're hot and you're cold. Yeah, right. You have to enjoy the ups when they're up.

You're right. Did you like this Smokin Jay Cutler stuff? I cigarette. I didn't mind it.

We we never I don't think we ever really told anyone to stop doing it. People have sold stuff and there's things everywhere and we never really went after anybody.

And you get into it with the picture that I took away, your 30th birthday party where he's dressed up like it was an 80s themed party. Right.

And that was like he leaned into it by by post and he posted a picture of him fake smoking a cigarette. Yeah.

Like they went wild for it. It was a funny meme.

I mean, your face is perfect for people. There are a lot of people who think you actually do, like, smoked two packs a day.

I know. Have you ever smoked no smoke at all, really?

No, I've never dropped a cigarette into your ass. And that in the naked pictures that I put online is very funny.

Why did you do that? Because I got I got to caption it Jay Butler and everyone thought that was funny. That's pretty good.

Well, that's a good I don't think you write your caption for your ass. That's my thing.

No, but I see I'm better at writing captions for your own ass than you are.

That's not an athletic event. That's probably. Yeah, that's probably true. You don't know the Olympics are hurting for events, are they that that like cabbies.

Like they do. OK, Jerry, I do want to get a team together for the Olympics. They have like I think it's handball, but it's basically like a little ball that you throw around and then throw into a goal.

So it's like soccer, indoor soccer with a ball that you throw.

Oh, you should play that. You'd be right. Handball player. That would be so sick if you started, if you like. There's there's a U.S. team like I want to go and do that. Yes, you should. Just on missiles.

I think if it was you, Patrick Mahomes and LeBron, just how many players playing handball.

Like eight on Showtime. So it was you three against eight players from any other country? I think we won.

I think I guarantee we can put a team together to win gold. Yes, guaranteed. I would absolutely agree with that. Yeah.

Just just from pure, like, arm speed.

I don't think the guys in other countries and just a really big guys going back. Right. If you watch it. I mean, I've studied this from time to time. It sounds like you're ready to go if you watch it. Usually all these teams like have an old guy that plays goalie that's just like he literally if someone's coming in, he just like just guesses and just throws.

Yeah. Sometimes hits the ball. Sometimes I. All right. So you're in for that.

OK, let's do we're doing chronological. So let's go to Super Bowl.

Super Bowl also something that feels like a million years ago in Miami. Well, Miami. Yeah, fuck is Miami.

It was like the week before the Pindel got announced. It was right before the pandemic got announced. Before we sold out. Right before the pandemic got announced. Yeah. Yeah.

So people are eating bats across the world without even a second thought.

We were just happy go lucky regular time. Yup. So we have George Kittle who played in the Super Bowl, David Baker, the man, the myth, the legend from the Hall of Fame and Baker Mayfield.

That's kind of funny, huh?

Oh, yeah. Baker Mayfield. I like that David Baker, Mayfield, anything.

So, yeah, we're not going to bullshit, right? I don't think so. Well, unless if the Super Bowl. Yeah. The bills with the bills or the Washington football team, then we probably probably going to go. But it's going to be weird. It's we're not going to the Super Bowl.

It's going to be strange, but it's also probably for the best. Yeah. That's going to be an awesome week of relative rest and relaxation compared to what we normally do that week. That's true. That is true. All right, so what we normally do that week is a ton of interviews. So here it is, George Kittle, David Baker, Mayfield, look at that combo.

My biggest question to you is, who is under more pressure or you or your dad because your dad sends you a letter before every game.

Kind of a try. Hard move. Yeah. This is the most important letter of his life. Like, how do you send a Super Bowl letter?

What do you write in a Super Bowl letter? That's his Super Bowl. Yeah, it is.

What has he already started it? Oh, yeah. What are you expecting in this letter?

All right. So put in perspective like a normal game day letters is that's like three to five pages. So it's not like there's pictures. No, it's big. You know, it's a big font that he throws a lot of pictures in this pop up. OK, yeah. You know, it's. Yeah, you can open. OK, NFC championship game was ten pages like it was like a full ten.

It's like Dickens domestic and so, so now it's the Super Bowl.

I'm expecting like 15 pages. And what time is you going to give it to you. I get it the night before the game. All right. Because I was going to say I would definitely fall asleep halfway through. And I don't I don't read it it at the stadium, though. Oh, yeah.

So are you prepping that? Are you telling everyone like, hey, coach, I'm gonna need a little extra prep time because Dad's going to give me, like, Moby Dick before this. I might get on the early, early bus. Yeah, yeah. I got to give myself an extra thirty minutes.

It always make it would be more powerful if you just wrote you like one line for this game, just like don't screw this up.

Yeah. You're always wrong about the club. No. Like you're always the champion in my eyes. Yeah. If you lose you're out of the family. Oh I don't know if you go that route. I like the other one. You said though. Just don't screw this up. Yeah. No, I'll throw him out of the club. Yeah.

Thrown out the window. So what are you expecting in this lake?

Is you going to make you cry. Yeah. Is that his goal? Like. No, I would assume that it wouldn't be good for you to cry before the Super Bowl.

It's like one of those checklists I have before I go on in the field. I do. It's like it's part of my routine. And I don't do letters just they consist of whether it's, you know, family memories or, you know, movies that we used to watch as a kid when I was growing up.

It's going to make you cry. Oh, he's going to go. He's going to make you pull. He pulled a quote from Hildago, which is a, you know, do you know the Viggo Mortensen movie, Horse Racing? He's like, pull a quote from that.

I was like, Dude, come on, man. I like that. I watched when I was like ten really made me cry.

So what's what else is on the checklist before a game? You read the letter from your dad. Yeah. What do you do to mentally and physically or do you have anything else weird that you do if you also want to know?

So as soon as we come back in from warm ups, I go puke really 100 percent for every game, every game.

That probably makes you feel a little bit better.

It does make you better.

Yeah, I always think I'm like, I'm a step faster now. Yeah, that's my positive mindset.

And then as soon as we're walking out, I put my helmet on my head, but it was almost as far as I can. It's good that you have that in the right order. Well, no helmet on. First helmet. Yeah. So I learned that the first hit is always like hurts the most. So get it out of the way. Yeah. And there's no first hit.

Yeah. I always felt that was like smart playing sort of contact sport. All the like fear and apprehension you have kind of goes out the window the first time you get hit because your mind isn't like doesn't have time to worry about all stuff you get. Just get out of the way. Exactly. Yeah. Just a heads up.

You've never played in the Super Bowl. Neither have we, but we've watched all of them. It goes really fast. It say the speed is crazy in the Super Bowl, so be ready for the speed. Have you played or are you played in the Super Bowl in Madden?

Oh, dear. Not just pride like 2008, maybe do it. Maybe you get like a PlayStation in your hotel room and simulate like sit down and play a few games just to get used to that game.

GameSpy, against you and the fans and all that, the madness of the stadium, it's going to be different. Picture it. I just heard you say you just dropped in. Oh, dear.

And you kind of slipped into the Todd and Gordo. I know you're a big fan.

You think that you're Canadian sometimes. We've heard that from some of your teammates. I think it was article in The Ringer that said, like, sometimes he actually does believe that he's Canadian. Yes. Yeah. So as Todd and Gordo in your presence, I'd like to maybe like trade, trade off or services. We have an idea of maybe something we could do to help you. And then I don't think I want to explain that. Then I have a request from you.

Yeah.

We're going to so much like your dad writes you an entire book before every single game.

You as a fan of Todd and Gordo. We haven't done talking Gordo. I'm like two and a half years. Yeah, I've been pretty disappointed.

Suck it all. And I told you this probably three weeks ago. I was like, if you get to the Super Bowl, we will make a Todd and Gordon hype video. Why do you think I was playing so hard? Yeah.

So wait, so should we not release it till after the Super Bowl or at least a second?

OK, so that comes after the Super Bowl hype video before the Super Bowl.

We are going to make a special edition, Todd and Gordo, like one minute Instagram hype video that you're going to release on your Instagram. Then on like Friday or Saturday I'm in and it's going to get everyone pumped up. It's easy. OK, so as our payment for that, what's your bonus if you win the Super Bowl?

I don't there's no chance.

I don't like actually even you probably don't even have access to your own bank account.

Well, partial. Yeah. Could say yeah. And I do that.

So I was going to say like we either get fifty percent, no big deal, just like maybe 50 to 60 whatever. Another Super Bowl bonus. OK, or if you win Super Bowl MVP, you get a Todd and Gordo tattoo.

Oh. Oh. Do you have. If we inspire you to. OK, yeah.

So that's no problem. No, no, no. I like the do both. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're perfect. You drive a hard bargain. Yeah. You really are negotiating. We do negotiate contracts like Richard Sherman.

No. OK, I'll pay someone to do that.

That's probably for the best. What about the reset button that you have on your arm. Is that the Joker. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, it's in the what was the article said that in that same article you have a reset button that you hit and.

Oh, it is the Joker.

Yeah, I used to have this tape on and I put a big red button on it in college so I'd slap it and visualize going.

Yeah, yeah. So you don't do that anymore. You don't have the you just do the Joker Joker reset yourself.

I just want to really quickly go back to how the actual selection goes down because I think it's fascinating. So you guys are all in a room.

It's fifty people. Right. Forty eight, 48 elite selectors, elite selectors.

And you have people come up, make the case. So you whittle it down from a pool of how many to choose really every year.

This is a different because it's the centennial. Right. And we're having twenty four, twenty twenty. But you know, most years it'll be eighteen finalists. OK, you know generally that's a senior and contributors that make up three and then it is players and coaches who make up the other fifteen finalists. Right. And the seniors and coaches, you know, kind of go out on their own. And then when we get to that fifteen you go from fifteen to ten and then you kind of whittle it down to five.

And now what does that room like? Are people arguing? Is it the greatest sports debate of all time, like a king complaining about the coffee? Yeah, it seems like a fascinating place to be. Well, listen, we've learned a long time ago the way to get elite media. There is food. Yes, OK. Yes. Diet Coke could use for you guys to appreciate that. I know. But no, I think it's it's one of those things, pfft.

Where Peter King told me that he does a hundred and twenty interviews all year round just to prepare for that one day. And we've got guys like John Clayton and so Paolantonio and Jarrett Bell from USA Today and these guys take it.

I wish fans could see. Yeah. How seriously they take it. And most of them say that it's the most important day of their year.

Well, knowing how much NFL fans love the NFL, I think we should probably put it in like the middle of April and make it a TV show.

Well, listen, we you know, we watch it the Times endorsement, when they had the whole editorial board sit down, they put it, yeah, that would make a very I watched the whole day.

Well, I'll tell you, there's things that we're looking at in the future that might be a little bit different. Right. But I will tell you, these guys, you know, I didn't get this job just because I'm smart and good looking. I got four hundred pounds. And you need a big guy who to run this meeting.

No one's going to give anything back to you literally have the best knock of all time. I think that was really just the resume, right? Well, it just took a piece of wood in there, like here. Knock on this. Do you mind knocking on this table right now? I'm absolutely here. That's a Hall of Fame. Yeah. That's why you got the job. OK, yeah.

But you know. Let me tell you, we've got to be done by a certain time because we announced our guys live to the world really in the middle of a high point of the honor show. Right. And so we got to move. And but it'll take you so many times that I've been here. It's taken 10, 12 hours for the blue ribbon committee that selected this centennial class. You know, they met together for about 21 hours. Wow.

And and guys are passionate about it. And one of the things I'd love for I can't share what goes on in that room or what's said, but I can tell you that. Good stuff. Bad stuff, right?

I mean, guys really get into it. You have to have an honest conversation. And and that's why it's confidential so that guys can share stuff and bounce it off. But I do think it's when you make it into the Hall of Fame, you have gone under an incredible level of scrutiny by a whole lot of people who are experts at doing it.

Yes. What's interesting is that, you know, you've got the the centennial people that are getting in right now. Can you expand the class a little bit? I think as the as the years move forward, you're going to run into a lot of logjams along the way because of how the game is grown in the media. It's expanded so much that people are more way more familiar with players that play it. And, you know, the early 2000s, late 2000s, up to the modern day, then they were even with guys that played in the mid 90s.

Those guys are, you know, since TV rights weren't ubiquitous, they weren't everywhere. You couldn't watch them on every single bar. Those guys are in danger of kind of falling by the wayside, even though they had great careers. Is there something that you guys have planned going forward where you make sure that there are some spots in perpetuity for the older players?

That's really what the centennial class was about. You know, I mean, this year we have 10 seniors in that class and you may not know Max Speed or Bobby Dillon or Duke Slater, you know, but Duke Slater was an African-American who played for 10 years on the NFL from 1920 to 1930. Let me tell you, you better be a good player at that time, you know, to play in the NFL during that time, a great player.

And so we have our senior committee and our senior committee meets all by itself a lot of time. And it's to find guys who may have fallen between the cracks. Right. And then we have our contributors committee because the league isn't just those guys who are on the field. It's those guys who were owners who paid for payroll out of their kid's college fund because they had to make it, or those general managers who put these teams together or a great guy like Steve Sabol.

I mean, you guys are a little, you know, not a big part of the reason why we got in the game.

I'll tell you, I fell in love with others because of Steve say, well, it wasn't just the score all of a sudden. It was the frozen tundra of Len Whitfield and that cloud of grass coming out of your face mask in a horrible way to me that showed you the determination, right?

Courage. Absolutely. And the character of things. And and then we're looking at a special category just for coaches, because sometimes, you know, for a lot of modern era guys. And one of the things the Hall of Fame does, it's pretty cool is you got to wait five years after you retire to be considered. So if Tom Brady or Drew Brees, you know, was to retire now or Eli Manning retired just the other day, that's five years from now before he's eligible for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

And I think that's a pretty smart move because it gives perspective. It allows time for history to settle and to go into it. But it's a very difficult process.

It is, you know, with so many media outlets like yourself with, you know, the cell phone and, you know, Brett Favre on the Internet, it is there's an opinion everywhere and it's extremely controversial.

But what I would say is it should be hard to make it into the hall. Yeah, absolutely. It's not the hall of very, very good. That's the Hall of Fame. People forget that is I want to be your position. I want to be the president of the Hall of very good. Do you what steps do you recommend I take to achieve that dream? You know what? I'll tell you. You know you to me and I've only known you here for maybe, you know, twenty minutes.

Right. But I would tell you, you excel at mediocrity.

Well, that's nice. That is the nicest compliment I've ever got. Not everyone can do that. I got butterflies in my. You're on your way to graduate. Can we talk about you first. Knock on my own door. Congratulations. Pfft. Thank you. Fifty.

You didn't play football because you were quote, too literally too big to play football. Yeah. What does that mean. You you were a great basketball player.

You played in college. I played in pros where I can it up the way you to play football as a kid. OK, OK. And you know, when I was eight or ten years old, you know, I was about to site and so my eight year old. Yeah. And they would have put me in with, you know, with 15 year olds. Right. But we kind of corrected this and the next generation with both my kids, right?

You know, Sam played in the NFL and the other three time all-American AC and Ben played both in high school and some at Duke. And and but I've always loved football the most.

Yeah, but I love about basketball. Got me to college. Right. And for me, it's important because we all come from someplace. Yeah. You know, for me, my mom and dad couldn't read or write, and if it wasn't for sports, I wouldn't have gone to college. I would have gone to law school, had the opportunity to play around the world. And I certainly wouldn't be sitting with guys like you here, which is probably downgrade.

And, you know, we're sitting in a pretty special place.

I love that story, though, because you are you know, the guy who's basically in charge of the history of the game.

You're the president, CEO of the Hall of Fame, and you love football. From everything I've read more than pretty much anyone who's ever walked this earth. And you can play. But that almost is like poetic and perfect because that's how much you love it.

You know, that's kind. And I appreciate it. I do love it.

And again, what I love about sports and this may be a serious topic for you guys.

No, but what I'll tell you what I care about it is there are so many lessons you can learn from sports.

You know, my guys on the Pro Football Hall of Fame in terms of race, they were way ahead of the curve and they care about each other and they love each other. We just lost Cristol in the last night. And you should see my phone with blowing up from the Hall of Famers, you know, and and there's something about that huddle, you know, that, you know, when I was cheering for my son at USC and we'd go to Notre Dame, we take 15000 Trojans with us.

But let me tell you, you go to Lambeau Field and you're in the NFL and you're lucky if there's 50000 right there. Right. But you get into that huddle and that huddle when you get in the huddle, nobody says, hey, you Republican or Democrat. All right. Hey, before we do this, you know, what's your position on social change? Right. You know, frankly, the only thing that matters is me trusting you, you trusting me, the color of our uniform, not the color of our skin.

Yeah. And that is just one thin sliver of this. Right. And what I love about this and again, I'm probably getting way too serious for, you know, a little bit of it. But what I love about this and the job I get to do is, yeah, I got the greatest job in the world because I'm hanging out with some of the best football players in the world. But I've learned that they're pretty good people.

And the game isn't just for those guys who have a bronze bust. Are those guys who got paid for it. Like my son, the game is for guys who become firemen and soldiers and police officers and fathers and and, yeah, I believe these principles and a whole lot of dedicated coaches who taught him. My son who played in the NFL is now coaching high school and he doesn't need to. He made a lot of money standing on the shoulders of these other guys, and he'd be the first one to say it.

But what he wants to do, he wants to have an impact in the lives of some kids, the way other coaches had an impact on him. And respectfully, you know, when your life is, you know, screwed up and every one of us are at some point, OK, when your life is screwed up, you don't go back to your chemistry teacher, your calculus teacher for life advice.

But I'll tell you, almost all of us go back to that coach. Yeah. And I really believe that it's because that coach teaches you how to keep going when you don't think you can or how to get up when you can't. So I love this because they're so it's great football and man, I love football, but I don't love it as much as John Madden does.

Yeah. Or some of the other guys that I've been with. I mean, that's where they you know, Bill Belichick, Bill Belichick was on our blue ribbon committee, OK? And he said it was one of the best days of his career. This guy with eight rings, you know, talking about, you know, being at the Hall of Fame on that day, making history by selecting the centennial class. These guys love the game. Right.

And to me, it's it's it's a fun game to be with your friends, to scream and yell, to cheer for your team, to drink a beer. But there are so many wonderful lessons in it. And it's done.

It's done a lot for me. Sports has done a lot for me.

It's done a lot for my two boys. Right. And I hope that I and we can get back to it.

And now for something completely different, I notice that you're going on get up tomorrow morning. So it's a good cast tomorrow morning. Yeah. A lot of people that really like me. Yeah. So especially Rex Ryan. Yeah. I'd get up tomorrow. You think he's going to wear orange. Brown.

He probably will to try to like diffuse the situation a little bit. But don't fall for that. No, no. Don't fall for it.

Can I give you like some things that you can use. I would love to hear you're a quick guy, so I'm sure that you're going to be prepared going into it. If he starts talking about your season, say, I'd say that you really put your foot in your mouth, but you'd probably enjoy that more.

Got them boom roasted. I don't think you can come back from that. No, if you say that it's over, you just you can just walk off like this and one mix tape.

Yeah, show's over. That's a good one or not. That was my best. Yeah.

I think that's the problem that I had was the willingness and commitment to continue talking to people that didn't matter. That was my biggest issue. And I know people talked about the chip on your shoulder and I said it a million times in the league. They don't care about a chip on your shoulder now. It's grown men. What did you what did you learn about the dynamics of the NFL that you couldn't translate that kind of Elmo from college?

It's a humbling experience for me. Yeah. I mean, let's just be honest. I put my foot in my mouth a lot this past year.

Yeah. You're not even the best coach in your family. Yeah. Like Rob is a better or, you know, he looks and he's a better looking guy.

He's got better hair. Yeah, absolutely. The better hair part.

You can also do the casual. Hey, Rex, it looks like he lost weight knowing he didn't. So it's like, what the hell? Like I'm still really fat. Yeah. Like that's a great one. That always hurts my feelings when people say that to me. And I haven't lost real good though. Thank you. That hurt my feelings. I have a back.

I'm dealing with a bad picture right now of my right breast that has been going around the Internet, whatever it's, you know, bad timing, shadows, everything.

Like it's a whole lighting. Yeah, right.

And he did get off a plane like two days ago. So again, the floating right. That's right.

OK, moving along in the calendar combine into another thing will probably miss this year sucks.

Yeah. I mean the combine, I think they're just going to hold it remotely. It's going to be a great season for lying about your height if you're a player. Oh yeah. You can get away with murder. Yes.

And also just like doing the frozen face, if they ask you something like, hey, is your mom a stripper? Yeah, he's just like what you cut out. Was it Jeff Ireland? Hey, does Brian your mom's a hooker, right? Yeah, right. Yeah. But yeah, the Kombai is going to be really strange this year. I think it's going to be all done on Zoome. But if you were to put money on, I would put money that the coaches are still going to go to India and just get drunk for a week.

Yes, that's absolutely.

It's Disney World for Scouts. Yeah, they absolutely. They probably are like tell their wives and kids, like, you got to get out of the house because I'm just going to treat this like it is. What is it? What are the crime?

57 St Elmo's St. Elmo's is going to be doing Raila's of wasabi. So.

All right. So we have Adam Schefter, which was the assault is the first time we've seen him since the assault. And then we have Mike Vrabel talking to him about the combine playoff run the Titans had and a lot more.

Before we get to that, though, pfft. Yeah, I do.

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It is our friend, Adam Schefter, the Adam Schefter podcast, also an insider at NBA and NFL assault assault. We're off. So I figured we'd start there.

I mean, it's been on my mind. I was actually thinking about this before you got here. Yeah.

If I could sit down and talk to anyone regarding that situation, I wouldn't talk to Myles Garrett. I want to talk and talk to Mason Rudolph and say, hey, how'd that feel? Not the LB's, not Baker. I just want to know Adam Schefter assault. What was it that night? Battery.

Whose battery is battery, the battery. The next time I was his actual harm.

But were you as of were you as upset as you watch that as the assault tweet made me know, basically you're watching it.

And the only thing I could think of is he just assaulted that assault. He assaulted them.

So it's as you say, that again, he assaulted them.

No, he just said little animation. So assault.

So it was assault that's going to prove that into you, did you think?

I think the period is what really set it over the top two assault period. It just some about it. That's we might be my favorite tweet from twenty nineteen.

You know, the funny thing is I haven't seen it show up anywhere since then, like nobody's tweeted me.

So when you guys have to realize this is the first time that anybody's brought that up since then, it is great. Like you, you can apply the tweet assault to just about anything that happens online. Any time someone doesn't unravel.

Assault is just a great reply to it's like something you always need to have in your back pocket.

Right. And credit to you. I think that five years ago, Adam Schefter probably would have had fun with it. But you did right away. You kind of took the piss out of it, which was great, because that makes it funnier where it's like, yeah, it's assault. Well, period.

Again, I've been through this enough to know that it's not going to go away, that it's going to follow me around. And so now we'll just have to come up with something again in the future, whatever that may be trying to supplant us all.

Yeah, this will happen naturally at some point. So organically in the aftermath of the assault.

Yeah, I personally like the game super size.

We can say it, but after the assault I was I was very well connected in certain circles and I heard that there were rumors that there may have been some tapes out there. You're a big the tapes exist, guy. Oh, we'll get yeah. We'll get to that again in a second. But did you also hear the same rumors that there were tapes of what was said on the field just prior to the assault? I've never heard anything like that.

I've never heard the tapes. I don't know that those tapes exist. And there are a wide array of opinions about what did and didn't happen. And I don't I don't think we'll ever know what didn't didn't happen. I mean, it's amazing to me that Myles Garrett says this, says you heard it. And Mason Rudolph is vehement in his denials. He defended by his coach. And you've got people sticking up for him. So who's right right now?

So in terms of Myles Garrett going forward, we're still doing Myles Garrett Mason enough in this whole thing mostly. I mean, it was quite a night. I'm so glad I didn't go to bed.

Well, really, the only that's the funny thing is I actually did. Oh, so you woke up and that was the first thing that even makes me sick. And I go, that's that's what you like. When was praecox in Minority Report you were sleeping and you're like, there's a crime that's about to act like you're dozing off.

I was dozing off. I was watching it. There's a TV in my closet and my watch. Yeah, this. That's true. So, yes, just basically she while she watches her show, I go into my little closet with a little TV and I watch there's no football. And oftentimes, to be perfectly frank, I'll be sitting in my chair and I'm watching the screen and I just kind of doze off and I happen to doze off. And I woke up.

I'm like, what day?

What the heck just happened? So you watching this in your closet? Yeah, in a tiny TV woke up assault.

So that's that's all so much so that had so much color. Yeah.

It is also like that this is obviously going to be very something that's not relatable to like the wider audience. But in terms of content creators, there's nothing worse than when you wake up in something big has happened and you're like, wait, what I slept through Kevin, where's leg injury? I literally took a nap during it. And when, my God, are you OK? And I'm not OK, but time throws.

I woke up, I was like, why is there no time on? Like, why has there only been thirty, thirty seconds that have gone by and I've been asleep for thirty minutes. And then I realize Kevin, where the whole injury. But that is the worst feeling waking up be like what just happened. Jolted awake.

Yeah right. That's, that's, that's a sensory assault. Right. Exactly. That's a big time sensory.

So some people live life on the West Coast as they wake up and it's noon on the East Coast and they've already missed. Who knows how many examples of assaults? That's that's one of the challenging parts of being on the West Coast, like either you're getting up late, like I can't even imagine, like the world is going on.

Right. Stock markets crash. You would freak if you live on the West Coast, we'll be a different deal, like free. You know, I could live there now.

You would you would be freaking. Yeah. We were lucky enough that I had met the second half of that game. So that's why we were still watching, because I was like, oh, my God, they could still score like a back to recover something. That assault happened. You just mentioned something that I want to do, a follow up question. What's your favorite Real Housewives?

Well, I watched the New York one.

I watch New Jersey, New Jersey.

Like Bethenny. I do like Bethenny.

I don't like you then, you know, like she got divorced from the counties, the count, and she still calls herself a countess. Now, that's not Bethenny.

Oh, time. Bethany, this is a skinny margarita girl. Yeah. Do you like it? Sorry. That's where I met.

I think Suzanne likes herself.

Oh, yes. All right. All right. So you're New York and New Jersey. That's kind of me sometimes throwing a little ossy, but they're firing all the all the women out there. So it's going to be weird.

New Jersey. New York. Yeah. Bethany, yeah. She the guy she got divorced from on TV, he seemed like like the nicest guy in the world. Yeah.

I don't I mean, that's crazy. Is it a reality television show. Didn't really show like the person's true personality one way or the other.

But it's not all legit. It's not like do that happens in the real world. It's real. Yeah. I call it the real world. I don't know about that guy, but the five minutes I saw him in a heavily edited program, I think he was a good guy.

OK, we now welcome on recurring guest and very good friend of the program. It is coach. I call him coach.

It's like three braves. He gets mad when I call him coach. Like Eli Manning.

I was like, congrats man. What a career. Unbelievable. Phenomenal. He's like, thank you, coach. And I'm like, Eli, they cut the bullshit.

I say, Can we just go with Braves? He goes, Yes, sir.

That's a very good story. Are you are you mad at Eli at all about the Super Bowl?

No.

I mean, that's that sports that team got better. You know, that's that's that's a great example of a team that was a wild card that played is very tight end of the year, the last game.

And they improved to their credit, they were playing the best football at the end of the year.

That's a it's a great message to not only my team, but a lot of people see a Hall of Famer.

You know, I don't I don't vote for Hall of Fame.

But I mean, I really try not to focus on Hall of Fame and this and that. The guy who played really well in big games.

OK, so he is. Yes. Or isn't he? He played very well in big games. So yes. I mean, if you guys got to vote, would you vote if it was not the hall.

Very good. And he was very good. Don't hide behind those attacks, but you could use a lot line.

You want to go wrong if you don't do it out, will all blow on graves. All right.

I like that you're committed to the best game, by the way. I love it, even though you're not sure that's it.

So your team is talking about the Giants. Your team obviously didn't get always Super Bowl, but there was a little bit of that like peaking at the right time last year.

Are you were you after the season over, could you have a moment where you're like, man, that was really good. Like we it was.

And I try to tell our team that I think they were frustrated and everybody was disappointed that we weren't going to be able to play for a championship.

But I was proud of the way that they continue to improve from where we were the early part of the season. And we did we were playing our best football late. But I think they also realize that and everybody did that.

That's a tough road to go down. A four straight road playoff games is essentially what we did was Houston, New England, Baltimore, Kansas City. And that's not the way that's not the recipe to to win a championship. We're going have to play well enough during the season to be able to host some of those games.

Yeah. So during the start of that playoff run, you guys play against New England. That was a great game before the game you played was a catch me if you can pick a clip as like a motivational.

So I always enjoy that movie.

What Frank Abagnale Jr and the dad, you know, is in debt and he needs to get a loan and he pulls his son up in his Cadillac. And there are these nice suits and young Frank doesn't understand what they're doing. And his dad's like, we're going to act like we have money in this bank manager is going to walk out here and he's going to open the door for us. And Frank, still figuring all this out. And then he says, you know why the Yankees always win?

Because they have Mickey Mantle. He says no, because everybody's always staring at the pinstripes.

And I kind of like it. And just a nice message to be like there's going to be when we get there and we go down on the field, there's going to be six banners that say world champion, boom, boom, boom.

Like that's not going to determine the game was my only point was like, let's not stare up at the banners and worry about what they've done. We got to go try to compete with them. That's like Hoosiers measuring the hoop. No same difference.

Ten finfish, same thing. Ali, getting on. Come on. Ten feet all time.

Moment when we want to go call my dad and. Yeah, try. Right. Yeah, let's do it. You probably knew all the tricks that Belichick was going to pull out, like putting the giant thermometer's in the. Always let you know that it's actually like 10 degrees colder than you think that it is. It's just keeping everybody updated on the weather report. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about the tricks. When you guys when you basically became a time traveler in that game, how long had you known that that loophole was there?

And for a while, it's just unfortunate that we were never in a situation to use it. You have to be ahead in the fourth quarter, right in that situation with the clock running outside of five minutes. And, you know, whatever the league chooses to do, we're going to play by the rules that they give us. And and that was available to us.

Were you when you saw the situation and at first click like, oh, here we go. Like I'm about to time travel.

Well, I think you just try to actually to Belichick. You know, I think what you try to do is try to anticipate what the situations in the game can be.

You are excited.

Don't give me coach speak. Well, no, I'm just trying to say, like, it's not like spur of the moment. It's like, OK, depending on what happens here, like, are we going to go for it? You hit and then we had a penalty.

So it was like, let's just storm the Rainbow Road shortcut.

You just jumped past, like, you know, half of the track. Right. It was it's something that we felt like could help us win the game as coach speak as I could possibly.

Well, whoever was on the other side, like we would have executed that situation in that moment, though, as it was happening, as you were time traveling, were you trying hard not to smile because you knew how cool it was?

No, I mean, I think that I've realized I've gotten good at being able to to vomit and puke in my mouth about showing when bad things happen. So I try to do the same thing. When good things happen is just try to stay, keep my composure.

OK, so after the game, after that game, you had some fun with Tom Brady's hyena's video. Do you think that's going to hurt your recruitment of him?

I thought that was actually a great compliment to our football team, nice, because that's who I think we want to be, is these animals that that hunt and travel in packs and our competitive, vicious.

And I think that's how we try to approach our game and our preparation.

All right. Well, so we just did. Adam Schefter, Mike Vrabel, and it happened after the combine. Well, shit kind of fell apart. I remember vividly to watching the last game I watched that I can remember is Wisconsin versus Indiana, Wisconsin winning a share the Big Ten and being like, I can't wait for the tournament. And then all the tournaments were canceled.

Yeah, well, no, Gonzaga won. Gonzaga won their tournament. That happened.

Duke lost. Duke does not qualify for the NCAA for a couple other tournaments. I think that that actually took place. I think they played one game in the Big East.

Yeah, right. I went to that one. Yeah. One half one half of the game played one game.

This second round they played one half. So I think it was St. Johns and Georgetown were like, fuck it, we're playing. Yeah.

Chris Bowen was out there like I will punch the coronavirus in the face if I see it.

Florida State counted themselves to win. Yeah. Actually they played around of the ACC as well because I'm pretty sure and see USC lost and I had a future on them and then it's like, couldn't they have just not played. Yeah.

And then the world just stopped all of a sudden and I said I would inject myself with covid but whatever. We'll put that clip in there. Pfft.

I'm going to say something that I may at some point regret, but I'm going to say it anyway. Permission to go there.

Granted if they cancel and they I don't even know who decides this. They big time today. Obama big day. If they cancel March Madness. I'm not talking about play it with no fans which would make it significantly less fun. But still we can watch it if they cancel it outright, cancel it. I will get coronavirus the next day. Wow. I will get caught a big man because I do not want to be healthy in a world where March Madness does not exist yet happen.

When we get the the the vaccine, I will take it right away. I'll do it.

We'll do a live stream of us taking them that would technically count as injecting yourself with coronavirus. If you've got the one that is the Yes live, I'll get them all. I will get every single one.

Well, yeah, yeah. We'll do it on live stream so that the public knows that it's OK to get the vaccine. Yeah. Yeah we'll do that. We'll do that for the people. All right.

So that means that we get a skip to the front of the line. Correct. We're that's just that's a coincidence.

We're not playing that. I did have a moment where I was like, are we essential? No, OK.

I think podcasters, podcasters are the most essential business in the world. It's like second us first and then the people who actually make the vaccine, well, I should get it before them. I was like, we we're not hospital workers, we're not frontline workers.

But are we essential? In a way we are on the front line. Yeah, I mean, we're we are the there are first responders right now.

We're listening to this podcast. I mean, we we are second responders. We make the economy go right with the amount of stimulus that we order.

Yes, absolutely. So we have our covid special. So it's talking about coronavirus before it actually happened. Dungeons and Dragons love is blind, remember? I remember. Massacre. Massacre. Oh, my God. I hope she's doing well. Yeah, I do, too.

Blake Griffin winning the Blake of the Year. Horace Grant for the last dance in Barbara Corcoran. So this is a full covid what happened in those six months? MASH up. So get ready for that.

You're probably a million interviews that we did during covid when we were on Zoome that I just don't remember that I put out like you remember we interviewed LaVar Ball. I did not do. He said, you remember we interviewed Jack. What's his name. Jack LB Dick Pound. Dick Pound. Dick Pound from the International Olympic Committee.

Yeah, there's a lot we interviewed Mark from Love is Blind.

Yeah, that's that's true. I remember that. Yes. Jesus Christ. All right. So here's our covid special part of my team.

Weird. Yeah. Yeah. OK, it is that time again, we have our very, very good friend, Tim Woods, back. How do we start?

In theory, I would start by, first of all, just highlighting who your characters are. And I know we didn't do this last time, but in theory, you can come up with a name for your character and decide as much backstory for them as you want new players. I never worry too much about that because we're going to be learning who these characters are together. But I'll say generally you would pick your character. And what we could do is we had some great character selections last time.

We had a barbarian, a bard in a warlock. That's a great group. We can pick those same characters again if we want, or we could pick different characters like a different fighting type, a different spell cast, or we didn't we don't have. Well, the Bard is kind of a sneaky, still skill-based character. So we have a lot of the best characters we could get with anyone. And I would say I always say there's four different categories, the feisty types, the spell casters, the healers and the sneaky Skill-based characters.

Was anyone interested in hearing about them or did they just want to grab their own character?

I personally feel like we should run back our characters and add film crew. Yeah, so. So, all right. So I'd be I'm a barbarian.

I'm a I'm a hard and tank, more like a warlock. So then Billy Zellick Gimli from Game of Thrones, the Warlocks, I mean, Lord of the Rings.

Lord of the Rings. Absolutely. So Gamefly, the dwarf would kind of be like a barbarian or maybe a fighter, a big, big bruiser. However, there is a classic archetype of the dwarven cleric, the dwarf who follows the God of Meridan. And that kind of dwarf is more of a healer.

Let's say, OK, Gantley would have killed my bar to also be a dwarf.

You can be any race you want it to be if you want to be a dwarf. Absolutely.

OK, so on a little note of that, so what is the fourth category? Yeah, make it make sure you really write it down very short. Five, five, six. Yeah. Super short. So what is the fourth category that we don't have now. So we have a barbarian, a bard in a wizard warlock. What's the fourth category we don't have.

In theory the healer types would be the one you don't have yet. So I mentioned the cleric and that would be the fourth kind of perfect neach that you'd be filling right now. So the warlock's kind of your spell caster. The cleric is your healer, the barbarian is your big fighting type. And the Bard would be kind of the warrior skill-based, the talkative, the face also the barbarian is like twenty pounds overweight.

Know that I've lost a little bit of weight. Right. That part. So barbarian shaved too early in his face. Look, that's true. So all right. So the, the bill is going to be a cleric. Absolutely adored and cleric I assume.

Or you can join and he could be a giant cleric. Can you be a giant cleric?

There is a race called Goliath's who are like half giants. They're not quite full giants.

Yeah, they're playable. But you you can be a big star and you grow rock out of your, like, head like you're he's a Thomas basically recommits perfect and cool tattoos.

OK, so that's interesting to me because if you're a Goliath cleric, then actually you worship the Goliath gods. And I'll admit I don't know a thing about them, so we get to get pretty creative.

OK, so also, Tim, we should mention that PFC Wayne and Erlik.

Yes, they just played in a seven game series and ping pong and there's a lot of tension in the room.

The tension free. I feel great. No, you're not. I have no idea. If I got awarded a free bogus point in game, it may spill over a little into this game.

I just want you to know and also there's tension between me and Berserker Billy because he's a fucking idiot and drives me nuts.

But here we are.

I think you might. I can remember. Did you say you watch any sports?

I watch a little bit. OK, all right. But you saw me throw there. You would say that's better than a Division three quarterback. That's like a Division one quarterback, right?

I would say definitely. At least Division two. We're talking. OK, all right. All right. Good, good. That could. Twenty three. However, I'd say with the twenty three that felt like a division one.

Yes, we have definitely a little bit of a Division three. Wide receiver eight. Yeah. Great throw. That was a great throw. Here we go inside eighteen. I got the hot hand.

Yeah. Can I put a spell on Erlik to make him work. Essentially we're worried about the drag.

Got a lead on me. Yeah. Shouldn't make it again. Shouldn't we be focused on the Dragons. And I think we need to take out this dragon. Hank, you're your best weapon that we have. Yeah.

If you roll any wisdom based skills like perception or insight, can I, can I use head.

It's my turn. I was cast a question earlier. Can I ask a question. Appreciate appreciated your turn. Have enough wisdom to figure out if this dragon like can you see in the future will you be able to see if this dragon is going to leave?

The dragon is taken aback like a cat rears back for a moment. Like what? Are you doing eyes widened and then in anger, her eyes, she at you to bite you? I know I forgot to ask you to stand aside and stand back and I'll give you a chance.

What do you say to her? I be like I just want I just want to grant you freedom in a life free from servitude. Do you just assume that, like, every woman that you run into is dominated by somebody else?

And obviously you believe basically just wanting to be like, hey, is this guy bothering you? To me, they look like he's a jerk. Yeah. Drinkability literally commanded this drag to come over with a beam of light.

And he's like, hey, can I free from whoever made you come here? Yeah, dude, let's try to heal the dragon so that we can ride around on the drivability.

I come on. So she just the dragon bit you because you tried to kiss it. Yeah. It doesn't want your advances but. But she's playing hard to get. No Billy she's she tried to kill me.

No. No means no. Sorry. All right.

You're not try to fuck you straight. I want to ride it. Don't jump. No. Like want to get rid of this dragon. We're better just ride the dragon. We're trying to beat the dragon. You know, you're trying to fuck it and it's not working. Right. Here you go. Here's a story out of here.

Zero seven. Let's do the second rule. Twenty.

The judges will boot heavily and two things happen.

First of all, you said you were trying to fly this dragon away from here right away.

Somewhere you can go having private. You take it to like an hourly rate hotel. You want to be like, hey, babe, you want to get out of here.

The dragon is letting out a roar. Forget this village. You know, he takes off into the air and all the cultists are like, yeah, let up on.

And then they see her with you on her head. Fly away from the village. Yeah.

Mauro, what's going on it. And then and this will be the cliffhanger as your flyweight live about. She shakes her head up, she takes her head right. And then finally she says, All right, Little Rock man, let's talk you and I put you on.

Never you never give up with a critical hit, you think this dragon is willing to maybe become friends with your.

Dude, I'm so happy I told you to do that all along. So we'll catch up with now, despite how your night was like, last night was a movie.

First he introduces himself, he extends a gauntlet at hand and he flips up his adviser. And you see this guy is definitely built. He's a strong looking older dude.

The extend to and he says, Oh, sir, sir, sir Orgeron, Sir Orgeron, pleasure to meet you. You can just call me sir. Oh, sir. Oh, it's a pleasure to meet you. I'm taking command of this whole situation and I'm seeing a lot of cultists outside here right now.

This is Coachella's Kocho. This is Kocho. We we met Kocho, Dungeons and Dragons. Yes.

So Jake asked a question. Right. It seems like he's here, sir. What do you what do you mean you're you're a journalist. Come on.

Yeah. So Kocho, coming off that big title, ask you a question about TNT.

There is not no time for my I have a lustrous career. I've done a great job in all of my work right now. And they've got prisoners. And I know some information about this cult. All he's got a game plan.

Find out what he is trying to do is like talk about the game. Yeah, yeah. Come on. Come on. Let's reframe this. Yeah, this is a pre game interview, so let's find out what his tactics are for his plan of attack. Get some bulletin board material check.

All right. What are you what are your opponent's biggest weaknesses?

My God, Jake, he says, well, you got rid of the dragon. That was the number one thing. I'm really glad he got rid of that dragon. I see it, by the way. This is great.

And any any gestures, it is insignia. And you can tell it's some kind of a strange cut on his shoulder. You can't tell exactly what he goes.

So ligers, go ligers, go to find out what happens next. The last, you know, in theory at the end of initiative and still has to go.

Berserker Billy the cult is fleeing and then lengthen the Dragon looks back at you and says, ha ha, this was fun. What should we do next?

And she's willing to hear you out on whatever you suggest next week.

Oh, well, sounds like the sickest play place ever. We can build it like a medieval Dave Boston. Yeah.

With arrows and shit. So who wants to live here, will you threatening us?

Yeah, I'm fucking threatened. You got to drag it. Fuck you, Billy. No, no.

Who are you to listen this. It's my fucking castle. All right.

I say I would like to ask the Dragon Yo joins us take over this castle and torture my boss who go ahead in the role of persuasion.

Check your rolling two times and taking the higher number. You have advantage and commit treason in the last three strong.

Now go ahead. Oh, bitch. One seven seven. Go ahead nicely.

The same thing is on the extra one. Here comes a one.

Oh yeah. Fuck boys did a critical hit. Yeah I humans hate magical creatures. I hate you. Oh yeah. You better to live Billy. You better kill.

I have the power here. Right. And look up the door right now. Come at the king. You betcha. I have the power here Billy. This is the magical world. I have the power. Yeah, I know. He's on the drive. You better kill all three of us because otherwise you're also Billy.

Well, you have to understand, is this dragon right now, it doesn't give a shit about your small no games.

This dragon is going to leave your ass. Go, go, go with your girlfriend and destroy what we've built. You know, this one said it's gonna kill all of us.

Huh? You need it. It sounds like with a two that Erbil year old, he had a plus four on this. So what you need is a six or higher and you have a plus five on it.

So I need a one to one. I think you got this one big cat.

So here's the thing. I'll be very clear about this. Something crazy always happens if you get a one. So if you get a one, you still grab acerbically. But the dragon takes off with both.

Oh, wait, OK, because of that bad role one way or another, Bill, you were hanging a little low on this rock, right? All right. So here we go. Bad roll, Bill.

You have you in some way. What happens on a two year comes the roll.

Billy, you die on it.

Two eighteen. I think that's what I think. He jumps too far. You jump up.

You are since you rolled. Well, getting exactly where you want to get to and you are grabbing Bazooka Billy and tackling him off the dragon's back.

The dragon takes off, looks down at you and I will get one roll then looks at you miserably and just shakes her head and down to the south where the cultists seem to be fleeing towards and all of the army with the dragon seems to be flying to the south.

What you do see. To be fair, for all your critical hits, The Dragon, look back once at you looking sad and then again, like I shouldn't have done that. I feel bad and I forget it and keep flying. But she did apologize for me. Oh.

She's going to go have lunch with her dragon friends. Barbie like you'll never believe the worst date. I just said, OK, so I'm really in a no win situation. Really? Yeah.

Is there any sort of like almost like a situation that you made yourself when you tried to kill us? Well, I thought, well, you know what, I'm going to.

Is there any way you thought we were going to take your side? Yeah, she's fighting her.

So let's just remind people that in the last or so tried to kill us.

This is not unprovoked. I just tried to kill Norm, OK, because nobody was on the street. It was the start of a battle against everybody. I have no beef with you. You thought I was just going to let my man sit out there, get attacked? Well, he hasn't been the best. All of us. I think I'm pretty good. Doesn't mean to hurt you.

We just heard you eat Norm the Barbarian.

You now have the bazooka rage ability where you can now swing two times just like Bazooka Billy.

You see that you can do it every time. So. All right, Switches.

You want just to clarify, I'm stronger than Billy. I now have the only thing that he brought to the table, and he's still very much dead and he's still got me OK. I just wanted to make sure that that was all clear. Absolutely. And you are now a berserker barbarian with a lot of hit points. Thirteen, thirteen. And the Griffin has a plus five and actually has advantage. Roll one more time on this. So far you got an eighteen but you want to roll.

Just kept coming. Everyone stay away. So we're going to go with the original roll the eighteen. It was a success for sure. And the Griffin flies back and says he thinks, oh no, he's as you were looking for the hatchery, right?

Well, I found it.

There's a pit that looks like there are maybe three dragon eggs or more.

I saw at least three dragon eggs, but I also saw something else.

So, Wayne, we are up to you and I feel invisible. Can I go drag Billy's dead corpse off the ground, reanimate it and then make it sit on the roper?

IBBS You can definitely drag the corpse with desecrations cauterised you looking at the spell you are.

Griffin's got to be pretty hungry by now, right? You're Griffin is certainly hungry.

He is a carnivore. Yeah. Interesting. The body's a little old, but I wouldn't mind. I'm hungry. I wouldn't mind picking it that a little bit.

Yeah. I think I want to feed Billy's dead body to our Griffin. You start to feed you because he's hungry. Yeah, absolutely. I'll also point out you're still invisible. So when you pick up Billy's body, it does kind of look like Billy. He's just walking around with a visible puppet master.

Can I use, like, my hands to make people have a really stupid face and trip him a few times as he's walking?

You make him like walk around and like, we see Billy's face like in different ways. But then because he's in different pieces, the body parts start to like fall over a little bit. And you're a good do you have a lot of dexterity though? So you start catch. Yeah.

I'd like you to juggle Billy's testicles, juggling various one against the wall.

There's a splat as something against the law for sure. OK, great.

So yeah, no, I'd like to feed his corpse to the Griffin ABC. The Griffin is actually saying, you know, there's something Tanguy about it like dark magic or something, but, you know, it's not bad. And the Griffin keeps eating this. Yeah. And the Griffin is also thanking us for having freed him. He does introduce himself after this delicious meal and says, you know, my name's Blake. It's an absolute pleasure and I'm so thank you for freeing me.

I really, really appreciate it. So he's now really like feeling like a member of our team now that he got to eat. Oh, it's our former teammate, John Blake Griffin.

Yeah. Which actually I don't like Blake Griffin anymore. Yeah. He kind of ditched just the other day. Oh, I'm sorry. It's just going to be a different no no. Blake Griffin.

Fine. Just for the record, I'm mad at him. All right.

So now let's take him up. You want to take him out? Really? You got any thoughts on that?

Hey. Just kidding. Tim, thank you so much. We really appreciate your time, as always. Thank you, sir.

Good game. Absolutely, everybody. Love is blind.

Now, this show I have not yelled at my TV while watching a show as much as I have watching this. Whatever it is, I can't I can't decide. When I first started watching, I was like, this show sucks. I hate everyone involved. But now I feel like I didn't want to stop watching it. After the fourth episode, I was like, I kind of love how much I hate some of these characters, OK?

It was hard for me to physically watch unless you big picture real quick. So we found out there's actually 60 people that got invited.

So it's 30 guys, 30 girls. We probably only saw like 10 or 12 of them.

My question right off the bat, and I don't want this to sound mean it all, but because it's love is blind, did they intentionally not pick, like, super attractive people?

Because it was markedly I would try that this was way lower in your bachelor or bachelorette your real world. Like, no, I know the first season of a new show.

Yeah, exactly. So the production circle there are there I thought maybe they were like other shows like that. I don't see.

I'm going to throw a flag on that one because my first note was they should have had at least two very unattractive people.

I think it is very unattractive. You know, if you saw 60, I didn't I didn't look at all the sixty, but. Oh, no, I'm saying there was even some clips like we were joking. The thirty eight year old dude who is like, are you an African-American?

Yeah, that guy was wack. That was perhaps the most awkward they have ever seen on a on a dating show. Some dogs in there. But I just know what I wanted to what I wanted to see some like notably dog ish people on there that would shock the person if they got picked.

They were though. And there were I'm not saying I'm a good looking guy because I probably would be perfect for love is blind or probably I'm probably less attracted to the people on there. But usually when you watch a dating show, you're like, holy shit, all these people aren't even real life. There are some very attractive people on the show. There are a few. There are few you. But there are also a bunch that you're like, how'd that guy get that?

Yeah.

So you're African-American. Yeah. That was a great opening.

Like what's his name. Kenny, who's a sweet dude. He's not real. Why isn't there. What about with Cameron. Nice guy. You're not like a looker.

Why isn't there, why isn't there a glory hole in the love pods. Right.

Nicholas Shea acting like everyone just knows who he is. Yeah, obviously. I'm Nick.

I'm obviously Nick and Nick Laschet. Like, what did he do anything in between episodes one and four?

He did nothing. Basically, the entire time they even I watched the whole thing.

But yeah, he he does nothing the whole time he popped back. I'm Nick Lachey.

Yeah, I'm Nick Lachey. And then asked reads a cue card.

But he but they needed they needed obviously a married couple here and they were like, oh, let's, let's look like was Ashlee Simpson and her husband not available. I feel like that would have been good. So. All right. So so the so the show is patently ridiculous. Who do you wear?

Should we like I want to I want to talk about Barnat.

I hate him for the very definition of fuck boy. And he's found his girl and Amber, who is the very definition of a hot mess. So you got to fuck boy in a hot mess. And those are two unstoppable forces that are just going to rub up against each other until they get into a fight. Right. So that relationship's not going to work, but they're going to have a hell of a time while they're in it. But his jokes that he had to introduce himself to everybody, they're like pretty bad jokes.

Yeah. Like he's going to be an excellent dad. Oh, I. I wrote them down. They were pretty bad. So when when one of I think Jessica said, what do you think about dogs in the bed? And he replied, I am I am one. She also said, do you kids what do you think about kids? He says, Do I have any.

Not that I know of the well. He had a great quote when he was talking to the camera about what he's looking for on the show. He goes, I usually go for pretty girls, but this time I'm not looking for anything. Well, not that I'm looking for anything ugly, but.

Right, right. He's like I usually like to date Pretty Girls is my type. I still do. But I usually in the past have also done that.

The the kids joke. I think he said so. He said not that I know of. And then Jessica said no, I meant your position and he said, what's my favorite position. So really just really making everyone laugh. And then the last one I wrote down, they asked when they went back to the room where it was very odd dynamic, they would all go back to the pad and be like, who did you connect with? And someone said, Who are you all feeling?

And he said, none of them, because it was through a wall.

Good one, Baragon. And then he then he said, All these girls love my jokes. They love they love the jokes.

That was the big from the first five episodes, Jessica and Barnett Barnett being like, I think Burnett actually I actually wrote down and said he said if this place had no other guys, no other girls, I'd propose to you, which that is quite the love, you know, throwing that out there.

And Jessica falls head over heels and then. The next day, she's like, hey, Barnett, did you mean all that stuff you said last night in Burnetts? Like, No, not really.

Then she goes from that to, you know what? Who's that first guy? Mark? Jessica is thirty four years old, cannot figure out how all of our relationships fail. And then came on this show and basically got directly into a failed relationship. Yep. Yeah.

Got dumped and then got a rebound in Mark and then was like, I'll be there. Were they. Yeah. She was like I'm going to make this work. We have so much in common, like we're both from Chicago and Italian and dogs. Literally all they had in common was that they grew up near Chicago. And so she kept like when she would talk to herself and convince yourself that things might work out with Mark, it was just going back to like, you know, we're built on something so solid, our foundation, that that he really likes the Cubs.

No, you forgot one thing. The Christianity cheat. When Mark explained his tattoo was like, yeah, I have a cross on my side and I left the space open for my future kids.

And she was like, oh, my God, that is so romantic.

She strikes me as somebody who said multiple times, like, I'm not religious, but I'm very spiritual. I want no, I want to raise my kids through the church. Yeah, but I don't go. Yeah.

Mark is turning in. So in front of our eyes, Mark is he's he's having his big time. He's having to negotiate for the relationship to keep going every single day. Their entire relationship is just a series of important talks that they have to have with each other.

And every time it's Mark being like, I'm here for you and I'm still here and I'm going to make this work, are you gonna make this work? And she's like, Yeah, I guess so. And then she goes goes to the bathroom and fingers herself up our net. Yeah.

And she and then Mark's like, hey, I've been thinking, like, if we're really going to get married, maybe at some point you should actually not be completely appalled by the look of me. Yeah.

Like she's like, I don't know, just maybe we're taking we're physical. Know what we're working on things like you're my best friend, right?

Yeah. No, it was you basically proposed to her. You said, will you do me the honor of putting me the fuck in your friend zone for lust. Yes.

Right now, because you said, like, I think of him as like my best friend, like I love his brother.

Yeah. OK, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is four time NBA champion Horace Grant. Horace, thank you for joining us. It's everyone's obviously talking about the last dance. We want to talk about your entire career, but let's start there. And what is it been like to watch, to go back in time and see all this stuff, see a young horse Grant, see all of the stories be retold on a national stage?

Well, looking back on it, reminiscing, if you will, kind of making me wish I was twenty two.

Twenty three again, you know, it was some some great years. We had a fun time, a great run there in Chicago.

But just the camaraderie that we had as a team, the confidence that we had as a team when we got out there on the floor.

Mm hmm. Yeah. Oh there are there birds in the background.

Our producers say, yeah, let me let me close the window. OK, cool. Yeah, we can hear the sound like they're having a good time. People were definitely the whole interview. They'd be like, what the hell, what's going on.

One of the best parts of the documentary so far was your reaction to that Piston series where they walked off the court didn't shake your hand. I think you call them little bitches. Have you heard from anybody on the Pistons about that?

Well, you know, the ironic thing about that was. I. I never knew that what MJ said about the Pistons, I guess, after game three, saying they didn't deserve to be champion. They missed the game up and all of that. If I had known that, I don't think I would have called them bitches, I would have said crybaby. But to answer your question, I talked to Isaiah Thomas and we had a great, great conversation.

I mean, and I see Isaiah all the time. All-Star Weekend. We I mean, we have great conversations that we have a great conversation about everything. And it's cool.

I just put it that way, that that moment where you guys beat the Pistons and knowing everything that had come before that, like, I actually was kind of shocked. I didn't go deeper into the migraine game, the Scottie migraine game.

Knowing that you were so close with Scottie, what was Michael's reaction to that? Because you can still see it on his face that he doesn't really believe that Scottie had a migraine. And that probably speaks to his psychopath, you know, competitiveness where he's like nothing could ever stop me when that happens. Are you, you know, right after the game? Or you're like, yes, Scottie clearly had a migraine or do you side with MJ a little bit and be like, it's crazy.

He wasn't able to compete in game seven this year. When you have migraines and I had a couple of migraines, you have migraines, you can your is blurry, you can't see the noise is crazy. There's no way this guy could function out there with those migraines. And he did have a migraine. And for for us, I mean, for the people who second guess that. I mean, I don't know if you can say, you know, they can kiss my ass, you know, that's that's crazy man for and I saw when they asked him about that and he left his lip and smirked a little bit.

To do that was your psyche right to a second in command? He had a migraine. Yeah, that's my thing. We play this game with every guest that we have is called Headline Grabber, where we say something, and then you give us something and we're going to make a headline and get some big news out of it. So I'll rephrase big cats question. How much money in debt was Michael Jordan from gambling when David Stern asked him to take a year off?

That's something you see. I was so oblivious to a whole bunch at the time, but out of about playing basketball, partying and going home, that was pretty good. But that was me. So I don't know. Baby sitter told me to take a year off. I just know MJ loved to gamble. That's what I mean.

Even on luggage, even on, you know, what color you think that next car going to be coming down the street.

So in terms of that, I don't know if that caused his retirement or not. Would you gamble with him?

Would you gamble with him on the plane and everything? Play cards? Oh, hell, yeah, we did myself. OK, Pete. I mean, a whole bunch of us will get out.

How would you do? What would you say? Are you up or down to MJ in your life? Gambling. Well, I can only say one thing, that he ran out of cash one night, he didn't have enough cash on him. And of course, you know, when you don't have enough cash, you know, we loan each other money and I think our loan is about two thousand dollars. And of course, I was talking trash every time I gave him about four hundred five hundred.

And then he goes, he was so pissed that the next day he brought two thousand dollars worth of crispy one hundred dollar bills.

All right. So my last question, and this is a hilarious thing to look back on, but I just need confirmation is 100 percent true. You once tried to skip practice because Scotty Pippins Cat died and you were mourning the cat.

Hey, true story. But the thing behind that, I was still drunk from the night before.

And so that's that's how you're really emotional out that you really were in your feels about that cat.

We had quite a few drinks and you still hung over. You still get emotional about certain things.

It was a special cat. It was a great cat. And the great cats, they have nine times they can die and you can just not.

It's the book. The book that I mentioned. The book for everyone listening on Monday, show Blood on the Horns. But it was like Scotty called in and was like, Hey, my cat died and not give me a practice today. And 15 minutes later you called and you're like, Hey, Scotty's cat died. I'm not going to be in practice today.

Hey, we came in together in nineteen eighty seven, so that was still my man.

That's friendship. That's deep friendship to be like I'll come and sit and be brose with you when your cat dies.

Absolutely. I mean the cat I mean we have a bond. Great bond man.

What was the cat's name. I don't doubt that.

I knew you wouldn't have.

Yeah, yeah. OK, ready. All right, here we go. Girl or boy, I'm a boy. I can't get in. Oh, no. You want to see? I told you. No, I don't want to question this.

Barbara Corcoran, you know her. She's a founder of the Corcoran Group and she is an investor on Shark Tank.

I've always thought that. So I had a background in sales. I sold pretty much anything on the map, you name it. I slammed it. I was the best salesperson I could be right after I sold something else.

Why was that? Because you were bouncing off a high. You thought, I'm a mighty man. Mean a check. I can do anything. Yeah. Yeah. You do that work. Yeah.

Worked really well for two deals maybe. No, no. I sold, I sold cats. I sold used dogs. I sold Christmas trees. I sold portable air conditioners, software used cars.

And you know, I could I'm going to of those things from you. Yeah. Not a single one. Oh. Let me ask if you were such a good salesman. Let me challenge it, OK? If you're such a good salesman, why don't you hop from product to product to product? Good sales people don't do that.

Oh, because there's a cap on my commissions when I was selling cats. So then I moved up the dogs weirdness and then Christmas. The higher the ticket item, the more money you get paid. Also, I found that the higher the ticket, the higher the dollar sign on. Whatever it is you're selling, a lot of times it's easier sell the expensive thing than it is to sell the cheap. And why is that? Because the customers that try to buy a cheap thing, they're focused on the price and they'll just walk away at any given second customers that want to buy an expensive thing to focus on.

The other stuff that you can highlight for him, you got to value something I'm curious about.

You're telling me that you went and so high priced shit to people with that haircut.

No, no. You look different back. That's a good point. Yeah, because I wouldn't buy anything right now. My only customer would be Kid Rock. If he needed like a legacy software upgrade, then I could hook him up. Oh, yeah, of course you could. What is the what is the one product that you've invested in that you wish you could take back?

I was a lot of them like the lipstick that makes you lose weight.

That's sounds like that sounds like a great idea. But guess what? It doesn't make you lose weight. What if those burns are crap out of your lips? You don't want to eat a hot dog.

Next time would be terrible. That's a real face. What's a real that sounds like a high for the dentist. If you use uses toothpaste, it's going to put you to sleep at night. I tried it. I was having a hard time sleep. I never went to sleep.

After I use is like, no, not melatonin. Toothpaste. Yeah. All that weight. Maybe that's. Yeah. There was no melatonin that.

What was it that knocked you out. Hank has this, Hank has Lyster, Cuil, Nyquil and Listerine.

He literally has his idea. This is great. I'm going to try both these formulations. Maybe my money's not lost. Yeah. Yeah.

Listicle has been a long time idea. Holy shit Hank. That was just proven that you're right, you don't know and I don't know what to take seriously.

You know, he Lyster Cuil is a long time idea of using data. It sounds like you invested in Lyster Quill, but it wasn't.

It was a waste. Yeah. It didn't put you to sleep and it tasted like crap.

The only sad part is that it was after her saying her least favorite investment was that my favorite wasn't successful formula.

Was your formula worked?

She likes the idea. Barbara loves it. She's in love with the idea. It's the people behind who I think I come here today and make money. Yeah, I never saw that.

Come in. Blake Griffin, do it. I don't. I think Captive's got it. Five point five is a tough no. The hardest thing to do in sports is to repeat as champion.

It's going to be very hard. OK, here we go. Blake Griffin, go. Oh, three point three, holy shit. You did it again play, you did it again.

Congratulations, Blake, to Blake Champion. You did it again. Blake Griffin, your your your transcendent talent. It was a tough competition, though. Do you want to know the finals? I needed other times.

So this year Bortles had five point seventy five, Koepka had five point five and you beat them both by one point two seconds.

Wow. Oh wow. Yes I'm.

We actually were talking beforehand and we said there were, there's the storylines that were going into this Blake. The year was will we look back and say that this was the goat, you know, status for Blake Griffin. Will we look back? He was saying and say, is Blake Griffin bad for Blake? Is it not fair anymore, do you think?

You know, I'm not even going to answer those questions right now because I put in the time. I'm also working on a last chance, Blake, of the year tonight as we speak. And, you know, the footage will show that I put the time in the social show that I talked about this. And, you know, it's if you can't sit and then it's fine. You're not a real voice to your fan.

I think I think all the talk that we've had, we've had Bortles and kept on recently discussed the play of the year with them. I guess you could say Blake Griffin took it personally.

I take that personally. Every time you guys post a highlight of rooks on the golf course, posted his mustache compared to big cats. I think I take that personally. I see it all. I don't comment all the time. I see it all. And I take it personally, it's it's impressive.

I mean, you're clearly very emotional. I can hear it in your voice. Congratulations. The title is Yours for Another Year. And I mean, I don't know what else to say.

There are no words. We're truly in the presence of greatness. Thank you, guys.

I don't know if I can look, I just want to address the fans unbelievable support over this past year. But we've got another another player of the year. So you see me on the streets, you know, together, because this one's for this one's for everybody.

Wow. He's sharing this world with a lot of guys.

Blake, one last question. Are you going to take some time to celebrate this or are you thinking already, hey, let's move on. It's next year. You're only as good as you know.

The way I see it, I have the rest of the day to celebrate, but then it's back to trading. Love it. Love it. Heart of a champion. Art, we'll talk to you soon. Oh, also, don't say anything because we're going to run this July 6th, so don't say anything.

Oh, wow. I have to wait that long. Yes. Yes. So when we do when it does happen, just pretend it was just that day. OK, all right. OK. All right. Thank you, Blake. Congrats again. What a job. All right.

All right, OK, we're rounding up. We got a couple left. This is we're coming out of the covid part of the year. We have some good interviews with great interviews with Matt Ryan and Kevin Love.

Kevin Love was the first interview we did in person at long last time. Awesome to do. Matt Ryan, really cool guy. Yeah.

Feel bad that I keep saying he's so sad. Yes, he is. It's just a fact. And the defenders are like, I like this guy so much I want to just give him a big hug. But yeah, we had some good interviews once we got back into the office. It was just good to see people face to face again. Yes, I, I would love to never have to look into a resume kaleidoscope of hell anymore. Yes.

My life. Yes.

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OK, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is NFL MVP starting quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons, Matt Ryan. Thank you for joining us. I wanted, though, to start the interview, being a gracious host and ask you, do you want to do 23 now or later? Let's just rip the Band-Aid and go. All right, let's do it. All right.

We'll get out to a big story. And you have that first question. How much did that suck?

I mean, as much as anything can suck, right? Right. That's about as as bad as it gets. Still stings a little bit. But, you know, hopefully I get back there at some point. It can change the narrative.

I remember Ed Water after the game, asked you how crushing was this loss right after the game. And that was maybe the most savage question in the moment. So credit to you for for dealing with that in a moment and not like I would have I would have freaked out and grabbed my Xbox controller and thrown it at everyone in the press and been like, I'm out of here. So good job on that.

Yeah, I gave my helmet a pretty good launch when I got into into the locker room, saw the kind of speakers and stuff fly out. So I basically did the same thing you would do with the Xbox controller with my helmet.

Now, I heard a nasty rumor that you got a contact high from Chris Long when he hit you in the fourth quarter. And that's what kind of sent you down hill. Can you confirm that?

Yeah, I don't think that's true. But, you know, it was that fourth quarter. It was kind of a weird deal, right? Because at the end, I mean, we made some great plays to get back into field goal range late in the game. Then we kind of got bumped back out. But there was no contact from Chris actually just talked to him earlier today. Oh, good. He's still talking shit about that year. And then the following year when he beat us with the Eagles, which both those were were tough losses.

Yeah, that was the twenty seventeen Falcons who I was saying they hadn't played their best game yet up and you guys lost and I still was like, don't worry, they're going to be in the playoffs next week and they still haven't played their best game because I was a big believer in that team. Have you had a chance, I assume, to talk to Kyle Shanahan? I know that you guys have publicly, like there's back and forth, you know, not blame, but Kyle Shanahan get some of the blame for it.

But have you guys buried the hatchet in that respect?

And we're cool. I mean, we we talked we talked a lot about it the week and a half after after that game. And then obviously, I was happy for him with the San Francisco higher and kept in touch with him and then obviously reached back out to him after, you know, another tough one for them after the Super Bowl this year. So I've been I've kept in touch with him. And he's a I mean, he's a great coach man.

He's a good dude, really good football coach. And he's going to get one, I hope not during the rest of my career. But at some point after that, he's going to get one.

Do you call into question his judgment, knowing that he has Chris Simms, his initials, tattooed on staff?

We used to bust his balls all the time about that. Matt Simms. So Chris, his brother Matt was the third string quarterback with this for, I guess, two seasons. Why Kyle was there. And Matt, he was relentless, man. He he would he would break his balls all the time about that. And it is you know, he tells a story about why they did it. And it still doesn't make sense. I mean, it just it was a bad decision.

The would they called themselves the wood. Right. It was like for brose at University of Texas, they're like, let's all get each other's names put on her legs. Yeah.

Just a bad decision. At that time, I thought it was going to play out well. Right.

Speaking of Matt Simms, what is it about the name Matt that makes really good quarterbacks?

Good question. Thanks. I don't know. That's another weird part of of that year or so in in that quarterback room are our quarterback coach was Matt LeFleur, current head coach of the Green Bay Packers are backup quarterback was Matt Schaub in our third string quarterback was Matt Simms. So all four of us in that room at the time were back to the running joke was that if anybody came in and ask for Matt, they knew who we were talking to.

It was me. So everybody else just kept their mouth shut. Yeah, went about I'd like to talk to Matt Sharp.

Have you ever asked Matt job, the streak, the pick six streak that he had going?

That's an all time. I mean, what happened there? Did you have you ever been like, hey, dude, what was going on that he doesn't really want to go there?

When I bring it up, he doesn't really want to go there all that often about it.

But I think we're both like top fifteen all time of pick six is thrown. So that's pretty good for one quarterback room.

Yeah. Did you did he ever suggest, hey, maybe we should work on our tackling? Never came up either. Either of us never really brought it up.

I want to do a quick throw back wondering what was going through your head during this decision making and it wasn't your decision, but twenty fifteen. You're out play in the San Francisco. Forty Niners, you guys are down for fourth and goal on the one under three minutes to go, you kick a field goal.

What were you thinking? I don't know if you remember that play, because I do, we were out there 2015 out. Just open the new stadium. Yeah, I do. We kicked it and then we didn't get the ball back, I don't think. Correct. Correct.

You lost by one. Yeah. Yeah.

Probably not the right choice.

No, I actually meant we saw Dan Quinn at the combine a couple of years ago and I asked him about that because I kind of just I don't know. Sometimes I'm just hung up on I think I had money on the game and I just was really mad at that time.

I had money on the game and yeah, he's yeah he probably yeah. He was like, yeah that was a mistake. So out of character for Dan though too. I think he is probably one of the learning experiences for him as a head coach too, because he honestly is one of the most aggressive, aggressive guys in the league when it comes to going for it on fourth down and being aggressive and, you know, having the balls to to make those decisions and being able to live with it, which is one of the things you love about him.

But it was his first year as a head coach. So, I mean, he's he's come along. He's gotten better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a bad one.

And that was something completely different. 2016 in the finals, game seven, the end of the game, you're supposed to lock down Steph Curry and the Cavaliers by three and I like the no timeout call by Steve Kerr.

Love picks up curry, curry steps back, fakes the three drives again, shut off nicely. Were you afraid in that moment or were you like, if I were you?

And this is probably why I'm not a basketball player, a professional basketball player, besides being only five, 10 and a half.

But if you were if that were me, I would be in your contract. Shit, I'm five. I'm actually five eight. But if I say five to six feet one. Well, with issues, by the way, these are six shoes because they give me three inches and they're not actually lifts. So technically, I guess I am six feet right now. But if I were you and I were in that position, I would just be shitting myself.

I'd be like, I hope I don't fuck this up. Well, is that what you were thinking? Or were you like, I got this? Yeah. I mean, naturally, you're going against the I mean, first time ever unanimous MVP, right? This team, 73 and nine. But again, I forgot to mention preparation when I came to tie Lou and our team in general, like we had gone over that particular play.

I mean, hundreds of times gone through it in film, hundreds of times had seen it throughout the game, especially in their fourth quarter package a number of times, because they wanted they knew that we were switching most of time, one through five, and that I was on Draymond. So I was, I was guarding the four you know was going to set the flare for four Klay and we weren't going to switch that come over the top.

And then when, when he set the screen for staff and I think J.R. might have been ended up on on Draymond after that but found a green seven to shoot Curry fakes the three steps back crossover puts up a three rebound James with thirty seconds remaining.

I always say it was actually you know I played great defense but as far as a defensive scheme and play it was actually a bad defensive possession because I wasn't supposed to let I supposed to deny the ball back to Steph and I let him get the ball back. So. So Draymond had caught it kind of in the corner. I was like, OK, I need I don't need Steph to to make this play because he's done it time and time again and you know, he throws it back to him.

I'm actually supposed to deny that, you know, luckily I kept my feet down, you know, knew everything was at stake. But I think part of the reason I was able to do that in that moment was because, yes, first of all, I was locked in. We went through it so many times. We prepared so many times. And that was a play that really stuck out to us in late game situation. But I think more than anything, it was my mindset change in the series.

You know, I come off a concussion. I hadn't played the next game in game three. We ended up winning. So I'm like, I'm just going to focus on defense and rebounding. That's all I'm going to focus on here. So when that time came, I was I was more ready than I probably otherwise would have been had I not decided to focus on. If he drives on you, though, I'm sure that.

Yeah. Oh, you know. You know, it's funny because I was. Yeah, I know. I did. It was a good defense. But he also I was guarding the three. You got to be like, thank God he took he took a shot there and not and we I've seen him make that shot.

I mean we all have Yeah. Time and time again against even bigger players. Right. He comes back the next year in the finals. I think in game one maybe I think about the game to where they blew us out because game one was was crazy, really suspect foul called Charge Block. They went, you know, call it a charge, went back. There was a blocking foul that was suspect.

So it just had never happened before. Is unprecedented in a in a in a game especially of that magnitude and NBA finals game. Yeah. Bron, as you know, one of the best finals performances of all time. You know, we go out there, I have a big game, guys are playing great. Guys are ready for the moment and we lose. It's like I just took the wind out of ourselves.

So it's so so I'm sorry. So, yeah. So you're like just so that play. But in general, as a bigger guy. Yeah. When you get on an island with a guy with six handles, a point guard, are you just like in the back of your head like this fucking sucks. Oh yeah.

I mean it's tough in today's NBA. It's tough because and you know, there's no hand checking in. Right. It's been like that for a while, but it's such a pace and space league now.

I mean, take a look at the rockets.

They're the best example of it. You know, there's a number of teams that, you know, I did a story with with Jackie McMullen, who, you know, was talking about the new era of the big men. And it said the last she said in the last five years, because we've advanced stats now and analytics for every single team, like we base kind of sometimes what we do on that. Right. And numbers tell a story. So she was saying that fifty percent of I mean, excuse me, post touches are fifty percent down in the last five years.

I believe it. So you don't see a traditional five anymore. You even have guys like I mean, you know, we're talking about Milwaukee earlier, Brook Lopez out there shooting threes. You have Marc Gasol out there shooting threes, even valueless out there shooting threes. Joel Embiid out there shooting.

Not well but yeah he's out there shooting three you know like yeah.

If you don't have that in your game it's almost like you know can I put them in in certain situations. Because you have to guard, you have to switch, you have to guard ones and twos. You have to guard Steph, you have to guard Kyrie, you have to guard Russell Westbrook, James Harden. So switching on to them in the open floor and asking for help is already a disadvantage. Damian Lillard same way like it's hard to do.

Steven Adams can't really play in the series against the Rockets. Like that's kind of what it is playing but you can't play him long minutes because it doesn't really fit with you.

Help off of PJ Tucker. He's getting in the corner shooting three. Right. He shot the most and I think maybe even the highest percentage of anybody in the league from from that corner there.

And he's yeah he's six, five, seven foot. And they're not able to take advantage of that. They go double. Somebody else has to beat you.

So, again, to answer your question, yeah, I think if I would have funneled him into the lane, we probably would have had to help and maybe they would have kicked it out to clear kicked it out to another player. But we would have made somebody else beat us.

Yeah, but in that moment, you know, he even said it, too. It's funny. He came out and like I said, I should have driven past that.

I could have done it easily. Yeah, that's fair. But you didn't. Yeah. So how are you?

I would watch the replay of that, just like still nervous and think to myself, should I hope. Doesn't drive, by the way, I still watch that I've never watched the game in its entirety, I've never watched the game. By the way, for the first half, the first half of the game isn't even worth watching. Yeah, because then J.R. comes out and I think they're up eight points. He has two threes and scores a layup, but.

I don't even watch the first half, I can remember walking back to the locker room with James Jones, who now works in the front office for the Phoenix Suns, really close friend of mine.

And he I looked and I said, does this even feel like a Game seven?

And, you know, he had been a part of all the finals runs with with LeBron. And he's like, no, really? Yeah. And then in the locker room at halftime, was it like, where's the energy?

Where's the you know, we need accountability. So we came out in the second half and we were we were we were locked in and ready to go. So the second half is amazing. Yeah, it's incredible. And I remember the last four minutes, I'm sitting here like this at a time out. I remember the last four minutes. Really. Nobody scored. Yeah. Yeah.

I hit that big shot and Bron had the block to stop and Brown with the free throw line hit the one free throw it put us up for. But I can remember sitting down, so it always went wrong at the front Chiri or excuse me, JRA myself, I was in the middle, Tristin in the car, Kyrie was always at the end, so LeBron and Kyrie on opposite sides of each other.

Yes, got it as far away from each other as you would say, I think both of them wanted to feel like they get to leave a huddle. Oh, no, no. I mean, I got you go. So you're sitting there? Yes, I'm sitting there. Nobody's saying a word, but I can remember looking like everybody's going crazy. Phil Knight sitting right there. Lynn married, who's the head of Nike Global Basketball. I see.

You know, Guy Fieri, a guy.

Fearis obviously that guy. If you guys had guys who were on the show, he would love to have the flavor. But for the grace of God, go diners, Drive-Ins and drives like this. And that could be like a conversational pivot. But yeah. Yeah, but I just remember, you know, I think everybody like we even had our fans there, the, you know, hundred people that were up there, friends and family. And, you know, we're in this chaotic coliseum type experience, like they just let the lions.

All right. And I remember looking at everybody like, oh, wow, we're like, we're going to win this. We're we're locked in.

And like, I'll never unless you're in that moment and the guys are all locked in and around because typically guys are going doing their own thing and and talk in whatever guys are, you know, loose with with the huddle. Most of the time we just we excel at a lot of the time because of how much talent we had. But we are so locked in.

And when Ty Lou came in and sat down and he just kind of looked at us, drew up the play, and I actually believe that might have been when, you know, Kyrie we came down in the possession and he hit the big shot, but that type of thing you just can't draw.

But I just remember how locked in we were and that still today like resonates with me in such a big way in those finals because you know, hearing basketball players talking to Kevin Durant always talks about like how much he appreciates just like great basketball. Did you have moments when you're in any of those finals, you're like, this is just insanely good basketball, like the level that both these teams are playing at. And the you know, the margin for error is so razor thin like this is.

Did you have a chance to like a pretty well, yeah.

Actually, getting back to walking into the locker room at halftime and it's a long walk at Oracle. All right, Oracle.

I mean, it's not gone, but it's moved into the city. But to us it's gone, which is which is too bad because what a great arena to play. Obviously hate the fans. But yeah, I also love the fans at the same time. Loud place. But we're walking back to Long Walk.

And, you know, I think the margin for error question is great because we were this is a team that we're playing against in the Warriors that if they get into double digits, you you get in your brain, you're like, oh, man, like you very seldom do you come back from double digits to this team. They have so much firepower. Klay and Steph get going, you know.

You know, Dre is is, you know, doing his thing. He's in the running for defensive player of the year every single year. And they just have the thing rolling and they get Oracle going.

It's so loud. It's a tough place to play. Really, really tough. Maybe the hardest at that time because they were seventy three, nine and so good.

But we knew that if we didn't make up any of our ground from that eight point deficit, that if it got to double digits we could be in trouble, especially in the second half. Guys are going to get a little, you know, as I was going to get tired, guys are going to get a little bit more tense. You know, guys are going to start doing things outside of maybe even their character or their game. And, you know, for that to happen to us would have been, you know, pretty tough because you've seen it time and time again, even in the playoffs, in finals games as well.

We saw it the next year when we played them. Like, if you give them enough of, you know, a discrepancy, they're going to take advantage.

They scored nine points in like thirty seconds. Yeah. It's almost like you have to be up by ten at halftime because in that third quarter they can come out and they're the best third quarter team and they'll go in like a sixteen oh run like that before they're capable of that.

Quick. Yeah, we get the crowd going, starts going, you know, it's just it's, it's a tough, tough place to play. And being on the road like that, we had to be locked in so that the margin for error was incredibly, incredibly OK.

Wrap it up. The best of we got some dudes to finish it up. We got Matthew McConaughey, we got Ryan Rosillo, some dudes. We're still supposed to be so happy. They got lumped in with Matthew McConaughey.

He's definitely going to, like, reply to the tweet and tag mcclenahan, it being like a great, great end of the year episode and is in secret. Hope some kind of he'll write them back. A couple of dudes take off their shirts.

Should we do a number before we do that, before we get to him. So Bubba actually won, huh?

I haven't, but I got to put some balls back in there. But let's just not do it for this time.

I'm going to go twenty one new year. I'll go one hundred again. Twenty one 21 Bubba.

Ninety five ninety five.

Trying to cook me twenty one.

If this is eight I'm going to fucking I'm going to shit twice and die. Oh shit. And die. It's eight. Yeah.

Because that's what I normally pick. Yes I shit twice and I eat. At 100, oh, maybe 50. We'll look at that. I guess we'll find out. I hope Jake's taking these numbers down. We'll have the full crew back from vacation. This is the this is the not fucking around crew museum and the don't take days off. The rest of us, the rest of them, Hank and Billy and Jake, who just kind of freeload off our backs.

Hank. Yeah, Hank's in mourning because at the end of his dynasty, I can understand him wanting to take a day off.

And Billy, you know, what about making himself this is a direct quote I saw through some of my sources. Billy's is going to make himself a weapon before that.

Well, it could take off turning himself into a weapon and turning himself into a weapon. Yeah. He's also probably making himself a weapon to have on his person. Yeah, but yeah, 20, 21. Let's let's just do a redo, guys. Yeah. Let's call that one. Let's call that one wash move forward. Maybe we can get Hank to do Sarki Sorrow's. Yeah. Get back from the pages. Hardbodies in twenty one.

Get excited. We'll see everyone after week seventeen. Enjoy Matthew McConaughey and Ryan Rosillo.

Love you guys. I'm a terrific post player, terrific, I'll put that up against anybody, but then yesterday I was telling big cats some guys were like hitting on me at the at hoops trying to ask me to play with them was weird because you were backing them down too hard.

You're sending the wrong signal. Oh, yeah.

They just say they saw me shooting around a little bit and, you know, I was trying to be covered safe. So I didn't really want to play pick up with anybody anyway. But I just want to get some shots up, get little sweat in. And I think they were high as fuck as they reached. And I think one guy was playing in sandals, but he was really nice. But then he was they were asking me how much I weighed and they had a bet on it, which I thought was kind of cool and complimentary, you know.

So I was like, I don't I don't have to tell you. So I told him I wait and they got excited. And then it just immediately went into, hey, you guys want a joint? You want to join my buddies. And I got a text thread and we can we can pick. And I was like, no, I actually don't want to give you my cell phone number, but I'll just be around.

You basically just met the West Coast football because that's something Billy Football would absolutely say.

Like, you know how much you weigh. Like I'm looking at you right now. You're looking pretty solid.

I don't know what's up with Billy football's arms. I thought he used to have big. Ah, good question, Ryan. So he joined us. He doesn't have is he doesn't have a head. He joined the junior team and then he cut his sleeves off and then he chose the only guy in the office that has bigger arms. And so now he looks like he's got a little earthworms hanging from a spill.

He hasn't done curls in days. It's bad. He asked, what's up with your arms, Billy? Tell Rosillo I'll I'll bet you 100 percent.

How would you bet you nowadays, you know, once you get out of high school, you don't max Atun.

I know I'm out of college. I still owe Max. I'm like, no, I can bench more than me. You probably can, man, I.

I don't know. What do you what do you what do you Max. Well, right now I'm probably hovering around like 285 max. Oh, it's not a lot to brag about. That was fucking hot. How are you? I put up three, fifteen, three times a day fucking around the back to me a couple of years. You're probably a short arm. That's man strike.

No, not a short arm guy. I don't know if you caught this. Now I know what you must miss the part, but my posting was like six six. It's stupid.

Oh, it's the only thing is I'm sure that Ryan actually knows exactly what his wingspan. Yes. No, he's got a new spider chart on his wall. That's it. That's in the draft, notes Reinoso six six wingspan. It's Stupe silly. I can't believe you're at 285. I got it.

I got numbers now. Yeah, my spot was my best left. Go ahead.

Say your squad numbers over 440. That's great, man. Some talk to me when you're forty five.

OK dude.

Anyway to eighty five. I didn't know we have a bench. Bench guy was. No but twenty five. Like don't go round no doubt.

But what he's now feeling you were so confident I assume you're going to say like three sixty five or something like that. Three plates on then you can't come out.

When you go out in public you represent us and you're telling people that you bench to eighty five. That's embarrassing.

Well now I mean I'm not like I dropped like you guys make fun of me for being fat so I don't like my body weight slower.

So yeah. So when I was, I was, I was like 240 like I was benching way more but then there was no belly footballs.

Fuck. I got to drop weight.

I'll be honest, I don't care how fat you are. If you can throw up three plates then then I'm fine with that. Yeah. I've been in the past, I'm just, I'm disappointed with that.

And I'm just being like I was fucking around this morning and threw up three fifteen like he wasn't even benching seriously dude he was warming up, he was just having a laugh anyway.

Love to live with Billy by the way. Don't let them. It's clearly they're getting in your head. Don't worry about the big four. They're all big as in. Yeah, well yeah. But this is a different work dynamic. I think we can all agree on that.

And by the way, when Big Cat says you represent us, Van Pelt said that to me one night, scolded the shit out of me and it sucks to hear, but it also wasn't a lie. Yeah. And then later on I was like, hey, and then but later on, you become your own person. You go out. I want to hear that. Well, what did you do to have him say he benched to seventy five to eighty five.

I told him I told somebody to fuck off I think.

Well I here a long time I could maybe hit three hundred.

Yeah I know the excuses are coming. Right. Right. Would you say you told somebody to fuck off. I told somebody to fuck off one night and he, he didn't really love it so whatever as long story.

But you know, he was fair. It was fair. It was stern but it was fair. But yeah. Billy seriously man, you're you do have long arms.

Your arms from this angle look better. I'm trying to build you up a little bit, but you can't if you can't put up three fifteen right now, you shouldn't start like stepping to other guys about Max.

I know. I know Billy said that you already knew this. You already knew this. Yeah, I know. You're suspended. Sorry, but listen, I love you, guy. Ryan, I don't know you. I like Billy. You probably had those guys in it, ESPN. So Dion once told us it was a very apt thing, like about the locker room dynamic. He's like, there's at least two guys in every locker room. That's an I love you guy where you have to check in with him and be like, Hey, man, I love you.

Like, straight up. I love you just so that they don't go crazy. That's Billy.

No, no, that's that's not I love you guy by any means. It sounds like Antonio Brown.

Tom Brady literally is making love to Antonio Brown to keep him like playing football, keep living in this house. He's the ultimate I love you guy YouTube.

This is awesome because every time it sounds like big cats going to compliment Billy, it's. No, not no.

I guess that's the whole. And then every now and then I might be a podcasting.

I love you guy. Now I think about yeah. You are a little different now. Philly, you know, for real broadcaster world. I mean, yo Hank, cut this part. Cut this part. I love you, dude, I. I don't believe that. Yeah. I love you for real. Anyway, I do like Philly though. I do. Yeah.

It's a big influence on me. When I was 18 and we came to ESPN.

He doesn't want to hear that though, because now it's like they know it's a company that I looked up to. You can only bitch to eighty five. What was the influence.

Well, I just like we went to his show and it was like really like big for me. I was like, it was like, I was, it was so cool to see like what was going on. It was like a big moment.

I'm like, OK, you're leaving. You're leaving out a very important part. You didn't know who I was.

I all I look, I'm not I was like, you know, I don't listen to the radio.

I was eighteen, but now I'm like, I got into that world. I'm like, wow.

Like, you know, like podcasting is a gateway drug to radio.

Yeah. Yeah. This is what is the best in show. And it's like Sting or no Zoolander. Sting is one of my heroes. I don't really listen to it.

I was like, wow, this is really cool. I wanna be like this guy.

And now for something completely different. OK, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest, it is actor and now author Matthew McConaughey. He's got his memoirs out October 20th. It's called Green Lights. It is, I'll say it right now, the coolest memoir of all time, because it is his life experience teaching you about how to live life, how to be cool.

But more than anything, you wrote it. You had a journal for 35 years. And then I read that you wrote it by going to the desert for 52 days without electricity.

Is that true?

The first 12 days without electricity. So I had a generator on me and I pack up these 36 years worth of diaries and put them in the navigator. I buy twenty one and five eight inch ribis. I Ziploc them. I get my my long branch, I get three five gallon jugs of water and a generator and my laptop and a printer and I headed out to this cabin in the desert. So for the first 12 days where that was me and then the other, the other places I went after that were in the desert.

But I did leave the generator and got some AC power hookup. So I had a little electricity like going back and reading that stuff.

Was that the first time that you sat down and read your thoughts?

Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean, I read this in the book. I always write things down not to remember. I write things down so I can forget them, you know, so I can go jotted that down cool. And I can forget it. And that's what I've been doing since I was 14. But, um, mind you, you know, the early stuff at 14, I'm a 14 year old kid. Right. Going to be for this reason that most people go to their diary to write about the shitty stuff to write about.

Oh, you know, Gretchen broke up with me or, you know, Kathy Cook won't go out near this worked out or I got to second base last night or some kind of thing like that.

And then in my early 20s, I had a time where I was kind of Rollan catching a lot of greenlights. I was in college. My relationships were good, man. I would think I was making a little money, had a little money in my pocket. And I said, you know what?

I kind of had go write in your diary now while you're Rolet, go dissect this success you're having right now because you may get in a rut again, which I did, which we all do. And you can go back and look at what was I doing when I was rolling? Who was I hanging out with? Where was I going? What was I was drinking Lao's I see in the world. So that was something that I was happy I've done through my life to tried to write things down when things are going well, because another Rut's always comment.

And when you if you if you keep track and make a little bit of it, there's a science to some satisfaction. There's some habits that I found that I've had that have helped me be more satisfied and they help me get out of some of those ruts.

You can make a living. You can make a living on that.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. There was there was one quote that you put in your book that you did not expand on. And I'm curious to hear the entire backstory behind this. You just kind of this is like a throwaway line. If you're Matthew McConaughey, this is how cool you are. You can just toss this out here and forget that you even said it. You said, I've done peyote in Real de Catorce, in Mexico in a cage with a mountain lion.

Yeah, and you just moved on from that. What's what's the what's the story? How did that go down? Well, Menrad like to say and I've gone off on a sunrise walk with the shaman, and he was very in a very cool way that a shaman can do slowly disseminating the peyote as we hiked up this huge mountain that took hours to hike up. And it was an awesome walk and it was an awesome return. And when I got back down property there, he had this mountain lion in his cage.

And I get up next, the cage and under so set it influences of such peyote. I'm getting on the same frequency of the mountain lion and the mountain lions getting on the same frequency as McConaughey. And so now this mountain lions up next to the gate and can't just stick and whispers through. And I'm I'm I'm scratchiness unadvisedly. And so I get confident that, I mean, this mountain lion are on the same frequency. So I move over to the gate and entered.

So said Cage. Mountain lion jumps around. I move very slowly, making sure to stay on the same frequency as so said Mountain Lion. I move over to the corner, slowly sit down for about an hour. This mountain lion Perry's back and forth and slowly starts getting a little bit closer and a little bit closer and a little bit closer until he comes up next to me and gets very close to my hand, wanting to get some more stitches under his chin like he did when I was outside of the cage.

I slowly give him a little scratch. I don't intrude his space. I lean back now after that. That's a bit just sitting in my lap. Perren and I sat there for another hour and a half and spent about four hours total on the cage, then slowly got up and went my way. And it was a really incredible experience.

Is that one that you look back on in the diary and you're like, you're scared for yourself in the past reading it sober? No, no, no.

I mean, no, I was I was you know, if you don't know if you've ever done peyote trip with this peyote and water and if you do it the right way with the shaman, I would say I was incredibly sober. I wasn't out of my mind at all. If anything, I was more in tune than than than than normal. That's a great thing about peyote done the right way. No, I don't look back on that at all.

I look back on that and go if anything, if you look through the book, there's times I've taken what would be a considered risk that absolutely paid off. I would have regretted my instincts that I could make that work if I wouldn't have gone in. And you're like that wrestling match in Africa, if I wouldn't have said yes to that challenge, I'd regret that to this day. Yeah, and by saying yes to that challenge you gave me is giving me gifts since because of the people I met, the lessons I learned, all kinds of stuff.

It's also you kind of have like an out there where if things go wrong and Matthew McConaughey dies tripping on peyote by a mountain lion like that's pretty much the coolest way to die. You're a legend forever right there. So there's nothing but upside.

Yeah. I mean, you know, and it'd be part of the food chain reaction if I can if I can go. I hope that's how it is. I hope it's not by a random drive by. Right. You move on his part of the food chain.

Yeah. You live forever in that respect. There's probably also an element of the mountain lion. Just understanding that he was this is Matthew McConaughey is pretty cool.

Like, oh, this guy. This is the dude from the Lincoln commercials. Yeah.

Yeah. This guy sits in his car and looks at Longhorn bulls in the middle of the road and doesn't go around and he decides to let them have the ride away turned around. It goes his own way. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I had one last question.

I found this. I love the scene in Wolf of Wall Street when you do the chest bump. And then I read a story that you that actually you do that before you go and act every single time to pump yourself up. Yeah.

So can we do that once? Can we just do it? You going to do the wolf of Wall Street one no or the one on the Matthew McConaughey, whatever you're feeling right now, because you said you do it in a different tune or whatever you're feeling.

Oh, me. And they they and they they.

Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow.

Oh, yeah, we do that all day. Does that bird work? Yeah, that's fucking sick. It's an I'll do that before, you know. I'm going to go give a speech, I get you get nervous or something. Try it. It'll get you out of your head and it'll sort of also doing that on your chest to lower your voice and relax you. And it makes people go, what the fuck is he doing? Which is also a good tool because they think you're you're out of your mind, which is usually somewhat true, which gives you an advantage when you go do what you do because you feel like you're on an island.

Also, just the human body craves contact.

So you start slapping yourself around a little bit like, OK, now I'm living.

Yeah, this is like blood flow in that. Oh, I love it. I love it.

Well, this has been awesome, Matthew. Everything. We wanted it more. Good luck trying to get Texas back.

I don't know if that will ever happen, but we'll see and we'll make the red wolves happen to. Yeah, yeah.

We'll be in process. We'll be in process.

All right, Cevat. Today is another day to find Sonia. Lonoke.