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Turning to save America, he's the first person to ever win three presidential debates in only two attempts. Please welcome Vice President Joe Biden. Thanks for being here.

It's great to be with you. Thank you.

As Leslie Stahl said to Donald Trump before he walked out on the interview, are you ready for some tough questions?

You guys I know would be you. I'd rather be on Fox. They make it easier for me. Wait till you see these fastballs coming out.

You know, I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. I want to start with last night's debate on that debate stage.

And actually throughout this campaign, President Trump has lobbed false accusation after a false accusation about your son, Hunter, for doing things that we know for a fact that Donald Trump's children have been doing profiting from the presidency. Yet both both last night and throughout this campaign, you have not brought up his children's activities. And I assume that that's a specific decision.

I'm curious why you've made it the specific decision. And I just think it's crass. I mean, I just I've never thought it was. Look, I'm running against Donald Trump, not his children, and the American people want to hear about their families, not about Trump's family or my family, although I'm very proud of my family. I don't there's I think but I just I just think it's it's just not how I was raised. So that's basic Spanel Trump, so also in the debate, Trump seemed to think he had a kind of gotcha moment there at the end when you talked about transitioning away from oil and fossil fuels, even though ending subsidies for those industries is very popular.

And he really wishes you'd say you'd ban fracking, even though you haven't. At the same time, you've set these ambitious climate goals as part of your plan. And a lot of polling shows that climate change is the number one issue among young people, particularly among young people deciding whether or not to vote. What is your message to those young people who are passionate about this issue, but skeptical that they can count on you or really any politician to actually deliver and take this issue with the urgency it demands?

It's the number one issue facing humanity. And it's the number one issue for me and all the way back in the 80s, I'm the first person ever, ever to lay out the need for a deal with global warming and back and PolitiFact said, check it out.

It was a game changer. And but it's just the way in which this campaign has been run from the beginning about me in the primaries, that it just never got traction.

Look. Climate change is the existential threat to humanity, the existential threat to humanity. Unchecked, it is going to actually break this planet. Not this is not hyperbole. It's real. And we have a moral obligation. There's not many things Dan and I worked together a long time. You don't hear me often invoke a moral obligation. We have a moral obligation not just to young people. We have a moral obligation to everyone. Look what's happening right now.

You just look around the United States of America. Forests are burning at a rate larger than Connecticut and Rhode Island combined. We lost people are losing their homes, their lives in the middle of the country. We're in a situation where you have one hundred year floods occurring every several years, wiping out entire entire counties and doing great damage. And by the way, as Dan, you may remember, the first thing that Barack and I were told about when we took when we went over to we're taking to the over to the Defense Department, they said the greatest threat facing the greatest security threat America faces is climate change.

Because what's going to happen, you see massive movements of populations fighting over land, fighting over the ability to live. And it is an existential threat. And so I just think but it also presents an enormous opportunity. It's a bizarre we're one of the few countries in the world that's always been able to take things that are serious problems and turn them into opportunities. It's also the vehicle by which we can not only save the planet, but we can generate such economic growth and lead the world.

But we have two problems. One, we have an internal problem in the United States. What are we going to do? We make up we make up 15 percent of the problem. But we're in a position where the rest of the eighty five percent of the world is responsible for the rest.

We can go we can go net neutral in terms of carbon tomorrow.

And we're still going to have our shores flooded. We're still going to have these terrific hurricanes. The polar caps are going to continue to melt. We're going to have we're going to have hurricanes and storms that and they're going to increase. And so we have to do two things. We need a president who can lead the world. And that's why I was so deeply involved in setting up the existence of the Paris climate accord, as well as do the things we have to do and can do.

And the last point I'll make up in any detail you'd like me to, but the last point I'd make is that, you know, the way we have to do this is we we cannot discount the concerns of people, what it means to their well-being, and not only in the future now, but what about how they make a living? That's why I'm the first person I'm aware of that went to every major labor union in the country and got them to sign on to my climate change plan, which is extensive.

We're going to get to zero net emissions for the production of electricity by twenty, thirty five and it's going to create millions of jobs. But we got to let people we can't be cavalier about the impact it's going to have on how we're going to transition to do all this. But I just think it's a gigantic opportunity, a gigantic opportunity to create really good jobs. What do you see as the relationship you're going to have? So a lot of climate activists have said basically we have to do everything we can to get Joe Biden in office as an existential threat.

And then their plan is they're going to put a ton of pressure on you to make sure that you really deliver on solutions around climate change.

What do you expect to be under pressure from these groups?

I'm going to put pressure on them to live up to what this cause they talk about. And it starts off with voting and staff sergeant volunteering and it starts off with making sure that they're organizing and they're taking care to make sure the people on the on the on the fence line communities get taken care of, make sure the priorities are set so we can assist in a situation where people who are hurt the most could help the quickest. You know, this is you know, I understand the sense, but the fact is that.

The first thing we're going to do is make sure that. We use the ability we have now, and I will as president, to do away with one hundred changes in an executive order as he is, he's put forward to do everything from allow more methane to seep into the into the atmosphere, allow to pollute rivers, a whole range of things. We can do that very, very quickly. But it's also going to require us to make sure that we deal with what we have to do now.

For example, we should, as you guys know, because you both worked in administrations, that the present United States has control over a six hundred billion dollars in assigning federal contracts, everything from one of the largest auto fleets and trucking fleets in the world to infrastructure.

When, as Dan I remember when the president asked me to handle make sure we got the Recovery Act at eight hundred billion dollars was going to be distributed to keep us from going into a depression. He gave me the authority to run that from beginning to end. And what we did was we were able to invest in bringing down the cost of renewable energy to compete with coal, gas and oil.

And so now you see what's happening. It's becoming a fait accompli. No one is going to build another oil or gas fired electric plant.

They're going to build one that is fired by renewable energy. We have to invest billions of dollars in making sure that we're able to transmit over our lines.

You may remember, Dan, when we sat in that of those office buildings in the in the interregnum period there, and we thought we could just make sure we could transfer this this renewable energy across the country at all.

Remember, we had that big map up and we showed all the all the high tension wires were going to go the smart grid.

That's right. Exactly right. But what happened? What happened was not in my neighborhood. People didn't want to have a high tension wires in their neighborhood. So what we're going to do and what's happening now and we're working on this for three years, you have a lot of folks in Silicon Valley and other places doing research on battery technology. So now we're going to be able to store, for example, they can have a battery about this. Why is my the width of my arms and about this thick that if you have solar power in your home, you're in the sun doesn't shine for a week, that battery will store it.

You're going to be able to have all the energy you need. In the meantime, we're going to provide five hundred and fifty thousand charging stations for real on the new infrastructure, green infrastructure we're going to be building. We're going to own the electric automobile market. We're going to create a million jobs and doing that. These aren't this is not hyperbole. These are things that have been run through by economists and Wall Street and and also by people who are in the thought community, the people who are running these major institutions.

And so there's so much we can do and we could create a clean environment. We can also grow the economy and get people good wages. The fastest growing industries are solar and wind, solar and wind. And then I spent 15 bucks an hour there paying prevailing wage.

Every single contract the president gave me the authority to let when we were running the Recovery Act, every single one paid prevailing wage. That's forty five to fifty bucks an hour plus benefits. And so that's how we're going to grow this economy.

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But in just the last hour here, the Republican Party tweeted out his second term agenda. So I'm going to read that to you. I have the ABC. Yes. Item number one, establish a permanent manned presence on the moon. Item number two, send the first manned mission to Mars. Item number three, build the world's greatest infrastructure system. And item number four, establish national high speed wireless Internet network. Now, I will not ask you to respond to that absurdity if you do not want to, but what would sort of be your version of that tweet?

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Get control coronavirus without that, nothing else is going to work very well. Number one, no to invest in the community in real infrastructure. He's been promising to invest in infrastructure in 17, 18, 19, 20. He hasn't done a single, solitary thing. So we're going to invest in generating economic growth in the United States by making it and buying it from buying an American made in America. He is exporting jobs overseas. The first thing we're going to have to do is to in order to compete internationally is we're going to have to compete.

We used to have we used to invest a little over two point six percent of our GDP in in research and science. It's now down to zero point six percent. We're going to invest in science and technology. We're going to make sure that we can compete with the rest of the world and leave the rest of the world. We have the greatest institute. Look, everybody, we have more great research universities, United States of America than every other research university in the entire rest of the world combined.

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But they didn't share much information. They virtually in sharing information. Well, that's all changing now is changing drastically. And we're going to have to invest in dealing with the things that affect the mental, physical and and environmental health of the country. And we can do that.

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For example, we're going to one of the things I laid out and I know is boring as hell, but as consequential, I laid out a farm policy, a farm Efrem that allows us to drastically increase the amount of acreage able to set aside. So we pay farmers for putting their their land in a land bank and planting deep rooted plants. You say, what's that about? It's about carbon capture. Put this in perspective. We right now burn burning the Amazon.

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Well, right now, we can't have the first net zero industry in America. Carbon emission can be agriculture, for example. I know this is boring stuff, but you think about what it can do.

Look, all of the methane that is going into the air because of cow manure and because of pig manure and because of chickens, you know, we we we have a four billion dollar industry and the east coast of the state of Delaware, I mean, the east coast of the United States and the Delmarva Peninsula. Well, guess what? The chicken manure has been polluting the estuaries in the Chesapeake Bay. We know now how to take the methane out of the manure, turn it into pellets and make it reusable fertilizer and take the methane and stored in other ways.

And it creates jobs in the process of doing it. But when you try to talk about things other than the kids who are really deeply into the environmental stuff, the kind of glazes over, so there's so many things we could do in the process. We can generate we can generate economic growth in rural America, let alone what we're going to be able to do relative to the other changes we can make with regard to the environment, for example. Well, I will go on.

I'm sorry, but I get a little excited about it because it's such an opportunity.

And by the way, that's why we have to the first thing I'm going to do is rejoin the Paris climate accord, because without us, nobody runs it, nobody steps up. No one has the moral authority to do it. And I'll conclude by saying the thing that bothers me most about Donald Trump is he has so fundamentally damaged the moral authority we have.

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I think that that's a good distinction.

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But one of the things that I think is most important is those who haven't voted yet. First of all, go to I will vote Dotcom.

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Extensive and inclusive voter fraud. Organization in the history of American politics, what the president is trying to do is discourage people from voting by implying that their vote won't be counted. It can't be counted. We're going to challenge it and all these things. If enough people vote, it's going to overwhelm the system. You see what's happening. And now you guys know it as well as I do. You see the long, long lines and early voting.

You see the millions of people have already cast a ballot. And so don't be intimidated if, in fact, you have any any problem, go to and I don't have the number, but it's eight three three Dem vote. The letters DVM Viotti call that number. We have over a thousand lawyers, over a thousand or more answering the phone.

If you think there's any challenge to your voting, go to eight three three Dem vote, dial those letters on your phone that will get you the assistance that we have already put in place. Thirdly, for those who've already voted, it's not enough with God love you. It's not enough that you voted. You got to go out and get your friends. You got to go out and get your family. You got to go out and get people. There's so many people, like the old days when we used to be used to be a lot easier.

There's so many people. When you were you able to knock on doors and know Mrs. Smith didn't have a vehicle that you drive her to the poll, are you the polls? You make sure that you get your friends, your family, because, look, you know, as John Lewis said before he passed away, it's really you have a sacred right and it's a sacred obligation to vote, particularly young people. You're the ones who, if eighteen to twenty four or twenty five years old, vote in the same percentage that the rest of the population voted in, in twenty sixteen, we know what would happen.

We would have had five point two million more people voting. You could own the election, you can own the outcome. It really, really, really, really, really matters.

And make the case to your friends, make your case and friends that they can't complain if they don't vote and it's going to be counted. It's going to be counted. And because I think the American people are going to show up in such large numbers, there's going to be no way to avoid the outcome.

And look what he's done from the beginning, done everything to try to discourage you, saying he's not sure I'll accept the results. He's not sure what he'll do. I guarantee you you'll accept the results and he'll be out. And there's no I'm going to stick with him.

You know, he has he's the only president. I know that six of his generals who worked directly for him said he's unfit to be president, the commander in chief. So I'm not worried about any any coup here.

You know, I'm not saying there's going to be a coup, but think about everything that's been said. When I said about three months ago, I think he's going to he's going to suggest he may not step down. He may not accept the outcome of all people. Senator, there goes Biden. What do you do two weeks later?

It's all designed to try to keep people from voting. So those who voted. You know how long it took you, how you did it, what you did go to, particularly if you have, you know, grandparents or older folks in your neighborhood or, you know, and they have they have an absentee ballot, show them.

It matters how they fill it out. It's complicated. Some of it. They haven't made it easier for people in many states. And by the way, that's why we challenged it may or may not hold up in Pennsylvania with the Supreme Court were to change it. But now they've allowed the county of postmarked, as can be counted for all the way for the next several days, which it should be. Well, you have in Texas the governor having these drop boxes, one in the county.

Some of the counties are as big as my state, almost literally.

And the idea is one drop box. And so we're going to be we're going to have enough people out there policing it, watching it, making sure do not be intimidated, but go out and help those who, you know, are going to have physically physical difficulty getting a polling place or may need help on how to get done, what they need to get done to vote. I will vote dot com. We'll tell you exactly where you could vote, where you live, what circumstances are available to you, and vote early, vote early.

But I and I, by the way, I particularly at one of the things we did, you know, you guys generation has stepped up. One of the things you may recall that I started arguing for is the need for significantly more young poll workers.

Well, thousands of you have showed up. Thousands of you have showed up because of covid older people who traditionally are the poll watchers and make sure everything's squared away. They're afraid to show up because they're dying.

Are they're getting covid many, they're worried about it. See what's happened to their friends. And so what's happening is this election is a generational election. This is this is this generation's opportunity, not a joke to take back our democracy. It literally, literally my word as a Biden is at stake. Our democracy is at stake.

And, you know, we all I and I have to admit to you, you know, I always heard that I was a history and political science major in college.

I've been involved in public life my whole adult life.

But I never really believed it, that it was really every generation has to earn it. Well, guess what? It's in jeopardy, man. It's in jeopardy. Do not be intimidated. Do not be intimidated. And whether you vote for me or against me, vote, vote, vote. There's not a single thing we can't do when the American people stand together, and that's not hyperbole. I mean, there's nothing nothing beyond our capability.

On that note, Vice President Joe Biden, thank you so much for your time, good luck in the last 10 days. And let's go win this thing. I'm going to give it all away.

Thank you very much. By the way, you guys have such an enormous following, not only with my children, my grandchildren, but my five grandchildren who range in age from twenty seven to to 14. I know that's not true. 16, she'd be very upset. I said 14.

But all kidding aside, you really you really reaching out and and and it touched me because you talk you know, you talk plainly to people and it matters. It really matters. Anyway, thanks.

Looking forward to seeing you guys in person. Thank you. Thank you.

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