Hello. This is Susie Esman and Jeff Garland. I'm here, and we are the hosts of the history of curb your enthusiasm podcast. Now, we're going to be rewatching and talking about every single episode, and we're going to break it down and give behind the scenes knowledge that a lot of people don't know. And we're going to be joined by special guests, including Larry David and Cheryl Pines, Richard Lewis, Bob Odenkirk, and so many more. And we're going to have clips, and it's just going to be a lot of fun. So listen to the history of curb your enthusiasm on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you happen to get your podcasts.

Hey, this is Dana Schwartz. You may know my voice from Noble Blood, Haleywood, or stealing Superman. I'm hosting a new podcast, and we're calling it very special episodes. A very special episode is stranger than fiction.

It sounds like it should be the next season of True Detective, these canadian cops trying to solve this mystery of who spiked the chowder on the Titanic set.

Listen to very special episodes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What up, guys? Ola Catal, it's your girl cheekies from the cheekies and chill and dear Cheekies podcasts. And guess what? We're back for another season. Get ready for all new episodes where I'll be dishing out honest advice, discussing important topics like relationships, women's health, and spirituality. I'm sharing my experiences with you guys, and I feel that everything that I've gone through has made me a wiser person. And if I can help anyone else through my experiences, I feel like I'm living my godly purpose. Listen to cheekies and chill and your cheekies on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

This is Rachel goes rogue.

This is Rachel Levis, your host of Rachel goes rogue. I'm here with my iHeart producers, and they'll be helping me go through different questions, things that you guys want answered. We took to Instagram and prompted you guys to ask me a few questions. Wanting to know what you wanted cleared up the things that have been on your mind, and I'm ready to answer everything. So let's get into it.

So you didn't even end up with Tom, and looking back, do you think all the drama was worth it, and do you regret your time spent with him?

I don't think all the drama was worth it, no. I have a lot of regrets with know, part of me wishes that. Well, I don't know. It's complicated, too. But I know the comments out there saying, oh, you blew up your life. You blew up everyone else's life for nothing. You're not even with Tom. And almost like an entitlement piece of, like, we, at least as viewers, deserve to see you guys at least take a shot at a relationship since you effed it all up for everyone. And to that, I say, I don't need to do that if I know that this relationship is not good for me. And it got me at my lowest of lows. So in trying to improve on myself and be a better person and grow and learn from my mistakes, getting back with Tom would be a step backwards. As a cast member who has been influenced by fans in the past and wanting to explore certain things, I can see that part of me that wants to fulfill that request, but in reality, it's just not a good idea. And I hope that you respect my decision to not have Tom in my life.

And now that you're not with him, how do you feel about his treatment towards Ariana and how he blames her for cheating?

I don't approve of that at all. I think that Tom uses Ariana's mental health against her, and it's very manipulative and messed up. I think he could have gone about it in a much more mature way, but who knows if he's even capable of that?

And you've said your relationship with Ariana was for the show and not deep or genuine, but she disagrees. So why do you think you're not on the same page?

This is an interesting one. Okay, hold on. We need to backtrack a minute because there's a backstory to how all of this played out. Back when I was with James and the pandemic hit, we were cooped up together, too scared to go out at all. And I found out later Tom told me that he had a lot of friends over during the pandemic, and I was dang. Like, that would have been nice to be invited to because my Covid experience was hell. And so I feel like a lot of people didn't invite us to places because they didn't enjoy being around James. And before, like, I wasn't that close with the cast. The closest person that I was in relation to was Sheena. And during the pandemic, Sheena had some specifications on who I couldn't and could be friends with in order for her to allow me into her house. All of this to say when we filmed season nine, which was our lowest point season, it was right at the end of the COVID lockdown. We were really restricted on filming. Different places weren't allowing filming. A lot of places were still closed. We had regulations on what kind of food we could eat and where it came from.

We had Covid tests every single day that we were filming or the day prior, and we still did throughout season ten as well. But that was when I started getting closer with Ariana and the rest of the cast because we kind of were in this world together, like this unique experience. We got to film during this lockdown, and it was still not close, close friendship, but we definitely had warmed up together. When James and I broke up, I had a conversation with Sheena, Ariana, Jenny Ting, and my friend Paige. And I explained to them why James and I broke up, like, the real reason why we broke up. And during that time, Sheena and I got pretty close. I wasn't hanging out with Ariana, but as we were know, we had a few call times together. Bathing suit shopping and her getting ready at my apartment before one of the nights out. And so I can see how it looks like we had a much, much closer friendship than we did. But in reality, I was much closer to Sheena at that time. Ariana, she's never been somebody who spoke down to me. And so I think that's unfortunate that I played into that.

I am very remorseful about that. And I'm making these decisions in my life now going forward to never betray a friend like that again. Every single person deserves that same level of basic respect.

You said you were a lot closer to Sheena. Do you feel any guilt for how hurt Sheena was from all of this?

Here's the thing. I did feel guilt when Sheena was talking about how the temporary restraining order affected her in that moment. And I've worked through this with therapy and a professional. And, yes, okay, it's okay to feel guilt in that situation, but Sheena assaulted me, and there are consequences to your actions if anyone knows that. I know that. And I feel like it's very hypocritical of her to say that I need to take accountability for my actions when I believe I've been taking accountability this whole time. Yet she still won't admit to what actually happened that night. And in a way, I don't expect her to. I know she has reasons for not admitting it. I know that she's protecting her daughter and her family, and because her husband, Brock had some domestic violence case be brought up on the show in the past, he already had a lot of backlash and scrutiny from that. And if she was also in a domestic violence physical assault case, then that would just really look bad for their family and possibly jeopardize their parenthood with their daughter, perhaps. I think that's why she felt so emotionally charged about it, because I think she went into survival mode, like, she felt like her child was being threatened or she was being threatened with the fact that it could go really south really quickly.

And so she has all the reason in the world to lie about it and defend herself and go as hard as she did. But in answering your question, I can't take on that guilt that I felt in that moment of, wow, I feel guilty for pressing charges against somebody who assaulted me. That wouldn't make sense because I didn't do anything wrong. In this instance, yes, I've done wrong. I understand her anger, but her actions are unacceptable if we separate the two instances because they are two separate things. In that moment, I did not do anything that deserved a punch in the face. And so the way she just took that, denied it completely. There's a term, it's called Darvo, deny, attack, reverse victim and offender. So she denied it completely. She attacked me and my character, saying I'm a known liar and cheat. She took her lawyer, went to the court steps and said that I am abusing the court system, which is not true. And she said that I was deflecting and not taking accountability. And that's the reason that I, quote unquote, made that know in this instance, Sheena did pull that Darvo, and I can't take on that responsibility.

Like, actions have consequences. It's out of my control how you react to what those consequences are.

Can you also go a little bit further on that and explain that process of when you decided not to and how you worked with the attorneys and what she knew.

The whole temporary restraining order came about when I told my family about what happened, and they said that that's not cool and I need to file a police report. I need to go to the doctor and have him examine my eye and document that this happened. And there was this question of filing a restraining order. And I said, as long as it doesn't go on her permanent record, I just want to know that it's not going to go on her permanent record. It's a temporary situation. It's not going to be in effect. In doing the temporary restraining order, I was trying to get everything out of the way so I could go off with my family and take some time to myself because it was so overwhelming. So I did everything that I needed to do in one day and I filled out the paperwork, I signed it, we submitted it. I had no intentions of serving Sheena that paperwork. It was supposed to be something that I had in my back pocket in case she came forward lying, saying that I assaulted her or in case she just became super vindictive and would not stop talking about me in this instance, which she did anyway.

But I digress. If you check the records, you will see that nowhere did I upload a photo of that document. I had no idea that TMZ would be searching for court documents. They released it and so that took me off guard. And this was supposed to be something that I could pull out if I needed to, not just like, oh, it's out there. And now she's thinking the worst and people are calling me, asking me to drop it, and I'm like, this wasn't even supposed to be a thing. I don't even think it's in effect. I didn't know how that legal system worked. Very complicated. Anyway, I decided to drop the restraining order and I worked with my legal team to do that. And I tried to make it clear to Sheena that I was dropping it like she wanted. She's been asking our mutual friends to contact me to get them to convince me to drop the restraining order. And instead of believing me, I think she was relieved at first when she got the paperwork I gave to Andy, Andy gave to her. And then she took a photo of the paperwork, sent it to her lawyer.

Her lawyer said, it's fake and it's not true and we're going to go to court anyway. And so then she was mad again and it just wasn't resolved in the way that it should have. Like, it should have just ended there and it could have just been done with. But instead she made a whole spectacle of it going to the court and making this statement to the press and saying, I lost because I didn't show up, which is not the case. I already told her I was dropping it and I wasn't going to show up. And by not showing up, it means that the case is dropped. But she decided to spin that narrative and say that I lost and that she's vindicated for her actions.

Have you tried to reach out and talk to after all this or do you have plans on doing that down the line?

No, I don't plan on ever talking to her again. I don't have many boundaries, but one of them is physical violence. If you harm me physically or if you harm any living animal physically, I will effective and immediately cut you out of my life. And that is a solid, hard boundary that I have for myself. And it's sad looking at that and thinking like, oh, wow, things really have to get to such an extreme for you to draw these boundaries. So I'm working with my therapist now on how to create these boundaries so that things won't escalate to this cris breaking point. So if that answers the question, no, I don't plan on reaching out to her. I have been working on my list of resentments towards people, and I don't know what the next step is necessarily, but I don't know. We'll see what the future holds, but I don't plan on having a relationship ever again with Sheena.

Hey, this is Danish Schwartz. You may know my voice from Noble Blood, Haley Wood, or stealing Superman. I'm hosting a new podcast, and we're calling it very special episodes.

One week, we'll be on the case with special agents from NASA as they crack down on black market moon rocks.

H. Ross Pro is on the other side, and he goes, hello, Joe. How can I help you? I said, Mr. Pro, what we need is $5 million to get back a moon rock.

Another week, we'll unravel a 90s Hollywood mystery.

It sounds like it should be the next season of true detective or something. These canadian cops trying to solve this 25 year old mystery of who spiked the chowder on the Titanic set.

A very special episode is stranger than fiction. It's normal. People plop down in extraordinary circumstances. It's a story where you say, this should be a movie. Listen to very special episodes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm Susie Esman.

And I am Jeff Garland.

Yes, you are.

And we are the hosts of the history of curb your enthusiasm podcast. We're going to watch every single episode. It's 122, including the pilot, and we're going to break them down.

By the way, most of these episodes I have not seen for 20 years.

Yeah, me too. We're going to have guest stars and people that are very important to the show, like Larry David.

I did once try and stop a woman who was about to get hit by a car. I screamed out, watch out. And she said, don't you tell me what to do.

And Cheryl Hines, can't you just lighten.

Up and have a good time?

And Richard Lewis, how am I going.

To tell him I'm going to leave now.

Can you do it on the phone? Do you have to do it in person? What's the canceling cable? You have to go in and he's a human being. He's helped you.

And then we're going to have behind the scenes information. Tidbit.

Yes, tidbit is a great word.

Anyway, we're both a wealth of knowledge about this show because we've been doing it for 23 years. So subscribe now and you could listen to the history of Kerber enthusiasm on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you happen to get your podcasts.

What up, guys? Ola ketal.

It's your girl.

Cheekies from the cheekies and chill. And dear Cheekies podcasts. You've been with me for season one and two, and now I'm back with season three. I am so excited. You guys get ready for all new episodes where I'll be dishing out honest advice and discussing important topics like relationships, women's health and spirituality. For a long time, I was afraid of falling in love, so I had to. And this is a mantra of mine, or an affirmation every morning where I tell myself it is safe for me to love and to be loved. I've heard this a lot. That people think that I'm conceited, that I'm a mamona. And a Mamona means that you just think you're better than everyone else. I don't know if it's because of how I act in my video. Sometimes I'm like, I'm a baddie. I don't know what it is, but I'm chill. It's cheekies and chill. Hello. Listen to cheekies and chill. And dear cheekies as part of the Mykultura podcast network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Going back to this last season, do you think that Ken and Lisa knew about the fair before it was revealed?

I don't know if Ken and Lisa knew about the fair as much as I think production probably knew about the fair. They did catch us in. Like, there's a moment that they caught on camera of, like, slapping my ass right behind Ariana's back and me pushing his hand away. And they caught that. I know that they saw it because they kept it in there. They also teased the affair with the trailer that came out, and the trailer came out, obviously, before season ten came out. So I have a feeling. Plus, producers are all up in our business. They're looking at what we're posting all the time, who we're hanging out with, they're hearing what we're saying, like, when cameras aren't rolling because we have mic packs on, and so it's very enmeshed, and I would be very surprised if they did not know about it.

Can you address your behavior towards Katie and her mom at sir in the original finale and have you reflect on how you treated her while she was trying to heal from a divorce and have boundaries?

Yeah, I have reflected on that, and I do regret a lot of how I behaved towards Katie. I realize now that she was going through her own heartbreak and her own pain, and going through a divorce is not something that anybody wants to go through. And seeing your ex with somebody else is devastating. And so I played a part in being the offender, and I think to me, it didn't seem real. I lacked empathy for the position I was putting her in and the motions that were coming up for her. And I really regret a lot of how I behaved in those situations. Yeah.

And can you address the thruffle comment? And did you really mean it?

So with the thruple comment, it was strange. Like, tom and Ariana give off a open relationship vibe. And I know that they say that they're not in an open relationship, but the lines were very blurry. And I know Tom would test her with certain things. Me being there, kind of like pushing this boundary to see what he could get away with. Ariana seemed totally fine in some instances. For example, that pool scene in Cancun where she went topless and I went in in a dress and we were all three in the jacuzzi. And so it gives mixed signals. I also know that Ariana and Lala have had this little thing in the backseat of the car when Tom was driving. And Tom has also said, like, oh, yeah, Ariana and I check out girls together. And so it's these specific examples that make up this concept of an open relationship. And I don't know. It was a thought that I had and it was shot down.

You did mean it in the.

Oh, yeah, I meant it in the. Yeah.

What was the plan? If no one found out about the affair, would you have debuted as a couple in this next season? And did you talk about a plan?

He was saying, look, people hated Ariana in the beginning, and then they realized that we were sticking together and we weren't going anywhere, and so they had to accept it and they ended up loving her. And so it could be the same for us. Isn't it funny how history repeats itself. I think in his mind, he's gotten away with it before, that he could get away with it again. And I think I was just naive and wishful thinking that this could work out the way that I wanted it to. Because ultimately, at that time, I did want to be with, like, I was hoping for the best, I guess. I don't know. But that's the thing, too, because I was like, we need to tell Ariana before the, like, we can't go into the reunion with her not knowing because I feel like that just really wouldn't be fair on her. And the one thing that we got hung up on, like, he did not want her to know when it first started. And I don't see the point in lying about those things because isn't it much better to just be upfront and honest and tell the truth and be like, look, this is how it is.

I know it hurts you to hear this, but it's doing you an injustice for you not to know.

But then why didn't you bring it up to Ariana?

I almost did. There were a few instances that I almost brought it up to Ariana. I told Tom, I was like, maybe I should tell Ariana. And he was, no, no, you're not going to tell Ariana. And I was like, okay, then you're going to tell Ariana. And so I was kind of waiting on him to tell her. It was my duty to tell her. Yes, I know that in that moment, I felt like it was more of his responsibility, him being in that relationship with her, for him to tell her and for him to break up with her.

Hey, this is danish forts. You may know my voice from noble blood, Haley Wood, or stealing Superman. I'm hosting a new podcast and we're calling it very special episodes.

One week we'll be on the case with special agents from NASA as they crack down on black market moon rocks.

H. Ross pro is on the other side and he goes, hello, Joe, how can I help you? I said, Mr. Perot, what we need is $5 million to get back a moon rock.

Another week, we'll unravel a 90s Hollywood mystery.

It sounds like it should be the next season of true detective or something. These canadian cops trying to solve this 25 year old mystery of who spiked the chowder on the Titanic set.

A very special episode is stranger than fiction. It's normal. People plop down in extraordinary circumstances. It's a story where you say, this should be a movie. Listen to very special episodes on the iHeartRadio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

Hi, I'm Susie Esman.

And I am Jeff Garland.

Yes, you are.

And we are the hosts of the history of Curb your enthusiasm podcast. We're going to watch every single episode. It's 122, including the pilot, and we're going to break them down.

And by the way, most of these episodes I have not seen for 20 years.

Yeah, me too. We're going to have guest stars and people that are very important to the show, like Larry David.

I did once try and stop a woman who was about to get hit by a car. I screamed out, watch out. And she said, don't you tell me what to do.

And Cheryl Hines, why can't you just.

Lighten up and have a good time?

And Richard Lewis, how am I going.

To tell him I'm going to leave now?

Can you do it on the phone? Do you have to do it in person? What's the canceling cable? You have to go in and he's a human being. He's helped.

And then we're going to have behind the scenes information. Tidbit.

Yes, Tidbit is a great word.

Anyway, we're both a wealth of knowledge about this show because we've been doing it for 23 years. So subscribe now and you could listen to the history of Kerber enthusiasm on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you happen to get your podcasts.

What up, guys? Ola ketal, it's your girl. Cheekies from the cheekies and chill. And dear Cheekies podcasts. You've been with me for season one and two, and now I'm back with season three. I am so excited, you guys. Get ready for all new episodes where I'll be dishing out honest advice and discussing important topics like relationships, women's health, and spirituality. For a long time, I was afraid of falling in love, so I had to. And this is a mantra of mine, or an affirmation every morning where I tell myself it is safe for me to love and to be loved. I've heard this a lot. That people think that I'm conceited, that I'm a Mamona. And a Mamona means that you just think you're better than everyone else. I don't know if it's because of how I act in my video. Sometimes I'm like, I'm a baddie. I don't know what it is, but I'm chill. It's cheekies and chill. Hello. Listen to cheekies and chill. And dear cheekies as part of the My Coultura podcast network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

What is it about Sandoval that he's able to have this power and influence over people? What do you think it is?

I think Sandoval, I don't know. I think some people can call it like some people were able to see this from a mile away and maybe those are the people that have experienced toxic relationships before that they could kind of see his pattern. For me, I think it was the way that he presented himself. Like, he seemed like this selfless guy who would always root for the underdog, who wanted everyone to succeed and was selfless and would be very giving to people in need and went out of his way to be that for other people. I think a lot of that is driven by his own ego. And so when I saw it, I saw it as this kind soul who is giving and figured something out in life. And in reality, I think it was just like what he wanted people to believe about him. And I was blinded by that. I had those rose colored lenses on and so all of those red flags I didn't really pinpoint as red flags and I didn't allow myself to register them to be that way. And I didn't want to believe it because I have known him for so long and he had consistently been this type of person throughout those years.

And just one last question to wrap this episode up. I think a lot of people have been wondering. You were so emotionless at the reunion.

Yeah.

And then in the last 5 minutes you were being so honest and there was a huge drastic shift why I.

Was compartmentalizing for the reunion. I was really taking direction from somebody. And besides it being super overwhelming and there's a lot going on, the process of the trailer, going to the filming site and the exchange of that with Sheena and then Sandoval telling me to stick to the story and just like observing and trying to keep my cool. And usually I'm the type of person to not overreact to things. Like I will be able to keep my cool in crisis moments, which I guess is a blessing and a curse. But I think because I wasn't being honest, I wasn't being truthful, I wasn't revealing anything about myself, I wasn't able to be emotional in that way. And so I think that's why you see that dichotomy, that big shift in the last 5 minutes of that interview, because, well, the interview was a lot more than 5 minutes by the way the last 5 minutes of season ten, you see me break down because I want to come clean, and I'm still holding things back because I don't want to betray Tom because he is the one person that I have left. Like, in my world, it seemed like he was the only person.

He got me. He understood me. He was there for me in all of this time or so I believed. And by revealing these things, I was, quote, unquote, betraying him. And I think that was also a really hard part for me because it was like, okay, once I do this, that's it. He's never going to forgive me. Turns out he was mad when I told him, but he was like, don't ever do that to me again. When you say you're going to do something, you have to do it. You have to follow through with it. That's part of being a reliable person. And he's like, I've given you so many chances, and if you do this one more time, then I can't pursue a relationship with you. And through my trauma therapy, that was, like, a big thing that I was working on because I was like, well, look, I betrayed Tom by telling this truth. And my therapist was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. But didn't Tom betray you first? And I was know, like, I couldn't see it. And so I had to really think on that. Like, how did Tom betray me? Oh, he asked me to lie when he knew that I wasn't a good liar, and I expressed to him that I don't like lying.

He put me in a really bad position with my friendships and this placement of being on this international reality tv show that my reputation was on the line. He knew I was going through this heartbreak. And I've heard him say on his interviews, like, oh, Raquel really was coming into her own, and that's what attracted him to me. And I'm like, you asshole, you could have just let me be, like, let me live. Why can't you cheer me on as a friend? And the biggest way he betrayed me was filming me without my consent. I can see the impact that the show had on my decisions, the impact that my trauma and my connection with Tom had on those decisions and my trust in him and betraying myself in that process. I've been able to see a lot clearer now, and that's what I needed. I needed that space to gain that clarity. Otherwise, if I went back to do the show, it would just be all jumbled up in a million pieces once again, it would have been me and Tom versus the world, and I would have fallen into unhealthy patterns.

Hello, this is Susie Esman and Jeff Garland. I'm here, and we are the hosts of the history of Curb your enthusiasm podcast. Now, we're going to be rewatching and talking about every single episode, and we're going to break it down and give behind the scenes knowledge that a lot of people don't know. And we're going to be joined by special guests, including Larry David and Cheryl Hines, Richard Lewis, Bob Odenkirk, and so many more. And we're going to have clips, and it's just going to be a lot of fun. So listen to the history of curb your enthusiasm on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you happen to get your podcasts.

Hey, this is Dana Schwartz. You may know my voice from Noble Blood, Haleywood, or stealing Superman. I'm hosting a new podcast, and we're calling it very special episodes. A very special episode is stranger than fiction.

It sounds like it should be the next season of true detectives, these canadian cops trying to solve this mystery of who spiked the chowder on the Titanic set.

Listen to very special episodes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What up, guys? Ola Catal, it's your girl cheekies from the cheekies and chill and dear Cheekies podcasts. And guess what? We're back for another season. Get ready for all new episodes where I'll be dishing out honest advice, discussing important topics like relationships, women's health, and spirituality. I'm sharing my experiences with you guys, and I feel that everything that I've gone through has made me a wiser person. And if I can help anyone else through my experiences, I feel like I'm living my godly purpose. Listen to cheekies and chill and your cheekies on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Our channel.