You are listening to the Reality Steve podcast with your host Reality Steve. He's got all the latest info. And behind the scenes, Juice and Claire's upcoming season of The Bachelorette and interviewing some of your favorite reality stars. Now, here's a reality, Steve. What's up, everybody, welcome to podcast number two oh six, I am your host reality, Steve. Thank you all for tuning in. Interesting show for you. This week.

We've got the tick tock girl, Carly Hammond, the ex of Joseph Aberrated, if that's how you pronounce it. Actually, I don't even know how to pronounce his last name. I'm assuming it's Abarat Aberrated.

But Carly Hammond, the woman who spent a weekend with him three weekends ago, and she explains everything that she. Had the three minutes to explain on Tick Tock, we go over the whole timeline and everything that happened with them coming up today. I do want to get to a couple of things. First off, I apologize for last night for my Instagram live. Ashleigh and I have been doing Instagram lives ever since. Godwin was our first one. Let me look here first one was.

Oh, my gosh, it's all the way back. First one we did was five 17th of May 17th was our first one. We've done one basically every week, I think, except for one week and every single one of them, when we're done, it says end video. I hit Save and it's saved on my Instagram story, not Instagram story on my TV, the little TV symbol on my Instagram page.

And for whatever reason, last night I hit end. I chose a picture, I put a title on it, and then I hit Save and.

I went back to my Instagram page and it said posting and the little blue bar goes across the screen and then it just disappeared. So it's really disappointing because that Ashley and I both agree that was one of our best ones because we talked about and if you missed it, honestly, pretty much everything I said, I wrote my column yesterday.

So please go read yesterday's recap if you really want to go watch and you missed the live and you obviously can't see the live now because it didn't save for whatever reason. But unfortunately, it's gone forever. Usually when used to film on Instagram, while it saved it to your videos on your phone, and then you could you had it there, but that didn't do that anymore. I don't know why he hasn't done that for a while, actually. So I apologize to anybody who missed it and I get it, I mean, it's if you're on the West Coast, I you know, if most people are working and you have a job and you still have a job at five o'clock in the afternoon on a Wednesday, I, I don't expect, I guess a lot of people in the West Coast to be tuning in live.

And I get you watch it later on and I've always had it later on. I just unfortunately for this one, it disappeared when I tried to save it. So I don't know what happened. Apologize for that. Elsewhere. I think I went over enough in my column yesterday, the easy stuff, my thoughts on Zach, my thoughts on Yoseph, and then we have the woman that Joseph was with three weekends ago on the podcast today, because, look, she shared her story on Ticktock.

I immediately contacted her and said, is this legit? She showed me everything, if you want to see the text messages that she talks about in the podcast today. Yes, she posted them on her Instagram and on her ticktock. But you have to hit the screen every time to pause the video. And it's a lot her your body's kind of covering it. Can't read the whole thing. So they're on my. On my website today and reality, Steve Dotcom, so go check it out if you want to kind of follow along what she says in the podcast.

But I really appreciate Carly doing this because as you'll hear in the podcast, a lot of women have come to me since March. When Yoseph first showed up on the cast list for Claire season, he was on the original cast list.

And there wasn't a guy on that list, that gate that I got more negative information about and more people telling me stories about him that weren't positive. Then Yoseph problem is, none of them wanted to come forward and none of them wanted to have their name attached to it, so and was somebody that did it on her own.

And she actually released her first Tic-Tac video the night before the first episode, but it didn't gain steam until the following week. I don't know who caught it and started passing it around, but somebody did. And, you know, now it's over a million views. And but we go over the whole timeline. The tick tock videos are one minute each. So three total minutes that she explained it. This is close to an hour. And I basically said, let's start at the beginning.

How did it start? What was the extent of it?

And just take me through the whole weekend and what has happened since. And we go over a lot and I appreciate her. You know, it's a 22 year old single mother. And that to me in itself is. A little off, I would say, Yoseph is a 30 year old man with a four year old daughter divorced and he's. Going after 22 year old single women, single mothers, a. You know, age is just a number.

I get that it's just when she's 22. And a single mother, I mean, maybe he's using his whole, hey, I'm a single dad to lets bond over that, it seems like. It's the behavior is unacceptable, and she had every right to call him out for what he did and listen to her story today and hopefully you'll get a clearer picture of everything that went down. So let's just get right into it now.

Podcast number 206, this is Carly Hammond.

OK, let's bring her in right now.

Her name is Carly Hammond, and she is, I guess, what you want to call her, a tick tock girl from last week who kind of went a little bit viral with her with her posts about a weekend she spent with Yoseph.

I believe the weekend was November 9th through 11th, correct? Yes.

So was the night Throop 11.

OK, so let's just back up from the very beginning. First off, I want you to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your name, your age, where you live and just kind of your life.

So my name is Carly and I live in Florida and I'm twenty two and I'm a mom and I go to nursing school right now.

OK, what's it what part of Florida? You and I live in Tampa. You're in Tampa.

OK, so for what would you and I have spoken about after I saw your tick tock and everyone started sending me your tick tock? They're like, you have to talk to this girl. And I had reached out to you that night when you posted it last week. I think he posted last.

Was it the night of the second episode was I posted it before the show even premiered. Oh, that's right. The day before, like the morning before the show premiered.

That's right. But it didn't it didn't take off until last week after the second episode aired, which was kind of like what? I'm wondering what caused it to kind of take off. Do you know?

I honestly don't know. Like it was it had like a couple of thousand views and that was really it. And then, like, that night you called me. I just had gone on to talk like an hour before you called me. And I just thought it was blowing up. And I was like, what just happened?

I don't remember it offhand in terms of what you hashtag did. Did you hashtag it with anything Bachelorette or Yossef or.

I think I just hashtag like. That's right. And that's our nation.

And that was like, OK, there must have been something there that got everyone going. OK, so let's start at the beginning. How did you meet Yoseph who reached out to CU? When did it start? Give us the basics of how this whatever you want to call it, relationship began with Yoseph.

So I guess like a couple months before he messaged me, I requested to follow him. So then in September, he ended up accepting my referral request and then following me back. And then the day that he accepted my request, he ended up like Demming me, like replying to a story that I posted and was just like joking about the story because it was talking about, like, men being emotionally unavailable. And I kind of just like the message because I was like, who is this dude?

Like, what the heck? And then he, like, messaged me again, like trying to make a joke. And then, like, from there we just, like, started talking for, like, every single day.

Interesting. And at the time. So this was in September. So he is clearly back from the show at any point in your conversation. One, did you know that Joseph Buratti, that you had you pronounce his last name, did you know that he had just filmed Claire's season of The Bachelorette? And two, if you did, had you read anything about this guy, is going to be the villain after telling Claire off that I had put out there?

Are you a fan of the show?

Do you watch it? Did you know any of this stuff when you were talking to him? And did he ever bring it up to you? So I do like watch the show and stuff, but when he had first messaged me for, like the first week and a half, I had no idea he was on the show until my friend sent me a promo and I saw him yelling at her in the promo. And that was the first time I ever saw it.

And then I kind of just sent it to him. I was like, Do you want to tell me something? And he was like, Oh, I wonder I was wondering when you were going to see that. And then that's when he kind of told me, like, oh, yeah. Like they kind of helda to make me look like a villain. But I'm really not like I really am not a bad person. Like, I just didn't like how she treated the men on the date.

And I said something about that because I'm not going to let someone disrespect me and a bunch of other people on national TV. And that was really like all he said, like as to like why he was the villain.

I didn't like what she I just said something to eat it. He left out the part where he ranted, engraved on her and insulted her for 20 minutes. That's kind of convenient for him to do that.

Did you watch the episode last night? Yeah.

So I didn't watch the episode last night.

And your take on it. It's just I don't know. It's just crazy because he has such double standards and he's talking about a date he wasn't even on. And I understand like he wants to say, like, oh, she's classless, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't have a say. Like what goes down on the dates one and two last season, they literally had girls pillow fighting and laundry and like no one had a problem with it.

So, OK, you start talking in September and you say this, this becomes like an everyday thing when it when it becomes something like that, where he messages you on a story that you post and then all of a sudden this becomes an everyday messaging. What are you guys talking about? Are any of these messages turning into like how long did it take to do phone calls versus how long did it take to start FaceTime with each other? What's the time frame there from the time you first got in contact with you to the time it became phone calls and FaceTime?

So we basically just messaged on Instagram just for like a day. And then the next then that next day I ended up falling asleep and then the next day like a message and back. And I was like, oh, sorry, I fell asleep. And he's like, oh, it's OK. And then he asked me for my phone number and I had given him my phone number and we were just texting like throughout the day. And then he had asked me if I wanted to like face time that night just to talk and stuff.

So we ended up face timing like two days after he messaged me.

And when you started face timing, what did those. Become so like the first face time call, we were on face time for like four hours and we were just like talking about everything, like just like pretty much like where he is, like with work and like what he's, like, trying to do with his work and like where I am at school and like what I'm trying to do and like pretty much just like where we see ourselves in like ten years, things like that.

And then just like kind of like questioned you just like talk about to like get to know someone. Yeah.

And how soon after you guys started talking, which was just a day or two after the first message between you two. At what point was it brought up that. We're interested in each other, we should meet. I'll come see you or you come see him in up, obviously being him coming to see you for a weekend.

But how how far into you guys starting talking?

Did that get brought up and who initially so actually, like the first they were talking, he was like making comments about like me going to Alabama to like go hiking and stuff like in Alabama, because that's like something I'd like to do is like go hiking and be outdoors. And he's like, oh, there's plenty of cool places like in Alabama and stuff. So he was like talking about that like literally like the first day we he started messaging me.

And then from there we were talking like maybe two or three days. And he's like, honestly, like, I'm going to I want to plan a trip and come down just for a weekend just to me and like all of that. And I was like, OK, yeah. Like if if you want like you can like, just get a hotel and like we can do something that weekend and everything. And he's like, OK, so then he planned it like the first of the next available weekend that he was coming down.

But before the show aired, which was the night to 11th.

So the show started on the 13th. So it was basically the weekend before the show started.

Yeah. OK, at what point before you knew.

OK, before he was coming down. Was it known that like the like when you knew he was coming whenever it was booked, I don't know what date it was booked. I don't think it really matters. But when it was booked and you knew he was coming to town, was it known in your head that this was you guys were into each other? This was something that you were taking seriously if you were taking it seriously? Well, this was a romantic thing or you were having him come to town to see if there was something romantic there.

So like at the point where he was coming, like we both said that we weren't talking to other people and we weren't interested in other people and we were just kind of trying to see where this could go. Just the two of us, like we've talked like about what dating would be like with both of us having daughters and things like that. And he talked like about if I wanted to live in Florida, like forever, like he could move to Pensacola, but that's as far as he could move because he does have his daughter and stuff like that, like and we talked about like things like that.

So I mean, to me, I thought it was pretty serious. And we both said we weren't talking to other people and that we were really just focusing on pursuing each other.

And that ended up being a lot of bullshit, but yeah, he mentioned I can only move as far as Pensacola. He's in the Mobile, Alabama area. How far is the drive from Mobile to Tampa?

It's seven hours, seven hours. OK, so let's just get to the weekend he comes out, he drives out on Friday, November 9th, he gets to the hotel. I'm assuming you he says I'm here. You meet him there. What happened on Friday?

So he got here like kind of late, like eight, nine o'clock. So we ended up just going and to like a bar that in the town that he was staying in and he ended up getting a couple of drinks. I was just hanging out. And then we we went next door to the other bar and he got some food. And then he asked if I want to go back with him to the hotel to hang out and we could watch a movie or something.

And I said, sure, and.

That night, how much did you have to drink when by the time we met, he was already like four, four bourbons deep and then it only got worse in there?

Yeah. And then he had a few more at the bar, like two or three more.

Would you say it was like he was able to handle it or he was just like totally sloppy and drunk. He was he was sloppy, but at the same time, like. He was not falling all over the place, like throwing up, but like. He just was like sloppy and just like his actions and things he was doing. Like what? Like, he was just like. I'm not a confrontational person, and he had told me previously he's just very confrontational and like just like stupid things about like speaking loudly about like things and just like.

Not wanting to put on a mask and stupid things like that, like just little things, I was just like, OK, like don't do that, like just put the mask on to walk into the restaurant like it's not that big of a deal.

Yoseph admitting he's confrontational. No way. Never saw that coming and talking about not putting on a mask.

Right. YOSEPH Good. Good one. OK, so Friday happens. What happens at the I mean, do you do you stay with him Friday night?

No. So I just went back to the hotel for like a few hours and then I ended up leaving and coming back home.

And you came back home on Friday night, Saturday morning. Probably about the time you got home. Yeah.

And then what happens on? So I'm assuming I mean, he came to your town to see you, to stay with to not stay with you, but to see you, to see to spend a weekend with you. Saturday comes around after you had spent most of Friday night with him. What happens on Saturday?

So actually, Friday night I ended up calling my best friend and I was like, honestly, like, I don't know that I want to go. Like, it really didn't go, like how I thought it was going to go. Like my accent. My expectations were not met at all. But then I feel bad because he came all this way, like to meet me and stuff. And she was just like, I think you should go out and give him another chance.

And if it's like going poorly, like just go home in the middle of like the middle of it, like you can text me and I'll call you or something like that to leave. So I was like, OK, so then we ended up going to the beach on Saturday morning and then we hung out at the beach for a couple hours and then we ended up just leaving and going to lunch. And then after lunch we went back to his hotel and we were just hanging out again, like just talking like messing around.

And then I had to go back home to my daughter and I told him that I could come back later that evening around like eight or nine, depending on what time my daughter went down and things like that.

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Now let's get back to Carly Hamman uninterrupted for the remainder of the podcast.

OK, when you said expectations weren't met and Friday didn't go as well as you had planned, what happened?

I just felt like I don't I don't know if it was because he was like he had a lot to drink, but I just felt like he was like the conversation was just like so forced and like he was just. Like one word, answering everything, and it was just like he wasn't like trying to get to know me or anything or like asking questions about me, like he was just like. Like trying to be like lovey dovey and like touchy feely, and I'm not like a very affectionate person, especially like if I don't know you like, I'm not going to be affectionate.

So like that that part was just like he wanted to be like all affectionate and like all lovey dovey. And I'm like, no, like, let's talk like let's get to know one another. And he wasn't really interested in that. No. OK. OK, so you're basically at this point, it didn't go great Friday night. He was kind of drinking, just kind of being whatever, like you said, touchy feely and doesn't didn't seem to be putting as much interest in you as I'm guessing he invested in the first month when you were spending four hours on the phone together and whatnot.

And another thing that you did tell me when when we spoke was he used his daughter a lot when he spoke with you. Right. Didn't he send you videos of his daughter all the time?

Yeah. So like when we would talk and Snapchat, he would just send me videos of like when he had her like of them in the car, like talking like responding to me and my daughter or like responding to like something my daughter was doing and like just send me like pictures of her and stuff like that.

So the last, you know, in the timeline here, we're at Saturday afternoon or at the beach. And you said Friday night didn't go well Saturday at the beach. How did it go? What did he did he improve it all? Did he start asking questions about you or is it more or less? Again, seemingly he wasn't acting interested. So Saturday after, like, I kind of told him how like I felt uncomfortable, like Friday and everything, he like apologized and was like super like.

Sorry for what he had done, and I was like, it's OK, but I just don't want this to be a lust thing, like I really want to get to know each other before, like. We continue like that other thing, because it's harder to build like that mental connection than it is like a sexual connection. And he was like, yeah, like, I totally understand. And it was just like better when we went out to lunch, like, conversation was just better.

And like, I thought, like, OK, yeah, this could go somewhere because we're actually talking and communicating.

And then when you left Saturday, is there something I did where exactly when you left the beach or you left that Saturday afternoon with him, the plan was you were going to see him later on that night or you weren't. And if you weren't, why not? So after I, I we were hanging out at the hotel and he was just being lovey dovey and I told them, like, we're not going to do anything, and he kind of just, like, got annoyed by that.

And I was like, I don't want to hook up like I don't want to do anything like no. And he was just kind of annoyed and he's like, OK, OK. And then I told him that it could come back over later. And he's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was supposed to come, I did end up going back Saturday night, but when I went back, he supposedly fell asleep. OK, so if I can translate this, I'm guessing the impression I'm getting is he tried to have sex with you Saturday afternoon and you weren't having it, and that annoyed him.

Yeah, that's basically like what I felt like, I told him no, and then he got annoyed by that and then he told me he was going to go out to get drinks with some guys from the hotel. And I was like, OK, yeah, like, have fun. Just let me know if you still want me to come. He's like, yeah, yeah. I still want you to come. I still want you to come.

And then he.

Ended up falling asleep, supposedly, so it's like you told me to come by if you really didn't want me to come. You could have just said no.

So you drove back to the hotel that night and. You know, I I'm I'm assuming because I know people are going to ask or not even ask this, they're going to make a comment about you said, oh, I'm going to go after I'm going to go back to your to his hotel after I put my daughter down. I'm assuming that there's a sitter there or something just so people don't freak out. Yes.

Yes. And I'm almost home. OK. OK, so you go back to the hotel. I remember you telling me it was like an hour away right from where you are.

Yeah. So he stayed over by the beach. So it and where he stayed like you have to go through a town and there's a lot of light. So it's like an hour away.

You go back to the hotel Saturday night to see him and you get there and you text him or you call him and you're like, hey, I'm here. And no response. What happened? So I asked him six times if he wanted me to come. And he said, yeah, and then when I was 20 minutes away, I called him, I'm like, Hey, do you still want me to come in? He's like, Yeah. And he's like, but I am a little tipsy.

And I was like, OK, so do you want me to come? Because that's a little annoying. And he's like, yeah, I still come. Like I'm not going to drink anymore more, I'm not going to drink anymore. And I was like, OK, so then from there I just didn't text him because I was on my way. He knew I was on my way. And then I get there and I texted him, I'm like, here?

And he doesn't answer. So then I call him. I'm like calling, goes to voicemail, call again, goes to voicemail. So then I text him on Snapchat and I'm like, I'm here. And then he doesn't answer. And I wait there like 10, 20 minutes. And then I realize his car's not even in the parking lot. So I was like, OK, like, that's annoying, but whatever. I'm going home. Like, I don't I don't feel like doing dealing with this, like it's not even worth it.

So you go home.

When's the next you hear from him.

So I go home and I just go to bed and then I wake up the next morning and I have like two missed calls from him, like three snapshots and like three or four texts. And he's just saying, oh, I'm so sorry. I ended up falling asleep, like in the chair. Like, I just sat down and I was waiting for you and I passed out and like he said the same thing on Snapchat.

And where is the like around what time when you woke up the next morning, what time had he had sent these texts and calls? So when I woke up, he had texted these things like three, almost four in the morning, and when you were there, what time was that? It was like 11, 11.

You know, fall asleep in a chair for five hours happens, um, OK, so. That's Sunday. Do you ever see him again? No, so, son, he left Sunday morning because he said he was going to go have lunch with a friend in Pensacola in Tallahassee, so he had left to go meet up, but then he or he said he was going to have dinner with them, but then he ended up leaving and having lunch with him and we were just texting.

But I really was just so annoyed at the whole thing. So I just, like, told him, like, I really don't have anything to say, like your car wasn't in the parking lot like.

And what was his answer to that?

He said that there was a wedding at the hotel and there was nowhere to park when he got home. So we had to park on the street. Mind you, I got there at 11 and the parking lots were empty.

So, OK. And I want to backtrack real quick for anybody who's being like, well, he wasn't into her or whatever. At no point in planning this weekend, this wasn't like, hey, I'm going to be down in Florida visiting friends, let's let's meet up. This was a weekend that he came down specifically to meet you, right? Yeah.

And even on, like Friday, like when he got here, I was just like, I can't believe you drove, like, because he couldn't make his flight because he had, like, something for work, he said. So he said he couldn't make his flight. So he was just going to drive. And I was like, I can't believe you drove. Like that's kind of far. He's like, there's nothing that would have stopped me from coming this weekend to meet you.

OK, great words. Actions didn't really back it up, but hey, no great line.

So he gets back. So he gets back home on Sunday. Right. And and you tell him what?

So he got back home on Sunday and I was just like, well, like, I'm glad you got home early, like gives you time to like, rest, unwind and stuff. And it was just like short conversation, nothing like too in-depth or anything. And then he was like, yeah. Like, I'm still sorry about the weekend. Like I know it didn't go as planned, like I should have had my intentions better and stuff like I should have been like more focused on meeting you and not in party mode and stuff like that.

And I kind of just was like, yeah, whatever.

And that was on Sunday night. And then Monday, which is the day before the premiere of the show. Did you talk to him on Monday?

Yeah. So Monday morning when I woke up, he texted me and he's like, hey, can you call me later when you get a chance? And I texted him back and I was like, For what? And he's like, just to discuss. And I so I said, I didn't answer. And then I ended up calling him and he was just like super apologetic for falling asleep and everything supposedly. And he was just like, I'm so sorry.

Like those were not my intentions. Like, I'm sorry the weekend didn't go the way we planned, like we had such a good connection and then it didn't go the way we planned and like just things like that and was just like, sorry. And I said, it is what it is like. We can just move forward and see if this goes somewhere or not from here.

OK, and when, you know, when you released the to talk, it was three one minute videos. And, you know, there's almost a sense of anxiety watching those just because we know Tick Tock is on a timer and you posted a lot. You tried to squeeze a lot in. And, you know, you're you're not alone. Are you talking? But you're posting screenshots of all your text messages with him, which we can include or not in my column today, if you want if you want to do that as well.

So people can actually see it rather than going to the tech talk and having to pause the screen and whatnot.

But you had no problem outing the text messages because I think you needed to at this point.

If you're going to accuse him of what he did, you pretty much have to show receipts and you had no problem doing that. So I don't think you would have a problem. Well, I already have them. So if you do you think it's OK, I can post. All right. So OK. So Monday, when was the Snapchat incident? Was it on Monday or was it the Tuesday, the night of the premiere?

No. So it was it was Monday. We were stopped chatting all day. Everything seemed fine. And then Monday night we were just not chatting, like talking about how things could have gone better and our expectations. And then I got a video and he talks like on Snapchat and videos. So I just thought it was him doing just that. And then I couldn't really hear it because he was like kind of talking low and I didn't have my volume all the way up.

And then, like, I see him talking and then all of a sudden I see, like, his penis. And I was like, what the fuck? Like, is he really just being disgusting like that, like right now? And then I replayed it because I was like like so I turn my volume all the way up. And then I heard what he said and then I instantly knew it was not for me and he sent it to the wrong person.

So by the time I replayed it and exit out of the Snapchat, I went to message him and I was like, that obviously wasn't for me. And I was like, wrong girl. And I was unfriended.

And as you said on the ticktock, this was a video that in the middle of a conversation where it was I'll ask you. I know the answer, but the conversation, was it sexual in nature when you guys were having that Snapchat and then you received a video right in the middle of that Snapchat conversation? No, it was not sexual at all. OK, so then all of a sudden in the middle of a regular conversation, a video pops up and you say it's him and it's and this is a video that's clearly him.

Like you can see his face, you could see was dazed.

And then he went down to his whole body, OK?

And it was a video of him jerking off. Yeah. And what did the video say? Well, it's on your text messages, right?

Yeah, it's in the text messages. I quote in it.

Yeah, that's right. It's a video of him doing that and basically talking dirty to the person who is supposed to be the recipient of this video. And you can read it on the text messages and in the post today. And so, right when you open the video, you immediately respond back to him like, what the fuck was that? And he's already like, at no point during your whole relationship have you been unfriended on by him on Snapchat, but seconds after he sent you a video of himself jerking off.

You are unprecedented. Yeah. OK, so then you can't contact him on Snapchat, you text him, what do you say? So I texted him and I was just like, you're really going to block me, and then my text didn't go through something like that, this man really just blocked my number after that, like, really. So I tried to call him and I went straight to voicemail. So I'm assuming he just turned his phone off.

So right then and there, I just went to Instagram and I just blocked him on Instagram. And then I went to my Snapchat and blocked him on Snapchat. So it's not so we can't try and add me back. And then he ended up texting me a few minutes later and he said, I don't know what you're talking about.

When you said, what was that video you just sent me? Yeah, he said that Snapchat had signed him out and that's why it unfriended me.

Yeah.

It's all my years of having Snapchat and Snapchat has come out. I've logged out. Ben signed out and never lost a friend on Snapchat.

Yeah. Yeah. So he's playing dumb and you confront him and it's in the text messages that people can read. You basically said you just sent me a video essentially of you jerking off saying this. What was that? And his answer was. I don't know what you're talking about. OK, so you must have amnesia. Yeah, that is it's got short term memory loss. Apparently so. All right. That was on that Monday night before the premiere.

I'm assuming that's the night like right after that text conversation, I guess, came to an end. Like, how did that text conversation end?

So then I basically just said, like. Apparently, this is not what I thought it was like, I thought this was something way more than what you thought it was. And we're on two different pages and our FaceTime calls and conversations were all just a fucking joke. And he just left me on red. What's what's that what's what's the the kids version I call you kid, but like I have a 16 year old niece that talks about that when someone leaves you on red, what's it called, Aurora or Loara?

I have no idea.

OK. So she she does she complains to me sometimes when her friends leave her and she's like, oh my God, they elad me or something like what left on red. I'm like, oh, sorry.

Anyway, so maybe it's not Elora. It's something I can probably find out. OK, so so and that's I'm assuming after that conversation or that last text to him, when you're like this is obviously not what I thought it was. I'm assuming that's the night that you sent out the video or the to talk.

So this was at like. Like 12 a.m., so I ended up like just going to sleep because I was just, like, upset and pissed off and I was like, I'm just going to bed like, whatever. So then I woke up that morning.

My daughter ended up waking up at six a.m. and I ended up calling my best friend and waking her up. I'm like, you need to listen to this, like what happened? And I told her. And she's like, oh, my God, that's crazy. And I was like, I'm just so mad and all of that. And then I was like, I'm I'm just going to make a talk, like venting. And she's like, OK, so then it ended up making the ticktock and posting it like Tuesday morning.

And then I posted my story like just like like if you want to watch, like some t like go look at my ticktock.

Yeah. And then that was on Tuesday, the day of the premiere and basically in your tick for those that haven't seen it, even though along include the O include those today as well. You're doing the game on tick that people do where where you say essentially take a finger down if and you just it's usually take a finger down if you've had alcohol before, you've drank alcohol or you've taken a shot of something and then you're like, OK, you know, take a finger down.

And then it's the same thing. Take your finger down if you've ever had sex in a park. And it's like a game of if you know, I never have.

I never have. I seen fingers. Yeah, it's the same thing, but except with fingers.

So but, you know, I mean, I think a lot of people didn't even get what you were doing. The people that aren't familiar with that tick tock game because they're like, why does she have her hand up the whole time she's talking? And so people told me I did the game wrong.

But that's not the point. Yeah, exactly. Isn't about the game. It wasn't about the game. But you basically said the whole ticktock, the whole minute tick tock was you explaining it in a paraphrasing, take a finger down. If you were talking to a guy who came to see you and you find out that he's the villain on The Bachelorette and he sends you a Snapchat video of him jerking off, but that was meant for another woman and not you.

And and that's how this whole thing started. But it didn't take off until the next week. Somehow somebody got a hold of it and it went viral. And you have over a million views now, right?

Yeah. Kind of funny how it happened, especially since it took a week for it to kind of take off.

And so last week is when it took off like Wednesday or Thursday, whatever day we started talking and.

At that point. Well, since from the time that Monday night where you had that last conversation with him or last text with him until the thing went viral on the following Wednesday or Thursday, what happened was there was there any truth and reconciliation here? Was was he trying to get back with you to the apologizer to admit to the video? Where where were you at with him?

So he actually viewed my story about the ticktock on Instagram, on his dogs account. And then as soon as I saw that he viewed it on the dog's account, he ended up calling me and he had called me. And we talked like he said he was calling to apologize. But what he was apologizing for was not because what I was mad about, he was colorizing for falling asleep once again. And I told him, like, that's not the problem.

The problem was the video you sent me last night. Like, I'm just confused how you told me you weren't talking to anyone. But then. Like seventy two hours after we're not together and we have a bad weekend, you're sending videos and stuff. And he said, well, after the weekend I thought we were like done. So I just, like, started talking to someone else. And I was like, you literally called me Monday morning to talk and was saying, you're so sorry and all this stuff.

And we agreed that we were going to move on and just continue talking. So I'm confused on how you thought we were done. And that's when you found a girl within five hours to jerk off to. Yeah. And he just like kind of ignored that. And when I asked him, like, oh, do you send all these videos, like of Zora to everyone, like, he kind of just ignored that and he was just. Like, not answering anything, and I was like, OK, well, if you're not going to give me the answers I need that I don't want to talk like you're calling me because you saw my tick tock.

I know you saw it. And you just want to backtrack now because you don't want people to see that. He's like, no, it's not because the tick tock, it's because I just wanted to say sorry. And I was like, OK, whatever.

And I just hung up, OK?

And then since then and then the video went viral and then I still didn't hear from him. But then I ended up hearing from like a ton of different girls with all different crazy stories. And I was like, OK, well, apparently this is like a trend. Like it's like he does this to all different women. And then I saw in the premiere that he got called out for messaging other girls on Instagram. So I was like, OK, like, this is just what he does.

And let's and let's be clear, the whole incident in Episode one where Tyler C called him out and said, hey, Claire, I was told about Yoseph messaging girls before we came on here. This had nothing to do with you. You didn't even start till September. This is all back in July before Yossef. So you're not the girl that Tyler C was referring to an episode Y?

Just to be clear, I'm not that girl.

Yeah, you're one of apparently many because I've gotten the messages. You've gotten the messages ever since this went viral. A lot of women have reached out to you recently. Um. Well, before we get to the most the most recent event from this past weekend, what happened with him when your thing went viral, he knew that you were getting a lot of attention. I was tweeting about it. Plenty of other people were sending it around. He knew that more people were being made aware of what he did based on your tick tock.

So what did he say to you?

So then that this weekend he ended up like texting me a scripted apology, talking about that he's so sorry and that he just didn't feel like there was a romantic connection and that he should have communicated that better. But he never apologized for the video. He still hasn't acknowledged in two weeks that he sent the video, right?

Yeah, he is. He has not acknowledged the video. He said he would answer any questions, but still hasn't answered any of the questions that I asked and. Like, he's just not actually sorry or actually care, he just doesn't want the publicity that he's getting.

So what is his when you ask him specifically, do you send me a video of you jerking off? It clearly wasn't for me.

What is his answer to this? So I asked him, he said that he wanted to discuss the video and then I said, what's there to discuss? The video wasn't for me. And then he said, I'm talking about the TED talks.

So he just totally ignored me talking about the video. OK, so when you did talk, did you talk to him about the talks or know whether whether through text or on the phone?

No, I just acknowledge I said you didn't want to talk about the TTIP talks when they had no views and you first saw it. So there's nothing to talk about now and then he just said and I told them that all of these women have reached out like, I know who you are and it's not who you said you were and you just played me. And he said that he didn't see the video until it had views and that he only saw it yesterday and that's why he was reaching out.

And that's a complete lie because he followed me on Ticktock. So how did you not see it?

And then you called me after I said it, and I acknowledge I posted the ticktock and you straight up said you didn't call me because of the tick tock. So you saw the tick tock.

Yeah. And he's like you said, he looked at your story on Instagram through his dogs account, which he has since deleted. Yeah, so he was giving my story from his dogs account until. I posted like the second video, then that's when he had deleted, I guess, the dog's account.

Yeah, because you did a second video and then you did a third video, which is basically all the stuff that we've covered in this podcast. The things that you didn't cover on the ticktock, at least I don't I haven't looked at your tick talk. Have you updated? If you have just the latest update or know, the last was the last one. The one in the lake, the.

Yes, that was my last one. I haven't posted another one. OK, you won't need to because people enough people will hear this and and get the gist.

So tell everyone what happened this past weekend.

So this past weekend. Well, last night I had got a D.M. from a girl saying that he was hanging out with one of her friends and she had told me take talks. And she wanted her friend wants to reach out to me, but her friend doesn't want her name out there, out there in the media. And I said, that's fine. Like all the girls that I reached out to me, like, I'm not, like putting their names out there or anything, like whatever they tell me, like.

And it just it's just knowledge for you just I mean, it just happens to me a lot for me and for me to share, but it's not with their name on it.

Yeah, they it happens to me a lot where people want to share information, but they don't want their name attached to it because then they don't want to deal with the backlash. That's why I do appreciate what you've done on the tick tock. It was not only was it funny, but it was informative. And you didn't shy away from the fact that, look, I'll provide receipts. This isn't I'm not making this up. I'm not trying to like.

I guess I can ask you, why did you do it? Yeah, why did you do it?

Honestly, I just did it because I was so mad. Like I didn't I never thought it was going to be where it is now. Like, I just thought it was going to stay at the couple of thousand views it had and just be that like and that's why I did it, because I was just like, whatever like no one's going to see it. I'll not be mad anymore. And then. He'll realize, like, OK, well, my stuff is out there like she did post it, so like maybe maybe I should check what I'm doing and really, like, re-evaluate if what I'm doing is right.

Yeah, I mean, you didn't do anything wrong. You have every right to call him out if you're going to provide receipts. If you would have just told that story on Tick Tock and not shown your text messages with him behind it, I think people not saying that it wouldn't have been true, but way more people would have doubted you. I mean, that's just the way it works in twenty twenty. It's just you can't just blame somebody and not provide receipts.

And you provided every receipt possible outside of the video of him.

But he did it on Snapchat. And as we know, Snapchat videos disappear. And you did not save it, correct?

Yeah, I did not save that.

And even if you did, it's not like you were going to share that, because technically, I think that's illegal. It's illegal. I mean, it's it's revenge porn.

And you can't do that, at least in certain states. I don't know what Florida's revenge porn laws are, but most states you can't you can't do that anymore. I don't think it's illegal in all 50, but I think it's in most of them. So it's not like you're going to post that anyway. You're going to share it anyway. But you shared everything else that you could to prove, hey, look, I'm not making this up.

I'm not just out to get a guy who scorned me. It was just this is but you also, like you said, did not think it would blow up to what it did. So this past weekend, the girl contacts you who says her friend was hanging out with him this past weekend. And this was he was where this past week in Arizona or Mexico or where was he?

He was in California. I was in California.

Oh, yeah. I think I said Arizona in my column today. Oops. It was California. It's on his Instagram, which is public so everyone can see it. He wasn't shy about where he was this weekend or who he was hanging out with. So we're assuming that one of those girls is the one that he was. Hooking up with I guess I don't we don't actually I don't want to, you know, I don't want to use that because we don't know.

But you don't know what their relationship like was.

All I do know is that he was trying to pursue her, too, and that. He messaged her while he was messaging me, telling her, oh, you're my future wife, just the same things he was telling me. And then he ended up booking this trip that he just went on out there on October 4th and which is that that was at the same time we are talking because he didn't come and see me until October 9th. Yeah.

So he had booked a trip to California to see this girl. Knowing he had a trip with you for five days later on the night and he booked a trip on the 4th, which you found out through her friend, did you ever get in contact with the girl herself?

No. So the girl actually told me that she actually did end up messaging me. And she told me that he was the one that booked the trip on the 4th.

The girl that he actually went and saw. Yeah. And that was the book.

The trip that he booked on October 4th was the trip he just took this past weekend. Yeah. And did this girl say. She didn't say what the nature of their relationship was. No, she really didn't say like I she kind of made it seem like he was pursuing her and he was trying to talk to her by just the screenshot you sent me of the messages that he would send her on Instagram and stuff. But she didn't say anything about the relationship this weekend, OK?

And so he also did mention something to her about you, correct?

Yeah, so I guess she had bought up the tick tock because she had solid and. He was like just obsessing over the tick tock all weekend and just checking my followers hit like on tick tock, checking my followers on Instagram to see if they went up and then just talking about me, talking about the video and just like going crazy over it. So she had actually told him, like, well, why don't you reach out to her, like, just to calm your mind a little bit and then maybe you can just relax and have a good time.

And then that is when I gotten the text from him that I talked about before, which was the just the standard apology text.

Yeah. Like saying that we can discuss the video and all of that. But then when I said there's nothing to discuss about the video, it wasn't for me. He said, no, I'm talking about the tech talks, OK?

And that that was sent when that was like this past week. Right.

Yeah, I think it was on Thursday. Yeah, it was on Thursday.

Yeah. I'd have to look back through our text exchange and because you sent me those. That's right, yeah.

So where are you at with everything now. With him. That's I'm assuming that's the last you had of him.

Yeah. So honestly I didn't even respond back to the last texts talking about he just wanted to reach out because his intentions weren't to hurt me and all of that because you didn't have good intentions going into it. You know, you didn't have good intentions. You're never going to admit to not having good intentions and you're just going to try and spin everything to make you look innocent and to make you look like you're a good person, but you're not.

Yeah, and I think that the thing is, he's also in a position where. He's lucky that the women that he came forward to you, the women that have contacted me, he's lucky that they're saying, look, I don't want to be a part of this story, but everything that you're hearing about him is true because he did the same thing to me. And here's what he did. He sent these texts. He did this. He sent me videos of Laura like it is unreal.

Azara, sorry, not Laura.

Zarah, his daughter.

It is unreal to hear the same exact story. Like he's got this thing down to a science almost. I mean, I've had someone who has been with him and, you know, someone just tell me, like, not surprised Steve, like, this is what he does.

And yeah, unfortunately, you were a victim in this. And like I told you before, when you first did, you know, you didn't do anything wrong by posting this. You probably didn't, like you said, didn't realize it was going to be as big as it was. Just thought all your friends were going to, you know, look at it on ticktock and giggle about it and be like, holy shit, that guy on The Bachelor, you know, you hung out with him and oh, my God, that sucks.

But yeah, it turned into what it did. I mean, I'm sorry it happened to you. And I hope that this guy never contacts you again. I hope he leaves you alone. And if he does, I hope you don't respond to him. Sounds like you didn't the last time he responded to you. And, you know, maybe more women will come forward, maybe more women will just say like this, this is what he did wasn't acceptable.

And I think at this point. He's being dragged enough, so on social media that maybe he learned a lesson, but I don't know, doesn't seem like it would get through to this guy because I don't think he learned anything.

Like, did you did you ever get the sense that. Like, I don't know how how deep did he ever get with you in terms of his I don't know his daughter, the relationship with his ex-wife, why the divorce happened, any of that stuff like so he he said straight out the get go like that.

Him and his ex-wife, they got married young and that. He made a mistake and cheated on her, he didn't tell me when he cheated on her, he didn't tell me any of that. Like he kind of just made it seem like he cheated on her, like after they had their daughter and that. Like he decided, like he doesn't actually want to be with her, but then talking to the one girl that had reached out to me, she is from the same town, is that that he is and she is knows his ex-wife.

She knows him. And she said that like he cheated on her when she was pregnant, right after she had the baby, like it wasn't a one time mistake thing and that he was having an affair. Yeah. Like he was having an affair with another woman and then decided that he was going to leave his, like, ex-wife right after she had had their daughter, you know. Which is why what we watched on this week's episode is just so hypocritical and so lacking any self-awareness to go off on Claire when you are a much shittier individual than Claire could ever be, you know, sorry, dude, you've been exposed.

And I think that if you know, when I was told about when he was first released as a contestant back in March and I was told about this and told about the ex-wife and what really happened, I was like, I wonder if the ex-wife is going to talk. I wonder if she's going to say something or, you know, I didn't I never went to the ex-wife. I never contacted her. I don't think I'm maybe you know what?

Maybe I did send an Instagram D.M. but I never heard from her.

And I was like, OK, well, that's fine. I'm not going to because now my situation is, look, I need to see what happens to these guys on the show.

He might be irrelevant. It might not even be important.

But I did see the ex-wife has recently gotten remarried, so I didn't think that she was going to be open to trashing her daughter's father.

But, yeah, I know that she is remarried and that she is expecting a baby. So I think that, like, yeah, she has no reason to get involved in this. Yeah. And like, she has dealt with so much like from him, I think this is the last thing that she wants to deal with. And I honestly just feel so bad because she has to carry like his weight and then her weight and then she's going to have to explain all of this to her daughter one day.

And I he does not understand that.

Well, the other thing is the fact that he's I mean, I don't know if you want to give him, I don't know, some sort of points for honesty with you about it.

But let's face it, you were a girl.

He just met in September and started talking to it.

September, this is I get that when you start a new relationship, you kind of want to be open and you kind of want to tell people things. But to openly admit that to you and to this other girl, that means we know that he has no problem telling the world. And trust me, when I found out about him back in March, I heard that story from like five different people like Steve.

Everybody knows Yossef and the X, Y and everybody. But a lot of people are well aware of Yossef and the ex-wife and why they got divorced. And I was like, OK, well, it seems to be a common story.

So people knew. And then to hear you say it, to hear this other girl that he just, you know, booked a trip for on October 4th to go see, he's telling her the exact same thing.

It's like, where's this guy's tact?

I think every girl that has reached out to me has told me, ask me if I knew the story. Yeah. And told me the story. So it's definitely one of the things he says. And I think that maybe his mindset is, oh, well, if I tell them this from the get go, they'll think like, oh, wow. Like, he really did grow up. And he really is like trying to move on and be honest and open with you.

But yeah, really not. You tell that story to everyone.

Yeah. He tells the story to everybody and he uses it almost as a trap, like you said. Oh, look at me. I've matured. Yeah. That was me back in the day. And I think the line he uses a lot, we got we got married young and it just wasn't smart. But yeah, you can get married young. Doesn't mean you have to cheat so and have or not have an affair. So, you know, it's whatever I think it's just we clearly see his game now because of you and because of your tech talk that went viral that you didn't expect.

I appreciate you sharing your story and I appreciate you providing all the stuff that we needed to provide for this particular podcast. And, you know, it's more than the three minutes that you provided on tech talk for sure, is almost an hour conversation because I wanted to lay it out there and tell everybody this is how it started.

This was the weekend together. This is what he did.

This these were his actions, you know, I mean, clearly he.

Well, let me ask you this one final thing in regards to your time spent with him that Friday night and then Saturday at the beach before he passed out in the chair for five hours, what do you think that there's some sort of alcohol problem here?

Like like did he I mean, I was going to see a girl for a weekend for the first time.

I don't think I would be apparently as drunk as he was all weekend where you're falling asleep in chairs at eleven o'clock.

So honestly, he openly admitted that he does have a drinking thing and he needs to work on it to me and to multiple other girls. So I think that do I think he has a drinking problem coming from a father that was an alcoholic? Yes, I do think he has a drinking problem. One hundred percent. And I told him Friday night that the drinking he was. Doing made me uncomfortable because of my past, and he really just didn't care and didn't grasp it.

And same for the people that contacted me as well. That said, he you know, he does drink a lot. And it's it it became an issue.

And I'm pretty sure it's apparent because I'm pretty sure every Instagram story that he has posted and that people have sent me, he's drinking.

Yeah. Again, I appreciate you coming on and kind of laying out the whole story for us. And just kind of unfortunate that you had to go through it and unfortunate that you had to, you know, get involved with him. It's not your fault. And he just seems to. Enjoy disposing of women after a short term, because it's kind of exactly what I did, you and I also want to make one thing perfectly clear here.

While he told you, oh, sorry, I fell asleep in the chair and didn't call you till three or four o'clock in the morning, you and I are both convinced that, look, we don't have any proof, but we think he was out with another woman.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Especially because when he was down here, like he was following, like a bunch of girls from Florida on Instagram. And I was like, why are you following girls? Like, do you even know them? Oh, no.

They just followed me back and I'm just following them, like, because they followed me and I was like, OK, yeah, he's he's basking in the fact that he's Yoza from The Bachelorette, even though he got a horrible at it and he looks like a jackass. After Tuesday night's episode, there's still plenty of women. All you got to do is look on the comments on his latest pictures. While there's a ton of negativity on there, there's a ton of people that think he did Claire.

Right. And he had every right to scream at her and embarrass a woman and make her cry and shake on national television. So he's going to get people sliding into his DMS and he's going to use it to his advantage and probably start getting with other women and doing the same with the world again. Yeah, and running the same game that he ran on you. Unfortunately, it's sad. And again, I appreciate you coming on and sharing this, and I'm sorry it happened to you.

But again, Carly, thank you so much for coming on. And obviously, you and I will be in touch in case anything does happen down the road or you hear from him or whatever doubt you will, but you never know. But we will keep in touch with any other stories and any other women that come forward to you about him as well.

So I appreciate it. And if you want to see Carly's text messages and to back up everything she said in this podcast, it'll be on my website today at Reality. Steve, dot com. So, Carly, thank you so much for coming on.

And thank you for having me and just putting your name and my story and backing me. That honestly just meant so much to me. You're welcome.

I appreciate it. And you are I know you didn't expect it to blow up and this wasn't some sort of oh, I can't wait to, you know, put him on blast. I mean, yeah, you did. But it was it was, like you said, a couple of thousand views. It just somehow someone got a hold of this and then it spread like wildfire. Because I remember on that day, whatever it was Wednesday or Thursday of last week, I had literally within a ten minute span, probably six or seven people send me the same video and said, did you see this?

And that's and right immediately I mean, immediately I message I found you on Instagram and message there. So, yeah, here we are again. Thanks a lot. And we will be in touch. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Charlie. Well thank you to Charlie for that. It just sucks. You know, one thing I don't think I didn't get into with her.

Clearly she doesn't care about his age. He was thirty. But I look, an eight year age difference is not that big of a deal at all. Age is just a no. However, Joseph is a 30 year old man with a four year old daughter. And I don't know, I find it a little weird that he went after a 22 year old single mother who lived in Tampa, Florida, there's just something about this whole story that is just creepy.

And by watching him on Tuesday night and hearing all the stories I've heard about him, not since July when he was since March. But I didn't say anything in March because when the show got shut down, we never we had no idea that The Bachelorette was even going to be a show to once we did find out it was going to be a show, we had no idea if Joseph was going to be on and be brought back, because during that time I was hearing, you know, he was messaging a bunch of girls.

He was talking to a bunch of girls.

And I was just hearing that, oh, he's probably not going to do it because he wants to get with so and so and so and so and and then I saw that he was on the couch so much. He's OK. This is not going to be good for him. But again, I wasn't going to say anything.

This all came about because Carlie posted her talks. So go take a look at it on reality. Dotcom, I don't include a lot of text messages between Carlie and Joseph that she has given me because I wasn't going to put her on until I got proof that this actually happened and took place. She's also sent me stuff that proves about the hotel visit, stuff like that. So, yeah, this is completely legit story and it just sucks. And I wish this guy would act a little more mature for a 30 year old father, especially when he's calling out other women on national TV and making them cry.

It's just it's about as hypocritical as you can get. And he looks like a giant jackass. Thank you to Carly for coming on. Thank you all for listening. I really appreciate it. We'll be back next week. This week was supposed to be Tara Ariano and Sarah Bunting from the again with this podcast. I'm going to push it back another week. They're going to be on next week. I've already recorded it, recorded it last week, actually.

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