You are listening to the Reality Steve podcast with your host Reality Steve. He's got all the latest info. And behind the scenes juice on Katie's upcoming season of The Bachelorette and interviewing some of your favorite reality stars. Now, here's a reality, Steve. What's up, everybody, welcome to podcast number two. Twenty seven. I mean, host reality, Steve. Thank you all for tuning in. And another Temptation Island centric podcast for you this week. We've got the two women that are probably the most talked about to women.

Of the singles on Temptation Island this season, the two women who were in the threesome with Kendall, that with Nicole CISAC. And Alexis Ohman and you will hear from them momentarily. It's a good one. So before we get started, not a whole lot going on, bachelor nation, not a ton to go over, so we'll just get right to it with these girls. All I can say as of right now is filming started on Monday night at the Grand Tamaya in I keep seeing Grand the Hyatt Tamaya.

In right outside of Albuquerque, New Mexico, and obviously it's very early, not a lot to report at this point, just off of things that have been told to me. And I know that's out there on social media in terms of some of the guys, the thirty four men, if you did not see who the possible thirty four men for Katie season are there on my Instagram highlight's and they're also on my Twitter feed from Thursday. I know that Tanner did not make the final cut.

So he is not part of Katie's cast. I know a lot of people were really interested in Beau, but people are saying that Beau has responded to people. I haven't seen it, but I guess he has emailed people. Kind of shocked that guy didn't make the cut, but we just don't know, but Tanner definitely didn't make it and I don't know who got eliminated the first night. It's, you know, this we've got a month and a half.

I know you guys want answers. Four seconds after it happens, we get this every season. And I tell you the same thing every season. You'll get your spoilers as I get them. You know, I just don't know everything right after it happens. It takes a little bit of time. So bear with me on that and we'll just get started right now with podcast number two 27. OK, let's bring her in, she is one of the singles this season on Temptation Island every Tuesday night on the USA network at 10:00, 9:00 Central.

Her name is Nicole CISAC. Nicole, how are you? Hello, reality. I agree. How are you? I am very well, and we've got a lot to discuss with you.

Your your are you and Alexis today are going to be the first singles I've had on the podcast.

But needless to say, I would if I were to if I were to pull the viewers of Temptation Island this season and ask. Who are the probably the most polarizing female singles this season? I'd say it's you for some the year.

So before we get into all that, before we dove into everything that's happened this season so far through six episodes, how did you come about getting on this show?

Had you watched previous seasons and applied or did they reach out to you? They found you on Instagram. How did it happen for you to get on Temptation Island season three?

So basically, basically, I had actually the weirdest manifestation story about Temptation Island. I have a best friend that lives on Maui and I always visit her. And one night she was like, you know what, I want you to binge watch this show. And I've been doing shows here and there. So I've always, you know, I feel like I'm an outsider with love. I can't find it in the real world. So let's not do it on reality TV, right?

Yeah. So my friend was like, you know, this show is crazy. It's totally fit. Survive, you know, let's watch it. We've been season one. We've been to it. I was like, damn, this is this is a great show. It's a real, real show. And a couple of months later, I was on my backstage account and I saw Temptation Island Season three casting. And I was like, oh my gosh, I texted.

I was like, should I do it? And she's like, do it.

And, you know, now here we are. And it's just a crazy story because I watched it and I didn't really think it would happen. And then a year later I'm on it and now I'm watching myself on it. It's just life works in the weirdest ways. But I'm so thankful that it happened because it changed my life totally.

When you say other shows, one of the shows have you done or been on?

I did. I did the show on Kibbie. It was called Singled Out and I did actually a by yeah, I did a bisexual show. So I was the main dater and I had girls and guys behind me and it was basically a bunch of games and I ended up picking someone out there this, that. But and then I've done like other TV little shows in there, but I haven't gotten the big break, that big MTV or that big USA show.

And I was the only one that I saw in that. I was really rocking with with all the producers, casting agents and everything. It was awesome, great production company, everything.

So when you were accepted to go on this show and you knew you were going to be one of the singles and having watched the first two seasons, did you have any sort of game plan going in? Were you just like, I want to go out to Maui, I want to have fun, I'm going to do whatever I'm going to do, you know, because you you come across as a very type A personality. So it's this probably wasn't like you don't seem very shy whatsoever.

So this is where it was like where you were. You just like, I just want to go and have fun. Or were you were you legitimately set out on the show to be like, I would actually like to meet someone which happened to be someone would be the person you would meet would be in a relationship, but. Right, right.

No, totally. I went on it with my heart laying on my sleeve like I love falling in love. And like I said before, I want to be able to go on a show and find love. I've seen it everywhere on The Bachelor. I've grown up watching reality TV. Well, my parents are from Poland. They didn't really have that luxury and watching on reality TV. So growing up, my mom was always into that because they're foreigners, they don't really get that whole American lifestyle.

And I just I love seeing that on TV. And I was like, what if one day I could be that person? And literally my whole life I've always it's funny because of my hometown friends say, like Nicole, you were always going to be on TV or he's going to find love some way or another, because like I said to I'm an outcast or when it comes to love, you know, I want to find it. And, you know, we'll see what happens at the end of the season.

But things are rolling.

So you have you grew up in New Jersey. Were you born in the States or you came over?

Yes, certainly. Yes. No, I both of my parents came here. They met here. And then I'm actually first born in America to my both sides. So all of my cousins and my grandparents and my aunts and uncles are still in Poland. And it's really just the main core family here. And it's I've been the one to go through the entire American education system by myself. I had to figure out student loans to figure out college. I had to figure out reality TV.

So it's been it's been a really, really long road.

But, you know, everything I have and the reason I'm super blessed, if I'm not mistaken, when I looked on your Instagram page, it said you if you went to University of Arizona. Yes, yes, so I went so I was I bounced around a lot with schools, I was a dancer my whole life. So in high school I went to a performing arts school for dance and theater and then for college I of I just didn't want to stay in New Jersey anymore.

It's very hometown. If you don't leave, then you'll never leave. Yeah. So I it's crazy because everyone's always like. So what made you choose Arizona? And I'll be completely honest, won the dance program is, you know, top five in the United States and two I watch and I'm smacked video where everyone was partying, everyone had their tops off and everyone was drinking. And of course, that's all me.

Yeah. I mean, Arizona State is known as the party school in Arizona, but I know you have you have a definitely can get down as well. When so when you when you got to the island and you guys first did your introductions as singles, which of the men caught your eye first of the four guys.

Well, so when I did my first liner right away, Corey was the one that got me. I saw his eyes, his blue eyes. And I was like, that's my butt. I'm going for it. As soon as next year comes around, I'm pushing all the girls. I'm going to go for him. But also, I'm not a very I don't really look at looks. That's just I'm go off of energy. So when I really started to get to know the guys at the mixer, I saw that Corey and I had a lot of similarities.

He also went to school in Arizona. He also is Polish. He works in the nightlife. I love nightlife. So when I got to talk to him a little bit more, that's why I got so hooked on him. Yeah. As we all thought.

Well, you had the first date with Corey and it went well. You obviously were really into him. And then when the second dates came around. I forget who he asked, but it wasn't you and you were not happy that he had asked somebody. It was Amanda, right? Was a it was second date. Yes. And so so we see the scene of you in the back and he comes out to talk to you.

Were you. To me, it's as a viewer, it seemed like the alcohol was talking like it seemed like you were pretty drunk. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Tequila. Tequila is definitely coming out of my mouth because you were I mean, you were like, oh, my God.

You mean you were pretty broken up about a guy you've been on one date with. So I had assumed it was more alcohol induced. Right.

Yeah. All day we were drinking, we were at the pool. But I think also what hurt me the most and I don't think it really was presented this way was that he I didn't know that second dates were picked. And I felt I just felt blindsided by him. I thought we had a great connection. I thought we had great conversations. And then you go secretly to tell Amanda and I find out from one of the girls when we were in the bathroom or something, you know, it was something it just was a little slap in my face.

I'm such an honest person.

If I don't feel you if I don't like you, I'm going to tell you right away. That's me. I just don't like people that beat around the bush. And I think that's one of the main issues with Erin and him, is that they like she wants him to be the dominant person and to say all these things and he doesn't. So as soon as I saw that side of him, too, I started to walk away because I want someone that wants me.

I don't want someone that's going to just sit there in their head all the time.

Gotcha. OK, so once you moved on from Corey, how did the Kendall thing start? Because as viewers, it seemed like it started out of, you know, nowhere. But I will say last night after the show, I watched Mark Wahlberg do his live with Kendall. And Kendall was saying, yes, that there was a lot of stuff, a lot of good conversation that you had had with him that just hasn't been shown.

Obviously, we get one hour a week, which is actually forty minutes yet, and there's clearly hours and hours of footage.

So can you explain to.

Yeah. Can you explain to the viewers.

And the listeners to the podcast, exactly how your Kendel relationship started and what it was about Kendall that made you attracted to him. Right, right, totally. So basically, after that whole Corey drama, simmer down, everyone was OK in the house and you know, I kind of sat there and I was like, all right, so what's the next part of my journey? Right? What is the next thing I'm going to do? Because obviously, Corey's nice journey, I did.

And I wanted to continue to be as good as upfront and help.

And so I was like, all right, who do I start to talk to more? And actually, Kendall was there for me that night when I was really upset about Corey. So I that was the night I was first was like, OK, who cares about me? He's coming down and telling me not to be upset about it. Let's see how this goes. So after that, we had many conversations on the side. Him and I are very similar with business and personality type.

We're always on we're always go getters. You know, we're work ethic. We're very determined to get where we want to get because we know we can get there. So him and I, we just kept having these conversations. And then, of course, you know, the night parties, we all have fun. And there was one night where everyone's just talking about their secrets and stuff. And I told everyone I'm bisexual, I've been out since high school and it's very not new to me.

But of course, it's new to all my new fans and people that are in the business world. And Kendall was very intrigued by it. He thought that it was something new that he never heard of. So the nights where we could go get drunk, we would go in the confessional and all of us would I'd kiss all the girls and be like, oh, Kendall, do you want this time to play around? So it was Kendall and my relationship very flourished in a way with friendship and then on top of it, our conversations and then on top of fun.

So I think it was just a mix of a lot. And it sucks that no one can see all of that because it is you know, it's beautiful to watch like, relationships grow. But I definitely think it was a combination of a lot. And that's how things came about, the way they're coming about.

So you just talked about the fact that you were you've been out since high school, that you were bisexual. And obviously on the show you admitted you were bisexual as well. So I guess my two part question is, who were you more attracted to, Alexis or Kendall? And then the second part of that is. Who was who was the first one you were attracted to between the two of them? Well, of course, you know, I'm I came on this show to find love with a man, but then you have these 12 single hot ladies and then their stories behind them.

And, of course, you know, I started getting crushes here, there because we're also partying on top of the alcohol is blowing. Yeah, I could definitely tell you that it was definitely more geared towards Kendel. And then, of course, when Alexis started opening up and she showed me a side I've never seen before and she showed me that she trusted me. And I you know, you have to have trust with relationships like that, especially if they are not in the same boat as me, where I'm very open with my sexuality.

So I think definitely with Kendall in the beginning, more than when the whole threesome happened, I think I got feelings for both of them. Very strong, very ask because, you know, you'll see two like within the next you know, the last two episodes and the next couple of episodes. We're all together all the time. Any corner you look in the background, attorney Kendall and Alexis, we grew a great, great relationship. So whenever I get that question, very hard for me to answer because I just I really like both of them.

OK, so how did you approach it with Alexis in letting her know that you were into were you just throwing it out there hoping she'd reciprocate or did she just tell could you tell from her body language that she was into it? How did it how did it come about with you and Alexis, where you got to the point where you were comfortable enough to go in Kendall's first in this hot tub, in this back, and then obviously in the bed?

How did it come about that?

Right. So I think that was it was elimination night. And then after we had a Las Vegas theme that I apologize for. Hi, Kendall and Alexis already jokingly before that in the hot tub would always be like, oh, like what kind is going to join us tonight? And of course, everyone would always point at me laughing at me because I knew that I was about that.

So what was the question?

Again, I was, well, just about how it became and how it became known, how you and Alexis were could could hook up or she was into you that way. She obviously knew you were bisexual at some point. And then she what, you were flirting with her and she flirt back, right.

Yeah. So basically I think it was just a bunch of like flirting back and forth. And then when we got into that hot tub and we started playing all those games there, there she was very attached to my head. She was very comfortable, very cuddly. So I started acting on that, too. And then, of course, you know, when that dare of me kissing Alexis, I was a big oh, like I didn't think you could see in the clubs.

She was really pushing on me. I wasn't really pushing her. So that's when I really noticed like that. Maybe she is about it.

Should I try so and then throughout the night and it's all over. I mean, it's on television. She comes up to me and says, do you want to come up? And I say, yeah. And then right before we get in bed, I asked her, I'm like, Are you sure you want me to come into bed? Because it's not my place. You know, we all came here to find love. I don't want to ruin your journey just because we all want to have fun.

But she said, come on in and the rest is history.

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So the night the threesome happened, you guys wanted it to happen, right. Because it seemed like it was you and Alexis who were into each other and Kendall joined in. I granted it was his room and his bed. So seemingly he was going to join in. But you were you initially hoping it was just going to be you and Alexis with some time together hooking up, or did you know that, OK, we're just waiting until Kendall gets in the bed like this as well.

Right, right, right, right, right. Before he got into bed, Alexis and I were obviously doing what we were doing. And then, I mean, I think we all knew what was he was going to come in either or. Yeah. And we all we all joked. Round to you, because all the guys had these nice beds and we didn't go, we wanted to sleep somewhere nice and Alexi's, of course, got the sleep there all the time.

So I was like, we always had this joke and all this.

So I think we all were on the same page. I mean, at least I think we were. I think it's stupid. I mean, those all on TV, like, it's very, very I feel like it's like a game plan. Everything that happened is very like a DCB, you know. Yeah.

Well, you know, this may seem like a silly question, but a threesome, a threesome did happen, correct? This wasn't a situation where we just see the seats pulled up and they're making the audience think something happened. But then you all went to sleep and passed out or something. Like there was definitely a threesome that went on, right?

Yes. Yes. I'm not side with that. Anyone could say what they want, but I know my truth. And the thing was happening. We all had and I had a great time.

It was one of my favorite experiences out of my sex life.

So I don't know about them, but I'm you.

OK, so after that night, what was the dynamic like? Because Kanal went out on another date with Alexis this week and then I know we saw the condo this week as well of you telling them, hey, I'm here, you know I'm here. If you guys need me, we're we're a couple or whatever. But were there feelings developing there with Kendall where you were like, I wish I wish he'd take me out one time?

Yeah, yeah, that's you're hitting it right on, I was, of course, you know, Alexis and I's friendship was very strong from day one, but, you know, after that, I didn't really think maybe he would just bring me on one just to try it out. I was waiting patiently, but then I was like, oh, like, I don't know.

I don't want drama either. Of course, it's crazy that a Jersey girl saying that, but I didn't want to.

So and then I was I just didn't want it. I don't know. I feel like I, I maybe ruined my experience for doing that. But like I said, I feel like everything happens for a reason and things unfold the way they did.

Why why do you say you think you ruined your experience? Because you got involved that way in a threesome, that there was just no way that you were going to get asked out on a date solo? No, it's not that I think it was more of like the whole Corrie situation, me focusing and putting my entire energy within the first couple days, of course, you guys see it within an episode. Right. But the first five, six days I spent with Corrie, I was with him all the time, you know, went on a date with them, had like I was just constantly so I think, like, I was so focused on wanting Corrie to be with me and I didn't give any of the other men a chance.

And Kendall and I didn't get to flourish our relationship until the end. Where we start now, we're starting to talk. Like he said to Mark yesterday, there was a lot of conversation are not going to be probably shown. But, you know, that's when things started coming to life with Kendall and I's relationship. So I feel like that's just the one thing that fits in my head where I'm like, damn, if I would have just opened my heart out to all of them and played and seen everyone survives, maybe things would have changed dramatically, honestly.

And I don't expect you to badmouth any of the other two guys, which would be Tom or Julian. But as far as I know, I don't think we've ever even seen you speak to either of them. I'm sure you did. What were your thoughts on Tom and Julian? Tom is actually one of my best friends. I love the kid, he is in areas like me, so we are very dynamically energized the same. So him and I get along great.

Julian is another great friend of mine. I really had some awesome conversations about him. I feel like my relationship with those two were more friendship, and especially after this and everything.

We just really I feel like we've become a family, all of us. So I have nothing bad to say about them too. And I, I think almost all the time when I'm in L.A., so.

OK, what was the vibe like or. With the other women, was there any butting heads because obviously you women are all competing for, you know, 12 women potentially competing for four, four guys. Was there any drama? We haven't seen any drama between the women, but was there any behind the scenes? Were was there any headbutting happening or you took my man or I want to chance anything.

It's actually really funny because of how things unfold. Amanda is one of my best friends right now. That girl has my heart by her. And I honestly, in the beginning, I will tell you her and I really didn't like it because because of the Corrie stuff.

Because of Corrie stuff. Yeah, I was yeah. I was pissed that she she's just going to laugh because her and I laughed so hard about it now because it's it's comical to us. Again, like you said, it's we're all competing for four guys in the game four. We're competing. This is like, you know, so hard. And I just of course and you know, she's beautiful too. So I'm like, damn, I always was thinking to myself, what's wrong with me?

While I know there's nothing wrong with me, we're just, you know, doing a show. But otherwise, I didn't you know, I really didn't want to go on Temptation Island with thinking I'm going to get into drama with anyone. And my mom was begging me. She's like, Nicole, do not be the stereotypical Jersey girl.

So I always even when I got drunk, I knew not to get into any fights. But I think like like I said earlier, to win this season, I think is one of the most diverse seasons ever. And that's what made us all become a family. And I think that's why no one has bad blood. I mean, there is something happening next week that they posted a preview on Instagram today. So you see a little insight of something that is going to happen.

But stay tuned for that.

The ABBA clip about eliminations next week. That one. Yes. Yes, my. Yep, myself. Yeah, she says my says something about something going on in the house and it all unfold, but otherwise. Yeah, nothing really crazy happened.

So. So now I want to ask you just about because the biggest topic this season so far, because from what we have seen, the only quote unquote cheating that has been done has been Kendel with Alexis of with you. No one else has hooked up to this point up through six episodes. I think last night we started to see, you know, it's like, you know, Sophia and Tom want to Chelsea and Blake want to and it's Chelsea even said last night it's it's a matter of when, not if anymore, that it happens.

Right, Blake? So it looks like we're going to be getting that in the future episodes. But up to this point, Kendall is the most talked about person on the show and America basically hates the guy.

So I need you now to one. I want you to talk. I want you to give a reason why America shouldn't hate Kendall.

And number two, I want you to basically take the perspective of if you were Erika, how would you be reacting to what Kendall is doing?

OK, so how do I so I it's so hard with reality television, like we were discussing before, there is so much that people don't see.

So all these cuts and what you guys see of Kendel is done so that it could be shown in the way that people are reacting. Right. So, yes, he yes, he did cheat like obviously like. But also let's talk about the concept of the show. Everyone for couples that are at a crossroads come here to be single to date other people.

So, yes, the whole thing of this whole joke with no rules, that's the whole concept of the show. Why go on this show if you're not going to I mean, of course, don't cheat. But then again, then why are you coming on the show? You're single. You know, if it's like this weird. I just feel like people don't really understand what the show's premise is and then they get too caught up in, oh, my God, they're dating like, I don't know.

I just that's how I see it. So for people to really hey, on tenderloins, at least for me, it's comical because I know the real at the end of the day and but I do love the way Eric is reacting. That girl has my heart entirely. I know like I did what I did, but I was having fun. You know, I came on the show to have fun and also fall in love. That was my main thing to go on this show.

Why? Why would I go on it for anything else? I want love. I want to find a person. So it's just, you know, I just sometimes I feel like people get too caught up with not not really understanding the show's premise and how genuine and everything is within the show. It's not just, you know, we're not just characters in a video game. It's our real lives, you know? So all of this bullying and all this shit that's going on everywhere is insane because it's it's not real life.

It is real life, but it's not real life and it's our life. So it's just not a lot, you know. And I really feel bad for Kendall with all the things that have been happening. I just think people need to be more open minded. And especially because, I mean, come on, look at the era we're in. Like, there's so much happening in life.

And, you know, if someone's going to go on national television, cheat on their girlfriend on national television, so be it. There's people doing it every day to the husband and wife behind closed doors, you know what I mean? That's just how I feel. But at the end of the day, I, I, I totally think that the way Erika has been going about everything is so beautiful because I'm all about female empowerment. I'm so about I've been through a toxic relationship like she has.

So I really feel for her. I get I get what Kendall is doing to her. But I also understand why Kendall is doing it, because he wants the best for her. So there's just so many elements within all of that, within the two part question that you asked me.

But I just feel like my biggest answer is if everyone had an open heart and open heart, I feel like the world would not be this hateful.

OK, so Kendall has said it. You just said it there. And this is what I'm trying to understand when when Kendall says I want the best for Erika, I'm I'm confused about what that means because he can want the best for Erika, but but not have sex with somebody else. Like my whole thing with with what happened is and kind of what you said, like the whole concept of the show is to go on and date other people. That's exactly where I agree with that.

However, there's a difference between forming a connection with Alexis and being like, wow. And, you know, maybe some kissing and some handholding, but, you know, having sex with someone every night and then also including a threesome in there, I think that's what the fans are just like. That didn't have to happen. If he wants to fall for Alexis, by all means. That's the whole point of the show is maybe Erica I've been with for two and a half years isn't who I thought she was.

And wow, this Alexis girl is just, you know, blow me away for, you know, a month that I'm with her. I think that's still debatable as well, that you don't you're really going to dump a girlfriend of two and a half years for maybe for someone that you've known for a month, like there's that debate. Right. So I.

I agree completely. Yeah, right. No. And I would I will tell you this, and this might get me a little bit in trouble, but I genuinely feel like even Alexis, too. I think they just wanted a physical thing for a hot second there.

You know, I just you know, and I like talked about this with several people. I feel like even the clips with them having conversations, it's not even genuine. Like, I don't know, I just I feel like Alexis and Campbell's relationship was very not what he wanted out of this experience, I think. And that's one of the main going back to our previous conversation earlier, I think that's what pissed me and him off the most, is that we could have had those.

Conversations in those big talks and those, you know, to open up his mind and to really realize what he wants America and then I feel like with Alexis, he really did. And that's why it became only physical, if that makes sense. So that's where I need to step back and not step forward.

And that's what makes me pissed is like, you know, you go on the show thinking that you're going to actually find a real love connection and then you see these two not really having a real connection, at least for me.

When I was in the house looking at it all, I felt like you said then having sex and then just hurting Erica. So I don't know. That's where I kind of lie with it. I'm in a weird spot, too, because it makes me mad because I really was opening my heart to everyone and telling my true story. And I don't know. That's just I totally understand where the fans and everyone, the viewers see. I get that.

But there's also other things like when you really look into it, I'm like, do they even really have like a relationship? Like, that's just how I hear. Yeah.

I mean, you know, look, clearly, I mean, the big thing with Kendall all season has been, hey, we have no rules and I get that. And he he made no right. But you have another couple on the island, probably a couple of them, definitely Tom and Chelsea, who literally said in the first episode, we agreed no handl. No kissing, no sex, and no one, no one, no one else in your bed.

And so they come on the show with completely different I mean, they're they're all on the same show. They're all on Temptation Island, but they set standards and they set rules. And everybody thinks that seems to think that Kendall didn't set any rules because he wanted to be able to do what he wanted to do, which is exactly what we've seen write him have like I'm laying down no rules. So technically, I'm not cheating. Well, yeah, because this is exactly seemingly what you set out to do.

That's where people, I think, have the disconnect with Kendall. And trust me, I've listened to a lot of his interviews. I listen to the one last night with Mark, and I'm just still trying to put my I'm trying to wrap my brain around how he's justifying because he still comes off as very cavalier about what he did. It's seemed like last night when Mark asked him last night, he seemingly had a little bit more or more like I would have done things differently now that I see how it hurt Erica.

But again, I. I don't know how he couldn't have said no when he's out on the island. How does he not think that was going to hurt Erica?

You know? Right.

I mean, he is definitely will say he's a man of his words. He will not go back on anything. He says he he's like me. We believe everything happens for a reason. And we stand up for what we said, you know? But, you know, and I'm going to say this, too, I genuinely think to Kendall went in with a wrong mindset and it hit him way too late and did the same thing with me. And I just think that's the whole I mean, also, you have to think about it.

This is not just a reality show. It's a social experiment. Yeah. Who does this in the real world? No one.

Yeah, nobody likes it. Right, exactly. So I just, I just and it sucks. Like it really sucks to see that he is also strong and I know he's starting to notice. I think a lot of people are starting to notice that he's noticing shit. Did I just go about all of this incorrectly without thinking like you saying, without thinking that's going to hurt Erica, which I also was getting pissed at him. And it's funny that people not like everyone saying, like there's conversations that no one sees because producers decide not to post it.

But there's a conversation with Kendall and I where I get in a little argument with him where I heard overheard him saying that if Erica was the one to do something on island, he would be done with her or something like that.

And I got into an argument with all your actions. Right. So I and I'm a very feminist woman, so that pissed me off. And then I was like, that's just a fucking double standard. Like you're just being a dick because you're just being like, you know, one on one man, like, no, it's actually twenty, twenty one. Life is different now. Women can have the same fucking standards that's met. So I just think he just dove it so incorrectly and then noticed halfway through it.

And now he's doing a lot of understanding, figuring things out and all that. But it is a very difficult way of to understand it. Like I feel like I still don't understand and I'm trying to learn it. I think it's everyone's doing self reflection right now. At the end of the day, I think it's just we all need to figure out what we need in our lives and how to go about our lives, because obviously love hasn't been working out.

Yeah, I mean, it's it's this show is because here look, there's the television aspect of it was if, you know, for couples, God love them because they're providing us the entertainment, because this normally would not happen in a real life. It's just like if any four couples were having a crossroads in their relationship and deciding what to do. And the television show Temptation Island wasn't out. They would probably maybe go see a counselor, maybe work it out themselves, they wouldn't do this.

Exactly. So they're chosen. They're choosing to do this through a television show. And we know on a television show, let's be honest, if all four couples went out on that island and said, I'm not touching another person of the opposite sex that I'm living with and twiddling their thumbs for a month, it would be the most boring show on television. Nobody would watch exactly they saying that.

That's the other thing that makes me go crazy. Like all these fans are like, oh, my God, I don't want anyone to do anything. I'm like, what's the point of the show? What's the point of the producer's role there? I just thought that. That's what I'm saying, though. That's why people need to have a more open mind. I think just people don't think they just they just see the bare minimum and make an accusation or make their assumption, which everyone is OK with their opinion.

But at the end of the day, when you're saying all these mean stuff to one person or to a bunch of people or you're saying something about the show, how disgusting it is and all this stuff, I'm like, you're a viewer and you're watching it, then turn on your TV and watch something on ABC.

I don't know, like right now to me or, you know, look, I deal with it a lot with with The Bachelor Nation people. The fans have gotten out of control with the hate and the trolling on on people's accounts. It's like if you're that mad at them, you know, if you if someone wants to form an opinion about you guys having a threesome and they want to form an opinion about you or form an opinion about Alexis, that's fine.

But they don't need to they don't need to write it on your Instagram page and call you names or whatever else happened.

They can just think it and unfollow you and not watch the show. They don't. That's my whole thing. People don't have to express it publicly, but that's it's like the good and bad of social media nowadays.

That's certainly the band freedom of speech. Yeah. And everyone has it's right. And if you tell them, like, why are you doing that? Oh, freedom of speech, free country. I can do what I want. Yeah, you can. You can. But you can also show a little bit of restraint. You don't have to call somebody a name publicly on Instagram. And I'm sure that's you know, I'm sure you've gotten some stuff said about you.

Like I mean, I don't know.

But what is my God, what is the worst that you've got, like the. I think was kind of bad, I've been getting a lot of, like lesbians like comments, it's like one person like wrote Lesco or something like that. And but the thing is, like I said this earlier, too, like I've done this stuff in my life for so long. I grew up as a competitive dancer. I've been body shaped. I've been called a slut.

I've been seen as this person for my whole life. So when I see this stuff and I'm also so self-aware and so into my self love journey, that when I see someone hating on me or I get a comment, that's their problem, not mine. I have no room for any negative energy. Nothing about that. So I you know, and then but then again, I'm reading all this Temptation Island comment and I see that my friends are getting bullied and that's what hurts me more.

I don't give a fuck about what people are saying about me, but when I'm seeing all my other friends, that might not be as strong as me getting hurt. That's when it starts hurting because I don't want anyone to hurt. When we did what we signed up for. I'm sorry that people don't like that we were being ourselves. Like, I'm not going to be ashamed for who I am. I'm proud of who I am. Yeah.

I mean, it's a very it's a very delicate balance because like I said, these people are complaining about the way people are acting on the show. But if they didn't act this way and like I said, everybody nobody hooked up and everybody was like it was scared to cheat on their boyfriend, this would be this wouldn't even be a show. Nobody would nobody would watch.

Wouldn't it be it'd be boring as hell. And, you know, I so I get it. And to be honest with you, obviously, I've covered all three seasons now, to be honest with you, through six episodes, this is easily the tamest of the three seasons in terms of hookups or quote unquote cheating, because the only person that's done anything so far has been Kendel.

It looks like Tom and Chelsea may be getting there and we don't know what's coming in the future. I I'd be shocked at this point of Julian. Did it looks like Julian is is the guy that's look, I'm here to not cheat and to prove to my girlfriend I'm not a cheater. So but whatever, that's that's his that's his journey. I don't know if Corey and Amanda are going to advance right anywhere.

But through six episodes, it's the tamest of the three seasons, you know, in terms of cheating. So, yeah, and it's still very interesting to me. And I think to a lot of viewers, it's still fun to watch. But everybody's screaming that there's not enough cheating. Yeah, I guess compared to the first two seasons. Sure. But right. Right.

I, I don't think that I think that was a good thing for. Yeah, I think for us to like you guys obviously can't see on our side, but that was one of the things this season feels like the boys committed, you know, like it was hard.

It was hard for us single. Like, I felt like, I don't know, it's hard for me to really comment on that question without saying anything. But I it just I can tell you that it was very difficult. And that's why, you know, I had to really think about how I can really make my journey, you know, important and worth it invaluable.

So, you know, it's. Yeah, yeah, I know.

I know. And like I said, I don't know I don't know the spoilers. I don't want to know what happens. Right. We're about halfway through the season. But, you know, just on this week's episode, like I said, it looks like Tom may be headed somewhere with Sophie and looks like Chelsea, maybe headed somewhere with Blake. We just don't we don't know, just going off of their actions. It seems like that's where it's headed.

And these are two people in the first episode that said no kissing, no sex and no one in your bed. And now it seems like, OK, now it seems like both of them are going to cheat. And I would assume if one of them does or both, that they are not going to leave the island as a couple. But I don't know and I don't want to know.

But there's so much that's going to happen. Everyone, I just keep watching. Good.

I'm excited for it. I know that next week we've got more eliminations coming. There's only eight girls left. I don't know how many leave, but I think we're looking at, you know, look, Kendall's been on every date with Alexis.

Tom outside of his first date. Every date he's been on is with Sofia Corey outside of his first date. I think every date has been with Amanda.

Right. Or did he scream and then Julian has kind of been all over the map because I don't think, you know, like I said, Julian, I don't think it matters who he goes out with because he's not looking for a connection with anybody else, so.

I don't know, I'm I'm interested to see what happens these last four episodes, because it seems like we know who the four people like when you get to the overnight dates and you have to choose the final person to be with, it kind of seems like we know who the guys are going to choose. And I kind of think, let's see Chelsea with Blake. Erica, I don't know who. Oh, Erica. Obviously, Erica with Jesse. That's the only guy she goes out with.

Yeah. Who's the Aaron? It's kind of been she's kind of had the two guys that she has juggled, Griffin and. Yes. Whatever. And then and then Kristen has actually taken the time to date a bunch of different guys. So I don't know who her final date with, but I'm very interested to see how this plays out. You obviously know. So I will I think I want to thank you for coming on and talking about all this and.

Yeah. And wish you luck.

The rest of you grabbing me. No, no problem. Dating. I will become more tears coming out of my eyes. Oh, so, Nicole, thank you so much for coming on.

I really appreciate it. No problem. And we'll be in touch. Thank you so much for having me. Yes, we'll be in touch. Thank you so much.

You got it. But. Well, thank you to Nicole. She is. Definitely a bundle of energy, I love it. I love how open she is, I love the fact that she has zero filter and has no problem talking about any of this. So very excited that she came on and was able to give the perspective of it. And, look, I get what the fans are saying and I get the how upset they are with Kendall and the way he has come across on the show.

But the flip side is, do you want for couples that don't do anything? But I also see there's another boat and that's that I also see what you say when you say, look, he can develop a connection with somebody else. He doesn't have to go have sex with somebody else. And I get that and I totally get that and or and end on top of that throw on a threesome, because it's completely disrespectful to Erica. And a lot of you seem to be loving the way Erica is handle yourself.

And and I am, too. And you heard her on this podcast a couple of weeks ago. And she's very seems to be very confident in not appreciating what happened and would not take that disrespect from Kendall.

So you heard from one half of the thrussell. Now let's get to the second half of the thrussell with Alexis.

And here is the other single that we're going to have on the podcast this week. You see her on Temptation Island every Tuesday night at 9:00 Central and USA, it is Alexis Herman. Alexis, how are you? Hi. I'm doing good. I want to first jump in with you with probably the number one thing well, probably the number two thing asked about you this season. And I'm I'm sure it's come up. I'm sure people have asked you.

I'm sure you've seen comments about it on Instagram and Twitter or whatever. I don't even know if you're on Twitter, but I'm sure you've had people ask you. The spelling of your name, I think is that is that something that you it was born that way or did you change it to be different? I was born that way.

And my mother spelt it just like that. And it's it's crazy because, you know, growing up, I've got nothing but compliments. And now it's like the complete opposite.

Yeah. I mean, it's you now you're dealing with social media trolls who just I mean, the thing is, I've you know, I'm 45 years old.

I've never seen Alexa spelled that way ever. So I it was new to me for sure. I mean, Nicole has got a bunch of cousins in her first and last, so.

OK, but yeah, Alexis seems to be the comment about her, just like I can't stand this girl because of the way she spells her name. I'm like, yeah, OK, let's let's not judge someone.

By the way, how they you had no control over that, you know. Right.

Where where were you, where are you originally from or where are you based out of.

I'm originally from Washington State. Oh OK. And are you in L.A. now. Yes. OK, here for four years.

OK, so same thing I asked Nicole, how did you get involved with this show? How did you hear where you recruited or and had you seen the show before, how did you get involved with season three?

I actually never have seen the past seasons. I my friend, he was actually on last season. He said that I would be great. I probably make it on and I applied to be on the show and I kind of just did it out of for fun to see if I actually even make it. And then I got on.

Who was your friend from last season? That was it. OK, yeah. So when you realized that you were getting cast and you had gone to the casting process and you had made it.

What exactly was your goal goal going on to this show? Obviously, you knew you were single and anybody that you met was going to be a guy that was already in a relationship. So were you going into this? Well, it sounds like you actually just kind of answered it. You were just kind of going into it looking to have fun.

Yeah, no, I was just going into the whole process, open minded. I didn't really know what I was getting myself into. I was just going with my main thing was going with the flow.

And I did really want to make a connection with someone.

And, you know, it's I wanted to work on, like, personal things to, you know, like opening up, breaking down my walls. And so, you know, I went in there was some things, but mostly just kind of want to have fun and go with the flow.

Is that something you struggled with in the past, just being a little closed off and not being easy to get to know? I think I'm pretty easy to get to know. I just I just don't let anybody in, you know, so I feel like sometimes I'm a little bit closer. I only let the right people in.

OK, what is your what is your relationship history in terms of serious boyfriends?

I've only the one I've been in one serious relationship and that was like in high school till like two or three years out of high school.

So it was like a high school sweetheart kind of thing. And then I learned a lot from the relationship. So I don't regret anything or what happened. It just.

Are you friends? Are you friends? Are still in touch with him at all or. No. I actually was before the show. He did not want me to go on the show. Oh. And yeah, I haven't talked to him since.

Gotcha. OK. Oh. When you guys introduce yourselves as singles, if I'm not mistaken, your.

Little one liner was directed at was it directed at Kendall because you specifically said, like, your man will be seeing a lot, you'll be seeing a lot of me with your man at Bonfire. Were you directing that at Kendall or or Erica, I guess, in that instance, or was it just that Erica?

OK.

Yeah, honestly, when I was up there, I was I was completely blacked out, like my like my eyesight, like I was so shy and scared to go up there. And so I kind of just went with, like, the easiest way to point instead of, like, pointing to like maybe know where. And it just so happened to be the front. Right, with kind of America.

So was Kendall somebody when you were looking at the guys? Obviously, that was the first time you had seen the four men that were going to be you were going to be competing for. Was Kendall the one that you were initially attracted to?

Actually, no. It was Corey. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

So why so why did nothing ever happen with you and Corey? So and I we talked we had great conversations, and then it kind of was more of Nicole talking to him, you know, getting to know him more. And for me, I was respecting the friendship there. So I was like, OK, you know what? Those two can they seem like they have a great connection and I'll let that keep going. And then I just started it up talking to kind of more.

OK, so you of obviously every date that Kendall has been on has been with you. And I was curious about this when you guys had the first dates and the men had to choose you in front of their girlfriends. And Erica made a comment about you might want to sanitize that hand. Did you hear that in the moment or did you not hear that until the episode aired?

I didn't hear that episode aired. And what were your thoughts?

I mean, once I saw it, I mean, she kind of takes a lot of shit, but I don't know, she can really back it.

But I don't you know, I didn't really I've had worse things said about me, and so I didn't really get to me.

OK, here's something that I that I noticed on social media. And I don't know, I think I might know the answer to it without ever having spoken to you in my life. But I think I could have sworn at the beginning of the season you had a public Instagram profile that had a bunch of pictures on it. When I go to your Instagram now, I see it's private and there's six photos or there's only six posts.

Did you do that or am I looking at the wrong? This is Alexis. Jordan is Alexis Jordan is your Instagram, right?

Yeah, I have. So I rarely ever posted before. I think the most I think I've had my Instagram for maybe like six years. I think the most pictures I've had was like thirty two. I really don't take pictures. I don't really care about social media really. It just now after the show it's kind of. And a little bit more posting more on trying to, you know, stay on it, but she's probably going to be a little bit hard for me because I'm not into all that stuff.

So I have some friends that are forcing it on me and making me stick with a schedule of posting and whatnot.

OK, because right now I only I mean, it's private.

I don't follow you because, well, you're private, but it says you only have six posts. Yeah. I just got to remember at the beginning of the season, there were you were public at the beginning of the season, correct?

Yeah. Yeah. I think like 12 posts now.

Oh, OK. When I look at it, it's a six. So is this something to wear? And this is my guess and this is where I said I can guess maybe why you went private. Is it because there are just trolls commenting on your captions about the way you're acting on the season? Is that accurate?

Oh, yeah. I mean it it's yeah. I don't mean like after the season I plan to, you know, bring it back to public. But right now it's just I literally get so much each week this random hate comments and you know, they, they get pretty gross and disgusting.

So yeah. You know, I just instead of having to delete it or have to read it, I just don't deal with it.

And I put it, yeah, it's unfortunate.

It's but and the unfortunate thing as well is even though you went on a television show to have fun, it's just that fans of these shows are Armani's. Yeah. I mean, they just they feel and I and I had this conversation just now with. With Nicole and the thing, it's like my problem with it is, you know, there's one thing to be like, hey, well, this is what you signed up for. It's like, no, you didn't sign up to get told to be called names and maybe a death threat or whatever.

That's ridiculous. And if somebody has an opinion about you, which they're allowed to form, it means you are going, oh, yeah, they don't necessarily have to share it.

And the problem is they all do. They all feel like, oh, because I saw Alexis have sex on television, I'm going to tell her how I feel about that and.

Right, exactly. And if it's not positive or just you can if people want to hate Alexis, that's fine. Just don't. Yeah. Just don't write on her page how much you hate her.

Like, it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

But we know what happens. So, yeah. So let's get to the Kendall stuff, because obviously you've been on every date with him. He's never asked anybody else out up through six episodes.

And I mean, I've had Kendall on the podcast about Erika on the podcast. So and now I'm having you. I want to know from you exactly what you where it started with Kendall and what attracted you to him the most. So a candle is like our conversations, you know, it wasn't just small talk, it was we were getting not just to the point, but, you know, we're actually making great conversation and having a genuine connection. And just each time we had a conversation, it was just it kept growing and getting deeper.

And then what attracted me to him or it was like he was you know, he's tall. I love a tall guy, didn't die. And I always end up with a short guy so much. That's weird. But I know he was tall. He had a great smile, you know, and he just he seemed confident. So which I was like, yeah, he's quite confident.

We can clearly see that as we watch the show. Yeah.

So when. Okay. So. What's your goal at some point, like once you started developing stronger feelings for him and it was more than, oh wow, this is I came out here for fun, but I'm actually starting to have feelings for this guy and then the whole, because I think the first night that we saw you guys go back to his room, you ended up leaving at the end of the night and then the next time it was OK and then, you know, the sex happened.

Is was that something planned or how did it all come about? And did you have a because obviously, clearly there's hours and hours of footage and we get 40 minutes a week. Was there was there a deep conversation about, hey, if we have sex, which I'm all for, but if we have sex, you realize what this is maybe going to be, how it's going to be portrayed. Did you guys think about that or did you just be like, hey, I just.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

No, I, I definitely kept asking Kendall about it. I think it was around her third date. I think there is like a clip where it said, you know, we're not breaking any rules if anything happens. I think that's what I said. It was a little bit deeper of a conversation before that. Not just that part, but. Yeah, no, we definitely talked about it. I talked to him about it and how he would feel afterwards.

And he just seemed very OK with everything.

Yeah. I mean, were you surprised that he felt so OK with everything. I mean, you knew they had no rules. He had established that like, hey, Eric and I have no rules.

So yeah, if it goes here, it goes here and I'll and I'll go with it. So were you surprised, though, that they had no rules and he was willing to do that?

I mean, compared to the other guys, he was way, way more open, but, you know, after getting to know Kendall, it wasn't, you know, much of I didn't really think about it afterwards after he said it was fine and that, you know, he Erik he said Eric, looking over it, which I personally probably wouldn't get over if I was in her shoes.

But that was my next question is. Yeah. If you're Erica and obviously you've seen you've seen the episodes, you've seen how Erica had to watch this at Bonfire, and you probably knew these were the clips that she was going to get shown at Bonfire. But when Erica is shown these clips. And you're watching it back, is there a part of you that. Is there a part of you that feels bad at all, or you were just like, hey, this what you guys signed up for?

You guys made no rules, you can't be mad at him. Where did you see him on all that? But where do you stand?

Yeah, I definitely didn't feel bad, honestly. I felt bad of how he treated her more, but not he agreed with no rules. I mean, it was kind of a test, it seemed like, and he clearly broke it. But, you know, it kind of seemed a little tired of going with no rules. I don't know.

I I wouldn't have done that, that's for sure. OK, yeah, I.

That's I had the same exact conversation with Nicole. It's like. I get where people are upset with him because of, you know, I can't believe you've done that, you disrespected your girlfriend, but the people that are also saying, I can't believe this is happening. You know, what's the what's the what's the opposite here, and that's for couples that go out there and total their homes and don't do anything with anybody for four a month. And that's the most boring TV show on television.

So what exactly do you want then? Because I don't know how I now get it. They they established, hey, we have no rules, whereas someone like Tom and Chelsea said no kissing, no sex, no one in the bed.

Yeah.

So it but on Kendall's side and we're just speaking about Kendall here, it seems like and this seems to be the consensus online is that he said no rules to Erica because this is exactly what he wanted to do.

Do you agree with that? That's what he wanted to achieve, that he decided, well, we're going to have no rules because I want to be able to cheat, hook up, do whatever, and you not say, hey, you cheated on me because we came into this with no rules. Like, do you think that he he established that because this is exactly what he wanted to do, basically be able to have a hall pass or whatever free pass to do?

Doretti.

Yeah. I feel like that, yeah, it's probably.

Pretty true, I yeah, I haven't really thought about it that way, but yeah, OK, I feel like it was definitely a hall pass for him at any point when.

Well, I mean, last night I mean, in this week's episode we saw that you guys were talking about, you know, he asked you about if we left the island together, could you see us together? And you're talking about family and babies and you want ten babies. Oh, no. You made that up, right. That was a lot then.

Yes, I was kidding. Yeah.

So, OK, so let's get to the the most talked about moment of the season, the threesome.

So. When Nicole well, it first started in when you guys were all in the pool and you guys started making out, then you and then you skinny dipped. Was this something that had slowly developed, like, obviously you knew Nicole was bisexual, she had I'm sure she told you guys probably early on in the process.

Yeah, but was it something where it just developed that you because you spent so much time with Nicole that you developed just more of a wow, she's really cool. And like, what led you down that road to be like, you know what? I'm interested in hooking up with her as opposed to just being great friends with her. I mean, for me, it was I was always just great friends with her. I. I don't know, I was the one who asked me to ask Nicole to come to bed with us and because that's something that's kind of new for me.

So I was open to trying something new and it just kind of she was the one, you know, that is not easy to get through, like the other person that would probably want to do that with us.

OK, so Kendall Kendall was the one that asked us. Yes. Oh. Did not know that, but just go, yeah, yeah, OK. And you said was I mean, I feel I think I can ask you this. Was this your first time with another woman? Yes, like there's another time we're really like fully like this. Yeah, so this time was a I would consider a real home.

Yeah, because I because I had asked Nicole, I said, look, because this may seem like a silly question, but. Did a threesome actually happen or did they make you pull the sheets up and make it because they wanted to tease the audience and she's like, no, no, I had the best sex. I mean, she said it was the best sexual experience of her life. So so it definitely seemed like this wasn't like some stunt for TV.

It definitely was, you know, three people having fun with each other.

So, OK, so this was new to you. So what made I guess I guess what I'm asking is like, what made you do this? What made you want to go down that road? You could have said, Kendel, I, I'm I don't know. I don't I don't want to or or you were just like I, I kind of want to. Was it was it a drinking thing? Did alcohol play a role in this.

Oh yeah, definitely. Like listen, we have some to make the decision. Yeah. If I was sober I most likely would have probably said no. But you know, it was just I think it was just the whole night, just the lives that were going on. It was, you know, it's just fun, fun night.

So they want to end it boring.

So when once it happened, did the dynamic get. Tougher because, like, were there feelings for I guess I just asked you straight up, were there feelings for Nicole or was this strictly a physical?

I was you know, I was drunk. We were, you know, the vibe was there and it was just a lot of fun. Or where did you start having some sort of feelings for Nicole? I didn't grow feelings for Nicole. It was just her night and a fun night, and I think this last episode, it kind of, you know, it seemed like she was trying to get her way in and acting like she was our point.

I was like, no, I think she's like, you know, thought of her that way by any means. I for me, it was just tonight and then. Yeah, OK.

Is the money is there obviously we're not going to we can't talk about future episodes and what happens. But was there a fear for you maybe that Kendall on his next date would ask her out or no. You know, OK, so you you pretty much knew that this was strictly a sort of a vibing, fun night. Alcohol was flowing, there was attraction there physically, and three people went at it, OK?

Yeah. So after that, the dynamic did not really change at all. We don't know what's coming up, but other than the clip that was released today, there's going to be some eliminations next week. I don't think you're getting eliminated.

But so at this point, your six episodes in I can I can tell just in talking to you, it probably hasn't been the greatest. Social media experiment for you, experience for you, has it for the first six weeks. You know, it could have been better for sure, but it's it's OK.

I really don't mind. I know I don't let random people's comments, you know, get to me. You know, the only people that I care about, you know, that have their opinions is like my family or my close friends. So it honestly makes me laugh, seeing random people's comments and their concerns about me.

Just curious, what is what of your family and friends said about what happened this season? Obviously, I'm sure they knew before it aired. I'm sure you gave them a heads up. But when it's played out and they've actually watched it, what have they said to you? Oh, no, they love it there. They didn't know that there was this side of Alexis out there because honestly, I watch a lot of people don't know about me. I'm actually very shy and I am not open like that normally.

So this is a new side to them and you know, they love it.

Is this a sign that you're going to keep? Is this a side you like or was this just a hey, I was on a TV show for a month. I'm just going to leave it at that and that that part of me was left on in Maui. And I'm just going to go back to being shy.

Alexis, even though there's always that part of Alexis, you know, that the fun outgoing I might not show that side of me every day like I did on the island, but it's still there for sure.

OK, and what is your what is your background in terms of what you've I know you said you grew up in Washington State. Where where in Washington State. And what did you do in high school? You were a cheerleader. Did you were you a nerd or were you the a jock? What were you in high school?

So I grew up in a small town called Charlotte as a small country town where everyone knew everyone. So that is not it's not new to me. So I've grown up with that. So being on TV, it kind of made it easy. But I played sports all growing up. I played soccer and softball and I was friends with everybody. I don't think I belong to one clinic. I just you know, I made friends with everybody.

Did you go did you go off to college or did you stay home before?

I did go to college for a year and a half and decided that it wasn't really for me.

But then also at that time, I was moving down to California.

So I chose sunshine and happiness over sad cold rain.

Yeah. What do you do now? I'm actually unemployed right now. I used to work at Warner Brothers Studios, but I got laid off in May due to the pandemic. Oh, and I haven't really.

Decided what I want to do next. I'm kind of waiting for the show to finish up. I don't really know the, you know, opportunities that the show will bring me, but I'm kind of just let it play out the flow. Yeah.

At the at the end of all this, when we ultimately see what happens and. How it all plays out, can you say that you are satisfied with how it played out? Are you regretting how it played out? What is your thought process without giving away what happens at the end? How you feel about how everything happened this season? I'm satisfied with Knowsley, everything. If there was something I could change while I was on the island, I definitely would.

Other than that, I think I had a great time on the island and. Yeah, well, if there was one thing you could change, it would be what? I don't know if I'm allowed to say, oh, OK, yeah, yeah, if I could change one thing, there would be something.

But what it has it. But it has not aired yet. No. OK, yeah.

OK. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. OK, well we'll we'll definitely be watching. Alexis, I appreciate you coming on and doing this and it'll be up tomorrow and you can check it out. You and Nicole and I appreciate you coming on and we'll we'll be watching.

Of course. I'm excited to listen tomorrow. Thanks, Alexis.

All right. Right, right. So thank you to Alexis for that and I. I've in the people that I've spoken to when I watch the show and when she said that she's a you know, I don't know if people are going to believe this, but I am really shocked. I can absolutely tell that she's a shy girl. I just get that I've always gotten that vibe from her. That's why I was kind of trying to dig about the the threesome of, like, where did this come from?

And like I said, it was just this seems like this was to her nothing more than a fun night we're drinking. Let's let's do something different, let's let's switch it up, let's let's have fun and but yeah, I totally buy that, that she's a shy girl, but I appreciate her coming on and sharing that and Nicole before her.

So another Temptation Island week in the books next week will be back to interviewing one half of the couples. I don't know if we've we've got two left. We've got Julian and Kristen and Corey and Erin. I don't know who's next week, but it will be one of them. So thank you all for tuning in. Please write, subscribe and review an Apple podcast. Much appreciated. And we're chugging along here. Thank you all for listening. And I like I said, I wouldn't wouldn't be 230 or whatever podcasts into this without the audience.

So I appreciate you guys and love the feedback and any feedback I can get on on these podcasts and these guests so. Well, for Nicole and Alexis Einaudi, Steve, thank you all for tuning in. And we will talk to you next week.