First off, bring it, haters, because you're about to hate some more. Based on this TikTok that Jesse wants to play, it's just me from yesterday saying, What is true? I'm saying the truth. Speaker of truth, Adam Truther. It's me.

Are you an Apple Truther?

No, maybe I am. Jesse, go ahead and play The confidence in this guy. It's the truth.

All right, so Adam said this yesterday on the Steve Dangle podcast.

Austin Matthews is scoring at an unbelievable pace, and he doesn't need to pass. Why are we so obsessed with assists in this game? No other sport gives you shit. Soccer, when you see somebody kick a goal, you know what they show you in brackets next to the goal? How far away from the goal he was when he scored it. In basketball, is anybody-Wait.

Did everybody hear what I The child just said?

Yeah, they did. Yeah, they do.One.

More time.Yeah.

They do. Are we so obsessed with assists in this game? No other sport gives you shit. Have you never seen this? Soccer, when you see somebody kick a goal, you know what they show you in brackets next to the goal? How far away from the goal he was when he... Yeah.

Wait, Adam, that's the time.

Oh, is it the time?

Adam, that's the time. Well, shit.

I was like, Man, 71 feet, that's far. Wait, that's the time the goal was scored.

See?

Again, though, it supports my point, which no one cares about it. It's such a Canadian thing.

That's not how many feet away they scored the goal.

You know what?

This is on our TikTok?

Adam said it yesterday on the show, and neither of us just realized what he said.

Neither has caught it?

And he went and he said this, and now it's on the internet.

Oh, no. Whatever embarrassing shit can I say on TikTok?

You started the show being like, Here's the truth. Here are some facts. Deliver something that is objectively a lie and doesn't happen. That's right.

You want to know what a bunch of ill-meaning psychopaths we have who work here? It was just published.

It's going to happen. It's going to be a good day online, kids.

Just watch your mention.

You better repost that. I want that to get as many people as possible.

I was going to comment, Oh, Adam, no. But what I'm going to do is I'm going to tag you so the people can harass me.

There we go. I'm still right about this, though. I'm going to send the bar. I am still right. That's a Canadian thing. It's like, Well, who helped him? Who helped him get there? It is.

What? It's the time, Adam.

Okay, well, that you're right about.

How did I miss that?

I don't know. Both of you missed that. How did a room full of people- I don't actually feel that bad because there's three other people in here and nobody said anything.

I think you were just ranting and we just let you cook. We're just like, Okay, he's playing ISO ball, move out of the way. You just went off.

I'm like, Ben Simmons playing ISO ball, though. Just not good. Just not good. That wasn't good. But you know what? I have said this for years, and I mean Maybe that wasn't the best example of it, but I do mean it. A goal doesn't matter more than a sys. They do. They fucking do.

I'm sending this to my brother-in-law.

Oh, I hope he gets... Is it Liam or the other one? Liam.

The one who played semi-pro soccer.

We messaged back and forth from time to time. He's a good guy. He's going to hate me after this.

What's the little number after they score?

It's the fucking where they scored it from, Jesse. Okay.

Adam, what did you think then when it said 90 plus 30? You know what?

Honestly, I didn't really pay much attention.

What does the plus three mean then?

90 feet plus three? Yeah. 3 inches.

3 inches. 90 and 3 inches. There you go. That's all you need, really. It's just that extra 3 inches. I don't know. Yeah.

No.

Oh, my God. I think you're in trouble, Steve.

Honestly, there's three of us. Why am I in trouble?

Because you guys didn't stop me.

Neither of us. We just-Good friends, stop friends.

Yeah. Thank you, Jessie, for taking responsibility.

We're Steve. We do bear some responsibility What if yesterday was rock bottom and this is the intervention?

No. What if we're doing exactly what we should?

Can't be doing that. Still, the point is, the point is, Austin Matthew scoring at the rate he is scoring at is very special and more special than your done assists.

Adam. What do you mean no? You're Socker take was- Fuck off with your no. Your soccer take was so wrong that it invalidates all attached points.

That's not possible.

Yes, it does.

No, it's not possible.

You could have said the sky was blue and we'd have a green-ass sky from now on. That's how wrong that was. Oh, my God.

Well, anyway, go Austin Matthews. Go goals. Go goals. Anyway, what else? What do we want to go with today? Because I know we're doing an all-star draft, a mock draft, and we're including producer Drew in this just to piss people off, which I think is great.

We got to talk about sends preds. Yeah, we do.

It's funny. The scorer had a write-up before the game, and I feel bad for the writer because I would have said the same thing. But the headline of the article online was, Don't expect many sparks from the pred sends tonight.

Yeah, it's because he doesn't have a contract with them, idiot.

Oh, Gary Parks. Yeah. But you know what? It turned out to be a game.

A heck of a comeback. There's controversy, there's comebacks, there's good story lines. Chuck, after the game, his comments to the media was like, We got to show everybody who we are. This is our time.

No, he's already shown everybody who he is. He's fine. He's got nothing to prove as far as I'm concerned. It's the rest of the team that needs to. 3-0 after one period. You're thinking, Okay, this might be okay. It It might be okay to miss this game.

This is coming off of a 7-2 loss to the Rangers.

This is the senators, right?

The senators. You lose 7-2, and then you go into the first period, you're down 3-0. You've allowed 10 goals in four periods.

I don't remember if it was Tia Center Sportsnet, I watched the highlight pack for that game on for the Rangers one. I was like, Man, whoever edited this really tricked me into thinking this was a close game.

Oh, really?

Yeah. It was compelling and it was back and forth and back and forth, and then you start to notice, Oh, the Rangers have scored four straight. These are all Rangers highlights. These are all Rangers highlights. And then they won. They won by five goals. It was not close.

I think what's crazy about this game is there's the three nothing. You could see Sens fans groaning. I think it was Ken Campbell that was like, The Sends are showing everybody how young and experienced they are, and then retweeted himself later on after the second period and was like, The Sends are showing everybody how dynamic and young and amazing they are. There you go.

You know what? Is that not the story of the Sends? It is, right?

It's the tale of two cities, only we've got one city more than the other, and that's the shitty one. You know what?

Maybe they should go get Chris Tanaf. Right. Maybe they should pay Futures for a 34-year-old.

Do you think Craig Conroy was like, Yes. Yes. Not watching this game? Absolutely. Absolutely. Batherson, Stutzla, and Katie Kchuck in the second period. I think it reminds me of the Pierre-Envall. No, the other one. Trudeau. No.

Polyakov. More annoying.

No, Maguire. That's not fair. I've heard he's a good guy. But remember, there's- I thought it was going to be Dorian. There's a story about how in Hartford, they were down 4-0 going into the third period. He's like, Boys, we just need a goal every five minutes, and we're going to make it happen. They scored one in the first five minutes. He's like, We're on the way, boys.

No, we're ahead of schedule.

Yeah, we're ahead of schedule. And so, Drake Batherson scores at 5:21 in. And then Tim Stutz let 9:20. Pierre Maguire will be losing his mind. And then second period, like I said, 17:10, braided Kachuk. And Steve, at the end of this period, they took coincidental penalties. And Steve thought, What the hell happened there? I know my take was bad with the soccer thing, but Steve thought the end of the second meant overtime.

No, I tweeted... We'll bring it up.

It's such a good tweet.

Screw it. Jesse's bringing it.

Hold on. Give me a second.

There it is.

Steve tweeted, @stev dangle. The third period in Ottawa, Nashville, ended four on four, which doesn't mean overtime will start two on two. And that makes me sad. The funny thing about this tweet is that it was the end of the second period. That's right. And not the end of the game.

And then can to the next tweet? No, not there.

Well, this one just says, Steve, are you currently baked? And Steve says, sup.

No, I said sup.

So did you not think, hey, It's weird that the 7 o'clock start is ending at 8:50.

Can I answer that for you? I'd love to. No. I was under the influence of cannabis and didn't realize what period it was.

That's hilarious.

Yeah, that was embarrassing. You know what? It was a tight third period, but nothing happened. And Drew, obviously scoring in overtime. It was a crazy goal.

That was a really the back and forth on the little one-timer there. It was beautiful. It was magic.

Let's talk about the embellishment call with Ridley Grigg. This is him. Stutzla. It was Stutz. Oh, no.

No, it was Ridley Grigg.

I thought the spirit of the nuts.

You're thinking of the UC Soros thing.

Oh, yeah. I thought we were doing that one. There were several.

No, there were several.

Okay, well, if you got that one cued up, we can start with that.

We can do either one.

Okay. Which one of us was high?

The Ridley Greg one I want to talk about because- Hold on.

We do the Greg one. Okay.

The reason I want to talk about it is this guy gets spirit in the nuts, and they're like, Hey, man, stop acting so much. It's funny because you see guys fall down like this all the time in the NHL, and they never call an embellishment. I wondered, why now?

I think it's because the stick was pinned to him somehow, whether his leg was wrapped around it or it was in his equipment.

So they thought he might be like, he might have made a mistake and was trying to sell it?

No, because they called the... What did they call the penalty against? It's a trip? Okay, so he's clearly... I would say that's a spear more than a trip.

No, they called it a slashing. Jeremy Lozon slashing.

Slashing, whatever. He's shanked right in the midsection, and I'm willing to bet that hurt. It's the least protected.

Well, I I wondered instantly if he was one of those lunatics that doesn't wear a cup. No. Because we've talked about there are NHL players that don't wear them.

Does he kill penalties?

I don't know.

Because that would be... I don't know. Here you go.

I don't know. In Jacques Martin's New World, I don't know what... Killing a penalty, being out there for the penalty kill and actually killing the penalty is a different thing. You can't take the ice.

You can't.

Well, so, Jesse, do you have it right there? Yeah, I got it here. Okay, let's bring it up.

Look at that.

Now, you could call that a hook, a slash, whatever. I don't really care as long as you call But like...

It's when he goes down.

Yeah. Now, you could see. I don't see how the ref...

So the stick is in his pants.

The stick is stuck between his legs.

I don't know how you call that an embellishment. I don't care what they make the call as long as they make the call on Lozai.

Are they upset he did a full barrel roll?

I mean, yes, probably. But we see that all the... Embellishment is one of the most random calls that the NHL has. First of all, they find people for embellishment, and it's two or three players a year. You almost never hear about it. It's usually Michael Bunting, and that's it. But if we called embellishment for every time a player had an infraction against them and they took the player's stick with them, almost every hook would be four on four.

I mean, if that's an embellishment, so is John DeVarra snapping his stick.

Yeah. Well, that was the argument that Elliott Freeman and Jeff Maric had yesterday on 32 thoughts, and it was pretty compelling, I got to say. But I understand not loving the barrel roll, but one of the responses I saw from Sense fans was, All right, well, you get speared in the nuts.

Yeah.

What's amazing to me is there will be a dirty hit, and we'll watch the replay 400,000 times, and someone will be like, Oh, he meant to do that. And the but actually guy always comes in and goes, Yeah, but you can't possibly tell what a player's intent is. And then once a month or so, an NHL official will be like, I know exactly what happened here immediately, and call someone for embellishment.

I don't understand what they're trying to accomplish with this call. It's like, okay, so you don't want the guy to get speared in the nuts and roll on the ice, but there's a penalty in the moment. It's not like it's middle of play and he's rolling around. They called the slash and the play has stopped and he took a couple extra rolls on the ice and he has a stick between his legs. Nothing seemed overly egregious.

Well, Can I answer?

It can't be both.

I know the answer.

What's the answer? I'm backing Jesse up here.

Nhl officials watch very little of the game. They don't. They take the ice, they skate around, they have some chats with their friends, their personal friends, but they don't actually watch the game. They take the ice with their preconceived notions of each and every player out there, and they have a bias against young players. We've seen it. There's this with really Greg, a rookie, Adam Fantilly, who from the moment he said anything about that 10-minute misconduct that he did not deserve, they've had it out for him. Matthew Nize has gotten several penalties this season for being a person standing in a place.

Matthew Nize loves sitting, was it circle on the PlayStation? Like the little poke splash? Yeah. He loves doing that all day long.

He takes penalties as well. But this is a league full of players who take penalties, and the rookies always get the short end of the stick. If there's a guy in their 30s and they never do this, and it happens and they do a barrel roll, they wouldn't get this penalty because the ref would be like, Oh, I know that guy. I've been to dinner with his wife and everything.

If this is Cory Perry, it's not called.

Yeah. In the offseason, I was at the casino with them, having a great time, and he signed some sticks for my nephew, and that was really nice of them. I know they don't do this thing. But the rookies, they're like, I don't know that guy. He's never even invited me by his home. We've never even gone out and gotten coffee together.

We've never been pretend for 10 friends.

Yeah, he's not even my close personal friend. I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

That's what happened. I don't want to paint with just a black and white brush here because I think there is gray Because then they'd look like a ref. I do think, though, that most of the time, if the penalty is a penalty, the embellishment shouldn't be called. To me, the embellishment needs to be called when it's not a penalty and you're trying to sell it.

I disagree with that. Why? Because, well, are you talking about you can't embellish something that's actually a penalty?

Or are you talking about punishing the embellish? Well, is it a penalty or is it not a penalty? If it It shouldn't matter what the player who had the infractions. If I slash you in the arm and you go, It doesn't matter that you went, It matters that I slash you in the arm.

No, but Adam, here, like, Slash me in the arm. That's embellished. But who cares?

What? Yeah. What? It's embellished. Adam's got a good point in that if it is an infraction, you can't really embellish something that's illegal. Sure you can. The act is already illegal. He's not making it... In this instance, Greg isn't making this any more illegal than it is. He's not making the stick to the nuts any more dangerous.

Yeah, Jeremy Loza should have got the penalty. Yeah.

No, I agree.

Yeah. I agree. I don't understand what he's embellishing because it's a penalty.

They don't want players selling calls.

Why, though? Because it's hilarious.

I don't think he sells it here. No. It's an act that happens.

I agree with you. Okay. I agree. See, now you're making me disagree with you, but I agree with that. I just think you can commit a penalty and embellish on the same play. I do. But they don't want players selling it at all. There are some players who do it really well subtly, but then it comes out in the wash and we make a big deal out of it and we go, Nazem Kadri is really good at this, and Michael Bunting is really good at this, and the refs read about hockey for the first time in six months, and they go, Well, we can't let that stand. And then they never give them a call ever again because it's very easy for them. They go into the game and they go, Right, 43 in blue, 58 in blue, never going to get a call. It's going to end up like that for 18 on the sentence.

The way I'm looking at this is more how the NBA looks at flopping in that they'll be fouls that aren't really fouls, but the guy sells something that's not there. That is what I interpret. That's how I interpret embellishment. But I feel like if somebody slashes you, you should make it known that you got slashed so the ref can see it because the game of hockey is so fast. If you move a little bit more because somebody hit you so that the ref can see it, I don't have a problem with that.

I have two points there. One, to your point about flopping. I think embellishment is embellishment. Embellishment is you're hamming up something that happened. Flopping or diving is when you're fabricating it. I think they should be two different calls. Embellishment, it would be a two-minute minor. Diving, five, and a game. You don't disgrace the sport.

Don't disgrace the sport. Are you? Oh, my God.

Five in a game, get the fuck out. Okay, 10 games, get on.

Go on, everyone.

Go on, everyone. Defend the divers. Defend the divers.

Go on.

No, we need diving in the game.

You think diving is as bad as hitting to the head?

No. Well, I want that to be punished more, too. Okay. If not a five minute, it should be two and a game is gone. Someone serves the two and you're gone. No, Don't dive. Don't dive. And the second point that I wanted to make, as a casual basketball fan, Joel Embiid is one of the most disgraceful athletes on the face of the planet right now. Every highlight I watch of him is more embarrassing than the last.

Well, he also doesn't like to play competitive teams. I think if he sits out six more games this year, he's not eligible for the MVP.

I took Leo skating the other day, and he fell down less.

Yeah.

You're one of the biggest professionals athletes I've ever seen in my entire life. You're a disgrace.

And watch, he'll just destroy in the playoffs.

We should go back to talking about how a guy should get five in a game for diving.

It's great. No, no. You know what? Yes. No, I'm on Jesse's side. We need diving in the game.

No, I think there's a But there's a. And headhits, too. Which is, I think if there's a legitimate penalty on the play, I don't think you need to call an embellishment call.

That's what I'm saying.

If you're trying to sell something that didn't happen, then there's room for an embellishment call.

There's a penalty. Then that's a two because you're diving. I think there should be a call for diving. I don't think embellishment should be a call. What the hell is that?

I think we should call it the Tim Stutzla Memorial. Not Memorial, not in memory of. Tim Stutzel, Honorary Two Minutes.

You can remember someone who's still there.

Yeah, I guess. Can you have a Memorial?

Yeah, give it to her. A Memorial.

Yeah, it sounds dark.

Don't forget the guy. It's an honorary. It's an honorary. Memorial is when someone's dead.

Yeah. The Tim Stutzla Honorary, Two Minutes. That's what they have to call it. T-s-h-t-m.

You got to call diving. Diving.

Yeah. I don't know.

Anyway, I feel that- That's funny. You're hardcore against diving, but selling a call, selling an actual call, you're on par with it.

I'm like, okay, because I understand that you have to make it known to the refs that an infraction occurred. If somebody knocks a stick out of your hands and you drop it and you raise your hand, I don't mind that.

No, you got to serve it to them on a platter because they don't watch. They don't watch.

Honestly.

No, no. Jesse might be.

The refs don't watch. If it's game seven of the first round and there's a pick play and they I ever call pick plays, I'm going to make it known that I got picked. So a ref is like, You know what? I never call pick plays 82 times a year, but this one game, I'm going to call it and take away a goal.

Well, dude, every player does the head flick. If they get the slightest little...

If embellishment is a rule, then call that.

You know what?

Maybe we should just give them less responsibilities.

It's fucking icing. Nobody has ever adhered to the rules of icing. You were supposed to get to center ice before you can dump the punk to the other end, but it's a casual rule.

It's so common place that we don't make a big deal out of it, but icing is the most randomly called thing in the entire sport.

It is. It's a judgment call. Yeah, it is. So question for you. For the icing to be negated, and this is where it always gets so hard to explain hockey to people, you have to beat the opponent to the hash marks.

No, it is who has the better opportunity to get the fuck once you are at the face-off circle. It is not who is ahead. That is very clear of the rule.

You guys are going too far ahead of me because you guys are talking about the race to the fuck.

No, I was talking... Adam brought up the race to the fuck. I was talking about the red line.

What % of the time do they make the red line before humping it?

That's what I'm talking.

Less than half. Yeah. 100%, it's less than that.

That's interesting.

They count it as if your stick goes over the red line, you're in the clear.

Yeah, but you- Which I think is all you got to do is follow through. That's so judgment. You got to follow through over the red line.

In every instance, it's a judgment call.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. They look up from their phone and they didn't see the actual clearing attempt. Okay, the follow through is over the red line. We'll just get back to it. The other guy's got down the ice call.

I don't got to worry about that.

I'm going to send this fire fucking tweet. I'm going to send this fucking tweet.

From my burner. That's a dive. From my burner account. That's a dive. Get a new slant.

That's why I'm in favor for offside rules. If we're so casual about the red line, offsides, if we're doing replays on offsides, it's got to be for only things that are a regis, and they'll take away goals in the playoffs. It should be like, eye in the sky, that's a crazy offside. We'll bring that one back because he's 10 feet off. That's the reason why they put in the rule because of the avalanche. So only those calls should be the ones called back. But if we're talking about millimeters on the ice and skates. If you can't see it in real time, then why are we taking it back? I don't know.

What would you do with the time machine? I'd go back in time and stop Hitler. I'd go back in time and stop that guy from eating a bat. I'd go back in time and stop Matt Dushane from going offside and ruining over half a decade of the sport.

I think if it's those calls, that's what you use replay for. It shouldn't be a challengeable thing. It should be like, Hey, Matt Dushane is 10 feet offside, let's just bring it back here. I'm the sky ref just calls it, not coaches challenge millimeters for offsides. It's a fluid game. We don't talk about that enough. That hockey isn't like... Like football is static. You set up, you have a play, You keep going. Basketball is more fluid in the sense of hockey, too, but there's so much stop and start with basketball as well. Hockey is just fluid the entire way.

So let's ask this. Let's ask this because I've been very unfair to refs this show. Is a referee's job impossible?

Yes, of course.

Yes. So should we take steps with the technology that we have? Let's not go down that road.

Because we live in the future. I've already told you that. I've already said that. We don't need linesmen. We know that. We don't need them.

That wasn't what I was getting at.

Who drops the buck?

The ref. There's two of them.

He can't do that.

Oh, he couldn't possibly.

He didn't go to drop.

He couldn't possibly drop a buck as gently and beautifully, or he couldn't fake other players quickly.

Linesmen are trained to drop pucks.

Yeah, that's right. I can't imagine what we do without them.

But Adam, if they go from four guys down to two, it'll be harder for one of them to hold a player while the other beats the shit out of them.

That's a good point. It'll be harder. I think It's not. It's like in tennis, the little guy sitting on the chair who clearly has- The umpire? Yeah, who's like- The little guy?

What is he little? What's the fuck?

We know he's called an umpire. I know that's his name, but he's a little person sitting on a chair just sitting Adam, he only looks little because he's sitting down.

They're not tall. They're all short.

All of them. No, they're not.

No, they're not tall. Adam, they're not. What you're saying is they could save money on chairs if they just hired someone who's taller.

If they got someone taller. Because here's the thing, when they sit from that angle, when they sit from that angle and they look at... Guys, listen to the fucking-Drew, is this a good show?

I don't know why you're fixated on umpires's height.

Because they're sitting on that chair and they're like this, and they're like, Yeah, I can see the ball 20 feet over there. And the reality was that they couldn't. So what did they do? They put in computers. Adam, I'm sorry. Then the ump calls it, and then the computer goes, Actually, you were wrong. So we're going to go with the computer. Is there a point to that person anymore?

I'm going to tell you, just before we get into a soccer instance, there are lines judges in tennis that make it all the lines. I know that.

I know that. And guess what? If they were so good, did they need to put the computers in, Jesse?

The umpire isn't calling it from up there. Yeah.

And again, I say, if they were so good, why do we need the computers?

Tennis got to the point where they could get it perfect. They have the technology where it's perfect.

And hockey does, too.

It's awesome.

Have you ever noticed that the first point in tennis is always 15 miles an hour, and the second is always 30, and the third is always 45?

Isn't it 40? Isn't it 15, 30, 40?

I don't know who gives a shit. 45, 40. Is it 45? I ruined the bit. Yeah, 40. I ruined the bet.

At least I know that. Anyway, for me, personally, I'm like, Man, this could be This could be so simple. The icing thing is just such a terribly boring call. I understand why they don't make it.

I would love to have the Puck Tracking because they've reached out to us before, the Puck tracking company that has the little... Oh, yeah. We have them on. Remember Steve I couldn't believe that there were eight little dots, six little dots on the Puck that do the tracking for the NHL Edge and all the stuff. Every player wears a little chip in the back of their jersey, and they have all this tracking with cameras and all that stuff. I would love to talk to them, just ask them a simple question, is the technology there to do line judgment calls? If you were able to put a strip inside of the goal line, inside of the blue line, inside of the red line, do you have the technology to do one for one tracking of that line and the pocket? Let's have them on. I'd love to.

Let's just have them on.

I'd love to know. Let's do that.

The Chevrolet Good Deeds Cup is back for its eighth-season, empowering Canadian minor hockey teams to make a meaningful impact on their communities by doing as many good as possible to fill the cup. Jesse, Steve, what are your latest good deeds around the house?

I woke up this morning and there was a water bottle waiting for me to bring it in the car, so I filled up my own water bottle the night before. It was really nice. Wow.

Good for you. Good for you.

That's nice. Jesse? I've been practicing this for years, but when you have a dish, just put it in the dishwasher the same time you have it instead of putting it directly into the sink and then later putting it into the dishwasher. I am now a into the dishwasher person. Are you? So now we don't go from sink to dishwasher. That is my good deed for the health of the household.

Was that requested by your partner?

No, it's something I consciously said out loud so that I can help the situation because I just used to just throw dishes on the counter.

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We got off track. Sauros and Yuzi.

Sarros and Yuzi. Yuzi and Stutzla. Oh, so we're all not perfect today.

I see.

I got to defend Adam.

Why?

I sent that TikTok to my brother-in-law, and he didn't hear your mistake. See? Thank you. Nobody did. So I had to explain the mistake you made.

And now he's really offended. Yes. Now he's really offended.I hope he is.

Yeah. Yeah. Stutzla was tripped by Yuzi Sauros' leg, I can't remember the last time I saw a goalie called for sticking out their leg and tripping a player. And if that was a penalty, then you might as well just throw out every NHL game you've ever played. Because ever since they made it so that you could be a goalie in EA AASHL, the best thing to do is to dive out of your net with a two-pad stack and trip the attacking player. It's the best. Our goalie is so good at it.

So I'm trying to figure out here, UC does need to be in in position, right? I mean, that's in position. Stutzl beats him.

I mean, he's in the blue paint, but his foot is not.

So is that where the penalty is called?

I'm not here to debate what the rule is because obviously, I don't know what it is. But he kicks the buck first, and I feel like that should be allowed.

You know what I mean? Does he?

He definitely kicks the buck first.

Okay.

Yeah. No, he kicks the buck first, and then he gets Stutzla's leg and Stutzla goes down.

I got it. I got it.

I don't know.

I mean, Stutzla going down is not shocking.

No, it's super not.

But I feel like you can make an argument on both sides because from Stutzla's point of view, he's interfered with.

This one where Yussi is making the save. That's the moment of contact with the buck. The goalie for making a save, both of his legs, the toe is outside of the blue area, but his main legs are in the blue.

Which, by the way, if it's an offside or an icing, and your one leg's over the line, you're okay. Oh, yeah. So UC doesn't get that.

This isn't icing at all. That's fair.

That's on-side. He's also not offside. I don't know how the rule is written here, but I'm uncomfortable with that being a tripping call.

I agree with you.

Honestly, I'm of the of the opinion that... Have you seen those old Hoshik things where he skates out and dives over and the player does a flip? I don't think they should be called for that either. What?

The Marion Gabbard?

Yeah, we're saving the point. Oh, come on. No, it's way more entertaining.

We almost killed a guy. That's one of the most surreal clips in the history of hockey.

Steve, don't you get beta on me, all right? I just think here, I don't know what Stutzl is supposed to do. I don't know what Sarros is supposed to do. To me, it just seems like that's hockey.

Well, go back to the precedent from earlier in the game. Take them both.

Embalishment.

No, just take them both. Yeah, Sarros for tripping and Stutzl for your embellishment.

It's weird that a goalie gets called for a penalty while he's making a save. That's an odd thing to have in the rules.

It just feels like...

A save in his crease.

If being out of the blue paint is the only criteria here, then goalies should take several penalties every game.

And he's like, how out of the blue paint is.

You know what? Goalie interference is the thing. We need to make attacking player interference. You're not allowed to touch an attacking player.

But the goalie is the last.

That little push-off-What is it, Drew?thing What does the goalies do?

What is it, Drew?

Was it even called a save, though? To me, that's not a save. He's just shoving his leg out to trip him on purpose.

That's most saves, though. He kicks the put away.

I know, but that's because Stutz was trying to dangle him. I don't think it's a save.

He touches the buck first.

I understand, but You got to sit there and wait.

That's literally the definition of a save.

If he's a defenseman, though, that's a penalty. Even if he hit the buck, it's still a trip.

If he's in the act of shooting it, this would be fine. Yes. But because he's stick handling, it's not.

Yeah, but I would argue that goalies, their position, the equivalent of shooting the buck is kick saves. Every poke check is slashing.

Every poke check is slashing.

I think this is-5 in a game. This is a goalie move. Do we not classify this under a goalie making a pad save?

If that's a stick, though, it's a penalty. Is it not?

No. If it's a save, it's not.

That's the goalie stick with a poke check and he trips him with the poke. It's still a penalty.

Not if he gets the puck.

If he gets the puck first, it's not.

It's still a penalty. They got rid of that rule. Puck first doesn't matter anymore.

Why? Then what the fuck is the point?

I didn't even got rid of So this is what I'm saying. Because I don't know exactly what the rule is-Yeah, let's find out. I don't have an opinion on the rule because obviously, I don't know what it is, but I feel like he should be allowed to do that. He gets the fuck.

That's a poke check with your leg to me. It's as if that's a stick.

And what's wrong with that?

It's a penalty.

Tripped him. I don't think so.

I'm going to bring up the Grubauer one from earlier, and I just want to find the rule.

You know what? He always makes me laugh, by the way. When situations like this arrive, NHL fans, especially ones on Twitter, it doesn't matter what fan base it is, they'll be like... They'll jump to the rule book and be like, You idiots, you didn't know Rule 36.2? What a bunch of fucking Why don't you try being a hockey fan? And I'm like, Yo, yo, yo. Okay, you freaking nerd. It's great that you can quote the rule book offhand or whatever, but you didn't know that either until you looked at it. Stop it. The reps don't even know the rules.

People who cover it and work in it, they probably have a better idea than most of us. But even they got to be like, I've read that somewhere. They're like any student, right? I've read that somewhere. Let me check. Do you think after medical school, doctors are just done reading?

I think that they have to continue to update their knowledge. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Well, and they don't just remember everything. No one does. Yeah.

That's why it's annoying, but Natalie and I have gigantic amounts of books. She has like, rulings from Toronto City Council going back because she's got to look up precedence.

She doesn't just remember that?

Well, exactly.

It's what you have- What a lawyer doesn't just remember everything they were ever taught.

A lot of that you can look up online, but again, got to look it up. Don't act like when you quote Rule 36.1, that you knew it and everybody else should know it, too. Stop it. Unless you have a photographic memory, no, thanks. Sorry.

So early in December, the Seattle cracker were playing the Montreal Canadians. Phillip Grubauer is going out to make a save. He leaves the Blue Paint area. He's well out of the Blue Paint. Mike Matheson comes by, nails him in the head, goes right over. That's called goalie interference.

And he's well out of the net, too.

It's not even close.

Now, Jesse, here's the other problem. The officiating crew is different from night to night and city to city. And also-Player to player. They don't watch the games. And player to player, which is weird because Mike Matheson is a veteran. They I really don't ding veterans with this.

If we take this screen grab, sorry, pull it back up. If we take this screen grab where Grubauer is out of the net, Matheson trips over him, Grubauer is making the save from this angle, this is called a penalty on the attacking player. If we take the screenshot of UC Sarros in Tim Stutzla, that is called a penalty on the goal tender.

I'd say at least one of these calls is wrong, right? Pick one. Yeah. One of them is wrong, and you got to pick which one it is.

Do I not have an equivalent A screenshot here?

I also wonder if Matheson even had a chance to get out of the way. Not really.

I'm on the side of neither is a penalty.

Yeah, I'd be fine with a no call on this. The only thing I would say is that Grubauer is attempting to make a save there or just has made one. He's covering it up right there.

So he can slide all the way to the blue line and touch whoever he wants with impugn. Yeah, no, you're right. Like an EASA gel goalie.

So the fuck goes off his shoulder and up into the glass. Is that what happens?

Yeah. Here's Here's the thing. Again, it goes back to the reps and the Tavares call, which really shouldn't have been a call. The more I see it, the more I'm like, That's really bad. I'd be mad if I was a Jets fan. I hate the precedent. The reaction to the play can't be what caused the penalty. It's got to be the action. It goes back to if I slash Steve, if Steve does 40 cart wheels and then back flips into the stands and starts hitting somebody with a shoe, it doesn't really matter that that all happened afterwards. I still slash Steve. That's it.

How do you implement an I in the sky?

Drew's talking. He's got the FAQs about tripping in hockey.

You guys ready?

Where did you get this from?

I don't know, Drew.

No, you got to provide the link. Where are you getting this information from?

Yeah, no. I don't know if I trust it. I want Rule 37.2..

If it's not the NHL rulebook, I'm not buying it. Yeah. Give me the NHL rulebook on poke checks.

By the way, do people just have the NHL rulebook on their computers?

I don't think it's difficult to access. No, it's online. I'm pretty sure.

I'm sure it is, but do they just... How do you search it?

Here, too. Scouting the refs has it. There you go.

If you Google NHL rulebooks, the first PDF that pops up.

Here, I want to say one final thing on all those. Elliot Friedmann on 32 Thoughts. He was talking about they'll have a video explaining why a suspension is a suspension.

Like internally?

No, no. They release it to the public with that cool graphic where they go high-sticking history or whatever.

The most boring read ever.

I think it's intense. I love it. I always feel educated at the end of it. They should do that for high-profile controversial calls so that we know the rules. Educate your audience, man.

But again, you're missing the point. What? The Their point is to remain in the shadows and keep it as gray as possible so that they don't have to be held to a standard.

Their point is wrong.

Okay, but that's the point they're trying to make, and they're making it well. If you think that's wrong, that's one thing, but you're not in control, and they are, and that's what they're doing.

The point is spend your time and money elsewhere.

Which they know you won't do.Oh, no, you don't like it.Yeah.

They do. Adam, we're sickos.

I know, we do a lot of money.

We're the sicko 1%. Most people don't fucking care. It's a big problem. It's underwashed, culturally irrelevant. The NHL is in crisis. The NHL is in the banging on doors and kiss babies campaign stage of being a sports league. They were voted out of office.

Do you think they know that?

I don't think they have a fucking clue. But they were voted out of office, and now they're trying to get back in. The The NFL is in office. The NBA is in office. Mls just won in a upset. Mlb, despite their best efforts to get kicked out at every opportunity, are still at least more relevant than the NHL. You need to explain your product to the public. Why was the Neilander goal called back? The Tavares one. I would love an explanation on that. I'd love them to be like, You know what? The wrong call was made here, or the right call was made here, or, Here's why we arrived at this call. Here's why Sarros was called for tripping on Stutzela, even if it's written in plain English in the rule book. There was obviously some confusion here. And the Ridley Grigg one. I would love to see that.

Yeah, I agree with you.

Something like the two-minute report that the NBA has, at least sometimes the NBA is willing to admit like, Hey, these fouls occurred in the last two minutes and weren't called or they were called. Something like that would be nice at the NHL.

And they completely ignore the conversation. I know it's Twitter, and you can't go buy everything that's on Twitter, but fans are like, Wait, this Mike Matheson play is comparable to this Tim Stutzla play, what is the difference? Have one of the people on your staff go, Here's the difference. It wouldn't take you, Drew, how long would it take us if they gave us access to those people to make that video? Half a day? We could shoot it in the morning and have it up by dinner? Yeah. How hard is that? How hard is that? Care about your product, care about the league, care about the sport. Try to make some fucking money. How about that? Let me speak in your language. Try to make some fucking money.

Holy shit. Well, okay. To that point, I asked several people today who should know, because we're going to All-Star draft here in a second. What the All-Star draft? Is it going to be a snake draft, like what we do in fantasy football? Or will it be just a straight-ahead draft, like the NHL does at the NHL draft? And nobody could give me an answer.

I've heard from someone involved in the All-Star game that they're not thrilled with the level of preparedness and professionalism with this event.

So they don't know right now, or at least we don't No, they might, but no one's been communicated. With that said and going into this-Let's get into tripping. You want to get into tripping? Yeah.

I have the NHL rule book. Okay. There's also a lot of rules that we just sit here and read the rule book for an hour.

Man, it'd be like going on Twitter.

Wait, you don't know Rule 57.1, 2, and 3?

57.1, tripping. A player shall not place the stick, knee, foot, arm, hand, or elbow in such a manner that causes his opponent to fall or trip.

I've never seen an elbow called a trip, but I would love to see it.

This is the important part of 57.1. Accidental trips, which occur simultaneously with a completed play, will not be penalized. Accidental trips occurring simultaneously with or after a stoppage of play will not be penalized.

So he's poking the puck off of Stutzla's stick, which is allowed.

I would consider a poke check by the goalie a completed play.

What am I missing? What did I miss?

What's the other argument, Drew?

If it doesn't matter if you hit the pocket completely, you tripped him. If you're trying to gain possession, I agree with you, but he's not trying to gain possession. He's strictly trying to disimped him.

That's what a goalie shot was, trying to make a save.

My whole thing with that UCSAR thing is he made the save before the trip occurred. So is that not the play that the goalie is making?

If they counted as a save, I agree with you, but I bet you they didn't even count that as a shot or a save.

I don't know. No, but like, okay, so if I am a defender and I poke the fuck off of your stick, the attacking player, and then you trip over my stick. It's penalty.

No, I would consider that a completed play.

No, because you have I poke it off your stick, it's then on my blade. And then you fall? And then you fall.

Then you have possession, so it's not considered touching the fuck first. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't specify any of that.

I have a ref that says it does.

I don't have a problem with that explanation, but it's not written there.

I don't even know if that's the 2014 rulebook.

This is the 2023 2024 NHL rulebook from NHL. Com. I'm reading the official rulebook. It does not say anything about poke checks or nuance or anything. It just says a completed play.

Did you check Rule 97?

No, Jessie. The Scout and the Refs in Hockey news both have it. If you touch the fuck, it doesn't matter anymore.

I'm reading the rule book.

What about Rule 104.5?

Maybe this is the NHL's fault for not having a proper rule book.

Yeah.

I don't know. Maybe. Definitely. Drew, if you want to bring it up, this is the official rule book of the National Hockey League. It's available online.

It's done.

That's tripping.

Tripping was three parts, and it's done. Can you search by-There's no explanation of the play we just It's on.

Are you able to search by keyword?

Yeah, I can do whatever you want. Well, that's cool. What do you need?

No, I just want to know how to do it. Search a PDF.

What rule, Steve? What rule do you want to look up?

No, let's not. Can we just get to this graph?

I've decided I don't care anymore. Yeah. I cared for the amount of time that I cared.

I hate it now. I'm just upset at how little information there is in the official rule book on tripping. The next things are penalty shot, awarded goal, fines and suspensions. Sorry, that's minor penalty, penalty shot. And yeah, that's it. There's just nothing else on tripping.

Now, what we do have is the All-Star draft, which I am very excited for. Now, the last time we did this, they were like, Oh, no, we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings again, even though everybody liked it. Phil Kessel was drafted last, and it was hilarious, and everybody loved it, and it was funny. And they're like, No, let's not hurt anyone's feelings. So they haven't done it for almost 10 years, and here we are doing it again. There is a lot going into this year's NHL All-Star Game that they are trying out. The reason they're trying it out is because the format has been dead for a really, really long time. Locally, it's always a fun event, but after the skills competition is over, the game is fun, but it's for kids, and it really doesn't well in the viewership scale. Everyone's hung over. Listen, the NBA scores a ton, too. It's usually like 175 to 150. That's what the scores are. They're crazy. No one plays defense.

I mean, that was just a regular season game this past week.

Yes, true. But this year, they do have a chance to get into it because I'm looking at the ages just of the players. 27, 26, 30, 26, 29, 24, 26, 30, 24, 26, 36. That's Crosby, 30. That's Kucharav, 26, 27. These are all guys in the prime of their career. The NHL All-Star Game in the past could be faulted for picking guys that just didn't belong, right? Guys that was like, Yeah, you're a legend. But you know. So at the very least, I think they've got the selection process a little bit better than they used to.

Some of the hangovers for the day of the All-Star Game, I think you'll be able to hear as the players walk.

A hundred %.

You'll be able to hear the heartbeat in their head.

Now, there are four teams that will be drafting. Team Matthews, Team McDavid, Team Hughes, and Team McKinnon. On Team Matthews got Austin Matthews. What a shock. And Morgan Reilly. At Team McDavid, Connor McDavid. What a shock. And Leon Dreisaitil. Team Hughes are the Hughes brothers, Jack and Quinn, and then team McKinnon, Nathan McKinnon and Kael McCart. Great start on all the teams. Great start. Now, we're going to do a mock draft. We're not going to draft the way we think that they'll draft. We're going to draft how we draft it. Hell, yeah. Sorry. Steve Dangle will be team Matthews. That's with Matthews and Reilly. Jesse Blake will do Team McDavid. Connor McDavid, Leon Dreisidal. I will do Team Hughes because I'm a huge Devils fan, and I love the way Quinn Hughes plays defense. And producer Drew obviously gets the avalanche because of course. Worst one. Now, producer Drew said already, he's like, Steve's got the worst team to start. He said, Of the pairs, Matthews-Reilly is the worst of the pairs.

Reilly is better than Makar, and Matthews is better than McKinnon, and I've always said that.

You've always believed it. I've I always believe it. That's when you go viral the most is when you're out there saying, Matthews is better than McKinnon. Always. Always. Clip that. Now, what do we want to do today, guys? Do we want to do a snake draft? Or do we want to do a draft like it's like draft picks?

I'd say snake.

You want to do snake?

I think that makes the most sense.

It's more fun that way.

It's more fair.

Oh, for sure. All right. So, Jesse Blake. Actually, Steve Dangle is the one that's going to kick us off. Now, Steve, you and share a computer. I was like, I don't know all the players. By the way, there are only four defensemen going to the All-Star Game. By the way, there are more goalies going to the All-Star Game than there are defensemen. Three of the defensemen have been assigned. Steve's got Morgan Reilly. I've got Quin Hughes. Producer Drew has Kael McCart. Jesse is the only one without a defenseman. So if he does not draft Rasmus Dalline at some point, Jesse Blake will be defenseless.

Oh, I'm McDavid. I have McDavid and dryside?

It's a pretty sweet team. Oh, shit. So, Steven, which player would you like to select first since it's a snake draft?

Oh, baby.

I hate, by the way, that Jesse is going to be able to draft second with McDavid and Leon drysaddle.

That seems unfair. Yeah, this seems unfair.

I also added that we needed to pick a goalie once every four rounds. We can't have everyone has a last pick goalie.

Why not?

I know. I feel like that's weird to have goalies be the last two picks, everybody.

I feel like it's more fun. I feel like you shouldn't make up rules on the spot. What are you, the NHL?

All Yeah, especially because goalies stuck in the All-Star game.

Okay. With the first overall pick. Okay. Don't work harder, work smarter. The Lefs need to get better. And while everyone is Turks Caicos, Jamaica, and they're having a great old time chilling on their All-Star break, the Leifs are just going to be having a practice, and they're just going to be practicing three on three. So my first pick is going to be William Neeland. Wow. Okay. They're just going to practice.

So, Drew, are you filling that in? Okay. Drew is going to fill that in. We have a sheet. Now, next up is Jesse Blake, team McDavid, Connor McDavid, Leon Dreisid. How does Jesse Blake augment this team?

Oh, Sam Reinhardt is the Panthers representative?

Yes.

He's had a sneaky good season.

On a great He's second in goals.

Sneaky good. I was just looking for Matthew.

That's a joke, everyone. He's got nearly 40 goals.

I was just looking for Matthew.

So unfair to call it Sneaky.

That's all right. If I can't go Matthew K'Chuck, I'm going to go with the one and only former Heart Trophy winner, possibly future Heart Trophy winner, Nikita Kutcher.

It's a good pick. Great pick. It's a good pick. Thank you. Now, for me, since I already have the Hughes, I've got a I got a great defenseman. I got a great centerman. I need a good, strong winger. I need the best winger in the league for my money. I need David freaking Pastorinek. I thought about him. Got to have David Pastorinek. Sorry. 41 games, 25 goals, 32 assists. He's outrageous. Outrageous player. Ready. He's ahead of David, I think. There it is.

He's a very good player.

Drew, you get two pics in a row here because it's a snake draft.

So I get back to back. That's what I was saying. I'm I'm going to go with, first off, Nathan McKinnon's neighbor, Sydney Crosby.

I knew it. That makes sense.

I knew it. Got to go with both. Then to add some speed to the second line, I'm going, Kareel, the Thrill.

How's that hip?

It doesn't matter. It's three on three.

Yeah, you're right.

Okay. All, sir.

That's fair. Drew, I have them here if you want to bring them up. There you go.

Okay. All right. So that goes back to... And now it goes back to me.

Is it Capriza with the Zet?

Oh, yeah. I definitely just typed it in very lopily.

Oh, I thought that was Drew. I thought he was just disrespecting the wild. He hates them.

Now, I want to pick a player that has almost the identical stats as the player I just picked. Only this one's a centerman, and he's going to center my second line. Although any line this guy's on, he should be the first line center.

Who's that?

Of the Vancouver Knucks, Mr. Elias Patterson.

I thought you were going to pick JT Miller for a second.

Now, he has been playing wing because I think JT Miller has been Who cares? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's the All-Star Game. Patterson, baby.

All right. I still like my team the best.

Let me take a look here.

Who's that laughing?

Just laughing. Yeah? At least it's not play-ups, right? Hey, Steve.

Whoa. Why don't we do an entire hour on defensemen that are better than Mekar?

I think we should.

What do you mean an hour? We could fill three days. Yeah, we could do an entire series. How many guys are there in the NHL, Steve? Steve, you would know that. You've done some of this.

Currently, it's something like 800.

So there's about 790 that are better than Makar.

I think we could start with Simone Benwa and work our way down.

I think Keel Makar could play left-handed better than anyone on the leaves could play other properties. The hater.

The hater. I'm Scott Malkinson.

I play left-handed.

Give me Mitch Marner.

Oh, good pick. Give me Mitch Marner.

Why are you booing him?

Because-it's a leaf. Jesse's team isn't my team, so boom. Okay. All right.

I'm still winning.

And also, he took a leaf from me, and I have my team fully.

Yeah, you were trying to complete this part, right?

How dare you?

What are you going to do?

Well, I need to see the list.

Oh, I'm sorry. I need to see the list. Go ahead. That's all right.

Also, I don't know where that laugh came from. That was terrifying.

Like, Adam's team is pretty good. We all have really good teams as all-stars. What am I talking about?

Oh, man.

Now, this is what I want to do. Tom Wilson is available. I wish we could just easily run it through a simulator. That's something EA, I want them to add. Just easily run that through a simulator.

Oliver Bjorkstrand, Boon Jenner. Who do I pick, guys?

I think you go with one goal in his last 20 games, Lindholm.

You could have been talking about Nylander.

Yeah, it's true, actually. Since he signed that contract, you know what?

We need a clock. Yeah.

Yeah, can we do it like a minute?

I'm going to start. Connor Halebuck. Hey.

Okay. You took my goal, you dick.

I took your goal. Wow.

I can't believe you.

I already know who my next book is.

All right. All right. Jesse. Oh, wait. Steve, you do two.

Oh, yes. Steve, back to the draft.

Okay, so wait. Who has the next pick?

Me. Jesse.

Jesse? Cool. I have RasmusDaleen. I don't think Jesse was going to pick a defense.

I wasn't going to pick Daleen. Oh, boom. I like that. I just wanted to have 2D. I want JT Miller.

Damn it. That was my guy. Oh, he can play D.

Penalty killer.

Yeah. Are you making fun of him? No. One of the best penalty killers in the game? There's a sting of Toronto on that. Whoa.

Yeah, it's a Toronto stink there.

And as an honorary Vancouverite, I take offense to that.

You're an honorary Hughes. Sorry. Wait, no. Do you have the Hughes?

No, Adam does.

Oh, Adam does. Well, then never mind.

Adam, we got- What?

Where did this come from? Well, I'm going If I can't have JT Miller, I am taking Brock Besser. Brock Besser is having a great year. I need the goals. He's got 27 of them. I don't know who that is. You don't know who...

Steve doesn't know anything that's west of Toronto.

Adam, you pronounced it.

What should I call him? What would you call him? Brock Besser?

No, it's Brock.

Okay, sorry. Besser. I don't know if I could do it quite on those terms.

You got to do it like Paul Haben.

Producer Drew, you have two picks in a row.

Yes. I'm going to go goal tender here. Give me Thatcher Demko.

Okay. I got made fun of for making that pick at Christmas, but that's okay.

And then I'm going to go the guy who's going to win the Rock or a Shard. Give me Sam Reinhardt.

All right. Fine.

I'm not going to be mad when he wins the Rocket. I'm going to be mad when he signs for seven mil.

Eight and a half.

Eight and a half, maybe.

Head in your own boat, Steven. Head in your own boat. My next pick. This player is spectacular always all the time. I think the only thing that's held him back from being one of the greatest players of a generation is too many injuries. But he's healthy this year. He's playing outrageously well for a team that is overperforming. Philip Foresberg of the Nashville Predator. So underrated. Delicious. Love Philip Foresberg.

So underrated. He's so good. Lozlan is not in the team?

What's that?

What? No, Foresberg is good. That's good. Oh, wow.

It's just good? Yeah. Is it just okay, Steve?

Could be better.

Jesse Blake, your next pick, my friend.

This is an easy one. I thought Adam was going to steal him. I want Kyle Connor.

I like Kyle Connor. You know what? He was going to be my other pick, but I like Forrestberg better.

You call them one of the greatest players of this generation. You should be. You definitely like them a lot.

Forrestberg fucking rules, man. It's the must. Preds fans know.

That's mustache privilege.

Okay. Steven, you've got two in a row.

All right. On the turn.

Adam, I would love to see that.

Oh, you need to see the list. I'm sorry.

First time. All right. I mean, it's between Frank Vetrano and Tom Wilson.

Tom Wilson with 19 points. He's the capital's representative.

I think... No, there's got to be a better player available. There's got to be. I know you want there to be a clock, and I don't care. You know what? This guy, because you guys are like such Toronto people, even Drew, you live in the Greater Toronto area, you don't know how good this player is because of your Toronto bias. And I'm sick of it. I'm sick of your Toronto bias. Give it to me. I want Clayton Keller.

Oh, that's nice. Because he's sick.

Good pick.

Wicked and nasty.

Wicked and nasty. Oh, I get two picks.

Yeah, you do. You're up at the turn. Round number five, everybody.

You know what? The leaves, by design, I have the most leaves. Jesse has Mitch Marner. I have the most leaves. The leaves, by design, hate the sends. So I'm going to pick someone else who does... Give me Alex to bring Kat.

Literally, your team is everybody. Everybody thought it was like, they hate you. They just hate us. Yeah, okay. And Connor Hill. Now, Jesse, you've got some really interesting choices on the board. Still up here, we've got Boon Jenner, we've got Sebastian Aho, Suzuki, Barzal, Trochek, K'Chuck, Knyekny, Wilson, Bertrano, Lindholm. Less exciting. Hurtle, Robert Thomas, Bjorkstran, and some goalies. What do we got?

You love taking shots of Calgary.

I mean, they did have to send somebody. But don't worry, they're keeping everybody because it's going well.

Yeah, and also a lottery team wants one of their top trade chips.

Go ahead.

I'm taking braided Kaczuk. That was going to be mine. Yeah, that's an easy pick. That was going to be mine.

I thought about him, but Dabrinkat was funnier.

Yeah. I wanted Dabrinkat on my team. You stole my pick.

I don't think you made the wrong call, either of you. Adam, you're up. I got to pick this player, and Carolina fans are just Chomping at the bit. How is he still on the board? Sorry, Drew. Sebastian Aho, obviously. Outstanding. You put him anywhere. I want to see him and Petterson just setting each other up all day. It'd be beautiful. It's going to be beautiful. All right. So, yeah, I'm really interested to see if we land on the same last pick as the players because I don't know if they're necessarily going to pick the least performing player or anything.

They might just pick the guy who's going to take it the best.

Yeah, or who brings the lulls. Yeah.

Tom Wilson might go last because we know he can handle it.

Oh, he could be hilarious. Plus, I love that they sent him because he's from Scarborough. I know we're giving him shit, but this is a Toronto All-Star game. It's nice that he's here. Yeah, that's cool.

I didn't even think about that. Or Crosby. Crosby be a funny last pick. That would be a funny last pick. Sorry, loser. I feel like they're going to do... If, hopefully, God willing, these guys have some personality on the stage, they do something fun like that. Crosby goes last.

There's no chance McKinnon doesn't take Crosby if he's there.

Yeah, you're right.

But it'd be nice if McKinnon got the last pick and he got Crosby. That'd be funny. Anyways, Drew, you're up.

I'm going to go with probably the most underrated player on this list. That's Travis Kanechni. He's great.

He's really good.

And a total bastard. I'd rather have Dermot, though.

Then I'm going to stack my goal tenders and give me Jeremy Swayman.

Sneaky. Sneaky Vesna candidate.

Now, there's some talent left on the board at goal tender, but it's the All-Star game, so I don't really care too much. There are two guys I'm going back and forth on. I'm going to say them both. One of them is a personal favorite who I love, who I wish was on the leaves is Vinnie Trochek. I love Vincent Trochek. The other one is a St. Louis Blues player that I really like, too, Robert Thomas. It's difficult to know. I feel like if I'm wanting... Because I'm drafting to win here. I'm drafting to win.

I've met Robert Thomas. Adam. Adam. I know why you picked him.

Why did you pick him?

The dude's got a big dome.

Oh, he's got a... Just even big head.

That dude's got a big head. Really?

Oh, yeah. So against my better judgment, I would and want to take Trochek. I think I got to take Robert Thomas because I think he's going to want to go in there and show off.

It's a smooth pick.

Yeah, I'm thinking I'm taking Thomas. There was a song. Robert Thomas, baby.

Fuck, I'm glad. Man, no one's ever thought of that. That was really good. That was really good.

Is it my turn? It is your turn.

Or is it Drew's? No, it's my turn.

Oh, right. Sorry, Jesse.

Very much my turn. I haven't really taken a look at who I want, so give me a second.

Man, we need a clock. Where's the clock?

Boring. There's a lot of guys off the board. It's getting a little tight. Getting a little thin. Yeah, we're squeezing the numbers here.

Did someone take Takachik?

Takachik?

Who was it who said Takachik?

I'm trying to remember. Was it the guy who plays the parrot in Aladdin in that cameo? Gilbert Godfrey. Gilbert Godfrey.

Yeah, Gilbert Godfrey. Tukacic.

Adam, you were right on the Trochek pick, so I'm going to take him next. I love him. I was going through and I'm like, Yeah, that's the guy left on the- That's the center I want the leaves to get when it's time for Tavares to move to the wing.

I love Vinnie Trochek.

Steve, you're up. You got two picks.

All right, Adam.

No. Give me that. There's some good players still on that board, man.

All right. Well, I don't need a goalie. I guess we get two goalies each. I don't care, though. Nick Suzuki could go with the Lee fan. Boon Jenner could go with the Lee fan. Matt Barzal, no. Tom Wilson could go with the Lee fan. Okay. I'm going to make Two picks because they're funny to me.

Which Lea Fan will you pick? First, you know what?

We need a good locker room. The All-Star game is all about vibes.

You got to pick them. Do it.

Shout out RMB. Tom Wilson. Yeah. Let's go.

Scarborough zone.

Now, what does my team have? We got the best goalie in the league. We got the best goal scorer in the league. We got the best defender in the league, way better than Mekar. We got toughest guy in the league, way tougher than Ryan Reeves. We got grit, goal scoring, defense. We were the only team with two defenders. We got vibes. This team is only lacking one thing. What is it? The truth. Give me Tomish Hurdle of the San Jose Sharks.

I need him to complete the set.

Complete my team.

That's a good pick.

The truth is out there, and it's flying from Northern California to Toronto right now.

Recapping Jesse's team before he draughts, and I'm going to give Jesse a little time here to pick. Sure. Mcdavid, Driesidal, Kucharow, Marner, Miller, Kyle Connor, Katie Kuchuk, and Vinnie Trochek.

And then add on Jake Ottinger to that. That was going to be my pick. Give me the Otter.

All right, fine. If Drew doesn't pick Jorgiev, I'm going to be upset.

I already got two goalies. Well, I'm not picking a guy that below 900 save percentage.

Pick three goalies. Whoa. Pick three. Pick three goalies. Have one play out.

Does anyone not have any goalies?

I think we all got a goalie.

No, I don't have a goalie.

Adam doesn't have a goalie.

Okay, let's screw up. Because I don't care. Matt Barzal.

Matt Barzal. Doesn't Drew get two picks?

Yeah, he does, but I picked before him.

Adam gets to pick Matt Barzal.

The reason I go Matt Barzal is I don't care about goal tending in the All-Star game. Matt Barzal, if he wasn't playing on the Islanders, would be getting 20, 30% more points. You know that. Everybody knows that. That guy is way better than what he's shown.

What does that take from half a decade ago?

Stop it. You know that.

Drew, you got two pics here.

My first one is going to be who me and Steve saw getting Chick-fil-A before our flight home from Vegas, the Red Eye, and that is nick Suzuki.

We did see that.

Did you really? Yeah, we did.

I forgot about that. That's cool. And then my second one will be future Colorado Avalanche, Second Line Elias Lindholm.

Do you think they're going to get him?

I mean, it's going to cost a six-round pick the way he's playing, so probably. Yeah.

He's spending money, eh? Oh, yeah. He's got a lot.

He's deals up. Spending a fortune.

A lot of money.

Him and Tyler Bertuzzi are going to sign for Leagueman next year and win a Cup.

I hate it. In Toronto. I think it's interesting that of all the guys that Calgary talks about saying, Oh, we want to keep this guy. His name never really has it. It's not made the headlines.

No, they just go with whoever is hottest at the time, and they can't talk about him, so they moved on to Tanev. I got it.

I got it. Drew, who's your second pick?

He already did.

Oh, you already made it.

Oh, so it's me again. Yeah, you're up, Adam.

Okay, now I have to pick goaltending because you have to have two, right?

Yes.

So my first pick, even though the numbers don't really support it, I'm picking him because he's Jesse's other favorite goalie, and that's Igor Shoshterkin. Big believer, lover of Igor, 28 years old. Not only a 901 save percentage this year.

Some say Quick has been better.

Jonathan Quick, holding down the fort. It's been great.

That is a surprise. Jonathan Quick, who couldn't draw in the games for Vegas last year very much. Anyway, Jonathan Quick.

Some I don't know why people are too quick to judge. All right.

The Rangers might be in need of a bit of a shake up.

Go ahead, Jesse. What are you doing?

They're a little stale here. I think I'm going to go with Serge Bobrowski. I'm looking at the other goalies on the board. I'm not going to take Yorgiev. I'm going to leave that. Kam Talbot. I want Sergei Bobrovsky.

I like that.

You're off the case, Biberowski.

Yorgiev and Talbot are all-stars, eh?

Mm-hmm. Well, Talbot has been great, though.

Recently?

Not recently, but it's not... The All-Star Game, it's not like who's been good in the two weeks leading into the All-Star Game. No, I know.

It's a little awkward because he was doing great. Yeah. And he has been Steve.

The whole team has been. Steve, I got to send this tier up.

I think we're going to make it the whole way through the draft without Adam remembering to give me his computer. You know what? I actually got a little birdie on my phone telling me this player is extremely hot in trade rumors. They are going to go for a pretty penny. A lot of teams out there want them, and I want them. Frank Vetrano.

Oh, that's a good pick. Is the Birdie telling you that? Birdie's telling me that. Interesting. Okay. Don't you get two picks in a row here?

Yes, he does. I need a goalie.

I need a goalie?

You have to take a goalie.

Well, in that case, you know what? Kam Talbot had a really good start to the season. Oh, I thought he was Pooh. No. Well, he's Pooh compared to this other guy who grew up a Steve Dangle fan, and I think that's really important. Is that true? Give me Alexander Georgiev.

He did not grow up a Steve Dangle fan.

I've told this story before. Have you? So Andre reached out to me one time. Andre Osochenko. Yeah.

Who the hell is Andre?

Andre Osochenko.

I caught myself.

Andre the giant?

Yes. He asked me if I wanted a peanut, and I did. But I said, Can I have more than one?

Okay, so who's Andre?

Andre Ossarchenko. We used to make a THL highlights together, and we had a YouTube series called Joining the Rush, where we talked about the THL and the NHL and everything. And this 15-year-old kid from Bulgaria started a fan page for us on vk. Com, and his name was Alexander Georgiev.

Is it the same one? Wow.

Well, I asked Andre. I was like, Have we ever gotten confirmation of that? Well, I've never met Alexander Georgiev, but maybe I can ask him.

That you should. Someone's got credentials this week with...

There you go.

Maybe I can interview him on the red carpet.

I'm sure there are other...

Oh, they're not doing that? They don't do that?

Oh, yeah. All right. Jesse, you got the next pick.

Oliver Borchrand. Give me them.

I wanted him to be the last pick since he didn't want to really be there in that video.

Oh, yeah. They're like, Oh, you can't go. That video was amazing.

I think the Caribbean is a lot nicer than Toronto at this time of You know what?

They really should always have it in one place.

It's not very patriotic of you, Jesse.

The stars descend on Vegas.

The sun is very good. Adam, you're up.

Kim Talbot. You have to. I have to take him. But also I'm happy to take him. I actually am glad that he's still there. It's probably his last All-Star game. I don't know. He's probably going to... I don't know if he has any kids or whatever, but he's going to want to bring some family and have some fun. I think he's going to show off.

It'll be good. Drew, you have to take Boon Jenner.

The last pick probably went... Do they win a car Tomorrow night? Or tomorrow night? I don't know.

I don't know what that is.

I know Kessel got a car.

Well, there's a million dollars on the board for one of them.

For the skills comp. For the skills. Skills comp. That's not the draft.

Yeah. So? Steve's checked out. Steve, do they get anything for being the last player?

I was channeling my inner ref and I was scrolling to her.

Kessel got the car. If Boon Jenner is the last one picked, is there anything that Boon Jenner would get like Phil Kessel did?

A ticket out of Columbus.

I hope so. I wonder if he's a guy that they would look at moving, if they're going to... The next management group, because he's a really valuable player.

I mean, if they want to be nice to him.

Yeah. 670 or 690 something games.

What's the worst organization to be a part of in the NHL right now? Currently? It's got to be them.

It's got to be 100%.

They stole the mantle from the Blackhacks this year. Yeah.

Who's worse? Everyone's having a bad time.

They are. Get me out Now, let me run you through the teams, okay? Oh, yeah. So Team Matthews, which is Steve Dangle. The best one. You got Matthews, you got Reilly, got Neilander, you got Connor Hellebuck, Rasmus Dauleen, Clayton Keller, Alex D'Brinket. There's a lot of high flying here. Thomas Wilson, Thomas Hurtle, Frank Fertrano, and Alexander Georgiev, a fan of Steve, apparently.

And to be clear, the only reason I picked Hela Buck is Samson, I wasn't available.

Jesse Blake's team, which is Team McDavid, Connor McDavid, Leon Dreisetel, Nikita Kucharow, Mitch Marder. That's a scary Four. Wow. Jt Miller. That's a Scary five. Kyle Connor, braided Kchuck, Vinnie Trochek, Otter, Babrowski, Bjork Strand. Too much playmaking.

No defenseman.

No defenseman.

Passed the pocket.

Oh, no.

How are we going to score? All right, Adam Wild. How are we going to defend?

The Hughes brothers. I'm team Hughes, so I've got Quinn and Jack. Sorry, Luke. You're out. Pasternack, Petterson, Besser, Forzberg, Aho, Rob Thomas. So smooth. Matt Barzal, Igor Shosh-Durkin, and Kim Talbot.

Too many right-handed shots. You think so?

Yeah, you're right. And then producer Drew, Team McKinnon. He's got McKinnon. He's got whatever that guy's name is. Macker? Crosby, Caprizov, Demko, Reinhardt, Knyekny, Swayman, Suzuki, Lindholm, and Jenner. It's pretty good. Now, who do you think? I actually don't know how to even rate this, but who's got the best team?

I don't know.

Jesse's the favorite. Jesse's got to be the favorite. I got him. With the speed?

I got McDavid, dryside, Al Kuchara, Marner.

And Connor.

And Kyle Connor, Katie Kachuk, Vincent Trochek. It got to be the favorite.

Here's the question, though, because it's like, okay, who's going to win on the NHL ice? I think you would absolutely be the favorite. But Who's going to bring it for the All-Star Game? I know McDavid's going to bring it, but how committed.

So Jesse Lowkey made the best pick of the draft, and I wonder if any of you know what it is.

I don't believe I What is it?

There are some players who rise to the occasion, and there are others who rise to the extremely specific occasion. The All-Star Game is going to be in the afternoon in Scotia Bank Arena in a building full of screaming children.

Oh, yeah.

Mitch Marner is going to go off for 10 points.

Oh, you're so right.

This guy. You're so right. This guy knows his leaves.

I sure do. Yeah, damn. Mitch Marner is going to go off for 10 frigging points. Oh, yeah. Good pick. I should have picked him over Willy.

You think?

Obviously.

Just for the All-Star. Yeah, for this game, specifically? Probably.

That, and he's played hockey over the last two weeks.

I want to throw this online and see who's team gets the most votes.

Yeah, we should put together a graphic, and then we'll put it up on Instagram.

You're doing that, Drew? Drew is pointing to himself. Okay, I like that. Now, we have time for questions if we want to. But tomorrow's episode, because unless there's some crazy story that breaks, we're going to do mostly questions tomorrow's episode because we've got two other shows happening this week already. Save it. You want to save it? Sure. Okay. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to leave it there, and then we're coming back tomorrow. Get your questions in. There's many ways to do it. Jesse Blake, how do you do it?

Mainly on our Discord is where I usually take questions. You go to sdpn. Ca, you can join us on Discord. Join our Discord server there. But I will also tweet out a, Hey, send me questions for the SDP in the I'll do that tomorrow morning, and then you can reply and send us questions there on Twitter. Beautiful. So yeah, either one of those is cool. All right. So we're doing them-Send us DMs on Instagram. That's cool. Slide in. That's cool. Send us TikTok replies. Stitch our TikToks with your questions. What else you want? Oh, I actually would like that.

Yeah, that'd be cool. We could run the video.

If you did that, we'd run it. If you start in OnlyFans, and then we have to buy it just to see what questions you want to ask us, definitely do that. We will contribute in that manner. If you start a Netflix series and the doc is about how you watch the Steve Dangle podcast, we'll definitely watch and reply to questions. What else you want?

The TikTok where Adam screwed up the soccer thing.

I don't want to know.

Is it going?

It's starting. It's going. And you know what? Tell you what? Repost.

Now it's going. Okay. Well, I'm dead. Turning off my notification today, Hiding Under A Rock. Let's go. So, yeah, we'll be back tomorrow, and then we don't forget, All-Star Game. We got Thursday, we got Friday. Sorry, we got Friday, Saturday, and then Saturday night. All the tickets available in the description of the use of this video or wherever you get your podcast.

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