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No salary retain.

No salary retain, which is great. Now, I want to say this. There were a lot of moves this deadline, and there were some really big, heavy hitter moves, but not the same as last year. Didn't feel like it had the same zing as last year. Thomas Hurdle, obviously. Big move. Jake Gentle. Right? Late last night, another big move. But ultimately, I'm not sure that this deadline, and I think we were warned about this by CJ, had the same star power that perhaps we wanted.

Same star power. No, but to say it's going to be a quiet trade deadline. It was the opposite of quiet. Yeah, it definitely wasn't quiet. And basically every team in the hunt added, every team rebuilding. Did. I didn't see the Blackhawks do anything, I don't think.

No, they didn't really have much to sell.

No. But basically everyone was in on the action at the time. We're recording this, the Anaheim ducks just tweeted a picture of Frank Vitrano, who we realized after the deadline were like, oh, he wasn't traded, but they don't have to. They could just resign him. And when they tweeted that picture, like, I'm almost positive by the end of the show, they're going to have some sort of announcement.

Wow.

Everyone got in on the action. The jets added. The oilers added. The Canucks added over the course of the last month and a bit the Habs sold. The Leafs were fairly disappointing. We'll talk about that. The Calgary flames were also very busy. It was not a boring deadline. I wish there were bigger names. Kensel move. Man, that's big. Sean Walker was big. Bowen Byram for Casey. Middlestatt was like, completely not talked about, not projected, featured two pretty big names. Byram is shocking.

Yeah. Ryan Johansson has been traded and then sent down. He's now with Lehigh Valley. I guess you're right. You know what? Maybe it's just I'm too close to the picture to see the full paint. Yeah.

Hurdle came out of nowhere.

Oh, yeah. Jeez.

We buried the lead on that one.

I did mention. Yeah.

I got in there. The thing that didn't happen was the names that were kind of not. They were on the trade boards, but we didn't really expect them. If they happen, they'd be like absolute shockers. Like, you had Zegris on some trade boards. You had some of some bigger names out there, and they didn't.

Yep. Yep. Now here's the thing.

Throwing UC soros in. Know those kind of names.

Yeah.

And he wasn't going to move because Nashville went on a heater.

Right.

So here's what I want to ask you guys. Let's start with Vegas. Over the last week. It's Anthony Mantha, it's Noah Hanifin, and it's Tomas Hurdle.

And who did they lose?

That's exactly it. Durham.

Unbelievable. Yeah. He's not on the roster, though. So, like, who gives a the. I don't even remember his name. It started with an m. I think he ended up in Calgary in the Hannifin deal. That's the only guy who's played games for them.

And I think what's interesting, though, is Vegas is Currently, and this is wild to say, because they are the defending Stanley cup champions, they're in the second wild card spot. If any team was going to lose the playoff spot right now, it would be Vegas. However, there's no team really close enough to take it from them, and we do expect that they won't be going two, seven and one every ten games here on out, even though that's what they've been in the last ten. These injections of talent into the lineup, coupled with the fact that guys like Jack Eichel are coming back, their defense is relatively healthy. What do the Vegas Golden Knights look like in the last 20 games of this season?

Guys, they're going to get a bunch of different looks, that's for sure. And I think they're also time is very funny. We were talking about them like they were this unbeatable juggernaut. They've gone on a bit of a dip. They added mantha, but I don't think anyone was like, ooh, they got Anthony Mantha. Now they're freaking loading up. And now today we're looking at them as unbeatable and they're going to repeat and the league is going to investigate them and it's going to be this ridiculous thing. What I think happens over the next couple months, not even a couple of months, a little less than that is they're fine. They're fine. They get some good performances out of some people. They win some games, they lose some games, they make the playoffs. Maybe not in that convincing of a fashion. Game one of the playoffs arrive, everyone starts and they kill everyone. Yeah, I think that's what we can expect from the next little bit.

It's a fascinating thing because we hear from gms all the time. We especially hear this in Toronto. So if you're listening to this show for the very first time, let's say it's the first time you've heard any of our voices. A lot of what we hear in Toronto is, oh, the Leafs just don't have the assets. Oh, the Leafs simply don't have the cap space. The reality is Vegas figures it out. Another team that always figures it out at the deadline and they made minor moves today, but still ones that I think are important, especially considering the Leafs are going to play them, is Boston. There are teams that seem to get it and figure it out. What the Tampa Bay Lightning paid for Matt Dumba, which is essentially a pick swap and taking his.

Way about it. That's what it is. It's a pick swap. Dick all.

It's crazy.

Dick all.

Now this was obviously a buyer's market for, but, and we'll talk about the Leafs in a second. But there were teams that truly benefited from it and obviously Vegas with the hurdle retention and all that stuff is cool. But I do want to talk about some of these Eastern Conference teams because you look at Matt Dunba, you said it when we did our Matt Dunba breakdown video, and by the way, we have a whole bunch of breakdowns in every single train.

Two dozen videos.

Matt Dumba, guys, if he didn't play a game for the Tampa Bay Lightning, gives a damn.

They moved down 60 spots from the fifth round. Who, as someone who gets worked up for a living, it doesn't register in my heart or lungs or brain.

You can't pretend to care.

That's barely an awe. Shucks.

And you could argue that they improved the pick because it happens two years earlier. So they traded the 2025 7th or they got back a 2025 7th and they moved out a 2027 fifth. So, like, if whatever player they drafted is good, they're getting that person two years earlier.

So you're talking about a 7th that's going to be near the beginning of the 7th round and, well, the fifth is a bit of a wild card.

Yeah.

Again, we've already spent. How long have we been on this? For a minute? We've spent 45 seconds. Too much time.

Yeah.

I think it happening two years earlier is pretty significant. It means you did essentially nothing and just got dumb for the salary because Arizona doesn't want to pay anybody money with Vegas.

I hate to use Vegas cliches for them, but they're playing with house money. They've done this before, obviously, when they fleeced absolutely everyone and made it to the Stanley cup final in their first season. They just won the cup. They just won it. And absolutely no one will be like, stop, that's too much. Don't go for everyone. We were talking about this just before we started recording. The Vegas Golden Knights behave like Vegas, the city.

Yeah. You're here for four nights and you better win.

I don't remember who tweeted it, but it's like they treat every day, every game, every trade deadline, every draft, like there's a comet hurtling towards earth that's going to hit next week. They just want to pull out all the stops and win. And we talked about whenever this bottoms out, they're going to be terrible. When the hell's that?

And who cares if you've won cups?

It's not even just acquiring guys, it's their ability to acquire guys and keep them. I think they're going to extend, well, hurdle.

Hurdle's there forever.

They just got a division rival to retain on him for six years and he's a center and he's a center wing. And I think they're going to be able to extend Hannifin.

Oh, yeah.

Because Alec Martinez is going to be up and there's the money right there.

The one that's going to hurt is Jonathan Marchesau makes $5 million and my.

Bet is he goes, he gets Riley Smith elsewhere.

No, he's a UFA, so he won't get any.

But he is the last of the original golden no actually, William Carlson will be.

Oh, that's right.

No, Braden McNabb's there, is he? Yeah. Brayden McNabs.

There's not a lot.

Not a lot. William Carrier, is he an original?

Yeah, he's an expansion from Nashville.

Right. He played in Nashville. Before I forget.

Nashville.

They got a couple guys. They got a couple.

Okay. All right. Maybe it wasn't the. But Marcia, so was a major part of their first run of the cup, right?

Oh, yeah.

And has been a major part ever since. I think what I respect the heck out of with Vegas and one of the things that we heard in Toronto a lot under the Dubas era, which is commendable, but also antithetical to winning in sports, which is, well, we did right by the player. A name that came up in this deadline, which was hilarious, is Alex Barabanoff, a former Leaf who the Leaf signed out of the KHL, who they traded to the Sharks because they couldn't find a spot for the lineup to do right by the player. For who?

Ansi Swamella.

Adam, how didn't you remember, man, what memories we have. Ansi and I, I'm antsy just thinking about them.

And my least favorite one of those was Travis Dermot when they moved him because they could have just kept Travis Dermot as like, an extra defenseman, and they had so many defensemen injuries that they could have just had them and would have been useful.

Yeah, but look at this year's prices. They got a third for Travis Dermot.

Yeah, but it would have been nice to have a defenseman.

I want to throw this out there. I want to throw this out there for people that are paying attention with the Golden Knights, they still have their first round pick this year because they.

Put the conditions in the Calgary trade to where they could keep this one and send Calgary the 2025 one.

So we're all lamenting Vegas and how are they able to do this? And are they going to get investigated? I think we're ignoring there is the funniest situation possible. That is still possible. They missed the playoffs. It's possible.

You think so?

It's unlikely. But imagine they load up like this. I mean, and they don't make it. They might not. They're playing very poorly because of all these injuries. So they're not ha. We're going to catch the league with their pants down. No, like, these guys are hurt. I believe them when they say, these guys are hurt. I will not be in the least bit shocked if Mark Stone's spleen hasn't magically healed itself and regenerated by six weeks from now. It's entirely possible.

Oh, he's coming back.

Game one. He's coming back. But might not be when you think.

Yeah, right.

Well, we got that going on. One of the trades we didn't do a video on but broke later on was VTech. Vanichek is now no longer a New Jersey devil. They acquired Jake Allen. They got him at 50% retained from the Montreal Canadiens for a third rounder. I believe there was a lot of trades today. So if I'm wrong on that, I apologize. Third rounder. And then here's what's crazy. It's also come out that Jake Allen has waived his no trade clause to go there. That was on his list of the teams not to go to. And Tom Fitzgerald was able to get him to waive. And then cappell Kakan and Vtek Vanichek have been swapped for each other, which means New Jersey has moved out their entire goaltending tandem. We have.

To the Sharks.

To the Sharks.

The Mackenzie Blackwood and Vtek Vanichek, who I believe both lost their jobs to Akira Schmidt, are now reunited.

And Akira Schmidt is back in the miners as of today.

That tandem was so bad that the Sharks, who are rebuilding and actively trying to finish last are like, we need both.

Yeah.

And they got. It's. The Sharks are getting rid of everything but the.

It's. And it's going to be a long rebuild for San Jose. Like the fact that they are. First off, I don't know if there's another team other than Los Angeles that is retaining on a player that long. And I don't even think Mike Richards contract counts as a retention against LA.

He was bought out.

He was bought out. But it was a bizarre buyout. And they're paying him until 2031. But for some reason they skirted league rules and no one ever talks crap. Yeah. So here you've got either retaining on Eric Carlson, which is like a million something a year. Right? A million five, I think. And then they are retaining 17% on hurdle, which is about the same. I think he was making 8.1 or something, some weird number. So they were doing like 1.26 or something like that. Still, you kind of look at it and you go, weird numbers. But it doesn't matter if you're San Jose.

We forgot or not forgot. Darren Dreger posted the tweet for the trade. Very confusingly.

Yes. He made it seem like the two thirds that Vegas got were going from Vegas to San Jose.

So what Vegas did. Is they traded, if I'm not mistaken. Correct me if I'm wrong. A first round pick and a guy who they just picked in the first round, or. No, I think I'm.

No, just the guy they picked in the first round.

It's hurdle and a dude who they just picked 32nd overall for two thirds. That's real tidy, man. That's real tidy for.

No, it's a first round pick and David Edsher.

Oh, is that what it. Yeah. Okay. See, the way that the tweet was originally worded, which is hilarious. It's a hilarious story. Darren Drager had.

You don't have to look. I'm literally looking.

Darren Drager had the.

I'm going to look.

Do you want to see?

No.

Darren Drager had the tweet, but what was hilarious about it is it looks like he probably copied and pasted it from a Vegas executive.

He copied and pasted the list of assets, so you weren't really clear. And Thomas Hurdle was at the top.

And the word hour.

And the word hour, which is bad. But then everything below it looked like it was going the other way to Vegas. But it is a first in 2025 from Vegas. Plus, David Edstrom going to San Jose for two thirds and hurdle back to Vegas.

That's crazy.

I'm kidding.

Crazy. It's very interesting. And everything is always about the Leafs. But when you compare, in contrast to Vegas's desperation, you look at how the Leafs are viewed this year, and it's like, well, they're just. I don't know if this team has it, and then they go on a run. You're like, maybe they do, but we don't want to be too desperate this year. We wouldn't want to give up that first round pick. And Vegas, who has absolutely underperformed, especially lately, is like, no, we're not doing this. We're going to go get freaking everybody, and we don't care. And I think that part of it, and I understand that Vegas won a cup before this, but I think that's what makes Vegas so special, is they operate very differently from every front office in this league. And I'm so glad they're here, because before them, there was no chaos. Imagine this deadline. Without Vegas, Hannah Finn is likely still a flame. Hurdle is still likely a San Jose shark, Anthony Mantha, who knows? But you know what I'm talking about. Like, without the Vegas Golden Knights, we don't get this kind of chaos here.

Adam, I want to do an exercise. You and I were both in drama. Together in high school.

Yep.

Okay, so I'm going to be the Vegas Golden Knights and you be the rest of the league. So talk about what your goals are.

Win the what, like who you're looking.

To acquire and stuff like that.

Is there a good player available? A great player available? Whoever the best player available is, I want him and the next best player and probably the next best player after that. Time's up.

Let's do this. Leroy. That's the Vegas Golden Knights. That is them. Deadline.

Other teams form committees. Vegas just acts. It's crazy. And what I mean by that is there seems to be like, well, have we talked about this enough? Have we hummed about this enough? Vegas is like, is that a good player? Cool. He should be a knight. Let's go. Yeah.

One thing that's interesting about how they operate is the belief in the roster players that they had and that if they add to them, they will be successful. It's not that. Hey, we're worried about if we're good enough to add this piece. At this moment with the leaf situation, if they went out and they did a Thomas hurdle deal or something like that, there'd be pushback from people in the media or maybe even people within the organization, like, is this what we need? Are we ready? But with Vegas, there's just a belief that if we just keep adding good players around the players we have, we know we have a good team already, so we're going to be successful. And these other teams, I don't know if they're scared or if there's just a little. You're unsure to make the big move, but there's just a blind belief that we're going to do this, we're going to win, and nobody else really operates that way. And I wish the Leafs had that also.

I think they learned a very valuable lesson in their first year. No half measures. They spent a first, a second, a third, which is fine. You can spend a first to second, a third. What are you getting? You getting a bona fide first line player? Oh, you got. No, no, he's not know. He's Thomas Tatar. So Vegas going forward was like, all right, we're not scared to spend those picks. We're still going to do it. We're just going to make sure it's Leroy Jenkins.

It's Jack Eichel.

It's Jack Eichel. It's Anthony. Well, Anthony Mantha is probably closer to Thomas Tatar, but they didn't give up a king's ransom for him. Thomas Hurdle, Noah Hanifin like they're going out and getting marquee names. I'm probably forgetting some man.

Yeah.

Guys they've acquired in trade include like Aiden Hill was a trade, if you go off the list, Shay Theodore was a trade. Noah Hanifan, who you mentioned, Keegan Kolisar, Chandler Stevenson, Anthony Mantha, Nick Wa, Ivan Barbachev, Jack Eichel. Like, those are all the guys acquired by trade on cap friendly for them. They're not afraid to go out and get guys because they believe in what they're going to acquire is going to lead to a Stanley cup. And it worked once, so why not just keep hammering down on it?

And here we are as Leaf fans, and what do we always talk about when it comes to Barbachev? Would have been nice if they got him last year. Who knows? Maybe they swap places. The Leafs went out and they got Nol Achari, who was good for them. They got Ryan O'Reilly, who was good for them. And the rumor was Barbachev could have been part of that deal, too. And they went, no, too much.

I think there's also this illusion from fans and some executives that you can't just fix your you. If you have Mark Andre flurry on the roster and you're like, okay, we're done with you. We have another goalie, and we want this. You can just move them. If you have a couple contracts that are too big, you can trade Riley Smith immediately after you win the Stanley cup. If you don't want Thomas Tatar anymore, you can get rid of him. You can just fix your mistakes. And people don't act like you can.

You traded me, but I won the Vezna. And they go, well, we got you an extra seat for it on your plane ride to Chicago.

Goodbye.

Appreciate everything you've done.

No fear.

No, there's no fear.

Well, because it comes out of pure think, you know, when really it's sort of like, how do I not take responsibility for this? Well, I'll tell everybody it's too hard. And for a while, people do believe it. But I think what Vegas is showing is, as I tweeted, if he wanted to, he would, as in dating. Same with the trade deadline, same with free agency. If you want to win, if you want to get the guys, I'm not saying Vegas is guaranteed a Stanley cup, but if you want to get the guys that you want to get, it's always possible. You just have to want it. And Vegas wanted it. And when we get Toronto, we're going to have to talk about why they didn't.

Here. What sounds better, your team's owner, after winning a Stanley cup, going on public media and saying, I would spend $135,000,000 to win.

Oh, I thought it was 150,000,000.

Whatever. It was 100 and cabillion to win. Or this. We tried to make some moves to address certain areas, but at the end of the day, a lot of the answers are going to come from the guys that are in the room.

Is this the Brad for living press conference?

All right, let's do the.

I'm not trying to make it about the Leafs. I'm just trying to. There's a chasm between.

We're going to the Leafs.

We're doing. There's a chasm between those ideologies, which is there's no tomorrow. And I don't know. Hey, are you a cool guy, man?

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Can I just stare down the barrel of the camera and fix something?

Sure.

Dewer Connor Doer, not Deware.

I don't know what you guys were doing in that video.

I was being.

Everybody was in the room and nobody said a word.

Okay, Judas, traitor.

I know, Brad, you're living on Connor Dewer, a real defensively responsible center. I don't think you can have too many centers. He's a proficient on the PK, an area we wanted to help ourselves with. He gives us more depth up the middle. He's a competitive player.

Do you think you have too many making 2.5 there, Brad?

Brad truliving on the Leafs defense. It's going to continue to be a work in progress. Excited to get Joel. He's big range of d man. He adds length, physicality, experience. Adding him in Lebushkin. We've added some size and bite, and now we will get to do it by committee. That has been done before. Yeah, I'm saying the Pittsburgh Penguins, their run to the finals those two years, that was a committee defense. Ron Haynesy on the top pair. That's why the lease paid for him. It is, obviously. And then I just want to do one quick thing. Matthew Nyes will be back tomorrow. Brad Trilliving said I would categorize this day as business as usual. And as far as not trading the first round pick, he said, I didn't feel like it was something that made sense for us from the very short term. So it's good to have that asset here. And then, of course, somebody asked about Easton Cowan. He said he's a heck of a player. And there was no thought of moving Easton.

Good.

Easton Cowan might be Kyle Dubis'parting gift to the Leafs. Because had he not traded Rasmus Sandine, we wouldn't have had that pick.

What about Fraser Mitten?

Oh, Fraser Mitten, too.

Why not trade him in the Miraz?

Well, okay, so we do need to talk about that.

Why not move something for anything?

You know what? It almost makes up for Trevor Moore, Zach Hyman, Michael Amadio, Alex Barabanov. I was about to say Ilyan McKayev, but I'm not going to say Ilyan McKayev. Nazim cadre. Like, what else? What else? What am I missing?

What am I missing? Where are you going? Part of gift, my ass.

Where's this one going?

Where it's going is he didn't actually do.

With Brad. I wanted to see the Leafs go hard. This trade deadline. I don't know what deal I think they should have done, but I would have liked them to see get back some sort of bona fide asset. I feel like every year you got a goal scorer scoring 70 goals in a regular season.

54.

You have an unbelievable generational talent. People are upset with people throwing around that term right now.

Generational but he is. It's an unbelievable run.

Austin Matthews is on and I think you owe it. I don't know if you owe it to the squad, but I think your perception of this team should be every year needs to be a Stanley cup. Like this is your window. Who knows when you become the San Jose Sharks, you know where you keep knocking on the door for a decade and you're a really good team and.

Then eventually everybody's old and you don't do it anymore.

Who knows when that comes to pass. And you don't have your cup ring, so you better go out and get one while you can. And to have this return when you have assets to go get more is disappointing for me as a Leaf fan.

You know what makes me mad? When you said try to win a Stanley cup and the amount of people listening to the show who just laughed like I want it to even be imaginable. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I found it interesting that Leaf fans, first off, there's a couple of things that came up in Lee's Twitter over the last few days. The first one was the Colton Pereco.

Stuff, which we'll get to made up.

The second thing, beginning, middle and end.

Of it, isn't it?

Yeah. Colton Pereco. If you were expecting Colton Pereko, at no point, from what we have heard, did the Leafs in St. Louis ever even talk.

It was a made up Twitter thing by Twitter accounts that were just unverified.

They just decided this is what we want and that's fair. The fans should tell you what they want. That's great. But I'm telling you, there is no basis in fact on this. There was never a discussion. The Leafs have not even considered this player.

I heard Adams in line to buy the am.

I am. That's why I actually signed Joey Vato today. It was me. I said, I need a man with a bigger head than me. And look at me. I won. I get it. Billionaire, always thinking, now go out and.

Get James van Reamstein.

What did I want to talk about.

Other than you said number two? There's two things.

There was the Colton Pereco thing. Yeah, it was important. And you took me off.

I bet not.

You guys took me off track.

And you went to the Pareco thing.

Which I wanted to not go to the Pareko. What is it, Maddie?

Because Steve brought up how ridiculous it was to talk about the Leafs with the cup.

Well, so it's not quite that, but you want to say something?

Well, the other one with Edmondson, is it's surreal to me that everyone in 2021 was like, but he stinks and he sucks. And here, look at this chart. The charts. They make sense. They do. I understand it. I understand what they mean. But he stinks and he sucks. And look at this. And then he cross checked his way for over 20 games to the Stanley cup final.

Ben Sharat.

And he did the same thing. Beat the dog shit out of people. And then we get to today and everyone's like, but look, he stinks. He sucks. He can't do it. And it's like, how many times do I have to teach you this lesson, old man?

Yeah. And also, he won the cup with St. Louis.

St. Louis.

And he went to the finals with Montreal. Yes.

It's a good player.

What the hell? Well, good player for what he does. And I think the Leafs didn't have any of that.

Here's the thing.

We've tried. I understand what Brad's doing. We tried. The small defense didn't work out great. Not in our division. Maybe if we'd been in a more finesse division, that would have been great.

Let him get a word out.

No, fuck him.

Here, let me take over. It is my show, after all. The Adam Wilde podcast.

Your turn.

No, it's here.

Here, Adam, hand me some regular season sets. Oh, my God. Hand them to.

Here.

Oh, thanks, Joel Edmonds.

But that's my chart.

I have a model.

I worked for years on that model.

Here, can I get a.

Here, have a look at my model.

Thanks for that.

Oh, Jesse caught it, though. He's going to save it.

Do you have one more? I need one more.

Here's my chart for Lebushkin and how he.

Might catch that one.

All right, now. Yeah. So, by the way, Lebushin doesn't suck. I just was.

Listen, there's validity to it. I'm just saying it doesn't apply in the other.

Adam, listen, there's validity to it. I don't know the other thing that was made.

So, Jesse, I want to get your thoughts on the other thing that is completely made up.

And this is Lee fans, answer.

Maddie. No. Maddie.

Maddie. Maddie.

Break any.

What do you need to say? International Women's Day.

Go ahead, Maddie. I yield.

Go ahead. I'm a feminist.

I yield. The floor. No, I was just playing in on the bit. I just want to cut a.

Never.

Maddie, if you're coming in on the bit, you got to drop some knowledge bomb on us here. I don't have anything. Did you enjoy your first trade deadline? That's what I need to. I did. It was a lot of fun. Honestly. There was pockets of nothing. And then all of a sudden, like, three trades come in, and you're like, oh, my God, I have to record a bunch of. Did you like the candy? 30 minutes.

The candy. Thumbs up, thumbs down.

I'm trying to stay away from that a little bit. But the chocolate pretzels, though. Those are deadly. They're deadly. Yeah. The wings are really good, though. Jesse ordered us pizza and wings.

Yeah. Pizza, wings.

Thanks, Jesse. So here's what I want to say. All right? Can I freaking say this?

The floor is yours. You're a girl, dad. International women's.

Thank you. Thank you. I want to say this. There is something that every fan base does every year.

Buy tickets to games.

Yes.

Cheer.

But beyond that, where you're a hardcore fan and you make an account, and your account says Leafs in it. Yeah. Or your Leafs fan for 2069. Or you're a lightning fan. You're a Montreal Canadiens fan. I'm a Coyotes fan. I base my life on this team.

A woo 150.

Yeah. 100%. Here's what I want to say. We fall in love. We fall in love with our own prospects. We fall in love with our own prospects. Am I talking about Easton Cowan? Absolutely not. That player seems like a legitimate. Holy smokes. We got to have a look at him. He's probably going to play at least nine games next season.

You better have at least 20 minutes blocked off so I can lament Dmitriv Chenikov.

I want to talk about Fraser Mitten.

Okay.

I want to talk about the captain of the world juniors team for Canada.

This year in the Kamloops Blazers.

I want to talk about the guy that was living. Yeah, he's captain of the Kamloops Blazers, living in Tavares's basement. Tavares'kids? Called him for his birthday. Oh, my God. This kid made an impression. And by the way, there's a very good chance that Fraser Minton is at the top of his trade value right now. Right now. And for the rest of his career, this might be the most he's worth. And it's not because Fraser Mitten is a bad hockey player. It's because Fraser Mitten is an awful hockey player. Tops out as a third line center max, in three to four years. And my problem sometimes is people look at that and they go, we cannot let that go. As you saw today, third line centers at trade deadline go for a fourth or a fifth round pick. But hope. Hope is eternal. And I think if the Leafs had done a better job of selling people on a young prospect. They probably could have got a better deal done. If you ask and you look around, you ask people that truly watch these prospects. And I did. That's why I'm coming to you with this.

I didn't get this from my own analysis. I asked the people that do this for a living. And what they told me was, listen, this is a good player. If he makes the show, if he makes the show, he might be a third or a fourth line guy. This is the player that I was looking for them to go get creative and go, okay, we're going to make a big move. It's the first, it's Minton, and we're going and getting a big move done. And I think that they really missed the boat with that because again, he's the captain of T Canada. Oh, that's an easy sell to a general manager, captain of his own team. Oh, that's an easy sell to the general manager. John Tavares has so many good things to say. Oh, what a great, high character guy. This was the time, I think, to sell on Fraser Mitten. And maybe the draft is another time. I don't know. Here I am torpedoing his value on.

Draft is the draft is after another run at the Stanley cup, which is a little too late.

Agreed. And this is the thing. Marner, Matthews, Neelander. We think of them as young forever. They're not. Neelander's 28.

Shut the front door.

Matthews is 26. Still good. Still good. There's plenty of years of prime left. Oh, good. Very good. Okay, might be 70 goals. Good. But my point is, this is the time where you empty that cupboard. People are like, oh, their Cupboard is so empty. Matt Dumba moved for a pick swap. Guys, you're telling me the Leafs wouldn't be better today if they threw a fourth round pick for Matt dumb. It's what it cost to get Dewer.

I wonder if being willing to move off of Fraser Mitten could have gotten you Rasmus Anderson. If being willing to throw in a.

First round pick, if Fraserkov got Tanev.

If you can get, that's something that sets you up now in the future. $4.5 million, 27 year old right handed defenseman. If you're just willing to sell on a really good prospect like that, that's something Calgary looks at and they say, oh, look, we got this thing that's shiny.

That's nice.

We can sell that to our franchise. Is that somebody you want to go after as a big splash to put you in the position to win the Stanley cup.

What do you cure symptoms or an illness?

Well, you ideally cure an illness. You treat symptoms.

I'm not a doctor. This is too difficult for me.

The reason I bring that up is part of the reason the Leafs were a little gun shy. To spend all these assets this year is because of all the assets they spent last year. What was part of the reason that they spent so many damn assets last year?

Because Kyle Dubas was making a power play for the president's job and he was trying to win the Stanley cup. And if he had, he knew he was doing this.

By the way, go with the first one. He's trying to win the cup.

Every year he's trying to win the cup. And the reason he spent is he knew if I'm making this play, which he knew he was going to make, I better win the cup. Otherwise it's not going to work.

They let him go into the trade deadline a desperate man, and I don't lament too many of the moves he made. Jake McCabe. That's a good deal.

No, great.

Loved it. Ryan O'Reilly was.

Ryan O'Reilly.

Yeah.

Nola chari.

Oh, no.

La Charlie. I thought you said they're not all going to be.

Achari McCabe O'Reilly. It was a good little trio.

Good little trio.

Sam Alafradin.

But they let him go in a desperate man. And it's very obvious that the organization and I yelled and screamed about this at the time, was five weeks out from the draft. Completely, utterly standing on the edge of a cliff, pissing into the wind, making it up. Pissing into the wind. And now the new guy comes in and he's like, okay, what do I have in terms of futures? Fuck all. Okay, that's good. And what do I have in terms of cap space? Cap space. Okay, fuck all.

And can I move anybody?

And who's the number one guy? I should trade this?

No, can't move him.

Seismic player. Okay, I have how long until his no move clause kicks out?

Three weeks.

So dick all two guys. How long is the coach signed for, by the way? He's not.

Okay, you got two contracts you got to sign.

Yeah, dude, I don't think he's done a great job, but, boy, he was not set up for success.

So let's throw this at you. Okay, Kelly McCrimmon, who is the general manager of the Vegas Golden Knights, did a press availability five minutes ago. He was asked, why do the Vegas Golden Knights make more big deals than other teams? What do you think his answer was. It was two words.

Big balls.

That would be a good 01:00 a.m.. I.

Right? Cup balls.

We pay.

Oh, we pay. They're willing to pay the price.

They're willing to pay the price. The Leafs were not willing to pay the price. Now, I don't hate what they've done. I don't hate the Edmondson deal. I think Lebushkin has seen early returns, which are good. You got a zippy little mosquito center to take care of the penalty kill. That's great. And listen, I want the Leafs and believe that they can get through Boston in the first round. I do. I do think that they can. I'm just saying that when I look around the league at teams that are doing far worse than the Leafs, the Vegas Golden Knights are one of them. Look what they did about it.

They took action and avoided, like we talked about with Vegas in their first year. Half measures.

Yeah.

We don't want to trade our first round pick. Hey, man, can I borrow another third, a fourth, a prospect, a fifth, and a 6th for two. Pretty much bottom pair D and a fourth line kid you never heard of. I can. Okay, great. Thanks. Oh, also, Laggison's on waivers. He's fucked. Off to the ducks anyway. Have a happy trade deadline.

Now, I know Matt Dumba in certain circles is overrated. In other circles, underrated. I would say Matt Dunba is a good ish defenseman who isn't great at defending and has some real glaring issues in his game.

Who would he have replaced?

But. Who would he have replaced? But, like, just let me throw this at you. Ilya Lebushkin costs more because of the retention Joel Edmondson cost. Edmondson cost more.

Two picks each.

Now, retention has to play a part in that, but I'm just saying, it's still. We have to look at that.

They paid two assets each for Edmondson, Lebushkin and Dewer. Shitload, considering it's a buyer's.

Yeah.

Wasn't. Wasn't really for them.

He overpaid like crazy. Considering what he could have got today, like what he paid to get those deals done, what, four days earlier was an overpay.

I am telling you in a vacuum.

I don't hate any of those moves.

No, I am telling you that the Leafs better get through to the second or the third round this year. And as I said before, and I stand behind this, the Shanna plan is flawed anyway. Every plan is flawed, but it's over.

Say it into the mic. What you said.

I said, what year is oh, but they better.

Better. You knew in years past that there was never going to be a change at the top. This is the first year where I think this president is on shaky ground. I genuinely believe it. I genuinely believe it. I'm feeling it. There are things out there. I'm feeling it. This guy is not secure anymore because the new guy coming in to take over maple Leaf sports and entertainment isn't from the airplane industry. He's from the bell and Rogers industry. He headed up TSN, and then he was like, you know what? I'm going to get the big rights package and bring it to Sportsnet. And he did that. This guy is not about the Leafs not being extremely successful and bold every year. I'm telling you guys this sort of stuff. And I feel bad for Brad for a living because I think he stepped into a storm here and I think that whatever moves he wanted to make, Shani is always a part of these discussions. The invisible hand of Brendan Shanahan is obvious. Go watch the Amazon documentary where he's in the room when Kyle Dubis is making the Nick Filino train.

But can you see why when we hear that, we're like, okay, but that's every year, 100%, because that's how it's been this entire regime. It's something's got to give and it never gives. Even when Babcock's job was on the line, the playoffs before he got fired, eventually, come December or January, do you remember we sat there on locker cleanout.

Day and we're like, that's it. It's over.

This is the year.

And they didn't even do shit.

And CJ comes in here on still one of the best shows we've ever. Oh, yeah, locker cleanup 2019. Well, they won a tight game, five. And I looked him dead in his face with nothing but hatred in my heart, and I was like, are you fucking kidding?

That's their logic.

So, Adam, you can come here with a notarized note from the CEO of Keith Pelley. He can come here and say, if this doesn't happen, these people are fired. And until it happens, I don't think any leaf fan is going to believe it because we've consistently been served the same thing over and over and they're.

Right to not believe it. I understand that. I'm going to keep saying it, though, because I believe it here and I don't believe it for no reason.

Sorry, I'm not sharp.

Oh, no, go ahead.

I'm not sure.

Do your thing.

Are you sure?

Yeah, no, absolutely. I was done.

Sorry. I'm not.

That was perfect.

Timing. Always is. What are you talking about? So we're looking forward. We're looking forward to the end of the season, whenever that is. Could be after they win the cup and we look like silly geese. And that's cool. You can laugh at me at the parade with it going the same way over and over again. I've got some clarity.

Okay?

I've got some clarity and a new way of looking at things. You know what I'm most excited to talk about? Tell me tomorrow night's game.

What is tomorrow night's game? Who are they playing? Steve.

You know what's funny? I don't know.

Wow. You know what? I'll look that up for you right now. Because I don't either.

I'm excited for tomorrow night's game because I'm going to get to watch them.

Do you want an original six matchup against the Montreal Canadiens on a Saturday night?

Let's go. The return of Joel Edmondson. Let's go.

Now. You got to cross check the other team, Joel. Yeah.

And they're all new. You don't even know those guys.

Yeah.

Beat them. Can't. I mean, I can do this. It's my job. But there's time left in the regular season. There's a player who is probably going to score 60 goals in short order. May just get to 70.

There's exciting things happening. I'm just disappointed that that guy didn't get more. No. Matthews deserves more from this.

I agree.

This is a good team. You saw Bertuzzi last night get punched in the face and bloodied. And it was crazy when Bertuzzi gets into a fight and then uppercuts a guy in the NHL in this era.

Dude, I had to do a one taker last night because of how early we had to get up. Tyler Bertuzi grabbed that man politely, asked him to drop his gloves, waited for him to drop his gloves, and then that mother, he cocked back and went Hudoken. And he nailed that guy. He nailed that guy into a contract extension.

He sure did. Witherspoon got a contract extension for a year today.

Bertuzzi beat the wheels off that young man. Oh, my God.

Domi went right at Marshan later in the game.

Are you guys happy that the Leafs got smoked? But they fought, guys.

It's all I wanted.

It was all I wanted. Like, I was complaining for the first period. I was like, please care. And people got mad at me.

Mike Johnson got mad at you? Actually, yes.

He did. And then all his colleagues indirectly agreed. And then the Leafs, like with you, they agreed with me. And then the Leafs showed up for the beginning of the second period like we agree with Steve and started to play. What was crazy, like a team that cared.

What was funny about that is he said it was naive of you to suggest that they don't care. They maybe don't play the, they're not playing the way you want them to. And I was going to respond to him, but I didn't feel like it was fair in that thing because I don't want to start Twitter beefs or whatever. Mike's a brilliant analyst and a nice guy and all those great at what he does, but what I would say is, are you happy with the way they're like? I think that's what bothered me is that it was like, okay, but everybody knows there's leafs. Or Jekyll and Hyde. We've seen this for years, okay?

They care. They care great. When they win, they're happy. When they lose, they're sad. You're telling me they care more than the Bruins? Stop. Let's have an honest conversation. Are you kidding? You kidding?

Now they got the flu. Second half of back to back. Here's what I think about that.

What about Monday?

What about Monday? Exactly. What about the last seven losses in a row to the Bruins?

Yep.

Seems like one team cares. They're matched. Talent. Talent.

I'm a lot less like. I don't think the fighting makes up for the losing.

I agree, but it makes better about it.

It's better than just losing and then going home and going. We turn the other cheek.

I didn't get mad until nyes got hurt. Nais got hurt and they didn't do anything. I was like, are you fucking.

I understand.

Then they did.

I understand, Jesse, I completely agree with you. Not just understand, I agree with you. It doesn't make up, but the leafs of old would be. It was the second half of a back to back. There's a flu and it just didn't go our way tonight. What? The new leafs. It's not the old leafs that have been around forever that are doing this. The new guys are on one year. Contracts are getting in there and going, no, fuck this. Fine, you're going to beat us tonight, but we are not going to sit down on this.

No. Bertuzi went from dude chuckling on the bench to setting up plays, scoring goals, winning fights, blocking shots with his. He's, he's just a dream player. We always talk about how like Leafs fans are actually like they want a blue collar team. Bertuzzi is exactly what this fan base wants. A lot of them, maybe not you, not necessarily. We're all different. There's a lot of leaf fans, but I think a lot of Leaf fans resonate, or this guy resonates with a.

Lot of Leaf fans.

I think good habits will result in good results. So I hope that these habits of trying to fight back and stand up for your teammates and all that stuff, and Bertuzzi going from laughing on the bench to fighting guys on the ice is good. And I hope that they continue to do this stuff. And we also see the results. Because if it's just this where you're just a team that loses but then doesn't allow the other team to also beat the shit out of you and you'll fight back, that's great. But you also need the winning on top of that. And I just hope that they have both eventually. I'm not going to be happy until they fight back and also win the game.

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Sure has.

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Not really, no.

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Dangle. Save 10% at checkout, tying in to last night's game and the trade deadline. I'm pretty surprised Timothy Lilligan still leave.

Yeah.

You were so done with lilligrin on yesterday and you're like, I'm going to wake up Friday afternoon and he's no longer going to be a Toronto maple Leaf.

He laid probably the hardest hit he's ever laid as a leaf before. Getting murdered 10 seconds, maybe less later by the guy who did it and just drowning in front of his own net. Drowning. And you're telling me it's the same conversation we had at the beginning of the season, carbon copy. When everyone's healthy and everyone's arrived and have their equipment. He won't be in this lineup. He will not be. There might be some games where him and Labouche can swap. He won't be in this lineup. Riley Bouch. Benoit McCabe. Brody Edmondson.

It's the yearly tradition of you play the year with Lillegren. He gets in a lot of the games. And then come the playoffs, he's squeezed.

With Justin hall.

He had a good run. But you said this at the beginning of the year and people have subtweeted about it and thrown their charts up about it. Whatever it's okay, of course, because that was what makes this fun. The disagreements are the best part.

I don't take it personally.

I think the question, Steve, is, what did you say at the beginning of the year?

Is he close? Well, I think what I said is, is he closer to a top four defenseman in the NHL or waiver fodder?

And how would you say that's been lately?

Honestly, if you had asked me two weeks ago, I would have said top.

Four because he had played pretty well.

In that, the run before he got.

Injured most of the season, he was closer to waiver fodder. Riley got suspended and he's like, oh, I'm really good now. And boy, turned into a pumpkin. Like, just right back to, you know, he was talking about, like, I believe he said in interviews, I haven't been the same since the injury.

Then you probably should sit for a bit. And maybe he's not fully healthy.

Maybe having to fight through some defensive depth will be good for him. Like, who knows? Maybe he's closer to that top four guy we saw with Brody and that emerges in the playoffs. But right now he is completely drowning in front of his own net, just getting bullied and toyed with, and the boss gets bigger.

Something I've also noticed with him is nothing makes him mad in a bad. So. So listen, I understand people got mad at Jake McCabe last night for the double cross check to the naked face of the two Bruins players. Who? People on Twitter. I was shocked by that. I'm like, no. Who was it?

Did you catch the number on the back?

It was Marshan. And he was fine for it today. You do that every time. You have to go at Marshan. You have to. He's their best player. You have to do that. Well, pastor Nak, but he's an extremely effective player, especially against the Leafs. Then you got guys, you got a guy like Lillegren who will never physically respond, ever. And I just wonder. He's not small. He's not. And we talked about this over the last few years with guys like Justin hall, with guys like Freddie the goat. Big for nothing.

Big for nothing. But do you remember what I said about Freddie the goat?

What did you say?

So there's a salary cap on players. There's no salary cap on executives. There's no salary cap on coaching. And you can also just give people a job and make it up. And I think one of the most valuable hires the Leafs could have made over the last few years that they didn't make is hire someone to follow Freddie Goce around and just fuck with him. Is he wearing a white shirt or white. He. Is he trying on shoes at a store or he's got to put on boots to get legos.

You got to drive somewhere. Airs out of the tires. Yeah, just make him not even airs.

Out of the tire. Like, I'm talking. Not crime. I'm just talking.

No, I just said let the air out. I didn't say stab the tire. I'm there.

I'm saying, like, find out the Chipotle that he goes to all the time and plant an Mlse employee to work behind the counter and fuck up his burrito every single time. Just make the guy mad. There was a fight against the Montreal Canadiens where you were just like, Frederick. Where did that come from? My goodness. And the rest of the time he was just some big dude who walked around with a funny hat.

So is it wrong to have the expectation that every player is going to be that guy?

I don't think that's what we're saying.

Okay. Because I think might not be that guy.

No.

But I think you have to respond.

Success in this league, that guy or the player I just mentioned who's big.

For like you have. If you go the Florida Panthers, you have Kachuk, Nick Cousins and Sam Bennett. So Barkov can exist and do whatever he wants, big for something and can just not get in those scrum. He doesn't have to be physical at all.

Here's the problem for Timothy Lillegren, and this is what it comes back to.

You need to be as skilled as Barkov for that to matter.

Here's the problem with Timothy Lillegren, and this is what it comes back to. If you're going to screw up defensive plays that you should know by now. 24. Right. Then you're going to have to bring something else, too. Right? He is a finesse defenseman. That's what he was drafted for.

He can do some things.

He can really do some things. And you saw that a little bit last night against Boston because after got.

An assist, didn't he?

Yeah. There were some actual plays that he generated and developed, and that's great. My point is I'm looking at Freddie Goche's stats, okay? And we're comparing and contrasting. It's not a direct comparable. Freddie Goche played 178 games in his NHL career so far. He's now playing in the swiss league. How many games did he play with teams other than the Toronto Maple Leafs?

Very few. 20.

Jesse? Just a guess.

30.

Ten. Two with the Coyotes, eight with Jersey. And this is a guy who was in the lineup for 70 games in 1819 and 61 in 1920, he scored.

The first goal of the season.

My point in that is saying if Timothy Lilligrin is not this crazy tough guy, which we don't necessarily need him to be, I do need you to not get rocked in front of your own net. I do need you to drop a little bit of lumber carbon into the back of somebody once in a while and protect the area. Throw them off their game. You don't have to hurt them. You don't have to break your stick. You're not Ben Shirat. You're not Joel Edmondson, but move not.

I'm not even caught up in him getting rocked by Charlie Coyle behind the mean. It's Coyle.

Yeah.

Big, big fella. Hey, I'm coming to the front of.

The net, and he just says, no, you're.

And, yeah, no, you're not. And they go, yes, I am. And he goes, you're right. I don't need that guy.

I need a Gandalf. You shall not pass from Timothy Allegrand.

And you shall pass between my legs because I'm puck watching and also cannot move snow off the driveway. Like, dude, it's brutal.

Timmy's in RFA at the end of this season. He needs a new contract. His qualifying offer is $1.5 million, but I assume they'll negotiate some sort of deal with him. What are you looking at for this offseason with Timmy?

A trade, if they are keeping him, is 1.4 million, which I think he already makes, right?

Yeah, he makes that right now.

Is it 1.25? Is it 1.3? I mean, he's a right shot defenseman in the NHL who can skate and pass.

His budy just got 4.6 in Washington. He's not getting less.

Yeah, I mean, here's what I think. I agree with Steve because I don't think he fits the archetype of what Trill living wants this blue line to be.

He definitely.

I think we know what Trill living wants this blue line to be, and Timothy Oligren just isn't it.

There's two players not in the NHL that were involved in trades over the last 24 hours. One who Brad Treleving acquired and the other who he traded away. One weighed 220 pounds, the other weighed 166. Which one do you think he traded and which one do you think he traded for?

Tell us, Steve.

He traded the little guy. And like, listen, when Dubas came in, he was riding a wave of market inefficiency. Which was. No one was looking at the small guys. They were all ignoring them. Then there was almost like an overcorrection. And every year the playoffs would come around and it'd be like, well, no, size still matters here. And now the pendulum is swinging very aggressively the other way. At very least, it is mean. The proof is in the Stanley cup final. It's in the playoffs. There was the Florida Panthers, who weren't necessarily the biggest team, but complete ax wielding barbarians. And you have the Vegas Golden Knights, who were all over 6ft tall, except.

For one guy who won the consmyth.

Who won the consmythe. It's still very funny.

Good point.

Favorite sets of all time. It matters.

So, Jesse. Yeah. I don't want to do this out of ten. I want to talk about our feelings, because as men, that's what we should talk about.

Okay.

Always do.

When you think about this trade deadline, how do you feel? How does this feel for you from a Leafs fan perspective?

For the Leafs specifically?

Yeah.

I'm disappointed they didn't do something bigger.

So you wanted something bigger? Yeah. Do you have an area that you wish they'd gone bigger in? What's the specific trade?

Fraser Mitten for Rasmus Anderson.

There you go. If that was available, probably wasn't. Steve, how do you feel?

You know, in a vacuum. I don't hate any of the deals. And as a finished product, I do think they improved the team as a playoff product. The real answer is, my heart rate will not increase a beat until the playoffs begin.

Okay. Are you guys excited to just start talking hockey again? No more trades?

I really am.

Yeah.

I really, really am.

Now we got all the teams except for poor Phil.

That sucks.

But now we got all the teams minus Phil Kessel. It's now just like who wins Stanley cup. It's fun.

It's the first.

Best time of the year.

First season since 2007. I want to say that we were out without Phil in the NHL 2000 and non Phil Kessel, game six. I think it's a long time.

He was drafted fifth overall, and as a rookie, I think he missed nine games because he had testicular cancer. That's it. Like, he missed like less than 20 games.

Amazing.

Won the Masterton trophy at the end of his tenure with Boston, shoulder surgery. Comes back in his first game at the Toronto Maple Leafs, gets rocked by Matthias Holland, stays in the game. And it's a good thing he stayed in that game because he would not miss a game until he was healthy. Scratched by Vegas last season.

Crazy in the playoffs. In the playoffs. Yeah. His iron man streak is technically still alive.

No, he has to be under contract.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's alive, right?

Yes, it's alive.

Yeah, that's what I said.

Yeah.

So it's technically still alive. He only missed Playoff games, so.

Okay, in theory, if in three years, Phil Castle announces I'm having a comeback, and I've been doing all sorts of vitamins, and I'm better than ever, he signs a contract, comes back, the iron man street continues.

Yes.

Fooey.

Fooey.

It doesn't cancel out just because he's a UFA.

Okay, here's the rule.

I think, like, no, it's ridiculous, but technically, it still counts.

Here's the rule. No, that's ridiculous. But it's Phil Kessel, so it's cool.

Yeah.

All right.

Long as it's Phil Kessel. Glad we, um. Okay, do you guys have anything specifically that you're feeling passionate about? I just wanted to ask that question because we're closing in on an hour here. We've done a lot of on air today, and I just want to know if you guys are feeling like, I got to talk. I got to get this out sneakily.

Really liked what the flyers have done.

Sold and bought, sold and bought. Eric Johnson's a good one. Yeah.

We were looking at the rumors heading into today, and we're like, I don't get it. Like, okay, don't deviate from the rebuild. But you're in a playoff spot. You can't just sell everything they bought and sold. They sold more than they bought.

Okay, good stuff.

Like what they did. Like some of the smaller ads the Rangers made. I was hoping for more. There underratedly disappointing. The Canucks. They didn't sign Phil. Oh, we might.

They didn't do gensel.

They didn't do gensel. They didn't do Tefoli. Oh, we might swap. Linholm didn't do that.

No.

They didn't do any of the exciting stuff that we thought they might do. I know they did a lot of their work early, like with Zidorov and with Lindholm right now, maybe the lesson that they learned. Yeah. Hey, we were in first place, and then we brought guys into the lineup while we were in first place, and it seemed to sort of screw everything up. So why don't we. Because they're still good players. Why don't we figure out what we got? We still have a few weeks, and then we'll head into the playoffs and hopefully win some games.

For all the talk around the Canucks and everything, they really only did two deals. They did Nikita Zidorov in November is when that trade went down. And Linholm in January, January 31, to.

Be fair, and then tried to trade him.

Well, that's the rumor, but who knows how true that was or what actual negotiations went on there if they took a look at the market. But they did those two moves and they seemed set.

I want to know what the hell that team was who Lena Solmark refused to get traded to. I want to know who the heck that was.

That's an interesting one.

It's because of geography. Here's a geography lesson. There's two countries in the National Hockey League, and pretty sure only one team looking for a goalie.

Yeah, there's one canadian team right now in a playoff spot that needs a goalie, and that's the Edmonton Oilers.

I don't think there's enough.

We need a hunt down which team this could be.

It could be the Kings.

I want to know what you guys think about Stetcher, Dumba and the Coyotes moves. They got next to nothing.

I'm so disappointed for their fans. I'm so disappointed for hockey as a product in were, you know what? Really hard in that organization for a long time. We still are for valid reasons that I do not back down from 1ft 1, try to win games and stop being a disgrace. That was the only feedback that we had for a long time. Try to win games. And please don't insult our intelligence by trying to tell us playing in a college rink is anything but a catastrophe.

Sorry. You're a bully, Steve. Why are you bullying hockey out of Arizona? Why is it your fault?

Yeah, well, the canadian media, you know, Canadians.

The bully canadian media.

Steve, what do you think about Shea Weber making more than the entire Arizona Coyotes decor this season?

Aren't you embarrassed?

Shay Weber and IR this season is getting paid $7.8 million. Their entire decor is paid $6.5 million next season. Currently, for the 24 25 season, the Coyotes have zero defensemen under contract.

Zero.

Zero.

I understand wanting to be flexible. That's not a team, but you're a noodle at that point.

No, you'll be there next year if you fucked up. You'll be there next year if you fucked up. Going to be a lot of July 2, third and fourth signing.

I bet Dursay gets a longer term deal. He's played well there. He has.

You know what? I bet he'll play well somewhere where they're trying to win again.

They have 5 billion in goaltenders, 10 million on defense or something like that. This is with Ltir, right? Is that.

Well, now it's been up 6.5 on defense.

Oh, because dumb is gone. Yeah.

You can't count iR, because on IR is Brian little, Shay Weber. Jakob, these aren't real people.

Yeah, they're not playing. It's a joke.

Sorry. The point I was trying to make is we were like, please try to win hockey games. Stop trying to pretend like playing in a college drink isn't a catastrophe. And the Coyotes came into the season and they went, okay, well, we can work on the first one. We're going to try to win some hockey games. And they go out and they add some guys, and we all went, oh.

And they had a good start.

And they had a good start. And Connor Ingram, like, that's a pretty nice tandem. Clayton Keller is a really underrated player in this league. Sean Dursey is pretty underrated. They put together some nice streaks. They weren't an easy team to play. And then they went on this losing streak and, oh, well, that's going to happen.

They tried.

They tried, like, up. All right, you lost. I was as confident in the team as you were. I thought they were going to be in the playoff picture. They hung around for a while. They lost a bunch of games.

They're. They're done.

Okay. Then this trade deadline comes around and they go, here's some bullshit. Or, no, not here's some bullshit. They go, here are several serviceable NHL players. Here's Troy Stetcher, here's Matt Dumba. Here's who else moved.

There was somebody else.

There was someone else.

Yeah.

Oh, Jason Zucker.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

What did they get for those human beings? Fart. Fart and toot.

Yeah. Total today. Those are the only three players they traded off their roster. They got a fifth, a 6th and.

A fourth, and they save actual, like, the cap is not a concern for them. I don't give a shit what money the Leafs spend, and I don't think anyone cares about what the Dallas Stars or Minnesota Wild or Vegas Golden Knights or Florida Panthers spend in terms of actual dollars. You shouldn't care. As a fan, it's not your money. You should care about how they manage the salary cap, because that affects the team that you cheer for.

Yes.

And therefore affects the product that you watch and your enjoyment of it. So the Coyotes didn't save cap space here. They saved money. And if you're a coyotes fan, I just want to know how that enriches your life today. It doesn't. They're right back where they were a year ago after we showed some optimism.

With a few more bottom line picks. They got like a fourth and a fifth and a 7th and season ticket.

Sales dipped in Winnipeg and the friggin commissioner showed up. The Coyotes are playing in a college rink for the second straight year and they're trying to spread the word that it's a good thing.

And by the way, on that front, they're further behind than they were last year. At least we had the tempe vote to look forward to. Yeah, we don't have that this year. They might be able to put a bid on a piece of land sometime. Like if you're going to play in the arena, at least make it fun for the audience that's going to be there. Like for the 5000 people that are going to show up.

Dude, we cover sports for a living. You don't think it would have been interesting to cover like a magical Cinderella run for the Arizona Coyotes? Oh, where Stanley cup playoff games were being played in an arena of less than 5000 people? That would have been the stuff of Disney movies. And they stink and they're not really trying to recoup assets and they're just saving money. And nobody who's not in Coyote's ownership should give a damn. That's the beginning, middle and end.

They saved $10.3 million in salary cap hit. I wonder how much money that is in terms of actual cash out the door that they had to pay to those three players.

None of it's going into my pocket.

That seems like a lot of the motivation for just getting a fourth, fifth and a 7th to move those guys.

You know what? There's lots of teams out there trying and I'd rather talk about them.

Can I ask about this? Can I ask about this?

We're well past the time you wanted to go, Adam.

I know. I just want to ask one more thing. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. How do you guys feel about the fact that on deadline day, and this is a real short one, these guys have made moves, but on deadline day, the New York Islanders have not made a move in four years. In four years under, they've got, they did bring in Horvat, they did bring in Angval, they did bring in Peugeot in February, but never on deadline day.

Lou Lamarello loves suits, clean shaven faces and his brand, that dude. I mean, a lot of teams make mistakes on this day. Are they a buyer?

They're nothing.

They're not a buyer. They're not a seller. So let's sit on our hands and shave. And that's what they did today. I actually don't hate that. And also, just for meme purposes, Lou Lamarllo makes me laugh, so I enjoy it.

Okay.

Yeah, I think it might be the right thing to do based on, like.

Seinfeld Castle, that would have been better.

Based on the prices you have to pay just because there's pressure on deadline day, even though today the prices were dirt cheap, it's probably the right thing to do based on the past about, hey, let's not overpay for this guy and just wait till the summer when things are a little better.

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